Interview with Jason Nelson: Finding Your Fit - Body Image, Biological Age, and GLP-1

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We spend much of our lives running from what we fear.
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Smaller, weaker, underestimated.
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But true strength isn't built to prove anything to the world.
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It's forged to ground who you are.
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Today on Due to Expire, we step past surface aesthetics and quick fixes with Jason Nelson, founder of Body Image and the Human Optimization Project.
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We're exploring how physical transformation becomes the entry point to biological youth, lasting autonomy, and a life filled with true presence.
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I'm your host, Corey Kennard.
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Now, let's grow.energy.
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That's no negative, all one phrase, dot energy.
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All right, listeners, uh, here at the Do to Expire podcast, I have a treat for you today.
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A special guest on board.
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His name is Jason Nelson.
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Now I know that you may be familiar with some other people with that name, but this is a unique Jason Nelson, the founder of Body Image and the Human Optimization Project, which we're going to hear more about in a moment.
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But I want you to know that my previous conversations uh with Jason have been just awesome.
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And I'm excited that you get a chance to hear from him today.
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So I want all of us to give a welcome to my dear friend, a person who I now call a friend, Jason Nelson.
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Jason, welcome to the Do to Expire podcast.
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Oh, thank you, Corey, for having me, man.
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I'm pumped for this conversation today.
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We've been chomping it up a little bit before.
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I'm ready.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Let's do it, man.
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Let's do it.
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So let's let's start off here because I want people to know more about you as the person.
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And we can, you know, grow this into what you're doing now.
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Uh, but what's unique about you is is that, and it may not be unique, you know, in totality, but um, you grew up in Trinidad.
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Okay.
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So, and then and you were the youngest of eight.
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Now, there are a lot of people who know what that feels like.
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Uh, you know, I'm I'm the oldest of two, so that's a little bit different than being the youngest of eight.
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And and and you describe yourself as feeling smaller and feeling weaker and underestimated in life.
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You know, and in moments like that, you know, the mind can really work on you, right?
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When you're thinking of yourself in that manner.
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Um, and and it can either go the direction of self-doubt or you can seek an anchor and use that as uh a piece that uh catapults you into uh a successful life.
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And so looking back, what was the internal dialogue that you had with yourself uh that kept your your spirit steady before you even touched the barbell?
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Oh man.
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That just raised every single pause on my body, man.
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Like that that that that dialogue was the feeling of needing to be seen.
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And needed to be seen as strong because inside internally I felt this fire, but it didn't manifest into the it didn't manifest externally.
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Okay.
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Like being smaller, being weaker, being the last of eight.
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Yes, my family, there were five girls and were three boys, but being the baby in the family didn't add to that, to that um self-confidence as well.
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Yes, I was taken care of.
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Yes, I was looked after, but there was no, I didn't think I felt empowered.
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Okay, and it's no fault to my family, right?
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It's just the way I interpreted that feeling.
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And um it it it it showed up it showed up more so in my personal life.
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I I don't know what personal life I had when I was 13.
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You're taking me back a very long time.
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Right.
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Well, you're not that old, but um just but I could say though, I I I it showed up when I was playing sports.
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Like I was a good soccer player.
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Wow.
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But when it came to performing in front of people, it was always this being timid and being shy.
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And I think that that feeling small when people started looking at you, that that came out in my game.
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It took me years and missed opportunities to finally play like how I wanted to play when there was nothing to lose, nothing to gain.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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And I hope that first lesson, anybody listening to this, I hope that's not you.
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I hope I don't want I don't want that for you.
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Yeah, like how you perceive yourself is very important, but a lot of us go through life valuing the opinions of others, and it doesn't really matter.
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So, yes, you might have some self-doubt and some poor self-perception, but don't let that be the determinant factor in how you perform or do anything that you want to do.
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So, what flipped that switch for you then when you saw yourself in front of people being that good soccer player?
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And and and you you were out there on the field, you felt small, and then later on you said that you know you you felt differently about yourself and your game, and that confidence came along.
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Where did that confidence come from?
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That came from getting bigger and stronger.
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Hmm.
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Okay.
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It came from understanding that the fight that was within, like this small dog, this this big dog inside of the small frame, actually, you know, people can actually seem like, okay, he's he is something.
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Don't mess with him.
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Yeah, don't mess with him, he's something.
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And after I would say I missed a couple big opportunities to play at a higher level, and I realized, well, there's nothing to lose.
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Why not?
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If I had someone like myself or someone like you to guide me and coach me through those earlier years, it would have been a totally different outcome.
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And I, oh, this is this is getting me emotional now, man.
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Um that's good.
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Uh I I want you to feel this moment.
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Uh I when I coach younger athletes, I try to be that person.
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Not only while we're doing the gym, but a lot of the dumb time between the exercises or the thing that we're doing is spent on upgrading their mindset, building them up.
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Because I I didn't have anybody building me up.
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You see, being the last of eight, the my next sibling, there was a seven-year gap.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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So there wasn't anybody who was next to me.
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That makes sense.
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Right.
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In a family that large, when you're seven years behind, everybody's moving on to doing their own thing.
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And the first boy, the first kid was he was a boy.
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He was already out of the house.
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Yeah, he was gone.
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Yeah, at that point.
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Right?
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And then my middle brother, my other brother, he's the one that got me into sports and coached me up and you know, when I was little.
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But by the time he started going back to school and girls came into the picture, I was left all by myself.
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Right.
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Right.
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So there was nobody to actually get into my head and and really ground me and say, listen, man, like and build me up.
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Okay.
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To be, you know, I'm kind of lost for words right now because um, you know, when you get emotional, the rational side of you goes down.
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I totally get it.
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I totally understand.
