Chapter 4, Part 2: The Cryptid Chat Continues

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Welcome back to episode 5.
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Uh, this is part 2 of On the Same Page,
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a KCPL podcast. I'm Evan and I'm
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Tanya, and today we are joined once again by Kathy
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Mason and Kayla Stamper from the Sissonville Branch
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Library, and we're going to keep talking about things cryptid.
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Uh, we're gonna have a little discussion about maybe some— I brought some,
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um, books, uh, that to talk about that the
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library has that are cryptid related. So the first one, like,
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like we said at the beginning of the last episode, we gave the definition of
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a cryptid. Maybe people want to know more about these cryptid things.
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And so we have a book called The United States of Cryptids:
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A Tour of American Myths and Monsters. And so
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it kind of goes into all sorts of cryptids.
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There are so many cryptids across the United States,
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more than I ever would have thought. Uh,
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cryptid— I mean, there's literally a term, cryptozoology,
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is like the study of cryptids. Like, thinking about it, yeah,
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it's kind of intense. I know what book you're talking about. I've actually checked it
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out before. It's really interesting. But you don't really think about how
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many cryptids there are until you pick up one of the books and you're like,
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what? Like, oh my gosh, there was so much to
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read about what that— some people just think, you know, oh, Mothman or
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Flatwoods Monster, but there's so many other things. Shub-Squatch.
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Yeah, Shub-Squatch. There's the Veggie Man, there's the
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Frogman. Frogman of Loveland. Yes, of Loveland. Fresno Nightcrawler.
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Like, there's so many things. There's so many lore,
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like, you know, and even I'm sure, like,
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you go back and you look at like a lot of like Native American like
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folklore and things like that, like you can see, you know, they may
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not have called those things cryptids, but kind
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of the description and that they're mysterious and they're
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only seen by some, and like, you know, I mean, there's that element,
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um, you know, of cryptids. Now, uh,
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from what I understand with that is they actually believed in
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those things, that they were, you know, real and that was part of their culture.
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But, you know, um, cryptids today are kind
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of like in the middle.
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Like, people like having fun with them, but I don't know how many people actually
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believe they exist. But there are some who do, you know. It's kind of in
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the middle. You can have fun with them either way, you know, whether you just
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like reading about them and just, you know, they're, they're interesting,
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or you truly believe they believe in them, or, you know,
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it's just a fun thing to read about. But either way, I mean, I think
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he is fun to read about whether you believe in them or not, because it's
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just interesting to think of where these stories may have come from.
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I once had a professor in college who was interviewed
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on one of those like, uh, Discovery Channel shows,
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uh, because he apparently, uh, was a Bigfoot
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hunter. I did not know that my college professor, my earth science
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professor, was a, uh, you know, uh, Bigfoot hunter, but, uh, he was.
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So they are— there are people who are devoted to these cryptids as
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well. Fan club can be real hardcore. People get
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really, really into it, which, I mean, I get it. It is very interesting.
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I wonder if there are enough cryptids that each state has one.
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Are there that many? I would say there has to be. Like,
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West Virginia has at least 4. So I did a quick search and
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I found, uh, a map here that somebody created that does
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look like there is a cryptid, at least one for each state.
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So it does look like that that is indeed
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true. There's a cryptid for each state. In my true
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crime club, I did true crime around
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cryptids, and believe it or not, there are
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some cases where, like, people have mentioned
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that it was Bigfoot that did it. People in the community literally believed
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Bigfoot that committed this crime, or this person,
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you know, was found dead and it was Bigfoot. I mean, like, in communities that
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people swore up and down that that was what was going on. There was— there's
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some cases involving cryptids that I discussed
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that I had no idea that true crime and cryptids
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kind of intersected there. But there's a whole documentary on—
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I think it might be Hulu that's about region where all these crimes
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were happening and the people in the community blamed it on Bigfoot.
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So I mean, some people say that Bigfoot, Sasquatch, you know, they call them
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a highly intelligent creature. So yes, I mean, yeah, maybe he
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did commit some of these true crimes. I'm just imagining the crime
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scene with like giant footprints.
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That's, that's a thing. And,
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and a lot of the books that I like saw kind
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of have that going on too. Like, people are disappearing and,
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you know, it's related to a cryptid. It's just
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spooky. And like, horror and cryptids kind of intersect
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in a lot of different ways. But there's been so many new, um, kids books
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too around cryptids, like a lot of chapter books and stuff too. And yes,
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they're, they're, they're so cute. Like, I'm like, I'm gonna check them out for me.
