Craig Telfer

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Episode of Not an Other Football Podcast with myself, Simon,
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Donnelly and Jackie. I'm delighted to have a next guest
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off the Telly Great Telfa.
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I'm brilliant. Thank you very much for having me on
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the show.
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Looking forward, it we spot in Italy stripped day as
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a hope of them getting into this World Cup.
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Of course, of course they're there.
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There's talk of Iran being booted out and Italy being
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put back in.
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No.
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I just think this is it's a nice top un Fortunately,
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this was Italy's top at Euro ninety six with They're
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an absolute disaster six ninety six. Ay, so it's not
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a particularly good year for for Italian football, but it's
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like a nice toppings.
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Thank you very much for the compliment.
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It's brough a good start already already the World Couple's
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your thoughts.
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I I'm really looking forward. I'm getting opportunity to go
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over there and work. I'm working there for the Terras podcast,
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so I think I'm making video content across the three weeks,
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basically from a fans perspective, so that the I need
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to discuss this. But what I want to do is
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like spend a week in Boston, go to the game
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against Haiti, then maybe two nights in New York, back
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to Boston for the game against Morocco, maybe a night
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in Nashville, you know, go down there was supposed to
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be class and then out to Miami for the game
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against Brazil and the back up the road.
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So it's like three weeks.
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I was out in Belfast a couple of weeks, so
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let my visa sorted for it. I've got accreditation for
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FEEF assorted, so I just need to book the flights
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and accommodation. So I've got a discussion with my boss
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about that later on in the week, and they all
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know exactly what's expected.
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I mean, but I can't wait three weeks all on,
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three weeks all in when we get to the knockouts,
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and then we.
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Discussed that, I do I weirdly, I do think we've
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got this is a because of the way chance.
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Well, do you know something.
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I think it's if you finish like the one of
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the best third place teams you can, you can progress.
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And I think it's going to be I think it's
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going to be that game against Haiti. The first game
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is really going to determine how we get on. I
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think we should be looking to run up a cricket
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score against something. No, that's not something we traditionally do.
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See if we will to be them like five or
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six now, because Morocco is going to be a hard game.
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Brazil is going to be a hard game. But see,
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if you've got three points and you've got a decent
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gold difference, you've got a right good chance of progressing.
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And then it's strapping the phone to the Boston sending
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all money please, then the greater accommodation. But I can't wait.
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I've never been to the United States before. You know,
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it was a wee bit reticent at first, you know,
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sort of the ongoing situation. America doesn't look like particularly
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a welcoming place at the moment.
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But it's the it's the World Cup.
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Can check your socials because it's donald not.
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Checked the first time. The first thing I did was nothing.
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There was nothing bad on there. But it's when you
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fill in the form for the visa. They asked like
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to check like Instagram and Twitter and stuff like that.
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So I just I just put it down there for
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just for safety. But the process to get the visas weird,
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like I thought, it was, you know, seems like an
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interview for a visa. I thought you'd be going out
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to this consulate in Belfast. You'd be there for like
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an hour and they would go through, like line by
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line what you've put in the visa.
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Like once once she skits like a doctor's waiting room.
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There's about you and twenty other people all sitting there
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waiting to waiting to go through.
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An interview lasts about three minutes.
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It's all like a bunch of kids going to Camp
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America that we're all in the cube before me and
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Gop And he's like, so the body that's what you're
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doing is looking at the World Cup. Oh great, well
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that's class. There you go, there's your there's a visa sorted.
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So that's the one one thing to take off. Nobody's
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about that. And then it's just, honestly, man, just counting
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down that the days I've gone from like just so
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see how we go.
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But now I just I just I just can't wait.
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To out there for the start or just when Scotland
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start the start.
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So I think it's Scottland are playing and it's the
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Friday or the Saturday, so I'll be out there for
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the Monday, and the idea is basically just to get
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as much content as possible speaking to Scotland fans, like
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basically find out what what Boston's like, documenting the like
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the journey from the from.
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Boston to the stadium, basically really what what fans are.
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Don't go to fan zones and I get the opportunity
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to go to like other games quite fancy Congo versus
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his Betty Stan. I think that's a bucket as a
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new bucket list kind of game. But I think that's
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just I think I'll need to find out exactly. But
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I think I've got like pretty much a broad scope
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to to kind.
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Of do a want there. As long as there's daily
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videos that are going out.
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There'll be challenging to film stuff and then go back
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and edit, but that's something.
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We can anything to do with the team. Will you
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be no team?
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No, it's mostly exalt stuff to fans.
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I think that the Terennis podcast they've they've like joined
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up with news Quest, who owned the Herald.
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And the National.
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I think they are sending Steve McGowan out. He's going
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to be based at the Scotland tearing base, so they
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send someone to cover all the stuff to the team,
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and then I'll be doing the fun stuff with the fans.
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The warm up games first, yeah, we've got a couple
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of it.
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Not we've got so we're playing Curus out at the
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end of May.
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That's the basically, that's the one, just to send everyone
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up the road a smile.
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So looking forward to that.
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And then I think I think it's in the Metlake
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Stadium in New Jersey.
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We're playing Bolivia. That's basically just.
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They played there on the warm up. That's where he
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played Columbia.
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New Jersey.
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Did you say, I think I think so.
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I'm sure we played Columbia. Yeah.
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Remember Drama only gets her game because he's.
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Here ready key to playing in that game, big boy Valentia.
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Really, when we used to get the team the opposition,
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Craigan used to go through the opposition and sort of
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basically to say they were ship.
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I've heard that.
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I've heard that just to I think it was his
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way of psyching us up, the confidences us ever to
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be played with, you know, best players in the world
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or average. And but the Columbia game, Valderama, he's like
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he's past it. He only gets a game because he's
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here and he said Valencia, he's a black Ally McCoist
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six foot five. That's that's what we had done that
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we do that?
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Did he do that against Brazil?
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Like obviously he's going through all these like one class
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Ronaldo better.
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We played them in the first game and then but
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also just on that same thing we played. Remember we
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played France in ninety seven and the year leading up
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and Zidan and the shops were one paste.
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The one won the Wall Cup next year random.
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Placed like I really like to turn the pace like
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he was deceptively fast. Play again against a big, powerful.
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Player as well strong.
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It's scary feet. The ball come there in his first
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touch is away with his body. You just can't get
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near near him. Just a different level.
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And who the best players that you you come up
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against playing for Scotland.
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Said on you, my son, I did he did the
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relected to get I didn't know in fairness the way
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the ball went down to him and the kind of
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I came on it right midfield. He took off Gary
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Hote who just came on at half time, and he
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took him off to put me and put me on
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for him. Although Gary said he was sigling for somebody else,
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but he was taking them off because of how he
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was running, just like Tony Bunses, like get him off now.
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He just came on.
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So I came on for him, and the ball went
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down the right back area. And normally I would go
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to ground and do the scissors and take the ball
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and the man, but we're four now doing or something
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at the time, and it was the dan so I
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just kind of slowed up, stopped my sprint and stood
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on my feet and I said to my son, I said,
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I don't.
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Know what he'd done.
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He made the ball disappear in front of me, and
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the all start de France was like I've done yea,
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I could have done him, and he passed it back
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to lizarda zoo and over and smashed him and got
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your little calf. And then years later my boy found
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it on YouTube, so we got to click and the
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dance you you see me in tho did you see
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me just slow up like that and looking for the ball.