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And um, you know, but I appreciate that side of you too as well, because it lets people know, first of all, that we as men, it's okay for us to be emotional, especially when you think about where you came from.
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But I love the fact that you begin to talk to the audience about, you know, I hope that's not you out there feeling small because you have no reason to feel small, even if you look small to other people.
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Uh it's about the giant within, right?
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I I you know, I think that um, you know, Tony Robbins talked about that some years ago.
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I think it's one of his first books, you know, talking about the giant within.
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Uh, and and everybody has that giant within them.
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It's just that they need that coach to pull it out.
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They need that person in their lives to understand that, hey, you got something in you, and I'm going to push you.
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At some point, uh, did you feel like you couldn't achieve what you were on the road to achieving?
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And when you begin to become more confident, was there something, was there a roadblock, I want to put it like that, that got in your way that slowed you down?
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What was that roadblock if there was one?
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Man, there were several roadblocks.
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Um there were several.
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I could tell you in particular.
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Well, you know, more recent coming to the states.
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And, you know, this is the talking real talk here, right?
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Right being a black man entering corporate, being from the Caribbean, having a different accent.
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Yes.
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I remember this one time was one time I was in the I was in the gym, and my manager brought brought me this client.
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She was very fit.
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In fact, she was a competitive skier, almost representing her country at a national level.
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Okay.
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And I was the only train on staff he trusted to work with an athlete of that caliber.
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And he said, Hey, I have the perfect guy for you.
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She sat down with me at 2 p.m.
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in the day.
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I'll never forget this.
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And um she we did the the thing, the orientation, filled out the paperwork.
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And then she said to me, She's like, Well, I can't come in at 2 p.m.
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I said, Well, we're here at 2 p.m.
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What times do you want?
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Well, I want to come in at 6 p.m.
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at night.
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If you know anything about fitness and going into the gym, 6 p.m.
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at night is a zoo.
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Like everybody's getting off work and everybody okay.
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The worst trainers are busy at 6 p.m.
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at night.
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It's just that time slot.
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Like it's it's prime time.
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I said, No, I I can't do it.
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And she's like, Well, I guess we can't work together.
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Next day at 2 p.m., she was working with another trainer.
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Oh wow.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Right?
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And while she was working with that trainer, I picked up a group of girls.
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Okay.
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And my girls were flying.
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They were kicking, kicking ass, man.
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Like three of them, they were working hard, and she sat on the machine doing her leg extensions.
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Her trainer is walking around with a clipboard.
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I never so often she's peeping across.
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Right.
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Now, this is a high caliber athlete.
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High caliber athlete, exactly.
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I know she's she's relegated to doing knee extensions while somebody walks around with a clipboard.
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And I know him personally, he's a friend of mine.
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Okay.
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He's just trying to figure out what he could do to run the clock down.
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Gotcha.
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And she's speeping over ever so often in my mind.
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I'm like, huh.
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And at that point in time, and going forward up to this day, I said, I am gonna make myself so good.
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Wow.
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That the only reason you could say no to me is because you don't like how I look, how I speak.
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It can't be for my for the for for the lack of knowledge.
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Right.
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Can't be.
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Because my self-esteem is based on learning.
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Yes.
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And guess what?
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Guess guess the one cool thing about learning is that you could never learn this always room to learn more.
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Right, always.
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Always room to learn more.
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So if you base your self-esteem on something that's exponential, somebody can't just come and take it away from you.
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So I have to ask this question.
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Uh-huh.
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Did she show any regret for not choosing you as her trainer?
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I didn't even pay attention.
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Ah, you moved on.
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Okay.
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Yeah, because the minute I saw her peeping and I saw what she was doing, I was like, cool.
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There you go.
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That's what you get.
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All right.
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There you go.
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That's what you get.
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Well, I tell you what.
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Um what fascinated me as I was reading through some of your material was what was called a chance encounter with an unlikely mentor.
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Yeah.
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Ah, see, yeah.
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And and and and for those of you who who can't see Jason, his face just lit up when I when I said that.
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Uh and um this person changed the entire trajectory of your life.
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And so when you look at at the people you coach today at Body Image, how do you cultivate that same quiet transformational space for them that your mentor held for you?
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I think I think for thinking up thinking back to how he transformed, how he lit that fire.
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It was something that had a past void.
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I had something that was missing.
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Okay.
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And when I say a chance, it was just a chance encounter.
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It just happened.
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That piece of the puzzle just happened to fit right there.
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And that past perceived void created this want.
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And it was just at that one point in time it happened.
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So for me, when I'm looking at my clients, we get that information.
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And people are like onions, right?
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Yes.
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You have to go through layers and layers and layers.
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They come in, it's like, hey, I want to lose weight.
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Like, why do you want to lose the weight?
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Well, this, and then why?
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And I I figured out after the fifth why, if somebody's being honest with you, yes.
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You really get to the juice.
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And when you get that juice, you understand that person, you make this connection.
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All the cues, all the things you say to motivate them must revolve around that core thing that I told you.
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And it must be positive.
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You mustn't use that as ammunition, right?
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Because then that's being vindictive and mean.
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Right.
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But that one thing that they secretly desire, that they held close to their hearts prior to telling you, now you have that information.
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You have to find different ways to say things, to connect the person with that goal.
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And sometimes you might get it right the first time.
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Sometimes you might have to have five or six or ten, fifteen iterations.
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But people will always say, I heard your voice, when they encounter an obstacle that that align that that reminds them of that thing that they want.
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Yes.
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And that's when you know you actually hit a button.
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So how do I do it?
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I just connect with people on a deeper level.
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I love it.
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And you use that information to inspire them.
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So your mentor.
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How did you know that this was the person that would change your life?
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Didn't I had no idea.
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No idea.
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Had no idea.
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So let me let me take you through and take the audience through a little short story about that.
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Yes, please, please.
