Physics is Dead | feat. Eric Weinstein

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Keep questions what is the observer?
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What is the observer?
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Well, that's the thing. I mean, one of the old
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jokes is you know who's the observer? Is it your father?
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Was his father the observer? Is it passed down to it?
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It's a weird way in which you're talking technically, technically, technically,
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and then you say this thing, and it's like then
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the observer makes an observation and a measurement. Thinking how
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did a human get.
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Into that story.
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I am very excited because you know, we were talking.
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We've been good friends for a long time, and this
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guy who has this YouTube channel, uh said, Eric Weinstein
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is groundbreaking with his theory of everything. And I know
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you've been working on this quietly, we've talked about it,
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but this is kind of your first the first time
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you've been public publicly acknowledged. And before we get into anything,
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I will say that you're the physics community. I don't
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know about the math community, but the physics community is
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high school politics. I mean the amount of sort of
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like well, I mean, his theories you know, got holes
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in it. I mean I wouldn't really take it seriously.
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There's there's just so much back and forth and there's
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so much disagreement.
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There is there isn't no no, okay, no.
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I mean, it's in fact very interesting that very often
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what you get is you get a small number of
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views that get amplified, right, And so you know, it's
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a little bit the same thing with like what journalists do,
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is that a journalist will frame a story and then
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you'll watch the entire world see that thing through that frame, right.
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Or you know, if I if I were to tell you,
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I don't know, like a tell in somebody's speech, and
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I said, you know, every time he says uh twice,
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he's thinking about that guy he killed in the parking lot,
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and then suddenly the guy says uh uh and everybody
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has you know, he's doing it again. People are really
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bored and they're not actually dialed in and plugged in.
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So one of the things that I find fascinating is
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that the physics community has to figure out why it's
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not listening to anything other than in deepest research, quantum
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gravity research, and in particular one theory of quantum gravity
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above all, which has had forty years to ship a
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product and cannot and that's something called m theory or
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string theory, and The big sin in physics is that
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you've got a theory that has no rightful claim on
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being the only game in town, protected by this massive,
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sort of inexplicable support from I don't know, traditional media
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and from universities that write these press releases that any
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one of us would be embarrassed if our research, you know,
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were described that way. So you find somebody just done
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research and string theory and you bring up the press
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release that's lot you know, lauding it, and that person says, hey,
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it's the university. I can't stop them. They have to
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hype it. So there's a very weird situation in which
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that I don't even think we're having a physics conversation.
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I think that physics at its deepest level is almost dead.
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Really yeah, but so so string theory has nothing to.
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Show for itself. I wouldn't say that at all.
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Okay, but but you're saying that they were they were
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the ball hogs.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that.
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And anybody who had an alternative theory was kind of
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like side eyed and pushed out of the game.
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Let's imagine that you had one team in the NBA, Okay,
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that was different and it was called the referees, and
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the referees dressed in vertical black and white stripes and
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carried whistles around their necks, and they were the only
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people allowed to adjudicate their own games. Yeah, that's sort
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of the situation with string theories is that the appearance
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of a new team, a new kind of doing physics
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called the referees, and if you play them, you have
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to deal with their refereeing of your game against.
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Them, because they will attack you.
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What they they got control of sort of refereeing who's
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up and who's down.
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But how do they do that?
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So, so Mitya Kaku or any of these string theorists,
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they get the bulk of the grants. What is it
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that they're doing to keep other theories at well?
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We're not having a discussion about physics. We're having a
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discussion about sociology. We're having a discussion with them at
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the center. So your first point is that this guy,
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Kurt John Mungle released a three hour I don't know
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what you call it, there's no precedent for it, documentary
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on my theory. And immediately we're talking about, well, what
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does the community say about it? The community is back
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and forth. No, it really isn't more or less the
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community has ignored it for forty years, and we're talking
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about it from the point of view, why is that?
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And it's a human thing. So instead of talking about
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the cool stuff that we should be talking about, which
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is what does the theory say that that's insane and
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why do you think it's true? And what do you
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think the support for it is, we're having a discussion
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about the sociology of peer review and refereeing and how
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fields get captured by dominant groups who can't produce. And
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so I'm just saying that whatever it is that they do,
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they've made everything about them. So I'm happy to come
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back to that because I think it's super interesting. But
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if you don't mind, did you see this video? What
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do you what do you make of it?
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I wanted to let you I don't make anything of
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it because I don't know enough. I guess what I
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would ask, is this about that video? What was it
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that he saw in that video that caused him to
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make that video? What was it about? Because I know
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you had met him, but what was the Because you've
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explained your theory of everything to me in Layman's terms
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over dinner a couple of times, but never without alcohol
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never without alcoholics, good red and white wines, and might
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I had some excellent food, whether it's be a Ventato
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or scopa. But can you can you tell me? Did
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he tell you what that Eureka moment was for him?
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Where he went this is I haven't heard this before.
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Oh this was crazy. He rings me up or sends
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me what's that message something, and he says, hey, if
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you have a little bit of time, there's something I
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really want to show you. So we get on a
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zoom call and he takes control of my screen and
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then he starts showing me his understanding of my theory.
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And it's been very strange because for forty years, more
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or less I've been inside my own head, and I
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have the opportunity to sort of break out little bits
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of the theory, but more or less nobody has an
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attention span. Imagine you're trying to tell somebody about the
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ring cycle, right, and they're.
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Pretty good at it. You do teach me some things, nobody.
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Just so you guys know, Eric will come to dinner
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and I'll have like somebody who's excited to meet him,
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and then he'll just come to dinner.
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And if he walks through that door with his head
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hung low. We're gonna have to there's gonna be a
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there's gonna be about a half hour where we've got
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to talk to Eric about what kind of problem he's
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dealing with in his head.
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And it's usually something.
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Like monumental, like the end of the world is coming
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and he's got to figure out a way to help.
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Us out of the Usually I just can't find parking,
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so just keep going.
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I'm sorry.
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I just had to breaface that because this is the
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first time I've seen you not that way. This is
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really a big deal, because you know, you and me
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and Joe Rogan around a thread and you were like,
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you know, hey, this is kind of for the first time,
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I was really happy.
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This is the thing, like, what the hell's what the
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hell's wrong with everybody? It's funny. Imagine working on one
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thing for four decades and not being able to get
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people to sort of grasp what it is that you're proposing.
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It's you know, I don't think there's a parallel in
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most lives, and I believe it's totally consequential. I think
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when Elon Musk talks about going to Mars, he doesn't
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really want to go to Mars. Nobody's smart wants to
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go to the Moon or Mars as a humanity diversifying thing.
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I think he thinks that that's motivating to engineers. What
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he really wants to do is to go interstellar. And
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that's why he says ad Astra. And it's confusing because
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no chemical rocket company is going to get humans interstellar.
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What is the difference?
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So if the nearest star is four light years away
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and you go the fastest humans have ever gone, I
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think it takes you one hundred thousand years to get there,
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and recorded history is pretty brief, so you know, no
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chance you're going to do it on a generationship. And
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then you find out there's no there's no nothing to
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do with the first star. Yeah, everything is very far away,
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and you know, my take on this is that this
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is hugely consequential. We don't recognize that everything is decided
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ultimately by the final layer, which is some version of
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math or physics. So my feeling, and this is the
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reason that there's a heaviness about me. It's not that
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I enjoy talking about depressing stuff. As you know, we
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like talking about wine and music and dance and art,
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and all sorts of things. If we don't get out
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of here and diversify onto many planets, I don't see
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long term survival of our species. And that means everything
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you love about this place, from Mangoes to Mozart, is
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under the control of a tiny number of human beings
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who should not have nuclear and biological weapons. So I
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was just over the moon that somebody, finally, you know,
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put in this kind of work. It's not like I
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agree with everything that he said, but it's clear that
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he understands a great deal of what it is that
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I'm saying more than anyone else's.
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That's amazing. And he's a physicist or is he he's
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a layman physicist.
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I think he's clearly got some technical background. Yeah, what's
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his name, Kurt Jaimungle And in his channel is yeah,
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theories of everything. And the genesis of this is that
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he and I wound up at this conference called ARC
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that Jordan Peterson I think asked me to come to
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and I wasn't speaking, so I was spending time just
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talking to people, and Kurt was there and we were
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sitting in the lobby and he says, what's going on? Man,
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I never really understood your theory, And I said, well,
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you know, in part we've stopped asking the really big
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questions in physics. Everything has become a question about do
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you have a renormalizable theory of gravity, which is not
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the main issue in physics at all. And I said,
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generations of particles? Why is there three copies of matter?
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you knows it's left from its right, when the other
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forces don't. Why are there sixteen particles in a generation?
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the old problems that before nineteen eighty four everybody viewed
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as the problems in physics, And then, mysteriously in the
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mid nineteen eighties on one individual completely reoriented the field
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and ed written, yeah, and everybody who came up afterwards
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it's sort of unaware that, like physics changed care it's
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just a discreete you remember when like in Bewitched, Darren
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no comment that something changed this, right I remember that, yes, right,
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it's very disturbing. Yes, yes, to see here.
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whole field changed character and became incapable.
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But string theory never spoke to you? Did? Did? Did? Did?
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to do you have a rudimentary or a pretty intermediate
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understanding of strength theory or when.
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It came out? It's a funny, funny, bizarre story, which
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to math to avoid this thing, and I did not know.
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change in my major between my freshmen and I think
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in my sophomore year, but it's as a response to
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something that hadn't happened yet. So I have a time
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inconsistency problem in my wordin story because the great breakthrough
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and string theory happens in nineteen eighty four, called the
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Green Schwartz anomaly, cancelation, and ed Witten gets very involved
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in this. Immediately afterwards, it gives a talk at Pen,
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about to collapse, like leaving Afghanistan to the Afghan Army
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and the Taliban is just instantly overruns.
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Everything, and in the sense that this is the new
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blood and everything you've learned up till there is a
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lie or not true.
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Just he gave one lecture at Penn that was so
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completely bewildering and brilliant and so confident, where he just
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told us everything that you've ever worried about here it
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is in string theory. It's in this line, it's in
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this term, et cetera, et cetera.
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wrote an equation down, and that was ed Witten's explanation.
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Of the universe.
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That may have been the string action. But the problem
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was that this happens later than I changed my major.
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guy named Peter White called not Even Wrong. I'm on
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the toilet, and I've never really told the story about
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changing my major in response to ed Witten, because it's
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time inconsistent sort of reveals that I'm not telling the truth.
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And I see in the book it says Witten's first
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lecture in string theory actually was before the Green Schwartz
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cancelation and was delivered at a Grand Unification workshop. I said, Oh,
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my God, tell me that this didn't happen in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
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at the University of Pennsylvania, at a conference I was
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organized by Paul Steinhardt. And I thought, oh my god.
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I accidentally, as a seventeen year old kid, was in
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the audience of Ed Winton's first string theory lecture before
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the flood, just totally by accident, and I see this thing.
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I was able to follow the fact that he paralyzed
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the entire auditorium one individual made everyone, all physicists probably
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everyone was terrified of this human being. Nobody had seen
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something give a lecture like this. This was not human
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jeezuz right. And so you've got the six foot four.
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Awkwards, well, right, just a brilliant guy, but he talks.
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About I appreciate your attempts to understand the theory of
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the universe, but I find you're intell like he's hunting.
