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00:00:10.560Nelly's Magic Moments podcast.
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00:00:16.160Nelly, we've been going for a few seconds.
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00:00:19.760I think I had a little bit of the energy in the room before we started.
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00:00:21.199Nelly, who are we sitting with?
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00:00:22.320I love the energy.
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00:00:25.679I feel like I'm back at the slab or two six right here.
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00:00:30.160We got Bear, we got Adam Ripogle, and we got Craig Young.
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00:00:37.439Um, three of the most eclectic and iconic surfers and inspirations actually in my life.
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00:00:39.679Um, so let me introduce these guys.
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00:00:41.039Uh we'll start with Adam.
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00:00:51.439Um, uh Adam's one of those people who just love to make me laugh.
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00:00:55.679He's quick-witted and he's great at heckling.
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00:01:01.280Um, Adam and I have had a long history as well, and someone I can always count on.
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00:01:06.400So I have to read this because my brain is pretty toast after a long flight.
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00:01:14.640Um Adam had a long relationship with O'Neal, which which uh led us to shoot a lot together.
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00:01:16.560And um what's that?
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00:01:24.319Yeah, that's where the heckle's gonna end.
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00:01:30.079Um and he now owns a sick board shop on 41st Avenue.
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00:01:33.120So that's Adam Ripogo.
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00:01:35.840There's a lot more I could say, but we'll get into that.
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00:01:37.760Chris Green, Bear.
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00:01:39.280One of my favorite humans.
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00:01:41.920We call him Bear or we call him Jack.
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00:01:46.000If you ask anyone, they'll tell you he's one of the most stylish surfers around.
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00:01:50.159But now he prefers body surfing more than anything because he just loves getting barreled.
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00:02:00.000His poetry and songwriting is next level, and I'm so excited to read read the piece that he's doing on CY for SC Vibes next month.
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00:02:04.879Speaking of CY, Craig Young.
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00:02:10.240Craig and I did a lot of traveling and surfing and skating, shooting together over the years.
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00:02:12.240He even shaped all my boards.
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00:02:14.639His artwork is nothing short of amazing.
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00:02:17.520He's a poet, an inventor, and a craftsman.
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00:02:19.919Craig is not afraid to express himself.
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00:02:27.120That's some intros right there.
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00:02:28.960So those are the intros I got going.
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00:02:38.159Let me go backwards a little bit um just to kind of connect those intros um to this podcast.
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00:02:42.479Nelly, kind of circle through and then you can linger a little bit, like when these dudes came into your life.
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00:02:47.840Like, you know, and like not on the date or anything like that, but was it all at the same time or was it kind of broken up a little bit?
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00:02:54.719I think I met maybe Adam first when he was a tiny little uh toe head down in Capitola.
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00:03:02.800And uh he was just this little sarcastic, funny heckler skated the mercantile down there.
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00:03:03.280Yeah.
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00:03:10.800And we'd be down there doing board slides on the curb, and um, you know, shortly after met Bear and CY.
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00:03:14.319Were you um were you in the photography game or you just a dude at that point?
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00:03:18.400Oh no, way before I mean yeah, it was way before photography.
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00:03:20.159Guy with the blue sticker truck, yeah.
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00:03:25.039Sar conduit too was uh Whitey.
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00:03:36.319Yeah, Whitey, uh, Whiteman, TR, the guys that skateboarded, uh, Heinen, yeah, Beeson, yeah, Mike Beeson for sure.
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00:03:38.800You know, yeah, Capitol was really cool.
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00:03:40.960Early 80s, it was it was priceless down there.
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00:03:42.400Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about it.
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00:03:52.240That was definitely Whitey, but also like Yeah, there was this huge crew of surfers and skaters, and they all just kind of mesh together and we all know.
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00:03:57.759Different schools, different were you guys all over the place with schools?
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00:03:59.840Capitola was like a melting pot.
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00:04:02.879Yeah, people from everywhere would learn how to surf there.
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00:04:07.120So um like Peter Moe lived in Aptos, he learned to surf there.
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00:04:10.319Guys from the west side would come there and surf, guys from over the hill would come to surf.
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00:04:13.919Some of our good friends were actually from Saratoga or Las Gatas.
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00:04:15.360Yeah, yeah, that was the spot.
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00:04:17.920That's where everyone sort of No, that's very good.
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00:04:22.480Yeah, I was an Aptos guy.
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00:04:24.959Uh well, I was originally a Southern California person.
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00:04:26.879I came here when I was 12 years old.
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00:04:33.040I was born in Las Gadas.
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00:04:33.920I was having old.
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00:04:37.759But I was born in uh Jacramento, you know, the snake.
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00:04:44.959Craig memories.
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00:04:58.000Yeah, I started out at uh Natural Bridges preschool, and then my mom didn't like the wind on the windy west side, so we moved to Tola and you know, learned how to surf.
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00:05:08.000Tola, Capitol Junior High, Soquel High, and Adam grew up right down the street from me, and we brode out pretty hard.
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00:05:09.519Yeah, before I even surfed.
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00:05:11.600Before even yeah, I mean before we surfed, yeah.
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00:05:14.480Yeah, I mean it was like Adam, come here.
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00:05:17.360I was I was like stealing and stuff, you know.
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00:05:24.319Yeah, he'd he'd be trying to, he was friends with my brother because my brother's about his age, you know.
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00:05:27.759Yeah, and he'd be going, okay, I'm going home now.
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00:05:28.959I'd go, no, Adam, come here.
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00:05:30.240He'd be like, what, what, what?
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00:05:35.920I'd go, come here, and I'd just shake him upside down and firecrackers and fall out and quarters and change and junk.
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00:05:42.480What's the age difference in this group?
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00:06:00.959So so definitely not only within the culture, but within the same sort of like um, you know, groups and crew to hang with, like a legitimate crew to hang with.
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00:06:02.879It was an amazing crew, too.
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00:06:05.839That the whole 80s scene was just out of control.
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00:06:10.000I call it the the people who have been to the surf movies at the Civic.
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00:06:19.040You know, you know, flinging frisbees, like all sides would get together and just be like hanging tough, waiting for the lights to go down to fire it up.
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00:06:35.199And my grandpa was the maintenance guy at the civic auditorium, so I would always go, I'm in there.
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00:06:38.319And he was a maintenance guy at the lighthouse, too.
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00:06:43.120But it was magical, magical times.
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00:06:45.199The crew ran very deep.
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00:06:49.120There's like literally over a hundred probably people, you know.
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00:07:02.319I mean, if you count everybody, the bookers and the I mean, on and on, it just goes the Hannems and the every rebels that didn't go to school, basically, and we all partied and and ran them up.
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00:07:10.399A bunch of latchkey kids, you know, straight out of latchkey kids, kids, single, single moms, a lot of our raising bunch of boys.
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00:07:24.079The difference I think between um, you know, from my my perception, having been born and raised here, and Adam and I were talking about like second, third generation, you mentioned something about surf movies at the Civic.
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00:07:35.199The culture back then, it was interesting because you had the dudes that were surfers and skaters, but then when something at the Civic like that happened, um, it would be a community event.
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00:07:38.399I mean, clearly everybody that was in, you know, the core was there.
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00:07:41.199But then also on that night, it was just the thing to do.
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00:07:45.040And so that Civic was filled with not just surfers and skaters and people in it.
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00:07:51.519There was definitely, you know, the people that recreationally kind of lived in town, it was the thing to do that night.
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00:07:55.439The difference now I've noticed is that it's way more isolated.
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00:07:59.519And this could be with the you know, the difference change in the population and how it's going right now.
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00:08:03.519But when you have an event at the Rio or something like that, it's 100% core.
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00:08:09.279Do you I mean it's like it's not as it's not as community-based, and I know that's because it's a change in community right now.
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00:08:10.720And I'm I'm going to what you're saying.
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00:08:16.000Like the 80s in particular was, you know, we always want to think it's a golden age, but I do think it was.
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00:08:26.800I think it was a golden age in this town of not only, you know, the not only the culture, but the way it was documented, the way it was filmed, and the way it was sort of elevated.
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00:08:36.000Um, it it it's hard for me to imagine in the world we live in with social and things like that, um, you know, even the shit that was on the streets, the zines and things like that.
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00:08:41.679It's hard for me to imagine that kind of like golden era coming back, you know, as far as you know, this culture.
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00:08:43.279That was the difference, you know.
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00:08:47.600Back then, like Bear would be playing a cornerstone show, everyone would go.
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00:08:48.639You know what I mean?
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00:09:00.639And it was I remember some iconic ones at San Lorenzo Park, and just it was just raging with East Side, West Side, surfers, skaters, Rastas, all the reggae crews.
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00:09:06.399Well, dude, everyone, everyone would pull into days market to find out where the party was.
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00:09:08.720It's exactly 80 people looking for a party.
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00:09:10.159It's like, well, this is the party.
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00:09:10.639Exactly.
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00:09:14.720And you know, kegs on the beach, the whole nine yards.
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00:09:25.440It was all, you know, fireworks on the beach in Capitola, skateboarding at school, all that kind of stuff was happening, and it all sort of just dissipated into a wilderness, you know.
