Bee Inspired

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Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with.
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Myself, Simon Donnelly and Turkey McNamara. And we're delighted to
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have a couple of guests on. It's only the second
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time we've had a duo since we started. And it's
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Mark Hawkins and Stephen Robb.
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Footballers stroke. into the life of fashion. We'll touch on
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that in a wee bit. How are yous getting on?
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You guys all right?
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Very good, very good, mate, very good.
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Every time I'm looking at your social media, they know
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yous are playing golf.
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Aye, we're keeping ourselves busy, aren't we?
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We've started something new, so we've started a new brand,
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and we wanted to do something that we loved, around
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what we loved, so how can we get an excuse
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to play golf every day?
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We can play golf two or three days a week,
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it'd be nice.
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He looks as if he knows what he's doing right enough,
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which he's got handicapped.
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Ten.
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He needs to start putting some cards in, mind you.
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Where do you play?
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Are you members?
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I'm a member at HAGS, HAGS Castle. I'm an Aylor
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on the East Coast. What do you do? 4.5.
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See when you put a point in, he hammers me.
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He's 10.9, he just didn't know what to tell us. Anybody,
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I'm just 4.14 for 30 years. Is that a band
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as well then? No, it can be.
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4.2 is good.
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I was doing it at 3.5 but then it's tough
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see the better you get it's hard you can't make
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any mistakes so it's just creeping back up you see
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the Scottish Golf app and you see your scores your
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good scores falling off at the bottom and you're replacing
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them with just mediocre.
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We played with Boy Dempsey didn't we the other day
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he was cat candy played off two or something he
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was very good he was good big.
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Challenge we grew on And he's obviously trying to get
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down to scratch.
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Now, it was that before we went on.
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I was winding him up. I says, some people looked
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at your swing and said, there's no chance you'll get
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a scratch.
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Aye.
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Afterwards, he was like... Then he hit like a 73
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or a 74 the next round.
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Aye, did he? I play over 35s with Charlie. He's
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still a good player. Aye. He's only a few years out.
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He's playing that 10 and 6 as well. Is he Celtic?
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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So how did you guys get to use childhood mates?
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Through St Mirren, actually.
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I was at St Mirren and Robbo basically replaced me,
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but there's a boy.
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Did you play together or not?
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It was just that exact crossover. I left United and
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then went to St Mirren.
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And I'd signed for Hamelin on a pre-contract and then
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Robbo came in.
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So we were kind of in the same friends group.
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Andy Dorman, Stephen McGinn, Diff Barn, Mark Howard, the boys.
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Yeah.
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So... we kind of just after training we kind of
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go and meet each other just for coffee or whatever
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and you were at Hamilton you just come and meet
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and then I moved in with Andy Dorman and then
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did Andy stay with me for a bit? Andy was
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staying I think his missus moved over from America and
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then I was staying with Andy got kicked out because
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his missus was coming in and I moved in with
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Mark and that's kind of where it all started and
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the Gorbals and the new Gorbals and they just lived
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together I lived together for a few years I was
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still my young lad was still up in Dundee so
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I was just kind of doing that kind of half
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half travelling we.
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Lived together a couple of times before and then he
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went away to Thailand and that's where we sort of
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started being inspired the first business then when he came
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back he moved in again so.
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I've been for a while now. Can I keep away?
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Like you used to? Aye.
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Aye, we never bunked.
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Like Scottish Ant and Dec, weren't we? We were the same.
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Like Scottish Ant and Dec.
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We were runnies for a spell under 21s was the
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first time, wasn't it?
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Yeah.
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And when you came to Celtic, a few months later. 95? 95, aye.
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I used to know you from Celtic.
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Under 21s, 20 starts. I used to sell majors.
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I'm a year younger than that.
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I saw that I saw that get it in I
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saw that get it in no it was it was
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the 21s and I don't know how we ended up together.
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In the 21s we're going to it's that way in
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the 21 no we did once I signed we did
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because I was running with Crawford.
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Stevie Crawford ah right ok can I mind long.
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Time ago so your football careers obviously went in different
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paths where was your most enjoyable career We.
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Had different parties going in at the senior, so I
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started in the youth team at Dundee, come through the
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typical S form, through the youth teams, under 21s, probably
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lucky that they had the under 21 league at the time,
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as it was a progression from going from the youth
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team into the first team. So with the under 21 league,
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there was that kind of three to five overage players
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they had at the time. So you maybe go away
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to Celtic or Rangers and Marco Negri's playing, De Boer's playing.
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And what a difference it made coming out from the
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youth team into that and it gave you that progression
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that i was at dundee at the time when all
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the italian boys were there the benetti's and stuff so
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i made i made my debut with you guys and
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it just took a little bit of time just because
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there was such a i think at dundee at the
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time i had a squad of eight years some of
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the kids for dundee who were getting five six and
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the wage bill must have been just.
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That's how they survive exactly that so i went on
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loan uh.
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Ray Throwers when Jim Duffy was the manager in the
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club administration and then I got called back straight away
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and says right that was me in the first team
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I think I played like 50-60 games in a row
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after that.
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I went through a very different route than that didn't
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I I ended up I was at Tayport Juniors then
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I went to uni in Edinburgh so I just signed
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Phil O'Neill just played Phil O'Neill we won the Scottish
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and then the next year we got to the Scottish
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Cup final again What did you go to do at uni?
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Marine Biology Seriously? Aye aye aye how did that go?