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He's the kind of guy who laughs behind his fingers.
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He's like and he grow man.
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It's like, well, look, I don't want to make fun
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of the affectations because he's but he's been very aggressive.
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And the thing that he's really aggressive about that I
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can't stand and won't stand for is that he says
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that there are no other theories. He says that, oh
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absolutely wow, Like you can check out a podcast called
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the Universe Speaks in.
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He is Einstein. That's my little joke to the layment,
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because Einstein was very cocky. But keep going. What sound was?
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He was kind of arrogant. I said, if flight doesn't bend,
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God's wrong, something like that.
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I remember, Sorry, I don't have alcohol.
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I can't believe you're not writing the stuff I'm saying down. Yeah, yeah,
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I dig.
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A So yeah. Witten was on this podcast called the
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Universe Speaks in Numbers, and he's asked, well, were you
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ever tempted to buy other approaches? He says, I don't
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even know what you mean by other approaches. So the
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host is sort of flummixed and throws some things out.
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He says, those aren't other approaches, those are only words.
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There's just string theory. Everything else is just words, just
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like thinking, maybe you got sick the first day they
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taughtmedi remedial scientific ethics. You can't do that. As a
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leader of a field, you're not allowed to declare victory like.
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That, especially when there's nothing to show for it.
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again here we are talking about strings, and it'll keep happening, right,
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And whether it's you or me, it doesn't matter. It
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was woven into the story. So another in order to
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get back to actual physics, we have to unweave the
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story of Edwin.
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And this is what Paul was saying about your theory
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of everything, Mungle.
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I'm sorry, yeah, well, I think what he said at
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the end was well, I mean, he said something that
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would be embarrassing for me to say, but I could
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play it for you to give you an idea of
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what is assessment. Let me just say that this is
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more or less Kurt's assessment after having put in two
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hundred and fifty hours into a three hour documentary.
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And by the way, just so you guys know, we're
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going to break down in Layman's terms, Eric Weinstein's theory
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of everything. But we're just this is just the appetizers. Okay,
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just the appetizers before the main course. Roll tape. Let's
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watch this.
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Thank you to Eric Weinstein. It's an avant garde and
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creative theory. Kurt here several months later. This has been
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so long in the making. G you have no idea anyhow.
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I wanted to say that. I mean what I just said.
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I may have said this before in the Iceberg, and
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if I haven't, I should have, because it bears repeating.
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I haven't seen a theory like this come from any
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single individual ever, not one that's this fleshed out or
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has this amount of unexampled connections within itself, as well
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as to what's known as the theoretical physics backbone that
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we talked about earlier. And by the way, this is
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what I do for a living. I interview people on
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what theory they have of reality, whether it's of consciousness
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or it's physics based or logic based or what have you.
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So again, thank you to Eric, and thank you to
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you for watching this.
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I hope you enjoyed it.
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Wow. And he's talked to a lot of physicists.
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In particular a lot of strength theories too. Yeah, and
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so you know, in part, I'm just in this very
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funny position where I now decide that I'm an entertainer,
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because here's a joe. What's the difference between a physic
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assistant an entertainer. An entertainer has legal rights?
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Well?
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You you, I know, and I know you, and I
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love you and I one of the things we always
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talk about is you do live. It's a lonely existence
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because you live in your own head and you're dealing
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with ideas and things that very few people can really
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appreciate or understand, including the creativity as a comic. You know,
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I'm about to release my next special, thank you and
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and but but at least I'm always getting affirmation. I'm
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out there. They're laughing, I'm building it, They're laughing. You know,
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I do the special. I get I know how it's
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going to be received, at least a little bit, because
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I'm I'm getting that kind of appreciation, sure after four
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decades of working in relative solitude.
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And abuse and abuse.
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And it's such an act of faith too, because when
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when you have a world where there's only when somebody
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like Ed Witten et cetera at all are saying that
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this is the only theory. Everything else is a lie.
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The act of faith it must take to continue on
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is because what if nobody ever sees it? That's why
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you get this guy like Kurt John Muncle who now
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takes all that time to actually understand it and highlight
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it and put it out there.
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How has that been received?
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Tell me? Yeah, you know, it's like the community doesn't
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want to react to it. And by react I mean
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something very special, like you saw this thing with Terrence
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Howard myself that Joe asked for.
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Yes, you were so nice to him. Maybe too nice,
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there was.
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I never want to critique somebody if I can't steal
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man them first. There's something wrong with the community that
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wants to pretend that a Harvard PhD in an MIT
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post doc can't be steel manned. Is this the first
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theory in the history mathematics and physics that can't be steelmanned?
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Like that's a really bizarre question. Yeah, so one second,
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think about it this way. What are the odds that
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somebody with my profile would work forty years and there's
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nothing to recommend what they work on? Like zero? There's
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nothing good that can be said about it. I can
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tell you that Terrence Howard's idea of sticking six pentagonal
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housings for propellers through the edges of a regular tetrahedron
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is an ingenious idea for a drone. I don't need
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Neil deGrasse Tyson to pat me on the back. I
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don't have to call up my friends in an aerospace department.
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I can say if nobody else has had that idea.
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He figured out that one hundred and eight degrees inside
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of a pentagon is almost one hundred and nine point
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four to seven, which is what you get for the
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interior angles of a tetrahedron. And he took that tiny discrepancy.
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He said that can be handled at an engineering level,
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and he built a drone with six degrees of freedom,
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so it has Pitcheon roll and it also has X,
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y and Z spanning something called the affine group. Now
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my feeling, yeah, I mean that's impressive. Yeah, And I'm
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going to catch all this nonsense off the internet, which
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is like, that's Charlotte and Terrence Howard, you were too nice,
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he had nothing, and another group of people is going
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to say you were such an arrogant brick win of course,
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but that's but my point is in neither of those things.
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There essentially are no theories that can't be Steelmann right, of.
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Course, a great author. The difference in a great novel.
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The reason that the Brothers Kara Monsov is a great
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novelist because Ivan, who is the atheist, is very hard
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to argue with. But The Grapes of Wrath great novel,
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but considered a good novel because you never get the
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point of view of the orange growers, the people that
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own the orange groves. We never see them. They're just
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these demons that are milking the poor dust pole migrants.
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But it would have been.
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A great Sinclair for me, for sure.
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I know this is actually Steinbecker.
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Yeah, but but but you mean the jungle, Yeah, exactly,
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But it's the same thing. There's the bad guys, so bad,
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But any great movie is the bad guy gives you.
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A monologue and you get his point of view. Started
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out as a kid.
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This is this is my take on Sorkin's version of
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Good Men. Colonel Jessop has as good of a point
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as Lieutenant Caffe. All the Walls Well, it's but it's
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undone by a flaw, right, So he gives this final
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soliloquies like he says something about you sleep under the
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bank blanket of freedom that I provide, not that we provide.
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And so this is Moses's sin, where Moses takes responsibility
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for bringing water from the stone for which he's prohibited
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to enter Israel. And so, you know, in a weird way,
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we don't remember that the reason that A Few Good
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Men is a great film and in a brilliant play
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really is that Jessup and Kaffe are evenly matched. It's
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not that one has the right point, one has the right.
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Thing exactly right, and that's such a good point because
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we want we ultimately viscerally, I sided with Jessip. The
485
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man side of me was like, yeah, that guy's a bitch,
486
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you know, but hold on, he's still you killed him.
487
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.880
And well, the thing is, I wanted somebody on that wall.
488
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.960
I needed somebody on that wall that wasn't him.
489
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Yes, but but well I don't mind having Jessup on
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that wall. But you have to remember that the reason
491
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that we don't have a warrior class that takes presence
492
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over all the other classes is because the warrior class
493
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is there to protect a gentler spirits, the people that
494
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actually can't handle the hazing and things like that. I mean,
495
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.440
you can't make the protectors the end all and be all.
496
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.599
The protectors are there to allow for what would be
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considered I suppose civilian rule. The argument would be, you
498
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have the most powerful army in the world in some
499
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ways because you have a powerful and strong and creative culture.
500
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You can't have a powerful, strong, creative culture if it's
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just a spartan culture. You need Athens. You need Athens
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to protect You need Spartans to protect Athens. I suppose
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the way I looked at it.
504
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Wouldn't you think of Jessip as likely to be a
505
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cultured man in a narrow vein where he probably read
506
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Marcus Aurelius, Like, there's no question in my mind that
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Jessop is a thinker. The weird thing is that he's
508
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cheated of war. He's forced to stay on this base
509
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in this tense situation that is not actually hot.
510
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I would say that I don't know that he's a
511
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cultured man, but I think that in order to be
512
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a warrior, you need not be confused about the gray
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area between right and wrong, good and evil. Your enemy
514
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is your enemy, and you're in the business of killing
515
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or imposing your will or neutralizing your enemy. It's a
516
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.799
it's a nasty business. I think you need a born enforcer.
517
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I think the problem is he's cheated of war and
518
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he's in a military edging situation where he has to
519
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:31.720
eat his breakfast within uh, you know, in the crosshairs
520
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.960
of a Cuban who's trained to kill him, but nothing's
521
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actually happening.
522
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I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
523
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And so, in fact, part of the problem is he's saying, look,
524
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I know who I'm supposed to be, and there's just
525
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no war for it.
526
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.279
Yeah.
527
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.720
Yeah, that's that's It's kind of like a Ferrari engine
528
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.640
with no racetrack, you know.
529
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:55.039
That's right.
530
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.480
But you know what Freud said about that. I think
531
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it was I can't remember. Freud was having a correspondence
532
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.799
with I can't remember the flus and and he said, uh, God,
533
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.559
who was it it was? I think fred said, if
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00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.319
you don't allow man to go to war, he'll go
535
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to war on himself, you know, you you and and
536
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and then the idea was that men don't go to
537
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war for hate. They don't go to war because they
538
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hate the enemy. They go to war because they love
539
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.079
what they're protecting. And if you want to get young
540
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.680
men to fight valiantly, if you want to get young
541
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men to die for a cause, you need you need
542
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.599
symbols for them to march under, You need slogans, you
543
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.720
need that sort of you need something that they can
544
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.680
get behind, and it's usually love of country.
545
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.200
Or or well entertainment. And I think that one.
546
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Of the one of that sustains.
547
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.759
It's a very interesting question. So PJ. Work has a
548
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:57.200
beautiful passage where he says that someone experienced what used
549
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.920
to be called the drunk delight of battle before we
550
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.079
decided that war was a bad thing, the trunk the
551
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light of battle.
552
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Well that's what.
553
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.680
But when when they the young men marched off to
554
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the Civil War and certainly World War One, not so
555
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.519
much World War II, but certainly World War One, they
556
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.759
were they it was they were they were dead plumes
557
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.039
in their hats, and they were excited to go to war.
558
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.240
It was valiant. There was something. You know, any young
559
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.720
warrior thinks of themselves as on the side of right,
560
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.559
and there's there's a there's a romance to of it.
561
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.319
The problem is war mocks that when you when you
562
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.160
when you used to talk to somebody who's been in war.
563
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.319
War makes a mockery of whatever you thought was right
564
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.400
and wrong or whatever you thought was good guys, bad
565
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.480
guys kind of stuff. It certainly about honor and courage
566
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.319
and all those things.
