Michael Jackson Before the Madness…

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Hello, welcome to you. Not another couple's podcast for this week,
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and I have my normal co presented with me. No
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changes this week again week last week you were here
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just you know, in case people are wondering. They might
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be wondering, they may not be watching, they may just
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or just but you.
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Can see us Facebook. What was before Facebook?
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That was something else but space something.
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Wasn't it go.
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Back in time, way way back in time. Well, we've
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had a little family time. It's been a bank holiday weekend,
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so we've had Amber back for a bit. So we
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took the opportunity to go and see the film that
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seems to be on everybody's watchless at the minute or interests,
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which is Michael Oh Michael Jackson film Filinn had already
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seen it Befair, and he loves it so much to
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watch again. So that was a good sign. So took
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the whole fam And I.
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Love a cinema, but I'm not very good with other people. No,
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there's always someone. We had We had a kid next
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to us who just kept eating and tapping.
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Well, I think also people are used to watching films
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at home more now, like Netflix and stuff, so they
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can just stop, think they can stop and start, and
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they're not in you know, in their own environment. They
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forget that there's other people they've paid shitload of money.
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I just think some people just don't care.
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I mean, there's always been people who don't care, like rustling,
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and I mean, why you have to like have fifty
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thousand snacks in a scenario anyway, I really don't understand.
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But people.
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Half their body weight in popcorn and like snacks. I'm
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like eight, you know, to just sit and eat the
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whole way through. That's what's annoying, eating the noise of
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people rustling packets and eating. Like Flynn kept tonnye your sweet,
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but you do the really quiet bit. I'm like, like
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waiting till there's a noisy bit to like, rustle your packet,
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dance moves away. It was very good.
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Did you like it? I was more impressed. Obviously, we've
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grown up with Michael Jackson and now there's been they
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call biopics, So we've had Elton john We've had Freddie
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Mercury has Johnny Cash. I guess Tina Turner haven't been
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any of so Elton John, Elvis. Elton John is the
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only one that they've done who's still alive. They haven't
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done anyone.
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I've still done when she was alive.
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Okay, I think just I mean it was I was
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so impressed with This was produced by the Jackson's No
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Janet in it, as.
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You Okay, we'll get to that, but I think Janet. Sorry,
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that was produced by a couple of the brothers who
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obviously had major inputs, one probably being Jermaine jux Is.
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His son ja'far plays Michael in it. I mean, there's
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loads of stuff out there on it, but it's so
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there's not gonna be any major spoilers because most people
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know the story, the outline I think of their family
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upbringing and his story. But what I found was, you know,
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we know his father was really controlling and quite abusive
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generally and specifically to him because he was the youngest
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and probably easier to and also the major talent in
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the family, which sort of you know, it's like, come on, yeah,
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this poor kid, you know, if willing to believe exactly
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what happened, obviously they're trying to show it in the
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film that age six, he was like, didn't go to
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school anymore and he was working, you literally doing shows, performing,
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and then later on they sort of like, you know,
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pretend he's younger than the years a bit, just because
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that's sort of a selling factor.
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But the young kid that plays him as a young
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kid who obviously was an actor and was at stage
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school or something beforehand.
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His voice, Yeah, and he did all the things, which
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was incredible.
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It's like you close your eyes and you go and
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even if they had tweaked it slightly whatever, but he
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was phenomenal.
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Yeah. And also I think because there's been like this
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thriller musical or you know, Michael Jackson music, there's lots
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of people who are Michael Jackson impersonators. And having looked
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up some stuff obviously just stuff constantly on my feed
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now having watched it, of how they cast the people
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for the film, and I think that I can't remember
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the name of the guys realnoymally now, but he did
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the Bohemian Rhapsody film produced and he was involved in
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this one as well, and he had meetings. So I've
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heard Jaffar Jackson chat and obviously said that he had
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meetings he'd never acted before, he'd never done anything like that. Obvious,
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he's grown up in a performing family.
