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Welcome to the Next Level Soul podcast, where we ask
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the big questions about life. Why are we here?
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Is this all?
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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
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and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the
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guests and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
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they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome back
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Matt Cohn. Now, Matt and I are going to have
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a deep conversation in which we had at Next Level
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Soul Studios about soulmates and twin flames, how to find
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your soulmate, how to recognize it, what to do internally
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to do so, and to have them attract to you.
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But also we have an exclusive where Matt reveals that
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he is now channeling and has always been channeling, but
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has not publicly come out and said it before. And
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in today's episode we talk about that in depth. So
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let's dive in. I like to welcome back to the
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show returning champion, Matt conn.
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How you doing, brother, Thank you, It's an honor to
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be here. What an incredible setup you have.
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Thank you so much, my friend. I appreciate that it's
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been a long time coming. Man, long time coming.
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And I just wanted to start out by saying, because
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you know, I've known you for a little bit, and
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I just wanted to congratulate you on this incredible success.
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And whenever I get to tune in and watch you
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and and all these wonderful guests, it's such a beautiful
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level of connection, and I just I love everything you're doing,
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and so the chance to come back and spend time
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with you is truely an honor.
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Oh, I truly appreciate that and thank you so much. Well,
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I mean, you are a OG, sir, You are a
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OG of next level soul. You are episode sixteen. I
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think you. I think the first time we interviewed, I
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was in my film set of my old podcast because
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I hadn't even built a set for this show yet.
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And then our second interview we did, I was in
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my Airbnb in it almost looked like a closet, and
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I'm wondering what you're thinking at this boy. You're like
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this guy like he's in a closet. I don't understand
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what's going on.
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I don't know these things. I thought it was such
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We had some great, greank conversations, and I think, great
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guy but honestly, I didn't have any thoughts about those interviews.
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That's when I sat stepped into this set and I went, oh.
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No, it's funny. When you walked in, you were like
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you saw my office where like the computers are, like,
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so are we doing it in here? Are we being
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interviewed in here? Like is there a mic anywhere?
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Like?
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Are we I'm like, no, no, dude, we we got
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a little something on the.
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Other side of this is this is next level all
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this is next level certain time.
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Well, and congratulations to you. You just you're a newly.
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Wet if I'm not mistaken, correct, Yeah, I'm the lord
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of the ring. I married h you know, Joey and
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I got married on Saint Patrick's Day, which was a
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year to the date of the day we met.
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That's amazing.
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And we met at a conference, as you know, we're
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both speaking on stage. We never met each other, and
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we met by the end of the weekend. We both
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had promised each other in our next relationship when if
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that is, we're going to take it slower than ever.
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We promised each other silently. I promised myself this, and
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so I met her and then by the end of
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the weekend, I was in a committed relationship, which was
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the opposite of that declaration.
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Well, you know, a year later to get married pretty
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pretty quick, my friend, pretty quick. But you know, as
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you get older, though, you know, when you know man
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and and you guys are both connected a little bit
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to the to the to the sour city. Yeah, so
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you guys kind of felt that energy and you're like,
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why are we wasting time? You know what?
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Actually it's funny, and she tells this story so well.
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But when we met, we turned around. We met. Within
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a few minutes of talking, literally our energy fields connected
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and it was literally like the universe saying, by the way,
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you two are together, so you figure it out, You're welcome. Yeah,
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process a journal about it whenever you got to do
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pull cards. But you're together.
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So let me ask you this though. Have you guys
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been together in other lifetimes?
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Is the question I think we have. She has more
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of a sense of that. I have a familiarity with her.
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There's a felt sense of it. But I went through
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an experience, and I think this is maybe I went
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through an experience a couple of years ago, because you know,
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we've had different interactions over the years, and what's interesting
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is I go through so much growth and expansion as
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we all do, that every time I meet you, I
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feel like I'm meaning you, like as a new version
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of myself. Literally I meet myself brand new every single day.
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But I went through this experience many years ago of
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awakenings where you know, you remember your past lives and oh,
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I think I was this character and I remember this memory.
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And then I went through an experience a couple of
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years ago where it was and I think of levels
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of consciousness like floors in a building. So at one floor,
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I remember my past lives, some of them at least,
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and I process that, and I've been here before, and
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I know there is no death. Li'vee continues all these realizations,
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and then I had this experience of going to the
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next floor, and I suddenly realized that even the experience
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of my past lives was just a different dream. And
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I've now have this lived experience where the past lives
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I did remember, the wisdom has been integrated, the wounding
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has been healed, and I actually live as this as
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if this lifetime is my first and only lifetime, which
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then gave me an actual, real experience of what it
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means to be reborn, not like in a religious sense,
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but what that really means spiritually to be reborn and
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to literally be in this lifetime as if it's your
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first and only lifetime. And so when I met Joy,
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I had I'm in this place where all the all
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the sense of past or even past lifetimes is gone.
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But there was a familiarity I felt with her for sure.
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This there was this uh, I know you, where have
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you been? Where have you been?
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Where have you been? This I felt it with my wife.
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Is right, Yeah, I've been. I've been looking since I
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was fourteen years old. And you know, every person you know,
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are you?
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Are you? Are you the one?
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Oh? Yeah, we went through We went through a lot
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of frogs, as they say. Yeah. So it's interesting though,
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when you do meet people like that, and it doesn't
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have to be romantic, other people like that that. Just
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people are like, oh where have you been?
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There's this an automatic connection, an automatic and energy. And
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there are people that when you meet them, you're like, oh,
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get away from me, get away from me. I don't
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know what we what we did in an our life,
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Just go away. There's one person I won't mention their name.
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But I just when I met them, their energy was
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so heavy. Like other people around me had no problem
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with her, yeah, but she was. I was like, I can't,
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I can't, I can't. She did nothing to me, nothing, no, no,
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no mean word has ever been spoken to me. Not
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an action has been done to me. Nothing, But there
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was something about the energy. I was just like, I
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got to no, no, do not want to hang out
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with her anymore.
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I can't.
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So it goes both ways. It goes both ways. So
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let me ask you, since we were talking about your
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your new found love, your long lost love, a lot
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of people watching are trying to find their divine connection,
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connect their their other half in this life. What advice
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do you have for people who are like we were searching.
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I mean, I was dirty and I found mine and
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that's it was a good, good amount of time. Sure,
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and you just recently found yours. Yeah, forty seven exactly.
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So it's different for everybody. Some people are lucky to
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find them in high school. Some people find them at
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eighty right, you know, which is upsetting.
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Sometimes it's the tunnel.
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It's as you're going through the tunnel. Wow, come on.
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I'll see in the next one.
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So what advice do you have for people who are
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just in just looking and looking and looking. I could
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tell you one thing, though.
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Yeah, well I have very specific advice.
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What would you say, Well, the thing I did is
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like I stopped looking. Yea, I stopped looking. I'll tell
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you exactly how it happened. I'd been single for three years,
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broke up with a bad relationship, and I was I
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did a walk about in Mexico. I went down there,
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went to the pyramids, and I did by myself. Yeah,
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early years ago, went down by myself and went to
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all the things. I just had like a walk about,
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a spiritual walk about, even though I didn't know what
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a spiritual walk about, but kind of a spiritual walk about.
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And on the plane back, I just said to God,
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you know, God, it'd be kind of nice if I
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can find someone who I could love and could love
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me back. That was the order I placed. Three weeks later,
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she showed up. Three weeks later, she showed up, and
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we've been together ever since. I love that. So we'll
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be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
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now back to the show. I stopped looking. That was
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my because I was always like, hello, you are you, it,
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are you? It? Are you? It? And that energy I
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don't think, at least for me, it didn't work for
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trying to find that other person the moment I said
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I'm good on my own. It'd be nice if I
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could find that other half now, not like I need
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you to live more like you compliment the way and
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walking this, I need someone to walk with me next
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to me as a journey. Does that make sense?
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It does? I think that part of the confusion. And
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I have a couple of very specific piece of advice
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on this that I think are maybe not expected, but
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this it will be the truth of what I've lived out.