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It did go great mate I thought I was going
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to be using that I'm definitely not I thought I
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was going to be swimming with dolphins and sharks in
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the Great Barrier Reef but it didn't work out but
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nah then I signed for when Lifco was there for
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a couple of years and then it was like Ronnie
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MacDonald and Alan Maitland they'd all come for junior football
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and they took over Hamilton and then they took like
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sort of all the best junior players up to Hamilton
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so that was when I was like 22 so I
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was part time with Hamilton for two years then I
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went full time with St Mariam when I was like
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24 we we got promoted from the second division to
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the first division with Hamilton and then obviously played against
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St Mirren and did quite well and then Gus signed
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me so that was my first year full time was
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24 so it's a different route certainly I think there's
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a few boys that have done it now do you
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know what I mean I think Dougie Emery maybe did
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it sort of similar and then the boy Darian McKinnon
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as well he sort of came through amateur and what
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we saw it gives.
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You a wee bit more at the end of the
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career because most boys because it's you know the full
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time I think you look over the ones that played
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into like 40 hmm see like Craig Brewster and all that,
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Davey Weir, because they start, they have jobs, they start with,
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they're part-time footballers, and then.
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There's a real hunger for it, I think, it's either like,
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less wear and tear on the body, you're still like
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that now, like you're going to play, over 35s, and
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then five sides, and whatever, whereas like, we were training daily, 15, 16,
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and I lost the hunger for it, like late 20s,
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early 30s, and, I retired through an injury.
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I don't even.
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Know if it's because like, I'm guessing all football, but like,
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when you're a professional footballer, you do enjoy it less. Like,
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I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just like,
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you played football for the love of playing football when
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you're playing for like London Football and then when it
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becomes a job it becomes a job it's like a
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bit different so then.
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I think that's hard for me I understand that as
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well but you do it becomes like say it becomes
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a job.
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I do remember going like when I first went full
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time I was training with St Mirren we were like
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just in Paisley somewhere And I was like running about
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like laughing and somebody's like, what are you laughing for?
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I was like, I can't believe I'm getting paid to train.
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I was like in an office last week, like working
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at a computer and now I'm just like running about
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a pitch.
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It's like a bit serious.
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It does go in the management, although when we first
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took over, the two of us, I remember we played a,
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I assume we were going to play in the reserve
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game for Patrick Thistle, doing it in. To show, because
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other boys were moaning, it was like a Monday night
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doing it in in the reserve game. It was like
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it was a punishment. I said, it should be, it's
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not a punishment. I said, we're buzzing that we can
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play in a game. but as time goes on in my.
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Experience I try to do I played down at Dumbarton
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I think I was the only I was the senior
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guy I think I was number two at the time
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and it was all young boys and I'm thinking right
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going can I lead by example and track but there
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was nothing happening in the game and it was two
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old guys there just hammering me I'd done like years getting.
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Finished I'm trying to help these boys here these guys
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I was like maybe it's time to.
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Hang about you get like a high you're trying to
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do something you're trying to do something for them so
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you're saying you kind of kind of at 32 then.
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Yeah I played when I left St Mirren 28 I
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went and played in Thailand for three years right which
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was which was brilliant I was just like a total
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like different lifestyle The boys were technically brilliant, but because.
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Of the heat, there was not that physicality.
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It probably suited me getting to the late 20s, slowing
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in at left back and just playing tidy football. That
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was kind of my game. It suited me down to
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the ground. When I came back, we'd already set up
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Be Inspired and moved back in with Coco and I
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was signed for Brechin. I was going to go into
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the juniors and play. There was some mad money floating
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about then. Brechin had made me an offer. I was like, nah,
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may as well stay at the best level I can.
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Rangers were in the league at that point, in League One.
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So I'd done a year there and then six months
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at Montrose. But by that time, going from playing that
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kind of passing game in Thailand to then playing... part-time
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football was just like, and the first time I'd ever
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played part-time.
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Football, it was a total culture, but it was difficult,
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really difficult.
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I went part-time in my career as well, but my
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hip was, I'd had a bad hip injury when I
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was at Hamilton before I came to part of this,
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so that was my first year back after it, so
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I tore the cartilage in my hip, they did an
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operation to sort of prolong it, but by the end
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of my career, I was taking like 12 painkillers a
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day just to get through training.
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There must be so many boys when they get into
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their 30s that are just taking pills.
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That's the only big step, reason I could it was
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like 3 diclofenac and like 8 cocodron a day just
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to get through I'm kind of playing the 10 and
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6's this weekend my knees got I'm needing an ACL.
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Up later on after playing 5 asides and all that
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in amateur football when I finished playing that they actually
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realised you didn't even have an ACL, so you were
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playing your career without an ACL. So I tore my
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cartilage and I got a scan and they were like, listen,
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you've not even got an ACL, you're going to need
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to reconstruct that.
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I was like, nah, you're alright. I was 37, 38
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at the time.
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I can still play golf, I'm alright.
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I've always played with the club, that's fine.
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You see, when you come to the end of your
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football career then, because I was trying to think back
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towards the end of my career, it was like you
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were signing, it wasn't long-term contracts anymore, it was just
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year to year. And you were just kind of thinking, right,
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get to the next year. I didn't really have an
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outlook of what I was going to do next. But
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did you guys, when you went in to be inspired,
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was this a plan for a while or did you
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just come about it?
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Not really.
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I think obviously Stephen touched on it. Like, see, when
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we were at St Mirren, or he was at St
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Mirren and I was at Hamill, we used to meet
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up after training. We were all like, what are we
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going to do after our careers? So we'd be talking
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about it and stuff. But, The Be Inspired thing never
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really came about. It only really came about when Robo
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went to Thailand. So he was over there and I
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was like, surely there's something over there that's maybe a
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bit different that we could sell back here. And then
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for a couple of years, obviously, he was just patching
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me because he was enjoying himself in Thailand.
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You know what it's like with footwear, isn't it? Stay
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in touch with many boys.
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I know you're in a tight-knit dressing room for a year,
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but then you move on and you lose touch with boys.
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So when I was over there, we kept in touch
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all the time.
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He's like, you get me a move, you get me
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a move, I'm driving. Go over there, I can sell here.
