Evil Dead Burn with Chris Scott from Grindhouse Toys

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Needless Things Podcast. Welcome to the newest
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episode of the Needless Things Podcast. I'm your
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host, Dave West. And what incarnation is this?
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A daytime release? As I mentioned on the last
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episode, I was... Kind of booked up a little
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bit this week. I had a Evil Dead Burn movie review
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with Chris Scott from Grindhouse Toys, which
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is what you're going to be listening to today.
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And in the same day, I recorded a conversation
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with Whiskey Jack Toys, with Darren and Chad,
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about Legends of the Hidden Forest and their
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future plans. And that'll be available Sunday
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in our regular time slot. But I had to talk about
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Evil Dead Burn. and really just had a hankering
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to talk about Evil Dead in general. It's been
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a minute since it's been a topic on the show,
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so it just felt like, you know, I want to have
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a good long conversation, and that's what we
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had. I really enjoyed talking to Chris. We shared
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our memories of Evil Dead in general, had a lot
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of sort of similar shared... thoughts and experiences
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with the movies, and then Evil Dead Burn, we
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did not have quite the same experience with it,
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which is fine because that's what makes for a
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good conversation. So it's going to be a lot
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of fun on this one. This is pure fun. I'm not
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going to get into any politics whatsoever in
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the preamble, even though the disaster is ongoing.
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I'm just going to talk about how this week has
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been a busy one. It's been another busy one.
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We had a great game show meeting Saturday night.
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We got a lot of stuff hashed out. Got everything
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laid out pretty good. Ryan is just killing it
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with the intro video this year. You know, it's
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one of our, it has become a huge thing for us
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to have some kind of special intro video every
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year. And that comes from one year of the late
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night puppet slam at Dragon Con. they had a Star
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Wars -y type intro video. And it just, it made
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everything feel like such a bigger deal. So I've
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adopted that practice for the game show. And
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I will proudly and honestly say that we have
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gone bigger and better than I ever would have
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imagined with all these intro videos. And you
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can find them all on the Big Damn Game Show YouTube
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channel, which is not hugely active. Because
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the game show is pretty much a once a year type
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of thing. You know, that wasn't the intent, but
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that's what it's become. And I'm okay with that
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because it's everything that we can put into
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it. It's the best it can possibly be. So I kind
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of appreciate it for that. But yeah, check out
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the Big Damn Game Show YouTube channel for our
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previous intro videos and some other stuff that
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we've shot, other fun things that we've done.
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So we got that done Saturday. Had a lot of fun,
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just like I said, talking things out, figuring
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out some aspects of the games. I've been working
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on graphics and stuff for it. I did a little
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teaser video for the Panel of Adventure, which
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you'll be able to see probably this weekend.
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I'll probably start posting that, or maybe just
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Friday. I don't know if anybody looks at... social
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media on the weekends. I would love it if everybody
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just stopped using social media entirely. I would
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take whatever minor hit that would be to my views
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and my listens and whatever else, if we could
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just get rid of all of that garbage. But just
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getting a lot of stuff done. Riley had his orientation
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for college. Today, we got that done. We had
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a couple of things that we had to deal with on
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the fly, but we made it happen. And the rest
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of the week, I've just got some business stuff.
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I would like to go see The Odyssey, but I just
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don't really want to go spend three hours in
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a movie theater. And I hate that about myself
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and about, well, no, because I mentioned the
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new movie theater I've been going to, or not
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new, but the movie theater I have started going
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to. That's not bad at all. So it's very low population,
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especially during the day. But just the idea
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of spending three hours in a movie theater, not
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getting anything else done, which I realize is
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a psychosis on my part. But I do have a real
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problem with having to feel like I'm accomplishing
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things at all times. But that's my own problem.
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But I would like to see The Odyssey, and I do
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plan to see it. Maybe I'll go see it tomorrow.
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Maybe I'll just get up in the morning and say,
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fuck it, and go see The Odyssey. I should. I
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should treat my brain to three hours of singular
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focus. That would be nice. I would enjoy that.
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I'm trying to think what else. There's not really
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much else to address here. It's Sunday. I've
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got to save some stuff for Sunday because I'm
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going to have to record an intro then as well,
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and I'm sure I'll have a lot more to talk about.
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I will have maybe a little more. human rights.
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I hate to call it political. A little more human
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rights content. I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
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Depends on what happens in the world of Dave,
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the world of pop culture, Audible Interlude,
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which we had a great live stream Monday. You
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can check out the replay on the Needless Things
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YouTube channel. Oh, that's something I can mention
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real quick. So in the never -ending learning
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process that is my life, a few months ago, I
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decided I was going to start putting all of the
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audio versions of all of the podcasts on the
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YouTube channel, because I figured, why not?
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And they weren't getting a lot of views, but
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I figured it'd just be nice to have everything
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in one place. You know, whether it's video or
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not, at least everybody would, there would be
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one central place to find everything. But they
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weren't getting a lot of views, and I started
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noticing my numbers going down. Not my subscription
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numbers, but just my views and things like that.
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And it was over the course of time, you know,
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it takes a while to recognize a pattern. And
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I realized, like, since I had been doing that,
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it had been negatively affecting my numbers.
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So I made them all unlisted. And within a week,
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my numbers started going back to where they were
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before, actually improving a little bit. But
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I think that also comes with the fact that congratulations
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to me and thank you to all of you, 5 ,000 subscribers
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on the channel now. Needless Things YouTube channel,
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5 ,000 subscribers. Well, we're over 5 ,000 now.
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Let me take a look real quick. I'll give you
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a live update while I'm sitting here. 5 ,006
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subscribers as of now. Pretty good landmark.
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According to a thing I read, was it on Reddit?
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I think that's like the top, only like 5 % of
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YouTube channels have 5 ,000 or more subscribers.
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I don't know if I believe that. Unless there's
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just a billion channels, which I guess there
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probably are. But it's pretty good. I'm pretty
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proud of that. And it's all organic. I never
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consulted with any social media. Here's how to
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pump your numbers up or anything like that. As
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wise as maybe that would have been. I've just
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always wanted everything to be organic and real.
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And I learned something about it one specific
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YouTube channel a couple of weeks ago that just
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left a foul taste in my mouth. And I never want
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to do anything that leaves a foul taste in my
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mouth. I want to feel good about the way I've
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achieved everything I've achieved. And I feel
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like that has perhaps led to me achieving less
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than I could have, but at least I can feel good
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about it all, right? At the end of the day, isn't
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that what we want? To feel good. That pays the
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bills. Anyway, time for a fun conversation. Chris
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and I just hung out for a couple hours talking
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Evil Dead, and it was great. Enjoy. So the newest
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entry in the Evil Dead movie series came out
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last week. I went and saw it Thursday night as
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soon as I possibly could. And watching it, after
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we were done, I was like... I got to talk about
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this. And I think I know the first person that
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I want to talk to about it. And I shot this gentleman
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right here, Chris Scott from Grindhouse Toys.
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I shot you a message and I was like, look, I
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don't know if and when you're going to see Evil
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Dead burn. But once you do, I want to talk about
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it. And your response was. I was, I just literally
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finished it. The credits hadn't even hit yet.
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Like they, or they just started like the after
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credits hadn't hit. So I'm laughing as I checked
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my phone and I'm like, yeah, he knows who he
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knew who to message. Yeah, exactly. There was
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something about it that just struck me as, cause
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we, we had a brief conversation about evil dead
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rise. Um, uh, I think it was at Joe Lanta maybe
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last year. just a real quick exchange about it.
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And, and, but after watching this one, I was
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like, man, I feel like you're the guy to talk
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to. But before we get to evil dead talk, which
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by the way, for anybody watching or listening
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right now, we're going to be talking about all
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the movies, the toys, like all things evil dead,
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but not in like great detail. We're going to
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do kind of overview type stuff, wherever the
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conversation goes, but this is going to be all
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evil dead. And then we'll finish with kind of
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what we thought about evil dead burn. But before
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we get to all that, we've got to get an update.
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Speaking of horror, speaking of gruesome, visceral
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things, what's going on with World War Hell right
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now? Well, it's still going strong. You know,
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we had our newest Czech models. over at joe fest
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we got to show off which was awesome um and man
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they just feel so good like just even being 3d
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printed check models from the factory not actual
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plastic samples yet i i i'm just having a blast
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like playing around with them and you know just
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little things like i was i thought it was so
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funny because uh scott brown from uh he did the
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um he worked on operation recall with um Why
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can't I think of her name right now? Runback.
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He did the concept for Runback. And so he is
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like the master with O -Ring, G .I. Joe's. And
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he just really like goes deep into it. And so
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the other day he did a whole thing on. how everybody
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could sit like vintage joes uh in any o -ring
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figure how do they sit like full -on sit and
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so yeah yeah that's a good that's a good call
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so there's a funny picture i'll have to post
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it but i took the demon from world war hell the
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harbinger of doom without all the gear on no
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steamboat willy costume just full demon you know
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reverse knee legs and everything and he's just
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sitting there he looks like he's just like patting
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right next to him like come on come sit down
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next to me it's so funny uh and so yeah we're
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just just if like based upon that like the articulation
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and everything man people are just going to be
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so blown away and i really can't wait uh for
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everybody to get these well that and that is
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something that we've seen in other modern o -ring
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lines is the initially uh the sitting factor
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is kind of overlooked and i can't remember which
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one and there's no need to name names anyway
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of course but they're what one of the other lines
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their first releases couldn't get that full 90
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degree because the legs didn't move up into the
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crotch piece like quite properly because i get
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it you're looking at so many other things that
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are vital to the functionality of the figure
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that sitting down isn't necessarily one of the
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things you're focused on yeah no you don't think
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about certain things like that too and like you
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said yeah and so that's why i love like know
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confiding into scott or other people too just
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to be like hey what do you think about this you
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know do you have any thoughts um you know you
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can't keep everything just right here because
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yeah you miss stuff you're so excited because
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you know overseeing this and this and this you
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know you want to make sure the toy is the perfect
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thing that you know you can release and so it
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it's very awesome to have good friends that love
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all of this and are as passionate about it as
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you are and you know we don't miss anything well
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and that's huge is is so many of these uh independent
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toy lines are you know at the very least based
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around one person's vision uh and having multiple
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sets of eyes to take a look at what you're doing
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and your work and your progress because i think
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as a creator you can get so focused in sometimes
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that you see you know what you want to see and
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you see it and somebody else needs to come along
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and say yeah but does that elbow do the right
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thing you know like stuff like that yeah Absolutely.
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But yeah, we're going strong and I can't wait
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to have, I'm really hoping maybe we can have
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the test shots by maybe Jolanta. I mean, I wouldn't
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see why not to have the first round of test shots
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by then, which would be amazing because that
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way we will hopefully hold out hope for, you
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know, delivery by the end of the year is what
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my goal is right now. But I also don't want to
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rush. I don't want to be like, well, something's
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a little off here. We'll just send it anyways.
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Like, no, I want these to be perfect. through
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and through. So we're still aiming for the end
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of the year, but it should be pretty good. Well,
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and that's over and over again. I've said this,
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I would rather the product be what it's supposed
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to be than get it by some arbitrary due date.
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You know, we've waited multiple years for some
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of these O -rings and so far they've all been
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worth it. And I would rather have a year or two
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or whatever to wait and get great, exciting product
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than, well, no, we wanted to make sure we got
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it out on time. So the knees don't bend, but
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there's your figure. Yeah, I mean, like this
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is a foundation, you know, like. you know i don't
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know if a lot of people you know think about
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it this way but like especially your first wave
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like you you this is what you're building upon
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that's your that's your parts like library that's
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what you're building everything on top of that
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and you're only as good as that first figure
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and you know why put yourself in a box if you
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if you know just to like you said meet some made
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-up deadline like it's not a big deal like sure
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i want these figures now if i can't have them
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but i also want to make sure the care There's
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so many people who put their heart and souls
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into this. We got to make the perfect toy. Well,
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and also, you know, making the first impression
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with the customer. If your first wave or even
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a couple of figures from your first wave are
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under par, then you set a standard for their
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expectations for you. And going forward, it's
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going to be a lot harder to convince them that,
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you know, they should spend their money on your
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product. Absolutely. And ours being a premium
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figure, like I've always kind of looked at World
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War Hell as kind of like a Mezco level O -Ring
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figure, you know, like a Mezco or a premium type
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figure in the 112th scale, you know, with all
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the accessories, all the paint apps, all the
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stuff that we're doing in the O -Ring form factor.
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Like you want something that's $20, $25, you
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can get Super 7 or some of the other figure lines,
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which are great. And I collect a lot of that
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stuff as well. But I want to make sure you get
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that. that value for what you're you know you're
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putting a lot of money into it you know like
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i sit here sometimes when i'm buying like a classified
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or something i'm like oh it's 40 bucks now for
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this or that and i'm like oh man my figures are
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39 but i don't want you to ever i don't want
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you to ever think that oh man like i spent 40
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bucks on this like i want it to be worth it and
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that's why the whole packaging thing was so important
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too is like i want everybody to be like this
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is the coolest thing before they even open it
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but then As soon as you open it, you're like,
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wow, like I want it continually blow you away.
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Well, and this is a conversation we've been having
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on the shows lately, particularly with me, is
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I'm getting to the point where and look, I still
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love classified output. I'm still a big fan of
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that line, still buying most of what they put
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out. But I am getting to a point where I get
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like an Operation Monster Force figure and I
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open it up and I'm like, man, I. i feel good
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about the money that i spent on this figure and
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then i get a classified figure and i'm like i'm
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not sure i see 28 here so that that is and that's
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an advantage of being outside of a corporate
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structure is the creative decisions and the ability
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to control your output you know what the public
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gets in the end because you know having talked
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to some of the hasbro folks at joe fest i got
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an idea that the as a creator the excitement
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level you have for this thing that you're making
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is so high and to think of because we've all
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dealt with corporate structures before and that
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filter that's between the very best a thing can
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be and the most profitable a thing can be and
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that filter sucks it does absolutely does and
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it it hurts and and you know that's why i've
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been so fortunate to get to work on you know
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of course on my own thing but like working on
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monster force it's been so awesome working with
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bill murphy because yeah bill you know bill's
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like hey you know what do you think about this
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and i'm like we should do this this this this
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and be like all right do it like it's not like
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you know oh we got to watch this we can't do
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that we can't put that paint in there we can't
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add this soft goods and it's he swings for the
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fences and it's been so awesome to have somebody
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that you know believes in the toy and the action
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figures and so that's the beauty of being in
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the indie circle where you know it's not a bunch
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of bean counters being like no no no we can't
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do that and so it's been freeing and that's not
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to say that great products don't make it through
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at metall and hasbro and other companies they
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do they for sure do uh but i think i think it's
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uh you're playing with a different set of parameters
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to make it happen yes yes and i mean and they
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there's i mean i have a desk right now full of
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uh classified sitting here that i've opened from
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the newest wave like i'm still having a great
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time like the sundown that's a fantastic figure
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like i love new figures and they put a lot of
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time and effort into that thing you can tell
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i bet they probably threw a little bit more at
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it with some of the paint but like a lot got
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through and it came out great well and that's
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i'm excited about uh oh shoot the synapse i think
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is the cyborg crazy Very excited to see that
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one, too. I'm glad that we're getting to see
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some original ideas from Lenny and company. Yes.
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That are making it to the shelf before now we
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get to see really what those guys have in store.
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I'm so excited for them being at Boss Fight.
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same same I can't wait to see what kind of projects
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they they work on I didn't get to talk to I only
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got to talk to Lenny for a little while at Joe
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Fest so I didn't get to pick his brain too much
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hopefully at Comic -Con I'll get to talk to him
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a little bit more uh and we'll see I I got to
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Noel and I talked to Lenny and Corey for for
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a good little while toys did not come up though
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we were completely talking about other stuff
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but I'm wrangling Yeah. Well, and that's the
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cool thing about Joe Fest is you never know what
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you're going to end up talking to anybody about.
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But I am wrangling both of them into doing interviews,
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hopefully over the next couple of months. So
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that's exciting to be happening. But all right.
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That's enough toy talk. Well, it's not enough
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toy talk because we're going to talk about Evil
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Dead toys, too. But let's put business aside
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and let's talk about Evil Dead. And we got to
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start with. uh what was the first evil dead experience
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you had so it was i started a little late in
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the evil dead world surprisingly um like super
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late it was still high school uh but it was freshman
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year i believe no maybe a sophomore year because
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i've had this shirt since then uh which is pretty
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cool um my daughter's actually stolen it and
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i had to take it back i was like give it back
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i'm wearing it for the show tonight And so, but
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I've had it for that long. my buddy i was in
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a band back in high school and we we he he turned
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me on to a lot of like different like things
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that i i just fell in love with instantly like
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of course tarantino movies or kevin smith i don't
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know how i'd miss so much i guess i did i was
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a little sheltered uh middle schooler uh but
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in you know ninth grade tenth grade uh he he
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had said and i'd heard of evil dead i had heard
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of army of darkness but i didn't know what it
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was and i hadn't watched it yet for some reason
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and i remember my mom was a big horror fan And
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so I said, oh, have you seen Evil Dead? And she's
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like, no. So we went and rented them all, came
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home and watched the original Evil Dead. And
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I was like blown away, of course, because it's
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it is so well done. You know, Sam Raimi did such
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an amazing job with that movie. I loved it. My
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mom actually thought, oh, it's pretty good, too,
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which I was surprised. because she's got like
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she would have like a like how she thought of
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movies or how she judged movies if it was a little
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stupid or campy she would really call it out
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so i was like okay she likes this original we
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watched evil dead 2 and i we lost her and i i
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was like this is the greatest movie i've ever
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watched and so my mind my life was changed in
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that moment but it was hilarious to see my mother
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uh you know making fun of it and then of course
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army of darkness then really went on the rails
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for her uh but i was like this is how how has
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it taken me this long to find these beautiful
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movies and they've been a part of my life ever
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since yeah i'm trying to remember it was it might
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have been high school for me it might have been
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like freshman sophomore year somewhere around
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there i'm not sure but i know i got the first
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one i saw was evil dead too okay uh and i got
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it from i don't think it was blockbuster i think
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it was the movie store which was still a chain
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but was like a little cooler than blockbuster
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but a little more risque compared to the yeah
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blockbuster right right right um yeah and they
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did they carried a little more hardcore stuff
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than blockbuster did uh but i think at the time
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i rented it i don't think evil dead was available
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like even to rent on vhs because it wasn't i
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think it wasn't until anchor bay did their first
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release of it that evil dead was like widely
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available in that way that sounds like i could
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be i could be off on that but i i know that i
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rented evil dead 2 first because that skull with
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the eyeball on the cover which i which i have
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a tattoo of um that cover like got me so even
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though it was the second one I just rented it
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and absolutely fell in love with it because the,
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the gore, the, the, the humor of it, the, just
00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:05.589
everything about it. And of course, Bruce Campbell
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is just magnetic. Absolutely. So it wasn't until
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later. I'm trying to place the timeline in my
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head now. Cause army of darkness came out in
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93, I think 92 or 93. Yeah. And. I know I saw
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it before high school was over, but that's weird
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to me because in my head, Army of Darkness really
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only existed as VHS once I was aware of it. But
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it had to be because it was after Darkman. I
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believe so, right? Because Darkman was 90. Darkman
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was 90, yeah. And Army of Darkness was 92 or
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93. So that's weird because I adored... dark
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man dark man was one of those movies where because
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it was when it came out I wasn't quite at the
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I know about directors yet like I knew Tim Burton
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because of Batman and I knew like a couple of
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directors but I wasn't quite in the I know this
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director's name and I'm going to follow them
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now yet but I knew uh I knew I knew dark man
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And I don't honestly know if Sam Raimi registered
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with me, though. I think I just loved Darkman.