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00:09:30.240I I like to say we got the best of the last of Santa Cruz.
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00:09:34.000You know, the guys before us are going, we got it better, which they probably did.
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00:09:41.039But I'm I'm thinking, you know, now there a lot of the cool, fun stuff that we used to be able to do isn't available anymore.
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00:09:43.759You know, you can't even have a band at your house.
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00:09:48.159If you call downtown and say, I'm having a party for my birthday, I'm having a band over.
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00:09:53.919The cops are gonna come and bust it up without even 10 people there at seven o'clock.
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00:10:02.159And now it used to be just, you know, kids and bikes and everything, just you know, we're having a party at Aunt Nelly's begonia garden.
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00:10:04.720And it would just be out of control, you know.
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00:10:10.399And the and the the heads that were there were so it was like the nickname, everyone had nicknames, you know.
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00:10:11.679It was it was hilarious.
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00:10:19.759You know, you got your, you know, what your pine cones and your your mid you know, just the classicest crew of people.
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00:10:22.480I mean, I wouldn't have traded that in for anything.
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00:10:25.360It was the same with the slab, too.
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00:10:28.480You got on the slab and it was the craziest cruise ever.
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00:10:29.440Where was that?
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00:10:30.799So fun.
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00:10:36.879I think something can only epoch one time, you know, and I think that's like we're talking about surf culture and we're talking about Santa Cruz.
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00:10:41.759Um, but we can be talking about music also, you know, like the same people that say we had it better, like that old generation.
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00:10:48.720Yeah, they're talking about maybe more the purity, the ability to go out to the best spots and have it to themselves, um, you know, a lot more.
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00:10:55.279The thing about the late 70s, all the way through the 80s, early 90s, is that's when the culture went all the way to a 10.
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00:11:01.120That's really when um everything was maxed out, you know, as far as in the industry even sort of followed.
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00:11:06.399There was money that was in the industry, there was uh there was a lot of you know opportunities within the industry.
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00:11:15.200Um, and you can say, I'm not saying it peaked out and there's nothing there, but it you can't undo when you've done that in sort of you know an event.
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00:11:18.720Like you look back, and I'm not just talking about surfing more, I'm talking about everything.
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00:11:25.600It has this one moment that was like the penultimate moment of that cultural thing, and I think that's what we're talking about in the 80s.
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00:11:27.919And it was also the shortboard revolution.
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00:11:39.279Yeah, you know, we just missed the longboard, we got into the single fin, the 5'8 Coletta single fin, you know, everybody had one, and then it turned into Joey Thomas twin fin, you know, and it was a shortboard revolution.
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00:11:46.559So surfing was advancing heavily, skateboarding was advanced was advancing heavily, and it was just it was so cool.
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00:11:54.720And to go back to bringing the town together, the only other thing that brought the town together like that besides the surf movie was when the river mouth broke.
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00:12:04.320Remember the river mouth broke, everyone could just gather at the river mouth, and it'd just be another sort of you know collaboration of towns, best and worst, you know.
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00:12:05.440It was pretty cool.
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00:12:08.320And then the next era of that was the Murph bar.
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00:12:18.080Especially the the 1982 Rivermouth uh bar that was out as equal to the into the municipal wharf, and it lasted throughout the summer.
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00:12:20.480It was that was the most incredible bar.
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00:12:23.840Yeah I think everybody got barreled there.
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00:12:24.879Yeah.
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00:12:41.120But I remember sort of it being the skateboard generation, too, where all those skateboards that Santa Cruz was making that were coming out, but was sort of defined, you're talking about that pinnacle moment.
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00:12:43.440Uh I mean it was just all around us, you know.
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00:12:48.159Rob Roskop lived on our street, what Minkster was uh one of our boys.
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00:12:55.919Like it was just it was so ingrained in our group that it's it's hard to see from within, but what was what was going on at the moment, too?
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00:13:05.840And then TR was filming it all, and both he was filming all the surfing and the skating and the video and the stills and the magazines, and it was just happening.
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00:13:08.320It was like I remember that era when he was living on 34th.
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00:13:09.279He had a ramp in his face.
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00:13:11.679Wally was ripping at both.
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00:13:15.840Yeah, you know, he was ripping at skating and surfing and filming it, documentary.
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00:13:19.200I mean, it was like the Stessic of Santa Cruz or something, you know.
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00:13:20.159It was for sure.
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00:13:21.120It still is, you know.
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00:13:22.960No doubt, and he still kills it.
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00:13:26.559Uh Mixter lived on 35th, Booker lived on 33rd.
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00:13:27.360Really?
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00:13:29.679TR lived on 34th.
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00:13:33.919It was just every street.
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00:13:35.519It was Adam, you're right though.
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00:13:41.120The thing about it too is like that's the philosophical thing to think about is I think the word is nostalgia.
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00:13:42.960You can't have nostalgia when you're in it.
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00:13:44.799You know, you don't you can't like that's life.
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00:13:47.600You can't appreciate as much when you're in the middle of it.
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00:13:48.799You're just having a good time.
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00:13:54.320And it's not until like a little bit of distance goes between you, you're like, oh shit, that was the time.
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00:13:59.279You don't know it when when you're 18, 19, 21, or even younger and you're in it.
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00:14:06.320The daily goal is just to be in it, not not analyze it, not to think about what does this mean and the big scope of everything.
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00:14:07.759We knew we had it good here.
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00:14:10.320We knew it was a really good time to live in this town.
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00:14:23.600Um, but I don't think there's not enough of us that are are that there's certain moments, you know, that you say, like, I've got it really good, but you still don't, you know, you still don't have that full realization of how good you had it until a little time goes by.
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00:14:24.240Retrospective.
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00:14:28.399You nailed it when you said because it was multiple things that were pinnacling right then.
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00:14:32.320It was not just surf and it was not just skate, and it was music.
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00:14:37.360It was the punk rock, end of the punk rock era, the end of the new wave era.
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00:14:39.600There was reggae, there was reggae shows.
00:14:39.759 -->
00:14:40.320You know what I mean?
00:14:40.399 -->
00:14:43.120It was just like nut the whole town was nuts all the time.
00:14:43.279 -->
00:14:43.679Yeah.
00:14:43.919 -->
00:14:44.559Yeah.
00:14:44.799 -->
00:14:46.879And like Craig said, there was parties.
00:14:46.960 -->
00:14:57.840I remember me and Craig climbing on a police piece of plywood and going down the hill at this party and took the gnarliest slam, probably one of the gnarliest slams of my life.
00:14:58.080 -->
00:15:00.879It was like going 100 miles an hour and a big fly trendy.
00:15:01.279 -->
00:15:04.559Like a just a you know, huge hill.
00:15:05.519 -->
00:15:05.840Yeah.
00:15:06.240 -->
00:15:07.840Now we go to the day in the life later.
00:15:08.000 -->
00:15:12.240That's just but also too, but like being young, it's like things are so fresh.
00:15:12.559 -->
00:15:12.879Exactly.
00:15:13.440 -->
00:15:14.320That time of flying.
00:15:14.480 -->
00:15:14.720Yeah.
00:15:14.879 -->
00:15:15.039Yeah.
00:15:15.440 -->
00:15:15.840Age-wise.
00:15:16.000 -->
00:15:17.200Yeah, there's fresh.
00:15:17.360 -->
00:15:28.799But there, you know, the point I've went what I remember is like when I was a Grom coming to the point, and it was during that era, and there was all alleys and they were all dirt, and people hung out there, you know.
00:15:28.879 -->
00:15:36.159I mean, and it was it was dirty and grimy, and the the point market was like there was stuff growing out of shit in the middle of the market, you know.
00:15:36.240 -->
00:15:37.039It was it was an art.
00:15:37.440 -->
00:15:38.159Yeah, it was core.
00:15:38.399 -->
00:15:40.000And the sewer house not like that anymore.
00:15:40.320 -->
00:15:58.480Stinkhouse had in Capitola, you know, you'd climb up on the stink house and you know from El Toro Bravo and watch the surf, or you'd hang out at the trees at the in the roots at the end of the hook, you know, at the at 41st there, and just sit there and just you know, critique everybody in between sessions.
00:15:58.559 -->
00:16:03.440And you know, and when I was a Grom, it was like Tola against the point kind of, you know.
00:16:05.360 -->
00:16:09.200Yeah, it's not even less than a driveway in the western odds.
00:16:11.440 -->
00:16:22.639It's like, you know, but you'd go up there, you'd go up there and you'd be oh, you'd see Rome Dog or Darren or some, you know, some of those guys, and they'd be like, chapital, yeah, right, go fair.
00:16:24.000 -->
00:16:25.279Either this and that.
00:16:25.600 -->
00:16:26.480So classic.
00:16:26.720 -->
00:16:30.480Just heckled, getting heckled, you know, and you know, it's it was funny.
00:16:31.440 -->
00:16:32.240It was a lot of fun.
00:16:32.480 -->
00:16:36.080So who are all the it's worth mentioning all the toller rats, you know.
00:16:36.240 -->
00:16:43.120And the demons and the Heinan and TR and Matt Douglas and David Douglas and Surgeons.