567
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.039
So certain kinds of warfare are incredibly demoralizing. So the
568
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.960
bouncing betty that was developed I think by the Germans
569
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.079
was feared because of the kind of injury that inflicted.
570
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.519
Something that would kill you would be different than something
571
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.200
that named you in a particular way, and you know,
572
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.279
in a weird way. I think the dueling in a
573
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.960
way that was unlikely to be fatal, so the two
574
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:14.519
people could fire at each other and experience the thrill
575
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.400
of not of likely not dying, or you know, dueling
576
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:19.319
to first blood.
577
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:21.920
In fact, they used to shoot kind of over each
578
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.640
other's you.
579
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.920
Know, well, there's something called deloping. I mean, now that
580
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:26.400
you bring it up, it's a word that I never
581
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.200
get to use. Where you fire your shot into the ground,
582
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.640
you throw it away saying I have no desire to
583
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.720
kill you, but I have no desire to cower either. Yeah. Yeah,
584
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.519
that's so, you know, this was well, this is and
585
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:45.640
this is why the manly world of the manispheres all up,
586
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.519
because in essence, we've got a bunch of people trying
587
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.759
to figure out how to be men in a time
588
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.359
that has had a lot of peace since nineteen forty five.
589
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.119
Well, this is Texas, my friend, this is uh you
590
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.960
know I trained these guys. Well, I mean, you moved
591
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.200
to Texas. You've got a copy of the Constitution in
592
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.400
your back pocket, you grow an aggressive beard, you get
593
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.880
better at jiu jitsu, You've got a freezer full of
594
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:09.440
game meat.
595
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.119
And tell me something. Yeah, when a guy with an
596
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.719
AR fifteen shows up in Valdi, what do the men
597
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.039
do my guns?
598
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.280
Well, in Texas, you're supposed to rehearse that scenario, and
599
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.400
you rehearse it not just with her live rounds, but
600
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.360
with dummy rounds. So if you get it, if something jams,
601
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.480
you learn how to expel your magazine.
602
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.119
What I'm trying to say is that a mom took
603
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.000
off her heels to top defense and rescued her kids
604
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.440
from an active shooter situation because Texas was in Texas, right.
605
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.079
That's right? Right, Yeah, So.
606
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.800
We all, we all, we've all learned this way. Boy
607
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.199
from from where I come from. You talk like that
608
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.960
it's short ride. Well mostly that's that's TV. I'm not
609
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:54.400
saying that.
610
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.000
I have a joke about that, which is, you know,
611
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.519
carrying a gun, which I could do in Texas. Frankly,
612
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.960
it's a little heavy. It's a little heavy, and it
613
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.280
also digs into my my spleen when I'm sitting down.
614
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.280
And also I'm not responsible, so I have a house
615
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.039
full of children, and the joke, but it's true, as
616
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.400
I within three days if I started carrying a gun,
617
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.760
I would go where is my gun? You know, which
618
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.400
is not a good question to ask when you've got
619
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.239
kids in the house. So, you know, Texas, not Texas
620
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.840
or most of us figure.
621
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.000
It's just a lot to carry. It's just heavy.
622
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.559
After a while, you've just become paranoid and chances are
623
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.199
it's not going to come to that and stuff like that. Now, yes,
624
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.079
I do practice shooting because in my mind, I want
625
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:41.199
to be the guy who can be.
626
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.599
Like, get down, excuse it's okay, everybody.
627
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.320
Problem with that also is I've had a lot of
628
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.559
warriors and police officers and guys who've been inoculated to
629
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.920
distresses of combat. Tier one operators just say, hey, Brian,
630
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.199
here's the problem. If you've got a gun and there's
631
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.039
an actor shoot a situation and you're squeezing off around
632
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.960
the cops going to shoot you thinking you're the guy.
633
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:02.320
There's a lot of things that.
634
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.159
You have never considered, and you're going to figure it
635
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:06.960
out the first time you need it.
636
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.400
Another guy did this to me. He said, I said, well,
637
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.239
if I'm with my kids in a mall, I want
638
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:12.599
to be able to what's a good gun to carry?
639
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.480
And he just stopped and he said, if you're at
640
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.679
the if you're with your kids at the mall, huh,
641
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:17.320
what's a good gun?
642
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:17.599
What do you?
643
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:17.840
What do you?
644
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.679
How do you see this plan out? I go, if
645
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.199
I see a guy with a gun and I got
646
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.639
my kids there, I want to I want to take
647
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.280
him out before he takes me out. And he said, yeah, okay,
648
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.840
we'll go ahead. Show me what you would do, and
649
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.400
he I just I go, what do you mean? He goes,
650
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.480
just draw and shoot. So I go to draw. He
651
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.960
grabs both legs and he starts pulling both legs in
652
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.599
two different directions. He said, your kids are going to
653
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.280
be holding on you, pulling you one way, and the
654
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.880
other kid's gonna be pulling the other other way, they're
655
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.079
gonna be holding on you. You didn't think about that,
656
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:45.320
did you?
657
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.039
Of the drywall problem all of it? Yeah?
658
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.840
And I and I went, oh, man, I never thought
659
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.639
about that. He goes, yeah, you want to get serious
660
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.480
about this. You got to train for it like anything.
661
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.400
This is this is the this is the problem I think.
662
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.960
And by the way, this is why I'm really enthusiastic
663
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:03.960
about this four Sun Force simmunition done it because they're
664
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:10.000
actually converting your firearm into a de facto airsoft.
665
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.039
You know, I haven't done the airsoft, but I did
666
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.679
do a scenario where there are screens and they have
667
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.679
an electric like literally a taser on your back and if.
668
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.840
You get shot, you get penalty.
669
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.440
Dude, my my cortisol. I got addicted to it though,
670
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.960
because my cortisol, my adrenaline is through the roof.
671
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.480
This is the problem with fetishes.
672
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.360
All right, we've we've already digressed. I need to get
673
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.719
back to Eric's theory of everything. So this guy makes
674
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.159
this video. I want to know, can you give us
675
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.800
Is there any way you can?
676
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:41.199
Yes?
677
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.519
Before because I know that my producer Dylan is chomping
678
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.400
at the bit. He wants to know the secrets to.
679
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.920
The in the chair. I say, screwed, Dylan. I love it.
680
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:54.079
I love it. You're right, Okay, you free me, Eric,
681
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:55.280
you are my wings.
682
00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:00.400
You complete me. Listen. What happened was that Kurt and
683
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.079
I were sitting outside of this conference. Kurt would say, Okay,
684
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.400
how does your theory handle the three generation problem? Why
685
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.599
are the three copies that matter? I said, here it
686
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.480
is in five minutes, so I gave him the answer.
687
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.800
Then he said, how does it handle the cosmological constant problem?
688
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.320
So I gave him the answer. He said, okay, why
689
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.880
are there sixteen particles in a generation? Gave him the answer.
690
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.199
Why SU three quest SU two questions? You won the groups,
691
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.440
the symmetries that generate the forces. Everything was about five minutes,
692
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:31.199
and so he's like, how is this possible? And I said,
693
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.639
I don't honestly know what's going on. He clearly has
694
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.519
background in mathematical physics, I think from the University of Toronto.
695
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.119
He says that on his program, I don't know what.
696
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.000
I don't think he has a PhD. He don't think
697
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.119
he had an advisor. I also didn't have an advisor.
698
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.480
I did have it. I did get a PhD. But
699
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.880
I think he probably stopped before and then he got curious,
700
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.000
and then he disappeared, and then out of nowhere he
701
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.719
appears and he's got this mock up of my theory
702
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:09.559
on his screen.
703
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.119
So he took a couple of months to go down
704
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:13.880
that rabbit hole.
705
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.159
Oh yeah, wow man, and then he just like he's like,
706
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:27.440
holy cow, it checks out and now it's okay. So
707
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:33.239
now you've got two non professors roaming around the internet
708
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.079
who are seeing sort of the same thing. Two well
709
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:45.559
me and him. Yeah, and the community still isn't listening.
710
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.159
And you know, and I'm trying to say to the community,
711
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:54.559
in some sense, you're in receivership. You're in intellectual receivership.
712
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.599
Ever since you caught the quantum gravity flew, and you've
713
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.760
been talking about nothing other than the one true theory,
714
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.800
and there's no other game in town. We all have
715
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.960
to quantize gravity because this is the Holy Girl. All
716
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.280
of this is total nonsense. And it really began nineteen
717
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.159
eighty three, eighty four with one individual who was just
718
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.679
so intellectually dominant that he steered the entire field towards
719
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:23.320
his set.
720
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.599
Of questions with that one speech. University of Pennsvania.
721
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.719
No, that was the I that was the thing where
722
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I look. I'm in my freshman year, I guess at Pendents,
723
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.360
so it's very unusual. It's more unusual for a freshman
724
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to be in a physics seminar than it is for
725
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me to be sixteen or seventeen. But I'm young. I
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have no idea where I am. I'm going to seminar
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as thinking that this is like normal, which I guess
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it wasn't. And I see this thing where I you know,
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Edwin at the seminar famously says, as every quantum field
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theorist knows the operator product, expansion, this, that and the
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other thing. Blah blah blah. The guy next to me
732
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turns to me and he says, I've been a quantum
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field there is for forty years. I don't know any
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of this shit. That's how profound it was, right God,
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when he's still around, Oh yeah, where's he at? He's
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I think forcibly retired from the Institute for Advanced Study
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because they have a seven retirement age. At seventy. He
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has not been as dominant recently.
739
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Have you tried to contact him?
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You know? He and I had two and a half
741
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three conversations that really mattered, where each time we went
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up against each other and some bizarre thing happened because
743
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I don't I don't know a fraction of what that
744
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guy knows, and I can't do a fraction of what
745
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that guy can do. But I do know what I believe,
746
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and normally what he does is he he just says, well,
747
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you know, as every grade school child knows, and then
748
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he says something, and people don't want to look dumb,
749
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so they say, of course, and I say, no, that's
750
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not true, because I'm autistic. So in nineteen eighty five
751
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he tried to prove that something called a Kaluza c
752
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line theory couldn't exist because the weak forces asymmetry precludes
753
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it due to something called the ata Hartsbrook theorem. So
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I went to his office in eighty five. I had
755
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a conversation with him and I said, you know, everything
756
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was going great, great guns. I was going to go
757
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to Princeton become a student. And he said, what are
758
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you interested in? I said, well, you know you wrote
759
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this article on and I have an argument that you
760
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:53.199
haven't contended with about why Cluza client theory can't exist
761
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and he completely blew his stack.
762
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Really yeah, interesting, that always feels like insecurity to me.
763
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Unclear clear as right, But but can.
764
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You what where do you deviate? What is it that
765
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you are saying that other physicists are not saying.
766
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Especially I'm an entertainer.
767
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I know you're a little more than that. Eric, You're
768
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a little more than that, but I appreciate it. But no,
769
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you're you're you're a little more than that, and you're.
770
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Just a theoretical mathematician dealing with things that are just ridiculous.
771
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So just trying to get mine just you're just.
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A guy from trying to get from point A to
773
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point b. He ever hear I think it was who
774
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was the Coburn, the old? The old played bad guys?
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James Cobert, and he said, I don't play bad guys.