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So then on my days off, I used to go
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up to the market stalls and just say, I was
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on my own, I was just like, looking about, and
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then I was like, listen, I've got t-shirts here, how
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about I just buy some on the market and send
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them back to you? I think you were at Ross
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County at the time, and I was sending them to you.
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You were sending me, and I sent them to the
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changing room, and put them on eBay, and we were
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doing really well for them. And then obviously the guy,
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the guy, and then the guy was.
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Have you.
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Already spoken about clothing before this, though?
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I was just looking at you. Clothes, probably more than me.
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You were into more brands.
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I was more into brands, and I liked, I always
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liked fashion, always was into that, so... When we were
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sending stuff back to you, it was like selling so fast.
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The guy that was buying the stuff off was an
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Italian guy who had his own wee market stall set up.
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He says, why did you not start your own brand?
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Was he not supplying like DC10? Yeah, he was.
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Supplying the merch stuff for all the clubs in Ibiza.
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So he was like, listen, I can do this and that.
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I'll do the labels, the packaging.
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Do you want it? I'll help out.
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He says, we can start really small. We'll start with
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like 100 pieces. And we're just trying. Within two weeks,
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we'd sold it.
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I think we called it Be Inspired because we had
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no design background or anything so we were trying to
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inspire people to sort of design for us so we
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came up with an idea of like if you design
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we'll run a competition every month and the winner will
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make 100 pieces they get 25 to sell to their
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friends and family and we'll keep 75 and sell on
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the website but we made like these four designs and
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they were awful we designed them on our phones it
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was all pixelated I've still got a couple in my
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house but my boy was like I can't print them
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so he helped us as well so we released four
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to start with and like we probably used boys like
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Scott Brown Charlie Mulgrew Stephen Nesmith James McCarthy it was
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a Hamilton he sent them stuff and they put it
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on their Facebook at the time and like in a
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week we'd sold.
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Out of a hundred it was like influencer marketing before
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it was a thing and we'd kind of like moved
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away for like help getting other people to help design
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we were just banging out average designs on our phone.
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It was the very early days of like Instagram and
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Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that.
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It probably helped you from your background in football with
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the network though because that was.
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Your platform to get through. Definitely.
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I remember even like people like we had a hoodie
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come in we gave it to Anthony Stokes and he
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put it on and we sold like 20 that night.
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I mean just the wee things like that definitely helped
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us in the beginning. Yeah.
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And where do you develop it from there when you
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come back home?
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Right.
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Came back, signed for briefing. The two of us were
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kind of managing like three or so. We'd be inspired
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like a Sunday night, Wednesday night, Friday night.
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And then we would work. We were working on recruitment.
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We'd walk in the town from the Got New Gorbals
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every day, working Monday to Friday. And then we were
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playing our part in football Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. So our
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full week was just consumed just like trying to earn
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as much money as I could. We never earned enough
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money in our careers that you can go, right, I'm
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just going to retire.
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I don't think there's a lot of people in Scotland. No,
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there's just not.
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I remember just speaking about being inspired all the way
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to work in the morning and then at lunchtime, I'd
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be at the post office just spending my whole lunch
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sending out stuff and then we'd be speaking about walking
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back and it was good.
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It was good. I'm a little bit used to it.
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Football network obviously grow the brand but there's still so
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much hard work that goes on behind it people didn't
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see it maybe you think you're lucky you maybe play
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football you can tap into who you know and stuff
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like that but without the like you say posting stuff
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like that and working every night of the week just
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to earn a living it's like people didn't see that
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but the first three I'd probably say the first eight
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years was just chaos it was just organised chaos just
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going from would have the stock room my bedroom was
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basically at Mark's flat was my was the stock room
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so basically I was double bedding and his wee dog
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Bailey would just run in amongst all the stock and
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I had it just like t-shirts and hoodies along the
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side of the bed we still got photos and stuff.
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Like that so the first few years was wild I
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think it went from like 130 grand to like 500
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grand to like was it like a million and then
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like three million seven eleven do you know what I
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mean it was just like I mean didn't he really
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know what what What was going on?
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We were just trying to steer the ship.
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At one point in 2018, the turnover in the business
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was £ 14.
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5 million. And then there was also.
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£ 3 million in ASOS and foot asylum orders.
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So don't get me wrong.
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For two boys that had come out of football, obviously
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we knew what we were doing, but business-wise, probably.
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There was so much turnover and buying stock.
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If somebody had come alongside us with a financial brain
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who knew the figures straight off the bat, it would
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have been a massive help for probably the next.
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Five to 10 years.
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Unfortunately, like we did have a, we brought in a
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finance director and he kind of got it to a place,
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but there was so many like variables in that, like
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Brexit and COVID that you have to navigate through. And
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then we pulled down the accounts, which looking back, we
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maybe shouldn't have.
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There's just so many variables. But then obviously Brexit and
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COVID happened. So you don't, you don't, it's hard. There's
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lots of it.
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Like see for the first sort of, Four or five years,
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it was just kind of smooth sailing. Then obviously all
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these things happened.
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We could have printed the brand on a cup and
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we'd have sold like $ 500.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just like, that's how crazy
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it was.
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It wasn't successful. So you opened a shop as well.
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Was that after COVID?
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That was further. Our first pop-up shop was just before COVID.
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Was that the one that was in? The one in
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Princess Square. Princess Square, yeah. It was just before COVID.
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We took a little bit of staff to shop, didn't we?
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And we took it for a three, four month period.
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And it had done really well, but then COVID hit.
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So then that kind of just, right, we just have
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to pull everything in and tighten up the budget and
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stuff like that. So we kind of go back into shops.
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It was such a weird time, wasn't it?
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We had, like, Skella and staff and, like, we had
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a big warehouse, which was probably too big, but it
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kind of helped because people could sort of, like, almost
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isolate work as well. So, like, the warehouse is that big,
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they don't have to go near each other, still pick
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and pack.
