Alignment, Self-Trust, and Money with Catherine Christy- Ep. 304

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How's it going, everybody?
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Um, I am here with my good friend and colleague, Dr.
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Catherine Christie.
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You can find her over on um Substack.
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You've been showing up on Substack a lot lately, like me.
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I really love uh that platform.
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But you know what?
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I I really wanted you on because I wanted to talk about you and I have been working together now for it's been over a year, and we've been we started working you know pretty closely together.
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You're doing some coaching inside of my program.
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I've learned an awful lot from you.
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And one of the things that I have noticed about you is that everything you seem to touch in the realm of money and career, so I want to focus on this first, seems to, I know, seems to turn to gold, right?
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You seem to be one of these people, and I've known a couple people like this, not many, that whenever you touch something in the realm of business, it seems to just sort of take off.
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I've watched you sort of, uh I didn't know you then, but I saw you do this with your brick and mortar business.
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I saw you do this with, you know, sort of an Airbnb that you turned around sort of really quick.
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And now I'm seeing you do it sort of with this coaching work.
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And so I just really wanted, Kathy, people to get a sense of what type of human, how they think, feel, choose, act when they're manifesting things.
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And of course, I'll set this up to not put you on the spot.
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You're human.
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We all have our things that we're good at and things that we're not good at, right?
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But I want to first focus on, I think, and you might disagree with me, but you're just one of these people that seems to have kind of a magic uh sort of process around career, finance, money.
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Now, I don't know if you see yourself that way, but I kind of see you that way.
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So I just kind of want to hear a little bit about your story and oh, how you see this.
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Do you agree with that?
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How how do you see um how you do what you do?
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Well, I definitely appreciate hearing your lens on me.
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So kind of you.
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Uh, I would say that my lens has definitely really been shaped a lot uh in the last decade to two decades on what feels aligned for me.
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And I've really honed in on for me what alignment feels like.
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And so when I decide to move forward with something, I know that feeling of alignment for me.
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And I have this level, I've built this along my own personal growth journey, but this level of self-trust with myself and how I want to be authentic and what feels aligned for me.
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So I feel like that kind of has guided me when I make decisions and choices about things in my life.
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Okay.
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This is what I was hoping you were gonna say.
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I didn't know how how, you know, you and I, you know, we talk and we text back and forth, but I didn't, I was hoping you'd go there because this is this actually is how I see it and what I want to talk to you about.
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And and here's the interesting thing about this.
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Uh, let's just me and you be honest.
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I think when most people hear this, maybe you disagree with me, but I hear when most people hear alignment, it feels to them because they're used to like reading books about tiny habits, and they're used to like, you know, um listen to, you know, these highfalutin podcasts on, you know, um neuroscience and all this science-y-based stuff, you know, tiny habits, habits, behaviors, you know, all this kind of stuff.
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And then we turn around and go, alignment, right?
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And this is part of the thing that um I have a lot to say on this as well, but this is part of the thing that I think most people in self-development don't quite understand.
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It's sort of like a soft science or not talked about, but I have certainly come around to going, I could tell my patients and my clients all of the things to do, and they don't do it.
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And research shows that 80 to 90 percent failure rates, depending on the domain you're talking about.
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If we're talking about relationships, 60% people fail to get better relationships when they want to.
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If we're talking about weight loss, it's like 90 plus percent.
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If we're talking about finance, it's like 80%.
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Obviously, tiny habits and biohacks and all the things are not working for most of the people most of the time.
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So now all of a sudden we have Kathy saying, well, part of it is alignment.
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I want to know what exactly that means and how does someone get in alignment?
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And I want to see for you and I to sort of see if we can play with this concept to help people understand what that actually might mean.
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What does it even mean when you know Kathy's in alignment?
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And and then let's talk about how you get in alignment.
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That's a very good question, Jade, because it's some of it for me is I just know.
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And I can't explain that piece of it.
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I just know.
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Um, but I do think the umbrella to that is this level of trust that I have within myself.
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Um, trust within myself and trust that I'm going to be guided to where I need to be in life.
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You know, when you talk about we're all playing the human game, you know, your words, we're we're playing the human game.
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I have this level of trust that as things happen in my life, and it's not like, it's not like I'm playing the board game of life and I'm landing on all the good spots, like all these amazing things.
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I'm landing on tough situations in life too.
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And it's going through the process of the good and the the perhaps less than ideal, that I'm amplifying uh my level of trust in myself and trust that I'm headed in the right direction in life.
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Okay, so that that I think is the first step.
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And I just I like to go backwards, right?
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Because I say, let's talk about alignment.
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You bring up self-trust, and then I go, okay, so if I'm hearing you correctly, it's like, well, I trust the direction somehow, and then that direction I get aligned with.
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And I'm and what I want to know is, and this is how me and you both do this, right?
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So, like, you know, Kathy and I work together as coaches, and we use very similar uh methods.
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Um, and so for me, I go, self-trust, surely along the way, right?
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Somewhere along the way, you didn't always feel self-trust, or did you, right?
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And and so I want to know, I go back and go, have you always felt self-trust?
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And if not, what happened or what were the happenings that seem to have gotten you um to that?
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And I'll I'll just add an addendum to that to help with the conversation.
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From my perspective, the way I look at it is that there's this level, people talk about competence and confidence, right?
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And you hear this a lot in the coaching world the competence, confidence loop.
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You you you you learn something, you gain some confidence, you have some success, you gain some confidence, which then gives you more confidence, you fail, you figure some things out, you get some competence and confidence, you get this spiral loop up.
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I am wondering, is that how you see it, or did self-trust come another way?
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Have you know, you've just always been, look, I've just always intuitively understood the direction I need to go, or has it been like, well, I got my ass beat in certain ways and figured some things out that then helped?
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I'm just curious in terms of your story.
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I'm gonna answer D, all of the above, because yes, I have been handed some life lessons for sure.
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And overcoming those has in fact increased my confidence in my competence.
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Um, but also there has been aspects of my journey that, like I said, I can't explain it, just feels right.
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It's just this feeling of that is right.
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Uh so different career paths I've taken, it's been this just feels right.
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Um, as I've grown my skills in those career paths, um, I've been handed lessons.
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And from overcoming those, I've built, like you said, the confidence-confidence loop to build some of that self-trust as well.
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But it's it's interesting.
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Early on in my career in in one of my brick and mortar, I had a client, very intuitive client, and I was um working with her, and she and she said to me, she, she said, um, you're you've been given a gift, and you don't know yet just the extent of the gift you've been given, but you will.
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And she was she was right.
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Like as I've gone through my career, I reflect back on her words, and I'm like, she was absolutely right.