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So my dad was a power lifter, a bodybuilder.
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When I was born, I saw him far off of his speak.
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Because remember, from a family of eight, I'm the last one.
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Seven years removed from the second to last sibling.
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Right.
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He has eight kids, a wife, and himself to take care of.
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Yes.
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There's no time for the gym.
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He had to work.
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So by the time I came to knowing my dad, he wasn't this Herculean guy anymore.
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Okay.
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He just got back down to being, you know, regular size.
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Regular size.
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He had nice calves, nice legs, and everybody I met was like, hey, your dad, his nickname was Samson.
00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:28.799
Oh.
00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.240
In fact, there were rumors that he could have represented the country.
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:35.440
Wow.
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And powerlifting.
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Yeah.
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And he was too shy.
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He didn't, he didn't want to do that.
00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:41.200
Oh, wow.
00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:46.640
So you would think that I would learn some stuff from him, but I didn't.
00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.680
He was a sales trainer.
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And they would have uh he would regularly host his agency at the house, bringing a couple agents in who was, you know, stop producers, he would enrich them.
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You know what he thing works.
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Right.
00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.519
And there was an old barbel set in the living room.
00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.960
And I'm like, why is this thing hanging out here?
00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.240
And these boys were arm wrestling in school.
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Okay.
00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:20.640
And when I tried to arm wrestle, they would literally smash my hands every single time.
00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.880
They didn't even want to arm wrestle me because they didn't want to waste their energy.
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:39.599
And being a skinnier kid going to uh a very respected um high school, these boys were smart, but they were bullies.
00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:50.000
And uh I was walking into I walked into the living room one day, one of those meetings, and one of my dad's agents, Peter, tall black guy.
00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:50.559
Okay.
00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.359
He was always, he's really nice.
00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:54.640
He was always nice to me.
00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:57.279
Saw me looking at the barbel on the floor.
00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:59.599
And he leaves the meeting and he comes across.
00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.079
No, mind you, my dad was a bodybuilder.
00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:02.880
Right.
00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:11.279
This guy, Peter, comes across and he looks at me and he picks up the barbel and he signals an arm curl.
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:11.759
Okay.
00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.240
He said, you know, if you do this, your arms will get stronger.
00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:17.839
I was like, huh.
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.039
That might be useful for arm wrestling in school.
00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:21.440
Right.
00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.160
With no rhyme or reason, I did a thing.
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:26.640
A couple months later, I went back in school.
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.839
Guys who were crushing my hands, I was looking at them in the eye like this.
00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:32.480
Yes.
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:35.920
And it's like, dude, like last week I was splitting you down.
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:36.720
Like, what was that?
00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:37.119
What are you?
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.000
What are you doing?
00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:38.480
What are you taking?
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What are you doing?
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Right.
00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.039
And and and and that that lit a fire that lasted a lifetime.
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:58.240
But that one chance, that one moment, like you never know who you are going to encounter that could change your trajectory of your life, could could could blow your life up exponentially.
00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.279
Unlikely.
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.599
Likely in capital letters.
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:02.160
Yes.
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Bold letters.
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.839
Like this wasn't planned.
00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.319
This guy didn't look like he lifted a weight.
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:09.680
He's just a he's just a big dude.
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.440
Didn't look like he lifted a weight.
00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:12.319
Right.
00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.440
But he just saw me, he came over, and that was it.
00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.160
He just said this is how you do a curl, an arm curl.
00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:19.119
So you do a curl.
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:20.160
That was it.
00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.000
Did you ever work out with him anymore after that?
00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:27.359
No, I no.
00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.200
No, he I saw him regularly.
00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:31.599
Okay.
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.240
But we were always in the office second when I go to visit my dad.
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.960
They were always in like suits, and you'd be like, Hi, how are you doing?
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:37.599
Blah, blah, blah.
00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:37.839
Okay.
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.680
But it wasn't like he was a fitness coach or anything.
00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:46.960
It just happened to be really chance, a chance encounter.
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:53.119
And you know, I, you know, and and I'm going to say that I'm not really a big believer in chance.
00:22:53.359 --> 00:23:00.000
You know, that sounds like to me that that was just orchestrated by the universe to just happen the way that it did.
00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:16.319
And you were, you were open to it at that time, and he was open to it because there was something that moved him to even come over and just say those words to you, not try to, you know, make you do a workout routine.
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.519
You know, he just he just said, This is an arm curl.
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:21.440
You know, if you do this, you can get stronger.
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:23.359
It's like, okay, that's it.
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.960
And I think that that's something that our audience needs to understand too.
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:35.519
Oftentimes we look for a mentor and we look at them as a person who can be with me along the journey of my life, right?
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:43.359
Or for a season, a I, you know, I need to sit at the feet of this person for the next three years and then I'll be good.
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.279
And that's why I call a mentor.
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:57.440
But you just described a mentor that can come into your life for a few moments and then mentally stick with you for the rest of your life.
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:01.119
And that is so profound to hear.
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:05.359
And and really, realistically, I never thought about that until this moment.
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:13.920
Yeah, like, you know, I had this thing, I would say it takes like one second, one minute, one hour, one conversation, one encounter.
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:20.400
And that could just set you on the path um that you would be on for a lifetime.
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:27.200
It's and and what's even crazy about the story is what was a barbell set doing in the living room?
00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:31.920
So now you got me thinking that this wasn't a chance.
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.839
I gotta rewrite that script, right?
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:35.440
This wasn't a chance in counter.
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:36.960
This was this this was destiny.
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.559
That was destiny, right?
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:42.799
What was a barbell doing in if my mom saw it, she'd have should have gone crazy.
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.720
She was like, get this out of here.
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.359
Right?
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:47.680
What was that doing in the living room?