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That's good. I don't know if I connected all
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of that. But anyway, I saw Army of Darkness,
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and the first time I watched it, I thought it
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was too goofy. It didn't have the horror. Yeah,
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well, I mean, it does a bit, but the humor definitely
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is a bigger part of it. But now, I love it. It's
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actually, I have that movie poster tattooed on
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me as well. And when I met Bruce Campbell in
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2001, I had him sign it and got that tattooed
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on me. I didn't know that. That's so cool. And
00:26:01.509 --> 00:26:04.970
I believe it's the first time he had done it
00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:08.470
because he asked me, he said, wait, do you want
00:26:08.470 --> 00:26:11.109
my real signature? Since you're getting this
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tattooed on you, do you want my real signature
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or do you want the Zsa Zsa? I didn't know what
00:26:16.029 --> 00:26:18.710
he was talking about. And my buddy who had told
00:26:18.710 --> 00:26:20.690
me about the signing, cause the signing was,
00:26:20.789 --> 00:26:24.329
uh, it was for, I guess it was for if gents could
00:26:24.329 --> 00:26:27.309
kill. I think that came out. I think that's what
00:26:27.309 --> 00:26:31.450
it was for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I think
00:26:31.450 --> 00:26:34.630
it was, it was, we were at a bookstore, uh, and
00:26:34.630 --> 00:26:43.069
I brought the big McFarland 18 inch figure. Yep.
00:26:43.089 --> 00:26:46.759
I used to have that. I brought that. So I have
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:49.500
that. He signed the blade of the chainsaw on
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that. I feel like I brought something else. I
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:55.380
guess probably a copy of the book. But anyway,
00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:56.900
he signed that. And I know what he's talking
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about. And not my buddy, Noel, who's the one
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.299
who told me about the signing like an hour before
00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:05.279
it happened. I didn't know anything about it.
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:07.539
He called me up and he was like, Dave, you know,
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.640
Bruce Campbell signing at whatever the bookstore
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.619
was. And I was like, no, I don't. And so. I hadn't
00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:16.339
taken a shower that day. I don't remember if
00:27:16.339 --> 00:27:18.680
I worked or what, but I threw clothes on and
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.220
drove down there, made a 35 -minute drive in
00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:26.400
15 minutes, and got in the line thinking the
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.740
whole time I was going to miss it. But if you
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.619
know Bruce Campbell, you know that especially
00:27:30.619 --> 00:27:35.160
back in the day, if he was booked for an hour
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.460
signing, he would stay for three to make sure
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:42.339
everybody not only got their stuff signed. but
00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:45.680
had a meaningful interaction with him. And it
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.480
was, it was absolutely incredible. But anyway,
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:51.519
so the Jaja is his, his professional signature,
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.579
like what he signs photographs with. It's like
00:27:54.579 --> 00:27:57.559
a, you could, you can barely tell it says Bruce
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.440
Campbell, but it's just his, you know, that's
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.640
what he does. It's the, yeah. So that's why he
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.480
asked, he was like, this is serious business.
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.900
I don't want to give my bullshit celebrity eight
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.559
by 10 signature. And I was like, no, if that's
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.279
your working signature, that's what I want. And
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.140
he was like, all right, it's on you, buddy. And
00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:21.579
he signed it. And then he dated it, which I hadn't
00:28:21.579 --> 00:28:24.299
even thought of. And I was like, oh, that's great.
00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:29.799
Yeah, it's actually, let's see. It is September
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:34.680
20th, 2001. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. It's
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.890
really cool. anyway to get back to army of darkness
00:28:38.890 --> 00:28:41.309
uh first time i saw it it was a little too goofy
00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:43.809
but then i watched it again and again and again
00:28:43.809 --> 00:28:47.789
and you know now 200 times later i love it but
00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:54.170
i didn't see the first evil dead until probably
00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:56.569
whenever that anchor bay release happened i might
00:28:56.569 --> 00:28:58.609
have even been working at suncoast video at the
00:28:58.609 --> 00:29:03.099
time uh Because I hit Suncoast in the sweet spot
00:29:03.099 --> 00:29:06.539
of when Anchor Bay was getting big and all of
00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:10.299
those weird special editions, like the 10s and
00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:13.839
the Necronomicon books that they did. All of
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.460
that stuff was coming out. So I might not have
00:29:16.460 --> 00:29:17.920
seen it until then, which would have been like
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.259
98 or 99. And the first time I saw it, it was
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:28.799
too serious. Because the second one, right. But
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.900
by that time, I was a huge Evil Dead fan, a huge
00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:39.519
fan of Sam Raimi and whatever else. So I adjusted
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.740
my brain to like, okay, that's what this movie
00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.420
is. And then, of course, you watch all the extras
00:29:44.420 --> 00:29:46.779
about the making of and how grueling it was.
00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:50.240
And the real grueling horror is the making of
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.460
the movie. It's not even the movie itself. So
00:29:54.460 --> 00:29:56.519
it shows through, you know, it comes through
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.460
on the screen. Oh yeah. Like that, you know,
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.339
Texas chainsaw style, you know, it's you put
00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:03.819
the actors through hell and especially low budget
00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:05.539
like that, where you're working crazy amounts
00:30:05.539 --> 00:30:08.460
of hours and like sweltering heat or, or anything
00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:10.960
in that nature, which is, or super cold or any
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.140
of that stuff or being covered in buckets of
00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:16.000
blood like they were. I mean, it had to be, it
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.400
had to be a lot so hard. Well, and you can see
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.579
it's, it's the, they're, they're only doing it
00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:23.829
because of passion. They're only doing it because
00:30:23.829 --> 00:30:26.690
they are compelled to create. They have no choice
00:30:26.690 --> 00:30:30.430
but to create. And that's, that's a huge, you
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:32.430
know, it does come through on the screen. It
00:30:32.430 --> 00:30:36.250
does. So with the, you know, in that, those original
00:30:36.250 --> 00:30:40.930
things, it was all like mid, mid nineties discovering
00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:44.750
and really becoming a part of my personality.
00:30:44.769 --> 00:30:47.109
Cause I connected so much and, and, you know,
00:30:47.130 --> 00:30:52.839
over rewatching those, the, the, dead serious
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.759
to funny to almost absolute camp is a progression
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.000
that i can appreciate because i've kind of undergone
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:06.579
that in my adult life yeah because coming out
00:31:06.579 --> 00:31:09.539
of high school and and i feel like a lot of a
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.680
lot of guys around my age can probably identify
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.900
coming out of high school i feel like there's
00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:17.640
this you have to be very serious about everything
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.660
that you do and it must mean something and you
00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:23.150
have to be you know straightforward and blah
00:31:23.150 --> 00:31:25.390
like it's it's everything has to be taken so
00:31:25.390 --> 00:31:28.390
seriously yeah because you want to be taken seriously
00:31:28.390 --> 00:31:31.529
and then you kind of ease up a little bit and
00:31:31.529 --> 00:31:34.170
you get a little like okay maybe it's okay to
00:31:34.170 --> 00:31:36.509
have a little bit more fun to enjoy a little
00:31:36.509 --> 00:31:39.589
sillier music some goofier movies to embrace
00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:43.309
some more stuff and now that i'm older the the
00:31:43.309 --> 00:31:46.230
goofier the better the sillier the better like
00:31:46.230 --> 00:31:50.700
it's it's funny that that arc translates in that
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:55.799
way for me yeah that's what what level on what
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.759
level do you connect with the movie with those
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:05.680
first three movies two is mine like two is you
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.079
know and it's funny because you know watching
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.240
one first and then watching two like literally
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.859
like i don't know if it was the same night or
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:14.559
the next day uh i can't remember but it's definitely
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.339
jarring you know uh it's actually kind of good
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:20.539
i think that you watched two first because going
00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:23.960
back like going from one and then they retell
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.839
that story and two you're like what the hell
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:27.920
like wait a second where'd everybody go and you
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.180
know knowing later that the rights were there
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.660
was yeah right so they had to like how they had
00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:35.400
to shoot it but no two i connect that's still
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.220
one of my all -time favorite movies of all time
00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:40.700
it's just the character arc you know ash in that
00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:42.819
house going you know like the night where he's
00:32:42.819 --> 00:32:45.339
by himself practically like everything's just
00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:48.759
going wrong for him and like bruce campbell just
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.900
does an amazing job showing that lunacy and the
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:54.279
craziness that's you know him him losing his
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.259
mind and it's but playing it up to last too it's
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:01.700
just it's beautiful and you know army of darkness
00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:04.799
i love but also because it is like i mean my
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.099
son and i were talking about this the other night
00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:09.329
uh it's definitely the most quotable of all of
00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:13.170
the movies you know like easy uh but i still
00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:16.569
yearn for i love the campiness but i wanted more
00:33:16.569 --> 00:33:20.230
it feels like it's a pg -13 movie if you watch
00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:23.069
it you know like there's not enough gore i feel
00:33:23.069 --> 00:33:25.529
in it for it to be evil dead as much and i mean
00:33:25.529 --> 00:33:27.109
i guess that maybe makes sense why it's army
00:33:27.109 --> 00:33:30.009
of darkness um i love the idea of him going back
00:33:30.009 --> 00:33:33.029
into time and you know uh having to fight the
00:33:33.029 --> 00:33:36.009
deadites then but i just wish it still had that
00:33:36.009 --> 00:33:39.769
gore of evil dead one evil dead two um and that's
00:33:39.769 --> 00:33:42.849
something they kind of mixed perfectly in the
00:33:42.849 --> 00:33:45.569
tv show i feel yeah uh the the gore with the
00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:50.029
humor um but yeah i connect definitely with two
00:33:50.029 --> 00:33:54.029
is just it is perfect that movie is a perfect
00:33:54.029 --> 00:33:56.240
movie you know, the hand, I mean, come on, like
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:58.759
just his severed hand and like just anything
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.940
like that. But, and it, and as you can see, it,
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.440
it has kind of bled into all the things I try
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.679
to create as well now. And it's inspired the
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:13.900
hell out of me. It is its own aesthetic. And
00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:15.900
I was trying to, you know, once we start talking
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:18.719
about burn in a little bit, we'll, we'll get
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:23.900
more into that. But burn got me thinking what,
00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:29.349
what, is evil dead's trademark like what for
00:34:29.349 --> 00:34:33.449
the franchise because the movies have ranged
00:34:33.449 --> 00:34:38.349
anywhere from dead serious to laugh out loud
00:34:38.349 --> 00:34:44.150
three stooges stuff yep and yet they share something
00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:47.449
that's recognizable like yes this feels right
00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:52.550
and i think it's the over the top element the
00:34:52.550 --> 00:34:56.699
moments of I can't fucking believe that just
00:34:56.699 --> 00:35:01.280
happened. Yes. And I think that's where with
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.840
the last three movies, while tonally, perhaps
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.500
they feel different from what's come before,
00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:11.539
you know, certainly from army of darkness and
00:35:11.539 --> 00:35:15.860
ash versus evil dead. Yeah. But they still, to
00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:20.159
me feel like evil dead. Like they got it. so
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.780
it's a matter of what would you agree that it's
00:35:22.780 --> 00:35:26.960
that that over the top like that just happened
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.380
that that's maybe the magic component it's it's
00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:32.219
the moments yeah like that like having those
00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:34.639
like holy crap like the things that stick with
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.880
you you know uh it could be hilarious you know
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.139
like there's something in like any again evil
00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:43.900
dead 2 like when the blood is like pouring out
00:35:43.900 --> 00:35:46.280
of like the wall and just splashing him like
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.800
like just drowning him in blood and then turns
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.260
to black and it's just and it sucks back up into
00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:53.219
the wall and he's you know standing there that's
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.000
hilarious but you remember that it sticks with
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.099
you uh but also a cheese grater and evil dead
00:35:58.099 --> 00:36:00.579
rise is gonna stick with you as well you know
00:36:00.579 --> 00:36:04.349
what i mean so like it's not funny uh but it
00:36:04.349 --> 00:36:07.590
it's still over the top and like you said yeah
00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:10.489
the over the topness the just like holy shit
00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:13.070
that just happened and the shock of the system
00:36:13.070 --> 00:36:18.809
yes yeah yes so with those three uh yeah evil
00:36:18.809 --> 00:36:22.670
dead 2 for for a long long time uh was my favorite
00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:24.730
it felt like the most centered it felt and the
00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:26.250
other cool thing about it is like the first evil
00:36:26.250 --> 00:36:28.809
dead was was really kind of more a traditional
00:36:28.809 --> 00:36:31.420
ensemble cast horror movie where it was really
00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:33.500
about all those characters we met at the beginning.
00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:37.059
Whereas Evil Dead 2 was clearly like, all right,
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.360
Bruce, buckle up because this one's on you, buddy.
00:36:40.539 --> 00:36:46.420
And he did it. He absolutely carried it. So then
00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:50.179
after Army of Darkness, it kind of feels like,
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.420
I guess we're done. That's it? Nothing else is
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:56.639
going to happen? Because Bruce Campbell had...
00:36:57.050 --> 00:37:00.389
A number of other projects. First, he had the
00:37:00.389 --> 00:37:03.309
Gazina guest spot. Then we get Briscoe County,
00:37:03.469 --> 00:37:06.849
which is incredible. Jack of all trades. And
00:37:06.849 --> 00:37:09.349
then several other movie appearances. I mean,
00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:12.230
he's working. He's doing a lot of work. Sam Raimi,
00:37:12.309 --> 00:37:15.030
meanwhile, gets his success with Spider -Man
00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:20.250
and blows up. So everybody's working. And it
00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:23.849
seems like, and honestly, I haven't seen any
00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:27.489
recent interviews. that I recall specifically
00:37:27.489 --> 00:37:30.250
talking about this era, but it does seem like,
00:37:30.250 --> 00:37:31.889
well, we're taking a break from that. I don't
00:37:31.889 --> 00:37:33.829
think there was ever any intent, like we're never
00:37:33.829 --> 00:37:37.150
going to get back to it, but it did feel like,
00:37:37.150 --> 00:37:38.710
well, let's let everybody do their own thing
00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:41.329
for a while. And I think a while just ended up
00:37:41.329 --> 00:37:44.190
being longer than they anticipated it be. Yeah,
00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:46.809
I think so too. And like, cause I remember kind
00:37:46.809 --> 00:37:49.449
of scouring the internet and stuff in the late
00:37:49.449 --> 00:37:51.869
nineties, early two thousands, trying to see
00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:54.260
like what's going on, you know, like. know what's
00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:56.119
going on with any of this are we going to get
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.559
anything else is anything new going to come and
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.860
i remember reading something that there was there
00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:03.739
was like the studio was trying to to do like
00:38:03.739 --> 00:38:06.599
in i guess this would have been early 2000s then
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.480
uh when they did freddy versus jason and there
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.780
was like rumors out there that they wanted to
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:15.039
do an ash versus freddy versus jason and i remember
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.780
reading an interview with bruce campbell and
00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:18.539
he's like well if i can't win i'm not going to
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.639
do it you know, kind of thing. Like I should
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.460
win. And I laugh and I love that, but like, man,
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.780
that would have been so cool to watch like, you
00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:28.679
know, Freddie and Jason take on Ash and, but
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.760
you know, just if you had the right guy creating
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.099
it, of course, but like, I don't know, as a,
00:38:33.099 --> 00:38:35.500
as you know, in that time period, I'm just remember
00:38:35.500 --> 00:38:37.719
being like, Oh my God, that would be so cool.
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:39.860
Cause you know, Ash was now my hero. Like this
00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:43.579
was. Yeah. you know he's not the stereotypical
00:38:43.579 --> 00:38:46.420
hero you know he's not the the the i mean he
00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:48.780
has a chiseled jaw but man he screws everything
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:52.159
up and he is a complete asshole most times and
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.480
i just i love how bruce campbell brings you know
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.079
the human nature i guess to the to the hero trope
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.260
and it's just so good well and that's uh i was
00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:06.440
actually the other night like ran through in
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.559
my head because this happens to me all the time
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.050
uh the script of what a uh ash jack burton team
00:39:13.050 --> 00:39:16.210
up would look like oh man that's because imagine
00:39:16.210 --> 00:39:20.730
those two assholes trying to save the day and
00:39:20.730 --> 00:39:24.110
i what it would have to be it it would have to
00:39:24.110 --> 00:39:28.750
be like 1988 or nine ish and jack burton ends
00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.670
up going through ash's town because you know
00:39:31.670 --> 00:39:34.530
ash aside from going back to the past ash has
00:39:34.530 --> 00:39:36.900
never left that town yeah yeah he always wants
00:39:36.900 --> 00:39:40.659
to go to jacksonville but yeah so it would have
00:39:40.659 --> 00:39:44.059
to be jack burton going to that town there's
00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:45.920
there's a whole there's something there there's
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:52.099
some magic there but uh so 2013 we finally get
00:39:52.099 --> 00:40:00.400
uh a new evil dead yes now initially i was disappointed
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.559
that it was not a continuation, that Bruce Campbell
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:06.300
was not going to be involved, that Sam Raimi
00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:11.199
was not directing. But however, it is Sam Raimi's
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.099
baby still. He's producing. I felt like he's
00:40:15.099 --> 00:40:18.699
not going to let it be bad. It's not what I want
00:40:18.699 --> 00:40:21.500
it to be, but I do want more Evil Dead. Yes.
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.760
So let's see what's up. And did not like it the
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:33.460
first time I saw it. No. Did not because it is
00:40:33.460 --> 00:40:38.579
utterly humorless. It is. And in 2013, which
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:42.039
it causes me intense pain to think about the
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.239
fact that that was 13 years ago. Yep. That the
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.000
new Evil Dead has since had an entire television
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:55.139
series and two more Evil Deads. But 13 years
00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:57.079
ago, I didn't yet have the perspective of like
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.610
Evil Dead isn't necessarily funny horror. There's
00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:03.190
something else to it. So going to it, I was like,
00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:06.829
it's way too severe. I didn't like any of the
00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:09.989
characters. This was just grim and it wasn't
00:41:09.989 --> 00:41:14.090
fun. And then I watched it a second time. And
00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:18.309
now, and by the way, that's the shirt I've got
00:41:18.309 --> 00:41:22.550
on. That's great. Because Mia is my hero now.