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I think that people think that either looking for your
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beloved is going to be what causes you to find them,
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And usually when you're looking for your beloved, you're trying
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to cast someone into the role they're not meant to play, right,
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So then you treat someone who isn't your beloved as
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your beloved, and you know, we can see all the
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sitcoms that are created out of that. So I think
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there's an idea that looking for my beloved is going
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to help me stack the deck. But then the other
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spiritual superstition is looking is what's blocking me. What I
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would say is that neither looking is blocking or helping you.
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It's just what you do to pass the time until
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the moment arrives. So you had an intuition that said
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I'm going to meet my wife soon, and so you
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process that intuition by declaring I'd like to meet that one,
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and then three weeks later she entered your life. So
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for me, I look at that, and it's very similar
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with law of attraction. There are some people who think
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they're creating at a thin air, and actually what they're
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doing is they're intuiting that it's near, and then their
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declaration that I'm going to create it or that it's
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here is actually the acceptance of I accept this as
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coming near, and I'm willing to choose that timeline. So
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I had been looking for my beloved since I was,
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you know, like fourteen years old, and I had heard
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so many times from people, oh, don't look for the one,
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so I would not look for the one as a
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way of trying to stack the deck to bring the
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one to me. So one eyes closed, not looking for
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the one, one eye open, making sure I don't miss her,
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relationships and they were all wonderful and preparing me for
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the kind of relationship I wasn't meant to be in.
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And I got to a place in my life where
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I thought, you know, if it's not going to be
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the kind of relationship that I've always thought I was
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meant to have. I'm okay alone. I'm successful, I'm good alone,
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I cook incredibly, I live a very beautiful life. I
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serve the world, and that's my one of my greatest passions.
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the humanity be my beloved until or if it was
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meant to happen. And when it was getting closer to
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well as I was, I was kind of out of
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my last really relationship before Joy and I met, what
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I decided to do. So there's two things that happen.
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going to live like a single married man a single husband.
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So I'm married to my wife. She hasn't materialized in
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my reality yet, but I'm not going to even go
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on a date with a woman unless I have a
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sense that she could actually be the one, or else
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I'm going to treat a woman in a way that
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isn't the role she's meant to play. And I felt
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like like I would be cheating on my wife. And
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at first I was like, that's either super romantic or
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I'm doubling down on my weird, insane stuff. But it
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felt really true of I don't want to call play
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a relationship. I don't want to role play this. I
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want to actually either be in the relationship I'm meant
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to be in or not at all. So I would
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meet people and there'd be interest, and I would know
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this would be an exploration, but this is not the
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one for me, and so I wouldn't even engage in
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a first date because I would only go on a
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first date with someone I actually thought could be my wife.
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So it was like a courtship.
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How and what age did you come up with this?
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I mean this was a couple. This was maybe five
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or so years ago, so yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
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really serious, and that for me gave me a sense
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of closure. And another thing is when when it got
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close to meeting Joy and I didn't know this. I
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was taken through an experience with my guides and they
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kind of explained to me something really interesting. And they
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had said, you know, everyone thinks birth is followed by death,
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and that's why everyone's afraid of death. It's the unknown.
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But actually death comes before birth, right there's the death
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of being in the womb as one is born. There's
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the death of the death of being the seed before
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you blossom the flower. So death actually occurs.
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You know.
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Joy would say entropy, that's a beautiful word. She uses
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a lot that I've learned from her, but she would
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say that, you know, it's a true thing that death
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occurs in order for birth to dawn. And so my
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guides had said to me, you're going to meet your beloved,
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but there's going to be a time where those who
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come together are separated, whether by death. And my guide
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said to me, Melchisedek said, even if you hold hands
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and walk into the gates of heaven together, there's going
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to be a moment somewhere where you go your separate ways.
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And so I was walked through a process of processing
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the death of my wife as a way of opening
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up to being able to receive her in a way
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where I wouldn't give my power away to the relationship.
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And we're having this relationship wouldn't then make me afraid
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of losing something, or that I'd be a people pleaser,
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or that I'd figure out what can I do to
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keep her all the things that we do when our
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ego gets involved. And so I was taken through this
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really incredible experience of in order to be the version
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of myself that she's welcoming into her reality, and in
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order to welcome in the version of her that I'm
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welcoming in, I have to allow that she and I
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that haven't even come to be, to perish. And I
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processed the death of her, and for me it was
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the death of not only us, but I had been
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looking for my wife for so many years. I also processed,
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this may not be what's meant to be for me.
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So I processed the death of the fantasy of my
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wife that in order for me to meet her in reality,
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I have to let the fantasy die. I have to
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stop keeping myself company with visions of me and my wife,
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and I had to let the fantasy die. And so
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I went through this very deep experience of letting the
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fantasy and whatever will be in reality to die and
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to go through that, and on the other end of that,
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I became a very different version of myself, who at
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that point was so whole and was so embodied. And
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I remember I went to this speaking event in Arizona.
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I was going to be a keynote speaker, and I
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had to go to the breakfast thing, you know, and
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meet all the other speakers whatever, which and I remember
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I was in such a funny place when I went
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into that breakfast. I was just like in my mind, like,
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I hope no one bats their eyes at me. I
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am so not in this place, and you know, I'm
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done and I'm complete, and you know, all the big declarations.
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And I walked in and she and I wound up meeting.
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Like.
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She turned around and I and we met, and within
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a few minutes our energy fields just clicked and we
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sat down at the same table. We were both joking
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that this you know, pre speaker thing felt like traffic
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school and what is this? And by the end of
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that breakfast, we found ourselves just in this you know, Wow,
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this connection is instantaneous on every level, not just like
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the spiritual connection like I think we're supposed to be together,
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but you know, the attraction and everything. And then she
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was speaking that weekend, I was speaking that weekend, and
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that weekend we spent getting to know each other, and
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by the end of the weekend we were in a
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committed relationship because we had both said that we both
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didn't want to explore it unless this was fully committed
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journey together and if I felt that this actually could
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be my wife.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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And now back to the show.
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I don't casually date, I don't do any of that stuff.
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I want to get to know her and I want
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to focus on that, and I want to see what
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this is. And she was of the same mindset, and
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so we got into a relationship. We traveled back and
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forth from Arizona to Seattle a few times. She moved
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in months later, and on the year anniversary of the
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day we met, we were married. And it's been the
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greatest relationship that I've ever known. But and I'm sure
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she'd probably say the same hope, you know, I'm sure
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she was saying exception, Alex. I'm sure she would say
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the same thing, Alex, Wait, wait, let me muscle testing. Yepy,
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she would she would say that. But I hope, so,
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I hope so if not, this is a really bad
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success at a sequel. If not, this is gonna be
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next level soul when spirituality needs six needs delusion.
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Absolutely right.
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So, but it is the best relationship I've ever been in,
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and it's because of the journey that I went through
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to become the version of myself that we were both
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meant to be together. She had a similar experience of
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I'm only going to take seriously a man I think
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is my husband. So we were both living as single
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married people. And the reason I think that's incredible advice
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is thank you is because when you like, if you're
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a single person and you're just dating, well, let me
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then back up and say this, there's a way that
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the soul connects, and there's a way that ego engages.
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So it's it's it's very telling. So when the when
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the soul connects, the soul says, I don't lean in
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unless it's a yes on every level. The ego says,
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I lean in as if it's a yes and hope
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for the best when I'm not sure. So what the
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ego doesn't know is the phrase I don't know. If
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you hear it, you hear no, you don't hear I
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don't yes, so the ego says, well, but we don't
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want to just judge the person. We don't want to who.
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Knows, sure she works in the mafia. Who knows? I
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mean she's I could change her right.
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Sure, they're sure they're holding a butcher knife.
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But I mean, yeah, over your neck while you sleep, Yeah,
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I mean it's I'm sure it's.
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Everyone has a tick. Everyone, Everyone has the thing they do.
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You know what, that's how they stay safe. And that's
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another thing though that you know, we're joking about it.