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Um, I definitely believe I was given a gift to serve and help people uh in in my little corner of the world, which looks a lot like healing and growth.
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And I've um developed my trust in that, um, which has definitely guided the choices I've made.
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And I it I feel so much um satisfaction, happiness, like being in the career path that I am.
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I just it it just feels right for me.
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And I am grateful that I get to do what I do every day.
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And and um going into your program, into the next level human program, which has been, if you can believe this, Jade, like almost two years ago now.
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I started your program.
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And that's right.
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I I was thinking we surely we know each other longer than here.
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And it absolutely enhanced my knowledge.
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And I would say, as we explored your concepts on identity and on belief and on stories and on misguided unconscious decisions and on perception, it has beautifully enhanced the work that I'm doing, not just in my personal life, but in my professional life too.
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And to kind of give you a couple examples of that, like for example, professionally, I can have two different people with the same situation, but completely different experiences with it based on how they see it, what they believe about it, and how they respond to it.
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And, you know, healing and growth, as you know, is not a one size fits all approach.
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So how somebody sees themselves, what they believe, and how they respond moment to moment affects everything that happens thereafter.
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And that's what I think is so beautiful about the work that you're doing, about the, you know, the human architect program.
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We get the opportunity to be a part of somebody's journey in such a beautiful way.
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And like personally, when I started with you two years ago, it was with a very professional intention.
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I wanted to expand my skill set, deepen how I worked with people.
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And little did I know, roughly three to four months into that program, two years ago, I, you know, had a very personal death very close to me.
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And it was such a profound level of grief that I've never experienced before, never experienced before.
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And so the theories and the skills and the techniques you were teaching us shifted from theory for me into a very personal lived experience.
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So I was able to see through that, applying your techniques in the field deal heel process, I was able to see ex just how beautifully they work.
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And I would say it completely changed my life.
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You talk about the four jobs, you know, our job in our health, our job in our relationships, our job in our career finance, our job in our personal development or our purpose or our passion.
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And I would say going through, you know, being a part of Next Level Human for the last couple of years has just so beautifully expanded my lens in all of those areas, in all of those areas.
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So I'm just very grateful for the work that you do, the time and the dedication.
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And I'm gonna plug you for a minute.
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I know you didn't, and I'm gonna say Jade didn't ask me to do this.
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So I'm doing this because I have been so impacted by his program that I want to share this.
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But Jade, he is a very um generous, very kind, uh, very supportive next level human being.
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And when you go through his program, you get to experience those aspects of him.
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And it's like I'm just so grateful that I've been able, and your sister Jody is so amazing too.
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I've been, I'm just so grateful that I I get I've gotten the opportunity to be a part of the next level human family and and be along for the ride and this this impact we're that you're trying to make in the world.
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So thank you so much, Chase.
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Yeah, and you know, well, you know what?
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Thank you so much because I feel equally grateful um for having you as a peer and a colleague and having individuals like you come into this program.
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And now Kathy has essentially, she actually comes to me now and has helped with tweaking some of the sales process and has a lot to do with helping some of the new people who come in.
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And it's really interesting, right?
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Because I I wanna I want to say two things uh that I noticed.
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One thing I just want to point out to everybody um on this topic.
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There's, you know, we started with alignment, then we went to trust, and then you started talking about belief, which is is I think really critical because what then comes after that is story.
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And I want to get to that in terms of your story.
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Like you said, something along the lines of I just simply believe something that then reinforces the way I uh interact with the world.
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And then you mentioned, and this is the part that I think is really hard for people, right?
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Because what happens is we might think we have a belief, but then we get hit with really hard stuff, right?
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So here you are coming into a program like this, having all your skill sets and having a great deal of success anyway, you know, in your own right, coming into this with, you know, sort of this belief structure, but then, you know, doing some of this work, and then something um happens that would be a setback, you know, setback for most people.
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But you talk about this, and I'm and I want to see, because I think when we hear these stories, we skip past the potential um belief structure that was there or the stories you had to tell yourself to get through these difficult times.
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So then you go through this thing, and you're talking about this idea, and this then I applied many of the things I already knew and some of the things that I bring forward, you know, sort of in this work.
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And, you know, obviously, these kind of things that we go through as humans, like to be human is to suffer, and we have difficulty.
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But, and I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna be sensitive here just for other people listening, because I know you get it, but sometimes that suffering can be the greatest source of understanding and meaning.
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Sometimes our greatest pains can um be deeply purposeful, or sometimes as coaches, and this is one of the things we do in the next level human work, we simply go through things so that we can understand at a deeper level what other people are going through and relate um, you know, uh to them.
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So, all of that to kind of say, as I listen to you as somebody who, you know, I go, you just seem to have the ability to touch certain things, especially in the realm of finance and business, and just make magic happen.
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But now, as I'm listening to you, it's like, oh, this is really interesting because if you look at the thread of you, there's a tremendous amount of gratitude, a tremendous amount of I went through an incredibly difficult time.
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But I also have this belief that this is what I'm meant to do.
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I'm lucky to do it.
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And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but is it it almost as is as if you see the world as these things that you're going through as fuel for teaching or fuel for insight or ways to give back.
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And I just want to hear that perspective.
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Am I wrong in that?
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Am I missing something?
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You know, how do you see it?
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Because I don't know how you go through what you went through and um you know, make it through so generously and beautifully and happily.
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And, you know, a lot of people don't.
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A lot of people come out of that and they become the villain, the hurt person who hurts people, or the victim, the hurt person who continues to hurt themselves by reliving it.
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You just seem to not, you know, play those games.
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Well, I would say to kind of back up to when you first started the next level human program, uh, opened it up for people to learn your techniques.
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I remember doing that that call with you, because you were doing calls with us, um, deciding who you were gonna let into the program, and you were only letting in about 10 to 12 people at that time into the program.
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So you were in in essence interviewing all of us.
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And I so to to kind of explain, like I just had this feeling when I saw your email inviting us to this program.
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I had this feeling of like, yes, yes.
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And then I spoke with you uh over video, over Zoom, and there was no question for me.
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Uh, I was like, yep, this feels so aligned for me.
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This feels so aligned, like the right path.
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I don't know exactly how I built that level of self-trust within myself, except to say that on some levels, it was there from childhood.
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And I don't know exactly how the belief that I could do anything I want to do.
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Like I can do anything I want.
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I don't know where that came from.
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It just that has been a little bit of a level of belief for me that if I want something, I can do it, I can accomplish it.
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You know, I just have to figure out how.
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Um, so that level was it within me of that.
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And then of course, through my career and personal life, during going through different experiences, good highs, lows, indifferent.
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I developed more trust with myself and more like, okay, everything that's happening within my life, if I reflect back at the time, it might not, some situations might not feel the best at the time.