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He just he dangle over there and dragged it. But
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that was he was kind of the first to kind
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of do that.
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That skill.
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Yeah, I'd never seen that before, but I was more
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angry for not going to ground and taking him on the.
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Ball next time.
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So that we played that was that same stadium then,
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so who does Scotland play there?
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BELIVEA.
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I think that's that's what they're doing with World Cup
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warrants until you play teams that are like relatively playing.
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Haiti and Bolivia's.
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I'm impressed that you're taunting enough saying five or six,
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it's just we should go and win that one.
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But I think there's people belong with a historical I like,
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I think they will go back to like the nineteen
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World Cup per and Coke Costa Rica as well. The
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teams that were are like really fancy to go and win.
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You don't turn up against them. It's it's not we
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we don't tend to do that. I mean, when's the
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last time I can remember Scotland like absolutely like.
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Like thrashing someone. We don't tend to do that enough.
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I watched this team New Zealand dated too.
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I watched that popped up Matt Twitter recently and I
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think we go to up and we're cruising and then
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we give away two goals and we're going to one
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five too. But subsequently the two goals put us out
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really played against the uses and.
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That game.
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It was.
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I'm trying was it my other see my dad. We
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went to all the games, but the two goals that.
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It always feels that well with Scotland, we step up
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really well with the underdogs, you know. I think that
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when we're coming against like big opposition, we're really good.
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We can make things awkward for them. I think when
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there's an expectation for us to go out and win,
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we can really do that. I mean haven't been at
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Hamden last couple of times for instance, like I was
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quite a poor perform as well.
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We played Belarus a.
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Couple of months ago and that was a game because
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like Belarus, we turned them over and Minsk.
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I think it was when we played them.
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And then you're taking them back to Glasgow and you're
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expecting ticket You saw how poor they were there and
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you're expecting to really go and give them a doing
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and it was just being you remember when the com
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mctommeney scored the one and goes like like fuck you
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can actually you actually see him mount mouthing and that
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was that felt like a bit of tipping point in
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how folk were feeling towards it like like Steve Clark
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and he managed to rescue it back without the game
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against Denmark. But having been there at the game against Japan,
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you know, I think folk were just a bit like,
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let's see, let's see something interesting happening there.
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But to the episode said, yeah, did you go to
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the last one in Germany?
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I was at Germany.
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I was what I was working for that once was
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it was working for the Scottish Effe doing their Scotland
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h Q and one of the best experience in my life.
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Genuinely like such a privilege to be there. So we
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were based down in Garmish Party Kirking where the Scotland
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were training. So it was amazing You're getting to you're
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getting to watch until I shooed off at so I
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was just sitting there. They hired this, it was like
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a provincial team. Imagine the equivalent of like Edinburgh City
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for friends. It is like an or fourth athletic, a
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sort of team like fairly low down the food chain.
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They'd hired their their ground. It was all spruced up
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at their running track round it. They had built like
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a gym behind the goals for the players and the
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sort of makeshift like ice baths and stuff for them.
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With the backdrop with the mountains.
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Yeah, that's exactly That's exactly was me.
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It was on top of that as well, stunning place
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you come out of your hotels more and see the air,
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the quality of they have never felt anything like it,
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proper like Alpine. It was a beautiful, beautiful part of
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the world. All the houses as well there they all
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looked like like these huge Shally's.
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You know.
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They was up there on the stage and there was
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like one point five million euros was like the starting
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price to stay there, so really expensive. But to be
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down there and to see Scotland in action, like getting
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to interview I'm going to name drop you about like
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Scott mctommery and Billy Gilmore and John McGinn and to
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actually see like a production like that in action and
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just how dependent it was and on Scotland results we
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were supposed to. The plan was to be doing episodes
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like every every single day, but we go and play Jemmy,
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you lose that five to.
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One and we was like, nos, can it?
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Well, they do an episode the next day and then
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it was a case of building excitement up for the
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Switzerland game, so we spoke to like Lyndon Dykes. He
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obviously was injured and couldn't participate, but he was there
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in the camp and all that, so it was great
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to talk to him, and John McGinn liking the build
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up to it, and we spoke to like like Billy Gilmore,
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and then there was the game against Hungry and was
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supposed to be an episode after that, but it was
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just like nah, like just can't for there. But it's
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the first time I'd watched Scotland like away from Glasgow,
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so it's a brilliant experience, Like go to Cologne, partically
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for the Switzerland match. What a brilliant place to watch football,
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and just getting to see Scotland score like a goal
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actually matter and on the stage, just an incredible experience
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and and like like if that was the high point,
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then being in the Stuttgart for the game against Hungary
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where we you know, we lost in the one hundredth minute.
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I think it was when I thought that.
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It's all coming back to me. Do Armstrong was a penalty.
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It looked like a penalty.
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We were, we were, we were really close to where
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it was really close to I was, and it looked
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like a penalty.
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It was certainly something that we were were everyone everyone
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around me was appealing for.
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But having a chance to watch it back and I'm
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sure I can't make my mind of it as a penalty,
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and I.
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Think it is. Can you remember it?
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It gets his gets his body in front of the
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he knows that the HiT's coming and it gets his
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I think that's what could strikers, all the attackers.
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Yeah, get your body in front and take the hit.
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M H.
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Screaming for it.
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I didn't like afterwards, like Clark it it was of
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a South American referee and he came out and criticized
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like the referee from being from South America, and.
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It just felt like it felt like a bit of
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deflection there.
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For the fact that I can remember as well, I
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think it was Kenny McLean coming on late on and
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just knowing what he was supposed to do. I suppose
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at that point the game is quite key. Lottic care
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also like just make put us one, make something happen.
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But it was quite a disappointing way to go out.
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And I think pound for pound that you were twenty
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twenty four, we might have been the worst team that
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we're there.
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Do you feel when that kind of note because you
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go back to the the tournament before it was a
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wee bit kind under after COVID won it, because it
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didn't feel right completely. I think this group of players
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feel as if they've gotten finished business because there's quite
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a lot of them have played at that too high.
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They've got the experience of the two. Now it's a
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World Cup, which I always thinks it's another level the
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world is watching, so to speak. I think that might
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work for us because those guys there, that's maybe the
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last character.
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I think you're right, Yeah, I think I think right
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like guys is like I don't think like like Kenny McLean,
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John Suitter, like Craig Gordon, if he goes yeah.
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They might roberts Andy Robertson just kind of coming out
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there makes.
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Sure as I have to've still got that little bit
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to prove on that stage.
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I think you're right.
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I think I don't think we really saw the best
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of ourselves at Euro twenty twenty. We're good against England.
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I thought we gave England a bit of a hard
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game and need remember like Steven O'Donnell pocket and Jack grealish,
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and it was great because yeah, he did he did
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have us right quite early on didn' he had a
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shot past the post and that was really good because
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o'donald came under quite a bit of criticism against for
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the Force, against the Chechno of public and so for
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him to really step up against a much superior opposition
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it was great.
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But then you play against Croatian, I can someone were like.
