Ep. 83 Drum Roll Please ft Frank Zambrano

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[SPEAKER_00]: your personality will get you farther than your talent will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'm the best drummer alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I have gotten gigs over people that are way better drummers than me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why I've gotten those gigs is because I'm a better hang.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're cooler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't come in with an ego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always just like whatever you need to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, yo, yo, nothing's normal podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's your whole spit-inx.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gadget would have another episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't said that in a little while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt weird, not saying it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I felt good saying it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm smiling today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always smiling when I get up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sounds cliche.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I say the same thing every episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very special episode today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got interest in story two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How this episode even came in the fruition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we get into him,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into our shoutouts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to GBA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Tails been on a roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huddies, it just told me the T-shirt is on deck, socks, headbands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, if you need something for your pet goal fish, I'm sure he can get you together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out the polymath, but with that being said enough about us, let's give more talk Yes, why got sin to the left, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How you doing man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who you got of shenanigans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Frank Zimbrano.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Frank's in Brando town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, there's a Brando Frank's in Brando Frank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a common.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Italian?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Francis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people call me Frankie, but you know depends because I know guy's name Frankie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Francis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like Franklin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, not only.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Franklin the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the turtle love that dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love that dude, but that's not me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. Over here, Frank, we just have this small policy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't like to start our stories on page 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We like to start in the beginning of the story to give you a view as a better idea to who to what, the win, the how, which leads to the why today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that being said, Frank, what are you from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm from Elmtrud, New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's a nice, that's a village.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a village.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a village.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Takes a village.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're specifically, when we don't need, you know, Yeah, address, but we're specifically in Elmford, Did you grow up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up kind of close to the high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of close to Hamilton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they don't know about me is like, my house was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: couple miles that way so it was like on a cup so you know all my friends just to make fun like oh yeah yeah that's the alms for but it was greenberg you know the greenberg school district that's dope yep over there and alms for uh what was the household looking like for frank man my I'm dad so I got mom dad and older sister she's five years older than me oh beautiful and I'm I'm the youngest so
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[SPEAKER_00]: talk about being a youngest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you, you know, were you writing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you the writing one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I a little Frankie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I had, I have my moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in today's society a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, the, the households are often imbalanced, the scales of the household is usually people who are missing who's supposed to be around or not involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That dynamic of having that family, that family structure, did you notice like a change in how you grew up versus, you know, your peers or schoolmates that necessarily didn't have that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know I don't know if I ever really thought about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting like I know that like having an older sister for example That definitely like set me up for success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like wow because like she Really like instilled some some values in me that I feel like if I had like an older brother or younger sister even that wouldn't have gotten
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[SPEAKER_00]: to elaborate or just maybe one, one thing you learn for, give us one thing you learn from your sister that she actually sat down and told you and then something that you learn just watching one thing is literally like, you know, how to just talk to people, you know, because like she's older than, you know, she five years older than me, I was in seventh grade, she was the senior in high school, you know, so like literally just how to not be
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had not be rude, I had not be weird around people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How to talk to girls, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about something that maybe you just learned by watching her movements?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something that you just picked up from her that she didn't even tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe something she doesn't even know today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how to talk to my parents, how to figure them out and how to approach situations with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, were you like the kid that, you know, would last you out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Were you the last outer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I was the last outer, but I was definitely like, you know, at a little bit of a temper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like I definitely just like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just definitely had like more quirks about me as a kid, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a lot of things going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any pets, ma'am?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a goldfish that I wanted a carnival that I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, I think it was your way of playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I had, my sister and I had a hamster, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those aren't like typical pets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for me, I had all those pens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, like you hid dog cats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hamster, you know, you don't really hid too much about hamsters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you need to sell those things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hamsters, are they still out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're still around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I want me to hamster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't do a dog or a cat because my parents didn't want a dog or a cat running around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also both my sister and I were allergic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, and I, OK, and what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we would need a high-ballot or giant one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we would do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that worth it, and that worth it, and that worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could remember,