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:52.640
I think my brother got it from somewhere else and put it in there, like in transition.
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.519
And it it just happened to align.
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.119
Oh, wow.
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:01.359
And um Yeah, that that that's profound, uh, I have to say.
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:12.319
So so I think that both of us have just been wowed by this story that you've probably told over and over, but we discovered something new, you know, in this process.
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:13.599
Wow, profound.
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.640
Okay, so so so let's let's let's shift.
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:24.880
Let's go back to um this this this athlete that this female athlete that you were preparing to train.
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:40.480
Uh and I I think that that story is profound because you put yourself in a position where you're training women to become better.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.599
Better athletes, better people, better individuals.
00:25:45.839 --> 00:26:07.599
And it appears that, you know, there's something about you know the female athlete or the one that that works out um when it comes to their well-being and their care, right, and and and what they want to accomplish and their their intention and and as as is stated, your their discipline.
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:30.720
So, so you put yourself in a position where you've listened to women and they've taught you about patience, empathy, and holistic health that the traditional industry overlooks.
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.559
Why is that significant to you?
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.160
Well, having five sisters.
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:48.960
I knew that was gonna come up at some point, but and uh about you know, fifteen or twenty nieces, you know.
00:26:51.119 --> 00:27:06.400
I think when we created body image, and my business partner was a guy who left, and I recruited one of my co-workers to fill this spot.
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.160
I said, Hey, this is a sinking ship.
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.799
Okay, I don't have money to pay you.
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:18.880
I could give you a stipend, do your little thing on the side, but I need your help.
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.799
Yes, she's later now my girlfriend.
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.440
Oh I said, I need your help.
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:37.279
When she came into the business, literally the next month we were up about 50 or 60 percent in revenue.
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:38.160
Wow.
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:52.319
And as the business grew and we progressed and we attract we attracted more women, it was a safer space for women to share the experiences and different things.
00:27:52.480 --> 00:28:00.640
One of the one of the things that they share a lot or they say a lot is the fact that they feel dismissed when they go to the doctors.
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:07.039
Doc, well, I'm having brain fog or I'm gaining weight, or I feel like this.
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:13.680
And doctor's like, well, just you know, exercise more and eat a little less and go for a walk or something like that.
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.039
But that's not it.
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.799
I I feel I feel this way.
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:40.559
Um when we when the business evolved, as I said before, we created a space for women to express that, and that's how I start to deepen it, I deepen my understanding and my knowledge as like, hey, this is one of the major problems or concerns with almost all the women that work through the door.
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:49.200
If I am to serve my people, how do we break this bond and and and and hear them out?
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.039
How do we um help them solve their problems?
00:28:53.359 --> 00:29:01.200
So when we started training, we started learning different skills, stress-reduced fat loss, metabolic balance.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.759
So now I could understand, and we again we could connect.
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.720
Okay, and I could help you on a deeper level.
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:23.759
So, and the the cool thing is that some of them come to us before going to their doctors, and I'm like, hey, hey, hey, all right, we're not doctors, but it shows that the level of trust and communication and connection is so great.
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.480
And and you're getting into the science of things.
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:27.279
Yeah.
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.119
They would want to they would want to consult with us first.
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:38.480
Or arm themselves with information to ask better questions when they go to their primary care physicians.
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:38.880
Okay.
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.160
And that enhances the care that they receive on that into.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.160
Wow.
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:50.799
So so you can consider yourself to be a consultant prior to a doctor visit, right?
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.480
Um to be honest.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:30:02.559
Uh and you know, by virtue of what you just said, you're putting your clients in a better position to be heard.
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.920
And I believe in life, there there are three things.
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:14.480
People they want to be heard, they want to be understood, and they want to understand.
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:15.279
Yeah.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:32.799
And it's those three things that I hear you saying as it relates to women in the fitness arena, so to speak, and becoming better because women can be ignored in a lot of places in life, right?
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:45.839
Uh, not only in the at the doctor's office or in the hospital or wherever, but you know, I hear women saying, you know, I don't like going to get my oil changed, you know, because I feel like, you know, I'm gonna get taken advantage of.
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.240
They're gonna try to sell me this or do that, thinking that I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:57.599
So with you arming women, that helps them to feel more confident going into I think all arenas of life.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.279
Yeah, remember to I I was a man.
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.160
I was I'm a man and I I wasn't seen before.
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.279
Right, exactly.
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:06.400
So you can identify.
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.160
I can identify with that, right?
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:14.880
And two, it's like for women to be seen, they need to be, they need to become something that they're not.
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:22.319
So like a very timid, feminine woman might have to move to like a type A personality, right?
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.680
And she might have to put on this tough front and be more aggressive to be seen.
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.000
And that's just not who she is.
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:30.880
Right.
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:37.279
So if they feel like this all the time, it starts changing the way they operate.
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.480
And that's that's that's that's not good.
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.920
It's not fair to them.
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.039
So so what is your take?
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:55.920
Because I'm I'm gonna go here now, because I I know a lot of women have engaged in GLP one, right?
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:04.880
What is your take on the involvement of that in the health industry?
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.319
Like, how does a person balance, okay?
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.559
I want to lose weight, and I think this is one of your specialties.
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.720
I want to lose weight, but I don't want to lose muscle.
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.960
I don't want to lose muscle mass.
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.480
Yeah, I don't want to just drop the pounds and become weaker.
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:26.079
Right?
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.480
So what is your take?
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:42.000
One on women women taking that particular medication, and two, how do you help them when they find themselves in a place where they feel weaker because of it?
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:49.200
Well, the first woman you described is more of the educated consumer.
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.640
A lot of women don't think like that.
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:53.200
Okay.
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:59.519
So that's the ones that do a lot of research are not wanting to lose muscle mass.