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But once I get past it, I can reflect back and be like, okay, if I didn't go through that, I wouldn't have gotten here.
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If I didn't go through that, I wouldn't have gotten have gotten there.
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So it's like it's leading me into all these different paths.
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And so when I heard about your program, when I saw your email a couple of years ago, uh, I just knew something pinged me.
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And I just knew like this, this is a path I need to go.
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And so we got on the call and I was like, yep.
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And I, you know, I enrolled on like right away, I think I enrolled.
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And um I can reflect back on what happened to me that first year with that death.
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And it makes sense that, like, okay, the timing of this, your I had I had a belief and a trust in what you were telling us.
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Like I trusted what you were telling us.
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These skills, these techniques are gonna help you feel deal, heal.
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And I believed that.
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So I just was implementing them and I was doing the work.
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And you know, it's in the process of me going through that, feel deal, heal that year.
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Um, going through that allowed me to experience it.
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Like I said, experience it and know, like, okay, this works, but it it started with the trust.
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Like you ex the way you taught us things, it made sense to me.
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The science made sense.
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Um, I believe.
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You, I trusted, I had a trust in the work and I was just applying it.
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Like you talk about uh also the aspect of what we do is you talk about taking action, taking steps.
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And I was doing that.
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I even even though days were really, really hard for me that year going through the grief, and I was doing the deep session and I was doing the journaling, I was doing these techniques, even though some days was so hard and and I was just crying, crying, crying, crying, crying, I still held on to the trust and the belief that if this is the process, I need to do this and I'll get to the other side of it.
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And so I think that's also probably a mindset or a belief that I've always had.
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Like if I do these steps, if it's if it's X, Y, Z to get to here and I do those, I'm trusting that I do those and I will get there.
00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.240
And so that was that's probably another aspect for me too.
00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:25.160
Yeah, you know, my my perspective on that is when we you and I first talk and that whole group, you know, it's really interesting.
00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.200
The first year was 13 people, and the second year was 13 people.
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It's really interesting.
00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.119
But now we're not really doing that interview process anymore.
00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.440
So we're opening up the program to everyone else.
00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:46.599
But I also, when you and I first talked, I think we talked about it at the time, and and this was the case with all those initial um sort of certification uh, you know, um what we call them candidates.
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:54.359
Uh you had a lot of the next level human mindset uh already there.
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And and that story of like, I can do uh whatever I want to do.
00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:02.839
And here's what I want to point out to to people listening to this.
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.000
And correct me if I'm wrong here, Kathy, but here's one of the things I've I learned about Kathy.
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Kathy did not have, you know, she's not without suffering.
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.240
You know, she had uh she was left out of a lot of things when she was a kid.
00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:19.000
She has mud around, you know, um, some of her family stuff.
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:24.039
She's got a lot, and when I say mud, we that's a term that Kathy and I use misguided unconscious decisions.
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:31.960
It's this idea that we formulate belief structures when we're young, when we don't have the maturity and the wisdom that can keep us stuck.
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.359
Like things like I'm not safe and I'm not worthy.
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:45.000
And, you know, Kathy had a lot of this, like we all do, but somehow along the way, uh, you had this deeper belief structure that was there.
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:50.680
And to me, I think you and I both know now with working with clients, that's what this work has to do.
00:23:50.839 --> 00:24:33.319
You know, we don't always necessarily know where we got it or how to give it to our clients, but you mentioned this process feel, deal, heal, that I do want people to sort of understand a little bit, because this is one of those tangible things that not only will release the old suffering points, the mud that Kathy, myself, and all of you listening suffer from simply by being human, but it also, when when you go through something very difficult, it also allows you to not create mud, not to create um get stuck in the mud with these new processes.
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:43.160
In other words, what our work does is we essentially go, look, you have these mindsets and these beliefs and these stories about who you are and how the world works that are keeping you stuck.
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.640
We got to go back and unwind those.
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:56.839
Also, though, when you learn these skills, these this field deal heal process, it allows you to, when you go through the breakup, to actually get through it and not have it haunt you for 20 years.
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:02.200
When you go through the financial crisis, it allows you to get through it and not have it haunt you.
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:09.319
When you go through, you know, the health-related stuff, it allows you to get through it and not have it, you know, basically haunt you.
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:23.079
And so let's briefly talk about that because I do wonder if this is part of the process, but it sounds like what you're saying is learning that process was what helped you get through a very difficult time.
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.200
And let's be clear, it's not that it's not difficult.
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:27.799
We humans will suffer.
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:34.599
The idea is will we have um post-suffering distress disorder?
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:43.319
So, not post-traumatic stress disorder, but post-suffering, or maybe what we might say, Kathy and I might say, you don't have trauma.
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.640
What you've really got is drama.
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:54.200
The struggle happens in the beginning, it's not fun, but oftentimes we continue the pain because we tell a story that keeps us stuck.
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.400
And so why don't we just walk through that really quickly?
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:01.319
And I want to know how this process, you know, sort of worked for you.
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:17.480
First, I just want to know do you feel like when in hindsight, you were like, oh, I was using some of these stuff in my younger days, or do you feel like, oh, once you learn this stuff, you were like, this freed me and allowed me to break some of those patterns and also allow me to get through this tragic loss you had?
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:30.519
Well, I do think that uh through the course of my career, of course, I've I had heard of um stories and beliefs and inner child, some of the things that you talk about in the program.
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:40.200
I've heard of those things and I've heard about how we can uh develop some of our stories, our beliefs, our subconscious loops from childhood.
00:26:40.440 --> 00:27:02.200
So I understood that that happens, but going through your program, it expanded my knowledge and skill set on okay, so if we all have those things and we we can identify that some of those things are not serving me well in my life anymore, they might have served me well back then when I needed some of that stuff, but they may not serve me as well now.
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.200
Um, how do I actually change that?
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:22.839
And so I think also one thing about me too is I have the belief, desire, whatever you want to call it, to um pause and ask myself in a difficult situation, what are my choices right now?
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:28.039
I can choose to stay here and continue to suffer in this.
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:29.720
That's one choice I have.
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What where's that going to lead me if I choose that?
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:48.200
Um, I can choose to get through, try to work through the painful parts of this, the feel parts, the feel deal parts, and heal it so that um it's no longer affecting me in the same way anymore.
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.480
And I can learn and grow from it and move on from there.
00:27:51.960 --> 00:28:08.279
Or I can, you know, choose to stay um, I guess uh I can choose to suppress it and stay kind of stuck because if I suppress it, it's going to still be there and it's gonna pop up occasionally for me and not really getting rid of it.