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But, yeah, it was just... Yeah, what comes with that?
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Did you tell yourself today what to do, like you
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know now?
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I think just maybe getting somebody.
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Financially, obviously we know a lot more about that now,
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but at that time, it was just we didn't really
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have any structure in the business.
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We were just buying stuff and selling it.
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We never had any business knowledge of what we were doing.
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We were just buying stuff and selling it.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was finding. You feed off
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the buzz, it's like scoring a goal.
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When you get a sale, it's like scoring a goal,
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but there's so many things to get that sale and
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that score, that goal. There's so much build-up play that
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you don't see along the way. It's like spending money
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on marketing.
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Like margins, marketing, overheads.
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I was at one of your events. That's right. You offered,
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was it 10k to the winners?
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Yeah, and we did 10k to charity as well.
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It was a 10k budget and then there was like
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a thousand pound each for the winners, each player. And
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then there was three grand.
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We thought we were shoo-ins.
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You just got to the final, didn't you?
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No, we never.
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Hi guys, as you probably well know by now, we
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have signed up for the London Marathon next April and
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we have some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us,
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we're doing it for a fantastic cause, or.
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Two causes, who are we doing it for?
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We're doing it for Headway UK and the Concilium Sports Foundation.
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Yep, so we're going to have some updated videos of
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our progress and our training and everything else that it
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takes to get us over the line He's emphasised that
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time doesn't matter.
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Doesn't matter.
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As long as we complete it.
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There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations.
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We're going to be raising as much money as we
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can over the next period of time. Our training starts
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very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here.
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Hopefully no injuries. Did you not ever?
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No. You got beat by the winners? We got beat
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off the Scotland.
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Aye.
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Aye, the Scotland. The football team, aye. They used to
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go to Dubai and play and stuff.
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So we played in the group. There was four in
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the group, if I remember rightly. And we beat them
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in the group. And then we played a younger team
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in the next round.
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Wow, that's brilliant.
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I think the Clans were fighting the referee at one point.
498
00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:26.259
That's actually brilliant.
499
00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.200
So we beat a young team in the next round.
500
00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:31.839
And then we were drawn against the football team in
501
00:19:31.859 --> 00:19:34.279
the quarters or the semis. We had normally you wouldn't
502
00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:37.980
meet them again until the final and the day was
503
00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.119
taking its toll with us obviously the age and stuff
504
00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:42.200
but I remember the rules as well you could pass
505
00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:43.849
the ball back so I think they got their noses
506
00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:46.470
in front and just kept rolling it back so they
507
00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:47.839
went on to win it didn't they yeah they did
508
00:19:47.859 --> 00:19:50.000
win it but it was a really that was they
509
00:19:50.019 --> 00:19:51.279
were good.
510
00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.940
As well that video was actually on YouTube from the
511
00:19:52.980 --> 00:19:55.650
full day and besides.
512
00:19:55.289 --> 00:19:59.369
Adrian Slaney they had just started did they have open
513
00:19:59.390 --> 00:20:00.269
goal at that point.
514
00:20:00.069 --> 00:20:03.009
They had just started and then that was on the
515
00:20:03.029 --> 00:20:05.609
video yeah because we had like an after party all
516
00:20:05.630 --> 00:20:06.869
the guys we came with that was.
517
00:20:06.789 --> 00:20:08.549
Brilliant you just had a decent side didn't you we
518
00:20:08.569 --> 00:20:10.890
had a good side and honestly I think I was
519
00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:12.289
speaking to you I says what if we win it
520
00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:14.089
because we're obviously ex-pros.
521
00:20:13.609 --> 00:20:15.049
He says if you win it you get the money
522
00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:16.670
obviously me Charlie Miller Andy.
523
00:20:16.589 --> 00:20:17.089
McLaren eh.
524
00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:24.950
Marvin Andrews he's a hard boy to get around at a.
525
00:20:24.890 --> 00:20:27.829
Five-a-side pitch Robbie Winters.
526
00:20:29.450 --> 00:20:32.220
There's a couple of other ones who's your goalie? I
527
00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.099
don't know I can't remember the goalie somebody pulled him
528
00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:35.319
in for somewhere did.
529
00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:35.740
He let you down?
530
00:20:36.220 --> 00:20:39.460
No I couldn't even blame him They were good, that team.
531
00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:39.880
They were.
532
00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:40.640
They were good.
533
00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:41.519
Did they not go to.
534
00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:43.579
Dubai and play and win the tournament there?
535
00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.230
I think they'd won a tournament in Dubai back. They
536
00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:47.849
all played together all the time, so they kind of,
537
00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:49.730
they knew their roles and what they were doing and
538
00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:50.589
how they played and stuff.
539
00:20:50.609 --> 00:20:51.750
We peaked beating them in the group.
540
00:20:51.970 --> 00:20:54.349
Ah, these were flying at that fight. That was a
541
00:20:54.349 --> 00:20:55.849
great day. That was good, to be fair.
542
00:20:55.869 --> 00:20:58.779
I think that was one thing that we learned that, as, say,
543
00:20:58.940 --> 00:21:02.279
from COVID onwards, we stopped doing these sort of events.
544
00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.940
These are like, they're like brand exercises, so everybody starts
545
00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:07.539
to want to be involved in that.
546
00:21:07.990 --> 00:21:10.380
Whereas we probably flipped and just set the product.
547
00:21:10.450 --> 00:21:13.160
See, because the growth was so much early on, there
548
00:21:13.180 --> 00:21:14.900
was probably excess money to do things like that.
549
00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:16.500
But then see when it sort of leveled off.