776
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.400
I just play a regular guy trying to get from
777
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point A to point B the best way I know how,
778
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And if I got to take a couple of shortcuts,
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so be great way to describe a bad guy. Right,
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So you're just trying to get from point A to
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point B. You're just an entertainer, can you of us?
782
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Is there any way to explain.
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This to us. Yea, there is the really where.
784
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I could understand it. Yeah, okay, can can you give
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me what your rebuttal is and then give me.
786
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Give me well, let me just sort of give you
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the main ideas. So I just gave a talk at
788
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U see San Diego in the Cosmology Physics seminar, and
789
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I gave a formula for the dark energy. Now, in
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Einstein's setting, he worked on something called the space of metrics.
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So imagine that you know who Einstein is, You know
792
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that general relativity is his great work, but you're probably confused.
793
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You think equals mc squared is his major innovation, which
794
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it isn't. No, there's something called the Einstein field equations,
795
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which looks like capital gmunu plus lambda times little gmunw
796
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equals some constant times tm nu. So if you've never
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I'm just saying, well, but that should be your first
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clue something. Well, but that's the first indication that if
799
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I say that and you have a reaction, because I
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view you as a very generally interested person, something has
801
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to have gone terribly wrong if you think E equals
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mc squared is Einstein's big deal. So just keep in
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mind that the things that I'm going to say after
804
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that have to do with the fact think about physics
805
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as a giant mansion in which we give people this
806
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really weirdo guided tour where we don't let them visit
807
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almost any rooms. So I can go into any airport
808
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in the United States and there'll be somebody talking about
809
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.079
the multiverse and entanglement in Schrodinger's cat, but there won't
810
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be anyone talking about why is SU three the symmetry
811
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of the strong force, which is much more of an important,
812
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you know question in some ways. Then then you'd have
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any idea gathering from the fact that nobody talks about it,
814
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or the three generations of matter. You probably have never
815
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.519
heard that there are three generations of matter. So this
816
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careful curation both inside the field where you're trying to
817
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tell everybody the only holy grail is to quantize gravity.
818
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Where're going to make Einstein submit to the will of war,
819
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that's the holy grail. That's a curation inside the field
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where we lead beginning graduate students through this particular mindset
821
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so that they won't be able to make progress for
822
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reasons that I don't understand. And then we do this
823
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other thing with the lay public which is that we
824
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:46.440
talk ad nauseum about entanglement and the double slid experiment
825
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and things of that nature in Schrodinger's cat and as
826
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a result, nobody knows actually any physics. So I'm going
827
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to say things which will sound unfamiliar, But don't blame
828
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the messenger. I'm just telling you Einstein formulated his theory
829
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on something called the space of Lorentzian metrics. So I
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want you to think about that as as if we
831
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were in Italy and you're in Pisa. If you have
832
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a problem with a term in Einstein's equations, it's a
833
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little bit like your tower is leaning. If you see
834
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there as being a leaning tower of Pisa, you're likely
835
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to think, boy, they screwed up the tower. When you
836
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find out that there are other leaning all the towers
837
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in Pisa lean, you start to think, oh, maybe it's
838
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the soil. So what I'm proposing is that we move
839
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Einstein's structure away from this thing that you've never heard of,
840
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the space of Lorentzian space time metrics and put it
841
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somewhere else called the inhomogeneous gauge group. Now, because you
842
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didn't know about the space of Lorentzian metrics. I'm not
843
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going to be able to talk to you so easily
844
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.400
about that. Way that really is is a choice. So
845
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.000
every instant of time that has a place and a
846
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time is called a space time event. And at that
847
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space time event, I've got three rulers in space, one
848
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watch that tells me how fast time is going. So
849
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that's four instruments. And then I've got six protractors X
850
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versus y, X versus Z, why versus Z, and then
851
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.840
weirdo protractors time versus X, time versus why time versus Z.
852
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.920
And that set of ten objects, the three rulers, one watch,
853
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three regular protractress, and six that is a space time
854
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metric at a space time event.
855
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.760
So that's its address.
856
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.440
Einstein said, Okay, nature chooses one set of rulers, protractors,
857
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and watches according to this formula. And I'm saying no, no, no,
858
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I think nature is working over the space of all
859
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possible rulers, all possible watches, and all possible protractors. And
860
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that means that if you take our four dimensions that
861
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.079
we think we're in, so the three that we into
862
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.920
it the extra one of time that Einstein told us
863
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.559
to add. And now we add three rulers, one watch,
864
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three normal protractors, and three weird time versus space protractors,
865
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.519
you get fourteen. My claim is you and I are
866
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.480
actually in a fourteen dimensional conversation. We don't perceive it
867
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that way.
868
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.840
So you're adding three dimensions to Einstein's.
869
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.880
I'm taking the four dimensions that Einstein gave us and
870
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.440
instead which space, x, y, Z and T. So three
871
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.599
of space, x, y and z and one of time.
872
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.280
And I'm saying, now I want you to think about
873
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.519
the instruments that we would use to measure those dimensions
874
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:00.800
as dimensions themselves. So now you think about how do
875
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.159
you'd want to go to alpha centuri. This table is
876
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:12.559
probably a wood or pseudo wood table. However, it's possible
877
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.079
that it could be a display screen, and if so,
878
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.400
I would be able to do this. This was introduced
879
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.400
and I think around two thousand and six, two thousand
880
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.920
and three something like that. At a TED talk. You
881
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.400
can hear the audience gasp and it's called multi touch gestures,
882
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.760
and this particular one is called pinch to zoom. So,
883
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.920
in part, my suspicion is that space time is a model.
884
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.760
It's not the territory This is something psychonauts and people
885
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.880
take a lot of psychedelic drugs talk about. The map
886
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:48.320
is not the territory. So think about general relativity in
887
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.119
the standard model is the map. And we've been so
888
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.679
long in a world where the map of our physical
889
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.079
world isn't changing that we now think we live in
890
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.559
space time. We don't realize that space time is a
891
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:03.400
model and that model is almost certainly not right.
892
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.079
So it's a virtual reality way.
893
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.360
It's a distortion of reality that is the best distortion
894
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.119
that we can work with mathematically.
895
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.280
This whole thing we're doing now, You and.
896
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.480
I are doing a thing in the territory. But if
897
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:19.760
you had to make a map of the territory, somebody
898
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:23.840
would start talking about world lines through space times. Imagine
899
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Brian Callen was a point or whatever, and at that
900
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.599
point you're idealizing things.
901
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:31.880
I'm so I gotta tell you, I don't even know
902
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.800
how you even started conceiving of this. I don't even
903
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:39.280
know how you start with this. I can't fathom how
904
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.840
your brain works so that you're fourteen dimensions. I just
905
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.679
it's impossible for me to even understand how you got here.
906
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.159
Ryan. If I started describing a problem in modern day Turkey. Yeah,
907
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.840
I know you very well, And what you do is
908
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.400
you'd say, well, look, I think in many ways this
909
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.239
problem has to do with the transition from the Ottoman
910
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.599
Empire through Attiturk to a modern Muslim state in Asia
911
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:08.360
Minor or whatever.
912
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.480
And so you're starting with a model, a rudimentary.
913
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.719
So I'm trying to say somebody starts with the problem, like,
914
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.840
what are you curious about the physical world? You want
915
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:17.760
to go to the stars?
916
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.480
Personally, I don't concern myself with that stuff, but you know,
917
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.199
but I'm curious about plenty.
918
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.320
Yeah, well, but why are we talking? What do you
919
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.519
think this place is? What do you think we're made of?
920
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:37.159
That's the nostalgia for getting closer to the truth seems
921
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.679
to be as human as it gets. We all none
922
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:41.679
of us want to be lied to. We all want
923
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:42.400
to get closer to.
924
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.639
What's actually that's true, we do want to be lied.
925
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.280
Well, probably probably because it's a lot more comfortable, but
926
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.719
you're right about that, But really none of us like
927
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.360
to be lied to. Really, I mean, at the end
928
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.360
of the day, I'd like to be the one who knows.
929
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.599
I mean, I want to find out that the truth
930
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.719
loves me just as much as the lies that I.
931
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.800
Wish yeah, or I'd like to know that the truth
932
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.199
is something benevolent. Yeah, yeah, yes, sure, right, that there's
933
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.000
there's a point to this. And when you talk about
934
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.920
there there being a point to this, right, the point
935
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.920
is something good at the end of that day.
936
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:13.760
Well, so maybe you want to know God?
937
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:14.679
I think so.
938
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.679
Yeah. So my claim is is that in general, you
939
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.199
end when a child goes through that chain of why questions,
940
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.679
they either accept a because as an answer or they
941
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.159
become a theoretical physicist or a mathematician.
942
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:34.400
Ah, that's great, that's so true. That's that. That is so.
943
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.920
I think that the natural the natural state of a
944
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:42.320
human is mathematics and physics, and everyone who is not
945
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.079
a mathematician or physicist needs to explain when did this
946
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.519
become an interesting to you?
947
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:50.360
When did this become uninteresting?
948
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.840
Yeah? Here you are in a miracle. You don't even
949
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.760
know what you are. If I asked you, you know
950
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.039
about and I won't, I promise, But if I asked you,
951
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.159
like about the particles in your body, how much understanding
952
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:10.159
do you have of the quarks, protons, the neutrons, the
953
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.719
glue ones, none? So at some point you're like, too
954
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.719
rich for my blood.
955
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:17.440
I'm out.
956
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But but but the understanding, the meaningful difference between things.
957
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It is really the difference between being a person of
958
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.760
knowledge and wisdom in a lot of ways. I mean,
959
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you know, you you we knowing what the difference is.
960
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You have to work at that.
961
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Sometimes you have to have at least a rudimentary understanding
962
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of music to really appreciate Mozart and Beethoven, and the
963
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difference between Bach and and shumeh whoever it might be.
964
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.079
Sure or whatever, Schubert, Schumann, Schubert.
965
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:50.719
Like whatever it is.
966
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.679
But you know what I mean, like the the like
967
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.079
Stelonious Monk, why is he? Why was he such a
968
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.440
great pianist? Why was coal trying?
969
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.400
Well? Okay, so there you go. The you know, he
970
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.199
was a great composer, Okay.
971
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.639
And when you hear Leonard Bernstein break down Beethoven, it's
972
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.519
fascinating because he says the same thing about him, nasty
973
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.800
about Beethos. He's nasty, but he had this god given
974
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.119
understanding of the form.
975
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:14.679
And when you hear that, you go, oh.
976
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.360
I didn't know you're familiar with it. It's like a
977
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.559
crazy thing where He says basically that on all sorts
978
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.599
of metrics, Beethoven.
979
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:26.320
Is mess, rudimentary, He's he's rudimentary.
980
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.599
And then it comes up with a mess. It comes
981
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.400
up with some conclusion at the end that there's one
982
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.360
thing that makes Beethoven special, which is like every note
983
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:35.639
has a purpose.
984
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.320
Or something, knowing what, knowing what that next perfect note
985
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.519
is so so he hadn't understand the form of it
986
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:41.320
was this instinct.
987
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.559
Ever heard his crazy introduction of Glenn Gould No the
988
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.840
Broms second Piano Concerto.
989
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.679
No, But I've seen it. I've seen it.
990
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.239
You've seen him discussing this no frightening.
991
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.519
I've seen Gould, though, wrestle with that, I think, and
992
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.360
maybe I heard him talking about that.