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:13.880
I'm temporarily getting rid of it for a moment or a day or a week or a month, but it's gonna come back up.
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:27.880
So for me myself, I've just kind of identified for myself I'm trying to become the best version of a human being that I possibly can as I'm involved as I evolve and I'm perfectly imperfect.
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.279
Some days I'm better at it, some days I'm not.
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:39.880
But I know that my choices that I don't want to stay stuck in things that don't serve me for my most authentic, aligned, higher good self.
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:51.559
So I I pause and I look at a situation like, okay, what are my choices here and what's the impact if I make this choice or that choice or that choice and um make a decision from there?
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:52.599
Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:54.440
So this is really interesting.
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And so I I want to walk people through this real quick, and then you can kind of tell me how this sort of worked for you.
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:07.799
The way I see this, you know, obviously we remember things at rhyme, hence the feel, deal, heal process.
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.559
And what I feel like you're talking about right there is the deal phase, right?
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It's like this idea of like, what are the choices and what are the coping mechanisms and what are the actions I can kind of take, right?
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.799
And this is where most people sort of sit.
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.160
It's about as far as they can typically go.
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.839
But I also would say most people actually don't do that.
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.519
What they do is they just kind of freeze.
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:35.559
So they distract, deny, whimper, whine, blame, complain, attack, avoid.
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.559
These are all the coping mechanisms that we do in the deal phase, right?
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:48.200
But you're right, there is a choice that needs to be made to see here are my coping patterns, and are they actually solving the problem?
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:56.119
But prior to that comes the subconscious work, which is feeling and dealing with the emotion, right?
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.640
And so there's the feel that starts to bleed into the deal.
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:01.559
So I want to talk about that just briefly.
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.000
The feel part, none of us ever learn.
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.160
And so Kathy and I would use an example.
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We tend to use the example of you cut your thumb.
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:17.079
So if I'm hanging out with all of you in the kitchen and Kathy and I are sitting here cutting vegetables, and my knife slips and cuts my finger.
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The very first thing I do is stop and pay attention.
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Why do I stop and pay attention?
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Because I feel it, right?
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.759
Without the feeling, I don't stop.
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Now, the next thing I do is I deal with it.
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.200
And the dealing part is how deep is it?
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How much of a mess did I make?
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Do I need stitches?
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Do I need to go get the stitches?
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That kind of thing.
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Those are the choices piece.
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:48.359
But when it comes to emotional wounds, the feeling place is to go, okay, I have an emotional response.
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.400
I'm suffering, I have grief, I have betrayal, I have whatever I have.
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.119
We have to go in the body and feel it.
00:30:54.200 --> 00:31:14.839
In the same way a knife cuts a particular area of our thumb, the feeling phase, and no one ever teaches us humans to do this, is to go into the body and go, oh, I'm feeling X, anger, sadness, whatever it is, and I'm feeling it here in my heart, my throat, my stomach, wherever it is.
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:21.880
And then the subconscious mind, as Kathy and I know, does not think in logic and intellect, it thinks in metaphor and symbols.
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.599
So then you go, is there a symbol associated with this?
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:32.839
You know, is there like, you know, a lion, you know, that pops up, or the symbol of, you know, mud or tar or whatever that symbol might be.
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.759
And that's the feeling phase.
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:36.359
And people don't do that.
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:43.079
We can name it, we can describe it, we can find it in the body, and we can apply these aspects to it.
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:48.119
And when we do that, what happens with the subconscious, it bleeds into better choices.
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.200
It bleeds into the deal phase.
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:56.039
And then the heal phase after that, those choices, is to basically go, how do I finally heal?
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.720
Well, if it's a cut finger, what we're going to do is what?
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:04.519
We're going to put ointment on it, we're going to do all that stuff, but that's actually not the healing phase.
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:05.480
That's still the deal phase.
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:13.480
The healing phase is when we go, oh, next time Kathy and I are cutting vegetables, we go, I remember I have a scar right here on my finger.
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:21.160
I remember last time I cut my finger, and I should learn to be careful and not be talking to Kathy while I'm cutting my vegetables.
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:26.200
Or maybe in the interim, I went out to YouTube and learned how to chop vegetables better.
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.440
In other words, I learned a lesson.
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:37.880
And then maybe the real healing turns into when we turn it into purpose, we go, maybe I'll teach other people and remind them not to, you know, do this.
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.359
And this is the process that Kathy and I teach.
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:48.440
And so it's really interesting what you're saying, Kathy, is you have a natural tendency to be really good at dealing.
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:49.799
And I'm just curious.
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:59.000
So, you know, maybe adding on this feel phase and this heal phase, or maybe you always kind of linked them together, but just didn't have the words for them.
00:32:59.079 --> 00:32:59.559
I don't know.
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:00.519
How do you see it?
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:08.680
Well, I think I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this because as you're talking about through the field, deal, heal phase, I'm like, yes, you're right.
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:17.960
A lot of people can get to the deal aspect of something and logic it and say, okay, I understand X, Y, Z.
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:18.519
Okay.
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.079
Because I understand it, good.
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.480
Mark, you know, check the box.
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I'm good.
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:24.920
I understand it now.
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.039
I learned my lesson.
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:26.599
Okay.
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.839
But there's this aspect of the feel phase.
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:37.640
And I certainly did my fair share of bypassing that feel phase that you're referring to.
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:49.160
And I think that's one of the beautiful blessings of your program for me is it allowed me to understand that I can't bypass that feeling phase and the techniques that you teach in that feeling phase.
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:59.000
So going back, because I think, and I'm so curious to hear your thoughts on this because you've you've done such a deep dive on research and study into things like this.
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:07.799
But I think inherently when you talk about the cut finger analogy, you know, we we physically cut our finger and we're like, okay, I know not to do that again.
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:08.760
That hurt.
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:10.199
I am not doing that again.
00:34:10.279 --> 00:34:10.760
That hurt.
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.359
I'm not gonna experience that pain again.
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:19.079
But when we're talking about wounds, like emotional wounds, um we do it again and again.
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:25.239
I think we can be so protective, like we can logic it and say, okay, I understand how I got here.
00:34:25.319 --> 00:34:27.640
I get this, okay, not gonna do that again.
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:37.880
Uh, but to have to go back and actually feel it to heal it, uh, we can come up to so many barriers, perhaps.
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:45.319
Maybe there's a better word for it, because inherently our mind, our body says, no, we we know that pain.
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.159
Like, why do you want to do that pain again?
00:34:47.319 --> 00:34:48.680
Like, why do we want to go through that?
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:49.239
What?
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:50.840
Like, that's no, no, no, no.
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.279
We're not doing that pain again.