00:41:22.989 --> 00:41:27.349
She's awesome. Now, I think it's the best Evil
00:41:27.349 --> 00:41:30.440
Dead. yeah that's your that's your top that's
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.480
that's that's bold i like it though i i liked
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.480
it the first time i watched it like i genuinely
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.780
did uh i went to the theater and it was so screwed
00:41:38.780 --> 00:41:42.840
up and like like the gore and like the i forgot
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.340
the character's name but her friend that cuts
00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:47.800
her tongue like that that whole like little and
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.900
i'm just like whoa dude that scene in down in
00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:53.380
the cellar when she's on the steps and just pushes
00:41:53.380 --> 00:41:56.710
that box cutter through her tongue yes oh yeah
00:41:56.710 --> 00:41:58.889
it is it is mia isn't it who does that i forget
00:41:58.889 --> 00:42:01.849
oh you're right yeah yeah it is right yeah yeah
00:42:01.849 --> 00:42:05.909
you're right because that's the big turn early
00:42:05.909 --> 00:42:09.409
on in the movie is that mia gets possessed yeah
00:42:09.409 --> 00:42:12.230
yeah and you're like who the heck is the final
00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:16.489
whatever yeah like that's one of the things yeah
00:42:16.489 --> 00:42:18.469
yeah it's one of the things that makes it so
00:42:18.469 --> 00:42:20.530
great now if you go back you remember that ash
00:42:20.530 --> 00:42:23.750
ash also got possessed yeah but this is such
00:42:23.750 --> 00:42:31.280
a more uh extreme kind of dead -eyed uh but anyway
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.400
yeah the the second time I watched it I was like
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:37.079
I was so wrong this is incredible it's so gnarly
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.500
and messed up and I'm seeing as somebody who's
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:45.449
been watching horror movies for 37 years. Well,
00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:47.309
I guess not 37 years, but since, so my granny
00:42:47.309 --> 00:42:49.670
introduced me to horror. So I'm like five years
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.190
old in North Carolina watching hammer horror.
00:42:53.349 --> 00:42:55.730
My first stuff was like Christopher Lee is Dracula.
00:42:56.389 --> 00:43:05.050
Oh dude. Um, so in here in Atlanta, we didn't
00:43:05.050 --> 00:43:09.550
that I can remember. We didn't have like a late
00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:12.699
night horror theater show. I don't remember there
00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:15.199
ever being one here. We had Doctor Who, which
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.559
I'm very thankful for. And, you know, but I don't
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.139
remember there being that. But in Wilmington,
00:43:21.179 --> 00:43:24.099
they had a TV station that had like a horror
00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:27.400
host that would show like, you know, it's time
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:32.360
now to see the goriest Dracula ever. And then
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.000
they show, you know, one of the Christopher Lee
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.000
Dracula movies. So I'm sitting with my granny
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.380
out in the carport watching horror movies at
00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:43.510
11 o 'clock at night. And I'll tell you, I don't
00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:46.010
know that she ever made it past the first 15
00:43:46.010 --> 00:43:49.750
minutes of one at that point in her life. She's
00:43:49.750 --> 00:43:55.909
out in the recliner. But in all those years of
00:43:55.909 --> 00:43:57.849
watching horror movies, there was stuff in Evil
00:43:57.849 --> 00:44:01.650
Dead in 2013 that I'd never seen. And that's
00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:06.250
wild. Yeah. And stuff that surprised me. And
00:44:06.250 --> 00:44:12.820
it was also relentless. it's brutal it's genuinely
00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:15.619
like brutally like you said relentless it just
00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:17.679
it does not let go of you until that movie's
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.940
over and you know typically because we we've
00:44:20.940 --> 00:44:23.659
all seen the nail gun bit in whether it's action
00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:26.039
movies horror movies whatever and it's usually
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.179
like you know four or five shots and then one
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:33.199
or two nails hit and and then they move on to
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.320
the next part of the fight or whatever yeah it's
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:40.650
fair but this nail gun scene never ends Yes.
00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:46.889
So, yeah. Yeah. You know what part sticks with
00:44:46.889 --> 00:44:49.349
me from that movie, too, is, I mean, I've seen
00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:53.190
it a few times now, but, like, just, like, with
00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:56.030
the hand, like, under the Jeep and, like, being,
00:44:56.110 --> 00:44:58.730
like, pulled off, like, it's not like a cutoff
00:44:58.730 --> 00:45:00.989
hand. You see all the, like, yeah, everything.
00:45:01.110 --> 00:45:03.769
All the sinew and all the gristle and everything.
00:45:04.489 --> 00:45:08.940
That was a fun way to honor. you know, what had
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:12.639
come before, but in a new way. And it's done
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.420
so well there. And that was fun. Well, and you
00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:20.880
know what? That, you know, you said fun. That
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:25.239
is the fun part of the 2013 movie. It is not
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:31.800
funny, but it is fun how Fede Alvarez took our
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.519
knowledge and expectations of Evil Dead. and
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:41.360
used them to mess with us yeah because we got
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:46.099
the cutting the the arm off see only you know
00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:48.820
rather than the hand it's above the elbow why
00:45:48.820 --> 00:45:52.099
are you going above the elbow because it's more
00:45:52.099 --> 00:45:55.599
messed up so we got so many you know the seller
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.940
we you know what's going to happen in the cellar
00:45:57.940 --> 00:46:00.980
well no actually you don't like it was a really
00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:05.860
smart reinvention of of of everything we thought
00:46:05.860 --> 00:46:08.719
we knew to expect. Which was perfect, especially
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.760
being a movie that's... When I saw that movie
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.380
the first time, I thought, okay, this is what
00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:16.800
Sam wanted to probably do originally. Because
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:18.699
you watch that first movie, it doesn't have the
00:46:18.699 --> 00:46:21.820
humor that the second one has. He wasn't going
00:46:21.820 --> 00:46:24.099
for a funny movie. I almost feel like the campy
00:46:24.099 --> 00:46:25.840
acting and all that, they probably were like,
00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.239
wait a second. Let's make this a little goofier,
00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:32.019
you know, because it works because they unintentionally
00:46:32.019 --> 00:46:33.559
made something kind of funny with some of the
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.260
bad acting in that. Right. Right. And so to see
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:41.199
that kind of really screwed up story and, you
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:43.199
know, bringing demons back to possess your friends
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.840
that have to be completely dismembered to, you
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.940
know, defeat. I love that you take that and put
00:46:49.940 --> 00:46:51.760
it through the lens of like, hey, we're not going
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.179
to make a funny movie. We're going to make a
00:46:53.179 --> 00:46:54.920
movie that makes you uncomfortable for the entire
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.460
runtime. Yeah. and, and, and really just hit
00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:00.900
you with everything we have. And so I was like,
00:47:00.980 --> 00:47:03.739
okay, they, they succeeded. They did, they did
00:47:03.739 --> 00:47:06.340
what he wanted to do because, you know, I love
00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:08.659
what we've had before. So it was fun to have
00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:10.820
like this breath of fresh air to have something
00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:15.460
a little different. Well, and, and that's a point
00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:18.219
of view that I've developed over the past several
00:47:18.219 --> 00:47:22.280
years. of you know it used to be like when when
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.739
disney announced star wars sequels all i wanted
00:47:24.739 --> 00:47:27.039
was the expanded universe all i wanted was thrown
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.760
i wanted the timothy zahn stuff told exactly
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.039
as it was in the books and when it wasn't that
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.199
i was disappointed but since then which i guess
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.440
over the last 10 -ish years i've realized like
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.219
i don't want stories i've already seen you know
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:43.179
something like if you're gonna yeah if you're
00:47:43.179 --> 00:47:44.980
gonna make a batman movie or a batman cartoon
00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:47.260
tell a new story because i've already read the
00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:51.219
comics yeah so i i have that point of view of
00:47:51.219 --> 00:47:53.760
2013 kind of delivering something that was different
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.719
from what we'd seen before was uh it was it was
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.739
great and the good news is everything since has
00:48:02.739 --> 00:48:06.599
been that in some way even ash versus evil dead
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:11.159
which came two years later yep so by the time
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.159
but oh i was just gonna say by the time ash versus
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:20.980
evil dead uh was announced I had accepted and
00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:25.519
embraced the 2013 movie and was actually kind
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.739
of disappointed that we weren't doing with Mia.
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.719
Yeah. Yeah. Not that I didn't want to see more
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.760
of Bruce. And I think at one point my, like my,
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.800
my hope was, okay, well, they're going to keep
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.059
Ash on TV and maybe we'll get a follow -up movie
00:48:41.059 --> 00:48:44.480
with Mia. Cause that to this day, I still want
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.099
that. Yeah. Well, they didn't even talked about.
00:48:47.610 --> 00:48:51.570
maybe even having like the two intersecting you
00:48:51.570 --> 00:48:53.530
know what i mean like have both of those worlds
00:48:53.530 --> 00:48:56.190
kind of colliding i remember reading again with
00:48:56.190 --> 00:48:58.429
you know after those you know i've always been
00:48:58.429 --> 00:49:00.210
that like try to look up what's gonna what's
00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:02.969
happening next especially back then and you know
00:49:02.969 --> 00:49:05.210
i was like okay i'm okay with that but then of
00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:07.250
course everything turned to ash versus evil dead
00:49:07.250 --> 00:49:10.210
and i was i was you know over the moon like i
00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:13.440
was super happy to see ash back coming back but
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.639
i also expected a sequel to 2013 which we didn't
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.920
get um but you know like you said ash versus
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.860
evil dead brought in some of that really screwed
00:49:24.860 --> 00:49:27.960
up gore it wasn't as messed up but it has some
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.099
pretty it's got more scary moments than you know
00:49:31.099 --> 00:49:33.239
definitely evil dead 2 i feel you know like it
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.380
has things that like kind of amps up and it might
00:49:35.380 --> 00:49:38.380
be because we have the the the technology and
00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:41.780
like what they were able to kind of do but I
00:49:41.780 --> 00:49:43.579
don't know, I felt they found a real good balance
00:49:43.579 --> 00:49:47.420
of screwed -up horror and, you know, the laughs,
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.980
and Bruce Campbell really just delivers there.
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.699
Well, and I will say this before we talk too
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:57.019
much more about Ash vs. Evil Dead, I haven't
00:49:57.019 --> 00:50:01.780
watched it since it was on, except for I bought
00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:05.559
the Blu -ray, the full series set, and watched
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.440
the first, like, couple, and it was one of those
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.679
things where I just never got back to it. Like,
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.940
something distracted me. and I haven't gotten
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:16.699
back to it. But I remember watching the first
00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:21.400
episode and having to adjust to Ash being this,
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:28.280
like, loser asshole. And it took me a minute
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.719
to accept that, well, yeah, that's what he would
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.420
be at this point. Yeah. His wooden hand. Oh,
00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:40.800
my gosh, yeah. We sit there picking on the girls
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.239
in the bar and just, but I loved it. So I remember
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.159
being so excited for that show and watching that
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:51.579
episode and just being, I was not disappointed
00:50:51.579 --> 00:50:53.619
at all. I was like, this is exactly who Ash.
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:57.739
uh would be now you know 20 plus years later
00:50:57.739 --> 00:51:00.900
whatever it was since army of darkness and i
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:04.760
love the premise of that where how the the demons
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.820
come back you know because of his stupidity as
00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:10.960
always but it's just really funny that he literally
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:16.360
like it's so dumb and it but i i don't know it's
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.059
so fun well i think it was just like i said the
00:51:19.059 --> 00:51:26.739
it it wasn't picking up after I slept too long.
00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:31.639
Yeah. Which granted later in the series, we had
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:37.559
the promise of that. That still hurts. But, you
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.880
know, the studio end of Army of Darkness, he's
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.940
in the S -Mart saving the girl who didn't believe
00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:47.039
his story. So he gets a bit of a heroic ending
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:50.619
there. But like I said, that first episode, I
00:51:50.619 --> 00:51:52.400
had to kind of adjust because I realized, well,
00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:55.599
one, yes, this is proper and correct. But two,
00:51:55.780 --> 00:52:00.079
what would our story be if he was a hero? Like
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.239
if now he was a competent on top of business
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.300
guy? Well, that's not a fun story that Sam Raimi
00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:08.679
and Bruce Campbell would want to tell. So let's
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.699
he needs to start at the bottom and then we get
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:14.980
to build our hero up. yeah he needs his girl
00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:22.239
and his his oiled hair and uh just just him at
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.199
like not like him still thinking he is young
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.739
and acting like hitting hitting on the new you
00:52:27.739 --> 00:52:32.019
know uh um why can't think of her name um the
00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:35.159
new characters because you had uh kelly and kelly
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.360
and kelly when he's hitting on kelly uh is hilarious
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.639
because he's this old man and he just doesn't
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.750
realize that he's not Ash from the eighties,
00:52:44.809 --> 00:52:48.090
you know, he's not that same person. And that's
00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:51.090
a very real thing though. Like it, it is like
00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:56.610
in my head, I'm not 50. Like I don't feel like,
00:52:56.670 --> 00:52:58.989
but then, you know, I look back to when my dad
00:52:58.989 --> 00:53:02.690
was 50 and I'm, I'm not that guy. Yeah. Like
00:53:02.690 --> 00:53:05.989
I still feel like, you know, post high school
00:53:05.989 --> 00:53:09.190
Dave to a certain extent. So I get that sort
00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:13.590
of Peter Pan. I haven't aged along with the world
00:53:13.590 --> 00:53:19.489
kind of thing. And that was, I think, so much
00:53:19.489 --> 00:53:22.309
the success of the show. You mentioned, and I'm
00:53:22.309 --> 00:53:24.010
not even going to lie, I've got my notes up here,
00:53:24.130 --> 00:53:28.650
Pablo and Kelly coming in as the supporting characters.
00:53:29.369 --> 00:53:35.710
Because Ash cannot be... You have to have the
00:53:35.710 --> 00:53:38.750
companions. I mentioned Doctor Who earlier. The
00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:41.420
Doctor... can't operate alone. It's not most
00:53:41.420 --> 00:53:44.039
effective when he's operating alone. You need
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:49.360
viewpoint characters to humanize him. And Kelly
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.079
and Pablo were basically ashes companions that
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:56.139
humanized him, that gave, you know, gave us dialogue,
00:53:56.260 --> 00:53:58.500
gave us interaction because this isn't a feature
00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:01.539
film where all we have to worry about is 90 minutes
00:54:01.539 --> 00:54:04.460
of whatever. This is a series where we, we are
00:54:04.460 --> 00:54:06.219
going to have to deal with characters in a more
00:54:06.219 --> 00:54:09.619
significant way. Yep. yep and we got and we and
00:54:09.619 --> 00:54:12.800
we got uh miss lucy lawless back too uh yeah
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.079
back to his old days which is awesome as like
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.739
ruby uh but you know that it's so good i love
00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:22.920
i love that show and i haven't like i watched
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.739
the entirety of course when it came out I have
00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:28.039
only gone back and watched the first season a
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.719
couple, like not all the way through because
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.659
I usually go to show to my son and we watch a
00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:33.840
few episodes. We get busy with something else.
00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:35.500
We come back, we start them back over because
00:54:35.500 --> 00:54:37.239
we're going to do it again. Didn't finish again.
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.320
And I'm like, ah, we need to get through this.
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:42.539
And we haven't, but man, that end of that show
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:46.719
still hurts because that was, I wanted the season.
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.340
so bad and how they teased it i was like this
00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:52.039
is the movie and i don't know and i was talking
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.440
about this with my son the other day i was like
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.679
maybe some of this inspired me to do world war
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.199
hell my end of the world you know saga of even
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.139
though it's a different time period but because
00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:05.900
i wanted that mad max mix yeah well dead uh i
00:55:05.900 --> 00:55:08.760
i was so heartbroken when it got canceled it's
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.340
like come on man like that's there's there's
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:13.199
never going to be anything that tops me being
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.250
that sad about a tv or movie being like canceled
00:55:16.250 --> 00:55:19.090
i think that was the the pinnacle of that and
00:55:19.090 --> 00:55:22.789
it hurts still well it felt like because we got
00:55:22.789 --> 00:55:26.050
what three three seasons yep three seasons yeah
00:55:26.050 --> 00:55:29.010
so we got three seasons and when that it felt
00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:31.489
like oh this is what we've been building up to
00:55:31.489 --> 00:55:34.170
i wish it hadn't taken this long but here we
00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:37.710
go this this was the purpose of all of this and
00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:40.630
then we didn't get that payoff and then we just
00:55:40.630 --> 00:55:43.349
get ash retiring afterwards a little bit later
00:55:43.349 --> 00:55:48.599
right and i'm like which is I get it. I get it.
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:53.699
You don't want to be way too old putting even
00:55:53.699 --> 00:56:00.559
more oil in your hair to dye it. Right. Within
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.599
the show, you mentioned that we got stuff that
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:06.920
was more outlandish, more over -the -top gore.
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:12.719
It did feel like every weird, creative creature
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:18.000
monster kill whatever that they had they were
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.679
throwing on the screen whether it was I'm trying
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.900
to remember there was a morgue scene where like
00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:27.559
one demon crawled out of another demon or something
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.420
crazy like that happened uh and and and for the
00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:33.280
listeners who are like why didn't you watch this
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.599
again before talking about it because we're just
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.500
doing an overview broad strokes yeah broad strokes
00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:41.639
well you speak of the morgue real quick i'll
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:43.480
fill i'll fill everybody in for a second because
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.039
that's the part that's okay okay when the intestines
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.639
come out of the like the cadaver body and they
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.380
they wrap around ash's throat and they start
00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:56.000
pulling him up i was like cry laughing because
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.800
the intestines are going and they're pulling
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.659
and he's like not the butt not the butt as he's
00:57:00.659 --> 00:57:03.079
being pulled up towards the butt and it's like
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.239
farting at him there's like crap and blood and
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.980
just everything and sure enough he goes up through
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:11.420
this his head is now out of the ripped out part
00:57:11.420 --> 00:57:14.440
of the body and it is hilarious and of course
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.659
of course the dude's junk's pierced he's got
00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:18.619
a full prince albert so let's like flop it around
00:57:18.619 --> 00:57:23.260
right by his head and it's just complete pandemonium
00:57:23.260 --> 00:57:25.980
and it's just hilarious and uh you know side
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:27.980
note for a second but i went to hell and horn
00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:30.320
nights the year after that they actually i mean
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.440
it wasn't as graphic of course but they had a
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.860
part where ash comes out you know and he has
00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:38.780
the body over him and i was like yes it made
00:57:38.780 --> 00:57:41.760
me so happy to see them recreate that scene oh
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:47.000
it was so good you know what and that i think
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.820
that's one of the big magic tricks of the show
00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:52.280
or one of the things that they figured out when
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.260
we're we've fallen in love with ash from evil
00:57:56.260 --> 00:57:58.719
dead to evil dead 2 to army of darkness and certainly
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:03.320
by army of darkness we as the audience don't
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.019
want to see anything bad happen to ash of course
00:58:06.019 --> 00:58:09.400
like yes it's funny when he's doing the stooge's
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.880
bit in the courtyard or when his evil self evil
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.360
ash is beating him up or whatever but realistically
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.360
we don't want to see these terrible things happen
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.670
to him but by 2015 And certainly the way that
00:58:21.670 --> 00:58:24.710
they've established him in the show. Well, we
00:58:24.710 --> 00:58:26.389
don't want to see anything. We don't want to
00:58:26.389 --> 00:58:29.610
see him die. But we do want to see bad stuff
00:58:29.610 --> 00:58:32.449
happen to him. We want to see him get sucked
00:58:32.449 --> 00:58:37.130
into that ass. And they figured that out. They
00:58:37.130 --> 00:58:40.849
figured out that Sam Raimi's joy in torturing
00:58:40.849 --> 00:58:44.130
Bruce Campbell has now translated to the audience.