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Flinch Mere photo of Jaffa what he looks like normally
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without prosthetics, and he looks a bit like Michael Jackson
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did at the end.
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Yeah, he looks very much like his dad, Jermaine Jackson.
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If you look at him and his dad, they look really.
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So because I couldn't understand. I couldn't quite get. I know,
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this prosthetics and amazing makeup, but when he first starts,
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he looks like Michael Jackson used to before he had
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his nose jobs and so on. But yeah, the quality
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of his dancing.
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So going back to I just going to go back
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to what he was saying about him not ever actually
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before and how he was cast for the role, because
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obviously there's loads of people out there who do amazing personations.
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But of Michael Jackson, obviously in his later years sort
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of paste for a last stuff where he'd had all
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the procedures done. And obviously there's a whole backstore in
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the thing, which a lot of people do know. But
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the backstory in the film about why he had started
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having his nose done to start with you know, because
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his dad makes lots of comments about it early on,
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and obviously he calls his dad Joseph doesn't call him dad.
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So there's like the massive sort of divide even from
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a very young age. But so Jeffar Jackson got cast
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in it even though he hadn't had any acting experience whatever,
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and he just said, look, let me try. So he
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basically gave him six months to work, like, worked with
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an acting coach and tried to you know, the mannerisms,
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and he spent two years training. I've just seen stuff
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on him doing loads of physical training and stuff with
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the pt who trains people for particular roles to make
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sure he strong because he was gonna be doing like
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five six hours dancing a day probably when they're filming,
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so the physicality of it. And also and he worked
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with Michael Jackson's choreographers, original choreographers, so he could get
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all the timing and all the syncopation and all that
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sort of stuff that he does on all this syncopation. Yeah,
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it's like the think the patient like that, where it
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gets all his little his little movements and little pants stuff.
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And they've actually shown some really cool stuff on Instagram
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where they've had the two.
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Like stacked above each other split screen.
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Yeah, and literally just shown the timing. It's just amazing.
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I mean, I know it was produced by the Jackson,
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so it paints him. You know, the whole thing about
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Jackson when you listen to Michael Jackson song is there's
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always that little hint in the back of your mind
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about how he ended up and you know, kids stuff.
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But the way he's portrayed in the film, and I
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know it's produced by the Jackson, but the way he's
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portrayed in the film, he's kind OF's non sexual.
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But it's part one, so that they only got up
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to like mid nineties in it.
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What have you just done the bad album, hasn't it?
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So that han't got to when I feel he went
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even more like off the rails. But if you look
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at the lifestyle and look at who he ended up,
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you know, he married Lisa Marie Presley, they got married
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and to be fair, you know, they've both had the
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weirdest upbringings, probably in this like super fame super like
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you know, literally they weren't their own person. They were
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so I mean, Michael Jackson slightly different, but he was
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never a child. He didn't. He was just always a
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child star and she was probably just thrown into like
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your Elvis' daughter. You're going to you know, you know,
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who do you trust? You know, they don't know who
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to trust. So sort of coming together as people that
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live in this you have to live in lift in
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their own little bubble, I supase in their world, they
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can't go out anywhere, they can't go owning normal, they
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can't just go to the shops. And you know there's
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stuff early on where he goes with his bodyguard and stuff,
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and he's just immediately and that's really early on in
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his career. It's not like later on.
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I like the bodyguard.
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He was good.
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That's a true story. Did the bodyguard stay with him through.
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Stay with them to it? But he died in like
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two thousand and three or two thousand and five or something.
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They again, you don't know, there was obviously they did
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all out at some point, so I think he stopped
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working with him off, you know, after a while, late
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nineties or something. But it's that's the thing, you know,
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if you look at all these people successfully look John,
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you know they've always had Elvis. All these people have
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had these people who obviously they're making an enormous about
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money and success, so they attract people who are going.