993
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.719
I think it's recorded, and my recollection has.
994
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.199
A documentary, and there's a documentary.
995
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.920
On So apparently Bernstein comes out and says, you might
996
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.159
want to know why I'm addressing the audience tonight. It's
997
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.039
very rare that a conductor does this. But I have
998
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.599
such respect for the soloist Glenn Gould, that I am
999
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.880
here to tell you that I completely disagree with his
1000
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.159
interpretation of the piece.
1001
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.039
A seeming something else man.
1002
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.639
And then he says, now, the normal thing to do
1003
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:33.559
is to pretend to feign a conflict and allow a
1004
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.039
junior conductor to take over so that I don't have
1005
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.760
to be in conflict with my soloist. But so high
1006
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.280
is my esteem for mister Gould that I've decided to
1007
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.760
conduct this against my own better judgment in the fashion
1008
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.400
that he has specified. And I'll let you be the judge.
1009
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:56.639
What well, this is when things mattered, they mattered, right,
1010
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.679
and like you can imagine something, He's like words, get
1011
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:01.719
to the music.
1012
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:05.920
For all you anti semitis at there by the way, Uh,
1013
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.719
Goold and Bernstein were juice and so's this guy. So
1014
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:12.719
you guys are so smart. It must be you know what.
1015
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.000
Actually I changed my name. I changed my name for
1016
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:16.760
McConnell for business reason.
1017
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.119
Eric McConnell. I don't know if he's that Scottish. This
1018
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:21.920
is weird.
1019
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.559
Yeah, yeah, the fix is in. Uh that's that. And
1020
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.159
one of the things that bothered Beethoven is he couldn't
1021
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.960
compose a feud. I guess he was just always falling
1022
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:34.840
short of composing that feud.
1023
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:36.079
You know.
1024
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:41.360
Yeah, he wanted to compose a fight. He and he
1025
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:46.159
felt like he was always falling. Yeah, YouTube Bernstein breaking
1026
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.039
Beethoven down. It's so great and it's so worth it.
1027
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.280
And I took what I loved about it is I'm
1028
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.760
constantly I'm editing my special now, and I mean, I can't.
1029
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.559
I just hate myself in general. I walk around feeling
1030
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.440
I was walking. I was in Austin, and I was
1031
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.679
walking around hating myself and feeling kind of shitty about myself.
1032
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:09.000
And and I'm with my wife and we're walking by
1033
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.840
this guy. I'm admiring his guitar. They're playing right there,
1034
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.239
and I'm walking on Sixth Street and in the middle
1035
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:18.719
of his playing, he gets off stage, walks up to me,
1036
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:23.000
stops playing, so it's all packed house, and he just goes,
1037
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.960
you are my favorite comic. You make me laugh. And
1038
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.519
I was admiring him and feeling bad about myself, walking
1039
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.719
with my head down with the posture of a jumbo shrimp.
1040
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:35.199
And this guy comes off and shakes my hand. He's
1041
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.280
all full of sweat, gives me a kind of a
1042
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:41.280
bro hug, and I just went, you know, man, you
1043
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.719
know I'll never complain about a damn thing life because
1044
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.199
I here, I am just hating everything.
1045
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:47.239
I do and this, and I and.
1046
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.159
This guy got off stage to say in the middle
1047
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.880
of his playing, so at least I'm moving some people.
1048
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.960
It just happened to me at a place called the
1049
00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:59.679
Recording Club with a fabled drummer whose last name I
1050
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:05.639
can't say without butchering in Vinnie Cayuta, whose name checked
1051
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:12.880
on Frank Zappa's Joe's Garage, and legendary drummer because of
1052
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:17.920
his I think polyrhythmic and odd time signature ability. And
1053
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:22.559
I went into this to this recording club and somebody said,
1054
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.599
you know Vinnie's drumming right now. You've got to be kidding.
1055
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.480
And I said, can I see? He says sure. So
1056
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:33.079
I go into the actual studio. Now there's something about
1057
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.840
interrupting somebody when they're recording and actually walking into their
1058
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:41.400
sonic space. And Vinnie sees me, and there's an intruder
1059
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:46.400
in his space and he throws down the drumsticks and
1060
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.760
he gets up and like, I have screwed up so badly.
1061
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.360
I am the worst worm in human history. It comes
1062
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.000
over and he says, Eric Weinstein, I said, you have
1063
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.639
any idea who I am? I said, you're Vinnie Ga.
1064
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.519
And he's like doing. I'm just like, dude, you're you.
1065
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:05.760
You know, it's just and it's it's weird because when
1066
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:11.119
when you appreciate niche people like I'm very devoted, for example,
1067
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.719
to this guy Ryan Williams, who's a scooter trick guy
1068
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.400
does a stuff off rams.
1069
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.599
Yeah you know right, Yeah, he did our he did
1070
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:21.199
our podcast.
1071
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.360
Oh you know when we went to when Joe invited
1072
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:24.519
us for the UFC.
1073
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.440
Week, Yeah, he did our podcast Fighter and kid.
1074
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:31.400
Like him, Kyle Lenny, all of these death defying athletes.
1075
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:33.760
I just I want to say thank you for making me.
1076
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.840
I've got to do and Stump's podcast. Have you seen
1077
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.039
Andy Stump? Have you seen what he does in that
1078
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.639
squirrel suit? His royal record was just broken.
1079
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.599
I hate and love and hate and why don't you
1080
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:46.960
take a.
1081
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.960
Look at his po v as he's as he's diving
1082
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:59.360
through dude the ground, you will you will.
1083
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.960
Get a nasty carpet burn that you're not going to
1084
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.639
walk away from.
1085
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.000
I mean, you know, one or two people survive their
1086
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:08.199
collisions with with.
1087
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.360
Yeah, one or two, and they're never the same. One
1088
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.119
guy got caught in a tree and enjoy that sh.
1089
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.239
Yeah yeah, okay, okay with that back to Yeah, well,
1090
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.519
the fascinating thing about this is that the reason that
1091
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:23.159
you don't start this sport is that you recognize that
1092
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.679
once once you've tried skydiving, you need to do a
1093
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.119
squirrel suit. Once you do a squirrel suit, you need
1094
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.039
to fly closer and do proximity flying. Once you do
1095
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.239
proximity flying, you're trying out new courses under weirder conditions,
1096
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:38.360
and effective your hedonic tread keeps.
1097
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:41.199
You got to keep the the the juice going. You
1098
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:42.519
got to keep upping the ante.
1099
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:44.719
And that's that's what I think kills people.
1100
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.400
Yeah, that sport it is, and they die. Go back
1101
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:52.000
to we've been we've we've this the trump weave. Let's go.
1102
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.320
Let me take you back for a second. You have
1103
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.599
so your your the delineation between your theory and Einstein's theory,
1104
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.159
and he was working on the theory of everything before
1105
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.360
he died, is that there are fourteen points, not eleven points.
1106
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:12.079
I'm taking Einstein more seriously than Einstein, and I'm saying
1107
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:16.599
that what he called space time is a four dimensional
1108
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:25.039
sliver of a fourteen dimensional space, and that something that
1109
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:30.039
he used to generate his equations, which was actually technically
1110
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.840
discovered by David Hilbert, which is like a penalty function
1111
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.960
for how good or bad a configuration of physical states
1112
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:43.039
is called a Lagrangian or an action, and he used
1113
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:47.119
this thing called now the Einstein Hilbert action. And my
1114
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.880
claim is is that it's much closer to a combination
1115
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.920
between that action and something called the Churn Simon's action.
1116
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:57.079
Churn Simon's action is trapped in dimension three. It only
1117
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:04.199
works in dimension three, really, And I'm making the argument
1118
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.079
that Einstein showed us how to take a four manifold
1119
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:11.199
and make it behave as if it were a three
1120
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:16.480
dimensional space, so in a weird way which unfortunately without
1121
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:20.119
a whiteboard, I can't really explain it. He figured out
1122
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:24.000
how to take curvature and feed it back into the
1123
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:29.800
space of derivative operators using something called a contraction. Years later,
1124
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.360
SS Churn and Jim Simon's of Renaissance Hedge Fund fame
1125
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:39.599
figured out how to take in dimension three curvature and
1126
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.920
feed it back into derivative operators using something else called
1127
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.599
a Hodge Star operator. And in fact, what you need
1128
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:49.199
to do is you need to take the churn Simon's idea,
1129
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.360
but also the Einsteinian contraction idea and marry the two
1130
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:58.719
ideas in order to get the right gravity theory. So effectively,
1131
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.480
what I've said is, look, the problem isn't the equation
1132
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.920
so much per se. It's not the tower. It's Pisa,
1133
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:09.880
that's the problem. It's the soil, not the engineering. And
1134
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.719
so I've tried to lift this thing and put it
1135
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:17.280
down in a new home, and in the process, you know,
1136
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.679
I'm sort of down selling it. I am changing the equations,
1137
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.840
I'm changing the Leagrangians. This is new. It's not something
1138
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:29.599
that we already know, but it's not disconnected from our history.
1139
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.239
And for whatever reason, the community can't sit still to
1140
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:37.960
steal man it before figuring out what it wants to
1141
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.960
say is wrong. And I just don't I genuinely don't
1142
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:48.320
grasp how Kurt Jaimungle can have spent two hundred and
1143
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.400
fifty hours producing a three hour documentary and nobody in
1144
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.400
the official nobody in the priestly community can figure out
1145
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:57.679
word one as to what to say.
1146
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.840
Well, it's complicated, is stuff, and you've got to have
1147
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.000
a real background, you know, as you're talking, I'm wondering,
1148
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:08.719
is one of the instruments that you are taking into
1149
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.119
account the observer consciousness.
1150
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.800
It has no consciousness questions. What is the observer?
1151
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:17.639
What is the observer?
1152
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.639
Who? Well, that's the thing. I mean, one of the
1153
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.599
old jokes is you know who's the observer? Is that
1154
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:27.320
your father was his father the observer is it passed
1155
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.920
down to her. It's a weird way in which you're
1156
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.639
talking technically, technically, technically, and then you say this thing.
1157
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.880
It's like then the observer makes an observation and a measurement,
1158
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.320
thinking how did a human get into that story?
1159
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.360
Well, the observers are difficult. I mean, let's just dissect
1160
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:50.119
that for a second. Because you have the ability as
1161
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.400
an individual to actually observe yourself.
1162
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:54.000
I mean, you're you're airly.
1163
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:58.280
Well, you know, one of the things that meditators of
1164
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:02.039
the Vedanta and you know these kinds of things practice
1165
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:06.320
is observing what is happening. So their meditation would be
1166
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.880
something like I'm going to sit quietly and I'm going
1167
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.199
to just see what happens. So I'm going to watch
1168
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:14.800
the thoughts come into my mind. I'm going to I'm
1169
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:19.519
going to watch my emotions, my body go through its emotions. Something,
1170
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.119
my face will get hot, my heart will beat faster.
1171
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:26.239
I'm going to observe my physical body in this as
1172
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.119
a cloud of sensation, which you can do, and you
1173
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:32.320
can get very very good at stepping out of that
1174
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:36.079
and watching all of that phenomenon. So if you have anxiety,
1175
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:41.679
you can treat it almost like the same thing as
1176
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:44.199
when you burn your finger a little bit. It's just data.