00:58:46.130 --> 00:58:52.980
Yes. Uh, and it's so that it, because Bruce Campbell
00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:56.300
just sells it so well. Like he does such a good
00:58:56.300 --> 00:58:59.719
job of selling the, the, the, the, like he's
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.619
him going through something terrible, but hilarious
00:59:02.619 --> 00:59:06.559
for all of us to watch because any other actor,
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.739
I don't see it, you know, translating the same
00:59:08.739 --> 00:59:11.719
way. He just, he really has a way of putting
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:15.380
himself through something horrible, but you laugh
00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:19.449
hysterically at it. Well, and also you can see
00:59:19.449 --> 00:59:21.789
watching that show how he's developed as an actor
00:59:21.789 --> 00:59:24.230
because, you know, in those original three movies,
00:59:24.329 --> 00:59:29.030
he's acting horrified and tortured to some extent
00:59:29.030 --> 00:59:32.489
because he's being tortured, you know, physically.
00:59:33.269 --> 00:59:37.269
And he has this magical way of, even though he's
00:59:37.269 --> 00:59:39.070
older and even though he's not doing quite the
00:59:39.070 --> 00:59:42.289
level of physical stunts that he was doing before,
00:59:42.409 --> 00:59:45.929
but now he knows how to make it look and how
00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:51.579
to emote. in a way that we feel his, his trauma
00:59:51.579 --> 00:59:56.280
just as much as if he was being assaulted. Yes.
00:59:56.420 --> 00:59:59.000
Yeah. And, and, and I still feel he is pretty
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.500
assaulted, especially in that first episode.
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:03.320
I think it's the first episode or second episode.
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.860
I don't know if you remember, but that his boss
01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:09.039
tries to attack him. He hides in the Delta, you
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.199
know, ashes drive in Pablo's with him and he
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.119
gives Pablo like. a beer bottle as a weapon and
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.340
he gets like grabbed by the boss and he's like
01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:20.099
Pablo give me something handsome that broken
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:22.440
bottle and he just stabs the hell out of him
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:26.380
and it's just he's practically waterboarding
01:00:26.380 --> 01:00:29.039
himself with blood there's so much blood and
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.019
I'm just like oh my god I was like how are they
01:00:31.019 --> 01:00:32.719
not killing him with how much blood like there's
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:36.739
no faking it's just right right right and I'm
01:00:36.739 --> 01:00:39.190
like Yep. That's what really got me. Like, of
01:00:39.190 --> 01:00:41.670
course, seeing Ash again was amazing. But like,
01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:44.630
I'm like, OK, this is on Starz. This is on a
01:00:44.630 --> 01:00:46.989
show, a channel that they can go and swing through
01:00:46.989 --> 01:00:48.929
the fences without any like, oh, you can't do
01:00:48.929 --> 01:00:51.469
that. No, it's not regular TV. It's not even
01:00:51.469 --> 01:00:53.949
rated for a movie. It's TVMA. You can do whatever
01:00:53.949 --> 01:00:57.690
the hell you want, pretty much. And it was so
01:00:57.690 --> 01:01:00.949
freeing and refreshing as a, you know, somebody
01:01:00.949 --> 01:01:03.809
watching it and a lifelong Evil Dead fan to see
01:01:03.809 --> 01:01:06.400
all of that. Well, and also the fact that it
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.480
was on stars, I think that there was going to
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.619
be less like if it had ended up on HBO or something
01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:17.880
with or AMC or whatever. I think there would
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.679
have probably been a little more corporate interference
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.739
in it, whereas stars was kind of just looking
01:01:21.739 --> 01:01:24.460
for, hey, if you're a great creator, bring us
01:01:24.460 --> 01:01:26.900
your thing and do it like that really seemed
01:01:26.900 --> 01:01:28.619
to be the attitude from the network on that.
01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:31.860
So, yeah, we were very fortunate. And now after
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.599
talking about it, I need to rewatch the whole
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.159
thing again. We both do. That could be some homework.
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.800
Yeah, right? Maybe that'll be the part two a
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.280
couple months from now as we'll come back and
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:51.159
do a more full review of that. Yeah. So our next
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:57.440
up was Evil Dead Rise. And much like the 2013
01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.880
Evil Dead, actually much like a lot of my favorite
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:03.280
movies. I didn't like Evil Dead Rise the first
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:07.800
time I watched it. No. Oh, man. Yeah. It didn't
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:13.579
connect. Parts of it felt... There were some
01:02:13.579 --> 01:02:19.579
parts... My conflict was it doesn't feel connected
01:02:19.579 --> 01:02:23.460
enough to Evil Dead, but at the same time, they
01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:26.539
did what I felt like were some really hacky callbacks
01:02:26.539 --> 01:02:30.739
to Evil Dead. So it didn't... In some weird way,
01:02:30.860 --> 01:02:35.559
it didn't feel genuine to me. That's 100 % on
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.619
me and just how I took it in the first time watching
01:02:38.619 --> 01:02:42.760
it. Also, I'm still disappointed that there's
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.820
no Mia, that we've gone off in another direction
01:02:45.820 --> 01:02:53.860
again. That first viewing, it didn't connect.
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.889
Once again, I watched it a second time. with
01:02:58.889 --> 01:03:02.150
my you know your expectations you have to yes
01:03:02.150 --> 01:03:06.590
i yep watched it a second time and i was like
01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:11.349
this is awesome what is wrong with me from six
01:03:11.349 --> 01:03:13.690
months ago or whatever it was between came out
01:03:13.690 --> 01:03:16.590
in theaters and you know you could buy it uh
01:03:16.590 --> 01:03:18.989
because i did once it came out on blu -ray i
01:03:18.989 --> 01:03:21.190
did even though i hadn't liked it in the theater
01:03:21.190 --> 01:03:24.050
i bought it because i'm gonna buy every evil
01:03:24.050 --> 01:03:27.230
dead thing of course even even if i think i don't
01:03:27.230 --> 01:03:30.050
like it I got to have it. And I watched it again.
01:03:30.250 --> 01:03:32.190
And I was like, it's great. It was absolutely
01:03:32.190 --> 01:03:35.469
great. That thing at the end, the, the, all of
01:03:35.469 --> 01:03:37.630
them bundled up together. They call it like the
01:03:37.630 --> 01:03:40.010
Marauder something, something like that. Yeah.
01:03:40.030 --> 01:03:42.429
Yeah. And that's, I remember them having a specific
01:03:42.429 --> 01:03:44.690
name for it when they were talking about behind
01:03:44.690 --> 01:03:47.130
the scenes stuff, but whatever, dude, it's great.
01:03:47.510 --> 01:03:50.949
It's, and it's a hundred percent, uh, an evil
01:03:50.949 --> 01:03:53.809
dead thing and a new, an innovative thing. We
01:03:53.809 --> 01:03:57.639
had not seen a gestalt. a deadite gestalt like
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.800
that yeah before it was the voltron of deadites
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.800
which so you know it's funny you say you went
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.480
to to uh rise not liking it that much that for
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.480
not really liking it that first time i loved
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.880
it the first time i watched it and then the second
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.000
time i watched it was like a week later and maybe
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.260
not even because i went to theater with my buddies
01:04:20.059 --> 01:04:21.559
because they were like, hey, we all need to go
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:23.400
do this. Let's go watch. And I usually bring
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:24.960
the kids or my wife because I've gotten them
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.219
all hooked to horror too. So I was like, well,
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.079
I got to go to see this again. I loved it the
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.119
first time. The second time I loved it like 10
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.420
times even more. So it's funny. I still liked
01:04:32.420 --> 01:04:34.179
it, but I liked it even more because you start
01:04:34.179 --> 01:04:36.820
seeing everything for what it is. And Evil Dead
01:04:36.820 --> 01:04:41.760
Rise is actually up there. Like it doesn't have
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:43.900
Ash, of course. So like I still feel Evil Dead
01:04:43.900 --> 01:04:46.329
2. is what i fell in love with so it's still
01:04:46.329 --> 01:04:48.809
top but rise is like right there with it to me
01:04:48.809 --> 01:04:52.489
uh because it's like that movie like i love the
01:04:52.489 --> 01:04:54.329
apartment building it's its own character in
01:04:54.329 --> 01:04:57.489
itself yes like how they shoot that thing um
01:04:57.489 --> 01:05:01.329
alyssa sutherland is freaking amazing you know
01:05:01.329 --> 01:05:05.610
as the mom and like the cat like how it's shot
01:05:05.610 --> 01:05:08.869
just it's beautifully shot it's so dark but yet
01:05:08.869 --> 01:05:11.030
you still see everything and you connect with
01:05:11.030 --> 01:05:12.969
all the characters i feel like you genuinely
01:05:12.969 --> 01:05:15.710
like you know me personally anyways i liked all
01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:19.429
the kids um we got the the girl who's in now
01:05:19.429 --> 01:05:22.469
stranger things season five before l i forgot
01:05:22.469 --> 01:05:25.230
her name ellie something i think no man is that
01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:27.010
that's the character is ellie what's the little
01:05:27.010 --> 01:05:28.389
girl's name i don't remember but you know what
01:05:28.389 --> 01:05:29.889
i'm talking about the little girl who's great
01:05:29.889 --> 01:05:31.769
in it she's got the stick with the baby doll
01:05:31.769 --> 01:05:35.650
head on it uh and like there's so many moments
01:05:35.650 --> 01:05:38.190
in rise that are just huge you know like like
01:05:38.190 --> 01:05:39.989
i said cheese grater from before you know the
01:05:39.989 --> 01:05:44.409
glass eating the glass uh you know you know ellie
01:05:44.409 --> 01:05:47.449
going up like in i love their call back to you
01:05:47.449 --> 01:05:50.429
know the the the tree trees from the first and
01:05:50.429 --> 01:05:54.829
movie and having it like be the the um the the
01:05:54.829 --> 01:05:58.210
elevator cables uh dude the elevator the blood
01:05:58.210 --> 01:06:03.250
in the elevator yes is insane so much blood and
01:06:03.250 --> 01:06:05.949
that's that's a fun kind of little nod to of
01:06:05.949 --> 01:06:08.750
course the shining which i love as well and so
01:06:08.750 --> 01:06:11.130
but to bring it in and make it your own too and
01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:14.940
just oh man it's so cool like i i love that movie
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:17.860
i i was very fortunate i got to meet alice sutherland
01:06:17.860 --> 01:06:19.880
a few years ago and i got a picture with her
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.480
and she's like ripping out my adam's apple kind
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.380
of thing so it's just it's really fun i just
01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:30.190
it's so good i love that movie so much and you
01:06:30.190 --> 01:06:32.050
know, Lee Cronin did a really good job, really
01:06:32.050 --> 01:06:34.230
bringing that world to life. And like you said,
01:06:34.269 --> 01:06:37.130
the monster at the end, that's screwed up. Like
01:06:37.130 --> 01:06:39.050
that's something we've never seen before. And
01:06:39.050 --> 01:06:41.610
I'm like, that feels very evil dead. My biggest,
01:06:42.130 --> 01:06:45.429
maybe gripe would be about the movie. I really
01:06:45.429 --> 01:06:47.750
liked the teeth on the book of the dead was fun,
01:06:47.869 --> 01:06:51.150
but I did not really care for the design of the
01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:54.159
book itself. I loved the drawings. like the actual
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:57.059
blood inked artwork that they did. It looks like
01:06:57.059 --> 01:06:59.480
the most screwed up version of the book of the
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.880
dead, but the cover, I think bothered me. I wanted
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.159
that original kind of look. And I know they are
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.679
going for their own thing, which was fine, but
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:09.639
that's probably my biggest gripe. And we get
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:12.099
Bruce Campbell, you know, as a voice in there.
01:07:13.139 --> 01:07:18.980
I, uh, I like different looks for the Book of
01:07:18.980 --> 01:07:22.039
the Dead because even if it's supposed to be
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.920
in the same universe, I like the idea that it
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.119
can have different appearances depending on who's
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:34.760
looking at it or what its current purpose is.
01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:38.079
I like the idea that it might even look like
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.789
the one from The Mummy, like the old... Brendan
01:07:40.789 --> 01:07:45.269
Fraser. Maybe sometimes it's a giant gold tome.
01:07:45.329 --> 01:07:47.949
Maybe sometimes it's this leather bound. I kind
01:07:47.949 --> 01:07:52.070
of like it being this transmutable thing. Yeah,
01:07:52.070 --> 01:07:55.969
that makes sense. And also it's just fun to see
01:07:55.969 --> 01:07:58.190
the different artists get their shot at what
01:07:58.190 --> 01:08:00.210
they think it should look like. And dude, to
01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:03.230
go back to the 2013 one, when he's cutting through
01:08:03.230 --> 01:08:06.469
that barbed wire with the black garbage bag wrapped
01:08:06.469 --> 01:08:08.409
around it and he's cutting through the barbed
01:08:08.409 --> 01:08:11.460
wire to get the book open. that's oh that scene
01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:13.599
is good and you know what's getting ready to
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.479
happen yes and i love that that that was put
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.939
in there to be like keep away from this you know
01:08:18.939 --> 01:08:21.260
and that's just fun like the barbed wire is a
01:08:21.260 --> 01:08:23.720
great touch and that that was that was a great
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.720
moment i need to go back it's been a while since
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:27.680
i've watched 2013 i need to go back and watch
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.800
it again because it's it is so intense but i
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.399
and that's another thing in so so evil dead rise
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.029
now i it's awesome Totally love it. Actually,
01:08:38.050 --> 01:08:39.649
you mentioned the apartment building kind of
01:08:39.649 --> 01:08:42.390
being its own character. I think that parking
01:08:42.390 --> 01:08:46.489
garage is now like I would say it's a top five
01:08:46.489 --> 01:08:50.489
setting from a horror movie for me. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:50.550 --> 01:08:54.529
So much creepy stuff happens over the course
01:08:54.529 --> 01:08:56.970
of the movie in that parking garage. And then,
01:08:56.989 --> 01:08:59.170
of course, the finale has to happen down there.
01:08:59.390 --> 01:09:03.470
So like it's it's. you know it's not quite as
01:09:03.470 --> 01:09:05.869
done up as the building itself but they were
01:09:05.869 --> 01:09:08.529
very effective with the way they would shoot
01:09:08.529 --> 01:09:13.470
and you you couldn't sometimes tell where the
01:09:13.470 --> 01:09:16.529
character was in relation to other things like
01:09:16.529 --> 01:09:19.170
they were very smart about using that big open
01:09:19.170 --> 01:09:22.489
space but making it feel very claustrophobic
01:09:22.489 --> 01:09:25.720
yes I love like the door, how the clicker won't
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.300
work and like how it's all metal and loud and
01:09:29.300 --> 01:09:31.500
the light, even just the little light, it feels
01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:33.340
like so, I don't know, it's just really good
01:09:33.340 --> 01:09:37.159
design work. And it just brings you into that,
01:09:37.220 --> 01:09:40.380
which is so good. Well, and we've all been in
01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:42.380
parking garages and had that feeling of like,
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.539
you know, what if that, even though you can see
01:09:45.539 --> 01:09:49.399
the outside world through that door, you know,
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:50.760
what if that thing goes down? What am I going
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.569
to do in here? I'm going to be stuck. And so
01:09:53.569 --> 01:09:56.750
there was a lot of parking garage. As a matter
01:09:56.750 --> 01:09:58.510
of fact, there's a movie, I think it's called
01:09:58.510 --> 01:10:02.029
Park, that the whole thing is about a serial
01:10:02.029 --> 01:10:06.390
killer hunting a woman in a parking garage. I
01:10:06.390 --> 01:10:09.430
don't want to leave anybody hanging. Let me look
01:10:09.430 --> 01:10:13.630
this up real quick. I mean, it's a good idea.
01:10:17.190 --> 01:10:19.729
Oh man, nothing is coming up right now. Yeah.
01:10:19.789 --> 01:10:21.810
I can't remember exactly what it's called, but
01:10:21.810 --> 01:10:24.850
yeah, it's, it's a, it all takes place in a parking
01:10:24.850 --> 01:10:27.810
garage and it was very intense. Good, good flick.
01:10:27.869 --> 01:10:30.010
I'll look it up another time and post it somewhere.
01:10:30.569 --> 01:10:34.470
Uh, so evil dead rise, definitely a success.
01:10:34.890 --> 01:10:37.649
Uh, and, and people love, you know, you mentioned
01:10:37.649 --> 01:10:41.329
Alyssa Sutherland. I mean, she was a horror superstar
01:10:41.329 --> 01:10:44.729
superstar coming out of that thing. Yep. That,
01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:49.199
that. She was a new Scream Queen. No doubt. Yes.
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.640
I feel like before Evil Dead Rise was even out
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.720
of theaters, they had already announced, well,
01:10:57.819 --> 01:11:00.039
we're working on the next one. Similar to how
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.319
we already know Evil Dead Wrath is coming two
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:06.939
years from now. Did they start filming that or
01:11:06.939 --> 01:11:09.279
did they finish filming that? They started filming
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:12.239
Wrath in February, so they may be done by now.
01:11:12.619 --> 01:11:17.810
Horror movies aren't... big six month. No, no.
01:11:18.130 --> 01:11:21.409
Uh, so yeah, we, we now know we've got another
01:11:21.409 --> 01:11:22.909
one coming, but we already knew there was another
01:11:22.909 --> 01:11:25.590
evil dead movie coming, uh, while evil dead rise
01:11:25.590 --> 01:11:30.029
was kind of still being talked about. Um, and
01:11:30.029 --> 01:11:36.010
evil dead burn. I just, I absolutely loved it
01:11:36.010 --> 01:11:39.930
first time out. And I think the experiences of
01:11:39.930 --> 01:11:45.600
adjusting my expectations on the 2013 one, and
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:51.039
on Rise, had me ready to accept something a little
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.500
different this time. Which it is. I didn't go
01:11:55.500 --> 01:11:59.600
in as full of, well, it needs to be this. I went
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:04.859
in like, I want something that feels right. And
01:12:04.859 --> 01:12:10.140
it is different. It is. It is. It's funny, actually.
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.420
I didn't know you could see it in my camera over
01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:15.569
there. pointing over there my little bird sitting
01:12:15.569 --> 01:12:17.489
back there on the poster behind sergeant graves
01:12:17.489 --> 01:12:21.409
but uh i i went and saw it that first night of
01:12:21.409 --> 01:12:24.649
course gotta go first night but i can now i have
01:12:24.649 --> 01:12:27.109
i've only watched it once but i want to watch
01:12:27.109 --> 01:12:29.069
it a second time now because i've got a little
01:12:29.069 --> 01:12:31.590
bit of like that 2013 that you have where i'm
01:12:31.590 --> 01:12:34.729
just like ah my expectations were so high because
01:12:34.729 --> 01:12:38.869
of prize so i saw right right i really i i still
01:12:38.869 --> 01:12:40.850
enjoyed this and there was a lot of moments i
01:12:40.850 --> 01:12:44.460
really liked But it wasn't as good as Rise for
01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:47.800
me. So I was a little let down. And so I, but
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:49.979
like, you know, bringing the kids with me, they
01:12:49.979 --> 01:12:53.520
all liked it a lot. And I was like, all right,
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.100
I think I just had my expectations way too high
01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:58.739
as always. That's why I try not to give too much
01:12:58.739 --> 01:13:00.779
of my opinion in the beginning of a new, say,
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:04.239
if I see something, the first time I see it,
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.739
I try not to go too critical on it because we
01:13:06.739 --> 01:13:10.439
have that same kind of mindset. You go in thinking
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:13.439
something. And then it maybe goes a different
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.579
way and you just, you got to play catch up. And
01:13:15.579 --> 01:13:17.979
so you have to watch it a second time without
01:13:17.979 --> 01:13:20.159
any surprises, kind of knowing what's going to
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.220
happen and just really just taking the film.