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But the rationalization of the other person. And man, I
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don't know if you went through that, but you start rationalizing,
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you like the fear comes in, like I'm afraid of
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being alone. It's just a butcher knife. I'm sure that you,
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you know, to the money out of my account for
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a good reason, whatever that is. And it could be
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here or her, everybody please on both sides. But that
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rationalization is powerful and gets people into a lot of trouble.
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Got me into trouble. I think it probably got you
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into trouble. Early on, we all rationalized because we were
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their fear of being alone, fear of being rejected, fear
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of every all the fears start coming in and in
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your ego it's like, well, this is't that course, you know,
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and all this kind of stuff is something that we
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really need to keep an eye on when you're walking in.
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Like when I walked in to my relationship with my wife,
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it was it was soul level. There's no question. Before
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I even understood what that was, we just knew it.
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We both knew it. She couldn't wrap her head around me.
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I was We're so opposite, so she couldn't wrap her
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head around me. Because one moment, I am like Robin
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Williams bouncing off the walls our first date. I just
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and she's like, what is happening? I like him? But Jesus.
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The next one, I'm sitting in a bookstore with her
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talking deep things and she's like, who is this guy?
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Couldn't grasp it. But I walked into it just I
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just knew. And that's I think when you know, when
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you have that inclination. I just didn't care anymore. I'm like,
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I'm going to be me, right, you know, I'm going
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to be me and it's gonna be what it's going
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to be.
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Well, I think that's how Joy and I were, you know,
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I man, know, we were we we just were ourselves
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and we're both very transparent people, so there wasn't you
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know it was. It was more a conversation of I
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really like you, how do you feel about me? And
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it was so refreshing, right, because that's how that's how
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we both thought. We're both very honest people.
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And you didn't wait two days to call her back.
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That's a room, man, that's a dude rule. Two days
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if you want to really make her wait five days
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because that's smart.
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Yeah, with a fifty divorce rate.
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Right. So that those are the rules, the guys, those
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are the rules. Are the rules if you want a fiorce. Right,
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we're not even getting off the not even getting out
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of the gate.
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Here's the thing about my rules, which are made up.
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But if I if I like when Joanna went on
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a date and we parted, I texted her yeah two
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minutes later to say, I had a great time. Please
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let me know when you get home. I'd love to
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see you again. Right immediately, old school immediately school love immediately.
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Like if someone here's here's a dating rule. If they
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can't handle your inner sixth grader, let your inner sixth
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resent of text I like you. That was I had
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a great time.
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Do I have to hit you with a magazine to
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get your attention right?
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Exactly?
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To make me act weird?
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And we can act weird, but so you know, so
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we both lived as single married people. We both and
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so that's the thing. The ego says, if I'm not sure,
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I'm going to keep saying yes and create a relationship
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with someone that I haven't really gotten a solid yes around.
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I'm afraid of missing out. I'm afraid of being alone,
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and so we cast people in the wrong roles and
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that's when you get down into a relationship and one
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day you wake up and you go, I just can't
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do it, or you know, all these different things and
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you wind up hurting people. And so for me, I
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just didn't want to follow that energy again. The soul says,
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until I get a yes, I don't lean out of friendship.
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Like if someone goes, oh, I'm feeling this connection with you,
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well I'm not sure what I'm feeling or so far
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it's just a friendship. That's the soul and its confidence.
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The ego says, well, I'm looking for a partner, a
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sign that this is clearly got.
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The sign, there's a sign or spirit told me or
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this kind of thing. But it's using the ego, it's
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using terminology to make you because you don't feel that.
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You're thinking that, yeah, self fulfilling prophecy.
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It's thinking, you're not feeling it. And there is a
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there's a distinguation, distinguation. I can say the word distinguished
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between those two things. Thank you that the mental and
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the feeling. And boy, I lived up here most of
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my time.
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Well, and you know when you go from you know
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when when when people go from identifying with critical thinking
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as their motive motive function most of their life, and
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then you take in spiritual concepts and it goes from
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critical thinking to spiritually critical thinking. Then the critical thinking
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mind is the one that thinks it's observing all the signs,
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but it's actually piecing together a self fulfilling prophecy.
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That's a scary thing. That's a scary spiritual what was it? Spiritual?
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The spiritual critical thinking?
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Thank you, spiritual critical thinking.
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It's called it's also called magical thinking.
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Magical thinking.
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And what's interesting, And you know, Joy and I both
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are intuitive. We both channel you.
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Guys, and you guys have the you could easily fall
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into that world so quickly we we could.
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But what's interesting is that it is so easy for
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and again, the ego doesn't do it to hurt anyone.
519
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The ego is trying to be a helper. So it goes,
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you're so into spirituality, and you've convinced me that you're
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on some sort of mysterious Easter egg hunt. So I'm
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going to help you find the eggs, even though I'm
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going to invent them. And it's then we train our
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egos to be these searchers and seekers of spiritual signs.
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It's different when it's a sign. Like when it's a sign,
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it's so obvious you don't even know what to do
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with yourself. It's so just like like your mind goes blank.
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There are signs in the universe. But then there are
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the signs that we are kind of piecing together, Like
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you know, oh, I turn on the car radio and
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there's a song on the radio.
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Well, obviously, I mean obviously.
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And if it's Mariah Carey, w.
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Is Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celein beyond.
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Right and well Brian Adams, but Brian Adams back in
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the day, Brian Adams everything I do, I do for you.
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He is an archangel, sir, Yes, so, and I had
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been someone early in my career where I had gotten
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I had understood signs, and I started to know the
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difference between the universe bringing me a sign and then
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looking for signs as a way of trying to keep myself.
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So I so even in spirituality, we can use fantasy
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you keep ourselves company as we process the loneliness of
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our own separation from Source. Right, and so I had
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gotten so whole in myself even after years and years
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of awakening.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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And now back to the show.
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And when Joy and I met, I always say, you know,
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we met, obviously we fell in love, But when we
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fell in love, we didn't just fall in love with
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each other physically and emotionally mentally, We fell in love
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with each other's connection and devotion to Source. When we met,
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we showed each other our devotion to God. And that's
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when two people attracted to one another became husband and
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wife in the first ten minutes of meeting. And that's
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now our life absolutely beautiful.
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I hope that helps a couple people out there, because
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I wish I would have heard this conversation in my
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twenties or thirties, right, you know, yeah, honestly, well, it's
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it's power. It's powerful stuff, and so many people are looking.
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I'd love that. I'd love the idea that this this
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spiritual critical thinking, yes, and that the egos use the
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spiritual concepts. And you're like, well, you know, I did
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everything I was supposed to do. I burned the sage.
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You know, I'm wearing the right crystals. I don't really
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understand why, you know, you know, the psychic at the
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carnival said, I can do like I'm supposed to have
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he's coming or she's coming, and I'm supposed to have
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three kids with them, like that kind of stuff. But
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when you meet the real one, I think you and
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I are both lucky enough to have met that person.
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It is so different. It feels so different then everything
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else you've experienced prior to that. And even if you
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can't articulate what it is like when I first saw her,
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because we were hooked up. My mom hooked us up.
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My mom set us up, which is a miracle in itself.
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She was trying to get me married off. And when
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we when I saw her coming out of her house.
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I there was just just I've seen her. I saw
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pictures of her. We spoke on the phone just before FaceTime,
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and I just I just like, oh, well, there you are.
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And as the conversations kept going, I was like, oh, okay,
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don't get me wrong. I was still terrified. I was
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still terrified. I was terrified, but not that much, not
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enough to screw things up. But in the back of
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my head like, don't get hurt. Oh my god, this
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and that. But that's natural, especially when you're younger. But
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when I saw her, I just like, oh, there you are.
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And as we started talking more and more, you know,
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we went on our first date the next day. We
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went on our a date a few days may, a
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third day. It was just like boom, boom boom. And
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within a few months you moved in and we were
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off and running. It was it was. It was scary,
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but I just like, oh, it's okay, it's good. It's
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just the way it's supposed to be. And I was
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not next level souling. I was was not I you know,
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I think I might have started reading Autobiography of a
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Yoga at that point. I had not gotten through it
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yet because it was too woo woo for me at
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that time. So it was not like I had all
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this stuff in me. I just knew sure. And that's
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something you can't articulate with the ego.