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To try and whether it's a manager or a parent.
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You look Britty Spears, you know all these kid child
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stars who've just been like stratospheric. Yeah a child star.
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Yeah she didn't let you not just tomatoes catch up, which.
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Is that was me getting that. But you know, they
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go stratospheric, so then you know, the money side of
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things so obscene and quick that they have people that
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then they don't know who to trust. You know, who
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do they trust? They trust these people who around them
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because they think they're looking after them because they're so
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busy off doing their music and performing in a studio,
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they leave all the other stuff to other people.
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That's what we've talked about before. You know, if you're
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in a let's say you're in You Two, everyone knows Bono,
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everyone knows what's his name? Is the guitarist the Edge. Actually,
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if you walk past me, I don't know if i'd know.
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I think I would know him because he was like
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a little beanie.
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But imagine being in one of these groups where.
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They say the drummer Coldplay or.
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Whatever, phenomenal. You're doing what you love, you're brilliant or
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what you do.
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But on the stage and perform. But you could just
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literally go to.
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Where your budgies and go out in snow and make
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snow and jews if you want, if you want to.
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But then that would go viral and people are probably going,
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that is the drama from coldplaying.
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Yes, they'd recognize him and he plays. Yes, that's why
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they were called cold Play.
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Do you But yeah, so the Jackson is very interesting
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and then, like you mentioned earlier, halfway through her suddenly
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went hang on a minute, where's Janet Jackson? She's not
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in it? People know spoilers film.
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I didn't realize there was ten kids.
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I think there was ten. I think there was nine alive.
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I think there was whatever how many were in there.
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They had twins and only one survived.
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Six were in it. Weren't they in the film? Jackson?
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Five and LaToya and.
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Then Michael wasn't it yet? But yeah, so there was
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a couple that apparently didn't want to be involved. You know,
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maybe they disagreed, thinking it was just going to be
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a money spinner and people would you know, there's there's
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obviously in the family that big. There's always going to be.
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I assume the father's not alive.
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A massive load of people that the mummy is still
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yeah ninety six or something. Wow, Yeah, I still a clipper.
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And then you know LaToya LaToya Jackson is one of
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the sisters.
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Yes, does she get a lot of treatments done?
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She looks exactly like Michael did right at the end.
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Yeah, Okay, Like what's j.
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Gale Janet apparently is? I think she's had some work done,
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but she's apparently touring again or doing some other stuff.
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Everyone's touring, but.
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They keep saying that she's well. I think some of
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the jack the older brothers still tour as the Jacksons
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or whatever. But it's their life. They don't know what
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else to do. I don't think they know. They don't
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know any other life. And also, if it's successful, why
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not you if people want to come and see them
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and they enjoy performing, why not. I say it was
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a very.
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of the other. Yeah, I thought that Elton john one
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it was I think.
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That john One is as sad as you know parts
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of his life are it's quite comedic, it's quite funny.
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He hams himself up and it's very good playing that
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sort of role and hamming it up a bit and
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obviously being quite sassy.
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But yeah, you do. You can't help but feel for
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Michael Jetson the way he was brought out, just sitting
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in his room with wanted to play twister.
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think that is you know, whether you believe or don't believe,
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you know, the hype whatever's coming out or what does
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you know. There's lots of stuff again connecting him with Epstein.
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But you know, again people are defending him, saying, well,
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he was looking at houses, and one of the houses
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wherever he was looking, he wants to live near Barry
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Gibbon when the houses looking at his own vipes in
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and obviously, like everybody, every wants to photo with Michael
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Jackson when they meet him. So there's a photo of
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Mirk Jackson and Epstein something outside of his house. But
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who knows who can prove, you.
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Know, well, it can be proved because Peter Attire was
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caught with seventeen hundred emails.
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Yes, it can be proved, and they're saying, also, you know,
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it's another conspiracy theory that Michael Jackson was done in
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because he was going to talk about all the stuff.