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Frank was a kid, what was the first thing you wanted to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, first thing I wanted to be, I think it was a comedian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got like the Jimmy Fallon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my dad would always have like, sign felled on, you know, in the house and like, I always loved comedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought like, oh yeah, I'm gonna write my own jokes and everything and then I quickly discovered that wasn't me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: did you actually go through it it like no yeah I did one open mic in college and then I was like another saying it okay wow interesting how was our franking in school system uh balance for school just good good good school district yeah you know you know how how were you in school any struggles
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[SPEAKER_00]: Struggles, yeah, Struggles was definitely like science, social studies, and then like also just like I was also a big kid, so like I did not have a lot of friends growing up and also I was the band geek, you know, okay, oh, even so back then you played, we're going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, how so when you say the band geek, there's a lot of different instruments, you know, with with with with your preference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a percussionist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's the first time I've actually heard that term actually, so you're not a drummer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I do both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see that word again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Percussionist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So drummer deals mainly with drum, drum set and back then I only dealt with just percussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I first started with drums, I just did percussion, which is basically like which is basically just like snare drum, bass drum, tambourine, timpani, you know, all the little bells and whistles like the tiny auxiliary instruments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, how would you when you got into that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how does one just get right into ban?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where does that even, where's the ban?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just to be come from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no one in my family plays an instrument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My parents still to this day are trying to figure out where that gene came from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How old were you when you got introduced?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was... How old are you when you're in third grade?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're third grade or what you're in band?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a third grade in the elementary school district.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to play a recorder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like the lower-winged plastic recording.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how could I respond to that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yep, yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone had to play a play recorder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end of the year, you take a proficiency test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you pass it, then you get to be in band the next year and fourth grade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you pick whatever instrument you want to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you made that your goal and in third grade you said this is what I'm gonna do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be on a band next year Yeah, my mom saw that I was really really into the recorder and like I was really into music And I told her I want to be in band right and my mom's like strict old-school Italian mother And she's like she's like okay, that's fine, but you pick whatever instrument you want I don't care but the only thing is
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[SPEAKER_00]: you are going to carry your own instrument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will not be carrying it for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I was like, okay, okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I looked at the supply list for all the instruments, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that one has a case, that one has a case, that one has a case, that one has a case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I looked at drums percussion, and it was a practice pad about this big, okay, not, not big whatsoever, a book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a pair of drumsticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, that's light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could put that on my book bag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So literally it was just like, this is the most convenient instrument for me to carry around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm going to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it ended up being something that, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Do you remember your first band teacher?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Miss Allison Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I listen, shout out to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll only be in teachers throughout your lifetime of studying this instrument.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you say has had the most impact on you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most impact on your style, from your style, or you're understanding of a percussionist?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say my college professor, Dr. Julie LaCotta,
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[SPEAKER_01]: was something that separates her from the rest of your influences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't sugarcoat anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't sugarcoat anything with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She gave it to me straight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we also had a great mutual respect for each other and like relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, like, during my lessons, if I messed up, she would laugh at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would be like, out of love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, and it was like, it was very playful, and I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but also when I needed help and she knew that, she'd like really, really helped to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I, I get to see her once every, like, once every year, once every two years because she lives out in Ohio now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's just phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The impact she's had on my life is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure she gazes at you as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, wow, look at my little friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at my Frankie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing it, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, mm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when did you would you so now okay fourth grade you make the band now you're on the band yep okay so when it comes to being in the band on the band like what do you guys have competitions like how does it how does it work now as far as you know that activities in this far as being in the band besides it's just practicing like what's the goal when you're on the band
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so when you're in band at Grady, it was just basically like you did concerts every, you know, a few months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So our band teacher, she would give us a bunch of songs and we would have band practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: three days a week, I believe, in the mornings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we would also get pulled out of class for like a half an hour, just to do like private lessons as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The teachers didn't like it, but of course I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need him to take his his five his exams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's final.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, they're like, they're like, sorry, he needs to go do 30 minutes of drums.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting though, because that just goes to show you how, like, the universe, I'm heavy, heavy into, you know, just universal law and energy and things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody would say he's a fool for not necessarily forgetting ripped out academics to do this hobby when this is, this is your career now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say was your toughest moment in band up and before you are professional?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, toughest moment in band, like while I was still like in the great, well, that go now, we can, the timeline varies up until you, because when you're in high school, you're not a professional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with DMU as a professional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's by career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I could call you a musician, but, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you obviously still in school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was saying, you know, up until you're amateur career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You became a professional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to get tough as moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was tough about band.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was tough about band was the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess basically teaching others, you know, like I didn't think that I was a good teacher and I always got very overwhelmed in Mac and elementary school high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got really overwhelmed really easily and like I was very shy kid back then to