1177
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.199
You just interpret the raw data of said thing. Now,
1178
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:51.159
then the question becomes who's doing the observing. And we
1179
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:55.559
tie our identity so closely to our emotions, our physical body,
1180
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.800
and our minds, our thoughts, our memories. But what if
1181
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.119
there's somebody else watching all of that? And in fact
1182
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.000
there is, and if you have any doubts about the
1183
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:10.159
power of that kind of exercise. C. Nineteen sixty three,
1184
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:15.559
when that Buddhist monk was protesting I think his name
1185
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.199
was the President of South Vietnam, who was a staunch
1186
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:23.039
Catholic and protesting that president's treatment of Buddhists in his
1187
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.199
own country. And he lit himself on fire, perfectly still
1188
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.679
and didn't move. And I think it was David halberts
1189
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.320
Stand from the New York Times who said he just
1190
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.519
keeled over. I just heard the air expel from his
1191
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.480
lungs and as his acolytes were crying. But that's a
1192
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:41.440
guy who had already left his body. That's a guy
1193
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:46.159
who was watching himself and had already left behind this avatar.
1194
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:52.360
So back to the observer, that's a hard thing to
1195
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:52.880
tear down.
1196
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:56.599
That's a really beautiful illustration of a very tough point.
1197
01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:58.000
I don't think I've ever heard that.
1198
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.800
Well, that's this is where we get into this sort
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of the conversation about the observer.
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01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.719
Well, see the problem is that they're different kinds of observation.
1201
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.320
So the next problem that I'm going to hit you
1202
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.199
with is, Okay, so you have a robot, you aren't
1203
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.920
a robot. You have something that has a metacognitive perch,
1204
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.760
and you observe your robot the breathing, that, how flush
1205
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:24.640
your cheeks feel, etc. From your meticognitive perch. But now
1206
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.680
the question is can you now observe your process from
1207
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.319
that perch and do the same trick that you did
1208
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:35.680
to your cheeks or does that thing resist observation. That
1209
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:38.680
something I've discussed with Sam Altman, whether or not consciousness
1210
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:43.039
beyond large language models, has to do with defeating a
1211
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:47.880
recursion property, where how do you observe the observer observing
1212
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:51.680
the observer observing. You know, that's a huge problem because
1213
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.720
if that doesn't self terminate, it's.
1214
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:57.000
Like, well, you know, sam Alman studies Vedanta, So sam
1215
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.800
Alman is very much in this camp. And and if
1216
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.800
you your guru, your goodbye or whatever is, will tell
1217
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:08.479
you that later on, as you start to cultivate the observer,
1218
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.279
I think it's called socty you you will then you
1219
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:18.119
will then very subtly start practicing observing the observer.
1220
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.119
All right, this is where to your point?
1221
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.560
Well, so my claim is is that either you're going
1222
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.600
to do something, which is to introduce something called a
1223
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:29.199
recursion limit, which.
1224
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.359
Is what stops we get to the point where the mirrors.
1225
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.239
Well, if I ask you what is one divided by
1226
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:37.079
three to infinite precision as a as a fraction, as
1227
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:40.439
sorry as a decimal, you're supposed to say, I've given
1228
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:44.680
you twelve digits and it's enough already. Otherwise the computer
1229
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.239
breaks now that or you could try to say, look,
1230
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:51.720
I'm going to observe the process of generating that fraction
1231
01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:54.680
and let that be the observation. So I don't know
1232
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.239
how this gets settled, but ultimately there's there are multiple
1233
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.520
problems of observation in human life, and some of them
1234
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:06.279
are biochemical, some of them are physical. And my claim
1235
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:10.560
is that gravity is the observer. That is, yeah, that
1236
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:17.119
a choice, an Einsteinian choice of three rulers, one watch,
1237
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:22.720
and six protractors is the act of observing the fourteen
1238
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:24.039
dimensional space.
1239
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:27.079
The choice of using those.
1240
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:30.520
You may not know which ones you've chosen, but you
1241
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:36.000
see one, Well, how is that gravity? So imagine that
1242
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:40.000
Einstein has already convinced the world who follows general relativity
1243
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.760
that the choice of a Lorenzian metric is what generates gravity.
1244
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:48.359
That's something that you can blame me for not being
1245
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.920
a good explainer, but that is what's in the world currently.
1246
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:59.000
My claim is, if you think about this room, you
1247
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:03.199
might be led into air saying, what's the temperature in
1248
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:06.960
the room? Oh, it's sixty eight degrees fahrenheit? Well, is
1249
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:11.000
it sixty eight degrees fahrenheit everywhere in the room? How
1250
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.359
would you sample the various temperatures that are in the room.
1251
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:21.600
So imagine that you had, for example, a string of thermometers,
1252
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.399
and you had the string somehow arrayed through the room.
1253
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:27.760
You'd get a different reading at every point. There might
1254
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:32.159
there'd be some variation. Maybe you'd have a sheet of thermometers,
1255
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.560
and depending upon how high low bent curved, you'd get
1256
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:39.079
a bunch of readings across the sheet. Well, that's effectively
1257
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:41.520
what I'm saying is that you have some four dimensional
1258
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.920
object which seems to generate the universe, and then you
1259
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:49.520
have a choice of how to attach three watches, three rulers,
1260
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.680
one watch, and six protractors to that.
1261
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:53.760
You have a choice of how to measure it.
1262
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.840
Right, Well, now, how to get a collection of measuring devices?
1263
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.359
You have different measuring like this could be a foot,
1264
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.640
this could be a foot. You have to decide what
1265
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.439
a foot is in the ex direction, what a foot
1266
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:07.359
is in the wide erect.
1267
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:09.039
But when you write a script, you've got to decide
1268
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:11.960
what point of the story do you want to start? Yeah,
1269
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.880
I don't know if that's an analogy, but did You've
1270
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.920
got to kind of say, why on this day have
1271
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:17.920
we started the story?
1272
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:18.159
Now?
1273
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:20.279
You know? Okay? Well, if you wanted to do it
1274
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:23.279
in screenwriting, you might say that, according to Save the Cat,
1275
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:26.760
there are forty beats in a film on average, and
1276
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.279
each beat is a measure of the change in the
1277
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.079
emotional cadence of a screenplay.
1278
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:34.560
I just you're just such a polymath and I can't
1279
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:37.000
believe you read Save the Cat. You see what I'm saying.
1280
01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.000
The guy just knows, like literally, you want to talk
1281
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:45.800
about anything, and he's Blake Schneider and yeah, by the way,
1282
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:46.399
Save the Cat.
1283
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:51.039
That's your Well, I'm just trying to meet you where
1284
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:51.279
you are.
1285
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:52.479
I don't know, I know, and I get it, I
1286
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:53.600
get it, but but but.
1287
01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:01.279
So som gravity Let's go back to gravity is a
1288
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:08.119
choice of rulers, watches, and protractors. And I'm saying, no, no,
1289
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:10.720
look at all of the rulers, all of the watches,
1290
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.439
all of the protractors on the four dimensional space. Take
1291
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.439
them in their totality, not just the ones that Einstein's
1292
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:19.800
they get picked up by the equation.
1293
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:22.039
How do you choose all those?
1294
01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:22.680
How do you?
1295
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.039
I mean, where are they? Why did you come up
1296
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:28.880
with all a bunch of different ones?
1297
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.119
Well, this is what I'm trying to say about your
1298
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.760
temperature reading, is that if you look at your nest
1299
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.640
thing on the wall and it says sixty eight degrees,
1300
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.079
where's that sensor?
1301
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.319
You're suggesting that there are different temperatures in this room.
1302
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.760
Yeah, right, So it's a little weird that we've chosen one.
1303
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:49.840
But you figured out a way, at least according to
1304
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.880
your equations, to measure all the temperatures in the room.
1305
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.920
Well, no, I'm saying first of all, that the particles
1306
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.640
that we are are not dancing on a four dimensional stage.
1307
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:08.840
They're dancing on a fourteen dimensional stage. And you know,
1308
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:14.520
if you and I both go to a we both
1309
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:20.039
take our daughters to see Taylor Swift. Okay, I'm behind
1310
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:22.680
a post and you've got floor seats.
1311
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:25.239
Yeah that's right, damn right. Sorry.
1312
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:27.359
I just like to assert dominance because I don't like
1313
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.960
how smart. So if anywhere I can get a little edge,
1314
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:30.520
but keep going.
1315
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.880
I'm right there. Yeah, she's waving to me.
1316
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:37.800
Probably. So you asked me, how is the show like lousy?
1317
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:44.119
How is the show awesome? Same show? But somehow we
1318
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.159
sampled that show from two very different places?
1319
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:49.640
Or for example, it's a great way to put it,
1320
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.680
because if I'm in a plane flying over Belize versus
1321
01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:55.880
being on the ground in Belize, right, it's just two
1322
01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:59.439
very different I mean, it's just when I look at
1323
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.399
a piano, it's a box until it's touched the right
1324
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:03.479
way and then it's a piano.
1325
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.279
Well, you know, you could think about another version of this,
1326
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:11.640
the Matrix I think it was during maybe it was
1327
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:17.960
the Matrix first sequel. You had the computer composed the
1328
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.199
scenes with enough three dimensional information that they could then
1329
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.600
try lots of different virtual cameras going through the scene.
1330
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:31.600
So the scene always happened the same way, but there
1331
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.399
were so many different possibilities for how to record it.
1332
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.359
Yeah, and so in effect, it's where you're standing in
1333
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:39.479
the question you're asking right.
1334
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:41.960
Well, that the claim is is that that scene existed
1335
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.840
with three dimensions worth of information, and the final cut
1336
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.720
of the film was one choice of a traveling path
1337
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:54.159
of a camera of a virtual camera. So effectively we've
1338
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:57.800
been blinded from our fourteen dimensional reality, if I'm correct,
1339
01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:03.039
by the fact that this appears all wheeze as four dimensions.
1340
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.520
So if you imagine that you're in a let's say
1341
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:09.680
you're in a submarine and you've got a periscope. The
1342
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.920
periscope is a device from taking data from the above
1343
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:17.520
the surface world and creating a two dimensional image that
1344
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:19.640
you can see, so you can point out a polar bear,
1345
01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:23.239
maybe there's an orchi dorsal fin and there's a ice
1346
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:27.359
glacier calving or whatever. All of those things are choices
1347
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.720
about how to point the periscope. We don't know what's
1348
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.560
making this choice effectively, but I believe that what's going
1349
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:36.560
on is that you and I are dancing in fourteen
1350
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:42.880
dimensions and we're taking some four dimensional slice and saying
1351
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:43.840
that's reality.
1352
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:49.479
And is that because of our limited visual and sensory apparatus.
1353
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:52.479
I don't think so. I think it's fundamentally, it's.
1354
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:54.119
Fundamental mat So what I'm saying is.
1355
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.840
That we are the composite of a four and a
1356
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:01.680
fourteen dimensional space.
1357
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:02.880
We are a composite of that.
1358
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:05.880
But then, first of all, when I say we, I'm
1359
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.439
there's a general issue that I have with physics which
1360
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.199
I don't know how to get around, which is that
1361
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:15.199
I believe that we get very narcissistic when it comes
1362
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.920
to physics. We want physics to be about us at
1363
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:22.239
a deep level, and I see no indication that physics
1364
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:26.000
is about us. So we experience it, we are made
1365
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.600
of it. It is everything that we know, but it
1366
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:35.840
doesn't seem to deeply care about us. And so what
1367
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:40.159
I'm claiming is that the mathematics that lead to this world.