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There's a few clips of him talking at war ceremonies
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and talking about Mariah Carey's ex husband who was very
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controlling and powerful because she was very where she was
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really young, much younger than him, and how he abused
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and controlled lots of people in the music industry. And
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so I think for for that, you know, you've got
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people like that speaking out and there's lots of clips
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of him that are coming out now which are actually
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him speaking saying you know, obviously whether he was going
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to expose what was going on or knew anything or
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people in the industry, who knows, but.
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Every industry, everyone there's there's always shite going on.
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There is shite going on. But I think it's it's
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there's a lot of very but I just find you know,
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there's a lot of powerful people. But you think Michael
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Jackson would hold a lot of power to people as well,
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Like in part of the film where he wants to
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be on MTV.
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Yes, and as a black act.
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Form, they wouldn't say, you know, they withheld l L.
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But at the time that that record label had Springsteen, Uh,
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who else did he have? Billy Joel had like massive,
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and he said, well just pull them all out.
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Yeah, you can't play any of them unless you play
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Billy Gene or whatever it was was his first track,
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and then MTV because Marcus just like making films. He
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liked making and all of his songs, although they're quite
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will appear to be quite like sexual or like just
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normal sort of relationships or status. He'd never really had
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I don't feel a relationship, so bubbles. But he watched TV,
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watched films, he watched like stuff with his youmum. It's
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almost like everything came from his imagination. So the thriller thing.
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In theory, he was a good Yeah, he was vincent Price.
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So everything came from his imagination and inspiration from films
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or genres, I mean, from genres of other things. So
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he didn't it's not like I mean, it's not like
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he went on a date and then they walked past
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the graveyard and it was all a bit scary, and
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then he went, oh, this is good idea for a song.
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No, he's seen the Vincent Price, and then he was yeah,
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because he carried Grant, he loved dancing, and then he
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loved Marso.
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And chy Chaplin.
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Yeah, he even did some of that in his dance news.
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So he drew from inspiration just from his own little world,
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I think, and his imagination. And then The Dirty Diana
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Has apparently written about Diana Ross because he was obsessed
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with her and thought that she had mutual feelings or
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whatever it was with him, and he got jealous because
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there were some awards. And this is again that she
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massively she kept hugging and schmoozing with people that she
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thought were influent, influential, and he was like, hang on
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a minute, I thought you like me. So it's basically
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like a little kid, little kid has just been spurned.
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So he wrote.
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The Princess Darn apparently used to think that was not
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about her, but actually liked that song. What's your favorite
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Jackson song?
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Then? Uh, I didn't what was I didn't really like
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the era from Bad onwards it all went a bit strange.
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I mean, I still like Off the Wall album was brilliant,
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but then the Thriller album and it was.
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Like, don't stop to Thriller yeh, don't stop to get
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enough off off off the wall. And then it's weird
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because through album I listened to you over and over
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and over and over, and obviously the more like upbeat
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ones appealed to me when I was younger, then actually
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listened to some of the more mellow ones human nature
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when when they came out, you're a bit like when
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you're thirteen, you don't want to set it.
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What's the one where it is getting blown over the
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wind builds up? Yes, that's quite it gets Yeah.
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I saw a clip of him again. It's been everywhere
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and I've been absorbing it all, you know, the last
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because he was about to do and more shows before
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he died, Well he wasn't. He was rehearsing to go.
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He was rehearsing to do some more shows. And so
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there's clips of him rehearsing literally like twelve hours before
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he died or something, or the day before, and him
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singing that on stage, like just rehearsing his like walking
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where he's going to stand, not dancing full out, but
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like singing that live that question.
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The doctor that was allowing him.
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To apparently wasn't sleeping allegedly, that's like me last night,
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but not for some ridiculous lengths of time. He didn't
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sleep very well. He didn't really you know, he was
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obviously not very well person anyway, but apparently did sleep.