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You just can't no, you can't well. And so I
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think the advice, you know, is, if there's any part
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of you that's when you're meeting someone that says I
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don't know, that means do not move past a friendship
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or an acquaintance ship until it's a yes. So we
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don't lean into a yes until it's a yes. I
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don't know means right now I don't know means no,
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and it could change, of course, but I I don't
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know is the same as a no. That's the best device.
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The other thing that I think is interesting is that
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people get caught up in their critical thinking mind right,
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which what the way I would describe the ego is
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a tendency to lean on critical thinking as your mind's
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mode of operation, right and spiritual wal it's very common
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to say, oh, the mind's the problem. The mind's not
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the problem. The mind is a genius creation. Right. If
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you have a high performance vehicle, but you only know
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how to drive it in certain modes, you're not going
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to get the most out of it. So in the
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same way, the mind is incredible, but when you're only
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using critical thinking, you're using a very small band with
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right and so I think, instead of trying to go,
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how do I know this is the one? The one
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can't be denied? Yes, So if you're not sure, I
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break it up with them, I say jokingly. At the
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same time, what Joy and I have. Neither of us
631
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could deny. We even both walked away going Okay, this
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is this is really, this is much. This is much.
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We're in Sedona. It's probably the vortex whatever. Maybe it's
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the salary juice I promise myself i'd never buy. Maybe
635
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it's a combination of things. And we both tried to
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rationalize our way out of this. But the one can't
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be denied.
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That's such a beautiful in your Absolutely yes, I should
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be a T shirt. The one cannot be denied. Absolutely true,
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because when you're when you do meet them, it's just
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it's just there's this poll, there's magnetic thing, but you
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have and you're just like, oh, you're my person, that's right,
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Oh you're you're my person.
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Yeah.
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Period, you're my person. Got it, that's right, got it. Now,
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it's not gonna be smooth sail in the entire Now,
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we're human beings. We all have our baggage, we all
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00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.719
have our stuff. Sure, but when you're with them, it
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00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.840
just it's like this, It runs like this a little
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bit as opposed to Rocky, at least from my experience.
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I've been on both.
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Versions absolutely well. And I think, you know, the ego
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will say, who do I desire? Right, That's that's the framework,
654
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who do I desire? But I think the deeper question
655
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is who do I desire growing with? Yeah, Joy and
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I desire growing with each other. You and your wife
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desire growing with each other. So what Joy and I
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go through in our lives. I mean, I have never
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won children, I have never had children. She has two
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grown children. I'm now a stepfather, I'm a step grandfather.
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I'm the dad to a puppy, a cat, and a dog.
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And I went from being this guy who was like,
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you know, I don't think.
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Being wolf wolf wolf baby.
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You're right, I'm gonna dedicate my self to my service
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to the world, my you know, help other people with
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their lives in that way. And I had this list
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of here's what I won't do. She destroyed that because
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the one can't be denied. And now I'm stepfather. I
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love the role I'm playing. The children I have you know,
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they're grown, they're adults, but we have a great relationship.
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And I'm I'm finding myself growing in a level of
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embodiment that is such an interesting integration of my entire
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journey of awakenings and and you know, of waking up
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and growing up and all these course corrective experiences. And
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on paper, I would have said nope, nope, nope, no,
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but the one can't be denied.
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Listen, so I promise you. If my list was on
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the on the table and my wife was looking at
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it before meeting me, she's like, oh, absolutely, he has
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a life size Yoda. What's a Yoda?
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Yeah, what's data?
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Which is a true story, by the way.
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Yeah.
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She called her Jodah for a while, Yodah Yodah because
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she had noice like old lady sitting in the corner,
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I swear to got And she was talking to a
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friend of hers and her friends like you will refer
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to him as Master Yoda, and she's.
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Like you too.
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You two to you all together, you geek say oh yeah,
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oh yeah, this long story so on paper, didn't I
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didn't definitely make sense in her world. There's no question
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film filmmaker doesn't have a steady job, goes from job
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to job, money comes in and out.
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Wanting no, no way, no way.
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But the one right cannot be doing.
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So if people are going on dates and trying to
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piece meal relationships together and trying to make it work.
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And then the other thing is if you're too busy
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being in relationship with people's potential and not being aware
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of the reality. And here's here's what I did in
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my past. I'll be honest about this, which is a
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funny phrase, be honest as if I've been lying the
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whole time.
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Exactly right.
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But so I'm now going to find with the hounumoy
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if we get to talk for a sea. But you know,
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I would be in relationship with the potential of someone.
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And what I didn't realize my personal life, because somebody's
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in your personal life. The things you learn are different
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than what you're teaching on stage. Took me a second,
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and what I realized was not only am I in
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relationship with the potential that this person is not ready
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to step into being what potential I am actually seeing
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them is the reflection of my potential.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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I'm actually confusing my light for their reality, and then
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I get into a relationship with them, and then all
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of a sudden, the person I thought I knew changes over.
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And it's when life says, actually, we're just introducing you
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to the person you confused with the light you see
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in their presence. And so it's amazing is that when
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we let I don't know, be a no and only
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yes as yes, it's easier to feel the oh yeah,
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or this is the person I meant to be with.
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And I had got into a place where I was
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not sure I was actually ever going to be in
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a relationship. So even though joy and I have met
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and we're both each others one, she stepped into the
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one who was going to be the best version of
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her in a relationship it was meant to be. I
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stepped into the one I was meant to be whether
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the marriage was going to happen or I was going
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to even meet her. The real one that both of
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us met were within ourselves. So I stepped into being
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the soulmate. Whether or not my beloved counterpart was meant
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to show open this lifetime. She did the same thing
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that brought us together, but we were also very detached
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and settled on whether I meet that person or not.
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Stepping into my fullest potential was might just be exactly
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the love that this lifetime has for me. And I
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got into a full acceptance of that and very clear,
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and now our relationship is that we get to receive
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the love of the other person from these full versions
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of ourselves. So I think that you know, when we're
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looking for our beloved, it's one thing to kind of
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be less than or insufficient and lonely and then expect
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another person's going to change how you feel. But if
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we take the real spiritual journey, the alchemy journey of
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becoming our highest self and form, that doesn't necessarily mean
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the next day you're going to meet that person, right.
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It means whether you're meant to meet the person or not,
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the oneness of love that you want to be in
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union with will be within you either way.
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Couldn't have put it better myself, sir. Where can people
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find out more about you? And the amazing work you're
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doing in the world.
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Well, well, thank you. By the way, my website's matt
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con dot org m A T t k a h
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N dot org. If you sign up for the free
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newsletter we send out, we also send you a link
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to our free documentary that was created. It's it's a
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documentary that you literally experience healing while you watch it.
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And I think actually the u r L for that
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is matt con dot org slash love And it's a
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free documentary that we created as a gift for the world.
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And you know, you can check out out the upcoming
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events that I'm doing, my wife and I are doing
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together and and really, you know, this is just it's
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time for the world to reac and act as one.
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And whether we're spiritual beings not spiritual beings, however we
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identify ourselves to be, we're all included. We all have
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a vital role in this ascension and we literally need
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the light and the power of every individual to help
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this world evolve.
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And so.
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It's incredible when you know, the spiritual community used to
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be these like little fringe groups, but the most intentional
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spiritual community is Earth because we're all spirit and so
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it's a beautiful thing to start, even just watching the
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beginning stages of this intentional community remember itself.
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And if I can end on this or can we
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make hashtag sniff chef sniff chef.
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Yes, yeah, I'm one of those sniffer chefs. That's how
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I feel when I say channel, I'm one of those channels.
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I'm one of those channels. Sniff channels, sniff channel, hashtag
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sniff channel. It's a thing.
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Let's make it a thing, everybody.
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It's a thing.
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Now, Brother, you're like a brother from another mother. I
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appreciate you so much for coming man, I appreciate you
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how much love. I want to thank Matt so much
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for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and
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wisdom with all of us. If you want to get
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links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head
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over to the show notes at next levelsoul dot com
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forward slash four five zero. Now, if this conversation stirred
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TV thank you so much for listening. As I always say,
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trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see
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you next time.