00:34:52.440 --> 00:35:05.319
But it is a necessary step in order to clear the mud, the misguided unconscious decisions to clear that so that we don't have to keep experiencing that pain again.
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:06.760
Cause as you know, you're the teacher.
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:22.359
Like, as you know, if we don't clear that pain, if we don't go back and revisit it and actually feel it, even though it's going to hurt, even though we know it's going to hurt, if we don't go back and do that, at some point, in some way, shape, or form, we're gonna re probably relive that again.
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:23.880
So I'm curious to hear.
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.199
If we don't revisit it, it will revisit us.
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:26.920
Yes.
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:28.279
Yes.
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:39.320
But we we I we seem to have this aspect of us as humans that's so protective that even though we can logic a situation and say, okay, I get it, I understand the lesson.
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:49.480
It's so protective in that, like, it doesn't want us almost as if it's like there's a resistance there on some levels of, well, but you want to go back and actually feel that.
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:50.519
Like, what?
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.039
But we have to.
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.440
But I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that.
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.760
Yeah, no, I agree completely.
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.719
And it's really interesting having this discussion with you, right?
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:09.639
Because you and I have talked about this, where uh in romantically, right, we you and I switch roles where sometimes you can struggle in the romantic realm and I don't.
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.280
But then in the financial realm, you don't tend to struggle in that realm, but I might.
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.840
So this is the first thing I might say to everybody, right?
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:24.199
Where it's like uh we all have our different lanes that we tend to do feel, deal, heal better in.
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:31.639
I struggle a little bit in feeling what money's about for me, dealing with what money's about for me, and healing some of my money patterns.
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.239
Whereas Kathy tends to be pretty good in that area.
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:46.519
Uh, I think you're great in romance too, but I think, you know, in that area, because we've coached each other, Kathy, a little bit with me with some of my business patterns and me with some of her romantic patterns, it's different.
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.719
So that's the first thing that I would say.
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:55.800
The next thing I would say is that we humans don't get ever taught this.
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.039
And so this is why yours and my work is so powerful.
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:06.519
Because essentially what we're doing is we're taking people back to school and going, emotional school, really.
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.800
We're saying, look, here's what you were never taught about emotions, right?
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:20.440
I mean, I know it's cliche, but in some shape or form, most all of us were told either feel everything or don't feel anything.
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.239
It seems that our society splits it like this.
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.760
You see these kids where the parents are completely like, whatever you feel is fine, and whenever you feel it is fine, and however you do it is fine.
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.760
And then there's other uh, you know, sort of things where it's like don't feel anything.
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.480
If you cry, so help me God, kind of thing, right?
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:49.960
So to me, I go, what we actually need, and what you and I do is take people back and we go, look, emotional regulation, emotional appropriateness, emotional vulnerability, right?
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.440
Emotional integrity, emotional alchemy.
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:58.039
What we're doing is we're coming back and saying, no, you don't get to feel every feeling and express it all the time.
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.639
But no, you can't actually suppress it either.
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.119
And you have to learn these steps of emotional regulation, emotional appropriateness.
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:07.639
Think about when we were kids, right?
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.519
To some degree, you couldn't just freak out every chance you got if you had a good parent.
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.079
They were like, this is not the appropriate time.
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:16.599
You need to regulate.
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.960
However, for some people, that went as far as suppression, right?
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.079
And then we have to teach people, well, do you even know what you're feeling?
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.159
What's what are you feeling, Jade, when you're a kid?
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.480
You know, all I knew was anger because I couldn't express sadness.
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:37.000
In my family, it was okay to express anger because I saw my mom and dad express anger, but I didn't see them expressing sadness as much.
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.679
And so this is the process.
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:47.639
And so the way I see it is what we're doing is we're taking people back and teaching them the A, B, Cs of emotional alchemy.
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.280
Emotional alchemy would be the top mastery skill, but that's the feel phase.
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.880
The feel phase is all about emotional maturity and emotional mastery.
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:03.480
And very, very, very few humans have ever been taught that work.
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.199
Then you can get into deal, and then you can begin to get into heal.
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.000
And so that's why most of yours and my work centers around those emotional needs.
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:18.280
I have a theory that I uh, you know, um, this is one of the reasons why I always love talking to you about this.
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:31.079
I have a theory that around, for some reason, around money, your money story or whatever happened with you around business and money, you've mastered some of the all the emotional containers around money.
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.440
And not maybe not all of them, but most of them, better than I have, right?
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.519
Like somehow you get it.
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:41.480
You get appropriateness, regulation, integrity, vulnerability, alchemy with money, right?
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.840
And that's why you're free to make clear choices.
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:53.079
And that's why I think you can be in alignment to go back to what we started this conversation with and trust because you've developed that skill set.
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.880
When someone is romantically not able to do that, it's because they didn't master those elements.
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.480
That's why they can't make choices.
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:08.280
That's why they're either too avoidant or too anxious, or they don't say the right thing, or they're off in social settings.
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.960
Same with health, right?
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:10.679
All of this.
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.000
So to me, I go, that's the most important element.
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.679
That's the foundation.
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:23.559
So it's interesting though, right, with me and you, because now that I'm sitting here talking with you about, I'm like, oh, you know, the it's not like I didn't suffer in the romantic realm.
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:32.519
It's just that, matter of fact, I suffered perhaps mostly in the romantic realm in very big, disappointing ways to myself, which helped me to figure it out.
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.239
And I'm wondering, did you have any early on in business?
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:42.119
And you're probably gonna be like, no, Jade, but like, did you have any really big failures early on that made you figure it out?
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:48.440
Or did your family, or did was there like I'm just curious, like what about you just made you seem to be able to get it?
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.800
You're probably gonna say, I really don't get the money thing, Jade, as much as I think you do.
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:59.000
But to me, you to me, you're you know, like if I've met anyone, very few people in my life, you're like might as touch when it comes to your business stuff.
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.159
It seems everything seems to work.
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.719
Well, I did grow up in a family of entrepreneurs, so I think that helps.
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.360
Okay.
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.199
I saw their ups and downs.
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:16.360
Um, and I saw them persevere in in their um businesses.
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:24.360
Definitely that probably early on, we talk about child lens, certainly contributed to my lens when it comes to.
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.159
Business and finance today.
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.800
To go to your point about romance.
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.239
Like as we're talking, I can see like, okay, so after I got divorced, I s I stayed alone for about seven years.
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:41.079
So I didn't get that experience of like like you're talking about.
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:49.719
I didn't, I didn't put myself in the situation to experience the the lessons I needed to learn there necessarily right after my divorce.
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:55.000
And, you know, until I started getting back into the dating world, you know, a few few years back.
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:05.960
So, you know, where you you perhaps were like you went into that experience and you learned your lessons and and I did early on with business and and even with health.