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Look a Modrich just absolutely running the show like it
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was just could couldn't get near him. So we're talking
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to to Sedan like his next touch is he's already
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he's already seen so when he takes the ball. He
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just is so good at playing space himself, and he
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scored I think scored one of the goals of the
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tournament there as well, didn't He sort of folly from
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the from the edge of the box.
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So I think you're right.
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I don't think we gave a good account ourselves at
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Euro twenty twenty or Euro twenty twenty four. So this
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is a good chance to make amends and hopefully against Haiti.
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I know we've got a slight reservations about that game,
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but that's the kind of match that we can go
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out and really and show what we can do.
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I've got that's from.
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Dogs, it is.
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But I just feeling the press.
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Because something's got to give another game. Sorry, sets up
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nicely if we can.
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Get the back and they're good, they're good size like Morocco.
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I know they kind of got awarded at retrospectively, but
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then being like the African Cup of Nations holders, and
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I know that this isn't necessarily like a vintage Brazilti.
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It's still like a team that we played at ninety eight.
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I mean there's when you go through like like looking
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at the team, I can't believe Brown going through somebody's like,
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was it CAFU was.
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Playing CAFU the better, Carlos Valdo frightening the better. So
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that the big thing was when their team came in
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the Brazilian team, He's taught Danielson would be starting because
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he had a good season. Yeah, I think it was
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it better in the but he says, all great news.
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He says he's going for the Bettle again. He's turned
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the Davy whare. He's got Hearts. At the time he
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says he can't get he can't get a club. He
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sees in fact Davey's tried to get in at Hearts perhaps.
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Like the Bettles try.
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Again at Hearts.
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You know he's.
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And he was class the Beetles class. And then after
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the game, do you know trying to swap strips away
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I tried to get I go for Bettle's top.
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You've Goto's top.
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Yeah.
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We go out now after the game, So the guys
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that don't play go out to do a little bit
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running naturally.
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After they normally do.
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But because Brazil on town, because the Sky gets into
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the desker room to swap gets number seven be Bettle.
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So the brazil players are doing their running after it
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and Daniels and the guy he's just said to you,
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he's out running, and I says, right, here's my opportunity.
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And he's coming up the tunnel. I was like, what
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a swap? Me writ though, just.
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Want yourn.
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So he tormented me for the rest of the trip.
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But does he get number seven? Bad numbers?
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Who's the best?
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Like ins of like swapping shirts, who's the who's the
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most high profile shot?
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You've got the collection I've got?
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I had that game that was the game in ninety seven.
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I got Lauren Blong. Oh nice, it was the one.
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But now the laces Man you had the kind of
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of that.
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Yeah, Rangers. Rangers had something quite something.
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That would probably be the highest profile I swapped.
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Back then, you didn't really you had to keep your
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jerseys more often right now nowadays they swap out.
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After get like three shirts or something.
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Game, So want to keep one you got in and
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give Highlands the bettle but battles had.
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The Battle Donald Daniels game again, but actually depending on
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the game, keep my own one. Yeah, it's like yes,
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I cut final yeah, or a big top on one
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of my own about with Scotland, what I think it
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was a flowing Norway. The second game I swapped. I'm
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sure it was maybe a flow and something one Morocco.
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I don't know, I don't I've still got that on,
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did you know. I was just gutted as well.
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We had the we Craig Brown on an episode review
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for The Terrace a couple of years ago, and brilliant company.
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You know, just just think you could look it honestly
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kind It's just like you do the way you guys
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are talking to you could hang off as every word
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you're You're like you just want.
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To hear his stories.
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And he came prepared like a like the stats in
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the game against Morocco and like a whee laminate folder.
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And he still was still really annoyed that Archie McPherson
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was really critical of Scotland's performance. Now, it was a
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long time since since I remember. I remember I would
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have been about twelve at the time. I remember thinking
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would absolutely destroy them. I've never heard the Morocco before.
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I could even point that the team felt.
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That was it. That's exactly what he was talking about.
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The stats, like talking about possession and corners, and I
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remember seeing that, well, I mean they ultimately beat us
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where it's most important, putting the.
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Ball in the back of it and cmember Jim late
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and getting loved in his line.
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So that was a Haggie, but he was a Coventry
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that they were there, really good Hagie, cheap pole and
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that was that was what Graig.
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Bully gets sent off.
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And Brune he gets sent off because he died, sent them.
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Off for I think the remaining team if you remember
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remember that before had done that.
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I think it was that that to them was they
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all get.
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Brownie gave us one afternoon off and Buddy disappeared and
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came back there.
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Raise his profile a little bit more than the next game.
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Good memories.
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So let's take it back then to we're talking about
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the World Cup. Back to domestic your team of just
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been pipped the titles are.
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Get out of the playoffs, I Stennis Muir, it was
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a more stress you know something that the season that
501
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.839
season there's been probably we won the league in twenty
502
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three twenty four, which was incredible. So that's the first
503
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.799
that's the first time the team I've ever lefted a
504
00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:17.519
title on their history one hundred and forty year history
505
00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.839
and had very little show on the park. Of course
506
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:22.720
it was man course was it was amazing. It was
507
00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.319
like so cathartic and just going out there and just
508
00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.640
what they thank the players who had which it was
509
00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.359
an amazing season, absolutely amazing. This season has been I
510
00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.039
wouldn't say it's been better, but it's probably like as fun,
511
00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:35.839
but for a different way. I think at the beginning
512
00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.319
of the campaign we had been told that there had
513
00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.400
been budget cuts that Gary Smith was working with like
514
00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:43.279
just budget and we'd kept on a lot of players.
515
00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.400
I went a lot of guys coming in in pre season.
516
00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.839
I think we found it really difficult to sign players.
517
00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.880
We started the season where basically we had like two
518
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.359
subs on the bench for the a League Cup game
519
00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.880
against Morton. The following match in the League Cup we're
520
00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:58.519
playing against Motherwell and in this postmatch into you Nasa
521
00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.519
said we'd actually were and templating right into the SPFL
522
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:03.519
looking to forfeit the game because he just didn't have
523
00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.240
a squad they could put out. So our expectations were
524
00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.559
quite low going into the season. And it's the fact
525
00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:10.720
that you're going right up to the very last day
526
00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.440
taking on Inverness Caladi and so could not be more
527
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.720
proud that the team every weekend, that's in fact every
528
00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.039
week that's all it was geared to, just like counting
529
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:20.440
down the days to get to the weekend to go
530
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:21.279
watch the football.
531
00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.079
And we go all over the country, like up to.
532
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.039
Co Rangers, to to to peter Head, to Invernest, like
533
00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:28.000
down to the Queen of the South and it was great.
534
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.640
It's been a brilliant season and never a million years
535
00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.279
thought the team would finish in the second place, never
536
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.640
in a million years think the team would actually be challenging,
537
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.119
like for the title up into the to the very end.
538
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:39.880
So we go against Queen of the South, who we've
539
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:41.200
got a decent record against.
540
00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:42.400
Over the piece there are there are.
541
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A good side quite similar to Tennesspe in terms of
542
00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.200
the profile of the players in terms of the like
543
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.960
a lot of physicality, a lot of trickery in the wings.
544
00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:49.680
Like like good players.