1368
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:45.560
As I understand it, it starts off with four dimensions,
1369
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.199
but with no rulers, no protractors, and no watches. And
1370
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:52.239
then it grows the space of all possible rulers, watches,
1371
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:59.479
and protractors. So four begets fourteen out of itself. So
1372
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.640
I call this indogenous dimensions. It's not extra dimensions you're
1373
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.079
slapping on. The four dimensions contain the blueprint for the fourteen.
1374
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:07.199
So think about it.
1375
01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:09.479
It's almost a model for the fourteen.
1376
01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:14.520
Would you say that a fertilized egg is almost a
1377
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.079
model for a blastosphere? And then would you say that
1378
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:19.640
a blastosphere is.
1379
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.079
Yeah, that's a Well, it's a little bit like I
1380
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:25.119
could take a piano and scatter it on the ground
1381
01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:27.800
and call it a piano. Technically it is, but it's
1382
01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:32.880
not until it's just it's in its form and it
1383
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:34.199
knows how to be touched the right way.
1384
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.359
I guess there's very few things that construct themselves.
1385
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:41.039
Yes, that's right.
1386
01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:45.600
Aerosol said that if something about if wood making was
1387
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:49.960
in nature, then ships would occur in nature. I mean,
1388
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.000
if the wood making was inherent to the wood, then
1389
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:55.039
ships would exist.
1390
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.199
Well, this is why the unmoved mover is like a
1391
01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:01.359
boundary condition, right, And so what I'm claiming is I'm
1392
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:04.000
not here to solve or try to solve, or pretend
1393
01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:06.479
to solve. Why is there something rather than nothing that's
1394
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.479
way above my pay grade? My quest was, what is
1395
01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:15.520
the minimal something that one has to assume to get everything?
1396
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:17.880
What is the minimal something?
1397
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:22.119
Yes, the minimal something appears to be four degrees of freedom,
1398
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:29.399
so roughly speaking, treble, mid base and reverb or salty, sweet,
1399
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.720
sour and bitter. Any four degrees of freedom, you know,
1400
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.319
let's get more john on a little bit less ringo.
1401
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:38.840
Isn't that sort of Francis Bacon's thing? Though?
1402
01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:43.199
Wasn't Bret Bacon's contribution the idea that you can understand
1403
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.199
the universe using models, using rudimentary models. So if this
1404
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:49.159
works this way on this small scale, that's probably how
1405
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:52.880
the entire universe works. I mean, wasn't that the beginning
1406
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:53.039
of that?
1407
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:58.960
Or is that? Am I off? I don't really know? Okay, good, good, Eric,
1408
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.840
I'll educate you. Francis Bacon. But models models is a
1409
01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:06.520
jew I have to avoid me. And that's a good point.
1410
01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:11.199
But modeling and models, oh, it's delicious, it's very Listen,
1411
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:12.960
I'm going to force some bacon down you throw. I'll
1412
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.199
disguise as a sushi, you know.
1413
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:23.399
But that's that's uh, that is sort of You've got
1414
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:26.399
to start with a model to explain how the rest
1415
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:27.840
of the whole shebang works.
1416
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:28.600
It's all we have.
1417
01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:35.319
Well to be blunt about it. I don't know where
1418
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:36.720
this is going to end up. Assume that I've made
1419
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:40.239
a terrible, catastrophic error and I'm boring your audience with
1420
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:46.159
what is effectively a bizarre ahab like tale of chasing
1421
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:50.920
a whale. You know. Then it's interesting because it's interesting
1422
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:54.159
that a guy can spend forty years avoiding all sorts
1423
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.960
of things that would have brought, you know, much more
1424
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.520
advantage to his family just to do this. Let's assume
1425
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:04.319
for the moment that it's actually sane. I don't think
1426
01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:11.319
there's a comparable experience. Most things have a precedent, So
1427
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.520
you'll notice that nobody searches for land masses anymore. It
1428
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.560
was very interesting that in Gilligan's Island, the theme song says,
1429
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.119
the ship sunk ground on the shores of this uncharted
1430
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:26.159
desert isle. What do you mean uncharted desert Isle. So
1431
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:29.680
the last land mass? I love this question, and maybe
1432
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.399
I've used it on podcasts before, but do you know
1433
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:33.199
what the last land mass to be found was?
1434
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:34.000
I don't think so.
1435
01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:37.199
And that interesting question. Do you know when? I mean?
1436
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.760
My guess would be something like Antarctica, which is an ocean.
1437
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:48.039
Early twentieth century. Yeah, and it's some island, some sizable
1438
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:49.760
island off the coast of Siberia.
1439
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:50.479
Yeah.
1440
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:55.359
So certain games come to an end. Nobody thinks I
1441
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.840
am going to be the first person to find new
1442
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:05.720
land on Earth. This hasn't happened yet. One of the
1443
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.880
problems with coming up trying to do a theory of everything,
1444
01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:13.159
which again is not a theory of everything. The technical
1445
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:18.600
trade name theory of everything refers to a complete set
1446
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:21.960
of rules for the universe, not a knowledge of what
1447
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:24.800
can be done with those rules. So imagine that you're
1448
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:30.840
learning chess by observing people and you've never seen, for example,
1449
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:36.439
a an ompissant move. You know, wait a minute, I
1450
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.640
didn't know that the pond could do that. And then
1451
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:40.039
you try it again, You're like, no, no, no, it
1452
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:43.439
only can do that if it hasn't moved previously, or
1453
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.800
something like this, then you see castling like what is
1454
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:50.319
up with this crazy stuff? And then you see somebody, uh,
1455
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.359
you know, game time out because two people haven't captured
1456
01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:55.159
a piece and they've just been chasing each other around
1457
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:58.079
the chessboard. So you learn more and more rules, and
1458
01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.239
they get more and more exotic as you go out.
1459
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.039
When you finally know the last rule of chess, so
1460
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.960
that you're not going to be surprised, every top player
1461
01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:12.640
knows all the rules of chess, and there are even
1462
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:14.119
these things I don't know if you ever know about
1463
01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:17.560
chess jokes. Chess jokes are when there's a badly specified
1464
01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.840
rule and somebody will make up a position to show
1465
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:25.000
that that rule isn't clear enough. When you finally know
1466
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:26.920
all the rules of chess, you have a theory of
1467
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.560
everything for chess. It doesn't mean you can play chess
1468
01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:33.840
at all, and you might be lousy, but at least
1469
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:36.880
you're not going to be surprised. Wait, you move two
1470
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:38.560
pieces at once, Well, that's just castling.
1471
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:41.680
In fighting that they talk about that like a veteran
1472
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.960
seen all the looks he's seen every look Like you've
1473
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.359
got your trips, you've got your judo, you've got your sambo.
1474
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:50.359
You've got your greco, you've got your freestyle wrestling, you've
1475
01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:52.640
got your striking, you've got your kicking. You know, you've
1476
01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:56.239
got your muy Thai, you've got your Dutch kickboxing. You've
1477
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:58.800
seen a lot of looks. You're not going to fool
1478
01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:00.199
a veteran, not all that fancy.
1479
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:01.560
It isn't going to work well.
1480
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:05.560
But look, it doesn't mean to be a champion, but you.
1481
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:08.880
Can highly unlikely, but imagine that somebody says, oh, you've
1482
01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:13.840
never seen the spinning nose before, you've seen elbows. Yeah, yeah, no,
1483
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:15.840
it's a gopher broke move. It's very very rare.
1484
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:19.520
That's right, right, It's called the woodpecker exactly.
1485
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:23.760
Yeah, So don't tell me. We got to wrap this up,
1486
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.640
but I could talk forever. You should do that, I mean,
1487
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.039
because I want to get you know, because you said
1488
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.439
a long time ago to me, you teased me and ruin,
1489
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:39.279
You ruined the whole evening. We're having dinner, and uh, well, Eric,
1490
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.039
what's your theory or anything? And you said something like, well,
1491
01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.520
singularity might already be here, we might already be rep
1492
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:46.920
self represented machine.
1493
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.159
With all due respect, you are conflating many dinners you're
1494
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:55.800
turning me into Look, whenever you invite Eric, it's thirty
1495
01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:00.560
minutes of heavy depression and then he's exiting. Yeah, I'm
1496
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.279
comforted enough. You're always.
1497
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:06.399
I've never had you go to dinner where my guests
1498
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.279
didn't say, I want more of that guy.
1499
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:16.640
So you're very kind. Let's have another session where we
1500
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:21.279
actually talk more about this thing. What it's import is,
1501
01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:25.920
I'm sorry if I was digressive. I would like to
1502
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.439
just say one thing, which is that both you and
1503
01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:36.680
I have talked about feeling that neither the Democratic machinery
1504
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:42.600
nor the Trump machinery represents most Americans and what most
1505
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:47.640
people want for the country, ourselves and our future. And
1506
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:52.079
I just think it's very dangerous that in part whatever
1507
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:56.399
just happened politically polarized the country to such an extent
1508
01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:04.199
that that shared concept of America is almost nowhere to
1509
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:07.600
be found, because these sort of two camps drain all
1510
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:11.239
of the oxygen in the room from anything moderate and
1511
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:16.800
decent that isn't focused on some sort of purity whatever,
1512
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.039
And that right now you and I are leae sort
1513
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:23.199
of in a world in which the podcasting thing that
1514
01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:30.239
we both do is playing an outsized role. Very helpful
1515
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:35.319
for correcting the systemic distortions of mainstream and legacy media,
1516
01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:44.159
but incredibly dangerous in terms of not presenting the forefront
1517
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.760
of thought that effectively, you'll have choices that we make.
1518
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:50.600
And you know, one of the things that I see
1519
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:52.720
and you see is that we know tons of people
1520
01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:55.560
who are super interesting that aren't on the podcast circuit,
1521
01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:57.840
with points of view that, if they were on the
1522
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:02.000
podcast circuit, you know, might chain the world. But by
1523
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.159
virtue of the fact that you see the same people
1524
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:07.359
interviewed over and over again and on the same topics,
1525
01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.359
somehow somebody has to figure out how to use podcasting
1526
01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:16.600
to explore the great unspoken for.
1527
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:18.359
That's the goal.
1528
01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:20.760
Yeah, that's what I want to do. I'd love to
1529
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.680
do it with you, you know, because your guidance would
1530
01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:26.079
be you know, it's not guidance.
1531
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.199
We're two guys fumbling around. I mean. One of the
1532
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.399
things that I just very much appreciate is that when
1533
01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:33.199
I moved back to Los Angeles after thirty seven years away,
1534
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:35.720
you took it on yourself to be the one man
1535
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.119
welcoming committee. And one of the things that you wanted
1536
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:42.880
to indicate to me is just how intellectually dynamic that
1537
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.279
supposedly vapid City is, which is an old belief of
1538
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.840
mine that basically it's posing as the entertainment capital, but
1539
01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:52.840
entertainment has to hire all sorts of geeks to get
1540
01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:57.840
everything right. Plus it's an aerospace city built on an
1541
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:01.760
oil field, and people just don't see the actual city
1542
01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:06.920
that has Caltech UCLA and all of these just wonders here.