01:13:23.060 --> 01:13:25.579
And I need to do that with burn because I liked
01:13:25.579 --> 01:13:29.720
a lot of it still, but I think it lacked a little
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.939
bit with like the, I understood what they were
01:13:31.939 --> 01:13:34.460
going for, you know, you know, our, our, our
01:13:34.460 --> 01:13:38.010
heroine. is kind of on an island on herself.
01:13:38.350 --> 01:13:40.390
You know, a lot of people are kind of like she's
01:13:40.390 --> 01:13:42.970
already an outsider. You know, it's got a lot
01:13:42.970 --> 01:13:44.989
of the whole metaphors of, you know, like in
01:13:44.989 --> 01:13:48.149
-laws and dealing with family and how they could
01:13:48.149 --> 01:13:52.289
be the worst. But taking that and now throwing
01:13:52.289 --> 01:13:55.350
the deadites and the demons into that world,
01:13:55.569 --> 01:13:58.489
you take kind of shitty people and then just
01:13:58.489 --> 01:14:01.270
amplify them to deadites. Now you lose a little
01:14:01.270 --> 01:14:04.439
bit of. you know where rise had the family element
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.399
where you don't want anything to happen to these
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.319
people and they actually could tell they love
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:10.659
each other even if they have a little bit of
01:14:10.659 --> 01:14:12.560
animosity here and there you still see the love
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:14.680
so when that's flipped on its head it's just
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.920
like ah you know this is it's tragic and horrifying
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.659
but you know it makes you root for those characters
01:14:20.659 --> 01:14:22.739
a little more whereas this one i i didn't care
01:14:22.739 --> 01:14:24.859
about really any of the characters per se except
01:14:24.859 --> 01:14:28.539
for maybe the main girl um and so again i need
01:14:28.539 --> 01:14:30.989
to watch it again i really it had some great
01:14:30.989 --> 01:14:35.550
moments it was shot great um and i did have a
01:14:35.550 --> 01:14:39.189
few issues with some of the cg in like especially
01:14:39.189 --> 01:14:41.869
in some of the final moments of it i was like
01:14:41.869 --> 01:14:45.869
i like i understand why you got to use some cg
01:14:45.869 --> 01:14:48.529
but i like when it's as practical as possible
01:14:48.529 --> 01:14:51.369
and so when you bring in the cg in there it takes
01:14:51.369 --> 01:14:54.449
me out especially of an evil bed movie yeah yeah
01:14:54.449 --> 01:15:02.930
yeah and i the uh let's we'll start before we
01:15:02.930 --> 01:15:06.050
get to the end because i do that is really my
01:15:06.050 --> 01:15:09.810
biggest gripe is is the end of the movie that
01:15:09.810 --> 01:15:12.569
almost felt like it was directed by someone else
01:15:12.569 --> 01:15:17.630
yeah yeah it felt like a very strange departure
01:15:17.630 --> 01:15:21.250
from from what we had seen before like the fact
01:15:21.250 --> 01:15:24.710
that it ended outside of that house didn't feel
01:15:24.710 --> 01:15:29.960
right to me yeah green uh Because, you know,
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.520
similar to Evil Dead Rise, where the apartment
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.079
building felt like such a critical part of everything
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:38.819
that was happening, that house, one, was a great
01:15:38.819 --> 01:15:43.640
set. It was. Just made to be destroyed. You could
01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:46.420
tell from the moment you saw it, like, there's
01:15:46.420 --> 01:15:48.819
going to be some carnage in this place. Yes.
01:15:49.739 --> 01:15:52.260
So, yeah, it felt weird that it ended outside
01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:55.359
of the house. But before we get to that, just
01:15:55.359 --> 01:16:00.189
real quick, we'll run it down. Oh, gosh. Sahela
01:16:00.189 --> 01:16:03.710
Yacob as Alice Price. Tandy Wright as Susan Price.
01:16:03.970 --> 01:16:07.630
Hunter Dewan as Joseph Price. Lucianne Buchanan
01:16:07.630 --> 01:16:11.550
as Thaya. Errol Shand as Edgar. And Maude Davey
01:16:11.550 --> 01:16:13.369
as Polly. And then there are other characters
01:16:13.369 --> 01:16:16.550
as well. But those are our main cast members.
01:16:16.949 --> 01:16:19.329
I wanted to have the character names up here.
01:16:19.729 --> 01:16:22.289
Although I'll probably still end up saying...
01:16:22.289 --> 01:16:26.640
Yeah, Alice was the main one. Which is always
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:29.439
a great name for a horror heroine. I'm always
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:37.800
a big fan of Alice. So I agree with you in that
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:43.579
the characters, we didn't really have the likable
01:16:43.579 --> 01:16:46.439
cast of characters that make us feel when somebody
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:50.020
gets turned. Like typically that's... Now, we
01:16:50.020 --> 01:16:55.670
did have... So, okay. I thought that... We start
01:16:55.670 --> 01:17:03.229
the movie with Alice and her husband. Yep. And
01:17:03.229 --> 01:17:09.250
then her husband's brother. Brother. And I thought
01:17:09.250 --> 01:17:13.829
that they were brother and sister because I misheard
01:17:13.829 --> 01:17:16.890
a line at the beginning of the movie when they're
01:17:16.890 --> 01:17:23.750
in the club and they're setting up that the husband
01:17:23.750 --> 01:17:28.890
is this. kind of douchey guy yeah and the brother
01:17:28.890 --> 01:17:34.229
tells her i thought he said promise me you'll
01:17:34.229 --> 01:17:39.029
never get married because he's seeing because
01:17:39.029 --> 01:17:42.189
this is his sister and he's seeing how his brother
01:17:42.189 --> 01:17:44.050
is treating this woman and he doesn't want his
01:17:44.050 --> 01:17:47.090
sister treated that way and but then i was confused
01:17:47.090 --> 01:17:48.810
the whole rest of the movie i was like wait what
01:17:48.810 --> 01:17:51.270
is their relationship because there was one point
01:17:51.819 --> 01:17:54.699
where they seemed like they were together. And
01:17:54.699 --> 01:17:58.359
then after the movie, my wife was like, no. He
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.340
said, promise me we'll never get married. And
01:18:01.340 --> 01:18:06.159
I was like, oh, you're right. Okay. Because there's
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.119
that one moment where, now she's a dead -eyed
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:13.560
at this point, but she says, you were my first.
01:18:14.060 --> 01:18:18.270
And I was like, oh, wait, what? You were really
01:18:18.270 --> 01:18:21.930
thrown off. Right. I was really confused by all
01:18:21.930 --> 01:18:28.930
this. But I will say she was her turning was
01:18:28.930 --> 01:18:30.989
a shock because in general I think we liked her
01:18:30.989 --> 01:18:34.250
character. She was doing her best to be good
01:18:34.250 --> 01:18:37.930
to Alice. I liked her the most so far. So that
01:18:37.930 --> 01:18:42.470
was a good way to do it. Dude, and the seat cushion
01:18:42.470 --> 01:18:47.180
through the head. Well, okay, but before that,
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:57.520
we opened the movie with Joseph, who is the younger
01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.579
brother, who has been studying his grandfather's
01:19:01.579 --> 01:19:07.319
crazy old texts. And this group of people was
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:10.520
the Circle of Wise Men, I think? Yeah, the Circle
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:12.539
of Wise Men, I believe. The Circle of Wise Men,
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:16.119
who... The second they said that, I was like,
01:19:16.220 --> 01:19:18.479
okay, well, we're setting up a franchise now.
01:19:18.779 --> 01:19:21.920
It's already a franchise, but clearly somebody
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:27.000
has some ideas here. And knowing that the next
01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.079
movie, Evil Dead Wrath, takes place prior to
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.840
the original Evil Dead. Yeah, it's like late
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:35.880
70s, I think, right? Right. And I would assume
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:37.699
we're going to get into that whole circle of
01:19:37.699 --> 01:19:45.869
wise men thing. So he finds... And from the shape
01:19:45.869 --> 01:19:48.369
of it, this to me I really enjoyed, because when
01:19:48.369 --> 01:19:51.670
he pulls that bag out, it looks like the Kandarian
01:19:51.670 --> 01:19:54.489
dagger from the original movie. Like the shape
01:19:54.489 --> 01:19:57.470
of it. And then they do the callback later in
01:19:57.470 --> 01:20:00.569
the movie, and it's totally the scene from Holy
01:20:00.569 --> 01:20:04.310
Grail. Not Holy Grail, Last Crusade. Last Crusade,
01:20:04.430 --> 01:20:10.039
when you chose poorly. Yeah. yeah the big ornate
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:12.520
dagger that looks like the one in this again
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:14.560
it was exact pretty much it was like right it
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.439
was the it was a candarian dagger yes design
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.420
wise which was fun and i'm like that's not it
01:20:19.420 --> 01:20:21.079
it can't be because they're not gonna write right
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:25.279
that's too easy we've seen indiana jones that
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:28.720
was that was a great great callback uh but yeah
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:34.460
her so her turning the the younger brother's
01:20:34.460 --> 01:20:38.899
girlfriend's turning uh when her hand gets closed
01:20:38.899 --> 01:20:41.420
in the car door. Yep. That's great. That to me
01:20:41.420 --> 01:20:46.020
was the, the shock to the system. Like was an
01:20:46.020 --> 01:20:49.260
evil dead moment. Was a like, Oh wow. Things
01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:52.899
are, things are happening. We're, we're all in
01:20:52.899 --> 01:20:55.539
trouble now because this is a character that
01:20:55.539 --> 01:20:57.640
potentially could have made it close to the end
01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.739
of the movie. Sure. And we're already chopping
01:20:59.739 --> 01:21:02.380
fingers off. Yeah. Yeah. And I like that. It's
01:21:02.380 --> 01:21:05.159
not like a clean it's. they kind of fall after
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:07.560
a few like it takes a second oh yeah the pause
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.899
yeah yeah and then and i like that she has that
01:21:11.899 --> 01:21:14.680
like neon yellow nail polish because it adds
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.579
it makes you see those remaining fingers better
01:21:18.579 --> 01:21:21.220
and having the gore mixed with that that was
01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:24.039
good art direction right there well and they
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.680
had established the fingernails before because
01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.149
at the dinner with dad when she's like trying
01:21:30.149 --> 01:21:33.010
to take the knife away from him and stuff they
01:21:33.010 --> 01:21:37.010
do a couple of shots looking at not just her
01:21:37.010 --> 01:21:40.069
nail polish but that right hand that's gonna
01:21:40.069 --> 01:21:43.289
lose the fingers in just a little bit a little
01:21:43.289 --> 01:21:47.010
something i like it oh yeah yeah absolutely well
01:21:47.010 --> 01:21:49.109
it's it's it's almost like chekhov's fingers
01:21:49.109 --> 01:21:51.829
like you showed those fingers you're gonna do
01:21:51.829 --> 01:21:54.229
something with them and you know you don't realize
01:21:54.229 --> 01:21:56.189
it until retrospect but then you're like oh that
01:21:56.189 --> 01:21:59.770
whole dinner scene They just kept showing. And
01:21:59.770 --> 01:22:05.750
that scene was so intense. Errol Shand, the actor
01:22:05.750 --> 01:22:09.930
who played Edgar. The father, right? The deadite
01:22:09.930 --> 01:22:16.789
father. Man, creepy, creepy acting. He was. When
01:22:16.789 --> 01:22:20.529
he takes the gun, when he has the gun and just
01:22:20.529 --> 01:22:24.090
fires, fires, fires. It's really fun how they
01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:29.199
did that. Okay, so. to go back to him and and
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:35.939
how uh how tense his transformation was because
01:22:35.939 --> 01:22:38.899
it was a slow deadeye transformation yeah uh
01:22:38.899 --> 01:22:41.439
it was very very tense because we as the audience
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:48.060
knew and i think that's part of what maybe part
01:22:48.060 --> 01:22:51.119
of what works about this for me is that those
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:57.659
characters everyone knows they're dicks The audience
01:22:57.659 --> 01:23:02.000
knows. The characters in the movie know. So there's
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.800
almost something a little more delicious about
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:09.640
us as the audience watching how long it takes
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:14.220
for the evil to really emerge. Because if it's
01:23:14.220 --> 01:23:17.279
your buddies turning, as soon as they start acting
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:22.000
weird, you know something's wrong. But these
01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:25.630
people were just... slowly getting meaner and
01:23:25.630 --> 01:23:30.130
weirder true it was like a boil rather than a
01:23:30.130 --> 01:23:34.109
oh no you're evil so watching watching these
01:23:34.109 --> 01:23:36.510
these three characters that we like a little
01:23:36.510 --> 01:23:40.949
bit more and knowing what's happening is is there's
01:23:40.949 --> 01:23:42.949
a different kind of tension to it than if they
01:23:42.949 --> 01:23:46.590
were just a nice family that's true that's true
01:23:46.590 --> 01:23:48.689
that's why i want to watch it again you know
01:23:48.689 --> 01:23:51.909
like those little moments i need to go and Now
01:23:51.909 --> 01:23:54.350
that my expectations have come down a little
01:23:54.350 --> 01:23:55.890
bit, I need to go back and then I'll probably
01:23:55.890 --> 01:23:58.789
be like, oh, I love it. We got to talk about
01:23:58.789 --> 01:24:03.789
the dog. Yes. Because going into it, because
01:24:03.789 --> 01:24:06.069
normally I try to avoid spoilers of any kind
01:24:06.069 --> 01:24:08.449
whatsoever about anything. Like I sometimes don't
01:24:08.449 --> 01:24:10.390
even watch trailers now if it's a movie I know
01:24:10.390 --> 01:24:14.010
I want to see. But a friend of mine got to see
01:24:14.010 --> 01:24:16.829
an early screening and she is really good with
01:24:16.829 --> 01:24:22.710
doing like completely spoiler free. but here's
01:24:22.710 --> 01:24:26.109
what i thought type of stuff okay she will mention
01:24:26.109 --> 01:24:29.750
if there are animal deaths in a movie and she
01:24:29.750 --> 01:24:32.430
said but there is a pretty horrible dog death
01:24:32.430 --> 01:24:36.949
and i was like oh man uh because i can't i can't
01:24:36.949 --> 01:24:41.170
handle that i just it's it's it's rough like
01:24:41.170 --> 01:24:43.470
john wick is like the only dog death where i'm
01:24:43.470 --> 01:24:48.460
like all right you you you've earned it i guess
01:24:48.460 --> 01:24:51.260
it still hurts yeah that's still a brutal death
01:24:51.260 --> 01:24:53.659
of course because any animal you don't want to
01:24:53.659 --> 01:24:57.159
see any dog uh or any animal get killed on screen
01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.859
but i you know and they did it pretty terribly
01:24:59.859 --> 01:25:03.859
you know in this horrible it's still bad but
01:25:03.859 --> 01:25:07.479
like you said he has to come back yes it's a
01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:10.420
deadite a deadite dog we had not gotten that
01:25:10.420 --> 01:25:14.659
before i don't think so like that felt and also
01:25:14.659 --> 01:25:17.300
there's a there's a difference between as as
01:25:17.300 --> 01:25:21.340
you know fiddling as this may be for me there
01:25:21.340 --> 01:25:25.979
is a difference between a monster killing an
01:25:25.979 --> 01:25:28.319
innocent animal and a human killing an innocent
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:32.020
animal like the uh in the recent punisher where
01:25:32.020 --> 01:25:35.220
those the the the street toughs killed the dog
01:25:35.220 --> 01:25:37.680
like that was that was horrible and i didn't
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:40.539
feel it was necessary to the plot Uh, it just
01:25:40.539 --> 01:25:43.399
felt gratuitous, but here it was a monster doing
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:45.720
it. And it was like, well, yes, this is what
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.119
monsters do. They do horrible things. But then
01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:51.220
when we get the dog back as a dead, I like that
01:25:51.220 --> 01:25:55.720
to me, redeemed it. It did because it was like,
01:25:55.779 --> 01:25:58.640
well, the dog gets to have some fun. Yeah, it
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:00.819
does. And I liked it. It had that callback of
01:26:00.819 --> 01:26:03.840
him whistling earlier at the funeral. Yes. And
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:05.800
the dog coming to him. And now he does it as
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:09.220
a dead eye dog. And then also as a horror. you
01:26:09.220 --> 01:26:11.100
know, trope that usually happens. Like, why don't
01:26:11.100 --> 01:26:12.840
you just run away from the house? Well, now you
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:15.819
have a dog out there that's, you will be run
01:26:15.819 --> 01:26:18.199
down and ripped apart. And I'm like, well, that's
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:20.020
pretty fun. You know, storytelling right there.
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.680
And even once Edgar gets inside and, and boy
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:30.260
is his wife, a piece of work. Um, she just lets
01:26:30.260 --> 01:26:37.539
him in. Oh, and okay. And grandma, Polly, Polly,
01:26:37.539 --> 01:26:41.970
Polly. Yep. The second we see adult old grandma,
01:26:42.210 --> 01:26:45.590
we're just waiting for her to become a dead eye,
01:26:45.649 --> 01:26:50.310
right? Yes. Yes. As soon as you saw her, you're
01:26:50.310 --> 01:26:53.750
like, that lady is going to get to do some really
01:26:53.750 --> 01:26:56.930
fucked up stuff in this movie. She's probably
01:26:56.930 --> 01:26:59.630
going to say some horrible things to her terrible
01:26:59.630 --> 01:27:03.949
child. Like you just knew you're just, I just
01:27:03.949 --> 01:27:06.029
felt the whole time. Like I was just waiting,
01:27:06.170 --> 01:27:09.859
like, Oh man. somebody bite her or something
01:27:09.859 --> 01:27:15.159
yes speaking of the grandma though like was this
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:17.180
the first time we've ever had like where it was
01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:22.600
like a saliva based like transfer of uh you know
01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:24.560
like the usually the dead eggs you know you get
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:27.520
the the camera coming in and you know that whole
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.520
thing and they're possessed i i'd never really
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.279
seen it from like a bodily fluid but like The
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:35.319
girlfriend had taken, I forgot her name again,
01:27:35.539 --> 01:27:39.340
the one with the fingers, and she took that fake
01:27:39.340 --> 01:27:41.920
teeth, put it in her mouth, just to give you
01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:43.640
that gross -out factor, and then put it back
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:45.760
in there. And I hadn't seen that before. I was
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:47.859
like, okay, well, this doesn't... This will fix
01:27:47.859 --> 01:27:51.760
you. Yes, yes. And so I'm like, okay, they're
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:54.159
doing something. They're expanding. I mean, I
01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:56.420
guess there's really no real rules, so why not?
01:27:56.579 --> 01:27:58.260
I mean, it makes sense. That's how it works in
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:00.760
zombie movies and stuff like that, to an extent.
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:04.539
I was like, okay, I'm fine with this. You know,
01:28:04.699 --> 01:28:07.720
like, okay, well, if it's bodily fluid, though,
01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:10.920
also, you know, how many times have our heroes
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:15.180
gotten gore and bits of rum ingested and stuff
01:28:15.180 --> 01:28:19.539
like that? I don't know. Like, is it when it
01:28:19.539 --> 01:28:21.180
works, when it doesn't? I don't know. But it
01:28:21.180 --> 01:28:23.680
was still a fun, gross -out moment with the saliva.