00:16:43.360 -->
00:16:47.440Yeah, the Sodermists or Matt Lansern and Greg Jeff Lamsom.
00:16:48.799 -->
00:16:49.120Desma.
00:16:49.679 -->
00:16:49.919Oh yeah.
00:16:51.600 -->
00:16:51.840Yeah.
00:16:52.080 -->
00:16:57.120Because I've just heard stories in TR and Meekster, and I mean I've just heard of any stories.
00:16:57.200 -->
00:16:59.279I wasn't really around for that.
00:16:59.519 -->
00:17:01.759But Jason Booker, the Lancet.
00:17:02.559 -->
00:17:05.599Oh, the Long Morgan Larson, yeah.
00:17:07.119 -->
00:17:08.480And the Capitola classic.
00:17:08.720 -->
00:17:09.440Brian Rule.
00:17:10.160 -->
00:17:16.319Yeah, I remember watching that thing.
00:17:16.640 -->
00:17:17.519Judy Lama.
00:17:19.680 -->
00:17:21.359Wind Wave and Wheel.
00:17:21.599 -->
00:17:22.720Yeah, I remember Wind Wave.
00:17:23.279 -->
00:17:24.240A little surf shack down.
00:17:24.480 -->
00:17:25.440Oh, how about Lonnie?
00:17:25.920 -->
00:17:26.559Remember Lonnie?
00:17:26.880 -->
00:17:29.279He was a killer gay board, he was an incredible artist, too.
00:17:29.519 -->
00:17:29.839Yeah.
00:17:30.079 -->
00:17:30.400Yeah.
00:17:31.119 -->
00:17:31.759Surge.
00:17:32.720 -->
00:17:38.400And then there was the other guy, the kind of lamboyant guy that surfed at Bombora.
00:17:38.880 -->
00:17:39.200Yeah.
00:17:39.359 -->
00:17:40.720What was his name?
00:17:40.960 -->
00:17:42.480I forget that guy.
00:17:42.720 -->
00:17:44.319Like, he was classic, though.
00:17:44.400 -->
00:17:49.759He was cool, but he's just a little like the loafers, I guess, for for the for the those days.
00:17:49.839 -->
00:17:51.519It was like, that's weird.
00:17:51.680 -->
00:17:52.000Yeah.
00:17:52.160 -->
00:17:53.359Now it's like, so what?
00:17:53.599 -->
00:17:54.240It's tall.
00:17:55.039 -->
00:17:58.079I mean, like, I know it's different times, but are they like toll rat?
00:17:58.400 -->
00:17:58.960Oh, yeah, sure.
00:17:59.119 -->
00:18:03.599They're well, there's gotta be just another group that thinks it's the best time of their life, and then they're a capital.
00:18:04.079 -->
00:18:08.640Well, I mean, actually, there's a huge down there and their parents drop them off and they hit chips and they do the things.
00:18:09.039 -->
00:18:12.960Well, there's a huge cast of uh of junior lifeguards down there now.
00:18:13.039 -->
00:18:17.440I mean, the junior lifeguards has taken over every single beach from here to who knows where.
00:18:17.599 -->
00:18:23.920They're everywhere now because there's so many more people and kids, and it's pretty cool, you know, to see all the kids doing their thing down there.
00:18:24.000 -->
00:18:25.440But that's a good point, Adam.
00:18:25.519 -->
00:18:30.640It's like that that's the thing that's first sign of I call it the Peter Pan effect in life.
00:18:30.720 -->
00:18:39.839And it could be with anything, which is you singularly think that you had it a certain way, and you can't recognize that those kids are now in that way.
00:18:40.000 -->
00:18:42.640And when they wake up, they're chasing the same thing.
00:18:42.720 -->
00:18:45.039They're they're basically Nelly films some of these kids.
00:18:45.119 -->
00:18:50.880There are crews, and there's definitely you know, crews that that you know um are running around right now.
00:18:51.119 -->
00:18:53.440You can only exist in the world that you exist in right now.
00:18:53.599 -->
00:18:57.359And the thing that's different, this is where I really have hope for this culture in particular.
00:18:57.440 -->
00:19:04.559I'm talking about in particular the surf culture, which you know is is the macro, the micro, is the skate culture that's underneath it.
00:19:04.720 -->
00:19:12.240Um there's there's a unique aspect to this town in particular, which is connectivity through mentorship, connectivity through stories.
00:19:12.400 -->
00:19:13.920You know, the surfing's weird.
00:19:14.319 -->
00:19:23.680Surfing's the only sport I can really think of that you can have an equitable conversation with a 13-year-old with a 45-year-old, you know, and it and it lands.
00:19:23.759 -->
00:19:24.960It's not white noise.
00:19:25.119 -->
00:19:27.680It is different than a lot of a lot of times when you're talking to a kid.
00:19:27.839 -->
00:19:29.279I coach football for 20 years.
00:19:29.440 -->
00:19:35.200It's very hard to connect sometimes with a 14-year-old on X's and O's and schemes and things like that, because you're just an adult.
00:19:35.279 -->
00:19:39.279You're just, you're just that, you know, it's like that peanuts cartoon with, you know, they make it Charlie Brown's parents.
00:19:39.440 -->
00:19:40.079Charlie Brown's parents.
00:19:40.160 -->
00:19:41.039Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.
00:19:41.359 -->
00:19:46.799But when I'm with Nellie and we do some of these interviews with some of these kids, um, they're engaged, they're locked in.
00:19:46.960 -->
00:19:59.200And then you talk about them getting some you know, advice from Homer, they're getting expiced from Flea, you know, like um that's where I do have a little bit of hope as far as whatever that means, um, that it's passed down more in this culture.
00:19:59.279 -->
00:20:01.759And I'll we'll go around the table, you know, and talk about it.
00:20:01.920 -->
00:20:03.279Do you feel the same way about it?
00:20:03.440 -->
00:20:10.160Like as far as you know, the a connection between generations in this culture more so than other fields.
00:20:10.799 -->
00:20:25.119Well, I mean, me and Chris were just talking about like when when you get the hook it for surfing, you know, when you discover surfing, it's like your whole wall's full of cutouts of surf pictures, and you are just like that's all you can think about.
00:20:25.200 -->
00:20:26.400Yeah, you know what I mean?
00:20:26.640 -->
00:20:46.400So the so and then and then now, I mean, I haven't surfed like that in a long time, but all my drawings are still surf, you know, all my thoughts are still surf, all my my heart's at the ocean all the time, you know, and with my friends that's you know, it's all still bright and shiny, you know what I mean?
00:20:46.720 -->
00:20:53.680And uh I'm looking forward to getting back out into the water with the same enthusiasm I had when I first got the hook in me.
00:20:53.759 -->
00:20:54.640That's all you know what I mean.
00:20:55.039 -->
00:21:05.680And it's just like once you stop, you it's hard to like not have that, you know, in you, you know, because surfing to me is the most incredible sport.
00:21:07.279 -->
00:21:11.119Not even a sport, it's just a way of life that there is, you know.
00:21:11.279 -->
00:21:12.240I mean, waves.
00:21:12.400 -->
00:21:13.200How can you eat?
00:21:13.440 -->
00:21:16.319You know, it's not like you're running around a baseball field or something.
00:21:17.039 -->
00:21:18.799Yeah, waves are insane.
00:21:18.960 -->
00:21:20.079Yeah, and they're rare.
00:21:20.400 -->
00:21:23.680They're different every time, they're straight out of nature.
00:21:23.839 -->
00:21:35.680You know, anybody who's ever gotten a good barrel knows how the sound, the the I mean, it's it's this you're you're in the now.
00:21:35.920 -->
00:21:42.640Now you're you're you're you know, there's no other moment going on, which is where we all really want to be in the first place and the last place.
00:21:42.880 -->
00:21:45.119It sits right under the surface on your skin.
00:21:45.359 -->
00:21:49.759And and so I mean, it puts you in the now right now, every time.
00:21:50.400 -->
00:21:51.920You know, it enforces it on you.
00:21:52.079 -->
00:21:54.240It it's it's and it's beautiful.
00:21:54.480 -->
00:22:10.000Yeah, you know, I mean uh the the places you go to get to surf, like when I first went to Indo or you know, Hawaii, but Indo especially when I first pulled up to like macaronies or something, when it was just donging or uh treasure island, it was just like, what the hell?
00:22:10.079 -->
00:22:16.960I get to go surf that that's just jump off the boat and paddle into a movie, yeah, for sure, you know.
00:22:17.119 -->
00:22:19.200And it's just uh you can't beat it.
00:22:19.359 -->
00:22:20.400You can't beat it, you know.
00:22:20.559 -->
00:22:30.640And it's like everybody loves an ocean view, even if it's flat, you know, but when it's pumping, I mean the energy of the ocean is so overwhelming.
00:22:30.799 -->
00:22:32.960Like when there's swell, you guys know all this.
00:22:33.039 -->
00:22:38.000It's like the energy you get just from the ocean pulsing like that.
00:22:38.160 -->
00:22:39.200It's it's amazing.
00:22:39.359 -->
00:22:43.119And you see people that don't even surf all gathering around to check the waves, right?