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.160
We still have a lot of women just wanting to weigh lighter.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:04.559
Okay.
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.039
And that because the scale is going down, it means that your health is going up.
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:10.559
Right?
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:22.559
So for the woman who is who has armed herself with information and doesn't want to lose muscle mass, here's what we can here's here's what we need to understand.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:30.319
One, you save muscle mass by doing two things mechanical tension, exercise.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:36.319
And two, uh by keeping an adequate protein intake.
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:37.519
Okay.
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.279
Because that's how that's how that's how the body responds to save muscle.
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.839
When you're in a calorie deficit, the body wants to remove tissue.
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:55.200
What you do, how you eat, tells the body to prioritize which tissue is going to remove and which tissue is going to save.
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.960
I'm just I'm just really simplifying it here.
00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.440
Okay.
00:33:59.599 --> 00:33:59.759
Right?
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:11.920
So if you're doing heavy mechanical loading, and note the word heavy, we're working in the 75 to 85 percent rep rep range, intensity range.
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:13.440
What does that look like?
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.000
Okay.
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.159
Eight to 12 reps.
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:24.480
Anything beyond that is not enough to create the mechanical tension that you would need to signal your body to hold on to the muscle mass.
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:24.800
Okay.
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:26.800
It needs to be heavy and hard.
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:27.519
Right?
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.000
Okay.
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:36.960
Number two, again, sufficient protein intake, ensuring that you're in a positive nitrogen balance, creating an anabolic environment.
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.199
Now you're not gonna build muscle on a GLP one.
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.719
The goal is to preserve the muscle that you already have.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:45.119
Okay.
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:51.039
You are, or you are across the board, going to lose muscle.
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.760
But when you're on a regular diet, calorie restriction, you do lose muscle too as well.
00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:58.320
Okay.
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:08.079
But the rate at which the weight comes off and the muscle mass that muscle loss that comes with it will be more dangerous than the rate of a natural diet.
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:22.559
Like research, research is showing that the GLP1 in comparison to a caloric deficit is probably about what five to six times faster weight drop.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:33.119
So let's say you lose five pounds in five pounds or six months in three months, multiply that by five or six, you're done 30 pongs in three months.
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:44.559
If you were to stretch at five pongs over the year, you would still lose that that muscle mass that you would lose in the 30 in in in with it with the intervention.
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.440
But the intervention happens so fast that the muscle mass comes off almost immediately.
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:50.079
Okay.
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:50.880
I understand.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.000
So the body the body's gonna remove muscle mass irregardless.
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.199
But the rate at which using a GLP1 is is cause for concern.
00:35:59.440 --> 00:35:59.760
Okay.
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:00.960
Right?
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.519
Um, we are overfed and undernourished.
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:06.559
Yes.
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:18.960
So now we are being, with the appetite being controlled and we eating significantly less, we run the chance of risk of being malnourished.
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:20.320
Oh, okay.
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:27.199
So now we have to supply all the necessary micronutrients to keep a healthy fibrant body.
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:27.679
Okay.
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:36.960
The minerals, the multivitamins, um, the antioxidants, the polyphenols, all the cool stuff that the veggies and the fruits bring into the diet.
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:37.360
Right.
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.639
And we have to ensure that we have adequate fiber intake.
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.440
And that's kind of like the main core things that you would need.
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.400
Some specialty things that we do too as well is testing the stomach acid.
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:05.519
Because if your body doesn't have enough stomach acid, if it's not strong enough, you don't actually break down the protein into small amino acids that you can absorb.
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:12.880
So that's more like the around the more technical side of going into things, which I think is very important too.
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:22.079
But those are just the main things that I've outlined that if somebody does that well, they should be okay.
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:29.679
You know, you just put on a masterclass in in just those few minutes there and talking about what you just said.
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.800
Uh and uh it sounded so profound.
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:44.800
I mean, it made me want to just, you know, fly to Long Island and and uh take the class, you know, and come in and be a part of Body Image because uh it's it's that enticing.
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:51.840
Uh so my question is then, you know, do you have anything that people can tap into?
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.639
Because there's not a Jason Nelson everywhere, right?
00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:02.000
There's not a person with your drive and your passion to do what you do, you know, at every corner and facet of the earth.
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:14.400
Uh so with that, you are the one to continue to take this message out and cause the reach to go further than Long Island, New York.
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.199
Right?
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.039
So how are you doing that?
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.079
Or are you doing that?
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:24.159
And how can people tap in to the knowledge that you just gave in those few moments?
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.119
Well, everything I just outlined is our online program.
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:30.159
All right.
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:31.840
That's what I was getting to.
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:33.920
So you could you can find us anywhere.
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.760
Our um medical providers work across all 50 states.
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:38.400
Okay.
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.239
So you will have a medical team on the back end to answer all your questions.
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:44.639
Wow.
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:52.239
They do the prescribing, they do the follow-up, and um we provide the coaching um and all the support that you need.
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.639
I mean, we have done this a couple hundred times.
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:08.719
So there's a there's a cluster of concerns and questions and fixes that's um that we garden to move things along fast.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:09.519
Okay.
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.800
So you so you look at the long term and not the short term.
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.880
You you want and but so many people look at the short term only.
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.599
I mean, that's the type of society we live in where people want things fast and quick and in a hurry.
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:33.440
And I think that has set the stage for you to come in and say it's okay if something takes a little longer uh to achieve.
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.199
Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:47.599
You know, um the GLP one is just a tool we use to acquire the noise while we lay around the foundations, because when the drug has when the drug is done, the foundations will remain.
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:48.559
Yes.
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:54.159
And that's and that's how we're able to have a 94% success rate.
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:59.440
Like six months after the intervention has ended.
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:05.679
Okay, 94% of our people maintain their weight, maintain their body weight.