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I mean, I did when I was looking to see what we had in our
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catalog for cryptids, there is a lot, a lot of
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stuff for kids, um, relating to cryptids. And actually,
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somebody in my book club a couple years ago read it even though it was
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a kid's book. They wanted to read it, which is totally fine. I think it's
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called Dear Mothman, and it's about this kid who writes to the Mothman, uh,
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as they're trying to figure out a lot of different things. And like,
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I'm like, this is wholesome and this is cryptids.
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And that's like, you know, a lot of this kids stuff that is,
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is about cryptids, they're very like, we're teaming up with them and we're gonna,
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you know, do this or do that. And like, I don't want to call it
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like the new fantasy, but like, you know, people like kids reading fantasy stories
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like cryptids is a thing that legitimately they really like
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it. There's so many different, you know, cryptid genre crossovers at this point.
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Like you were saying, true crime and horror,
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but then you've got like books that are
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for kids that are wholesome. You've got funny ones, you've got graphic novels. So there's
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such a wide variety. That you could choose from. I'm not sure if it's in
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the library or not. I saw a cryptid joke book.
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I feel like I have 2. So it might be something we have in
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the library, and maybe that's— but yeah, there was a cryptid joke book
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for kids. It's like, you know, I mean, that's definitely a crossover.
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I'm gonna check that out because I love silly jokes.
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So I have another book here that we have, and it is
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in the horror genre. It is called Near the Bone by Christina Henry. It is
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a book about this young woman named Maddie
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who lives on a snowy mountain, and she lives
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with her cruel and controlling partner William, and she must survive
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both a human monster and a mysterious
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deadly creature lurking in the woods. It's,
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you know, got horror, suspense, and there's that element of cryptid,
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like what is this creature in the woods? That's another
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one that I found that we have here at the library. Most of the adult
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ones that I found were cryptid related were that like horror genre
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crossover with cryptids and taking the spooky
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element and going with that. Yeah, that's mostly I think
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what I found in the adult besides the nonfiction
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type books. But, uh, right, there are a lot of cool nonfiction.
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I can't remember, we recently got a new one in, new books,
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but it's an illustrated book of,
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uh, cryptids and it's Just looking through the illustrations that somebody had made
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in those, it was very cool. Absolutely. Another book
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that I have that is also a— this one's in
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the folk horror genre called The Twisted Ones
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by T. Kingfisher. The story follows Mouse, a young
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woman who goes to clean out her grandmother's cluttered
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house in North Carolina and uncovers that
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this, this journal that she finds that details these bizarre
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entities that live in the woods surrounding the home.
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And, uh, she's got to figure out what's going on. So I
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know, uh, T. Kingfisher— a lot of the books
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that, you know, I've heard people read of that author, they've really
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enjoyed them. So I love books that have
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journal entry excerpts in them too. I guess it's not quite like found
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footage, but it gives me a similar feeling.
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I think— okay, so this is— speaking
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of that, there's another, there's another book that, um,
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we have that is this found footage idea.
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So it is called, um, Devolution by
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Max Brooks. Um, now Max Brooks Uh,
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I believe I'm looking to confirm. He— yep, he's the author
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of The Zombie Survival Guide and, uh,
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World War Z. And, uh, he has a book that
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is about like a moth— or not
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Mothman, see, Mothman on the brain— Sasquatch. There's a clan
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of Sasquatch, uh, and it's about this,
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uh, survival of this group, and they find
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a journal from someone who lived there.
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And so they use that journal to piece together what actually
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happened. So it is— it even mentions here the
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structure is the found footage style. It reads like a scientific
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report of, you know, what went on and what
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they found. So it is fiction, but it does read
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like it is a diary entries and like,
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this really happened. That sounds, that sounds like another good
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cryptid story to me. And I loved The Zombie Survival Guide.
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I read that book when it came out, and that's why I loved it,
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because it seemed like this is a true guide. Yeah,
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I remember seeing that one a lot. Like, I've, I've never read it,
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but I mean, I know it is beloved. I mean,
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zombies, when it came out, zombies were really like
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the thing at the time. Um, and so it
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was a big deal. Uh, so those are the, those are the books that
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I have. Now, we— there's one we haven't mentioned that is a book and
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relates to West Virginia, The Mothman Prophecies.
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Yeah, I can't forget that one.
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Uh, you know, and, and Richard Gere, the Mothman movie
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that came from that and kind of really put a spotlight on Mothman.