545
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.279
And I think that that the manager Peter Murphy, when
546
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:54.799
we had we'd beaten them to now it was very
547
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.440
the world. I thought he was quite disrespectful the way
548
00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:58.960
he spoke with them. He said, you know they got
549
00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:01.839
they go to their business. Well, you know they they've
550
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:03.680
got a certain style of player. I thought he was
551
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.960
quite like playing down. I think he was annoyed that
552
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.039
Stenny had had beaten complaining about that the park and
553
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.200
plain about injuries and that because of.
554
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:12.680
Because of the park. So it was quite good to
555
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:14.319
quite good to get up him.
556
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.359
And so I'm hoping, I'm hoping we've got a chance
557
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.599
to beat them, and the thought of like playing championship
558
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:21.400
football next season.
559
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.640
I mean it's a tough game. Like Edge and Aloe
560
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:24.319
are good sides.
561
00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:26.240
I think I think Ergia are probably the famous I
562
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.000
was at there game against Good at Morton on Friday
563
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.920
right when they do when they drew one one with him.
564
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:32.559
I think they're a good team, you know.
565
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.240
I think they got a lot of good players in
566
00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:35.759
the team, like to pass the ball, a lot of
567
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.400
good combinations in the park, like a guy like Chris
568
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:42.200
Mokry up front, who's quite like not you're an orthodox striker,
569
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.240
the fact he's almost like a false nine you and
570
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.000
Henderson playing off them. They're gonna be a tough team,
571
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.079
but you know, I never thought that we'd be challenges
572
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.160
of the title, So who knows, who knows happened?
573
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.240
He's quite a young team.
574
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:54.400
I think it's a good profile and there's a couple
575
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.079
of older guys there, like guys like Buchanan, Darren Jamison,
576
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:01.440
Dale Carrick from The Heart's Player there and Ross Meek
577
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:04.000
and the other guys who are like over over thirty.
578
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:05.480
The rest of the team, it's all like sort of
579
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.079
like mid twenties, some teenagers in there.
580
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:07.400
Guys.
581
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.519
I've seen a clip on I think it was Twitter.
582
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.279
They were coming back to the stadium after the game. Yeah,
583
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.799
there's a few of the guys. You've got a bar
584
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.920
at the they were kind of out clapping them back
585
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:20.799
and every every kid that walked by, I was like,
586
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.400
this looks a bodybe just same really young eye.
587
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.759
It was good good players as well.
588
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.079
It's like first and foremost like guys that are like
589
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.920
like technically really good players, guys that can get and
590
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.079
just guys that are really fit and guys that really
591
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:36.839
fit into what Nesmith wants to do. There's that there's a
592
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.160
lot of emphasis on like like what being good without
593
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.519
the ball. He was talking around an interview. He was
594
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:44.720
talking about Ollie White, who we've gotten loan from mother. Well,
595
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.359
you know, when the players that come through the cooperation
596
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.839
agreement between the clubs, all of White's been brilliant. He
597
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.440
was saying that when we played Falkirk in the Scottish Cup,
598
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.079
it went to one hundred and twenty minutes, went to
599
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:57.279
extra time, only White it covered seventeen kilometers over the
600
00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:58.559
course of that game.
601
00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.640
And there's there's a lot of other players that can
602
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:01.279
that can do that.
603
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:04.759
So it's legs and quality and technical ability and pace
604
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.000
and abundance and just like guys that it's not something
605
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.799
I've really seen it stendess me before, but it's guys
606
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.799
that have been there for like a long time. Normally,
607
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.920
you know, the lower leaves of the churned. Guys are
608
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.880
there for like one season, two season, move on the
609
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.920
core of the team. There's like Darren jameson greg By
610
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.079
Cannon coming for the fourth year at the club, Like
611
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.079
Mikey Anderson next year he's going to be in a
612
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.039
six year rossmaking across two spells.
613
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:25.039
He's going to his eighth year.
614
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.599
There's a lot of continuity there and as a fan,
615
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:31.079
it's brilliant as guys that you are like really identifiable with.
616
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:32.759
And Van.
617
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:42.400
Absolutely and yeah together, yeah totally too much, totally. I
618
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.440
think I think are going to change a wee bit now.
619
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.119
There's going to be a couple of guys. I think
620
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.720
it's like Gary Oliver, Alfreyagum and Tom Lang who were
621
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:51.799
really good for them when they were in like League
622
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:52.920
One and the championship.
623
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.680
But I think the club's probably evolved past them a
624
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:56.039
wee bit.
625
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:02.000
Probably the championship that is the ceiling for a part
626
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:03.960
time team, and it'd be great if we could do it.
627
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.839
And it's the same guys, like the same back for
628
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.039
the same goalkeeper who won League Two.
629
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.400
That you can go up and hopefully hold your own
630
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.400
in a division above. It's great. It's a total gift.
631
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.200
They've been following the club for more than twenty years
632
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:16.799
and the last like three and a hal years pretty
633
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.599
much since Nathanuth walked down the door. I've just been incredible.
634
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:20.519
Can'ry thank him enough?
635
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.440
Even the part time one, even the championship and our
636
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:29.680
broth well they have done yeah, getting into the playoffs.
637
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:32.240
Incredible because they when David Gold and Colin Hamilton took over,
638
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.799
they were bought in the League one that time and
639
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:36.400
they've they've done really well.
640
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:37.000
In terms of the guys.
641
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:38.680
They will say, I know that our browth, I've got
642
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.880
a bit more money compared to some other like part
643
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.079
time teams. I was at gay Field earlier in the season.
644
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.559
That the first thing I've been there a number of years,
645
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.480
and just like seeing how like spruced up it is.
646
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.839
The money it's not just been put on the playing
647
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.119
staff in the infantry as well as like a really
648
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.400
nice office and club shopping there.
649
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.599
It's great, but it still retains the charm of Gayfield.
650
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.759
You can still walk around the you can still walk
651
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.440
around the pitch, so they've they've done really well.
652
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:05.279
It's not outside the realms of possibility. You know.
653
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.440
It's better to be like a like a good part
654
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.920
time team rather like a mediocre full time team. I
655
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:11.920
think that, like when I'm talking about fitness there, I
656
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.079
think there's guys who want to be good football players.
657
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.720
They've completely committed to being football players. And even if
658
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.960
you're part time, guys that look after themselves outside the game, Guys.
659
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.359
That take it really seriously to eat right.
660
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.359
They're at the gym, like if they're not when they're
661
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.359
not training at the gym doing running and exercising. And
662
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:28.720
I think we've got a lot of guys that that
663
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.359
really look after themselves.
664
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.359
And I think that's it doesn't matter if you're full
665
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:32.759
to a party.
666
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.359
Also, we've got more time like to talk and shape
667
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.359
and and stuff like that. But if you're looking after
668
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.400
yourself and you you all buy into what the manager's
669
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.359
looking to do, then that's a huge advantage.
670
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.039
To start the playoffs Friday.
671
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.599
They start the playoffs on I think Friday. I am
672
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.039
just at home. First, we're away at Queen's. Unfortunately, I'm
673
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.759
not going to I'm not going to be able to
674
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.839
to make either game. I've got that a dinner out
675
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.440
on Tuesday night, and then I've got I'm coming up
676
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.519
for my fortieth is is next week and so my
677
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:03.400
makes have organized like a day out for me on
678
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.720
the Saturday. So I'm really looking forward to it. But
679
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.799
it's just sort of we'll be like half half looking
680
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.880
at the phone. It's the entire time. If we do
681
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.880
make it into the finals, the final is taking place
682
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.759
at some Saturday, the sixteenth and a half five kickoff.