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Matt Cohn. Now, Matt and I are going to have
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a deep conversation in which we had at Next Level
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Soul Studios about soulmates and twin flames, how to find
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your soulmate, how to recognize it, what to do internally
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to do so, and to have them attract to you.
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But also we have an exclusive where Matt reveals that
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he is now channeling and has always been channeling, but
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has not publicly come out and said it before. And
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in today's episode we talk about that in depth. So
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let's dive in. I like to welcome back to the
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show returning champion, Matt conn.
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How you doing, brother, Thank you, It's an honor to
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be here. What an incredible setup you have.
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Thank you so much, my friend. I appreciate that it's
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been a long time coming. Man, long time coming.
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And I just wanted to start out by saying, because
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you know, I've known you for a little bit, and
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I just wanted to congratulate you on this incredible success.
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And whenever I get to tune in and watch you
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and and all these wonderful guests, it's such a beautiful
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level of connection, and I just I love everything you're doing,
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and so the chance to come back and spend time
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with you is truely an honor.
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Oh, I truly appreciate that and thank you so much. Well,
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I mean, you are a OG, sir, You are a
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OG of next level soul. You are episode sixteen. I
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think you. I think the first time we interviewed, I
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was in my film set of my old podcast because
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I hadn't even built a set for this show yet.
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And then our second interview we did, I was in
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my Airbnb in it almost looked like a closet, and
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I'm wondering what you're thinking at this boy. You're like
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this guy like he's in a closet. I don't understand
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what's going on.
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I don't know these things. I thought it was such
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We had some great, greank conversations, and I think, great
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guy but honestly, I didn't have any thoughts about those interviews.
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That's when I sat stepped into this set and I went, oh.
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No, it's funny. When you walked in, you were like
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you saw my office where like the computers are, like,
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so are we doing it in here? Are we being
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interviewed in here? Like is there a mic anywhere?
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Like?
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Are we I'm like, no, no, dude, we we got
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a little something on the.
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Other side of this is this is next level all
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this is next level certain time.
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Well, and congratulations to you. You just you're a newly.
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Wet if I'm not mistaken, correct, Yeah, I'm the lord
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of the ring. I married h you know, Joey and
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I got married on Saint Patrick's Day, which was a
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year to the date of the day we met.
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That's amazing.
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And we met at a conference, as you know, we're
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both speaking on stage. We never met each other, and
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we met by the end of the weekend. We both
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had promised each other in our next relationship when if
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that is, we're going to take it slower than ever.
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We promised each other silently. I promised myself this, and
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so I met her and then by the end of
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the weekend, I was in a committed relationship, which was
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the opposite of that declaration.
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Well, you know, a year later to get married pretty
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pretty quick, my friend, pretty quick. But you know, as
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you get older, though, you know, when you know man
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and and you guys are both connected a little bit
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to the to the to the sour city. Yeah, so
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you guys kind of felt that energy and you're like,
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why are we wasting time? You know what?
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Actually it's funny, and she tells this story so well.
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But when we met, we turned around. We met. Within
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a few minutes of talking, literally our energy fields connected
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and it was literally like the universe saying, by the way,
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you two are together, so you figure it out, You're welcome. Yeah,
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process a journal about it whenever you got to do
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pull cards. But you're together.
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So let me ask you this though. Have you guys
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been together in other lifetimes?
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Is the question I think we have. She has more
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of a sense of that. I have a familiarity with her.
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There's a felt sense of it. But I went through
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an experience, and I think this is maybe I went
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through an experience a couple of years ago, because you know,
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we've had different interactions over the years, and what's interesting
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is I go through so much growth and expansion as
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we all do, that every time I meet you, I
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feel like I'm meaning you, like as a new version
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of myself. Literally I meet myself brand new every single day.
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But I went through this experience many years ago of
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awakenings where you know, you remember your past lives and oh,
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I think I was this character and I remember this memory.
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And then I went through an experience a couple of
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years ago where it was and I think of levels
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of consciousness like floors in a building. So at one floor,
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I remember my past lives, some of them at least,
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and I process that, and I've been here before, and
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I know there is no death. Li'vee continues all these realizations,
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and then I had this experience of going to the
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next floor, and I suddenly realized that even the experience
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of my past lives was just a different dream. And
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I've now have this lived experience where the past lives
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I did remember, the wisdom has been integrated, the wounding
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has been healed, and I actually live as this as
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if this lifetime is my first and only lifetime, which
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then gave me an actual, real experience of what it
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means to be reborn, not like in a religious sense,
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but what that really means spiritually to be reborn and
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to literally be in this lifetime as if it's your
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first and only lifetime. And so when I met Joy,
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I had I'm in this place where all the all
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the sense of past or even past lifetimes is gone.
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But there was a familiarity I felt with her for sure.
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This there was this uh, I know you, where have
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you been? Where have you been?
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Where have you been? This I felt it with my wife.
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Is right, Yeah, I've been. I've been looking since I
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was fourteen years old. And you know, every person you know,
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are you?
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Are you? Are you the one?
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Are you?
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Oh? Yeah, we went through We went through a lot
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of frogs, as they say. Yeah. So it's interesting though,
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when you do meet people like that, and it doesn't
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have to be romantic, other people like that that. Just
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people are like, oh where have you been?
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Right?
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There's this an automatic connection, an automatic and energy. And
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there are people that when you meet them, you're like, oh,
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get away from me, get away from me. I don't
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know what we what we did in an our life,
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Just go away. There's one person I won't mention their name.
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so heavy. Like other people around me had no problem
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with her, yeah, but she was. I was like, I can't,
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I can't, I can't. She did nothing to me, nothing, no, no,
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no mean word has ever been spoken to me. Not
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an action has been done to me. Nothing, But there
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was something about the energy. I was just like, I
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got to no, no, do not want to hang out
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with her anymore.
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I can't.
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let me ask you, since we were talking about your
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your new found love, your long lost love, a lot
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of people watching are trying to find their divine connection,
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connect their their other half in this life. What advice
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do you have for people who are like we were searching.
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I mean, I was dirty and I found mine and
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that's it was a good, good amount of time. Sure,
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and you just recently found yours. Yeah, forty seven exactly.
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So it's different for everybody. Some people are lucky to
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find them in high school. Some people find them at
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eighty right, you know, which is upsetting.
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It's as you're going through the tunnel. Wow, come on.
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I'll see in the next one.
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just in just looking and looking and looking. I could
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tell you one thing, though.
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What would you say, Well, the thing I did is
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like I stopped looking. Yea, I stopped looking. I'll tell
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you exactly how it happened. I'd been single for three years,
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broke up with a bad relationship, and I was I
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did a walk about in Mexico. I went down there,
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went to the pyramids, and I did by myself. Yeah,
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early years ago, went down by myself and went to
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all the things. I just had like a walk about,
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a spiritual walk about, even though I didn't know what
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a spiritual walk about, but kind of a spiritual walk about.
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you know, God, it'd be kind of nice if I
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can find someone who I could love and could love
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me back. That was the order I placed. Three weeks later,
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she showed up. Three weeks later, she showed up, and
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we've been together ever since. I love that. So we'll
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be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
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now back to the show. I stopped looking. That was
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my because I was always like, hello, you are you, it,
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are you? It? Are you? It? And that energy I
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don't think, at least for me, it didn't work for
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trying to find that other person the moment I said
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I'm good on my own. It'd be nice if I
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could find that other half now, not like I need
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you to live more like you compliment the way and
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walking this, I need someone to walk with me next
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to me as a journey. Does that make sense?
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It does? I think that part of the confusion. And
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I have a couple of very specific piece of advice
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on this that I think are maybe not expected, but
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this it will be the truth of what I've lived out.
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I think that people think that either looking for your
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beloved is going to be what causes you to find them,
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to cast someone into the role they're not meant to play, right,
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your beloved, and you know, we can see all the
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sitcoms that are created out of that. So I think
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there's an idea that looking for my beloved is going
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to help me stack the deck. But then the other
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spiritual superstition is looking is what's blocking me. What I
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would say is that neither looking is blocking or helping you.