00:22:43.279 -->
00:22:47.599To check the ocean, to get the energy from Mother Earth that's coming in, you know what I mean?
00:22:47.759 -->
00:22:51.119And it's like, what else do you want?
00:22:51.359 -->
00:22:52.079You know what I mean?
00:22:52.160 -->
00:22:55.039It's just beautiful, it's just infectious energy there.
00:22:55.519 -->
00:22:55.680It is.
00:22:55.759 -->
00:22:57.599And Nelly and I have talked about this before too.
00:22:57.680 -->
00:23:07.440It's I think the overall kind of feeling, you know, if you're the thinking of it as a sport is weather and the planet affect the outcomes of other sports.
00:23:07.599 -->
00:23:09.440In surfing, it is the sport.
00:23:09.680 -->
00:23:11.680It is the sport, gravity, the water.
00:23:11.759 -->
00:23:14.160We're 60% water as humans, you know, like it.
00:23:14.240 -->
00:23:19.519And so it's a connective tissue between not only the you being in the water, we're mostly made of water.
00:23:19.680 -->
00:23:22.079And so I think that's why you feel that certain way.
00:23:22.319 -->
00:23:27.920I think for me, the the best memories of surfing as a kid, and then maybe I did have a little bit of clarity on it.
00:23:28.079 -->
00:23:31.680Sometimes it was just out there talking to my friends when the sun's going down.
00:23:31.839 -->
00:23:39.200It's not necessarily the events that happen, it's the connective tissue of being out there together, even when it's flat, talking.
00:23:39.359 -->
00:23:41.599You know, there's some things that you get out there.
00:23:41.680 -->
00:23:44.720Um, you know, you wonder how much therapy did you get in the water?
00:23:44.960 -->
00:23:51.039How much therapy do you get in the water just paddling out, talking with your friends and therapy?
00:23:51.839 -->
00:23:55.039Green manual dip daily.
00:23:55.519 -->
00:23:56.640Youth youth serum.
00:23:56.880 -->
00:23:57.359Talk to me about that.
00:23:57.759 -->
00:23:58.559He jumps in the water every day.
00:23:58.960 -->
00:23:59.519Pull that mic towards him.
00:23:59.759 -->
00:24:00.079Let's hear it.
00:24:00.319 -->
00:24:01.680Daily manual dip.
00:24:03.680 -->
00:24:05.039Almost a hundred percent.
00:24:05.359 -->
00:24:08.799Just daily manual dips, jump in, you know.
00:24:09.119 -->
00:24:14.880I've done where I've did like you know quite a few years, no matter how cold it is.
00:24:15.200 -->
00:24:15.359Yeah.
00:24:15.519 -->
00:24:16.799Especially back to Tola.
00:24:17.119 -->
00:24:23.119Run down the stairs, jump in, no matter how freezing it is, zapped, zip home, blood.
00:24:23.440 -->
00:24:26.880Um yeah, it's uh it's the healer.
00:24:27.119 -->
00:24:29.200Is it different from riding your bike all over town?
00:24:29.359 -->
00:24:31.680Because both you guys tend to ride your bikes a lot.
00:24:32.000 -->
00:24:41.039And I know that that's good like serotonin and good energy for you, but it is the ice bath theory different than exercise.
00:24:41.359 -->
00:24:46.160Uh yeah, there's something about the uh the the cold death definitely.
00:24:46.480 -->
00:24:57.119The ocean is definitely it's a combination of it all, but that ocean thing is uh pretty much magic.
00:24:57.279 -->
00:24:57.440Yeah.
00:24:57.680 -->
00:25:02.000Well, the salt water washes off all the demons too that you drag around throughout the day.
00:25:02.160 -->
00:25:02.799You know what I mean?
00:25:02.880 -->
00:25:06.799You just come out of the ocean and you go, yeah, refreshed.
00:25:06.960 -->
00:25:07.680You know what I mean?
00:25:07.759 -->
00:25:10.720I've I feel you know, you get high off it.
00:25:10.799 -->
00:25:11.119All right.
00:25:11.200 -->
00:25:13.440You know, like it's like it's it's the most amazing thing ever.
00:25:13.680 -->
00:25:16.000Either it's tropical water or ice cold water.
00:25:16.079 -->
00:25:16.880It doesn't make any difference.
00:25:16.960 -->
00:25:22.880If you're in the ocean water, you jump into that stuff and you come out and you go, it's just perfect.
00:25:23.039 -->
00:25:23.359Yeah.
00:25:23.519 -->
00:25:23.839Right?
00:25:24.079 -->
00:25:24.960I can't pass this up.
00:25:25.039 -->
00:25:29.200That's perfect segue, washing away the demons, um, becoming a different person.
00:25:29.359 -->
00:25:30.160Yeah, Craig.
00:25:30.240 -->
00:25:32.000Um, we just talked about your childhood.
00:25:32.079 -->
00:25:34.400Now I'm sitting at Cruise Iowa, which used to be the Sentinel.
00:25:34.559 -->
00:25:57.519We had lunch last week, and we'll kind of work around, but let's talk about um I want to talk first about you know, you and the transition from this amazing generation to um your career a little bit, you know, as far as that, and just kind of like open it up a little bit, um, you know, for us to kind of understand what your life was after those RAT 80s a little bit.
00:25:58.160 -->
00:26:02.240Well I started tattooing, you know.
00:26:02.319 -->
00:26:04.319My brother bought tattoo equipment.
00:26:04.480 -->
00:26:21.519I had no thought of tattoos ever, and he bought the equipment and mom went to Bali, and then Adam was one of the first ones, and we all just started tattooing, and then it became it was right at the beginning of big tattoo sort of revolution.
00:26:22.079 -->
00:26:24.319There was no tattoo parlors in San Andreas at that time.
00:26:24.640 -->
00:26:27.599There was maybe maybe staircase downtown.
00:26:29.279 -->
00:26:32.240Yeah, and then I started doing it, and then it was just on.
00:26:32.559 -->
00:27:14.400I was just I tattooed at my house for I don't know, 10 years or something, and then got a sh tattoo shop going uh on the east side, and that just took off, you know, and next thing you know, I'm traveling the world doing it, and it lasted for 27 years, you know, three different shops tattooing for you know multiple biker uh organizations throughout the state going to Sturgis, going to Hawaii, going to Alaska, all over the place and doing tattoos, and just you know, I'd just post up, got tattoo stuff, you're in, you know what I mean?
00:27:14.480 -->
00:27:18.240And it was like, you know, the ladies were coming in like left and right.
00:27:19.119 -->
00:27:19.599This is great.
00:27:19.680 -->
00:27:20.640I don't have to go anywhere.
00:27:20.720 -->
00:27:21.599All I do is draw.
00:27:22.079 -->
00:27:22.400Perfect.
00:27:22.480 -->
00:27:22.960I love this.
00:27:23.039 -->
00:27:44.000This is all, you know, and I was surfing a lot, and that got me to Indonesia, you know, and then my mom was living in Thailand, so I'd go to Indonesia and I'd just boat tour and just Uluwatu and Kuda, and then like and I'd go to uh Thailand and spend a month in Thailand with my mom, and I made all these shorts and stuff, you know, and that career was pretty good.
00:27:44.480 -->
00:27:48.559And I've done, you know, my me and my dad had a cabinet shop.
00:27:48.799 -->
00:27:52.640I did salmon fishing and I've and I've always been an artist.
00:27:52.880 -->
00:28:08.240So now, if you want to go into now, it's kind of like I just had to pull my energy back from a lot of things that were going on in my life that were less than par, you know what I mean?
00:28:08.960 -->
00:28:10.000Explain that a little bit.
00:28:10.240 -->
00:28:13.279Uh, you know, substance abuse and things like that.
00:28:13.440 -->
00:28:26.640The partying from the 80s just carried through to uh, you know, to a sort of a you know, just it turned into just like a daily thing where it's not even partying anymore.
00:28:26.720 -->
00:28:36.720It's just like maintenance of drinking and and using substances, uh uh and kind of toiling in the mud, yeah, so to speak, you know.
00:28:36.960 -->
00:28:44.480And like me and me and Green, we were both sort of on the same trajectory of just going, what are we doing?
00:28:44.640 -->
00:28:49.920We're, you know, and we decided one day at my house, we said, hey, look, let's cut this crap out.
00:28:50.079 -->
00:28:56.000We're going to give ourselves a week to, you know, hammer out or taper off or whatever.
00:28:56.319 -->
00:28:58.400Come next Tuesday, we're just we're done.
00:28:58.640 -->
00:29:00.640This wasn't the midnight Tuesday one, was it?
00:29:00.720 -->
00:29:02.640Is that this story that you told me last week?
00:29:02.799 -->
00:29:04.319You said at midnight it's over.
00:29:04.559 -->
00:29:05.599Yeah, this is the same story.
00:29:06.400 -->
00:29:11.759This is the same story because it's it's the end of the that era, you know.
00:29:12.480 -->
00:29:13.680Yeah, we're worried about it.
00:29:13.759 -->
00:29:14.400Enough's enough.
00:29:14.640 -->
00:29:15.440Enough's enough.