550
00:21:16.460 --> 00:21:17.920
And we were sort of doing like 10 mil a year,
551
00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:22.079
like regularly, then we were like pulling money out of
552
00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.839
things to put it, like our overheads were probably too
553
00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.869
high at that point. And it's something that you learn
554
00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.470
in business as we went on. But like, because the overhead,
555
00:21:28.490 --> 00:21:29.950
we were pulling out of bits that were actually making
556
00:21:29.970 --> 00:21:32.650
the brand better. So we weren't doing these like sponsorships
557
00:21:32.809 --> 00:21:34.650
or we weren't doing events or we weren't sponsoring, like
558
00:21:34.690 --> 00:21:36.130
we'd sponsored Ocean Beach.
559
00:21:35.869 --> 00:21:36.849
And, Things like that.
560
00:21:36.950 --> 00:21:39.410
Did you just go anywhere with likes at events?
561
00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:40.390
Did you just go abroad?
562
00:21:40.430 --> 00:21:42.450
Yeah, we were done. We would do photo shoots.
563
00:21:42.470 --> 00:21:44.730
We'd do photo shoots in Tokyo and New York and
564
00:21:44.750 --> 00:21:47.329
Chicago and they just made the brand look amazing.
565
00:21:47.470 --> 00:21:48.849
So even things like that, we pulled out of them
566
00:21:48.890 --> 00:21:52.009
a wee bit because we spent like 20 grand going
567
00:21:52.029 --> 00:21:53.779
to Japan or something to do a photo shoot. Do
568
00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:55.779
you know what I mean? But it actually made the
569
00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.599
brand look amazing. I think that's kind of the normal budget.
570
00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.180
But what we were doing is we were buying so
571
00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:03.160
much stock and putting it in a warehouse at Kenan
572
00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:07.470
Park that was about 35 grand a month rent. 65,000
573
00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:10.049
square feet it was like and you just it just
574
00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:13.240
wasn't sustainable because as soon as the market dropped then
575
00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:14.400
you're like I've got this big warehouse.
576
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:16.099
What am I going to do it was more like
577
00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:17.339
we kind of again I.
578
00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:20.130
Was learning but like we were kind of building our
579
00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:24.279
business around October November December so like if you had
580
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.160
that turnover all the time we had a good business
581
00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:28.609
but then we weren't thinking about January, February, March and
582
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:30.970
then you kind of have to build it around.
583
00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:34.210
That time and then you peak and it's on top almost.
584
00:22:34.049 --> 00:22:35.950
And we probably wouldn't be doing that in the early
585
00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:38.950
years of Beats without actually realising we were doing it
586
00:22:38.970 --> 00:22:42.089
so we had a small warehouse in Camus Lang and
587
00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:44.670
the guys Callum MacDonald do you know Callum? Callum played
588
00:22:44.690 --> 00:22:48.869
for Dundee with me we brought.
589
00:22:47.990 --> 00:22:52.039
A lot of part time footballers in didn't we Sean
590
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:59.000
Dixon Brian Wharton Brian was in Morgan Neil came over to.
591
00:22:58.779 --> 00:23:02.180
Work so it was a good we tried to create
592
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:06.059
that dressing room culture and be inspired in the first
593
00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:08.680
eight years it was probably like that so Callum would
594
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.480
come in in the morning and with a forklift, and
595
00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:12.640
there was actually no space in the warehouse, and we'd
596
00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:15.839
just be removing stock, putting it outside, covering it with
597
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:17.519
tarpaulin in the middle of winter, just so they could
598
00:23:17.539 --> 00:23:19.279
have a bit of space to work. And we would
599
00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.539
then come out of that Christmas with loads of excess cash,
600
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.480
because the overheads were low, and we were packing orders still,
601
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.539
and it definitely made the business feel like it was
602
00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.960
going somewhere at that point, and that's something we've probably
603
00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.309
learned going forward.
604
00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.569
I suppose a good thing now is you've learned from
605
00:23:35.970 --> 00:23:38.460
the new one, isn't that right? you're just a bit
606
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.690
more excited about what you can do.
607
00:23:40.589 --> 00:23:44.589
About it definitely definitely should be good everybody wants good
608
00:23:44.630 --> 00:23:45.519
golf gear as.
609
00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:48.140
Well well golf's so massive now isn't it I mean
610
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.680
I think obviously as you get to a certain age
611
00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.019
as well I think it's I talk about playing football,
612
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.069
but I play football on a Saturday or Friday night.
613
00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:57.750
I'm in bits until Tuesday. Do you know what I mean?
614
00:23:57.769 --> 00:24:00.269
Whereas you play golf, it's not as bad. It's easier
615
00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:02.569
on your body. So I think it kind of replaces
616
00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:04.299
that competitive edge for a lot of people that maybe
617
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.160
do play sport and.
618
00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:05.900
Get a bit older.
619
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.819
The new brand, is it purely golf?
620
00:24:08.420 --> 00:24:10.220
It's kind of golf lifestyle, I'd say.
621
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.190
So I'd They want it to be like something you
622
00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:14.369
can wear on the course, but also like if you
623
00:24:14.710 --> 00:24:16.630
turned up to like for a coffee or going out
624
00:24:16.690 --> 00:24:18.730
and about, you'd look smart and it's not going to
625
00:24:18.769 --> 00:24:19.069
have loads of.
626
00:24:19.069 --> 00:24:20.410
It's like on the course, off the course.
627
00:24:20.450 --> 00:24:20.759
Yeah, yeah.
628
00:24:20.779 --> 00:24:22.640
It's like a proper golf lifestyle brand.
629
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:25.700
There's a few brands that we like to wear across
630
00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.000
like golf that you can wear and maybe go and
631
00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:29.660
shop in or go for a coffee.
632
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.220
Yeah, so go and travel.
633
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:31.779
Paddle as well.
634
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:32.619
Are we getting to paddle?
635
00:24:32.829 --> 00:24:35.869
Yeah, yeah. I've been playing a wee bit back. I'm
636
00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:37.089
more into golf to be fair.