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the moment arrives. So you had an intuition that said
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I'm going to meet my wife soon, and so you
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process that intuition by declaring I'd like to meet that one,
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and then three weeks later she entered your life. So
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for me, I look at that, and it's very similar
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with law of attraction. There are some people who think
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they're creating at a thin air, and actually what they're
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doing is they're intuiting that it's near, and then their
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declaration that I'm going to create it or that it's
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here is actually the acceptance of I accept this as
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coming near, and I'm willing to choose that timeline. So
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I had been looking for my beloved since I was,
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you know, like fourteen years old, and I had heard
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so many times from people, oh, don't look for the one,
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so I would not look for the one as a
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way of trying to stack the deck to bring the
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one to me. So one eyes closed, not looking for
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the one, one eye open, making sure I don't miss her,
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relationships and they were all wonderful and preparing me for
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the kind of relationship I wasn't meant to be in.
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I thought, you know, if it's not going to be
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the kind of relationship that I've always thought I was
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meant to have. I'm okay alone. I'm successful, I'm good alone,
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I cook incredibly, I live a very beautiful life. I
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serve the world, and that's my one of my greatest passions.
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the humanity be my beloved until or if it was
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meant to happen. And when it was getting closer to
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well as I was, I was kind of out of
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my last really relationship before Joy and I met, what
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I decided to do. So there's two things that happen.
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going to live like a single married man a single husband.
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my reality yet, but I'm not going to even go
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on a date with a woman unless I have a
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sense that she could actually be the one, or else
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I'm going to treat a woman in a way that
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isn't the role she's meant to play. And I felt
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like like I would be cheating on my wife. And
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at first I was like, that's either super romantic or
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I'm doubling down on my weird, insane stuff. But it
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felt really true of I don't want to call play
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a relationship. I don't want to role play this. I
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want to actually either be in the relationship I'm meant
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to be in or not at all. So I would
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meet people and there'd be interest, and I would know
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this would be an exploration, but this is not the
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one for me, and so I wouldn't even engage in
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a first date because I would only go on a
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first date with someone I actually thought could be my wife.
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or so years ago, so yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
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really serious, and that for me gave me a sense
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of closure. And another thing is when when it got
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close to meeting Joy and I didn't know this. I
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was taken through an experience with my guides and they
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kind of explained to me something really interesting. And they
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had said, you know, everyone thinks birth is followed by death,
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and that's why everyone's afraid of death. It's the unknown.
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of being in the womb as one is born. There's
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the death of the death of being the seed before
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you blossom the flower. So death actually occurs.
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a lot that I've learned from her, but she would
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say that, you know, it's a true thing that death
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occurs in order for birth to dawn. And so my
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guides had said to me, you're going to meet your beloved,
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but there's going to be a time where those who
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come together are separated, whether by death. And my guide
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said to me, Melchisedek said, even if you hold hands
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and walk into the gates of heaven together, there's going
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to be a moment somewhere where you go your separate ways.
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the death of my wife as a way of opening
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up to being able to receive her in a way
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where I wouldn't give my power away to the relationship.
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of losing something, or that I'd be a people pleaser,
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or that I'd figure out what can I do to
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keep her all the things that we do when our
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ego gets involved. And so I was taken through this
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really incredible experience of in order to be the version
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of myself that she's welcoming into her reality, and in
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order to welcome in the version of her that I'm
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welcoming in, I have to allow that she and I
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that haven't even come to be, to perish. And I
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processed the death of her, and for me it was
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the death of not only us, but I had been
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looking for my wife for so many years. I also processed,
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this may not be what's meant to be for me.
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wife that in order for me to meet her in reality,
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I have to let the fantasy die. I have to
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stop keeping myself company with visions of me and my wife,
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and I had to let the fantasy die. And so
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I went through this very deep experience of letting the
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fantasy and whatever will be in reality to die and
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to go through that, and on the other end of that,
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I became a very different version of myself, who at
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that point was so whole and was so embodied. And
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had to go to the breakfast thing, you know, and
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meet all the other speakers whatever, which and I remember
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I was in such a funny place when I went
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into that breakfast. I was just like in my mind, like,
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I hope no one bats their eyes at me. I
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am so not in this place, and you know, I'm
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done and I'm complete, and you know, all the big declarations.
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a few minutes our energy fields just clicked and we
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sat down at the same table. We were both joking
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that this you know, pre speaker thing felt like traffic
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school and what is this? And by the end of
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that breakfast, we found ourselves just in this you know, Wow,
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this connection is instantaneous on every level, not just like
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the spiritual connection like I think we're supposed to be together,
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but you know, the attraction and everything. And then she
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was speaking that weekend, I was speaking that weekend, and
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that weekend we spent getting to know each other, and
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by the end of the weekend we were in a
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committed relationship because we had both said that we both
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didn't want to explore it unless this was fully committed
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journey together and if I felt that this actually could
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be my wife.
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I don't casually date, I don't do any of that stuff.
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I want to get to know her and I want
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to focus on that, and I want to see what
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this is. And she was of the same mindset, and
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so we got into a relationship. We traveled back and
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forth from Arizona to Seattle a few times. She moved
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in months later, and on the year anniversary of the
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day we met, we were married. And it's been the
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greatest relationship that I've ever known. But and I'm sure
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she'd probably say the same hope, you know, I'm sure
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she was saying exception, Alex. I'm sure she would say
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the same thing, Alex, Wait, wait, let me muscle testing. Yepy,
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she would she would say that. But I hope, so,
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I hope so if not, this is a really bad
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success at a sequel. If not, this is gonna be
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next level soul when spirituality needs six needs delusion.
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So, but it is the best relationship I've ever been in,
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and it's because of the journey that I went through
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to become the version of myself that we were both
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meant to be together. She had a similar experience of
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I'm only going to take seriously a man I think
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is my husband. So we were both living as single
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married people. And the reason I think that's incredible advice
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is thank you is because when you like, if you're
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a single person and you're just dating, well, let me
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then back up and say this, there's a way that
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the soul connects, and there's a way that ego engages.
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the soul connects, the soul says, I don't lean in
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unless it's a yes on every level. The ego says,
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I lean in as if it's a yes and hope
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for the best when I'm not sure. So what the
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ego doesn't know is the phrase I don't know. If
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you hear it, you hear no, you don't hear I
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don't yes, so the ego says, well, but we don't
404
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want to just judge the person. We don't want to who.
405
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Knows, sure she works in the mafia. Who knows? I
406
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mean she's I could change her right.
407
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:21.880
Sure, they're sure they're holding a butcher knife.
408
00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.000
But I mean, yeah, over your neck while you sleep, Yeah,
409
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I mean it's I'm sure it's.
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Everyone has a tick. Everyone, Everyone has the thing they do.
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You know what, that's how they stay safe. And that's
412
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another thing though that you know, we're joking about it.
413
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But the rationalization of the other person. And man, I
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don't know if you went through that, but you start rationalizing,
415
00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.880
you like the fear comes in, like I'm afraid of
416
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being alone. It's just a butcher knife. I'm sure that you,
417
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you know, to the money out of my account for
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a good reason, whatever that is. And it could be
419
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here or her, everybody please on both sides. But that
420
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.400
rationalization is powerful and gets people into a lot of trouble.
421
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Got me into trouble. I think it probably got you
422
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into trouble. Early on, we all rationalized because we were
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their fear of being alone, fear of being rejected, fear
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of every all the fears start coming in and in
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your ego it's like, well, this is't that course, you know,
426
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and all this kind of stuff is something that we
427
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:35.000
really need to keep an eye on when you're walking in.
428
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.359
Like when I walked in to my relationship with my wife,
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it was it was soul level. There's no question. Before
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I even understood what that was, we just knew it.
431
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We both knew it. She couldn't wrap her head around me.
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I was We're so opposite, so she couldn't wrap her
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head around me. Because one moment, I am like Robin
434
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Williams bouncing off the walls our first date. I just
435
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and she's like, what is happening? I like him? But Jesus.