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So he was getting given lots of drugs and things
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like that to help like in instigate sleep, which obviously
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then he wasn't actually getting proper sleep, right, So there
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was a lot like a long period of time and
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obviously maybe just had other things to keep him up,
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you know, awake, and then some times which just.
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Messed him up because it was because.
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He's moving around. Fin Williams not very well, but he's
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moving around a lot and he's doing stuff.
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It's not like he suddenly Robin Williams was was addicted
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to the same painkillers. And he said it. I mean
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he went through all sorts of drugs.
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I think he was very.
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Yes, but yeah, but he was saying that the actual
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how powerful this drug was was quite frightening compared to
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anything else he'd ever taken. Just say, we're hypnot But
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it wasn't date rape. I can't remember it was. But anyway, Yeah,
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so yeah, it's it's it's a sad it's not a
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sad story. But yeah, you realized you can moonwalk, couldn't it?
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I could never moon walk.
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Yeah, but there's different thing people. His way is very distinctive.
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And he got together like have you learn it from?
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Like, wasn't it the crips or I can't remember one
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of the La gangs that he got together body stuff.
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Wasn't that There was body popping and there was Yeah
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that was basically started breakdancing.
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And then he just did it at one show, just
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learnt that bit. I think the circular one he did
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he learned from the breakdancers. And then just the walk
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across the stage was his sort of thing.
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Yeah, I couldn't go up remember when he used to
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go up onto his toes, used to try and do
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that one he hold.
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That or the gravity way. They keep showing things of
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how they put these special things in the heels or
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like magnets that keep them. They go across to one side,
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and I think there's a special bit of stage it's
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got like magnets in there.
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So how they do it. You can't do the mild
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house master massive calves and he used to lean and
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we'd look at him profile and be like how that
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It wasn't quite that much. But how the hell did
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he lean? He'd lean and like when he's telling you off,
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if you're like.
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Jesus very talent about that blue we see running water.
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He's a backward leaner.
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That's so how I can't do that with that, you'd
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have to fall over.
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He's a backward leaner. He's got there's Italian saying.
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A guy just walks around where we are and yeah.
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He just leans back. And he's got no glutes, got
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no glutes.
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So that's the difference between Michael Jackson.
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And his glutes.
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Glutes. There's been a lot of female attention on his's
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glutes after watching the film. We're back in the How
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old is he eighties? No, give it to us about
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glutes so much, but then how old late twenties, twenty
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eight something like that. Very obviously he was training. He
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was doing physical like you know, sprint training, like single
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leg plios and hops and dance stuff and balance work
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and to get him strong to be able to dance
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for that. He's got a different build. I mean, he's
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quite slight human, but not as tiny as Jackiel Jackson.
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Jockson Michael Jackson.
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Michael Jackson was at the end I don't think anyway.
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But yeah, that scene at the end, he's wearing it's
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not spoiler, don't worrying black and white trousers. There's a
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lot of girls just rewatching that I've seen showing themselves
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watching it go Michael Jackson having.
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Glutes of steel, gleats like that.
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So there we are. It's all good.
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Yeah, it's very good, very good.
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But because they do go through lot of these sort
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of films, they don't always not these films, but like
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sometimes we go to see a musical, they don't necessarily
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have the rights to play all the music. They play
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a few bits. But obviously this was all about him,
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so it was all of his songs and how he
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supposedly wrote them and created them.
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And yeah, it's very good. I was thinking like like prodigies,
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and obviously he was a child prodigy. Who is a
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child prodigy or who is a prodigy at the moment
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within our life time. I'm trying to think of sports people, actors, singers.
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Well, Justin Bieber was was really young, and Billy.
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Well because of a production and her skills on that front,
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so she was a child she was I think she
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was like, Okay, who's it Prodi Who's I guess they're
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all talking about this young Australian sprinter Gout Gout who's
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doing the same times as your same bolt. I'm trying
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to think of other sports people who are just like
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leagues above. There's no one really.