00:29:16.000 -->
00:29:17.359Yeah, I'm drinking too.
00:29:17.519 -->
00:29:19.599I tried to do it many times, I'd relapse.
00:29:19.759 -->
00:29:21.519It's just like the same old business.
00:29:21.680 -->
00:29:23.920It's like this is it.
00:29:24.319 -->
00:29:29.440And we said we just as a team said the town is going in.
00:29:31.039 -->
00:29:38.160You know, and it it was you know, it was a lot of just like prime creator just going, okay, guys, you're done.
00:29:38.319 -->
00:29:39.279Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:29:39.440 -->
00:29:42.079You guys are you guys got a bigger mission here.
00:29:42.559 -->
00:29:48.480You had great lives, you had the free will to to spindle it off with your booze and all that stuff.
00:29:48.799 -->
00:29:49.920How long ago was this ish?
00:29:50.240 -->
00:29:54.319This ish was uh September 9th of uh last year.
00:29:54.559 -->
00:29:54.880Wow.
00:29:55.039 -->
00:29:59.680Yeah, so and it's been you know the most amazing.
00:30:00.559 -->
00:30:06.640Year, I feel better than I felt during my best surf session at G Land right now.
00:30:07.279 -->
00:30:09.119Inside, it's coming from the inside out.
00:30:09.200 -->
00:30:13.920You know, I've got this jewelry going that I'm making and this Indian trip that I got going.
00:30:14.000 -->
00:30:19.440And it's just expressions of how good I feel inside, just bursting out, you know.
00:30:19.599 -->
00:30:19.920Yeah.
00:30:20.079 -->
00:30:24.319I mean, I can't even explain how good I feel every single day.
00:30:24.400 -->
00:30:31.359Even the worst parts of the day, I just go, whatever the prime creator's got in store for me, I'm just letting go.
00:30:31.680 -->
00:30:36.319How hard was it letting um so September you said 11th?
00:30:36.559 -->
00:30:37.2799th, 9th.
00:30:37.440 -->
00:30:39.039So September 9th last year.
00:30:39.359 -->
00:30:47.519I always like to kind of broaden these conversations for a lot of a lot of people listen to this, and some of them are all over, and a lot of them are in a different circumstance.
00:30:47.680 -->
00:30:51.920Um what was September 10th through what were the first 30 days like?
00:30:52.880 -->
00:30:56.240You know, like Chris said, he tried to stop it a bunch of times.
00:30:56.319 -->
00:30:56.880I did too.
00:30:56.960 -->
00:30:59.039And it was, you know, some sandbags and stuff.
00:30:59.119 -->
00:31:02.000This time there was nothing to it.
00:31:02.319 -->
00:31:04.319It was done, you're done.
00:31:04.640 -->
00:31:06.079What do you attribute that to?
00:31:06.559 -->
00:31:12.640Um pure source energy.
00:31:13.039 -->
00:31:27.680You know, my my angels, you know, my the prime creator, a legion of angels that have got me out of a million deadly car accidents and all sorts of things that I probably shouldn't be here for, that I sort of just breeze through.
00:31:27.839 -->
00:31:33.599And in retrospect, like we were talking, looking in retrospect, I look and I go, something plucked me out of this.
00:31:33.680 -->
00:31:34.079Yeah.
00:31:34.400 -->
00:31:43.759So, you know, I look at it like it's just that time, and the best is yet to come.
00:31:44.000 -->
00:31:46.319And how far were you in it?
00:31:46.400 -->
00:31:48.960Because these guys talk about like you just weren't in the scene for a while.
00:31:49.039 -->
00:31:54.400They sounds like you weren't around for a while in the normal uh social circles.
00:31:54.720 -->
00:31:55.920I was just toiling in the mud.
00:31:56.000 -->
00:31:58.559I was doing artwork and just doing drugs and drinking all day.
00:31:58.720 -->
00:32:06.640Yeah, you know, and I worked at Gray Bears for about six years, and I lived in the back doing condensing styrofoam.
00:32:06.799 -->
00:32:07.440Yep.
00:32:07.759 -->
00:32:09.440And I just lived back there.
00:32:09.519 -->
00:32:15.359I was the night guy, did all the maintenance around there and drove all the trucks and got them through the COVID thing.
00:32:15.440 -->
00:32:20.319And I was, you know, there, but I was just, it was like fully self-contained.
00:32:20.480 -->
00:32:23.680And uh, you know, I was just getting loaded back there most of the time.
00:32:23.839 -->
00:32:25.920They didn't know, but I, you know, that's what I was doing.
00:32:26.160 -->
00:32:28.319No, dog, were you seeing them much during this time or no?
00:32:28.559 -->
00:32:39.359No, but I was gonna interject and say, like, when I was hanging out with Craig and what a lot, and he was shaping all my boards and shooting photos and surfing and skating, like we were both sober during that time.
00:32:39.440 -->
00:32:41.839This is 25, 30 years ago.
00:32:42.240 -->
00:32:49.839And you know, we had this like amazing friendship and amazing relationship.
00:32:50.640 -->
00:32:57.279And you know, when one person's partying and another person's not, you kind of drift apart, and so we drifted apart.
00:32:57.519 -->
00:32:58.319For your own sobriety.
00:32:58.559 -->
00:33:00.000We still loved each other, you know what I mean?
00:33:00.079 -->
00:33:06.799And so then when I saw him again, actually somebody came and told me they said Craig's sober, and I was like, What?
00:33:07.119 -->
00:33:08.799Fucking serious, yeah.
00:33:09.039 -->
00:33:11.039You know, the long time coming.
00:33:11.119 -->
00:33:16.000Yeah, and then they told me Bear was sober as well and that they were doing it together, and I was like, wow.
00:33:16.160 -->
00:33:18.079Like that, you know, I mean, that just doesn't happen.
00:33:18.240 -->
00:33:18.400No.
00:33:18.720 -->
00:33:25.920Bear, pull that mic over a little bit because I want you to because I I just think it's so fundamentally important that we blow by this, and I think a lot of people are in trouble sometimes.
00:33:26.079 -->
00:33:36.079And I think they they hear the other side of the story, and Craig, and we're gonna go to Bear here, but I think they hear this thing like, I'm stoked, I'm riding my bike around, I figured it out, I've got this spiritual awakening.
00:33:36.240 -->
00:33:38.000It sounds too fucking easy, you know.
00:33:38.079 -->
00:33:40.160And then some when you're in it, it's not easy.
00:33:40.240 -->
00:33:44.480And it's good, I think it's good to hear that you came to this point, it was a hard point.
00:33:44.640 -->
00:33:47.599Um, and I I think it is encouraging that you just had the snap.
00:33:47.759 -->
00:33:49.920Was it snap easy for you, Bear, or no?
00:33:50.319 -->
00:33:54.960Quitting my main thing was just drink binge drinking.
00:33:55.039 -->
00:33:55.279Yeah.
00:33:55.680 -->
00:33:56.960All to have a good time, right?
00:33:57.039 -->
00:33:57.279Yep.
00:33:57.680 -->
00:34:01.680And all of a sudden the fun's not over, and I would, you know, binge out.
00:34:01.920 -->
00:34:07.920And quitting was easy, but for how long, or when I say, I'm never gonna do it again.
00:34:08.159 -->
00:34:22.960And then all of a sudden, when that urge would come up about you know, I want to go see music and get buzz or whatever, it's giving into the urge, and that's where every slippy slide thing happens.
00:34:23.280 -->
00:34:28.079But this time around it was like because I've done it enough, just like Greg was saying.
00:34:33.039 -->
00:34:33.840And how are you feeling?
00:34:33.920 -->
00:34:34.480You feeling good?
00:34:34.719 -->
00:34:35.519Oh, I'm feeling great.
00:34:35.679 -->
00:34:36.559Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:38.079 -->
00:34:43.280It's it's it's it in you know, Adam, you on the outside in pull that mic towards you there a little bit.
00:34:43.519 -->
00:34:53.280And you on that outside in, like your connection to these two guys in particular, same as Nelly, where they kind of in and out a little bit, were you stoked when they kind of or what what's your been relationship through this period?
00:34:53.440 -->
00:35:02.000Because now you're talking, if you're saying this was a year ago and we're talking the 80s, um, you we're talking, you know, 30, 40 years now at this point, right?
00:35:02.079 -->
00:35:05.519I mean, we're talking it's um it's getting to be a pretty decent amount of numbers.
00:35:05.599 -->
00:35:07.199That's a lot of time in between.
00:35:07.360 -->
00:35:10.320What's your relationship been with these guys over that period of time?
00:35:10.400 -->
00:35:13.199And then the is there has there been a reconnection recently?
00:35:13.920 -->
00:35:18.159Well, when you see when you see each other around town, it's like you just pick up where you left off.
00:35:18.320 -->
00:35:18.480Yeah.
00:35:18.960 -->
00:35:22.320Whatever they're doing on their on their on their personal time is up to now.
00:35:22.559 -->
00:35:34.400Um Chris's mom was my teacher in high school too, so I was um I was around um Sarah Green a long time, uh, and she had a lot of patience with us, so obviously she was probably extremely patient repair.