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I had a lot of responsibility on me because I was always given the hardest parts in the in band.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, they were like, Frank, you need to play snare drum or Frank, you need to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I was like, okay, and like I can do that, but then there, you know, people that were a little bit, you know, behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would need, like, the responsibility would fall on me because my band director would be, you know, consumed with so much other stuff, they'd be like, Frank, can you please, like, help them, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, helping others was really hard for me at the time, because in my head, I'm like, just read the notes on the page, do it, but, you know, not everyone works like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I really had to, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of figure out a way to help everyone and have us all work together to that end goal of playing the song, how it's meant to be played.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always like to get into the mental process, especially if those in your position, because it's multifaceted, any sport, anything, when you're good at something, people expect, just because you can do something, as I mean, you can teach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two, just because you're good at something, like you said, it comes with a lot of responsibility,
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[SPEAKER_01]: people in your position shed enough light on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, because a lot of people want these spots, I want the Nick Cannon role to be able to be able to put the notes in front you got to be able to put it in the work as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now, you know, that position can break people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you might not even have what it takes to be consumed with that amount of pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad when you got to speak on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's dope at what point how would you when you realized like you were gonna be a musician for the rest of it like this is what you're doing like I want to say I was probably about like
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15 or 16 that like I knew that not necessarily wanted to be a musician but I wanted my career to do something with music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what exactly like whether that was playing drums or being a producer or sound engineering or or what I knew I just wanted to do something with music as my life career as my job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I met Drew, like I said, we met at a board of education vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I send you to speak into teachers who still work there, which, you know, like I said, which caught my eye, you were a teacher, eventually, huh?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did end up becoming a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you teach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I taught private drum lessons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it has what's that part you had to just that something you had to go to college for and I mean we got to go to college Yeah, so funny enough like the major so I had a weird college journey because I went to three colleges
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started at Mercy College.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What a nice job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was a music music technology, music industry major because I when I was a senior in high school, I thought I wanted to be a music producer because I was big into EDM, electronic music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, I want to DJ all the music festivals like Ultra tomorrow, and EZoo, all these, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Steve Aoki, like those guys were my idols.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I quickly realized, once I was there, that I sucked at producing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just terrible at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not have the Mac for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is not it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the sound engineering part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being in the studio every day was really, really cool and getting to learn all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I know how to like, my good drum set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to, you know, EQ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to mix live, you know, like, that was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I transferred out of there after a year and a half because my music theory professor there, he walks up to me, he's like, hey man, what are you doing here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what do you mean, I'm here for your class?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, I mean, why are you at this school?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you in this program?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should be playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should be performing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to like, you need to transfer out and go to another school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the entire the entirety of his class that day I was on my laptop looking at other schools and he knew that
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[SPEAKER_01]: He encouraged that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He encouraged like that, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He encouraged him to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you respectfully don't belong here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that takes a lot of humility to even say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it will be easy for him to find a way to manipulate you into whatever way could have benefited him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the professor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But don't stay at he's seen something different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shout out to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I transferred out of Mercy when to, uh, Westchester Community College.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to WCC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got my associates in the, the one semester I was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the WCC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to WCC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then transferred out of there and I went to SUNY O'Neon to upstate okay and I got my bachelor's in music there okay and I was there for two years during COVID which was crazy on nightmare yeah up in the mountains during COVID so and it's my COVID experience I remember when you was there
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so I never thought that I was going to be a teacher ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not on the horizon at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just so happened that this job, this teaching job kind of fell into my lap, because I got asked to do a middle school high school musical production at this school in Katona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I went in, played the show, and was talking to the guy who runs the arts program there, and he was like, hey man, do you teach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have an opening for a drum teacher, and I was like, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why don't you come in next week and do some trial lessons?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not go to school for teaching, but like, I, you know, natural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I felt like, you know, let's try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I hate it, I hate it, but I ended up loving it and like teaching high school specifically and like middle school, I feel like I can relate more to those kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're closer to my agent and like I can just I can talk to them, you know, just like how you and I are talking right now, I can just talk to them like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like we have this mutual level of respect to each other, you know, like none of the kids tried to act like they were better than me They knew my age, but I was like, hey, like I'm you guys might know my You got my set of sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is on the teacher here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all got it respect me still hundreds of percent So yeah Okay, wow, wow, wow, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like because this is like you have like it'll be a random conversation That I just lead to a lifetime opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like if that's even cow like it's just casual