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I mean, and ChapStick brand ChapStick. And ChapStick
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brand ChapStick, absolutely. Can't forget that either.
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Oh no. Pretty sure at the Point Pleasant Mothman Museum
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they have the ChapStick. They do. Pretty sure the ChapStick
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that he held is in that museum. So the
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museum, I've been there, it's a fun time. Uh, I've never been to the festival
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because That seems like it would be, uh,
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a lot. It's better on Sunday. It's not as crowded on Sunday.
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Okay, it's a good tip. Hey, maybe your guys's CryptidCon next
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year will be as big. Keep growing, you could be the next Mothman Festival
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right there in Sissonville.
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Okay, we might have to call in other staff branches if it
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gets that big. My goodness, that'd be something.
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We know Mothman holds a special place here for us at the Kanawha County
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Library because, I mean, we— Mothman has his very own
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library card that you can get, and it's
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very popular. And I mean, I imagine— I don't know this to be
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true, but I imagine we are the only library that has a Mothman library card.
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I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone else
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does, but I'm not aware of anywhere else that has
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that. This one I've had so many people sign up for library cards and,
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you know, I show them, you know, which was gonna— they get so excited when
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they see the Mothman one. Like, that's the one that gets picked the most.
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Yeah, because it's the most, uh, like unique, and it is like Appalachia,
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like it is, you know, West Virginia. Like, it's very
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specific. So the way that that Mothman's drawn is just so cute.
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Like, it's just like a cute little adorable little Mothman.
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Like the lanyards, gosh, those are adorable. Yes. All the illustrations
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on the lanyards are just— they're so cute. Shout out to Corey. And I
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mean, they've been popular every year, the lanyards.
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I mean, people, people love them. I'm pretty sure that some
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people, like, at this point are on a yearly replacement cycle.
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Like, yeah, they come and update their card and get a new
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one, you know. They're— they, they look really great and they're really fun.
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So I mean, they serve their purpose, that's for certain.
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So do you guys have any like favorite cryptids? Like, I mean,
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like, is Mothman it? Is there another one that you particularly like?
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It's hard not to say Mothman because of the connection
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to our area. Like, you know, I feel like it would
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be wrong to say no to Mothman. Absolutely.
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That's true. Maybe we're all afraid. I like the idea
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of Sheepsquatch. A couple years ago I did a which cryptid are
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you quiz and I got Sheepsquatch. I think I did that too, but Mothman is
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definitely a fan favorite. I love reading about him, I love drawing him.
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Um, uh, I do love the Flatwoods Monster too though,
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because they always— people say it's a girl for a little outfit. It's actually a
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dress with pockets, so every time I see her I'm like, yes,
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she's wearing your dress with pockets, girl. I've seen some great
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cosplays of the Flatwoods Monster. You can make it so
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cute. I love people— I, I love creepy like cryptids too, but I love when
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people good cute ones, right? My favorite one to say is chupacabra.
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That's just fun to say. It's true.
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I would say outside of Mothman, I think I'd say the one that I like
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the most is probably the Loch Ness Monster,
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the nickname Nessie. And like, you know, there's another element
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that that one's turned into a cute factor, just like the same way we've got
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our cute Mothman drawing. Like, Nessie has become this,
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you know, like adorable little lake thing,
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like monster. And I would say that Nessie is probably my,
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uh, favorite outside of the Mothman. Like, we don't want to shade the Mothman.
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Do not throw shade at the Mothman because he'll throw it
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right back, and we don't even know what that looks like. We don't want it.
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Also, I'm pretty sure he works out.
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We've all seen the statue. We've all
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seen the statue. But where does he exercise? Where does the Mothman exercise?
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That's the question. Where? Planet Fitness.
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Holler Boot Camp. Isn't that
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a thing that people say like on West Virginia Day? Like, did you
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leave out your pepperoni roll and Mountain Dew for the Mothman? That's actually—
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if you come here and take a photo up by Mothman,
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he's actually holding pepperoni rolls and Mountain Dew. So, okay. And a book. Yeah.
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Oh, what does it say? The book says The Very Hungry Mothman.
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There we go. Very Hungry Mothman. Hey, that, that, that could
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be a cute book. So since we've been talking about the Mothman,
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I'm gonna go into the next segment
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that we have done before, but this one is a cryptid
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twist on it. And that is History Does Not Have to Be a Mystery.
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A little bit about the Mothman and the
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history behind the Mothman, because there is a highly
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debated topic. If you did not know this. I didn't
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know as how much it was debated, but it is very
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much so. What is the true first sighting of the Mothman?