436
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The next one, I'm sitting in a bookstore with her
437
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talking deep things and she's like, who is this guy?
438
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Couldn't grasp it. But I walked into it just I
439
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just knew. And that's I think when you know, when
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you have that inclination. I just didn't care anymore. I'm like,
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I'm going to be me, right, you know, I'm going
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to be me and it's gonna be what it's going
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to be.
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Well, I think that's how Joy and I were, you know,
445
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I man, know, we were we we just were ourselves
446
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and we're both very transparent people, so there wasn't you
447
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know it was. It was more a conversation of I
448
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.920
really like you, how do you feel about me? And
449
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it was so refreshing, right, because that's how that's how
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we both thought. We're both very honest people.
451
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And you didn't wait two days to call her back.
452
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That's a room, man, that's a dude rule. Two days
453
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if you want to really make her wait five days
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because that's smart.
455
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Yeah, with a fifty divorce rate.
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Right. So that those are the rules, the guys, those
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are the rules. Are the rules if you want a fiorce. Right,
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we're not even getting off the not even getting out
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of the gate.
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Here's the thing about my rules, which are made up.
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But if I if I like when Joanna went on
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a date and we parted, I texted her yeah two
463
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minutes later to say, I had a great time. Please
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let me know when you get home. I'd love to
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see you again. Right immediately, old school immediately school love immediately.
466
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Like if someone here's here's a dating rule. If they
467
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can't handle your inner sixth grader, let your inner sixth
468
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resent of text I like you. That was I had
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a great time.
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Do I have to hit you with a magazine to
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get your attention right?
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Exactly?
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To make me act weird?
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And we can act weird, but so you know, so
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we both lived as single married people. We both and
476
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so that's the thing. The ego says, if I'm not sure,
477
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I'm going to keep saying yes and create a relationship
478
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with someone that I haven't really gotten a solid yes around.
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I'm afraid of missing out. I'm afraid of being alone,
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and so we cast people in the wrong roles and
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that's when you get down into a relationship and one
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day you wake up and you go, I just can't
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do it, or you know, all these different things and
484
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you wind up hurting people. And so for me, I
485
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.279
just didn't want to follow that energy again. The soul says,
486
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until I get a yes, I don't lean out of friendship.
487
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Like if someone goes, oh, I'm feeling this connection with you,
488
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well I'm not sure what I'm feeling or so far
489
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it's just a friendship. That's the soul and its confidence.
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The ego says, well, I'm looking for a partner, a
491
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sign that this is clearly got.
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The sign, there's a sign or spirit told me or
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this kind of thing. But it's using the ego, it's
494
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using terminology to make you because you don't feel that.
495
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You're thinking that, yeah, self fulfilling prophecy.
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It's thinking, you're not feeling it. And there is a
497
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there's a distinguation, distinguation. I can say the word distinguished
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between those two things. Thank you that the mental and
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the feeling. And boy, I lived up here most of
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my time.
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Well, and you know when you go from you know
502
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when when when people go from identifying with critical thinking
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as their motive motive function most of their life, and
504
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then you take in spiritual concepts and it goes from
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critical thinking to spiritually critical thinking. Then the critical thinking
506
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mind is the one that thinks it's observing all the signs,
507
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but it's actually piecing together a self fulfilling prophecy.
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That's a scary thing. That's a scary spiritual what was it? Spiritual?
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The spiritual critical thinking?
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Thank you, spiritual critical thinking.
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It's called it's also called magical thinking.
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Magical thinking.
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And what's interesting, And you know, Joy and I both
514
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are intuitive. We both channel you.
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Guys, and you guys have the you could easily fall
516
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.079
into that world so quickly we we could.
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But what's interesting is that it is so easy for
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and again, the ego doesn't do it to hurt anyone.
519
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.039
The ego is trying to be a helper. So it goes,
520
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.039
you're so into spirituality, and you've convinced me that you're
521
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on some sort of mysterious Easter egg hunt. So I'm
522
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going to help you find the eggs, even though I'm
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going to invent them. And it's then we train our
524
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egos to be these searchers and seekers of spiritual signs.
525
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It's different when it's a sign. Like when it's a sign,
526
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.319
it's so obvious you don't even know what to do
527
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.119
with yourself. It's so just like like your mind goes blank.
528
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There are signs in the universe. But then there are
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the signs that we are kind of piecing together, Like
530
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you know, oh, I turn on the car radio and
531
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:21.400
there's a song on the radio.
532
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.519
Well, obviously, I mean obviously.
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And if it's Mariah Carey, w.
534
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Is Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celein beyond.
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Right and well Brian Adams, but Brian Adams back in
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the day, Brian Adams everything I do, I do for you.
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He is an archangel, sir, Yes, so, and I had
538
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been someone early in my career where I had gotten
539
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I had understood signs, and I started to know the
540
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difference between the universe bringing me a sign and then
541
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looking for signs as a way of trying to keep myself.
542
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So I so even in spirituality, we can use fantasy
543
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.039
you keep ourselves company as we process the loneliness of
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our own separation from Source. Right, and so I had
545
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:13.240
gotten so whole in myself even after years and years
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of awakening.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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And now back to the show.
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And when Joy and I met, I always say, you know,
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we met, obviously we fell in love, But when we
551
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.119
fell in love, we didn't just fall in love with
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each other physically and emotionally mentally, We fell in love
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with each other's connection and devotion to Source. When we met,
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we showed each other our devotion to God. And that's
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when two people attracted to one another became husband and
556
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wife in the first ten minutes of meeting. And that's
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now our life absolutely beautiful.
558
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.000
I hope that helps a couple people out there, because
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I wish I would have heard this conversation in my
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twenties or thirties, right, you know, yeah, honestly, well, it's
561
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.720
it's power. It's powerful stuff, and so many people are looking.
562
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.680
I'd love that. I'd love the idea that this this
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spiritual critical thinking, yes, and that the egos use the
564
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spiritual concepts. And you're like, well, you know, I did
565
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.640
everything I was supposed to do. I burned the sage.
566
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.680
You know, I'm wearing the right crystals. I don't really
567
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.039
understand why, you know, you know, the psychic at the
568
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.240
carnival said, I can do like I'm supposed to have
569
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he's coming or she's coming, and I'm supposed to have
570
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.000
three kids with them, like that kind of stuff. But
571
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when you meet the real one, I think you and
572
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.480
I are both lucky enough to have met that person.
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It is so different. It feels so different then everything
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else you've experienced prior to that. And even if you
575
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.799
can't articulate what it is like when I first saw her,
576
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.400
because we were hooked up. My mom hooked us up.
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My mom set us up, which is a miracle in itself.
578
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She was trying to get me married off. And when
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we when I saw her coming out of her house.
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I there was just just I've seen her. I saw
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pictures of her. We spoke on the phone just before FaceTime,
582
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and I just I just like, oh, well, there you are.
583
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And as the conversations kept going, I was like, oh, okay,
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don't get me wrong. I was still terrified. I was
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00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.240
still terrified. I was terrified, but not that much, not
586
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.519
enough to screw things up. But in the back of
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my head like, don't get hurt. Oh my god, this
588
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and that. But that's natural, especially when you're younger. But
589
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when I saw her, I just like, oh, there you are.
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And as we started talking more and more, you know,
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we went on our first date the next day. We
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went on our a date a few days may, a
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third day. It was just like boom, boom boom. And
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within a few months you moved in and we were
595
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off and running. It was it was. It was scary,
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00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.199
but I just like, oh, it's okay, it's good. It's
597
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.519
just the way it's supposed to be. And I was
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00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.559
not next level souling. I was was not I you know,
599
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.599
I think I might have started reading Autobiography of a
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00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.400
Yoga at that point. I had not gotten through it
601
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yet because it was too woo woo for me at
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that time. So it was not like I had all
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00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.280
this stuff in me. I just knew sure. And that's
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00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.159
something you can't articulate with the ego.