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.779
Maybe that's part. And look, we're probably dissecting
01:28:28.779 --> 01:28:35.619
it too much because. uh you know one evil dead
01:28:35.619 --> 01:28:39.279
as you said like there is kind of a loose loose
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.680
uh not methodology what's the word i'm looking
01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:46.760
for what's the medical term for processes uh
01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:50.100
i don't know that anybody's ever sat down and
01:28:50.100 --> 01:28:54.600
write the written the book of here's how deadites
01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:57.119
happen i think we've seen a lot of different
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:02.229
ways so i mean it could very well be we just
01:29:02.229 --> 01:29:05.149
haven't shown this specific transfer before,
01:29:05.270 --> 01:29:08.229
but it could also be intent because one of the
01:29:08.229 --> 01:29:10.909
key factors about deadites is their consciousness
01:29:10.909 --> 01:29:14.270
and that they're not zombies. They're, they're
01:29:14.270 --> 01:29:19.390
possessed by demons. Right. They have motivations.
01:29:19.409 --> 01:29:23.890
So is it the intent to, to infect that maybe
01:29:23.890 --> 01:29:27.090
matters? That's true. Yeah. Because usually they
01:29:27.090 --> 01:29:29.310
do choose, you know, like, I mean, and, and,
01:29:29.310 --> 01:29:31.720
and, you know ash could have been possessed at
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:33.359
any time in some of the old movies and then when
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:35.220
he is it's like they're just doing it to mess
01:29:35.220 --> 01:29:37.380
with them almost right you know it's like they
01:29:37.380 --> 01:29:39.380
want to drive you insane so yeah maybe that's
01:29:39.380 --> 01:29:42.340
how that works out that makes sense and and that's
01:29:42.340 --> 01:29:44.859
that's another defining characteristic of of
01:29:44.859 --> 01:29:47.739
you know not just deadites but of evil dead is
01:29:47.739 --> 01:29:52.500
that they're they're not out to eat you they
01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:54.779
may eat you but it's not really their purpose
01:29:54.779 --> 01:29:58.600
they're really more than anything the dead eyes
01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:04.739
want to with you yeah yeah yeah and and that's
01:30:04.739 --> 01:30:08.020
that definitely came through in this one uh oh
01:30:08.020 --> 01:30:10.819
for sure for sure like again the father with
01:30:10.819 --> 01:30:13.600
the gun you know he's yeah literally just standing
01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:17.520
there yeah blown his brains out just for them
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.420
you know just to to scare the out of all of them
01:30:20.420 --> 01:30:27.039
yeah yeah absolutely um So we, we are generally,
01:30:27.060 --> 01:30:29.899
we get the great scene that I don't know if this
01:30:29.899 --> 01:30:31.979
felt quite fleshed out enough to me, but at the
01:30:31.979 --> 01:30:33.680
same time, I don't know how much further it could
01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:36.520
have gone. When the sister gets locked after
01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:38.399
she's a deadite, she gets locked in the basement
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.199
and then just starts turning up the heater. And
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.880
that was actually a fun. Right. Just to make
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.199
a miserable. Yeah. Make it miserable. Like when
01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:51.939
she was doing it, it felt like, Oh, this is.
01:30:52.489 --> 01:30:54.109
she's going to try and force him out of the house
01:30:54.109 --> 01:30:56.229
which maybe was part of the intent there but
01:30:56.229 --> 01:30:58.670
at the end of the day it really was just a deadite
01:30:58.670 --> 01:31:01.970
being a jerk yeah which makes it which which
01:31:01.970 --> 01:31:05.300
which like having her be down there with the
01:31:05.300 --> 01:31:07.399
furnace I'm like of course she's gonna screw
01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:09.539
with stuff like why wouldn't you and we've never
01:31:09.539 --> 01:31:11.539
seen that before you know usually they're just
01:31:11.539 --> 01:31:13.920
down there making noises being an asshole you
01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:17.159
know having Gerald down there or or Henrietta
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:19.460
you know but like having this I was like oh that's
01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:22.039
clever you know turn up the heat and make everybody
01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:23.859
they're already miserable upstairs let's have
01:31:23.859 --> 01:31:25.579
them even more miserable because they're sweating
01:31:25.579 --> 01:31:29.050
their ass off oh this was another fun okay so
01:31:29.050 --> 01:31:31.789
we i i or i totally skipped past the beginning
01:31:31.789 --> 01:31:36.310
of the movie which was makes this a direct sequel
01:31:36.310 --> 01:31:41.090
to evil dead rise yep uh and it took me like
01:31:41.090 --> 01:31:43.609
just a second to connect it but like those guys
01:31:43.609 --> 01:31:46.449
the two guys are fishing on the lake uh and they
01:31:46.449 --> 01:31:48.890
showed the lake and i was like oh wait lake like
01:31:48.890 --> 01:31:52.520
we've seen the lake which one was the lake And
01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.140
then when she comes up out of the water, I was
01:31:55.140 --> 01:32:01.579
like, Oh my gosh, this is like, this is the first
01:32:01.579 --> 01:32:06.880
like dead eye continuity we've seen in this way.
01:32:07.539 --> 01:32:09.659
Yeah. And I didn't even pick it up at first.
01:32:09.699 --> 01:32:12.079
Like, like you said, you connected real quick.
01:32:12.610 --> 01:32:14.890
I know the lake scene and all that from Rise
01:32:14.890 --> 01:32:17.930
is awesome, but I forget that that's after the
01:32:17.930 --> 01:32:21.430
events of that. I wasn't thinking in the moment
01:32:21.430 --> 01:32:23.090
because I'm just watching this. I'm like, okay,
01:32:23.289 --> 01:32:26.750
these guys are getting attacked. Then as I read
01:32:26.750 --> 01:32:28.050
a little more and I was thinking about stuff,
01:32:28.250 --> 01:32:30.869
I was like, oh, wait, that is a continuation.
01:32:31.069 --> 01:32:35.529
Yes, and I like that a lot more. Yes. Well, and
01:32:35.529 --> 01:32:39.779
that's... in, it took me that set. And I think
01:32:39.779 --> 01:32:42.220
that was another thing about rise is on the first
01:32:42.220 --> 01:32:44.460
viewing. It felt a bit disjointed to me because
01:32:44.460 --> 01:32:46.939
I was like, what was that lake shit? And now
01:32:46.939 --> 01:32:50.079
we're at what is what? Yeah. And it, so watching
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.479
it the second time, now, you know, the continuity
01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.739
in the sequence. So like, you can just sit back
01:32:54.739 --> 01:32:57.880
and watch it play out. And it's so much fun as
01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:01.359
it does to see her at the very end of rise. And
01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:05.869
you're like, Oh, that's okay. And then we get,
01:33:05.869 --> 01:33:12.090
you know, this direct follow -up. And the Deadites,
01:33:12.329 --> 01:33:17.489
this time, they have intent. You know, the intent
01:33:17.489 --> 01:33:19.470
has come up a lot, but that's very interesting.
01:33:19.630 --> 01:33:21.609
And I haven't really put all this together until
01:33:21.609 --> 01:33:25.189
we've been talking about it. But that's what
01:33:25.189 --> 01:33:29.430
this movie is, is now they have a specific goal.
01:33:30.350 --> 01:33:32.850
in a different way than what we've seen. They
01:33:32.850 --> 01:33:38.670
want the Kandarian dagger. And they were awakened
01:33:38.670 --> 01:33:46.989
by this, which also... This is the first Evil
01:33:46.989 --> 01:33:51.569
Dead that did not have the Necronomicon in it
01:33:51.569 --> 01:33:55.909
at all. Yeah, which is okay, I think. Oh, yeah,
01:33:55.970 --> 01:33:59.010
yeah. I liked that they did it that way. Because,
01:33:59.010 --> 01:34:01.449
you know, you don't have to follow that same
01:34:01.449 --> 01:34:04.130
pattern, but having it be a sequel to Rise like
01:34:04.130 --> 01:34:06.250
they did, you know, the Necronomicon already
01:34:06.250 --> 01:34:07.869
kind of did what it needed to do. It's already
01:34:07.869 --> 01:34:11.569
been activated. Yep. And then, oh, we now know
01:34:11.569 --> 01:34:14.090
of this, you know, we've sensed the blade. We
01:34:14.090 --> 01:34:16.369
need to take that, you know, and get that away
01:34:16.369 --> 01:34:19.970
from people so they can't stop us. And so, you
01:34:19.970 --> 01:34:22.149
know, story -wise in the plot, that makes sense.
01:34:22.310 --> 01:34:25.689
And I like that. Yeah, that's very cool because
01:34:25.689 --> 01:34:28.810
it didn't impact me until just now that it's
01:34:28.810 --> 01:34:30.529
not even in the movie because we get that great
01:34:30.529 --> 01:34:33.050
scene where Alice is looking through the notes
01:34:33.050 --> 01:34:35.989
because we have tons of notes and drawings and
01:34:35.989 --> 01:34:38.829
really cool, like almost Grail diary kind of
01:34:38.829 --> 01:34:43.449
thing. Yes. Speaking of Last Crusade, of the
01:34:43.449 --> 01:34:46.810
research that this guy did, and we get the great
01:34:46.810 --> 01:34:51.029
scene where Alice is reading the words. Yes.
01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:56.420
but they've already been spoken right right it
01:34:56.420 --> 01:34:58.880
was so good and as she's reading them they're
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:00.859
doing the camera stuff and we as the audience
01:35:00.859 --> 01:35:03.720
are like oh shit here we go and then when she
01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:05.880
says fuck this you're like oh wait the words
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:08.680
were already spoken the the pandora's box is
01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:11.659
already open like this is happening nothing to
01:35:11.659 --> 01:35:17.699
do with her uh and and again there was i think
01:35:17.699 --> 01:35:22.329
it wasn't quite as overt as fede alvarez's movie
01:35:22.329 --> 01:35:26.449
but there was a nice little amount of playing
01:35:26.449 --> 01:35:29.649
with our expectations you know knowing they're
01:35:29.649 --> 01:35:31.729
playing to a smart audience who knows their little
01:35:31.729 --> 01:35:34.970
tricks and who knows how these things work uh
01:35:34.970 --> 01:35:38.590
and and playing around with that with us which
01:35:38.590 --> 01:35:41.649
is good very fun you have to have that you know
01:35:41.649 --> 01:35:46.029
especially when we've there's been now what uh
01:35:46.029 --> 01:35:50.520
five movies plus the tv show no six movies with
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:53.380
the TV show. And, and so, yes, you can't just
01:35:53.380 --> 01:35:56.079
keep doing the same thing. So it's nice to have
01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:58.939
that, you know, just kind of treat it like they,
01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:01.079
they, they teased the chainsaw multiple times,
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:04.319
you know, especially really at the end there,
01:36:04.340 --> 01:36:07.479
they teased it, you know, felt a little, I was
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.239
like, Oh no chains. All right. I mean, I guess,
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:11.340
I don't know. I was okay with it though. Like
01:36:11.340 --> 01:36:13.359
I was like, you don't have to have the chainsaw
01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:16.619
every time, you know, because it was, it was
01:36:16.619 --> 01:36:19.659
used really well. And it was done really great
01:36:19.659 --> 01:36:22.859
in Rise, I feel, because you had that work truck.
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.859
And it was natural. It didn't feel forced. It
01:36:25.859 --> 01:36:29.720
made sense. Oh, grab that. This, you know, I
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:32.039
did like the weed eater. That was kind of fun.
01:36:32.140 --> 01:36:35.079
Or the edger, I guess. And how long they teased
01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:37.500
it, too. It was sitting there on that mantle
01:36:37.500 --> 01:36:43.039
forever. Especially looking at that. And if anybody's
01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:45.880
ever done any yard work like that was a gnarly
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:48.380
looking freaking piece of yard equipment. That's
01:36:48.380 --> 01:36:50.039
not something anybody's going to really ever
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:52.960
use. I was like, no, we've got people. Really?
01:36:53.020 --> 01:36:56.399
We've got one of those. And I actually had to
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:59.739
you, dude. And it is if anybody listening, anybody
01:36:59.739 --> 01:37:01.579
watching, if you ever have the opportunity to
01:37:01.579 --> 01:37:03.920
use one of those things. And I don't even know
01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:05.560
what it's called. Cause I got it from my parents
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:07.479
when they moved out of there, like they had a
01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.300
bigger house and they gave us so much like yard
01:37:10.300 --> 01:37:11.939
stuff and whatever they didn't need anymore.
01:37:12.100 --> 01:37:17.420
So I have one of those and it's awesome to use.
01:37:18.779 --> 01:37:24.159
That was my one thing is when, uh, shit, I don't
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:25.859
even remember who you, it wasn't Alice that used
01:37:25.859 --> 01:37:28.619
it. Was it? No, it was, it was Alice. Cause she,
01:37:28.659 --> 01:37:30.680
no, it was Alice. Cause she went up the stairs
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:33.659
with it and everything. She cut into the ceiling.
01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:39.180
Right, right, right. My one note was she couldn't
01:37:39.180 --> 01:37:43.140
be doing that because it has a strap that helps
01:37:43.140 --> 01:37:45.659
you hold it. I was like, there's no way she's
01:37:45.659 --> 01:37:47.619
doing that without using that strap. And she
01:37:47.619 --> 01:37:52.460
didn't have the neck strap on. But yes, if you
01:37:52.460 --> 01:37:54.100
have the opportunity to use one of those things.
01:37:54.100 --> 01:37:56.460
I'm going to have to try now. It's great. It's
01:37:56.460 --> 01:38:00.569
great. It cuts through branches. I need something,
01:38:00.590 --> 01:38:02.649
you know, just in case. You never know, too.
01:38:02.750 --> 01:38:04.729
It's good for self -defense against Deadeyes.
01:38:04.810 --> 01:38:09.250
Yeah, look, it's great to have lawn tools available.
01:38:11.470 --> 01:38:15.510
So, yeah, the whole sequence of the younger brother
01:38:15.510 --> 01:38:19.029
just getting his ass beat by Edgar, the way that
01:38:19.029 --> 01:38:22.550
that was shot, where the focus wasn't even on
01:38:22.550 --> 01:38:26.699
the fight, it was about her escaping. trying
01:38:26.699 --> 01:38:29.260
to get away from it with all the violence happening
01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:31.060
in the background i thought that was really well
01:38:31.060 --> 01:38:35.199
done that was uh oh and actually speaking of
01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:40.960
which uh the director um sebastian vanisek he
01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:43.960
has another movie called infested that's what
01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:47.500
got him this job i know i haven't yes dude watch
01:38:47.500 --> 01:38:51.810
it and i i it's it's a it's a spider movie I
01:38:51.810 --> 01:38:56.569
cannot deal with spiders. But this movie, it
01:38:56.569 --> 01:38:59.550
was so good. Normally, I won't even watch anything
01:38:59.550 --> 01:39:02.569
any more realistic than Kingdom of the Spiders.
01:39:03.470 --> 01:39:05.949
That's about as much spider horror as I can handle.
01:39:05.949 --> 01:39:09.569
I need the chat in the middle of it going, no,
01:39:09.590 --> 01:39:12.909
these spiders are everywhere. That's as hardcore
01:39:12.909 --> 01:39:15.930
as I can get. But Infested was so freaking good,
01:39:16.010 --> 01:39:18.470
I couldn't turn it off. okay i'll check it out
01:39:18.470 --> 01:39:20.850
which is what made me excited about this but
01:39:20.850 --> 01:39:25.229
uh so yeah the the once she gets the the tool
01:39:25.229 --> 01:39:27.369
heads up to the bathroom and then the scene in
01:39:27.369 --> 01:39:33.069
the bathroom is i think what made this different
01:39:33.069 --> 01:39:39.850
to me is it felt like it was as much as we got
01:39:39.850 --> 01:39:43.010
the family in the last movie this one almost
01:39:43.010 --> 01:39:46.590
felt even more like a character study like the
01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.100
the family in the last movie were very good characters
01:39:49.100 --> 01:39:51.159
we liked them we got to see a bit of their lives
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:53.800
before everything went so horribly wrong and
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:55.340
that was part of what was so effective about
01:39:55.340 --> 01:39:58.020
the movie but in this one it almost felt like
01:39:58.020 --> 01:40:07.100
uh rather than being there for the spectacle
01:40:07.100 --> 01:40:12.840
of an evil dead we were there for who is this
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.340
person And also the spectacle of the evil dead.
01:40:16.479 --> 01:40:18.380
Like it was, I don't know. It was just interesting
01:40:18.380 --> 01:40:20.520
to me. It felt like a different approach. And
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.319
for me, it worked. But like I said, I think only
01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:26.460
because twice before I'd been through the, Oh,
01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:27.979
this isn't what I thought it was going to be.
01:40:28.340 --> 01:40:30.420
I've got to adjust. So I think I was kind of
01:40:30.420 --> 01:40:33.100
already ready to adjust a bit. You went in the
01:40:33.100 --> 01:40:37.319
right way. I was hoping for a rise level and
01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:39.479
it might just be, and I might not realize it.
01:40:39.500 --> 01:40:41.300
And it's just because I've seen rise so many
01:40:41.300 --> 01:40:44.550
times now. i need to watch it again and so yeah
01:40:44.550 --> 01:40:46.789
i'm gonna have to give you a second opinion once
01:40:46.789 --> 01:40:49.649
i watch it for the second time well and it i
01:40:49.649 --> 01:40:52.890
wouldn't say as far as just being gonzo horror
01:40:52.890 --> 01:40:56.529
it certainly didn't rise to the level of of rise
01:40:56.529 --> 01:40:58.449
well not rise to the level it wasn't the same
01:40:58.449 --> 01:41:01.649
level of gonzo horror as rise or as the 2013
01:41:01.649 --> 01:41:05.989
one but there was something about it that was
01:41:05.989 --> 01:41:12.859
more visceral to me uh It felt like a different
01:41:12.859 --> 01:41:14.779
thing, but it still felt very much Evil Dead
01:41:14.779 --> 01:41:17.000
because, like I said, we got those shock to the
01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:21.319
system moments that were so effective. Which
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:24.380
is the Evil Dead way. The shock to the system.
01:41:24.899 --> 01:41:29.199
But then the ending. We'll talk about the ending
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:35.460
now. They set up... I've got to go back to my
01:41:35.460 --> 01:41:40.310
last page to see the names again. What was his
01:41:40.310 --> 01:41:43.729
name? Was it Will? I think it was William. Yeah,
01:41:43.810 --> 01:41:48.729
Will, whatever. It's set up that he's coming
01:41:48.729 --> 01:41:52.850
back, which we kind of expected because over
01:41:52.850 --> 01:41:55.689
the course of the movie, there's no reason to
01:41:55.689 --> 01:41:58.250
show so much of their relationship if she isn't
01:41:58.250 --> 01:42:00.050
going to have some kind of reckoning with him
01:42:00.050 --> 01:42:04.430
at the end. So after everything else is said
01:42:04.430 --> 01:42:07.850
and done, it feels like your traditional, okay.