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You know, everybody knows about the, the Silver Bridge,
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and then about a year before that, the one where in the TNT
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area the couple saw the Mothman and,
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and chased supposedly 100 miles an hour. The Mothman chased
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them. But there is one sighting that is kind
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of not as well known that occurred a few days before
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that car, and that actually occurred in Kanawha
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County. It occurred in Kanawha County. So supposedly in
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1966, there was a group of gravediggers who were at work
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in Clendenin, and they noticed a giant creature soaring between
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the trees overhead, the size of a man with abnormally large wings.
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They were out there doing their job as gravediggers and they saw
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this thing out in the— it's in, um, I believe
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it's the Koons Cemetery in Clendenin,
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was supposedly the first sighting of the Mothman,
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uh, that can be recorded.
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And I did not know this,
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uh, I did not know this until we had We
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had a lady come in and do a presentation, and during
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that presentation she was talking about it. And so I
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had no idea that the Mothman was
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seen in Kanawha County before Point Pleasant. Did they
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have any— so I know because I've used the newspaper archive
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actually on the library website to look up articles and
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things about the Mothman before. And they would interview the
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people. Did she have any, like,
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direct quotes from them or anything that they said?
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So I did a quick search on the newspaper archive
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to, like, try to— like, on our website to try to see if I could
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find it, but I may not have had the right, like,
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keywords or the right search terms to narrow that
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down because, you know, the Mothman
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wasn't the Mothman in 1966. So, uh,
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you know, try— I wasn't able to find it. What I did
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find, however, is on the Tamarack's
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website, they had like a series of articles
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they did called West Virginia Wonders. And so
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Mothman was one of the West Virginia Wonders, and in that,
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uh, they covered the whole, um, cemetery and the gravediggers and
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that happening a few days before. So I'm
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not saying that there's not quotes out there and that they don't exist,
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but in my research that
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I did this morning, I was not able to find out about that.
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So I just had heard it from someone else,
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an author, and so it's like, hmm.
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And I was able to find it on the Tamarack. They mentioned it too,
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so— oh, that's okay, because I could imagine that
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if you saw that at nighttime in a cemetery,
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like, yeah, I'd be kind of scared. Yeah,
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I would probably tell everyone I saw that. I mean,
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same, in all honesty. I'd be like, hey, look what I saw.
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I feel like I don't care if you think I'm crazy, but only to friends.
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Only to friends, for sure. Strangers, I,
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I'll hide. Yeah, but see, right now, like, if you
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were to do that, you'd go viral online. Like, if you told the
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story, like, listen, I— what I saw, this thing, and like, you know,
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um, so like you could turn that into like you're a mini celebrity. You found
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this new cryptid or this new creature. Like,
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nowadays, why wouldn't you tell everybody? Protect the cryptid.
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You could start a new cryptid and get selling t-shirts and
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merchandise. I mean, you could You could make bank doing that, I guess.
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Oh man, I actually
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looked at one point to see if Mothman was, uh,
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trademarked, and he is not, FYI, if you were curious. Yeah,
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they belong to all of us.
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Exactly, exactly. And maybe that's why the
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libraries and cryptids go so well together, because cryptids are for everyone
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and libraries are for everyone, so You know,
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maybe that's how we go hand in hand there. And, uh,
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you know, I gotta try to connect those 2 things, uh, 2 things there together.
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So, all right, well, that's our history
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section. Um, because I mean, I know a lot of the Mothman stuff
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people already know, the main, you know, the Silver Bridge and the other sightings.
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But this one little element that perhaps Kanawha County was
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the first place is, is, I think, kind of cool.
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I mean, I know Point Pleasant will always be the home of the
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Mothman. Maybe he didn't find his home until he stopped
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in Kanawha County on his way to Point Pleasant. He was on a journey.
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All right, well, I will say thank you both for joining us today.
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It's been fun talking about all things cryptid. Yeah, absolutely.
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I agree. Yeah, thank you guys for having us.
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Always down to talk cryptids. I'm so excited. Y'all are so creative.
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I know this CryptidCon is going to be so much fun, so can't wait.
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Can't wait for it. And so, uh,
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just before we, before we sign off, I do want to give a little bit
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of a teaser, if you will, for our next episode
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in October. Uh, for our next episode in October,
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we're actually going to have an author on with us who
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will be at the book festival And we're going
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to talk about what she does and a little bit about,
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you know, the book festival, and it should be a good episode.
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