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.960
Health is a strong human job.
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:09.719
I feel like I'm strong in my health.
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:16.039
I take very good hair, very good care of myself and um all that and personal development.
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.679
I've always been naturally drawn to growth and healing.
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:23.320
So I feel like I'm good in like several areas of the of our four main jobs.
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.320
But as you're speaking, Yeah, you should.
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.320
I should really brag on you because you should, I should brag on you because you should tell people how old you are.
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:36.039
Every time you tell me how old, you're like, I'm not gonna tell, but you look nothing like your age, right?
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.119
It's like it's insane uh to me.
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.480
And so, like, yeah, it's like it does seem like we all have, I see these jobs like a three-legged stool, right?
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.360
It's like you have it on those stools that they're never quite balanced.
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:51.480
It seems like every human, you seem you you do really good in health, you do really good in wealth.
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:58.199
I think you do like the this last conversation you and I had about like some of your romantic stuff, I was just like, oh my God, that's so on point.
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.599
But that might be the one leg that's short on you.
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.199
Whereas the money thing might be the one leg that's a little short on me.
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.440
I think we all we all kind of have that.
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:14.760
But I do think it's really interesting what you've got enough experience on the romance side to get the leg to fully grow there on that stool.
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:15.960
But I'm I'm getting that.
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:26.840
Yeah, and I and honestly, the the last, you know, just so all of you know who are listening in on this conversation, we uh Kathy has become a very good friend of mine, and we coach, we coach each other now, and this is what's really cool.
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.079
A lot of us in that first cohort of individuals uh sort of do that.
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.679
And so we do tend to, she does tend to remind me things about business and money and that kind of stuff.
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:44.679
And I do tend to remind her about the romantic stuff, but I also think you're uh pretty amazing uh in that realm as well.
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:59.079
And I do think, you know, uh one of the things you and I talk about, I just want to say this about coaching and of course the program we run at Next Level Human, the best coaches, I think, are actually not people who have all legs solid, right?
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.079
Like, and just have it all figured out.
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:08.679
The best coaches are people who have struggled mightily and or are struggling mightily in a particular area.
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:10.599
And then people tend to find them for that.
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:17.639
So I like with Kathy, I would not be surprised if people find her for business and find her for the romantic stuff, right?
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.000
Like she, because she can speak to both of those from very different uh kind of places.
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:39.239
I do want, before we wrap up, because we're right around 45 minutes here, um, but I do want to talk briefly with you about this uh process that we have discussed, because in business, this is really interesting about this.
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:54.599
Like uh me and our group at Next Level Human, when people come into Next Level Human uh as new cohorts for training, one of the things that we want to have happen is for them to go ahead and launch their coaching programs right away.
00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:08.920
When you become a human architect or certify with next level human, one of the things that we want to have happen is we want to teach you the methods fairly quickly and then have you launch this new type of doing coaching.
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:17.000
And so super funny because I'm telling all, I'm on a call with all of the clients, of course this is true of you, Kathy, but I'm on the call with everyone.
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.119
I'm showing them, look, this is how you want to launch this program.
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.280
You want to set up your kind of compound coaching, which is our version of group coaching.
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.559
It's really not group coaching, but it's it's a form of that.
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:32.199
Um, these story circles in this different way, and you want to go ahead and launch this before the new year.
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.360
So Kathy messaged me and goes, Jade, I've got 17 people in that program.
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And I'm like, what?
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:42.039
I don't even have any more people in my program yet, you know, in terms of the launch.
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:43.719
And I'm curious, right?
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.840
Because I think what happens is there's two things here.
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.599
One, you just learned that model.
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:53.559
Now you learned the methods, but you had just learned that particular model very recently.
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.280
Two years ago, you started learning the methods, but this is a new model we've launched, right?
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:05.159
And you immediately took that and went boom and ran with it and knew exactly what to do with it and crushed.
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:22.280
And what I want to understand is tell me, you know, and of course, we don't have to talk numbers, it's kind of irrelevant from that perspective, but tell me how all of a sudden you take a new model like that, just business-wise, and uh put it together and maybe just tell people how that process worked for you and how it's working for you.
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.800
Well, I think there's multiple layers to that.
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.599
First of all, I think I've had so much experience.
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:39.639
When you talk about the competence-confidence loop, I've had so much experience in my brick and mortar business, uh bringing out new services and things like that.
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:47.400
So I didn't have any fear, uh, an underlying fear about putting something together and putting it out there.
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.079
Um, I've put things out there that have done better than other things.
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:57.239
So I've gone through the experience of, okay, that didn't work out as well as I thought, but it's okay.
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.239
Um, so I've gone through the experience of those things in my brick and mortar.
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:12.760
So that aspect of it, putting something together and putting it out there, I think I've I've overcome some of the fear with that type of thing through my experience in entrepreneurship.
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:22.119
Um, and then when we talk about something feeling aligned for me, and like and again, I will say there's an aspect of this that I don't fully understand myself.
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:23.400
I just know what I feel.
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:31.079
So I remember when I messaged you, I said, I didn't plan to launch this right now, but over the last week, I've just been feeling like I need to do this.
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.239
I can't explain it, but I need to do it.
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:37.800
So I just I I've been working on it and I just decided to put it out there.
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:41.400
And I woke up the next morning and had these people signed up, you know, for it.
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:46.760
I started with, I started with the people that I've already had relationships with.
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.559
So my client base and my brick and mortar and some of my family and friends.
00:47:51.719 --> 00:48:03.000
I started a soft launch, if you want to call it, with those people before I ever put it out there to other people or other professionals I've worked with in my um brick and mortar uh career.
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:09.159
So I launched it there and I remember messaging you like, oh my gosh, I woke up, I launched it late last night.
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.400
Woke up and there's people signed up, Jay.
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:23.320
Now, you know, like so it's so it that's the best way I can explain it is I, you know, I think I think from my lens, sometimes people can let fear stop them.
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.440
Um, they can let some aspect of fear stop them.
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.599
And that's what's beautiful about the work we do is we would call that mud.
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:44.039
Um, and so us as human architects can come in and help somebody and say, okay, where is we can die we can help them dive deeper into the fear and say, okay, what is really happening here?
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Let's look at this, let's feel it, let's deal with it, let's heal it.
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:51.239
So then it stops being the roadblock to where you want to be.
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:56.519
And so I think I don't know if that answers your question, but that's good for me.
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:57.559
Yeah.
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.280
I mean, what I'm what I'm hearing is a couple things.
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What I'm hearing is reps, right?
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Like repetitions.
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I've done I, you know, I have some competence and confidence because of the reps.