01:42:08.380 --> 01:42:13.239
This is the horror movie thing where this is
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:16.539
meant to feel like an end, but we've still got
01:42:16.539 --> 01:42:20.279
one last act. So we knew it wasn't over. The
01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:24.239
house is burning down, and this is where what
01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:28.220
you said about CGI comes in. I was a little surprised
01:42:28.220 --> 01:42:33.479
that that looked as corny as it did in 2026 coming
01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:38.229
from these people. Yeah. It was not a great -looking
01:42:38.229 --> 01:42:42.350
burning house. And then, unfortunately, for the
01:42:42.350 --> 01:42:45.930
remainder of the movie, we got a not -great -looking
01:42:45.930 --> 01:42:51.170
deadite. I was not impressed with Will's look
01:42:51.170 --> 01:42:56.350
at all. No, I like the idea of it, like a hard,
01:42:56.729 --> 01:43:00.609
burnt man, but it could have been done so much
01:43:00.609 --> 01:43:03.479
better. better i feel like if you did maybe prosthetics
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:06.560
and then had mixed that with green screen on
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:09.020
his body you know like green suit maybe i don't
01:43:09.020 --> 01:43:10.619
know if they did that but it just didn't look
01:43:10.619 --> 01:43:12.739
right to me and maybe it was because so much
01:43:12.739 --> 01:43:16.699
was gone and they were trying but it i mean it
01:43:16.699 --> 01:43:18.619
doesn't even compare but like all i could think
01:43:18.619 --> 01:43:21.659
of was like early the mummy you know like yeah
01:43:21.659 --> 01:43:26.779
yeah same It was way better than that, but you're
01:43:26.779 --> 01:43:30.039
right. In a way, it just felt like this shouldn't
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:36.140
look like this now. I am curious to see how they
01:43:36.140 --> 01:43:38.560
shot it because I don't know if you've seen the
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:43.039
newest Silent Hill. If you haven't, don't. It's
01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:46.279
fucking terrible. I had a feeling that's probably
01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:52.399
why I didn't watch it. Most of it is practical.
01:43:53.359 --> 01:43:57.399
with digital enhancement which I think is exactly
01:43:57.399 --> 01:44:03.460
the way things should be right but it all looks
01:44:03.460 --> 01:44:07.159
like shitty CGI I don't even understand how they
01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:10.340
accomplished that and that's how this guy felt
01:44:10.340 --> 01:44:14.140
to me watching it in my head I was like man I
01:44:14.140 --> 01:44:17.760
bet this is like Silent Hill where once we see
01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:22.260
the pre effects shots we're going to be shocked
01:44:22.260 --> 01:44:26.960
at how much of him is practical and that the
01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:30.619
cg wasn't up to snuff for what they were trying
01:44:30.619 --> 01:44:34.560
to achieve because it just doesn't look it kind
01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:38.760
of looks like a 2006 like playstation game yeah
01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:45.279
and it was very disappointing that we've been
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:49.579
with alice Through all of this. We now know her
01:44:49.579 --> 01:44:54.460
trauma. We now know the past. And she gets this
01:44:54.460 --> 01:44:58.800
opportunity. To face. You know. This horrible
01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:02.260
villain of her life. And he looks like. Like
01:45:02.260 --> 01:45:06.739
you said. He looks like CGI Arnold Boslu. Freaking
01:45:06.739 --> 01:45:10.359
Imhotep over here. And it's just like. Come on
01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:12.359
guys. It just takes you out of the movie. Especially
01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:15.039
when Rise had such a huge climax. Again they
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:17.609
came up with something really. screwed up coming
01:45:17.609 --> 01:45:19.670
at you and you're just like mind blown whereas
01:45:19.670 --> 01:45:23.130
now all the stuff before the movie was the best
01:45:23.130 --> 01:45:26.449
stuff and so it's a bummer when they don't stick
01:45:26.449 --> 01:45:32.149
the landing and like it was again it wasn't at
01:45:32.149 --> 01:45:34.670
the house it was just it could have been better
01:45:34.670 --> 01:45:37.130
that was big too that was big too that they took
01:45:37.130 --> 01:45:40.609
us to now I mean we did see the construction
01:45:40.609 --> 01:45:44.149
site earlier in the movie and it did sort of
01:45:44.149 --> 01:45:46.989
feel like well there's there's a reason they're
01:45:46.989 --> 01:45:48.949
making a big deal about all this construction
01:45:48.949 --> 01:45:55.670
but it it just felt odd to end it there and not
01:45:55.670 --> 01:45:58.250
in the house and and maybe again maybe watching
01:45:58.250 --> 01:46:00.369
it a second time it'll feel more natural to me
01:46:00.369 --> 01:46:05.130
you know maybe maybe earlier in the movie knowing
01:46:05.130 --> 01:46:07.890
what happens at the construction site will make
01:46:07.890 --> 01:46:13.750
that more impactful it may uh so yeah i mean
01:46:13.750 --> 01:46:15.510
you can't really have an opinion until you've
01:46:15.510 --> 01:46:18.850
seen something a second time uh unless it's the
01:46:18.850 --> 01:46:22.149
new silent hill which is just dog shit but uh
01:46:22.149 --> 01:46:29.770
just now um but yeah overall i i was just the
01:46:29.770 --> 01:46:34.250
the in the morgue like when when edgar punches
01:46:34.250 --> 01:46:38.550
out of the okay so we got to talk about the the
01:46:38.550 --> 01:46:44.109
overly awkward funeral Not Edgar. When William
01:46:44.109 --> 01:46:49.550
punches out of the casket and that's when things
01:46:49.550 --> 01:46:52.350
start to go really, really bad. And our poor
01:46:52.350 --> 01:46:56.770
funeral attendant guy who can't get the casket
01:46:56.770 --> 01:47:00.590
off the stage. That was great. That was good,
01:47:00.590 --> 01:47:04.890
awkward -ass humor. Yes. And I love that they
01:47:04.890 --> 01:47:08.350
stopped just shy of the casket falling over and
01:47:08.350 --> 01:47:12.220
the body rolling out. They made it just... painful
01:47:12.220 --> 01:47:17.180
enough and then this poor guy gets back there
01:47:17.180 --> 01:47:20.079
and first has to deal with Edgar which nobody
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:24.619
should have to deal with Edgar and then has to
01:47:24.619 --> 01:47:30.539
deal with William who's come back and it's the
01:47:30.539 --> 01:47:35.079
setup of it again I think where I truly appreciate
01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:39.729
it is that we all knew where it was headed And
01:47:39.729 --> 01:47:41.649
just how long is it going to take the characters
01:47:41.649 --> 01:47:48.229
to catch up? So I, I loved it. I can forgive
01:47:48.229 --> 01:47:53.489
the ending because it didn't, it didn't undo
01:47:53.489 --> 01:47:56.270
what I had enjoyed so much of before, but I feel
01:47:56.270 --> 01:47:59.329
like the characters in the movie deserve better
01:47:59.329 --> 01:48:04.329
than how it looked at least. But it's still an
01:48:04.329 --> 01:48:06.189
evil dead movie and we're at the movie. Yeah.
01:48:06.189 --> 01:48:09.609
New evil dead movie. And it's. I still enjoyed
01:48:09.609 --> 01:48:11.449
it, even though I have some gripes with it and
01:48:11.449 --> 01:48:14.310
I have some issues, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a
01:48:14.310 --> 01:48:16.729
little critical because I love evil dead. And
01:48:16.729 --> 01:48:19.310
so I'm going to be that way. But again, I watched
01:48:19.310 --> 01:48:21.970
it again. Are we going to talk about the after
01:48:21.970 --> 01:48:25.130
credits? Are we? Yes, we are. Yes, we are. So
01:48:25.130 --> 01:48:29.470
we've got two. We do after credits. The first
01:48:29.470 --> 01:48:33.289
one we get was a wonderful surprise because we
01:48:33.289 --> 01:48:35.310
realized like, we don't know what happened to
01:48:35.310 --> 01:48:38.819
Polly. Oh, well, Polly. is just crawling down
01:48:38.819 --> 01:48:44.659
the road and when we see the car in the background
01:48:44.659 --> 01:48:47.340
my first thought because as i said i will never
01:48:47.340 --> 01:48:50.279
give up on this my first thought was oh my gosh
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:53.220
it's going to be mia and she's going to know
01:48:53.220 --> 01:48:58.279
what's up and just take polly out yeah that would
01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:02.920
be great but what we get is an innocent bystander
01:49:03.739 --> 01:49:06.939
who Polly scratches and infects and presumably
01:49:06.939 --> 01:49:09.760
sends on her legs. But what happened to your
01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.439
legs? Whatever she says. And then she says, but
01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:14.680
yours will do just fine. And then scratches her.
01:49:16.340 --> 01:49:19.199
Which again, kind of suggests the intent thing
01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:24.359
because just a scratch can do it. Yeah. It's
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:29.500
like choosing. Right, right. So that was a nice
01:49:29.500 --> 01:49:34.670
more to come. type of credit scene but then the
01:49:34.670 --> 01:49:40.649
final after credit scene that completely blew
01:49:40.649 --> 01:49:45.350
me away yep it redeemed never expected yeah oh
01:49:45.350 --> 01:49:48.649
yeah oh for sure for sure like it and that you're
01:49:48.649 --> 01:49:53.430
right if if nothing had happened after that ending
01:49:53.430 --> 01:49:56.449
i probably wouldn't be as high on the movie as
01:49:56.449 --> 01:49:59.770
i am But those two post -credit scenes were so
01:49:59.770 --> 01:50:03.890
satisfying. So the second one, which is the return
01:50:03.890 --> 01:50:08.250
of Alyssa Sutherland's character. Yeah, and it
01:50:08.250 --> 01:50:09.989
was done well. I thought it was done well. It
01:50:09.989 --> 01:50:12.130
was cool to see her. It was done brutally well,
01:50:12.250 --> 01:50:17.350
and it felt more like a piece of Evil Dead Rise
01:50:17.350 --> 01:50:21.949
because that sweet little girl who... You just
01:50:21.949 --> 01:50:23.869
know nothing bad is going to happen to you. And
01:50:23.869 --> 01:50:25.529
I literally, when I say that, I'm saying that
01:50:25.529 --> 01:50:27.449
I really didn't think anything bad was going
01:50:27.449 --> 01:50:32.189
to happen to her. I thought at worst, she'll
01:50:32.189 --> 01:50:34.449
get spooked and the screen will go black. Who
01:50:34.449 --> 01:50:36.449
knows what's going to happen? But certainly,
01:50:36.609 --> 01:50:40.010
she's going to run out of there screaming. It's
01:50:40.010 --> 01:50:42.729
probably going to be the end result. So first
01:50:42.729 --> 01:50:47.590
we get Alyssa Sutherland in the mirror. Unbelievable.
01:50:48.569 --> 01:50:51.239
Unbelievable. And it could have cut there. I
01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:53.060
thought it was going to cut there. I was like,
01:50:53.100 --> 01:50:57.779
that's enough. I'm good. Cool. But because it's
01:50:57.779 --> 01:51:02.300
Evil Dead, shock to the system, she pops up behind
01:51:02.300 --> 01:51:06.979
the girl and rips her fucking head in half. She
01:51:06.979 --> 01:51:10.920
really does. Dude, it's one of the most brutal
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:15.560
things I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah. It's gnarly.
01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:20.039
And the fact that it's a kid, because even now...
01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:25.159
with as graphic as movies have gotten and as
01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:28.960
many things that were once taboo are no longer
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:32.979
taboo, you still don't often see something happening
01:51:32.979 --> 01:51:37.279
to kids. Yes. Especially innocent, sweet kids.
01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:43.199
Sure. It was a big deal even just, what, a year
01:51:43.199 --> 01:51:47.060
or two ago with Terrorfire 3. They're like, we're
01:51:47.060 --> 01:51:50.479
not pulling punches, and they didn't. And so,
01:51:50.579 --> 01:51:54.640
you know, kids have died in movies over the years
01:51:54.640 --> 01:52:00.439
before. Sure. I still love the scene from Assault
01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:02.279
on Precinct 13. I don't know if you ever watched
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:05.119
the original John Carpenter, Assault on Precinct
01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:07.560
13. It's been a minute, but yes. A brutal moment
01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:10.819
of a child dying in it. So, you know, it's been
01:52:10.819 --> 01:52:13.920
there before, but it's not commonplace in movies.
01:52:13.979 --> 01:52:16.960
Macaulay Culkin in The Bees, we all know. Yes,
01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:24.140
yes. He can't see without his glasses. Yes. And
01:52:24.140 --> 01:52:27.180
it happens. Yes. But like, and usually it's not
01:52:27.180 --> 01:52:29.779
brutal though. It's either off screen or if it
01:52:29.779 --> 01:52:32.579
is on screen, it's not this. So that, yeah, that
01:52:32.579 --> 01:52:34.819
was, that was pretty next level right there.
01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:40.819
Well, and next level. And also it's not even
01:52:40.819 --> 01:52:44.619
in the movie. It's not even like, like, like
01:52:44.619 --> 01:52:47.779
it was meant as. we're gonna get you one more
01:52:47.779 --> 01:52:50.140
time before you walk out of this theater i mean
01:52:50.140 --> 01:52:52.899
solid and then she you know what would she say
01:52:52.899 --> 01:52:57.800
mommy's back yes mommy's back and that also now
01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:02.279
rewrites a little bit of the dead -eyed history
01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:04.779
where like okay once they've been destroyed how
01:53:04.779 --> 01:53:07.000
do they come back so because she was genuinely
01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:10.159
destroyed you know like completely obliterated
01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:12.729
through a wood chipper so you know, okay, well,
01:53:12.810 --> 01:53:14.829
how's this work? But that's fun because it is,
01:53:14.829 --> 01:53:17.989
it's blood, dark magic, demonic power. I don't
01:53:17.989 --> 01:53:20.390
feel like there's any real rules to follow. So
01:53:20.390 --> 01:53:22.909
why not bring that character back? She's, she's
01:53:22.909 --> 01:53:26.369
so good. It, it doesn't feel like something that
01:53:26.369 --> 01:53:29.149
goes against the lore. It feels like something
01:53:29.149 --> 01:53:34.930
that we have not explored yet. Yeah. So I'm,
01:53:34.930 --> 01:53:36.409
I'm here. We're going to have to have a fourth
01:53:36.409 --> 01:53:38.409
movie at some point, because I mean, the third
01:53:38.409 --> 01:53:42.069
one's going to be a prequel. Right. So it feels
01:53:42.069 --> 01:53:44.130
like they're setting all those dominoes up and
01:53:44.130 --> 01:53:47.270
setting the stage for the next movie. Yeah, absolutely.
01:53:47.470 --> 01:53:49.250
Cause whatever happened with Polly, like that
01:53:49.250 --> 01:53:51.869
has to go somewhere. And then, you know, mommy
01:53:51.869 --> 01:53:54.590
being back, that's gotta go somewhere. However,
01:53:54.829 --> 01:53:59.149
the thing that I have to remind myself as, you
01:53:59.149 --> 01:54:01.310
know, as evil dead wrath happens two years from
01:54:01.310 --> 01:54:03.750
now, presumably two years after that is the goal
01:54:03.750 --> 01:54:05.750
for, which I don't even want to talk about 2030,
01:54:06.029 --> 01:54:09.840
but that's where we are. Yeah. presumably 2030
01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:13.520
would be the goal but this being evil dead we
01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:16.319
also may never see any of that and get some kind
01:54:16.319 --> 01:54:19.460
of reboot in 2030 or nothing at all or what i
01:54:19.460 --> 01:54:22.500
so like i'm trying not to hang my hopes too much
01:54:22.500 --> 01:54:25.819
on those things and just enjoy them for the moment
01:54:25.819 --> 01:54:29.600
that they provided because you know we don't
01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:32.239
know where things will go so whatever comes after
01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:36.100
wrath i'm not going to expect you know polly's
01:54:36.100 --> 01:54:39.199
dead eyed or even elissa sutherland because who
01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:41.979
knows i'll whatever it is it's gonna be evil
01:54:41.979 --> 01:54:45.399
dead yes and i'll be happy to see more evil dead
01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:47.079
i hope they continue the story because i want
01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:49.520
to see what happens next i hope they bring mia
01:54:49.520 --> 01:54:50.800
back because that would be fun i want them to
01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:53.359
bring beth back you know from from rides yeah
01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:56.579
yeah which would be cool so we'll see maybe that's
01:54:56.579 --> 01:54:58.720
what we're gearing up to some big battle royale
01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:01.850
of you know the the remaining heroes or something
01:55:01.850 --> 01:55:05.390
crazy uh having to kind of band together i don't
01:55:05.390 --> 01:55:07.289
know i i could see something like that happening
01:55:07.289 --> 01:55:09.489
i'm okay with it you know bring a little bit
01:55:09.489 --> 01:55:12.930
of that so who knows absolutely well we were
01:55:12.930 --> 01:55:15.770
it was in the notes to talk about the toys a
01:55:15.770 --> 01:55:18.810
little bit but we're we're definitely running
01:55:18.810 --> 01:55:20.850
short on time now so we're gonna leave the toys
01:55:20.850 --> 01:55:25.250
aside i'll just say uh i'm glad we've even got
01:55:25.250 --> 01:55:28.880
toys i mean I meant to bring it out here with
01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:32.119
me. I think I might have sent you a picture of
01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:38.060
it at some point. Nice. Trick or treat. Is that
01:55:38.060 --> 01:55:39.539
trick or treat? No, it's not trick or treat studios.
01:55:40.100 --> 01:55:42.460
Syndicate. Yeah. That's right. That's right.
01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:46.680
Syndicate collectibles. Yeah. It's fun. It's
01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:58.399
pretty fun. Oh, man. I was very, very. Oh, my
01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:02.140
gosh. Now, is that... And for anybody listening,
01:56:02.340 --> 01:56:05.680
that's the Syndicate Collectibles replica ash
01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:09.460
chainsaw. Do you think those are sampled from
01:56:09.460 --> 01:56:12.140
the movie? Because that sounded exactly right.
01:56:12.340 --> 01:56:14.920
Like, it didn't sound like some generic chainsaw
01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:18.520
bullshit, you know? Yeah, they might have. Because
01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:21.119
this sounds great. I love the blood effect here.
01:56:21.279 --> 01:56:25.109
Like, it's actually... It looks good. Well, and
01:56:25.109 --> 01:56:27.149
it has a thickness to it, it looks like. It does.
01:56:27.149 --> 01:56:31.470
It's raised up and everything. Oh, man. I'm going
01:56:31.470 --> 01:56:37.270
to have to look into that. It's fun. It's good.
01:56:37.630 --> 01:56:40.930
Real quick, I meant to ask when we were talking
01:56:40.930 --> 01:56:42.970
about Burn, did you get to see Bruce Campbell
01:56:42.970 --> 01:56:48.789
in the movie? I'm trying to think. Oh, he was
01:56:48.789 --> 01:56:52.229
when they did the flashback scene. Wasn't he
01:56:52.229 --> 01:56:57.220
the... No, I don't think so. So he there's a
01:56:57.220 --> 01:57:01.000
there's a photo on the wall and it's just a picture
01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:03.600
of Bruce Campbell like smirking. And it's when
01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:05.979
Pauly's going up the stairs on the little chair
01:57:05.979 --> 01:57:08.720
and it's just a frame like eight by ten of his
01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:12.880
face. Oh, and bird and bird and bird. Yes. No.
01:57:12.979 --> 01:57:15.439
OK, no, I didn't catch that at all. Yeah. So
01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:17.920
when she's going up the stairs, did I not say
01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:21.159
burn? I don't know. But yeah, you did. You did,
01:57:21.220 --> 01:57:23.539
but when you said it, I was thinking Rise. Ah,
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:25.779
well, so yeah, because he's a voice in Rise.