637
00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:39.569
So if we're going to kind of go down that
638
00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:41.730
route and... a lot of the content will be focused
639
00:24:41.809 --> 00:24:42.630
around that.
640
00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:44.829
So when's that sort of kicking off then?
641
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.359
We've obviously started the content and things like that. We've
642
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.339
got samples in place. We've placed our first order.
643
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.980
So we're just going to start small and just build
644
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:52.559
it up from there.
645
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:54.720
You've got Craig Watson modelling again.
646
00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:56.140
Yeah, yeah. How did you know Craig?
647
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:56.980
Did you play with Craig?
648
00:24:57.460 --> 00:25:00.970
I coached him with my kids. I knew him years ago.
649
00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:02.009
Oh, for their prime soccer?
650
00:25:02.849 --> 00:25:06.190
Before that as well. My first boys team coming through, Giffnock.
651
00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:07.430
He was involved with that.
652
00:25:07.470 --> 00:25:08.690
He's a great lad. He is a good lad. Yeah.
653
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.640
I think, I don't know if we just sort of
654
00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:13.700
seen him on socials and then reached out to him
655
00:25:13.829 --> 00:25:15.430
and when we were at Be Inspired we liked to
656
00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:17.809
use like football, like we kind of liked to keep
657
00:25:17.829 --> 00:25:19.349
it involved in football so all the names were like
658
00:25:19.470 --> 00:25:21.930
football players and then we were using the boy Tom
659
00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:24.869
Lang so he played for Rafe Lovers and he was
660
00:25:24.910 --> 00:25:26.410
at Rangers when he was younger so we used him
661
00:25:26.450 --> 00:25:28.049
as a model and then we brought Craig in as
662
00:25:28.089 --> 00:25:29.490
a model and we just like to sort of keep that,
663
00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:32.309
keep it sort of in Scotland as well and then
664
00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:34.799
he's become quite good pals now so I play golf
665
00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:37.519
with him as well actually, good lad and we're going
666
00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:39.559
to try and use him for Cairn as well.
667
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.480
Where did you come up with the name?
668
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.720
Well, we were just looking, first and foremost, I wanted
669
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:47.619
something that sort of had a nod to Scotland because
670
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.950
it's kind of where we're from without being like Scottish.
671
00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:52.210
Do you know what I mean? So it appeals to everyone.
672
00:25:52.710 --> 00:25:55.009
And then because of sort of what happened with the
673
00:25:55.029 --> 00:25:56.809
way sort of Be Inspired ended, it felt as though
674
00:25:56.829 --> 00:25:58.170
we were just in a bit.
675
00:25:58.150 --> 00:25:59.069
Of a pile of rubble.
676
00:25:59.589 --> 00:26:01.589
And then Cairn means like a pile of stones that
677
00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:03.970
sort of like leads the way. So I thought it
678
00:26:03.990 --> 00:26:05.950
was quite apt. And then we put the two I's
679
00:26:06.009 --> 00:26:08.930
in it just to sort of signify being rubble. sort
680
00:26:08.950 --> 00:26:10.150
of standing together.
681
00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:12.789
So when did you finish with the Be Inspired stuff then.
682
00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:17.240
Well it's like last November Be Inspired went into administration
683
00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:21.819
and then the new owners bought out of administration and
684
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.960
me and Stephen worked as consultants until.
685
00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:29.430
About two months ago yeah June July time so we
686
00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:32.069
worked and helped him get it sort of built up
687
00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:32.569
a wee bit.
688
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.140
I would say yeah I would say it was tough
689
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.319
on a daily basis it was probably tough like because
690
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:43.000
it's yours yeah so it's like something we'd built up
691
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.390
for years I actually quite enjoyed after being like less
692
00:26:46.410 --> 00:26:49.390
stressed aye I was so chaotic for so many years
693
00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:52.490
came straight out of football with no break I think
694
00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:54.369
it was it was the last Christmas was the first
695
00:26:54.410 --> 00:26:56.589
time I'd ever had a Christmas New Year off ever
696
00:26:57.049 --> 00:27:00.369
because even retail you've got to like Boxing Day just
697
00:27:00.410 --> 00:27:03.519
before Christmas and Boxing Day is just the busiest time i.
698
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.720
Think going through administration was horrible as well when i
699
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:10.059
was like horrible because you that's fear on the own
700
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.920
as well you don't really know what's going on obviously
701
00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:14.279
we got dragged into a few things or like personal
702
00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:16.680
stuff as well so it's like that was a horrible
703
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:19.880
period um and then to be fair the guy we
704
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.279
worked and he probably helped us get on an even
705
00:27:22.299 --> 00:27:25.410
keel uh sort of sort of settle ourselves down a
706
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.759
little bit but I think the.
707
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.680
Long term plan was never going to be us involved
708
00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:32.180
and I think he knew that as well.
709
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.369
Was your ambition to grow it and then sell it?
710
00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:39.309
Probably not and that's probably where we went wrong. That
711
00:27:39.329 --> 00:27:40.230
was our biggest downfall.
712
00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:42.769
We had people looking to invest and we had people
713
00:27:42.789 --> 00:27:45.730
looking to maybe take parts of it over the time but.
714
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:47.460
We were like, oh, we want to keep this going
715
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.079
for like 20 years and be a legacy.
716
00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:53.779
I think the fact that, obviously, it sounds indefinitely, you
717
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.579
exploded onto the scene with Be Inspired. Do you think
718
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.660
that's worked against you because it's harder to manage the
719
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.559
fact that you get so big so quickly?
720
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.089
Yeah, I think so. I think it probably.
721
00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:07.930
grew arms and legs before we even knew what would
722
00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:09.529
happen do you know what I mean and whereas if
723
00:28:09.589 --> 00:28:11.130
it had maybe been a bit more steady growth we
724
00:28:11.150 --> 00:28:12.920
would have learned more along the way because.