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just chilling up here going to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, why are you here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, good question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Threw now I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, you should just come be the direct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a jumps opening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do the, hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I got a career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's full optimism, but it just goes to show you like this really no path, there's no road map.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's map is different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to the same place, different ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So eventually, like I said, you eventually come back home to now on for school district and teach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about that process and how that was walking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I miss her in the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was your old teachers just speaking to you as a student.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your creative process like when you compose in music, whether you're memorizing somebody else's music or do you create your own sound?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't create my own music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about it, but I don't know if I haven't had any ideas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had any ideas come to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was SpongeBob.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if it was Beethoven, he was playing, but it was like nothing but chaos, like sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's throwing stuff and the couches of breaking and veases of breaking and glass and shattering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time he's done, he has a masterpiece and it's just like it's heaven sent to the eardrums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like in that process of chaos, the sounds that you it's just, I don't know if I'm having all the time you've put it into words as far as
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, what's your process like as far as like even when you memorize when you in that zone?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like stress-based at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, depending on the deadline, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, depending on the deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, I remember I got asked to play with a band, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had maybe three weeks to learn about 25 songs and memorize it too, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My Spotify just became all of that all of those songs, just the listening listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like as a drummer, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to read music, but I also know how to listen by ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like you can play a song for me and give me, you know, enough time, I can figure it out without needing to read sheet music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can just listen and figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For drums specifically, I'm listening for each individual instrument of the drum set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm listening for the bass drum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening for the snare drum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening for the high hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening to see what each of those instruments are doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then putting that all together, and then maybe writing out a little form like, okay, we're doing this eight times, then we do this part four times, then we repeat this thing two times, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, write that all out and then just memorize it, like you're memorizing, you know, lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you enjoy that process?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a very task oriented person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I have something in front of me that I need to do, it makes my life so simple and it keeps my brain occupied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is a broad for myself and the viewers who just, you hear it, it sounds like, oh yeah, we're going to play in a broad or we're listening to a broad and it's like a lot of people don't even know what a broad means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I never played a broad, but I played on broad way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what is it, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Broadway in New York City is it's a span of about 12 blocks and there's about 40 some odd theaters on these blocks and all these theaters produce either plays or musicals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a full orchestra of musicians that basically play the soundtrack to these shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, so I was one of those musicians as a substitute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did that happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm just walking to down there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that one's so that one's a that one's a longer story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was this program in I want to say summer of 2019 or no, sorry, even prior summer 2017 probably
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this was done at NYU the school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did this program called the NYU Broadway Percussion Seminar and I was always a theater kid like I did the musicals in high school You know, I played drums for one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I acted in one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I did stage crew right did all of that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then my mom would always take my older sister and I had to go see Broadway shows So I always love theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I was like great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can combine these two things I love theater and drums cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I enrolled in this program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a week long and during this program you are given the music from a show on Broadway
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to prepare it and when you go to the program, you play that music on drums in front of the person who actually plays the music on Broadway and then they critique you and then later in the week you get to go watch them play the show from the orchestra pit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, amazing experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 out of 10, like just great, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, so I did that for two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second year I did it, uh, I got assigned this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have heard of called Frozen, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, that's a big show, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I got assigned that show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got, I had to, you know, prepare some of the songs from that show, like let it go, like, you know, everyone knows that song, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I had to prepare some of these songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Frank did this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I prepared it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I got to play it in front of the drummer who actually plays it on Broadway, this guy named Sean McDaniel, and played it for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He liked my playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to go watch him play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also at this same seminar, there was the percussionist from the show Beetlejuice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you ever heard of this, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really a big honor to be a Beetlejuice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we spoke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I met him and I really loved his energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was just kind of chaotic, balls to the wall crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went up to him, I was like, hey, man, can I come and watch you play the show one day?