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:19.599
So if they weighed 135 at the end of the intervention, six months later, they they're able to maintain their weight just because we layer down the foundations and the habits that you need.
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:26.639
We just use the tool to acquire the noise to give the changes time to work.
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:27.679
That's it.
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:36.320
And when it comes to weight loss or fat loss, I would say, fat loss is the entry point to longevity.
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.480
Most people think when they lose the fat, that's it.
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:51.920
I could tell you from myself personally, from testing myself and testing other people, that is not the case because what you don't know will kill you.
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.760
That is true.
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.639
And that is true in so many instances.
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:00.320
And it starts, you know, a lot with the food that we eat.
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.840
And, you know, I it's hard to say even what's safe nowadays.
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:16.960
You know, my my wife and I, you know, we we have a plant-based lifestyle, uh, and uh, but we we have to find, you know, through plant proteins, different ways of making sure that that protein intake is is there.
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.519
And sometimes it's difficult, you know, to maintain that.
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:31.599
Uh and and and but I want to jump over to um you know the human optimization project because and I want to ask you a question here.
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:38.400
Um, because you focus on energy, cognition, and biological aging.
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:55.920
And and when you stripped away conventional ideas of getting older, right, what core habits did you find that truly preserve a person's vitality and spirit as the decades pass?
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:57.760
This is such a great question.
00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.280
And this is something I want to know.
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.119
I mean, I'm intrigued as I get older.
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.960
I want to know hey, what are those those key aspects that preserve a person's vitality and spirit?
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.960
This is such a good question, and it's a very simple answer.
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:29.119
Of all when I look at all the biological age data of the people that I work with, including myself, lifestyle modifications move the needle the most.
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.800
And set that aside for now, okay.
00:42:34.960 --> 00:43:02.559
Right, with all the peptides and HRT and GLP ones, when I sat on the sessions with the clinical team on the diagnostic side, and they are going through reports with me, what they found is people who are using a lot of the peptide therapies seem to be doing more harm to their biological age than good.
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:03.760
Okay.
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:13.679
So it's uh you use what you need to use to optimize to get to a certain point, and after that, that's it.
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.360
What it found was too many peptides at once conf conflicting signals.
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:20.000
Okay.
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.960
So the body doesn't know how to respond.
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.239
Certain things tend to cancel out each other, for lack of a better word.
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:28.719
Yes.
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:34.880
So the body's interpreting the signals like, well, I don't know if we should do this or we should do that.
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.719
And it makes sense, right?
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:37.360
Right.
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:41.280
So I'm I'm a strong advocate for peptide therapy.
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:42.400
I use it myself.
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:43.679
I recommend it myself.
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:44.159
Okay.
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:51.840
But only to only to optimize and bring certain uh aspects of your health up.
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.320
Okay.
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:53.199
And that's it.
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.760
And when you get to that point, you back off.
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.679
So so it's important for people to do research to understand.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:07.519
Understand that you just can't dive into something and just do it over and over and over and expect all these positive results.
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.039
You have to know the process.
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:09.760
Right.
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.920
And and and the research has to start with awareness and testing.
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:14.559
Okay.
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:20.800
Like the three major tests in the human optimization project.
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.840
We use epigenetic methylation testing.
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:24.320
Okay.
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:34.639
Which is the gold standard, by the way, the true way to test your biological age because it satisfies all AFAR's criteria, the American Federation for Aging Research.
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:35.119
Okay.
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.119
And it's funny, I have uh people using like the Hume the Hume band.
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.000
Yes, yes.
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:45.280
And I have this one client, and she's like, this thing keeps aging me every week.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.480
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, just just take a deep breath and like slow down.
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.400
It's like it satisfies just one of the four criteria.
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.280
Right?
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:55.760
Okay.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:00.320
So don't don't don't don't don't lose sleep over it.
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.920
Um I don't think a lot of people know the criteria though.
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.039
So ah so the four criteria.
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.400
One, it must truly predict the rate of biological aging.
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:21.599
Number two, it must be proven in mammals with shorter lifespans before being proven in humans.
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.079
Okay.
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.119
Number three, it must predict the rate of aging regardless of any chronic disease.
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.679
So it just it mustn't tell you that you have diabetes.
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.039
It must look at the foundation under that.
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:37.519
Okay.
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:44.880
And number four, it must be able to be retested without causing harm to the individual.
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.360
So a simple blood draw, but not like a dangerous biopsy.
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.000
Okay.
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:50.960
Wow.
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.800
So with a a human only satisfies number four.
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.719
The other three, it doesn't.
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.639
The other three is it's missing.
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:01.119
Right?
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:01.760
Okay.
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:10.800
So part two of these tests, one is called the organ system agent, and this is very important for everybody listening.
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:11.280
Okay.
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.960
So the 11 organ systems that's tested.
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.199
Heart, brain, liver, kidney, musculoskeletal, lungs, a couple of this.
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:30.000
So let's it it shows you the age of these organ systems with in regards to your chronological age.
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:37.920
And what I've seen is across all the tests, including mine, what you optimize for is what you get.
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:51.519
So I'm pretty sure as a runner yourself, your long, your long scores are pretty good, your cardiorespiratory scores are pretty good, your your metabolic scores are pretty good.
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:56.480
But if you don't strengthen, your musculoskeletal scores might be behind.
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:04.000
So now you see this awesome line graph with these little buttons, just like your DJ mixer.
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:04.639
Yes.
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.679
But it's not it's not horizontal anymore, it's vertical.
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:15.599
So on the top, it's your chronological age, and then you have the biological age of all the 11 organ systems below.
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.400
So the goal is to bring them into alignment and behind your chronological age.
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.679
And you see somebody, I've an avid runner.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.199
I see your scores.
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.039
I hate doing cardio.