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You just can't no, you can't well. And so I
606
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.079
think the advice, you know, is, if there's any part
607
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of you that's when you're meeting someone that says I
608
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don't know, that means do not move past a friendship
609
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or an acquaintance ship until it's a yes. So we
610
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.039
don't lean into a yes until it's a yes. I
611
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.559
don't know means right now I don't know means no,
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and it could change, of course, but I I don't
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00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.639
know is the same as a no. That's the best device.
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The other thing that I think is interesting is that
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people get caught up in their critical thinking mind right,
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which what the way I would describe the ego is
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a tendency to lean on critical thinking as your mind's
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mode of operation, right and spiritual wal it's very common
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to say, oh, the mind's the problem. The mind's not
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the problem. The mind is a genius creation. Right. If
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you have a high performance vehicle, but you only know
622
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.519
how to drive it in certain modes, you're not going
623
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to get the most out of it. So in the
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same way, the mind is incredible, but when you're only
625
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using critical thinking, you're using a very small band with
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right and so I think, instead of trying to go,
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how do I know this is the one? The one
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can't be denied? Yes, So if you're not sure, I
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break it up with them, I say jokingly. At the
630
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same time, what Joy and I have. Neither of us
631
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could deny. We even both walked away going Okay, this
632
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is this is really, this is much. This is much.
633
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.719
We're in Sedona. It's probably the vortex whatever. Maybe it's
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the salary juice I promise myself i'd never buy. Maybe
635
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it's a combination of things. And we both tried to
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rationalize our way out of this. But the one can't
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be denied.
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That's such a beautiful in your Absolutely yes, I should
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be a T shirt. The one cannot be denied. Absolutely true,
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because when you're when you do meet them, it's just
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it's just there's this poll, there's magnetic thing, but you
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have and you're just like, oh, you're my person, that's right,
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Oh you're you're my person.
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Yeah.
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Period, you're my person. Got it, that's right, got it. Now,
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it's not gonna be smooth sail in the entire Now,
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we're human beings. We all have our baggage, we all
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have our stuff. Sure, but when you're with them, it
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just it's like this, It runs like this a little
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bit as opposed to Rocky, at least from my experience.
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I've been on both.
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Versions absolutely well. And I think, you know, the ego
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will say, who do I desire? Right, That's that's the framework,
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who do I desire? But I think the deeper question
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is who do I desire growing with? Yeah, Joy and
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I desire growing with each other. You and your wife
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desire growing with each other. So what Joy and I
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go through in our lives. I mean, I have never
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won children, I have never had children. She has two
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grown children. I'm now a stepfather, I'm a step grandfather.
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I'm the dad to a puppy, a cat, and a dog.
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And I went from being this guy who was like,
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you know, I don't think.
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Being wolf wolf wolf baby.
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You're right, I'm gonna dedicate my self to my service
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to the world, my you know, help other people with
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their lives in that way. And I had this list
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of here's what I won't do. She destroyed that because
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the one can't be denied. And now I'm stepfather. I
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love the role I'm playing. The children I have you know,
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they're grown, they're adults, but we have a great relationship.
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And I'm I'm finding myself growing in a level of
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embodiment that is such an interesting integration of my entire
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journey of awakenings and and you know, of waking up
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and growing up and all these course corrective experiences. And
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on paper, I would have said nope, nope, nope, no,
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but the one can't be denied.
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Listen, so I promise you. If my list was on
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the on the table and my wife was looking at
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it before meeting me, she's like, oh, absolutely, he has
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a life size Yoda. What's a Yoda?
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Yeah, what's data?
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Which is a true story, by the way.
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Yeah.
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She called her Jodah for a while, Yodah Yodah because
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she had noice like old lady sitting in the corner,
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I swear to got And she was talking to a
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friend of hers and her friends like you will refer
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to him as Master Yoda, and she's.
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Like you too.
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You two to you all together, you geek say oh yeah,
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oh yeah, this long story so on paper, didn't I
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didn't definitely make sense in her world. There's no question
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film filmmaker doesn't have a steady job, goes from job
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to job, money comes in and out.
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Wanting no, no way, no way.
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But the one right cannot be doing.
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So if people are going on dates and trying to
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piece meal relationships together and trying to make it work.
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And then the other thing is if you're too busy
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being in relationship with people's potential and not being aware
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of the reality. And here's here's what I did in
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my past. I'll be honest about this, which is a
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funny phrase, be honest as if I've been lying the
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whole time.
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Exactly right.
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But so I'm now going to find with the hounumoy
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if we get to talk for a sea. But you know,
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I would be in relationship with the potential of someone.
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And what I didn't realize my personal life, because somebody's
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in your personal life. The things you learn are different
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than what you're teaching on stage. Took me a second,
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and what I realized was not only am I in
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relationship with the potential that this person is not ready
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to step into being what potential I am actually seeing
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them is the reflection of my potential.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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I'm actually confusing my light for their reality, and then
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I get into a relationship with them, and then all
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of a sudden, the person I thought I knew changes over.
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And it's when life says, actually, we're just introducing you
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to the person you confused with the light you see
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in their presence. And so it's amazing is that when
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we let I don't know, be a no and only
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yes as yes, it's easier to feel the oh yeah,
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or this is the person I meant to be with.
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And I had got into a place where I was
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not sure I was actually ever going to be in
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a relationship. So even though joy and I have met
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and we're both each others one, she stepped into the
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one who was going to be the best version of
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her in a relationship it was meant to be. I
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stepped into the one I was meant to be whether
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the marriage was going to happen or I was going
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to even meet her. The real one that both of
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us met were within ourselves. So I stepped into being
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the soulmate. Whether or not my beloved counterpart was meant
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to show open this lifetime. She did the same thing
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that brought us together, but we were also very detached
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and settled on whether I meet that person or not.
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Stepping into my fullest potential was might just be exactly
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the love that this lifetime has for me. And I
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got into a full acceptance of that and very clear,
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and now our relationship is that we get to receive
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the love of the other person from these full versions
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of ourselves. So I think that you know, when we're
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looking for our beloved, it's one thing to kind of
749
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be less than or insufficient and lonely and then expect
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another person's going to change how you feel. But if
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we take the real spiritual journey, the alchemy journey of
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becoming our highest self and form, that doesn't necessarily mean
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the next day you're going to meet that person, right.
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It means whether you're meant to meet the person or not,
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the oneness of love that you want to be in
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union with will be within you either way.
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Couldn't have put it better myself, sir. Where can people
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find out more about you? And the amazing work you're
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doing in the world.
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Well, well, thank you. By the way, my website's matt
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con dot org m A T t k a h
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N dot org. If you sign up for the free
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newsletter we send out, we also send you a link
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to our free documentary that was created. It's it's a
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documentary that you literally experience healing while you watch it.
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And I think actually the u r L for that
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is matt con dot org slash love And it's a
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free documentary that we created as a gift for the world.
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And you know, you can check out out the upcoming
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events that I'm doing, my wife and I are doing
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together and and really, you know, this is just it's
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time for the world to reac and act as one.
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And whether we're spiritual beings not spiritual beings, however we
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identify ourselves to be, we're all included. We all have
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a vital role in this ascension and we literally need
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the light and the power of every individual to help
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this world evolve.
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And so.
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It's incredible when you know, the spiritual community used to
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be these like little fringe groups, but the most intentional
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spiritual community is Earth because we're all spirit and so
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it's a beautiful thing to start, even just watching the
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beginning stages of this intentional community remember itself.
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And if I can end on this or can we
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make hashtag sniff chef sniff chef.
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Yes, yeah, I'm one of those sniffer chefs. That's how
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I feel when I say channel, I'm one of those channels.
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I'm one of those channels. Sniff channels, sniff channel, hashtag
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sniff channel. It's a thing.
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Let's make it a thing, everybody.
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It's a thing.
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Now, Brother, you're like a brother from another mother. I
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appreciate you so much for coming man, I appreciate you
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how much love. I want to thank Matt so much
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for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and
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wisdom with all of us. If you want to get
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links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head
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over to the show notes at next levelsoul dot com
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forward slash four five zero. Now, if this conversation stirred
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something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to
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TV thank you so much for listening. As I always say,
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trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see
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you next time.