683
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.720
It's been moved for the television supposed to have a
684
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.440
family dinner. I've had to say to them, listen, we
685
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.079
might need to. We might need to to arrange because
686
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.319
the prospect of like seeing the team getting promoted to
687
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.920
the championship and not being there to do it. I
688
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.480
couldn't like after the season, missing the Chemi finals maybe
689
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:32.519
that's one thing, but the finals.
690
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.759
Couldn't couldn't miss that, not a chance.
691
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.599
So career wise obviously described at the start as the
692
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.519
man off the teley? Where where where did you go
693
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.400
from school? How did you your career?
694
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:47.000
So from from school I went to study Dinglis's at
695
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:50.079
University of Glasgow and basically didn't take it as seriously
696
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:51.880
as I should have done. You know, basically I kind
697
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.279
of went went to lectures like just mucked her out
698
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.000
that didn't and didn't didn't didn't work is hard as
699
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:58.880
I sure have done, and left with a pretty a
700
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.640
pretty mediocre degree, to be honest, and then went into
701
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.880
work at like call center, working, and and so I
702
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.039
was just kind of like drifting a period. I was
703
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:09.440
playing in a band a period as well, And I
704
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.000
don't know if it was like thinking, oh, I'm going
705
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.839
to make it, so that's your excuse not to work
706
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.240
work hard academically because you've got this in the back
707
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.519
burner and you can maybe go and kick on and
708
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.839
become become a musician. But I got a chance to
709
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.920
go back to university of a friend of mine who
710
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.480
I went to went to Glasgow with, who had gone
711
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.839
to the Glassow Calidor University study of postgrad in multimedia journalism.
712
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.720
And off the back of her qualification she went to
713
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.920
work for the BBC's like a researcher for the Jewels
714
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.440
Holland Show. So she was getting to like work with
715
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.119
like I think she meant like you too, and muse
716
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.240
and stuff like that, so really like like topping. And
717
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.359
she was telling about the course and saying like this,
718
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.559
it's brilliant. I had a great time and I've gone
719
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.319
I didn't eat. She didn't even finish it because when
720
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.279
when she did a work experience at the BBC, there
721
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.160
was somebody leaving and she got on so well. Then
722
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.680
they offered her the person is the person's jobs, so
723
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.400
she didn't even complete it. She just got and see
724
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.440
you got into it. So I applied for it off
725
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.880
the back of that and it was lucky enough to
726
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.079
get in. And when I was doing the course, I
727
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.680
was viewing Twitter a lot of the time. I was
728
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.920
talking to a boy, John Maxwell, who's a Ross County fan,
729
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.839
and we were talking about how there's nothing there's not
730
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.599
like a quality website for like lower league Scottish football.
731
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:18.559
He's a Ross County fan.
732
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.240
This is the period where they were they've gone like
733
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.759
forty forty games on beating when they won the first
734
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.720
Division and went into the championship under den Ack Adams,
735
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.039
I think it was. But we were talking about how
736
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.400
there's not like a really good place for lower league Scottish.
737
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.119
So we started this website, brought another couple of guys
738
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.880
Sean mcgiggan who would a view for the Terrace with
739
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:38.880
as well. He was one of the guys, and off
740
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.359
the back of that we did it for like three years.
741
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.200
One of the teams we covered the remember like yeah
742
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.000
you Party Thistle team. We wrote a lot about them
743
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.240
because they were they were like probably pound for pound,
744
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.839
I think one of the best lower league teams of
745
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.240
all time, absolutely like superb side, privileged to write about.
746
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.160
And then off the back of that, Craig Fowler, who
747
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.359
runs a Terrace podcast, got in touch and said they
748
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.960
were looking to expand their coverage away from just talking
749
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.119
at the top flight into the lower leagues. Would like
750
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.319
to be involved as like one hundred percent and so
751
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.440
had been involved with the terryst podcast ever since come
752
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.000
to the summer at twenty eighteen.
753
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.200
So that's a long story, but this is just the contexts.
754
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.359
Come to summer twenty eighteen, the BBC Scotland Channel was
755
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.559
in the process of launching and Craig Feller got a
756
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.559
DM on Twitter from a guy, David Taran, who's like
757
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.640
a commissioner at the BBC Big Hearts Fan and I
758
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.720
had listened to the terryst podcast and he explain to him,
759
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.880
We've got this hour long slot that's opening up for
760
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.279
like a magazine style football show. Could the Terrorist podcast
761
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.880
be turned into a TV show? And so one of
762
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.079
the guys who's involved with Terras Boys, Robert Borthwick, was
763
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.759
working for a creative agency at the time, Studio Something.
764
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.559
All very serendipitous and they were looking to break into television.
765
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.799
So Fowler met with Jordan Lairdonian Greenhill, who owned Studio Something,
766
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.799
and the discussions got underway. We were giving money to
767
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.240
shoot a pilot, filmed it in Leath and we just
768
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.680
thought like, this is just going to be a class
769
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:55.480
week thing we got made.
770
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.559
I've made a TV show. They'll never go anywhere.
771
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.640
I think there was us and it's like four other
772
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.920
people competing for it like some high profile mings.
773
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.000
We just thought like this'd be a good laugh, let's
774
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:04.680
see how we get on.
775
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.559
And then a couple of months later find out that
776
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.079
we had been picked, and it was like incredible, you know,
777
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.599
to hang out with your mates talk about football, all
778
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:13.640
levels of football, the kind of not just like focusing
779
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.079
on like Rangers and Celtic and Scotland. You're talking about
780
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.640
like ann and breaking and counting beef and all that.
781
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.960
And that was twenty nineteen and it's been going since then.
782
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:24.839
So we're not one hundred percent sure of it's going
783
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.000
to be coming back, you know, it's a bit of
784
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.359
a tough economic climate for the for the BBC and
785
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.400
for the BBC Scotland Channel, but hope, hopefully we can
786
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.200
come back for season number nine. So it's been it's
787
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.400
been amazing fun to do. And that's obviously how I
788
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.200
got to know jackiecause Jackie was one of the guests.
789
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.359
He was and it wasn't my finest hour, was it?
790
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On Twitter? One night took osten.
791
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That that's why I know something.
792
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.839
Actually, I'd actually completely forgotten about it until when Jackied
793
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got in. All because because Jackie actually reminded me about
794
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.920
that and I went back and I went back and looked,
795
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:01.720
and I thought it was quite.
796
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:04.319
Funny because I just I've met you in the past, simeon.
797
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.480
Night we'd work together at the Scottish Cup events.
798
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.440
Was on your show not long after because it brought.
799
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:17.599
It was like listen, I I you know something. I
800
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.359
understand why people might not necessarily like of you for
801
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:20.799
the terrace.
802
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.119
You know. It's like it's I think and maybe I've
803
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changed the wee bit.
804
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.839
Now I'm not just saying this because it's actually grown
805
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:36.519
on as that's good time you're talking about that thing
806
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.039
as well. Was it less of Hammon? And we were
807
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:40.000
doing a it.