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.800
I also heard, look, I had some reps because, you know, my family had some reps prior.
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:22.440
So even as a little girl, probably, you were picking up some of these aspects, you know, absorbing some of their feel, deal, heal process.
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.920
By the way, it didn't have to be that way, right?
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Because it could have also gone the other way.
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We absorb either way.
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Healthy relationship, we might absorb some of that from our parents.
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.440
Unhealthy relationship, we might absorb some of that from our parents.
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.400
A family that is good with finances, we might absorb some of that.
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.840
Family that's not so good with finance, we may absorb some of that.
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.719
And so that's the first thing that I heard.
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:52.760
And then also this idea, I love what you said about you know, the fear is we can extinguish, and this is what people don't understand.
00:49:53.000 --> 00:50:00.599
We can extinguish a lot of the fear when we start to go, it is not fear in the way you think about it, it is mud.
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:08.039
And it's there because you never learn to feel, and that's why the mud's cemented and is keeping you stuck.
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:17.559
I think it's so well said the way you said that, because then that our work, we essentially say, if you can break that mud, you actually free yourself up in a different way.
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:19.800
You know that saying, um, what do they say?
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They say with fear, they call it false expectations appearing real.
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I don't like that at all because I go, you know what?
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Fear is very real for a lot of people.
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I see it more as find, engage, and resolve, which is what you're saying, to me, clear the mud.
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:41.719
So, and you and you don't have to go, I'm afraid of whatever I'm afraid of.
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You have to just go back and be like, what has happened to me to make me feel these particular ways?
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:56.679
And in dissolving that feeling state and letting it move, you oftentimes clear some of the fear state.
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:03.079
And so that's what I hear you saying, where you're like, I don't have a lot of that, so I can just launch.
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:25.239
And then, you know, from my perspective, you had this really nice, and what I, you know, selfishly want you know, people to see who come on board with us is to go, this is an individual who launched exactly this model, did not know this model previously, learned this model, and because of who she is, put it into um, you know, and it worked.
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.000
And people are like, yes, please.
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:34.119
Now, some of that absolutely has to do with you know relationships you've built and all the things that you built, but that's the point.
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:50.360
This stuff works, and it is tied to the underlying mud, the field deal heel component of this, and the ability to, you know, break patterns in health, in wealth, you know, in finance and in purpose.
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:55.719
It's just in this case, it's in the wealth category, which you seem to figure it out.
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:08.360
And I think we've unlocked, and I'll just sum it up here and then see to add, but I think we've unlocked a little bit about how people can think about this with all four of these jobs, but especially with finance from learning from Kathy.
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.639
It seems to me that on some level there's a belief structure that Kathy has.
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:18.840
Some of it you might say, well, isn't it just lucky she had parents and this and that, but she still had to make choices.
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:25.320
I know people who come up with silver spoons and people who and and they just burn all their money, they're not so smart about it.
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:27.079
So they write different stories.
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:33.639
Whatever she did, she integrated that in the correct way to get the results that she wanted to get.
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.920
And so there is a belief structure that has to happen.
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:45.400
And then what's really interesting about you is you go, and then from there, because we're talking about feeling, you go, I just go with how I feel.
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.119
By the way, have you ever seen uh the the um God, what's the name of that show?
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.280
It's uh it was a documentary with Dr.
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.440
Dre and Jimmy Ivine.
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:55.880
Oh, uh the Defiant Ones.
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:56.760
Have you seen that?
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:57.719
You should watch that.
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.599
I think it's called The Defiant Ones and Dr.
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.800
Dre and Jimmy Ivine, they're mute, it's all it's music, but it's all about um, you know, business.
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:06.760
And one of the things Dr.
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.480
Dre says in that is he goes, they were asking him, you know, whatever, how he does his thing.
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:15.320
And he goes, I everything, if it doesn't feel right, I don't do it.
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.039
And I don't know how he was kind of saying the same thing you're saying.
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.599
I don't know how, but if it doesn't feel right, I walk away.
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:29.800
And he there's they were telling the story how he walked away from millions and millions of dollars and walked away from his own labels and stuff because it just didn't feel right.
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.400
It seems like you have some of that in you.
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:38.920
And then there's the component of yeah, you learn some new skills, and then you can act on those.
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.000
But I think the problem is, is some people go, Well, I'll learn the new skills, I'll act on them.
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:51.480
What Kathy is teaching us is that no, the skills, and again, I don't want to put words in your mouth, so you tell me if I, but the skills and the learning, yes.
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:57.400
But then there's this feeling, alignment, belief structure that she had.
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.159
Like that's like I'm just it's still perfectly the way you said it.
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:06.920
It's like, I just go how I feel, I follow my alignment, and I have this belief structure.
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:11.559
And all of that come came before learning the method and taking the action.
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:18.360
And I think it perfectly sums up, you know, kind of what we do, which is why, you know, it's really interesting at beginning this conversation.
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.280
I was like, oh, this is interesting that you got you went right into feel, deal, heal.
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.320
And I'm like, it's the perfect process, right?
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.559
Because, you know, essentially you're like, healing would be like having, right?
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.400
Dealing would be like doing, and feeling would be like being.
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:37.239
So people think we have to have it, then we'll do it, then we'll be it, but it works the other way around.
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.119
It's be it, do it, have it.
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.639
And you know, watching, hearing your story, I'm like, that's exactly what it is.
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.000
Be do have, that's how it worked for you.
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.079
And I do think that's how it works for our clients.
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.960
Well, and I think, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this because yes, you're right.
00:54:54.119 --> 00:55:07.239
There's an aspect of I learned the specific techniques, I learned the specific methods and your theories behind things that helped my brain process and analyze those things on a very logical level.
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:21.159
But then, of course, during my journey through life, I've gone through good times, I've gone through less than ideal times, I've gone through all those things that have shaped my connection to self, my self-trust, that aspect.
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:22.360
I think you said it was with Dr.
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.079
Dre that it's like if it doesn't feel right, I walk away from it.
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:35.000
Like that level of that, I think you develop going through some of the hard knocks of life, you develop that connection to self, that self-trust, things like that.
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:43.400
But when you talk about the four jobs, you know, relationships, health, business, finance, personal development, purpose.
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:52.599
One thing that some of my fellow coaches in your program have asked me off and on is, you know, how do I get better?
00:55:52.760 --> 00:56:00.440
How do I, how can I, how, how can I do this better or be more like the way you just come to the table and you do this, Kathy?
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.199
Like, how can I be like that?
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.440
And I my answer is always the same.
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:11.800
And it's not that they're necessarily lacking this, it's that my belief is we're all we always have work to do with ourselves.
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.960
So I always say continue to work on yourself.