00:35:34.960 -->
00:35:41.280Uh but we uh we are all sort of on our own path, and we all have sort of our own struggles.
00:35:41.360 -->
00:35:49.519So and these guys are really honest about what they do, and so it's it's different than having a friend that's you know hiding everything they're doing.
00:35:49.679 -->
00:35:51.599You see someone and they go, Hey, we're I've been on a bad one.
00:35:51.679 -->
00:35:53.039Are you gonna also too?
00:35:53.199 -->
00:35:57.199I would when I was on one of my drinking rolls and uh the money ran out.
00:35:57.360 -->
00:35:59.360This guy would definitely float.
00:36:01.360 -->
00:36:02.960No questions asked.
00:36:03.760 -->
00:36:06.480There's no yeah, there's there's no doubt about it.
00:36:06.800 -->
00:36:14.719It was it I I kind of get the impression that people would think that we're just like, you know, it wasn't like we were you know laying around in the opium bins.
00:36:15.119 -->
00:36:15.519You know what I mean?
00:36:15.599 -->
00:36:18.400It was like we're partying, we're still producing that's not what it is.
00:36:18.559 -->
00:36:19.119I totally agree with you.
00:36:19.280 -->
00:36:19.920It's not what it looks like.
00:36:20.000 -->
00:36:35.119I think what it's not is I mean there was people, there's people like in dire straits that are straight junkies, you know, with the needles and all that kind of stuff that are really like you'd look at that and you'd go, well, that's the bottom line.
00:36:35.280 -->
00:36:46.000And I never put myself in that position, but I was consistently using, but I was always being creative and I'm cruising around and doing things and being productive and blah, blah, blah.
00:36:46.079 -->
00:36:53.519But it was, it would, it would keep you limited to you're never really gonna get past this point while you're doing this stuff, right?
00:36:53.679 -->
00:37:02.880You know, it you can be as creative as you want and do all this stuff, but it's always gonna keep you at a certain zone, you know, where it's like uh stuck, you know.
00:37:03.039 -->
00:37:11.519So, but once you pull your energy back from that, and it's it's not easy, but it was easy this time because we were done.
00:37:11.679 -->
00:37:13.280Yeah, you know, we were just done.
00:37:13.440 -->
00:37:16.400But I could go to I could go to Dunlop's donuts at five in the morning, right?
00:37:16.480 -->
00:37:16.639Yeah.
00:37:16.719 -->
00:37:27.760And I would see Craig skateboarding at the crack of dawn, it's sort of dark out still on a on a skateboard that like a major engineer in the skating world should look at and go, wow, how do you how do you put that thing?
00:37:28.079 -->
00:37:28.400Yeah.
00:37:28.559 -->
00:37:36.880Um, it was like a carver skate with it probably weighed 40 pounds with like bunches of levers and springs and all kinds of stuff.
00:37:37.039 -->
00:37:46.480Um, so when you would run into people and and they're still being really creative and still uh doing like genius stuff, yeah, you just gotta sort of go, Well, 100%.
00:37:47.360 -->
00:37:48.559I gotta disagree.
00:37:48.800 -->
00:37:49.119Okay.
00:37:50.320 -->
00:37:56.400Just because yes, you saw Craig skating, but there was zero chance Craig was gonna go surfing that day.
00:37:56.719 -->
00:38:00.559And there was years where you didn't surf, and I know how much you love surfing.
00:38:00.800 -->
00:38:03.920So although you were still creative.
00:38:05.599 -->
00:38:06.960Now you're really creative.
00:38:07.119 -->
00:38:11.599And this last year, the real creativity is coming out.
00:38:11.920 -->
00:38:16.480Yeah, well, it's it's the internal shine, it's it's all inside.
00:38:16.719 -->
00:38:17.360It's the shine.
00:38:17.599 -->
00:38:42.159It's all inside, and now it's it's pouring out, and it's it's interesting because this whole summer has been the most amazing summer of synchronicities and really amazing meetings with reconnecting with a lot of friends like Dave and Chris and and and Adam and just a lot of people from the past, my mom, my daughter, people I don't even know.
00:38:42.239 -->
00:38:45.840I'm meeting every day, just ride around on my bike, just glowing.
00:38:46.000 -->
00:38:46.159Yep.
00:38:46.320 -->
00:38:54.000You know, and it's so cool to be able to not feel insecure.
00:38:54.639 -->
00:39:04.239That was the thing I was gonna say right now, and um such a good conversation because um it's limited when you're younger how much experience you have in this with friends, family, things like that.
00:39:04.320 -->
00:39:06.880And you've got people that just aren't here anymore because of these things.
00:39:06.960 -->
00:39:08.559You know, like my cousin Sloan's just gone.
00:39:08.639 -->
00:39:09.920We've talked about that before.
00:39:10.159 -->
00:39:11.920The the reality is you're exactly right.
00:39:12.000 -->
00:39:16.639It's not this stereotypical, you know, there's Craig stand on the corner of Costco looking for food.
00:39:16.800 -->
00:39:17.280It's not that.
00:39:17.360 -->
00:39:18.719You're still creative, you're still working.
00:39:18.800 -->
00:39:20.639What Dave's getting at is what I agree with.
00:39:20.719 -->
00:39:23.920It's a slow turning out of the light of your life social.
00:39:24.320 -->
00:39:25.599It's a slow dial down.
00:39:26.079 -->
00:39:38.239Yes, you're still doing all of it, but a lot of times, since you don't feel a certain way about yourself, you don't want to be around your old friends necessarily, not super stoked to, you know, reach out to and say, let's hang out today or let's do this.
00:39:38.400 -->
00:39:45.280Um, and and eventually what you do is you're just sort of dimming that light on your entire life that you were supposed to have till you're gone.
00:39:45.440 -->
00:39:51.440And I think that's more of an idea of how it looks, you know, I mean, that than a super obvious, oh my God, look at it.
00:39:51.599 -->
00:40:07.039Okay, Craig, it's I I don't think anybody thinks that, but I think the thing, you know, the the message you want to get out is that um it is it is an absolute I think of like those horror movies where there's like you know, at the end of it, the the the ghost and has always been on their back and it's weighing them down.
00:40:07.119 -->
00:40:10.480Yeah, nobody can see it, but it's there on their shoulders and it's pulling them down.
00:40:10.639 -->
00:40:11.360That's addiction.
00:40:11.519 -->
00:40:12.079Yeah, yeah.
00:40:12.239 -->
00:40:13.039And it's the demons.
00:40:13.199 -->
00:40:16.079It's the demons talking about the ones you can wash off in the ocean.
00:40:16.159 -->
00:40:19.840And that's why I wasn't going in because the demons had me, you know what I mean?
00:40:20.079 -->
00:40:26.559And it would be like, okay, uh here, I'm gonna give you some more crappy things that you can decide to do.
00:40:26.719 -->
00:40:35.199And uh because you're already inebriated with other stuff, you're probably gonna do half of them, and then it's gonna turn the did the dimmer down a little more and a little more, and they're just hoping you just perish.
00:40:35.360 -->
00:40:35.840It's exactly it.
00:40:35.920 -->
00:40:41.039They're hoping it just ends you, and you know, so now it's like you take your power back and you start turning that dial up.
00:40:41.280 -->
00:40:41.519That's it.
00:40:41.679 -->
00:40:44.159Turning that dial up, turning that dial up, and you're doing it.
00:40:44.320 -->
00:40:45.519Totally, you know, yep.
00:40:45.679 -->
00:40:50.480You're doing it, and everyone else is doing it because everyone else is you doing it.
00:40:50.800 -->
00:40:54.239Janelli's radar went up because we all have it again, family, friends like that.
00:40:54.400 -->
00:41:02.400I'm sure knowing him a little bit now, but the radar goes up when somebody starts talking about how um, and not even somebody, how much they were coping with being fucked up.
00:41:02.559 -->
00:41:07.199It's so it's the the number one warning sign of like when you're in it, you're saying, I'm killing it.
00:41:07.280 -->
00:41:10.559You know, on some level, um, you're not, you know, you're not.
00:41:10.639 -->
00:41:21.360And but I want to kind of, as we wind time here, and this is can go on for two hours if we wanted it, but I want to walk up to 1988, see Craig in the street, and tell him I'd be sitting inside the Sentinel.
00:41:21.440 -->
00:41:25.280It's like a Jetsons episode, inside the Sentinel office lobby area.
00:41:25.360 -->
00:41:26.239This used to be.
00:41:26.320 -->
00:41:30.960Um, you're in a headdress, you've got you're bejeweled right now, and you've had this awakening.
00:41:31.119 -->
00:41:32.880How does that happen, dude?
00:41:33.840 -->
00:41:36.159Remember, you're talking to 1988 Craig.
00:41:36.400 -->
00:41:37.4401988, Craig?
00:41:37.679 -->
00:41:40.800I'd be going, dude, get that crack pipe out of your mouth.
00:41:46.880 -->
00:41:51.840Well, tell us about it, because we talked about it last week, but I think it'd be really good for the listeners to know, like, because it's a very cool story.