725
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.599
We were working in the business on a daily basis
726
00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.980
you didn't you actually didn't see the whole overall picture
727
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:17.460
so for.
728
00:28:17.420 --> 00:28:19.079
Like the first like four or five years we were
729
00:28:19.099 --> 00:28:20.859
probably working from like seven in the morning to like
730
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.059
eleven at night do you know what I mean just
731
00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:23.880
every day just writing about it do you know what
732
00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:25.700
I mean not really knowing what's going on around you
733
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.319
you were just whereas.
734
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.380
Like maybe we it did definitely lead on a bit
735
00:28:29.420 --> 00:28:31.809
like burnout yeah even like up to like two years
736
00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:32.609
ago the two.
737
00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:35.049
Of us were just and that's probably why we brought
738
00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:37.289
the people in to help us and it didn't really
739
00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:38.829
go the way we wanted it to do you mean
740
00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:41.609
just because we needed a we needed a step back
741
00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.450
of being like like we've been in this for a
742
00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.769
long time like i said my my marriage broke down
743
00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:48.869
probably because of a lot of things to do with
744
00:28:48.890 --> 00:28:51.130
being inspired do you mean and it just it probably
745
00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.809
consumed our lives for like 10 years so obviously we
746
00:28:54.849 --> 00:28:56.849
looked at maybe bringing somebody in and i think the.
747
00:28:56.890 --> 00:28:59.630
One lesson that would take into the next new brand
748
00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:02.700
is basically like you don't need to chase and push
749
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.750
for like a mad turnover of money because it's just vanity.
750
00:29:05.970 --> 00:29:06.430
Yeah, yeah.
751
00:29:06.450 --> 00:29:10.109
It's like, can you sustain a lifestyle that you want
752
00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:11.829
to be? And I think that's why we've chose golf
753
00:29:11.869 --> 00:29:13.890
because that's kind of been our get out for the
754
00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:15.170
last maybe 10 months.
755
00:29:15.190 --> 00:29:18.470
Is that actually right? Yeah, a million percent.
756
00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:21.180
And even like last year when things weren't going well,
757
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:24.279
like the people we'd hired to put in the business,
758
00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:26.779
they were quite like, no, you just go and, we've
759
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.539
got everyone taken care of, but it was a lot
760
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.160
different than that.
761
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:30.859
Yeah, yeah.
762
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.690
Just, so is it to put it online then with
763
00:29:33.710 --> 00:29:36.200
the new stuff or are we going into shops as well.
764
00:29:36.029 --> 00:29:38.390
We've got like a whole business plan yeah we've got
765
00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:41.319
an idea so like I think initially we'd start online
766
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.759
because that's what we know and what we feel is
767
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:45.579
we're quite good at and we can get it out
768
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.140
there but we'd like to try and get it in
769
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.380
sort of pro shops there's not many independent retailers around
770
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.579
the country like JD and Foot Asylum and then all
771
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.420
the independent ones sort of struggle on the high street
772
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.720
whereas like every golf course has got a pro shop
773
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.240
you know what I mean so If we can get
774
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.880
into a few pro shops around the country, that'd be successful.
775
00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:05.269
Every pro shop's got facilities right next to it, so
776
00:30:05.309 --> 00:30:07.170
if guys finish on the course and go to the
777
00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:08.509
pro shop, they can go, well, I haven't gone out
778
00:30:08.549 --> 00:30:11.109
this afternoon. You can pick up a pair of trousers
779
00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:13.089
and a quarter zip or a polo shirt or a t-shirt.
780
00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:15.450
It's also suitable to be playing golf as well, but
781
00:30:15.470 --> 00:30:16.670
you can also go out on it as well.
782
00:30:16.710 --> 00:30:18.319
So that's kind of like a bit of a hybrid
783
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.339
approach if we can do that. That's our plan, so
784
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:21.779
we'll just see how it goes. Something a bit different
785
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.500
as well. I don't see many of this. So where
786
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.640
is all this stuff? Where do you.
787
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:27.119
Source it from?
788
00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:30.269
Sourced it from China just now still yeah China I
789
00:30:30.289 --> 00:30:30.650
was going to.
790
00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:32.829
Head over that big guy in the stall no I
791
00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:34.609
don't do you know what I still keep in touch
792
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:35.950
with him I still keep in touch.
793
00:30:35.869 --> 00:30:38.450
With him good guy he actually does a lot of
794
00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.450
work for Puma and champion them so he's growing it's
795
00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:43.670
been good to see him grow over the years so
796
00:30:43.849 --> 00:30:45.789
he was just a wee stall just a wee tiny
797
00:30:45.930 --> 00:30:50.049
stall in a big multi-storey building wild how people's lives
798
00:30:50.109 --> 00:30:52.130
progress with business so aye.
799
00:30:53.930 --> 00:30:56.089
You were doing what was the thing I've seen online
800
00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:58.490
you were doing some sort of competition for part of
801
00:30:58.509 --> 00:30:59.170
your launch so.
802
00:30:59.089 --> 00:31:02.509
Yes tomorrow actually so we've run a at Hags the
803
00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:05.769
castle the course I'm a member of they've agreed to
804
00:31:05.789 --> 00:31:08.789
sort of open sorry host an open sort of care
805
00:31:08.809 --> 00:31:12.079
and invitational day so we ran a competition to get
806
00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:14.200
people involved kind of wanted to create a community with
807
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.980
it as well so it's not just like products selling
808
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.259
clothes we wanted to create like a sort of golf
809
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.680
sort of community for people yeah so it was like
810
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:24.740
four winners and then they picked like a four ball
811
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.660
sort of to the other people so we announced that
812
00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.309
on Sunday and everyone's sort of sorted now it's been
813
00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:33.569
a bit of back and forth people pulling out and
814
00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:35.630
not as easy as we would like to have got
815
00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:38.750
16 players but everyone's sorted now so the day's all
816
00:31:38.829 --> 00:31:40.230
organised looking forward to it got.