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:36.840
Because I do feel like, and I do feel like even though I might intentionally be going into work on myself in a specific area, maybe one of those jobs, somehow, somehow, and I don't fully understand this, and you might have some insight on this, Jade, is me going through that field deal heel process that I went through with the the death that I experienced in my life that year.
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:58.679
But then also what that brought up as far as you what you called knots that that shaped those misguided unconscious decisions, as those things started unraveling for me going through the process, it's not that I went into the work saying, okay, I'm gonna start working on the health aspect of my human job or the relationship aspect of my human job.
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.920
It's not that my mindset was like, I gotta work on this human job of these four.
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.599
I'm I'm gonna focus on this.
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:11.079
It was I just allowed whatever needed to happen and heal to happen.
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:18.360
And it, when I said in the beginning, it enhanced my lens in such a beautiful way in all the jobs.
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:27.559
Somehow, some way, even though it didn't necessarily fit one of those jobs in particular, it has bled through all of the jobs.
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:36.119
So when I say it has enhanced beautifully my lens in all four human jobs, somehow that has happened going through this work.
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:42.360
So when I tell people, work on yourself and it will translate in all of the jobs.
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:48.920
So suddenly, if it's the career that you're looking at, if it's launching that coaching, it's going to be there.
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.599
It's going to be there.
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:54.280
You know, so I don't know what your thoughts on that, but that's what I've noticed anyway.
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.280
Yeah, no, I I think it always, always works that way.
00:57:58.360 --> 00:57:59.800
I've noticed the exact same thing.
00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:04.360
It's almost as if people will come into this work as a client, let's do the client side first.
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:12.599
They'll come into this work and they'll be like, I want to lose weight, or I want to get healthier, I want to make more money, or I want to fix my mother relationship, or you know, whatever it is.
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:21.559
And they all they oftentimes go, why am I talking about this thing that happened when I was a kid where I got picked on or whatever?
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.159
Or why is that coming up?
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.719
Like I said, I wanted to lose weight.
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And what we find is that that belief structure is attached to a story regarding safety and security, or acceptance and belonging, or freedom and autonomy.
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And then those safety and security and acceptance and belonging needs and stories influence the relationship, influence the self-soothing with food, influence the upstream habits and behaviors.
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And so what we now uh kind of understand, I think, and I think the research is very clear on this, is that it's not habits and behaviors, it's identity.
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And identity comes out of stories and judgments that mostly were formed early in life, but form anytime there's some difficult moments.
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Like, for example, uh, many people, we've seen many of you have seen this.
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Someone loses someone like you did, they lose a job, they go through a health scare, they go bankrupt, and it can change an adult too.
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They form mud and they're never the same.
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That's why the field deal heal process unwinds the child stuff and the teen stuff and the young adult stuff, but it also keeps you, if you understand how it keeps you from becoming these, you know, um, these people who uh go through these things and now they're a shadow of themselves.
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And so it and then it does translate into the doing across domains.
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It always works that way.
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So I oftentimes say, don't be surprised that you know, you're here's the thing, people think the problem is what they should be working on, but it's really the pattern and the story beneath the problem.
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So they go, I want to lose weight because I'm overweight.
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They don't realize that being overweight is attached to a pattern of self-soothing with food, which is attached to a story about stress relief and love, right?
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And it goes, so what we do, what Kathy and I do is we go, we take that outward behavior uh or that outward thing, and we go, we unwind it back to the pattern, back to the story, back to the subconscious drives.
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And then we have tools and techniques to unwind that.
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And that's what we do at next level human.
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Then all of a sudden, people go, I don't know what it is, but I'm not self-soothing anymore with food.
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They don't have that language, but they go, my, they go, my cravings have gone away.
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And I go, what has happened is your self-soothing behaviors around food that were all about seeing food as pleasure and food as stress relief have been unwound because the those behaviors came out of development because your mom showed you love by giving you birthday cake and MMs, and that's what you did.
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But people don't tie those things together.
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In a very real sense, we're I hate to say this, people don't like when I say this, but we're we're very much like dogs in a sense that we we are trained and conditioned.
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And then we forget because we're adults and we're not supposed to be conditioned, and we're supposed to, you know, be logical and rational creatures.
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We're not.
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We're emotional, meaning making machines, and we're living from the meaning we made a long, long time ago.
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And so that's That's kind of how I see it.
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But I don't know.
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Do you have any kind of final thoughts for people or anything that you want to leave them with?
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Well, I would say, and again, I will preface this by saying, Jade asked me to be on this today with very little information to be on to what we were gonna talk about.
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I was just saying, I just want to have a conversation with my friend, which I love about him.
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So trust me when I say this, he did not ask me to plug anything for him, but I have through the two years that I have been involved with Next Level Human, I would 1000% say it has changed my life in some of the most beautiful ways.
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I would encourage everyone to get involved in the Human Architect program.
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Even if you're not planning to start a business, even if you feel like you are okay in any of those four jobs, trust me when I say if you get into the program and you start doing the work, and you here's another word to throw out there, surrender to whatever is going to come up that it and trust that whatever's there is an aspect that's for your betterment, for your for your growth and your next level in life, um, you might be very pleasantly surprised as to where life leads you.
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Yeah, and and just so you all know, because um, thank you, Kathy, by the way.
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You are so sweet.
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I appreciate the plug and I will take it.
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But for those of you who are wondering, um uh Kathy is a graduate of the Next Level Human Coaching Program.
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We call them the Next Level Human Architects.
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So that program is for clinicians, coaches, counselors who want to learn this new identity work and who also want to learn the new business model uh that Kathy and I uh practice from.
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And so you can reach out uh to me.
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Uh certainly you can find her.
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She's incredibly uh gracious with her time and has walked many people through discussing the program.
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For those of you on the client side, um, that we also have something called the human game that is for the client-facing side.
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Now, as you go through the coaching program, you get that as well.
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But I want to make sure they know how to get you if they if they want to work with you.
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So, where where can they find you?
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Where do you where are you mostly?
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I know you're on Substack a lot now, like me.
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Yes.
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But where else can they find you, Kathy, to to learn from you, work with you, and get involved with you?
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Well, I am on Substack, Dr.
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Katherine Christie, Instagram, Facebook, all the traditional socials, or they can go to naturalmedicinementor.com and they can find more information about me.
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Naturalmedicineor.com at Dr.
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Katherine Christie on all the socials, and uh you can find her there.
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I adore you, my friend.
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Happy, happy new year, happy 2026, and thank you for being so lovely.
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You were so sweet to today.
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I so appreciate you.
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Thank you, Jade.
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Happy New Year.
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Yeah, yeah, we'll catch up on text.
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See you later, my friend.