808
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.839
Was me, you, Jerry Crawley and Liam Craig, Yes.
809
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:44.559
Slam Craig and I've walked into the room and I've
810
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.000
seen your hosting it and I thought.
811
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.640
This could be uncomfortable, but it was actually I.
812
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:51.960
Was brilliant, you know that. It was. The event itself
813
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:52.559
was really good.
814
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.880
But I remember, like beforehand, we were in one of
815
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.759
the rooms in the GM macallene pavilion there and it
816
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.480
was just just before us and we're sitting around the
817
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.599
table like doing just now and I think we were
818
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:03.839
talking about like youth football and youth development, and I
819
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.359
was just like, I've got I was like a big
820
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.360
interesting I was just asking questions and it was just
821
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.000
amazing listen to like folk just it was a really
822
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.360
really interesting discussion. I mean, so I was just like
823
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.199
that that's brilliant and that like say that the event
824
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.840
went really well. So I can there was never any
825
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:19.480
of what was doing.
826
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.519
We were like pull you up or anything like that.
827
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.039
I can understand me. But you know, you know something
828
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.400
that it's like it's to begin with.
829
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.280
When the show first went out in twenty nineteen, you know,
830
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.079
it's very different to wat's out there. You know, we're
831
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:33.480
seeing it.
832
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.239
It's not as unusual you know, fanly content. You're seeing
833
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:37.199
a lot of the like Sky.
834
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.239
Sports for instance, they're producing a lot of programs where
835
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.639
there's finally content. But I'd think back in twenty nineteen,
836
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.000
there wasn't as much of it there, and I think
837
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:46.880
people might watch it and be like the fuck are
838
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:48.840
these guys what they talking about? And the way the
839
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.320
show's presented as well, it's it's there's like different rappers.
840
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.760
There's like ones called like you Build you Ultimate five Team,
841
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.280
like the guys that are doing well. So say, for instance,
842
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.320
Martin Giggan, we'll take take take big, big market Gunhew
843
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.320
that party because you can put them on your five
844
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.360
team and basically a chance to bring clips of Martin
845
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.519
mcgag and scoring goals and talking about them and just
846
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.079
the way it's done is basically just a discussion about football.
847
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.119
But it's got an interesting wrapper on it, and I
848
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.079
can understand people watching it and not liking it a
849
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.400
bit weird that first, you know, when when you first
850
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.559
see the criticism on Twitter, you would work really hard
851
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.119
to pull episodes together and you think this is this
852
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.079
is great, We've got something more really proud of, and
853
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.519
it goes out to this is fucking shite. You know,
854
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.840
it's quite weird to but now it's something you see criticism,
855
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.960
it's like, it's just it's a bit bad when it's
856
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:36.639
come for guys. So you mail for your sticker books
857
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.079
and you saw a chair for Scotland.
858
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:38.880
That's that's a bit.
859
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.519
That's a bit different. But but I get I get it,
860
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.480
and what I what I do quite quite like. And
861
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.360
just what you're saying there is like people who maybe
862
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.159
have slagged off in the past, but see I'll give
863
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.239
us another chance and they're actually Nactually I quite quite
864
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:50.519
like it.
865
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:51.559
I can quite end it.
866
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:56.039
So that's that's nice because it was on It was
867
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.119
the knowledge that you guys had the lower leagues, Yeah,
868
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.920
because they age. You said that this is as a
869
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.119
premier and I think there's so many of we hidden
870
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.199
gems on total leagues that get a chance to play,
871
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.159
you know. The biggest obviously one has been Andy Robertson
872
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.400
over the year Queen's part for League Two that we
873
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.199
took up the road.
874
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.480
But I always looked at the lower leagues. I always
875
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.119
looked at the kids here get just getting them playing
876
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.920
the experience, you know, because I think in today's football
877
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:27.840
it's difficult to get them competitive games. Yeah, you know,
878
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.199
if they don't, if they're not good enough at sixteen
879
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.320
eighteen to go into a first team, let go.
880
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.800
Yeah, and you know I wasn't ready at that age.
881
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.360
I don't know about you, but maybe you were. You
882
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.199
just getting Breaklant and Celtic, but it's so difficult.
883
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:44.280
It was different for us.
884
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.119
We touched on it before about the reserve football back
885
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:47.880
when we were playing.
886
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.280
It was remember something that discussion was that proper you
887
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.760
were playing the proper seeing your pros were you were
888
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.280
playing against seing your pros.
889
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.599
I remember playing against Hats at ten Castle and Emmon
890
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.400
Barnon was playing sweeper. I had watched them and Bannon
891
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.599
flying up and down the wind for Dundee righted and
892
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.480
he was playing at sweeper. Any more or less than
893
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.639
they gave me a kick, But it was a lesson
894
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.000
for me. Yeah, so that when they jump to first
895
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.639
team football, it wasn't as huge who it is nowadays.
896
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.840
I think it is you know, the pol stuff.
897
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.840
It's such a big gap to get there, and I
898
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.039
think the reserve football I I take now squad sizes
899
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.760
and stuff. It can't we can't do it. But looking
900
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.360
back I would change that. That was great education for us.
901
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.840
Making sure as well. I think that's why the cooperation
902
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.239
agreement is good. Like I think you've the clubs have
903
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.079
got to work hard with one of us. So I mean,
904
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:35.960
I'm going to use the aample like annonn Athletic went
905
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.320
into a cooperation agreement with kil Marnik and like they think,
906
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.159
they took four players on loan, two of them were
907
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:42.840
sent back like after a couple of weeks. Well, I
908
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.360
Gibson speaking just says like they're just not ready. They've
909
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.239
done the more that I can't. They're not ready to
910
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.000
play for ann and so that they're well off it.
911
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.920
But you look at a good example like Ala and Rangers.
912
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.559
There's a number of good players they like think like
913
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.000
Calum Burnside, Calum Adams and Lewis Stewart have come on
914
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.679
for Readers now, but not they're going to be good
915
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.920
enough for Rangers as a as a different story, because
916
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.679
I's very rare that that young players like breaking a Rangers.
917
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.679
But these guys have got a season on their belts
918
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.280
playing competitive football that will hold them in brilliant instead
919
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.599
for the for careers. Allie White is it ex Tennismere.
920
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.000
I think he's got a right good chance. He's a big,
921
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.039
strong boy as well, the way he runs quite like
922
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:20.239
John McGain, the way he can.
923
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.960
Sort of like pass players.
924
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.639
So you hopefully that that he can make an impact
925
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.239
a mother will or go on loan in the championship
926
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:28.960
or elsewhere. I think it's one of the benefits about
927
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.119
being a part time team as well. The parent club
928
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:32.760
can keep an eye on you and you can show
929
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.440
you and then you can you can send off to
930
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.519
like one night a week and then and get the games.
931
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.800
But it's a I think that the developing youth players.
932
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.639
I think you ask a hundred different people, you'll probably
933
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.119
a hundred different answers. Is to the best way, to
934
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:44.000
the best way.
935
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:44.159
To do it?
936
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:48.079
Follow that I will, I'll give you the apologies.
937
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.000
Please, I'm pleasing with the chance to you watch it
938
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:55.480
and you've enjoyed it.
939
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.559
You mentioned a band that you played in a band
940
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.079
I did.