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:33.920
I force myself to do a little, my musculoskeletal scores are like 37.
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:34.719
Okay.
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.519
And then my brain scores aging a bit faster.
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.719
Wow.
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:47.360
So it doesn't being fit or being lean does not solve for everything.
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.559
We need to lift the hood, go under.
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:51.920
That's interesting.
00:47:52.079 --> 00:48:04.800
And one of the the third score, which I think has the most um, which we use to test the protocol or retest the protocol is the pace of aging.
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.400
So it's like a speedometer.
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:07.199
Oh.
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:13.119
So one equals one biological age year to one chronological age year.
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:13.920
That's an equal.
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:14.239
Okay.
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.519
A negative score means that you're aging slower.
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:18.719
I like that.
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.239
One one point something means that you're aging faster.
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:22.800
Okay.
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:36.320
And for every one year, your chronological age, your biological age is over your chronological age, you have a 17% chance risk of dying of cancer within the next five years.
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.880
So if the delta is three, that's what, 51?
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:41.679
Okay.
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:42.719
Wow.
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:50.639
So these are things that we need to know because it goes beyond how you look and how you feel.
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:51.360
Right.
00:48:51.679 --> 00:49:03.199
Because at certain at certain points in time, the the we have this um genetic time switch that clicks on and they say, hey, you're gonna get arthritis.
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:04.880
And bam, you get arthritis, right?
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.320
Like dementia, for instance.
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:06.960
Exactly.
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.280
Seems to show up at just this one particular time, you know, 68, 69, 70.
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:17.440
My mom is battling dementia right now.
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:19.440
Okay, wow, sorry.
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:25.760
And prior to that, she's fine, and suddenly it happens.
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:30.000
So, so what let's go there just for a second.
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:40.400
You know, I I know we're we we're we're um you know, uh taking a lot of time with this, and and and I want to because I want people to hear your voice and hear what you have to say.
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:50.960
What are some brain health exercises or things that people need to do to keep everything in alignment?
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.360
The brain, the body.
00:49:53.519 --> 00:50:00.000
I mean, we want the that you know slamming looking body, but the brain is suffering in the process.
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.960
How can we keep the brain, you know, in sync with what we're seeing physically?
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:10.800
Okay, so I'm gonna take you back to what I put aside at the beginning of that long-winded answer.
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:11.760
Yes, okay.
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:20.159
Some of the more some of the easier things we could do to optimize our biological age to slow it down.
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.800
Sleep number one.
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.920
And when it comes to brain health, sleep again.
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.159
Is it eight hours though?
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:34.800
Is it is it because that that's something that you know, or or is it just real sleep?
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.960
Like we we gotta hit that realm sleep.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:37.920
Talk to us.
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:48.559
Once you're sleeping, once you are getting seven to eight, seven to nine uninterrupted sleep, the body's the body should go through those cycles.
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:49.039
Okay.
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:57.679
So that I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's not important, but the goal is to get sufficient uninterrupted sleep.
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:58.239
Okay.
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.360
When that happens, you should go through those cycles.
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:10.159
So if a person is just you know sleeping eight hours, but they're getting up every hour, interrupted or turning and tossing, and you know, that's not eight hours of sleep.
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.360
That's just eight hours of lying, you know, horizontally.
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:14.239
Correct.
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:20.079
And, you know, they're they're there are you know, to not to get too long-winded again, right?
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:27.440
There are different parts in that sleep cycle, that weak cycle, where we could target certain systems of the body.
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:34.880
11 to 1, this reactive hypoglycemia, one to three might be a liver issue.
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:35.119
Okay.
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.079
Two to five could be oxidative stress.
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.119
Now, when it comes to brain health, you said exercises.
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:44.960
That's one way to look at brain health.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.840
Now we need to look at detox for the brain.
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:58.000
Sleep helps with detoxifying the brain because sleep enhances what is called your redox cycle, your redox state, sorry, and the brain.
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.239
And exercise.
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.760
How does exercise help?
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:03.599
And what type of exercise helps?
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:12.400
Well, strength training helps, aerobic training helps, but you know that workout where you have to do 50 jumps, squat jumps.
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:18.239
Yes, and your muscles are burning, and you want to give up.
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.199
But you might just be in a group and you don't want to look soft.
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.199
You don't want to look bad, you don't look soft.
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:25.840
The ego kicks in.
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:31.519
That the waste product, the lactate that builds up in the blood.
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:33.119
The brain loves that.
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:37.280
The lactate goes to the brain and becomes what is called BDNF.
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:37.599
Really?
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.079
Brain-derived neotropic factor.
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.440
And that acts as like fertilizers for the neurons.
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.760
Neurons get ahead of that, and they're like, oh, this is good.
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:54.079
So that type of training really um enhances brain health.
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:01.679
Then you use stuff to detoxify the brain, and NRF1 um activators.
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:02.880
I hope I got it right.
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.400
Um, horseradish.
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:05.280
Oh, really?
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.320
Wasabi.
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:06.880
Yeah.
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:08.639
I love I love that stuff.
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:09.840
Yeah, right.
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.519
And then we're looking at um exercises for the brain.
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:20.239
I saw this one doctor on Instagram, she's a cognitive health specialist, and I stole it and I did with my clients, right?
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:20.800
Oh, yeah.
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:27.360
So you get a tennis ball and you toss it against the wall, right hand, left hand, right hand, left hand.
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:28.880
And then you close one eye.
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:35.199
And what you're actually doing, you're what you're actively doing, is getting cross-hemispheric communication.
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.039
Right brain, left brain.
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:37.440
Okay.
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.079
Right.
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.599
And then you stand on one leg now to take it up to a different level.
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:46.320
Because remember the brainstem, the basal ganglia, the cerebellum.
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:46.960
Yes.
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.239
All those things work with higher brain functions.