1543
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.840
So it would be great fun to explore that with you.
1544
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:14.159
I agree with Eric because I think the liability of
1545
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:19.000
podcasts is that it's very hard for a regular comedian,
1546
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.159
whoever it might be, myself and everything, to know when
1547
01:28:22.239 --> 01:28:29.520
they're being fed a lie or something that's been rebutted
1548
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:35.159
by the mass consensus of science or whatever it might be.
1549
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:38.479
So you allow that person to continue to talk after
1550
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:44.119
they've made a claim, and we kind of accept that
1551
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.439
claim without saying, hey, I know about this, Sorry, I
1552
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.880
got to stop you. Where'd you come up with that conclusion? Well,
1553
01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:54.760
that bucks against everything, and that's where expertise actually does matter.
1554
01:28:54.960 --> 01:29:01.600
Well, and just to riff, there's that. But now there's
1555
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:04.960
like a new, really significant problem that I don't know
1556
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:10.039
how to discuss, which is experts have allowed themselves to
1557
01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:16.560
lie in relatively narrow areas. Of consequence, and the finding
1558
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.279
out that experts have this division between the esoteric and
1559
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:23.479
the exoteric. The exoteric is what they show the world,
1560
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:27.000
and the esoteric is what they privately believe. So, for example,
1561
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:33.439
scientists who were focused on COVID exoterically did not contradict
1562
01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:38.479
the public health apparatus, and in particular the attempt to
1563
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:42.880
localize the origin of COVID to the wet market rather
1564
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:48.039
than to the one institute of virology. Why because in general,
1565
01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:53.199
everybody knew that their funding was potentially dependent on them
1566
01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:57.199
falling in line. So you have these experts who are
1567
01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:02.720
made precarious. There's a fad for saying, oh, a bunch
1568
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:05.079
of cowards. Okay, well, if you're willing to take your
1569
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.560
kids out of school and to not make your mortgage
1570
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:12.199
payments like these boys do not play nice and they
1571
01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:14.840
don't mess around, they will just destroy your life and
1572
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:18.840
your ability to function. And what we've done is we've
1573
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:24.039
allowed our scientists to lie to the public in a
1574
01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:27.800
very narrow area to support the sort of out of
1575
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:32.439
control national security complex or this very large agreements on
1576
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:35.760
public health and all of these things and in that world,
1577
01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:40.279
we don't realize. No, the experts are much less confused,
1578
01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:45.119
but they are being squeezed. You don't realize how precarious
1579
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:50.760
a virologists is. And by making our scientific class, which
1580
01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:56.640
I considered to be our deadly ninja priests, precarious, they
1581
01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:59.560
are no longer able to serve the public interest. What
1582
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.840
we've done right now with the Trump people coming in
1583
01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:07.079
is that they have the attitude of what scientists. Well,
1584
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:12.920
Fauci showed us that science is bullshit, and I mean,
1585
01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:17.920
it's a tremendous amount of baby and very little bathwater.
1586
01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:21.560
And do I agree that the bath water is feted
1587
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:27.079
and horrific. Yeah, it's terrible. And the way that you
1588
01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:31.039
got there is that you allowed previous administrations to make
1589
01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:34.319
science a worse and worse and worse career path for
1590
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:38.319
Americans who would stand up, who would be courageous, and
1591
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:40.439
who would say no. And so one of the things
1592
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:44.840
that I'm dying to do is to stop the idea
1593
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.880
that either there's no problem with our experts. Clearly there's
1594
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:54.600
a problem with our experts. And the issue of are
1595
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:57.800
there no experts? Are you stupid? Do you really believe
1596
01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.960
there are no experts. You really believe that wealth and
1597
01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:05.399
power doesn't get the best diagnostician when a family member
1598
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:09.039
is sick. Do you not believe that these guys know
1599
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:13.560
who to hire if their family member is kidnapped overseas? Yeah,
1600
01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:16.479
there are experts everywhere, and you have a claim on
1601
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:20.359
them as an ordinary podcast listener, And you're being driven
1602
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.199
to hate your own experts who serve you so that
1603
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:27.039
you will punish them and punish them, and then they
1604
01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:28.760
will just say, screw the pots.
1605
01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:29.680
But I'm worried about them.
1606
01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:30.079
Yeah, I know.
1607
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:33.479
I'm worried about the demonization of big pharma. Big Pharma
1608
01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:36.520
is they do a lot of things that are unethical.
1609
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.600
But you got to know you can't attack these things
1610
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:43.199
with a blunt instrument. You need to know how these
1611
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:46.000
things these You need to know how the US government
1612
01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:49.239
actually works. It's a very complicated organism. So you can
1613
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.079
take a sledgehammer to it. Yeah, you might be getting
1614
01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:55.239
rid of some very important stuff. I don't want to
1615
01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:57.760
get rid of the Department of Energy. They've got sciences
1616
01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:00.439
that track the weapons grade uranium.
1617
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:03.239
It's not the Department of Energy, it's the Department of Physics.
1618
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:06.520
And we call it the Department of Energy because Carter
1619
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:08.880
I think created it out of the AEC.
1620
01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:10.720
Pretty much a political people.
1621
01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.039
Well, and then we put somebody who having you know,
1622
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:18.119
gender dysphoria issues in charge of our nuclear waste, which
1623
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:22.680
was a disaster, and that means that criminal exactly. Well,
1624
01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:24.560
when you when you have to, you can't just go
1625
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:26.520
and buy women's clothes as a dude.
1626
01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:27.760
You can't wear on the internet.
1627
01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:30.760
You have to steal him from from baggage care yourself.
1628
01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:35.000
But look, you know another thing that we have a
1629
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.399
friend that we mutually love in Joe, and my feeling
1630
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:42.479
is that it's now gotten to a point where Joe
1631
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:47.119
has to take responsibility for how powerful he's become. And
1632
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:50.199
I don't think he likes that because he still identifies
1633
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:53.640
as the guy who just makes fart jokes into a webcam,
1634
01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:56.279
which is how he got his start. So he built
1635
01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.119
this thing from nothing, and now he's inherited responsibility that
1636
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:01.680
I don't think that he wants.
1637
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.920
I feel that way about like Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg,
1638
01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:07.000
who we're just trying to figure out a way to
1639
01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:09.079
get people to communicate and stuff, and all of a
1640
01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:13.279
sudden we're saying, hey, you're causing the people in Burma,
1641
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:18.279
the Rohingar being massacred using your Facebook technology by spreading
1642
01:34:18.359 --> 01:34:21.119
false stories. Well, what's your safety team going to do
1643
01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:22.880
about any right?
1644
01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:26.840
Same thing, same thing with Sam Altman, all of these people,
1645
01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:30.560
and and but in our situation, you know, one of
1646
01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:32.880
the things that I think is really important is that
1647
01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:36.159
sometimes Joe pushes back on me slightly when I'm not around.
1648
01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:40.079
He's always very kind, but I think that we have
1649
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:45.000
to figure out some better way of adjudicating what's serious
1650
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.000
and what is it. So, for example, the reason I
1651
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:50.920
did the Terrence Howard thing is that Terrence Howard has
1652
01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:56.319
one incontrovertible genius level contribution to me, you know, and
1653
01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:58.359
I was happy to take. If he didn't, I wouldn't
1654
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:02.760
have done it right. But I was kind of just shocked,
1655
01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:05.960
Like I said, you know in this thread, Hey, can
1656
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:07.920
you guys check out? Like the biggest thing in forty
1657
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.279
years has happened to me and there wasn't that much interest.
1658
01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:15.039
Now you have a situation in which whatever Joe finds
1659
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:20.760
fanciful or interesting that day has an outsized influence. And
1660
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.680
I'm struggling with this myself. You know, I have focused
1661
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.800
on all sorts of ways in which heterodoxy actually has
1662
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:29.239
a really good point. And now I've got a bunch
1663
01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:31.680
of people in power. Previously that I was talking to
1664
01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:36.319
a lot my friends, I think still who are not
1665
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:41.560
being informed by our best understanding of the world. That effectively,
1666
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:46.840
this is broken into loyalty clusters. Are you loyal to MAGA?
1667
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:51.840
Are you loyal to DEI? And my feeling is, as
1668
01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:55.600
an American, we're not in America until I don't have
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to kiss a ring and I don't have to bend
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to me, and I don't have to pretend that I
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can't see what I can see, and I'm not.
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You said, the strength of America is being able to
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give you your leaders the finger.
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Yes, and in my opinion, it's much better. There's no
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reason to give a lead to the finger who says,
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here's the plan, here's what I think we're going to do.
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We need strong leadership. I need to hear now from
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the dissenting voices, what do you have? I'm not seeing that.
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And this is terrifying to me. If dissent is not
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a part of MAGA, we're toast because descent cannot be
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allowed inside of DEI. Both of these things are in
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danger of becoming authority cults.
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Well, well, that's right, I mean loyalty. When loyalty is everything,
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you're not going to get your what you're going to do.
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If you're a ruler who demands total and complete loyalty,
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you're going to create a circle of liars around yourself.
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And partially what we're seeing is we're seeing the emergers
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of an idea that in order to show your freedom
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in the new world, you should find something taboo to
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do repeatedly. So the most mild form of this is
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to use the word retarded every four seconds. And the
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much more disturbing thing is that you dip into Nazi
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ideology and you say, you know, there's a lot of
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great stuff in there that we've forgotten, like Carl Schmidt's
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Friend Enemy dynamics, And the idea is that we need
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to keep people permanently polarized all the time, up down,
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friend or enemy, left, right, no gray area. This is
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a terrifying development, it is.
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And if you don't know how that repackaged terrible idea
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manifests itself, then you need to pick up a history book.
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But nobody has the attention span. And even then it's
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like who's history you know, and all this stuff. So
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01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:01.239
it's a big problem. I wonder if you and I
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could figure out a way to push back on that
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a little.
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Bit, or to try to explore a different paradigm whereby,
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like I don't view you as highly political, I don't
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view myself as trying.
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To stay responsible to the evidence.
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Just I try, just try.
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I have my bias, but I try.
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And you screw up, as do I. And so my
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01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:24.760
feeling is is that we need we need to model
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something new in podcast space, and I don't exactly know what,
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01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:30.680
but i'd i'd be willing to give it a try
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with you. I would be so honest, I'd be honest
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to you.
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I mean, just doing this, I could do this all day.
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I love it.
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I love it, and I really appreciate you coming out
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and doing this. I know you have to get you
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to your kickboxing class, and I don't want to take
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time away from that.
1724
01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:45.159
Why are you laughing?
1725
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:48.600
Pardon me nothing, I've given up on Muay Thai years.
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01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:50.439
Oh you did? Oh? Absolutely, Okay.
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Now it's just jiu jitsu. Now it's just grappling or.
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01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:56.520
Is it dance? Yeah, it's violent ballet.
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01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:59.119
It's violent ballet. I forgot about that. You should see
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01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:03.560
his touria te. It ends with a wheel kick. It's fascinating.
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Seventh position.
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I gave it away. This is we do this stuff underground.
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You guys are in privy to that kind of stuff.
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Bran, thanks for having me.
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I just want more always, and your theory of everything
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is well. I'm looking forward to, you know, to be continued,
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to be contintured, to