941
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.360
What was your role that I played the best guitar,
942
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.199
played the bass guitar. I've always always wanted to play
943
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.440
the bass guitar because I like it was a terrible name.
944
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.800
Were called Marlowe, which is just what it sounds like
945
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.079
a dog. You know.
946
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.199
No under the band didn't make it. No on the
947
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.559
band didn't make it. But I played played the bass guitar.
948
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.079
Always members a wee boy wanted to play the bass guitar.
949
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.840
I just think it looked really cool. You know, that's
950
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.039
sort of like a quite a physical instrument. You know,
951
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:26.960
like what you see that somebody playing with the players,
952
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.519
and why why is this? Why is this person like
953
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:33.000
playing with their fingers and I like my parents parents separated,
954
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:33.960
my stepdad moved.
955
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.559
Into the house and he had like guitars with him.
956
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.599
He's a guitar player, so it was like acoustic guitars
957
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.920
and electric guitars are in the house. And when my
958
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.559
dad met my step mom, my stepbrother Christopher calls Himkippi.
959
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.719
He was a keyboard player and guitar player. So it
960
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.199
was like in both houses there was loads of musical instruments.
961
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.280
And I can still remember like Kippy's girlfriend at the time,
962
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.079
she gave him a copy of the Stone Roses debut album.
963
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:55.639
It was like an anniversary edition. It was like a
964
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:56.360
double disc.
965
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.599
And the it was quite nice at that, like a
966
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.840
booklet as well with four hoes and stuff, and we
967
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.559
like we essay about the album. So the album on
968
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.760
one disc and then like what the world was waiting for?
969
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.880
Fools gold and all that, and then the second disc
970
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:10.719
and I can I can still remember clear as they
971
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:16.880
hearing she bangs and drums, but it was like hearing
972
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.159
she bangs drums and that was like, I mean bass guitar.
973
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.400
So I had like a wee bit of savings at
974
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.440
the time, went to a guy in Polment just outside Falk,
975
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.760
but offender mustang bass like bright orange color which I
976
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.360
still got and that was it like playing the bass.
977
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:29.480
First song learned to play.
978
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.320
Was the Chain by Fleetwood mac End of the Chain
979
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.559
and then just like like got into it for their
980
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.480
So Marlow was good fun. It was good for We
981
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.039
were really into like really into you too. That's that's
982
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.400
my favorite band to the point where I think we
983
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.079
had a song called a Cross Winter and I think
984
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.039
if Bono was to hear.
985
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.440
It, he could could take us to court for copyright.
986
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.159
And it was of about three different you two songs
987
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.639
in especially five minutes. But it was it was good
988
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.679
fun like it was good for there's nothing do you
989
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.519
still see the guys? Still see the guys I like,
990
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:58.920
like one of the guys in band was my step
991
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.280
but the kipe he played like a guitar. Make Conny
992
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.800
was the was a singer and it was there's there's
993
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.000
moments I still think about some of the most like
994
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.960
like genuinely like like some of the most life affirming moments.
995
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:13.079
And I don't know if you guys have ever found this.
996
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.000
If you like play music or you are you you
997
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.320
write stuff and that, but see when you're you're you're
998
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:19.679
writing a song, you're you're working at the cord sequences,
999
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.559
not that you're working about how to take a song
1000
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.000
from like say the bridge into the chorus. I can
1001
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.719
still remember you're coming up with ideas and just a
1002
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.079
bit where somebody plays a certain chord into one and
1003
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.920
it's a bit where everyone's like, that's it, that's it, brilliant.
1004
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.280
I can remember as well. That is quite indulgent.
1005
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.760
Here's something you going down memory lane.
1006
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.800
But we had briefly played with synthesizer and to connected
1007
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.000
into in the practice room, it connected into the like
1008
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.280
the speakers where the simon come out and to get
1009
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:46.840
to the levels you put on our peggie and go
1010
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.400
and then they're just the levels. I remembered like mucking
1011
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.920
about the synthesizer and my stepbrother like Keepy playing the
1012
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.679
guitars guitar part over the top of it, and Mark
1013
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:58.719
the drummers playing this drum beat, and this song called
1014
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.840
who Do You Love came together. So it's fifteen minutes.
1015
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.519
It still stands up. I'll send it to you because
1016
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.679
it's like very good. But that's one of the moments
1017
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.639
where it's just like was like we're on something here
1018
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.519
and it's like those are some are some of my
1019
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.199
favorite memories. I want to kind of, you know something
1020
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.000
of the most difficult thing. I think it's see when
1021
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.840
you're see when you're younger, and seeing you've got that
1022
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.599
energy and enthusiasm, see like driving long distances, like say,
1023
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.320
if you've got like a remember playing gig like down
1024
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.719
at at berrick upon tweet like it didn't get paid
1025
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.320
for it, but it's just a gig. So you drive
1026
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.719
down like to like the two about hours from like
1027
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.920
saying Falkirk at the time to the gig, and you're
1028
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:36.519
getting back at.
1029
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:37.840
The house about like one in the morning.
1030
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:39.360
But you don't you mind, because it's just getting the
1031
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.760
chance to perform your music in front of people. Whereas
1032
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.159
now when you're older, you still have the fire in
1033
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.039
the belly to go and do it. And as part
1034
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.480
of it, thinks I just love to love to like
1035
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.320
just play songs and write songs, even if it's just
1036
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:52.880
for yourself.
1037
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:54.559
But it's just it's fine.
1038
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.920
Times difficult, you know, it is now where everyone's times
1039
00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:58.519
at a premium.
1040
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.159
Folk have got waynes folk have got.
1041
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.320
The responsibilities like outside of it, and it's a shame.
1042
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:04.639
I've still got the guitars in the house and I
1043
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.599
still like just pick them up and play them from
1044
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.559
time things just when you're walking on your kind of
1045
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:10.440
work at your desk and you're you're taking away breaks,
1046
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:12.880
you just get the guitar around and you I just
1047
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:14.400
just have a wee shot and play the old songs.
1048
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.239
But it's great, man, it's great. It's it's a total gift.
1049
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.320
And I think that if if everyone like music, if
1050
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.800
you've got the opportunity to play an instiment flight from
1051
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.639
kids all outwards, it's it's a total gift.
1052
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:26.360
You do.
1053
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.760
No, no, I just I've been asked us before a
1054
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.159
couple of cards, but nothing of.
1055
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.119
How you're talking about, like like kicking on both for lessons.
1056
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.119
And I had lessons when I was Celtic, Big Big
1057
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.559
Brian and he will put me onto somebody. But I
1058
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.159
just get frustrated because I couldn't play instantly doing to
1059
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.360
stick at it. You know something, You're like, why can
1060
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.639
I not play this full song straight?
1061
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:46.199
Totally?
1062
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.119
I think it's when you first start playing the guitar,
1063
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.400
you're basically like training your fingers to go into weird
1064
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.280
like see the idea of like like there's me playing
1065
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.039
like a C major corda but it's the idea of
1066
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.760
like bending all these fingers into position is really difficult
1067
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.599
in that takes patience and that takes time.
1068
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.960
And if if you.
1069
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.119
Play Oasis straight away, although a three cords it might
1070
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:07.559
have been, you.