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:59.280
So the more we could challenge ourselves proprioceptively, proprioceptively, the better the more aware the brain has to become.
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.239
It sends more efferent and afferent neurons.
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.760
It has to have this super high way it starts going.
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.800
So now we're becoming sharper.
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:15.360
So we sleep well, we eat well, we train hard, and we enhance the brain through activities.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.039
And now we stand a chance.
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.000
I I get it.
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.280
So we stand a chance.
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:27.119
So the more dormant we are and the less sleep we get, we're actually doing harm to the brain.
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:28.559
Oh my gosh, 100%.
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.960
I mean, and there are other things that we can't control, like microplastics.
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:33.840
True.
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:34.320
Yes.
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.760
You know, you're right.
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:41.519
We can only control what we can, and that's the best we could do.
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:48.559
We could limit the use of plastics in the house, you know, um, but control what you can.
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.000
And I think that's a good message for people to understand.
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.599
Because sometimes people give up because they say, well, what's the use?
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.960
You know, I can't do anything about these external factors, but you can do something about you.
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:08.000
You can live the best life that you can in the midst of all these other factors that you cannot control.
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.239
And that's what I hear you saying.
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:17.519
And so, well, you know, we can't give it all away because you know, we want people to go to your site, get the online course.
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:19.039
I need to sign up for it.
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:24.480
We need to all sign up for it because this is valuable information.
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:32.719
And I have to say that that you have really helped me to see things differently too, as well.
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.079
Uh, and I'm serious about you know checking you out.
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.960
And and um I would love to, and I I gotta come see you next time in New I'm in New York.
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:41.840
I am there.
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:52.800
My wife and I love traveling to New York, and so we will come and check you out and uh at least uh get a glimpse of of you live and in an action, right?
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:54.480
That's that's the that's the key.
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.440
But but the other part is that online presence and and you have that.
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.559
And so how can people tap into that?
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.280
Well, you could find me on Instagram.
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:11.119
I'm more active there, J Nelson, J-A-Y, Nelson 0580.
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:12.639
I'm there on Instagram.
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:13.039
Okay.
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.400
And you could go to bodyimage.health.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:21.599
And I've just redone my website, so it should be looking beautiful.
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All right.
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Well, we want people to go to bodyimage.health.
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And there you'll there you'll find um information.
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And I'm not I'm not one to to have tons of explanations and stuff on my website.
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It's just some core messages.
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If it resonates with you, hopefully it does.
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If it doesn't, I'm not your guy.
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But but listen, let me let me say this though.
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People, I I think that that part of um you know website building is behind us.
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I think people want to know, okay, what are the bullet points?
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What do I need to know?
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What do I need to understand?
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What are you offering?
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I'm not gonna sit here and take two hours to read through your web page.
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People are not doing that anymore.
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And they 100% they're not doing that.
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You know, and that's that's why I fired my last guy.
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I said people, people are not if they want to read, they'll go read.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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Just want to just want to see within five seconds, ten seconds, if you're the right person for me.
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So, so short to the point website, you got your Instagram page.
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Uh, and so I think that those two tools uh are key in this process.
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So, due to expire listeners, I want you to go to your IG, check out, is it J J A Y Nelson?
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0580.
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0580.
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Go check it out and then bodyimage.health.
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You gotta do it.
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Uh, I'll be right there with you.
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I've already I'm already a follower of you on on Instagram, so that's that's that's key right there.
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Um, and so here's my final question for you today, my friend.
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You know, when the noise of the fitness world fades away, I want you to follow me on this one.
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When all the noise of the fitness world fades away, and you look back at your journey from Trinidad to Long Island, New York, from being one of eight, the youngest of eight, to the founder of Body Image.
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What is the essential truth about health that you hope your clients pass down to the next generation coming from you?
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Stand guard at the gates of your mind and don't stop, don't dig your grave with a knife and fork.
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Wow, like most most Americans are doing that.
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Yes, the food is not going anywhere, and you don't have to become uh a banana to be one of the bunch.
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I love that, right?
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You don't don't give in to pressure.
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I've been called boring, I've been called this.
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You know I I I think I I've heard this and I love this.
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If you're on your deathbed, you cannot borrow life points from the person visiting you.
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So while you're live and kicking, don't allow them to steal it.
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Wow, don't allow them to steal it.
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Stand firm, lock it up, exercise, train, move your body.
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We were creatures that were designed to build and live stuff and move stuff, yes, create and you know, just surround yourself with the people that you love because in all the longevity studies in the blue zones, the number one thing was strong social connections.
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Yes.
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But you can connect if you can't move around.
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Wow.
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Full circle.
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That's big.
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All right.
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Well, listen, that is profound advice, profound knowledge.
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You heard it yourself, ladies and gentlemen, from one of the people that I have grown during this podcast to admire even more, Jason Nelson, founder of Body Image and the Health Optimization Project.
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You're doing great work, Jason.
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We appreciate you.
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I thank you for sharing this knowledge and wisdom with us today.
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And hopefully, all of our listeners will check you out and then also understand that they too have a role to play.
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And right now, I'm gonna go work out.
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How about that?
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That's that's awesome.
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All right.
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Thank you for having me, buddy.
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I appreciate it.
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I appreciate you being here.
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Uh, that's it, due to expire listeners.
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Jason Nelson, thank you for reminding us that taking care of the body isn't about chasing a finish line, it's about protecting the container for our purpose, our presence, and our future.
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To everyone tuning in today, take a look at where you are directing your energy.
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Are you chasing quick fixes?
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Or are you laying down foundations that will serve you decades from now?
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Remember, your time is non-renewable.
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Treat your mind, your health, and your longevity with the reverence they deserve.
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I want to thank you for listening today.
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I'm your host, Corey Kennar.