00:41:52.159 -->
00:41:55.199You and I had that hard conversation about appropriation and things like that.
00:41:55.360 -->
00:41:56.079This isn't that.
00:41:56.239 -->
00:41:58.239This is you finding your path out, right?
00:41:58.480 -->
00:42:04.800Well, in 1988, I was actually living in Hermosa Beach, and I had a cabinet shop with my dad.
00:42:04.960 -->
00:42:05.280Okay.
00:42:05.519 -->
00:42:12.239And I was it was I was down there because I had all sorts of court problems going on up here.
00:42:12.639 -->
00:42:24.239And uh I was working at the Bandstand restaurant and the Shadowbrook restaurant, and I was selling blow and I got busted doing that at the Shadowbrook, and then I got fired.
00:42:24.320 -->
00:42:26.400And then I had all these court dates going on.
00:42:26.559 -->
00:42:36.800And me and my grandpa went down to the courthouse and I was on the thing about 11 times, and it was just a bunch of nonsense, nothing criminal, but it was just like stupid stuff that had stacked up on me.
00:42:36.960 -->
00:42:41.440And I just, I just called my dad and I go, let's can I can I come live with you, dad?
00:42:41.519 -->
00:42:45.119And he lived down in Hermosa and yeah, and uh he said, Well, sure.
00:42:45.199 -->
00:42:48.559Because I didn't really know him that good, and I wanted to get to know him, you know.
00:42:48.719 -->
00:43:04.400So anyway, I was down there in '88 and uh I was down there for five years, and I was looking at the surf mags down there, and I kept seeing Adam and all these Steve Price and Machado, all these guys in the mag, and I'm like, man, I gotta get back home, you know.
00:43:04.639 -->
00:43:18.239But at that point, you know, it was kind of that whole colors, colors, crack dilemma, crips and blood stuff going on, and it was, you know, I was still surfing a lot, but I was just getting, you know, that was a gnarly time.
00:43:18.320 -->
00:43:19.360Yeah, Dave knows.
00:43:19.440 -->
00:43:22.239I mean, it was a heavy time to escape.
00:43:22.480 -->
00:43:35.760And uh so then I came back up here and bought a 66-point hat Catalina blue steel, but you know, I don't know.
00:43:35.920 -->
00:43:46.320I I had an amazing life, even through all that abuse, and I can I wouldn't trade it in for anything because of where I'm at right now.
00:43:46.800 -->
00:43:54.960And like we were talking about in retrospect, I look back and see that all that stuff counts in order to be where I'm at right now.
00:43:55.119 -->
00:44:30.079And I feel like you know, all summer they've been working on the 2025 Apollo fucking mission thing, and that's me, and I've been doing it, and finally now with this podcast and reconnecting with my bros and my family, they just pressed a button to finally get the rocket boosters going, just starting to go, and the thing's just gonna blast off into you know into the atmosphere, you know what I mean, and ripple across the universe with love and authenticity.
00:44:30.239 -->
00:44:30.639That's it.
00:44:30.800 -->
00:44:31.679You know what I mean?
00:44:32.000 -->
00:44:36.800Absolute love is how I feel inside, you know.
00:44:36.960 -->
00:44:45.039And for my birthday down at Black's Beach, when we had a little bonfire, I asked spirits for authenticity, love, and truth and honesty.
00:44:45.119 -->
00:44:47.519And it just keeps putting, you know, it'll just give it to you.
00:44:47.599 -->
00:44:53.599Whatever you ask for, you get it, you know, and I feel that the world is recalibrating itself.
00:44:54.159 -->
00:45:01.039The people are recalibrating into a 12-strand DNA from the 10th, from carbon-based to light-based.
00:45:01.199 -->
00:45:03.039It's happening whether you like it or not.
00:45:03.280 -->
00:45:06.320The world's recalibrating, we're all connecting.
00:45:06.480 -->
00:45:26.320The universe is putting the chess pieces together to steadily flow, ride the wave into this new earth that we're gonna take back from this crummy centuries of being oppressed by the money thing, the politics thing, and all these idiots that inside us we know isn't right.
00:45:26.480 -->
00:45:26.639Yeah.
00:45:26.960 -->
00:45:28.639Wars and nonsense.
00:45:28.800 -->
00:45:29.920Absolute nonsense.
00:45:30.079 -->
00:45:31.039Nobody wants that stuff.
00:45:31.360 -->
00:45:41.199Yeah, Adam and I were talking before we went on air that, you know, the and that's a perfect way to kind of talk about it, that these are all narratives that were created by humans.
00:45:41.360 -->
00:45:46.239Like every single thing you're talking about right there is a collected narrative that people believe in.
00:45:46.400 -->
00:45:50.159It can be it can be money, it can be religious institutions, government.
00:45:50.320 -->
00:45:53.599That's all sort of something somebody made up in a group of people believed in.
00:45:53.760 -->
00:46:02.800My thought on that is like we can also uh so we are subjected to these, we're subjected to speed limits, we're subjected to taxes, we're subjected to all of these things from narratives that are created.
00:46:02.960 -->
00:46:06.960But the one thing about it we forget in there is like we have equal power to create our own narratives.
00:46:07.199 -->
00:46:10.079We have the same standing to create our own life narrative.
00:46:10.239 -->
00:46:21.599And I think that's where I'm looking across at an Indian, and I think that's one where along with your sobriety, like we talked about, I think you're choosing all these are chapters, right?
00:46:21.679 -->
00:46:23.760These are chapters of the things we talked about today.
00:46:23.840 -->
00:46:25.360It's all chapters in this book.
00:46:25.519 -->
00:46:29.360You have your own book, everybody has their own book, and we're taking out these little bitty chapters.
00:46:29.599 -->
00:46:35.199But you in particular, I think, are are writing, you know, and Bear are writing a new book, right?
00:46:35.280 -->
00:46:38.079And you're writing this book because it doesn't mean that don't they don't exist.
00:46:38.159 -->
00:46:40.559This is just a new version of yourself.
00:46:40.719 -->
00:46:50.320Um, and talk a little bit before we go off air, like we did, we're not to kill too much time, but on this sort of like um this transition, people are gonna see you around, they've seen you around forever.
00:46:50.400 -->
00:46:52.960Now they're seeing you around a bike and you might have a full headdress on.
00:46:53.119 -->
00:46:55.039Talk about that a little bit, how that came.
00:46:55.360 -->
00:46:56.320Creative expression.
00:46:56.480 -->
00:46:57.360Yep, you know what I mean.
00:46:57.519 -->
00:46:58.719It's creative expression.
00:46:58.960 -->
00:47:01.679And uh the the story.
00:47:01.840 -->
00:47:05.039I've been doing the open mic at some of the coffee shops around town.
00:47:05.119 -->
00:47:14.400And I went on the 3rd of July as a cowboy to the one in the coffee shop in Aptos, the California coffee there.
00:47:14.639 -->
00:47:19.199And uh the lady there, super sweet lady, made me a double latte, something or other.
00:47:19.280 -->
00:47:20.960And I don't really do the caffeine that much.
00:47:21.039 -->
00:47:23.039And I was just, my heart was just pounding.
00:47:23.119 -->
00:47:27.519I did the open mic and I went home and I couldn't sleep, and by the morning I was an Indian.
00:47:29.360 -->
00:47:36.960Next thing you know, I'm riding through the Aptos parade with a bunch of Indian flute music going, going, what independence day are we talking about here?
00:47:40.159 -->
00:47:46.639And then and then I ride my bike over to the point and I'm riding through the parade at the point, going, What independence day are we talking about?
00:47:46.800 -->
00:47:50.480Then with chain brakes on my bike, I'm like, shit, I gotta shoot the horse and the leg here.
00:47:50.960 -->
00:47:54.719And so I drop it off at a friend's house and I start walking through town with that stuff.
00:47:55.119 -->
00:48:03.840You know, I go over to my daughter's, I go over to Meeksters, and I'm walking along the boardwalk, and it's funny because I'd I'd walk by these big groups of Indian people from India and I'd look at them, I'd go, Indian.
00:48:04.000 -->
00:48:07.840And they'd look at me and they'd go, yeah, but nah, not that kind, you know.
00:48:08.000 -->
00:48:16.880And uh, and people would look at me and I'd be walking all crowd and and they'd kind of like look up and they'd go, whoa, they'd look away, like, whoa, what what what Indian?
00:48:17.119 -->
00:48:18.159What the hell's going on?
00:48:18.400 -->
00:48:21.599No, and I and I'm having the greatest time.
00:48:21.679 -->
00:48:23.920I pick collected a thousand feathers from the beach.
00:48:24.000 -->
00:48:28.320I make these headdresses, I make these pants, and I make this jewelry.
00:48:28.480 -->
00:48:32.960And my daughter is embarrassed as you can get as a little 11-year-old, you know.
00:48:33.119 -->
00:48:36.960I'm down, I see her down on the, I say, Hey, I'm at the harbor, where are you at?
00:48:37.039 -->
00:48:37.280On the phone.
00:48:37.440 -->
00:48:38.400She goes, I'm downtown.
00:48:38.480 -->
00:48:40.000I go, I'll meet you at John Baduse.