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Tom Daily was really young when he went to the
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Olympics first. True, competed and won stuff.
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True, but you know when someone just comes on the
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scene and it's the best in the world.
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But I don't I think back then, obviously you had
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to be seen to do it. I think now people
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it was much rarer. I think back then to do
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sports stuff like them. There's probably people academically who are
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you know, child prodigy is gene do you remember, like
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you know, there was what was it that's life with
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Esther Ranson back in the day, and they'd always find
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some kid who was doing in you know, university age
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lepond or something degree you know, and talk to them
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or whatever, you know, really really super smart.
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But I'm trying to think of in the music world now,
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I'm going to guess Adele she was phenomenal, is phenomenal, but.
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They're still like nineteen twenty, they weren't performing at age
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six or eight. Church was another one. She was back
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in the day. Obviously she was really young when she
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was singing opera. I suppose the other ones you see
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sometimes you see them on like X Factor or but
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It's got talent where they have these kids Susan Door,
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they don't.
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She wasn't a boil Boil Susan Doors a Susan It's
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Boil or Doyle Boil Boil.
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I don't know anyway she was.
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Do you have to be when you say it doesn't
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have to but you're.
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Talking about a child, any product you're talking about.
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You know, I said, no, any any prodigy. What do
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you just Basically they just stand they stand so far
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above everyone else in what they do.
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But have they progressed or they suddenly appear. They suddenly
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wake up one morning. They've never they've been an account
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in their whole life, they've never sung in public, they've
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never done anything, and they go next they go to
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a karaoke down the local pub, and suddenly they're just
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I'm just giving you an example. This is an example.
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They suddenly wake up and go, oh yeah, I'm going
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to beat you.
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You could be a spelling prodigy. Spelling prodigy, but there's
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some words it really.
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Plums me. Do you know when I try and spell words,
494
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I see it. Do you do that?
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Yes, everyone does that, but you still don't spell them right?
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You see it wrong. I see the word, the letters
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and all the syllables in my head and then I
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spelled out loud. So when what word does Danba ask
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me to spell?
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The other night silhouette?
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Oh yes, silhouette. Immediately the word is there in my head. Visual.
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I was listening to Mariam Marglise.
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Miriam.
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Miriam got it wrong. She was on the Rumish Rerangnation
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podcast and she's very funny, but she loves her language.
506
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She loves the English language. That's not the best thing.
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She said.
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You know who I'd like to see have a conversation
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that her and Stephen Frye would be hilarious conversation. Though.
510
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You said she did foot lights or whatever and they
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wouldn't let.
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Her do it. Yeah, it wasn't Stephen fry It was
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it was before that. Yeah, it was two of the
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Monty Python It was it John John and I can't
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remember the other one. But they just completely blanked. He
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didn't let it come to me. After what the party
517
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and whatever, and she brought it up with him again
518
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much later on. He's not a funny man, so it's okay,
519
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it's a horrible man.
520
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She called him the sea word, but we're not allowed
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to say that on this podcast. Does it sounds polite?
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Because she's so posh and she says it. She does
523
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love to as well.
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She doesn't want to be purely known as a fat
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party lady.
526
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Well she's going to stop talking about it on podcasts then.
527
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Which she just says so much every interview of her.
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I just I really need fart, Yes, but.
529
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Yes, very funny. Yes, So I was trying to think
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of any other prodigy doesn't have to be child music
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academia hugely is successful.
532
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But Evil Musk is probably one of those out of
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nowhere type of people that Yes, I'm.
534
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Sure he was an outlie, wasn't he in terms of
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his academic And you know the.
536
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People that Bill, all those people who've just just installer
537
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and they've invented something amazing in our lifetime basically because
538
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most of the other major inventions were done way before
539
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our lifetime.