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I live here in New York?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you come next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, great, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went in, I watched him play the show, and he was the percussionist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he wasn't the drummer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, hey man, I know you're more of a drummer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should go talk to this guy Shannon, please be a drummer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I was like, okay, but so I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I made very good friends with Shannon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Shannon let me come back and watch him play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, mind you, this is now 2019 at this point, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's, you know, great friend now, and we go through COVID, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We still maintain this friendship, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Shannon's at this point, he's in his late 60s, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a mentor, to be at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's played with people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he used to be the drummer for like Paul Simon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in a bad mood, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is your mentor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he takes me under his wing and in the winter of 2021, I took a lesson with him because he was still doing beatled juice, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had some of the music from the show and I prepared some of it before I'm I played in front of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hey man, you sound like me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you sound like you know me when I play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, last great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, he's like, you should come
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, so I go and learn the show, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm 22 at this point, I'm a year out of college, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go in and, you know, I sub for him on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like whatever he needed to take a day off, I'd go and play the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't have a clue if it was he.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they wouldn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't know, but the goal is to make it so that, you know, nobody knows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your job as a sub is to be a chameleon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's to make it seem like the guy who normally plays it never left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I was like writing down all of his drum fills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Making sure I was doing everything exactly how he do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People would act particularly with the sound when it can tell, like just because the actors on stage, they're listening for certain things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to make sure it's like exactly how he's doing it because if I sound different, they're going to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's they need to make sure the show is consistent every time it's time for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, so we did that and then there was this other show that came in a year later called Kimberly Akimbo and he asked me to sub for him on that and I did and I sub there for about a year and some change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where has your, where has your, what travels?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where has your plan of drums taken?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're taking, that's a procrastination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where have your travels taken me to 39 out of the 50 states for music?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, would you consider music your life, is it your life style?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just to be on a passion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you are music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's a passion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still a passion, but like, yeah, I mean, like, it's every part of my life, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you like get to the point where, like, why you eat in that the dinner table, you take the fork and the spoon, or you just start laughing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was never like that as fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the kid that, like, you know, took a pencil out and was like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like I was doing I was doing that I was doing beats on the on the desk You know the school, but like I was never banging on pots and pans That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was never that guy But yeah, it's definitely definitely every part of my life now Run through the catalog some some musicals that you played so I did beatle juice I on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did Kimberly a Kimbo on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wrapped up the National tour Kimberly Kimbo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, how was that that was phenomenal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: National tour yep 20 months
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[SPEAKER_01]: You enjoy touring?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love touring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just love this whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to be behind the music type of guy for you to want to know if that channel's a style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just here, you see some of the back stories and it's just like, wow, some of our favorite tours were like, mayhem behind the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, don't want to be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every tour had mayhem, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this tour was like any other job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hising loads ups and downs, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I love the lifestyle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being in a different city every week was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with some of your favorite cities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: National San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, Madison, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's with you like about over there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent $60 on cheese.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a cheese guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what's your favorite kind?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, oh my god, what I had, I had this crazy cheddar over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super sharp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like cheddar, but just not super delicious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was great, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was everything that I had in Wisconsin was like made in Wisconsin, you know, which was really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Madison was my sleeper head at the Torah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some lows about Torah?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get to practice my instrument.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I get to play my children every time you play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because my drums are at the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't just go in and practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then I'm making noise and you know, drums are loud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I'm making noise and annoying everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can sound performing home growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just played in my basement and luckily my parents were super chill about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my mom's my biggest fan, you know, my dad, he was kind of indifferent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My sister, she was like, that's noise, but, you know, of course, I would play when she was in the house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's some of my bands that you like growing up old new?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my sister influenced my music case a lot growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was big and so like pop punk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that might be a little after my time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So is that a genre?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was meaning like specific.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it's like Blink 182.