00:48:40.239 -->
00:48:44.800And she goes, Okay, so I come pulling up in the Indian step, and she just looks at me and she goes, Oh shit, he's an Indian.
00:48:44.880 -->
00:48:49.360And he's she starts running down the mall, and I go, That's my wallet, young lady.
00:48:49.440 -->
00:48:50.639That's my wallet.
00:48:55.599 -->
00:48:56.480I go, I gotcha.
00:48:56.880 -->
00:48:57.360It's so good.
00:48:57.599 -->
00:48:58.159So hilarious.
00:48:58.239 -->
00:49:00.000No, she's like, Dad, the Indian thing again.
00:49:00.079 -->
00:49:02.159I'm like, I go, hey man, yeah.
00:49:02.400 -->
00:49:12.960Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, you know, you know, and I've you know, I've had only one encounter with an Indian person that actually was offended by it.
00:49:13.119 -->
00:49:15.280And I just told her I loved her, and it was all good, you know.
00:49:15.679 -->
00:49:17.280I mean, I just said, I love you, you know.
00:49:17.360 -->
00:49:27.119I mean, and all the other people invited me to South Dakota to be in the big gathering that they have, and they said, Hey, look, everybody's been screwed over in this life.
00:49:27.280 -->
00:49:28.320We're all one people.
00:49:28.480 -->
00:49:29.679It is the weapon.
00:49:29.840 -->
00:49:37.280Let's educate ourselves and come through this, you know, because each individual person's energy is huge.
00:49:37.360 -->
00:49:39.920And we've been taught that we're just poor little old me.
00:49:40.000 -->
00:49:40.719What can I do?
00:49:40.800 -->
00:49:42.079Kind of a nonsense, right?
00:49:42.239 -->
00:49:43.360And it's not the way it is.
00:49:43.519 -->
00:49:55.280No, each one of us is a giant energy source that can project our energy and our love throughout the universe, not just from person to person, but you can do it energetically.
00:49:55.440 -->
00:49:55.679Exactly.
00:49:55.840 -->
00:49:56.639Because everything's energy.
00:49:56.719 -->
00:49:56.880Yep.
00:49:57.119 -->
00:49:58.239You know, you can't palpable.
00:49:58.559 -->
00:50:00.639It's it's it's closing.
00:50:01.039 -->
00:50:03.119It's the beauty, it's the beauty of life.
00:50:03.440 -->
00:50:04.000You know what I mean?
00:50:04.239 -->
00:50:05.360Closing thoughts, Nelly.
00:50:05.519 -->
00:50:06.800Uh it's palpable.
00:50:06.880 -->
00:50:07.119Yeah.
00:50:07.360 -->
00:50:14.800But um Craig touched on it for a second, and he's somehow lost all his insecurities.
00:50:14.880 -->
00:50:21.920I don't know if he ever had many, actually, thinking back, but it's really infectious to be around because I do have insecurities.
00:50:22.239 -->
00:50:23.440And I'm very insecure.
00:50:23.599 -->
00:50:32.320And being around people like him and Barney, Adam and Bear, like they they make me feel less insecure because they make me feel good about being me.
00:50:32.480 -->
00:50:32.639Yeah.
00:50:32.800 -->
00:50:33.440You know what I mean?
00:50:34.239 -->
00:50:38.559And I can't get enough.
00:50:39.119 -->
00:50:39.840You know what I mean?
00:50:40.000 -->
00:50:40.239Yeah.
00:50:40.400 -->
00:50:40.559Yeah.
00:50:40.800 -->
00:50:50.639And just listening to them and just listening to all that about love and energy, and you know, I mean, it's just like makes me feel good inside and and what a blessing.
00:50:51.199 -->
00:50:52.239Adam, pull it towards you.
00:50:52.320 -->
00:50:54.800And closing closing thoughts on any of this?
00:50:55.440 -->
00:50:59.920Um, I'm just stoked to have my my buddies back.
00:51:00.000 -->
00:51:08.159I'd say not they've they've never gone anywhere, but to have them back in this form and to be able to um yeah, just to to be alive in this block of time.
00:51:08.239 -->
00:51:12.239We talked about that, you know, the 80s being a good block of time is pretty polarizing time for us.
00:51:12.400 -->
00:51:14.079But right now is as good as it gets.
00:51:14.159 -->
00:51:17.840I think right now we're we're dealing with um some radical things in our life.
00:51:17.920 -->
00:51:22.159But when you're surrounded by really cool people that are back on track and good stuff, it makes you feel good.
00:51:22.400 -->
00:51:23.760How are things going for the shop?
00:51:24.079 -->
00:51:27.199Shop's challenging, but come by YB for a couple boards, I'll sell you a couple.
00:51:27.440 -->
00:51:27.760Where's that?
00:51:27.840 -->
00:51:29.119Tell them where it's out, website and all that.
00:51:31.760 -->
00:51:32.239Or 88.
00:51:32.400 -->
00:51:33.360Yeah, it's on 41st Avenue.
00:51:33.840 -->
00:51:34.639Website up and all that?
00:51:34.800 -->
00:51:37.360Yeah, YB or uhyourboards.com.
00:51:37.440 -->
00:51:39.920We're gonna have a bunch of uh CY's artwork in there.
00:51:40.079 -->
00:51:40.320Right now.
00:51:40.639 -->
00:51:40.960That's right.
00:51:41.119 -->
00:51:41.920We're gonna have some, huh?
00:51:42.159 -->
00:51:43.280Yeah, Maya's artwork in there.
00:51:44.639 -->
00:51:47.039We're gonna get some uh art on some shirts and stuff.
00:51:47.119 -->
00:51:49.119And when the book comes out, we'll have that as well.
00:51:49.360 -->
00:51:51.119Doing a big book on CY it's coming out.
00:51:51.360 -->
00:51:51.679Amazing.
00:51:51.920 -->
00:51:52.559Uh okay.
00:51:52.719 -->
00:51:56.559Pull it towards uh Bear there and Bear, any thoughts on this whole thing, all of it?
00:51:56.800 -->
00:51:58.320Uh good connecting with everybody.
00:51:58.400 -->
00:51:59.119I'm doing great.
00:51:59.280 -->
00:52:00.480Everybody's doing great.
00:52:00.639 -->
00:52:08.960Uh one of our anthems is uh start where you stand and just live in the moment and be all you can be.
00:52:09.199 -->
00:52:13.440And uh Oh, I'm also starting a little podcast coming up.
00:52:13.679 -->
00:52:14.880Right on, we can help you promote it.
00:52:14.960 -->
00:52:15.280What is it?
00:52:15.519 -->
00:52:17.519It's called uh the Regal Peasant Formula.
00:52:17.679 -->
00:52:18.000I love it.
00:52:18.079 -->
00:52:20.079Are you just gonna are you gonna rip that off on your own?
00:52:20.320 -->
00:52:21.039Were you studio?
00:52:21.119 -->
00:52:22.400Are you just gonna do it like from your place?
00:52:22.880 -->
00:52:27.519But a pretty raga, but I have a uh technological wizard.
00:52:27.920 -->
00:52:28.239That's great.
00:52:28.320 -->
00:52:32.000Well, we've got a lot of ways to help you with vibes through our TV network, through the magazine.
00:52:32.159 -->
00:52:40.480Uh part of what we do as a production company is not just this part of it, but if you produce one, you have it done, we've got a way to get eyes on it, you know, through this TV network behind me.
00:52:40.559 -->
00:52:41.360So we'll definitely help you now.
00:52:41.519 -->
00:52:45.920This is rad meeting you, and I look forward to working on this article with you uh for the for the print issue.
00:52:46.239 -->
00:52:57.440I think we got a really good sense of what this could be for this article because I was unsure after the lunch last week, you know, but I do think this hopefully can be like a broader scope of this dude's life, like we kind of finished up there.
00:52:57.599 -->
00:53:00.880Um, not so much the a guy in a headdress driving down Westcliff.
00:53:01.039 -->
00:53:02.480That's the smallest part of it, Craig.
00:53:02.559 -->
00:53:04.320You know, the smallest the journey is the other one.
00:53:04.400 -->
00:53:05.199And this was great.
00:53:05.360 -->
00:53:12.000Nelly, um I'm asking you to circle around again, but any any thoughts that are trigging you outside of the just overall stoke?
00:53:12.320 -->
00:53:20.960Oh well, I was gonna say that I'd like to dedicate this show to uh Tashi, mine and Bear's a really good friend.
00:53:21.280 -->
00:53:21.840Just passed away.
00:53:22.079 -->
00:53:22.880Oh, yeah.
00:53:23.519 -->
00:53:32.719And uh just thanks, Adam, and there and see why, because you guys have had a huge influence on my life.
00:53:32.880 -->
00:53:38.719I'm sure you know that, but just to reiterate it, it's been uh been awesome.
00:53:38.960 -->
00:53:40.239We spent a lot of time together.
00:53:41.199 -->
00:53:41.840All four of us.
00:53:41.920 -->
00:53:51.920And then uh I'm just grateful to have you guys in my life and and uh thanks, boys.
00:53:52.239 -->
00:53:53.360It's great, thank you.