540
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Yeah, wasn't there a young was here? A Liverpool player
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played at sixteen and the Liverpool young lad had played. Yeah,
542
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I don't know if it happens as much now. I
543
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think that everyone the exposure to everything.
544
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That's what I was trying to say way back.
545
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Why didn't you say it? Then?
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I did try and say it, but you really interrupted me.
547
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Is that they are seen. You know, you can promote
548
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yourselves more because of social media or the Internet or
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clubs or whatever it is, or people's scouts. People are
550
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trying to find the next big thing. So people are
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looking for it more. When I think back then, was
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it too late for me? Well, you said you'd have
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to be a child prodigy, be really good at everything.
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What you have. No, because that's my prodigy. You're good
555
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at Yes, I'm good at that. Spelling, not so much
556
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being a pain in the ass, hyper very hyperactive.
557
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:24.039
Hyperactive, you're just energetic. Okay, unless it's after eight thirty
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pm and then.
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About night at night say that?
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Okay, what else do you do that?
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Uh? Dance moves the worm? No, no, not the worm
562
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as much doing the gloglu like noise and boring.
563
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I would say the rape dance is probably way above
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for you.
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And then the.
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Put my glove? Has anybody seen these? There are these fish. Yeah, fish,
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went said fish. Is it an actual fish shape of
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a fish? And we're quite I was going to get yellows,
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such your favorite color. And as you poured it we
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it didn't glock, and I was like, oh my god,
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I've got a defect lug.
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But when you get it right, so it's.
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Not actually when you pour, it's when you tip it
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back and both on the You have to have the
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right amount of waes you do, Susy, yes, yes, so
576
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that was the issue. I had too much water, too
577
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little water. You go to have the medium.
578
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And I keep having reoccurring dreams about working with wood.
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I'd like to be a wood turner.
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That's just because your boyfriend Dan works with wood and
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he's a grand designs or.
582
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Grand design more like like Johnny Parker who makes salt
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and pepper shakers out of wood and bits of wood
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and hang out with your.
585
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Friend Simon as well. I think make decking and treehouses.
586
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Ye, I'd love that.
587
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Well, then you need to give up work in competition with.
588
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Or go into business with my boyfriend.
589
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.039
So many boyfriends called down, I get confused.
590
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:06.400
Golfer Dan would work down, Ginger Dan, any other dance there's.
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Another ginger down you went to school.
592
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:13.240
It's it's just so many Mark and Dan Daniels. Mark.
593
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There's a lot of Marks in the lates sixty.
594
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Sev very common. I don't think anyone called Mark in
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our kids.
596
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No, no one's called Max or.
597
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:30.039
What's the other one that everybody's killed?
598
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Yeah, Will, Matt Will, Yeah, Nathaniels.
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Girls are like izzy Wizzy Fizzy.
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Dizzy Dizzy is a good one. Zig ziggy.
601
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:50.480
We know some called ziggy the we are Okay, well
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that's that. Go and watch Michael if you haven't seen it,
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00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.759
even if you have changed your view. Lots of people
604
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wouldn't listen to his music after all the stuff came out.
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00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.920
But it's iconic, amazing performing music, regardless of what you
606
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.720
knows we think of him in his latter years. Quincy Jones,
607
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.599
Quincy gen amazing. But yeah, it's just it's what's It's
608
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just a really good, you know film, and if you
609
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.000
like his music, definitely go and watch it. A lot
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of that, they play a lot of that. They do
611
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.960
the Michael about his music. It's not just him and
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his family life at home. There's a lot about his
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performing and thank you. That's like watching. I actually saw
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him when we stayed him. Thank you.
615
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.119
I missed him back in the back in the day.
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He was literally a tiny little dot because we were
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way up when we stayed him. But was amazing. I
618
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.440
was quite young, it was It must have been thriller
619
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because it was Yeah, because it was eighties.
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Yeah. Okay.
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People have a great week and sex weekm