1071
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.400
Could have, you could have, but it's just it's that
1072
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.360
sort of stuff that you can you just need to
1073
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:13.159
push past that.
1074
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.440
That's probably I mean, I've played the trombone but for
1075
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:16.320
a week bit at school.
1076
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.840
No, if you try to think of like all the instruments,
1077
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.599
you could have had the opportunity to play the trumpet
1078
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.920
or the trompblone, but I thought that's going to look cool,
1079
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.119
whereas the big promadenny joint because of a pain in
1080
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.119
the arse, Like walking to school with this big thing
1081
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.159
slapping around, where's a trumpet would have been quite like
1082
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.880
Miles Davis and stuff like that, that would have been
1083
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.960
quite cool. Trombone saxophone being quite cool.
1084
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:37.400
You know.
1085
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.079
See when you're in the house and you're trying to
1086
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.320
practice your scales and the trombone, it's just just annoying
1087
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.119
for everyone, absolutely, even more so than like the bass guitar,
1088
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.559
and like like a trombone would have I really know everyone,
1089
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.400
but that's the kind of regret I didn't stick in it.
1090
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.360
That it's one of those things that when you're younger,
1091
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.000
you don't.
1092
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.280
Think it's particularly cool, like playing the trroumbone, whereas now
1093
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.639
you get older you think you could be.
1094
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.079
Those bands that have brought the likes of the trumpet
1095
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:01.719
and stuff as well.
1096
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.360
Like I like to see Olivia Dean actually the Hydrolancy
1097
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.079
on Wednesday, and just like looking at her band of
1098
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.280
guys or saxophone player, trumpet, a trombone playing, they look
1099
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.599
really cool. Those guys are a really good show. But
1100
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:15.360
it's one of those things.
1101
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.960
Well, on that note, then musical. We'll finish with what
1102
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:21.239
we do.
1103
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.679
We get our guests to recommend to the next guest
1104
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:26.920
a film, a band, and a song.
1105
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.400
Oh okay, when we caught you on the.
1106
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:33.199
Hot So we had Shabana hern on last and her
1107
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.159
film was quite a recent one, one battle after another.
1108
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.920
Oh right, DiCaprio, we've seen it. It's really good.
1109
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:39.320
Looks.
1110
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.360
I love Paul Thomas Anderson stuff, like I think I've
1111
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:42.840
watched all his other movies and that's the one.
1112
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:43.360
That's what.
1113
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:45.760
I'll definitely get that go.
1114
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.039
She went for West Life. World of her Own is
1115
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:50.039
the song.
1116
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.719
Okay, already heard that one, that one, and she never.
1117
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:53.159
Picked an album.
1118
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.400
We had Adam Scott brown on and both haven't picked
1119
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.480
an album. They're too young to pick albums. There was
1120
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.199
no such thing, which is older UBI.
1121
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.079
Would just be a scooter. So he was, so, we
1122
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:05.039
want a film off you.
1123
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.639
We want an.
1124
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.519
Album okay, okay, and a song okay, okay, Right, I'll
1125
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:08.800
give you.
1126
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.599
I'll give you a film first, Paul Thomas Hans Move
1127
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:14.079
One Battle.
1128
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.480
After that, I'll give you the most recent movie that
1129
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.000
I watched watching it's excellent.
1130
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:19.360
The band she's been a shearing.
1131
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:20.199
I've seen it.
1132
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:21.079
What do you think?
1133
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:22.119
Yes, with the.
1134
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.519
Colin Farrell and Brendan.
1135
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.280
Was my wife though she did a like a bathroom.
1136
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.760
It was really good on the island.
1137
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.480
It's like it's like two guys might have been they've
1138
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.280
been friends for years and all of a sudden, one
1139
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.000
term or something just says, listen, I don't want to
1140
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.039
be friends with you anymore.
1141
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:40.239
I find you really dull.
1142
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:46.519
I want to credit and then I just just escalates.
1143
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.039
No, it's it's excellent. Have you seen him Brucees, because
1144
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.039
it's the same.
1145
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.360
Guy that road director of Bruis's Colin Farrell and Brendan
1146
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:57.840
Gleish and so if you like that really it's really.
1147
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.079
Funny actually as well, so good choice. I highly recommend
1148
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.360
that album and a song I'll Get You My, I'll.
1149
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.000
Get My Favorite album of all time. Favorite album of
1150
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.920
all time is Hats by the Blue Nile. So we
1151
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.559
were just talking for we bought it of record. But
1152
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.039
the Blue and Isle were a band from Glasgow. I'm
1153
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.239
not sure the opposite of prolific is, but this is
1154
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.480
what the blueele They released four albums across twenty years,
1155
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.719
and their first tw albums, I Walk Across the Rooftops
1156
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.880
and Hats are like genuine ten out of ten albums,
1157
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.800
and Hats the second album came out in nineteen eighty nine.
1158
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.480
It's it's extraordinary, really good. They've got a it's quite cold,
1159
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.599
like sort of like synthesizer music, but they've got a
1160
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.719
really good sing I Paul By Cannon's got a really rich,
1161
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.239
warm voice. You can imagine him like singing like like
1162
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.239
Frank Sinatra songs. And they're all songs about like love
1163
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.280
and loss and fall in love and falling out of
1164
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.599
love and if you imagine sort of like walking down
1165
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.000
Buyers road at like three in the morning. That's what
1166
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.599
The Blue and Isle sound like. So it is really
1167
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.519
really good stuff, really good stuff. They're a song pencil
1168
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.639
Town in the Rain, which is their big single, but
1169
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.239
hats is just hats is just amazing.
1170
00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.360
It's really really good album.
1171
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.440
I remember going to a period of them, like you know,
1172
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.280
when you're younger, I just want to listen to want
1173
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.440
to listen to music, and you're you're basically going, yeah,
1174
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.320
borrowing your parents series and just littime.
1175
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:09.440
Remember, get a loan of hats off.
1176
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.239
My uncle he gave me a pilot series and something's
1177
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.800
like Paul pin Oasis, which I've heard of, but this band,
1178
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.639
The Blue and Isle, never heard them and stick it
1179
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.599
all and just been like this is this is absolutely uncle.
1180
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.400
Yeah, So that's it, The Hatski Blue and I.
1181
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.360
You give a listen and a song, Okay, right, I'll
1182
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:25.079
give you a song.
1183
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.400
Right, I'll give you a song. Probably the best song
1184
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.400
from twenty to twenty five. A band nourish by time.
1185
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.119
This is this guy Marcus brownce of an R and
1186
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:37.800
B singer from Baltimore. His album The Passionate Ones was
1187
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.840
brilliant as that was my album of twenty twenty five.
1188
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.199
I will give his song Max Potential a go. It's
1189
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.519
quite if you quite like Luther Van Ross and you
1190
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.119
quite imagine that it's said very similar to that, but
1191
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.519
sort of like a kind of DIY indie twist on
1192
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.599
t it. So he's very he's brilliant, amazing singer, and
1193
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.440
that's how I thought it was the best song off
1194
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.800
of his albums there, Max Potential buying I was by time.
1195
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:04.440
You listen to that as well. Excellent recommendations, Absolute pleasure
1196
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.360
to have you, brilliant, joy and enjoy.
1197
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:08.400
Thank you.
1198
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:10.159
Hopefully we can see the second roun