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ding ding ding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's my guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Blink 182, Jimmy World, what else, like all time low, all these like pop punk alternative bands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This might be done a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think after Blink 1-82 I was like a good fuzz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more like Lincoln Park.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure Lincoln Park.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure I said you said Blink 1-some 41.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some 41.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some 41.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This gate What are the bands that I like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some 41 is in so some 41 the the drummer for that band his name is also Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I Frank and he's also a Frank Z.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Frank Zomo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always I always love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was great five out of a band.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's still a band.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I used to cover a lot of their songs Their their music was fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Sunday morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did that with my band in college
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, when it's all set and done, what do you see yourself as a musician that's your peak?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it in for Frankie Z?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where does it end, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, that's an ever-changing answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, I do, I have, I have this series where like, I talk a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I tell them all the time, everyone's version of making it, making it in the industry is completely different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's completely subjective too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Making it is subjective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My version of making it can be different from your version can be different from anyone's version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I don't know, like my right now, my next goal, I want to stay in New York, you know, be grounded in New York after a few years and like actually be able to do music full-time here, if I can, that would be great, but if not, then that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm interested, like, I'm a very optimistic person and like just whatever the future has for me, I'm excited to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean travel to 39 states.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean you just want to stay home, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah for a little bit Absolutely a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm not mad at the guys who don't travel a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably want to go to 39 states sure You know guys who go to 39 states just want to be grounded at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I saw you, like I said, at home, literally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally had only been home for four days at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember that spark that once I heard Broadway and music, I'm huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like sound is his own language in itself, not even words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam, music speaks to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the lyrics may not even resonate with what I'm going through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the sound is what's talking to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have a huge role in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, final words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to tell the world of nothing's normal, man?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is dope, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frankie Z. Yeah, it's smokes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for having me, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One quote that I always love to tell everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this goes for all industries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that your personality will get you farther than your talent will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, and because I believe so because I don't think I'm the best drummer alive I don't strive to be the best drummer alive either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't want to be the best I want to be able to do something with music and pay my bills on time Literally and that's all it is and like that's all it is and like really what it is like I know that I have gotten gigs over people that are way better drummers than me
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why I've gotten those gigs is because I'm a better hang.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're cooler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just they like to work with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't come in with an ego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't come in be in hot head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't act like I know better than them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always just like whatever you need me to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming with my drum set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I can joke around with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can shoot the shit, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, yeah, you can nervous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's still get nervous every now and then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like keeps you balanced, don't you need that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get told.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Final question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is good definition of nothing's normal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You had nothing's normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing's normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally just nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything we do anything we do in life, nothing is normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all do different things and just like what is normal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is normal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it's not my norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's not his norm, it's
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like this would be a dope episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes it happens just like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Energy's his own language in itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt the frequency, because dozens of people had walked by by that time, and I didn't say hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was obviously something sparked me with Frank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he would add a political event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm deferred this thing from a politician.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations to Dr. Phoenix, though, for...
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[SPEAKER_01]: winning or the board of education reason I don't mean I'm not saying that minimize in this week of you know I had a listen I was there for a line for you but shout out to that and I hope you know the plans we spoke about can put in the fruition but this was dope once the next event I do you know when when you plan again because we we need to see you now we're my plan again I'm playing Sunday
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we do need to see where playland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be I'll be a playland throughout the summer so I'll probably see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at Frankie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, certain certain weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Frankie commenza.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get more of your social media as we can find you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at FZMBrando Drums.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's pretty much all I use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, nothing's normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Frank Zembrando, shout out to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was dope, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a legend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's already a legend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, it won't be the last time you see us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta figure something out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Fab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is dope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We signed it out.