817
00:31:40.190 --> 00:31:42.650
A wee trophy in that got a trophy Andy Barman
818
00:31:42.859 --> 00:31:44.640
he donated a trophy.
819
00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:46.880
So he does like is it Soccer Shop Direct so
820
00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:49.160
he does like kids like strips and stuff like that
821
00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:51.569
So he's donated a trophy for us, helped us.
822
00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:54.470
We've got quite a few sponsors, actually. Like Aleph Goff,
823
00:31:54.490 --> 00:31:58.750
we've donated a floorball. Another business donated a gift voucher
824
00:31:58.769 --> 00:31:59.490
for Trendy Golf.
825
00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:03.450
Trendy Golf, aye. It's been quite good. It's been really amazing.
826
00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:06.130
I think we had so many people sign up for
827
00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:06.529
it as well.
828
00:32:07.029 --> 00:32:11.329
I think you'll get a spin-off, obviously, from being inspired
829
00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:13.630
as well. Because I was listening to your stuff, you're
830
00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:17.140
talking about age as well. We're all getting older, and
831
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.420
your fashion maybe... kind of coincides with getting older go.
832
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.460
For comfort more than well you'll get people.
833
00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:26.220
That were buying that be inspired that are obviously maybe
834
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.960
looking at something a wee bit different as well so
835
00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:29.529
you'll get a fall off it's.
836
00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:30.809
Kind of like what you're wearing it feels like see
837
00:32:30.829 --> 00:32:32.609
when you're a bit younger you kind of probably all
838
00:32:32.650 --> 00:32:35.049
of us like it's like very branded and then as
839
00:32:35.069 --> 00:32:36.529
you get older it kind of becomes a bit more
840
00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:38.250
plainer so it's kind of it's going to be have
841
00:32:38.269 --> 00:32:39.839
branding on it but it's going to be a cleaner
842
00:32:39.859 --> 00:32:41.819
sort of look so it sort of maybe stands the
843
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.559
test of time so it's probably targeting more like 30
844
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.789
to 50 year olds that really like an active lifestyle
845
00:32:47.809 --> 00:32:49.390
it's a kind of mindset sort of thing isn't it
846
00:32:49.450 --> 00:32:51.930
age age doesn't really matter too much i think it's
847
00:32:51.950 --> 00:32:53.849
like that sort of active like you're still both very
848
00:32:53.869 --> 00:32:55.490
active do you know what i mean my young lad's
849
00:32:55.490 --> 00:32:57.059
19 and he tried on the samples and he came
850
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:57.940
through and he went.
851
00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:11.970
Dad, I just feel like you in this. And he says,
852
00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:13.779
but I'll tell you what, I actually really like it.
853
00:33:13.809 --> 00:33:16.710
And that's coming from a 19-year-old who's like, I'll wear that.
854
00:33:17.089 --> 00:33:21.559
But even if our content and our audience is 30-plus,
855
00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:23.960
then it's good to have that younger audience actually saying.
856
00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:26.819
Well, I'll wear that as well. But we're not really
857
00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:29.339
pushing that golf thing. Brilliant.
858
00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:34.450
Well, guys, it's been really interesting. I think we'll finish
859
00:33:34.490 --> 00:33:37.990
with some recommendations. What we'd like to do is get
860
00:33:38.009 --> 00:33:40.569
you to recommend a film. I don't know if you've
861
00:33:40.589 --> 00:33:43.430
done any films. A song and an album for the
862
00:33:43.450 --> 00:33:43.990
next guest.
863
00:33:44.009 --> 00:33:45.069
Who does he watch films?
864
00:33:46.710 --> 00:33:48.990
We had Michael Stewart on who recommended a book. So
865
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.019
we're going to start from scratch today. So can you
866
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.259
give us a recommendation for a film for our next guest?
867
00:33:56.059 --> 00:33:58.140
A song and an album. You can split it between
868
00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:58.859
the two of you.
869
00:33:58.940 --> 00:33:59.859
A song and an album.
870
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:00.660
Well.
871
00:34:01.769 --> 00:34:04.049
Film. My favourite film is The Usual Suspects.
872
00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:04.829
Good film.
873
00:34:04.890 --> 00:34:07.210
I think, obviously, once you've seen it once, you've... Oh, right.
874
00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:08.550
But I think that's a great film.
875
00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:09.730
That is a great film.
876
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:12.150
Loved that film. I fucking shit this stuff.
877
00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:13.030
Songs.
878
00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:14.289
He can help you out. Songs.
879
00:34:14.329 --> 00:34:18.409
I was in Ibiza recently. So I just like... I
880
00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:21.300
like dance tunes, so I still like house music and that.
881
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.139
So I went to... It was a DJ I'd not
882
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.079
seen before, Mal P. I went to see him at Pasha.
883
00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:30.170
He was class. Anything by him, really, then I'll... Come on,
884
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:31.099
wee man, you've got.
885
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.000
To give us something.
886
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:36.219
There's a band, I'm not sure, I think the album's
887
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.650
called 3AM. It's Matchbox 20 from back in the day.
888
00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:41.210
I still listen to them in the car now and again.
889
00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:46.849
Very good. There's your three recommendations. Thanks again for coming in, guys.
890
00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.050
Wishes all the best with the new brand. And we
891
00:34:50.070 --> 00:34:52.250
might even get ourselves a wee... Ah, you'll get yourself
892
00:34:52.369 --> 00:34:53.300
a few days.
893
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:53.889
Top men, thanks again.
894
00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:54.139
Cheers.
895
00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:54.550
Cheers.