01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.640
He's like, the book should be destroyed, you
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:30.340
know, in the background, in the recording, which
01:57:30.340 --> 01:57:33.899
I love. But I just laugh so hard when I see,
01:57:34.079 --> 01:57:36.840
because it's like cheesy older Bruce, you know,
01:57:36.859 --> 01:57:39.239
of course, like just hamming it up in the smile
01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.220
too for the photo. You have to, when you watch
01:57:42.220 --> 01:57:44.039
it again, when she's going up the stairs, you'll
01:57:44.039 --> 01:57:45.680
see it, you won't miss it. Now, a lot of people
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.750
did miss it. Because I asked a few people and
01:57:48.750 --> 01:57:49.930
they're like, no, I didn't see that. I was like,
01:57:49.989 --> 01:57:52.970
oh man, it's great, but it also kind of takes
01:57:52.970 --> 01:57:54.930
you out for a second because you're just laughing.
01:57:55.329 --> 01:57:58.670
But it's great. It's still a great cameo. That's
01:57:58.670 --> 01:58:00.430
the kind of Easter egg I love, though, is something
01:58:00.430 --> 01:58:02.989
that you can, because look, all the stuff with
01:58:02.989 --> 01:58:06.310
Polly in the chair is just, because they're basically
01:58:06.310 --> 01:58:08.750
having to force her into it. And then at the
01:58:08.750 --> 01:58:12.409
end, when she gets hung up in it, I mean, it's
01:58:12.409 --> 01:58:19.000
all pretty good. pretty good content it is so
01:58:19.000 --> 01:58:21.720
it's easy to miss like what's going on around
01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:25.000
her as i use the word content that's not it's
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:27.720
a good set piece is what i was trying to say
01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:32.720
yes well that's uh i think that's really about
01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:35.479
all the evil dead time we've got for tonight
01:58:35.479 --> 01:58:37.880
oh real real quick about the toys i'll just say
01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:41.180
i'm glad we've got toys i made a custom ash years
01:58:41.180 --> 01:58:45.319
and years and years ago out of it's half a trendmasters
01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:51.750
tarzan and half of mcfarlane spawn like a bum
01:58:51.750 --> 01:58:55.310
or something i can't it was it was it was the
01:58:55.310 --> 01:58:57.430
closest thing i could find to like good pants
01:58:57.430 --> 01:59:01.130
legs yeah so it's got the the whole upper half
01:59:01.130 --> 01:59:03.810
of it is one of those trendmaster tarzans and
01:59:03.810 --> 01:59:07.449
he's in mid yell so he's kind of like got the
01:59:07.449 --> 01:59:10.550
fate and it looks a little bruce campbell if
01:59:10.550 --> 01:59:12.350
you google that i don't i thought i had it sitting
01:59:12.350 --> 01:59:16.659
over here and i don't and then I will. I will.
01:59:17.979 --> 01:59:22.199
And then the chainsaw I think also was from a
01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:24.199
McFarland figure. I don't remember which one.
01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:28.520
There was a big tall guy that I think had a chainsaw
01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.680
hand. But anyway, it was all just hip -bashed
01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:33.899
together. I painted it up. Put a Soft Goods shirt
01:59:33.899 --> 01:59:36.239
on it so it could look. Because there was no
01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:41.220
way to get the shirt tear right. So he's got
01:59:41.220 --> 01:59:46.289
like a Soft Goods shirt super glued on. Gotta
01:59:46.289 --> 01:59:48.250
do what we gotta do to have our Ashley Williams.
01:59:49.210 --> 01:59:53.470
But now we've got McFarlane, Sideshow, Palisades,
01:59:53.529 --> 01:59:57.029
NECA, Super 7, Mezco, the recent retro style
01:59:57.029 --> 01:59:59.149
stuff from Zombie Sailor. Have you seen those?
01:59:59.529 --> 02:00:04.289
Yeah. I have Ash over there. I haven't gotten
02:00:04.289 --> 02:00:06.029
any of the other Army of Darkness stuff yet,
02:00:06.050 --> 02:00:08.550
but I want to grab them. I want to grab the Well
02:00:08.550 --> 02:00:13.890
Deadite. I think they did S -Mart Ash, right?
02:00:14.350 --> 02:00:17.010
Yeah, they did the Pit Witch and S -Mart Ash.
02:00:17.390 --> 02:00:19.689
And I haven't opened... The Pit Witch is incredible.
02:00:20.010 --> 02:00:23.109
It's the, you know, obviously real metal chains.
02:00:23.289 --> 02:00:26.829
But they're also, like, distressed. Like, they've
02:00:26.829 --> 02:00:29.850
got paint on them, so they look all cruddy. Really
02:00:29.850 --> 02:00:35.010
fantastic. And I'm hoping... Yeah, he's... That
02:00:35.010 --> 02:00:37.130
guy is very serious about, like, his quality.
02:00:38.210 --> 02:00:41.170
And I'm hoping the S -Mart Ash parts are swappable
02:00:41.170 --> 02:00:45.989
with the regular Ash. because he's got... It'd
02:00:45.989 --> 02:00:48.710
be cool to swap the chainsaw and the metal hand
02:00:48.710 --> 02:00:52.189
and the heads or whatever. But I haven't opened
02:00:52.189 --> 02:00:56.210
that one up yet. I need to pick them up. I want
02:00:56.210 --> 02:01:01.649
NECA to start doing some more stuff because they
02:01:01.649 --> 02:01:03.510
keep doing... I appreciate that they're getting
02:01:03.510 --> 02:01:08.090
the older characters out, but now we've got...
02:01:08.090 --> 02:01:11.010
I feel like we've got at least two, if not three,
02:01:11.109 --> 02:01:15.199
two packs. that are ash and then one of the other
02:01:15.199 --> 02:01:17.619
characters yeah and it really is getting to a
02:01:17.619 --> 02:01:20.479
point where i'm like i've got 50 ash figures
02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:24.659
i need more have some in your fires and just
02:01:24.659 --> 02:01:27.699
do a two pack of deadites or something yeah yeah
02:01:27.699 --> 02:01:30.960
i i really like the the ash versus evil dead
02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:33.739
figures that came out like they're great those
02:01:33.739 --> 02:01:37.359
are fun um those are really done well too and
02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:39.800
i'm still mad that i don't have the ashy slashy
02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:43.840
puppet I didn't order it. Now it's stupid expensive.
02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:45.800
Do you have it? Of course you do. I'm going to
02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:53.000
get up right now. I don't know if you can even
02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:55.920
hear me from across the room. I can. I'm projecting
02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:58.680
the best I can. This might be the first time
02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:03.079
the Zoom pajama pants have been seen on screen.
02:02:03.779 --> 02:02:06.939
If you're going to get up for anything, you're
02:02:06.939 --> 02:02:12.009
going to get up for this guy. This was a... Unfortunately,
02:02:12.009 --> 02:02:16.970
Ashy Slashy is a little dusty, wusty. But he's
02:02:16.970 --> 02:02:21.369
actually got articulation. Oh, that's amazing.
02:02:21.789 --> 02:02:25.770
In the arms, their little, like, ball joint.
02:02:25.989 --> 02:02:27.989
Like, you know how workstations, you'll have
02:02:27.989 --> 02:02:30.130
cameras or lights or whatever mounted on those
02:02:30.130 --> 02:02:32.890
ball -jointed gooseneck -type things? It's that
02:02:32.890 --> 02:02:38.180
in his little arms. And it's actually a very
02:02:38.180 --> 02:02:42.000
well -made puppet. There's, you know, it's got
02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.779
your standard mouth, but there's a loop in the
02:02:44.779 --> 02:02:48.159
top so you can actually pull up rather than,
02:02:48.199 --> 02:02:51.340
you know, most mass market puppets aren't made
02:02:51.340 --> 02:02:54.260
for real puppetry. Like they're just, you know,
02:02:54.260 --> 02:02:57.159
it's just this and that's it. But this is actually
02:02:57.159 --> 02:02:59.800
constructed like a real puppet would be constructed.
02:03:01.039 --> 02:03:04.380
That's so good. It's fantastic. Yeah, this was
02:03:04.380 --> 02:03:07.729
a must. have for me i i was like there's no way
02:03:07.729 --> 02:03:10.010
i can't get this and then i don't know if i can
02:03:10.010 --> 02:03:11.789
reach it from here let me see if i can reach
02:03:11.789 --> 02:03:15.130
it from here because this is another like really
02:03:15.130 --> 02:03:19.470
fun thing that i looked into oh will it pull
02:03:19.470 --> 02:03:23.510
past all right we're getting everything that
02:03:23.510 --> 02:03:26.710
i may pull the sail barge off the shelf don't
02:03:26.710 --> 02:03:30.090
do it but it's worth it for the for the evil
02:03:30.090 --> 02:03:36.270
dead podcast all right kevin Oh, is it a foam
02:03:36.270 --> 02:03:43.149
finger? Yes. And it's literally, it goes on your
02:03:43.149 --> 02:03:53.310
hand. So we went to Savannah, Georgia for a friend
02:03:53.310 --> 02:03:56.369
of ours, a great band called the Casket Creatures.
02:03:56.430 --> 02:03:59.210
Everybody check out the Casket Creatures. They
02:03:59.210 --> 02:04:05.000
were playing at a brewery. for they were doing
02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:08.279
a vampire ball so it was like this big everybody
02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:10.560
was supposed to dress up like vampires and it
02:04:10.560 --> 02:04:14.720
was it was a really awesome event but I knew
02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.039
that my buddy Ryan was going to be proposing
02:04:17.039 --> 02:04:22.960
that night like that and yeah it was it was awesome
02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:25.699
awesome event well there's a toy store in Savannah
02:04:25.699 --> 02:04:28.199
and I can't remember what it's called but we
02:04:28.199 --> 02:04:30.479
of course we're in a different town we're going
02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:32.789
to go check out the toy store of course and they
02:04:32.789 --> 02:04:39.130
had this just up like as decor yeah and i asked
02:04:39.130 --> 02:04:41.149
the guy i was like hey how much is that and he
02:04:41.149 --> 02:04:42.710
was like oh i think it's just kind of sitting
02:04:42.710 --> 02:04:45.649
there and i was like well i mean everything has
02:04:45.649 --> 02:04:47.750
a price he was like i don't know like he was
02:04:47.750 --> 02:04:51.369
like i don't know like 15 bucks i was like sold
02:04:51.369 --> 02:04:57.029
sold sold because i'm out of there so fast that's
02:04:57.029 --> 02:05:00.510
amazing versus evil dead foam thing printed on
02:05:00.510 --> 02:05:03.510
both sides too that's so good it's got those
02:05:03.510 --> 02:05:05.670
stars on the on the pull string and everything
02:05:05.670 --> 02:05:08.510
oh yeah dude it's i mean this is i mean i love
02:05:08.510 --> 02:05:12.090
uh one of my favorite things from from work in
02:05:12.090 --> 02:05:14.029
retail years and years ago was all the promotional
02:05:14.029 --> 02:05:16.069
stuff that i would get like working at gamestop
02:05:16.069 --> 02:05:19.550
working at suncoast like just the weird tchotchkes
02:05:19.550 --> 02:05:22.210
that you would get those are the best i've got
02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:25.439
uh from working at the music store i've got a
02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:31.579
soul fly soccer ball uh i've got a uh from castaway
02:05:31.579 --> 02:05:35.600
i've got a wilson antenna topper that's great
02:05:35.600 --> 02:05:38.640
oh i love that just weird stuff that they come
02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:41.140
up with to promote it's super rare usually too
02:05:41.140 --> 02:05:43.180
because nobody usually holds on to that stuff
02:05:43.180 --> 02:05:46.340
right yeah that's fun it's it's interesting you
02:05:46.340 --> 02:05:48.279
know it's a fun like piece for the collection
02:05:49.140 --> 02:05:51.619
which reminds me the movie theater that we saw
02:05:51.619 --> 02:05:55.600
evil dead burn in had a massive poster. Like
02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:57.920
they have a larger size. It's not like a big
02:05:57.920 --> 02:06:00.779
IMAX poster. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a really large
02:06:00.779 --> 02:06:04.720
poster. And I asked the girl there, uh, I said,
02:06:04.739 --> 02:06:06.380
you don't have any more of that poster. Do you?
02:06:06.659 --> 02:06:10.100
Uh, and she was like, well, come back when it's
02:06:10.100 --> 02:06:12.479
done. So I got to remember to go back to the
02:06:12.479 --> 02:06:14.819
theater. I got to keep an eye on show times.
02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:18.199
Cause I need that. big ass poster that would
02:06:18.199 --> 02:06:21.060
be awesome yeah that's that's super cool that
02:06:21.060 --> 02:06:23.479
like i got the small one back there well i mean
02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:26.920
it's 27 by 40 yeah i actually had bought a he
02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:29.520
-man poster from masters universe on ebay so
02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:30.819
i was like i need to get this before the movie
02:06:30.819 --> 02:06:32.479
comes out i don't know if it's gonna shoot up
02:06:32.479 --> 02:06:35.560
or go down who knows and either way the poster
02:06:35.560 --> 02:06:37.760
is awesome and it came in a little damaged and
02:06:37.760 --> 02:06:39.100
i asked the dude if he could send me a new one
02:06:39.100 --> 02:06:40.829
and he's like i don't have any more And he's
02:06:40.829 --> 02:06:41.890
like, do you want anything else? I'm like, you
02:06:41.890 --> 02:06:43.529
got Evil Dead? And he's like, yeah, I got you.
02:06:43.590 --> 02:06:45.529
And that's why I got the Evil Dead one. Nice.
02:06:45.649 --> 02:06:48.989
All right, that works. That's cool. That's really
02:06:48.989 --> 02:06:51.449
cool. Well, and movie posters, because that was
02:06:51.449 --> 02:06:55.050
a big thing that I collected for years. And they're
02:06:55.050 --> 02:06:57.390
not printed in the quantities that they used
02:06:57.390 --> 02:06:59.909
to be. And they're so often not one sheets anymore.
02:07:01.710 --> 02:07:03.930
It's a different thing now. I remember when I
02:07:03.930 --> 02:07:08.229
brought my, I've got a Rob Zombie Halloween 2
02:07:08.229 --> 02:07:13.569
movie poster. that a lot of the cast have signed.
02:07:13.970 --> 02:07:17.229
And when I brought it to Malcolm McDowell, he
02:07:17.229 --> 02:07:18.989
actually asked me, he was like, where did you
02:07:18.989 --> 02:07:22.109
get that? Because these were not produced in,
02:07:22.109 --> 02:07:24.130
in numbers at all. And I was like, I looked it
02:07:24.130 --> 02:07:25.609
up and ordered it online. And he was like, this
02:07:25.609 --> 02:07:27.109
is great. This is the first one of these I'd
02:07:27.109 --> 02:07:32.229
signed. So like movie posters are like as, as
02:07:32.229 --> 02:07:36.270
special as I've always felt. They, they are.
02:07:36.970 --> 02:07:39.369
Like now, I mean, if it's a good one and not
02:07:39.369 --> 02:07:42.670
one of these fucking Photoshop heads. Garbage.
02:07:42.770 --> 02:07:47.510
Yep. Things. They're like even more significant
02:07:47.510 --> 02:07:49.550
now, which is it doesn't surprise me that he
02:07:49.550 --> 02:07:52.670
was out of the Masters one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
02:07:52.670 --> 02:07:54.329
because that's the one poster. It's funny you
02:07:54.329 --> 02:07:56.109
say you have the Halloween two signed. I've got
02:07:56.109 --> 02:08:00.649
the House of a Thousand Corpses and Devil's Rejects
02:08:00.649 --> 02:08:03.329
signed by a lot of the cast. I haven't met Rob
02:08:03.329 --> 02:08:06.229
Zombie yet, but I've got almost everybody else.
02:08:06.810 --> 02:08:10.489
I've got zombie on my Halloween too, because
02:08:10.489 --> 02:08:17.029
I took it to, uh, Oh shit. What was the festival
02:08:17.029 --> 02:08:21.890
after Oz fest? Is it hell fest maybe or something
02:08:21.890 --> 02:08:25.029
like that? It was like monster energy presents,
02:08:25.090 --> 02:08:30.069
whatever it was. Well, anyway, I, they fortunately
02:08:30.069 --> 02:08:32.229
announced beforehand that he was going to be
02:08:32.229 --> 02:08:35.430
doing a signing at the festival. So I brought
02:08:35.430 --> 02:08:39.170
the frickin' to an outdoor amphitheater, you
02:08:39.170 --> 02:08:44.289
know, six hours. But I was like, there's no way
02:08:44.289 --> 02:08:46.430
I'll ever have another opportunity to get Rob
02:08:46.430 --> 02:08:49.489
Zombie to sign this thing. Yeah, he just doesn't
02:08:49.489 --> 02:08:52.050
do signings, it seems like. No, no, he really
02:08:52.050 --> 02:08:54.550
doesn't. And Sherry Moon Zombie certainly doesn't
02:08:54.550 --> 02:08:56.890
do a lot of signings or anything. So I can't
02:08:56.890 --> 02:09:01.239
imagine, probably never get that one. Yeah, well,
02:09:01.500 --> 02:09:03.600
keep an eye on it. I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:07.220
we'll get one someday. We both have posters to
02:09:07.220 --> 02:09:12.760
finish off. So to close it out with some toy
02:09:12.760 --> 02:09:16.239
talk, what do you have a favorite or favorites
02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:19.000
from what we've gotten out of Evil Dead? I mean,
02:09:19.020 --> 02:09:21.899
we talked about that. I think, even though it's
02:09:21.899 --> 02:09:24.399
not my favorite look, I think that Ultimate Ash
02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:28.439
from Ash vs. Evil Dead is probably the best Ash
02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:31.180
figure we've gotten. it's really good and it
02:09:31.180 --> 02:09:33.060
really feels like Bruce Campbell from that time
02:09:33.060 --> 02:09:35.960
I think that's one of my favorites I really like
02:09:35.960 --> 02:09:39.500
um I haven't messed with it too much yet I wouldn't
02:09:39.500 --> 02:09:42.859
say it's I don't know if I'd say it's my favorite
02:09:42.859 --> 02:09:44.539
but it's one that's popping into my head right
02:09:44.539 --> 02:09:46.500
now I was just really excited that they released
02:09:46.500 --> 02:09:49.100
it was the two pack of Ash and his sister Cheryl
02:09:49.100 --> 02:09:52.800
because we got her in in in dead eye form and
02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:54.739
having that face because it's just such an iconic
02:09:55.680 --> 02:09:58.300
look her in the cellar you know and stuff like
02:09:58.300 --> 02:10:01.340
that so i like that we got that in toy form um
02:10:01.340 --> 02:10:04.039
but yeah really any of the neca stuff really
02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.840
nailed it actually no i had the sideshow ash
02:10:06.840 --> 02:10:10.380
uh from evil dead 2 and that thing's freaking
02:10:10.380 --> 02:10:13.159
awesome like that one's you know it's one six
02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:15.800
scale you know he's got the henrietta head i
02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:18.359
got him standing on and it's it's really nice
02:10:18.359 --> 02:10:24.149
i've got sideshows army of darkness figures,
02:10:24.289 --> 02:10:28.949
but I don't have any of their... I don't think
02:10:28.949 --> 02:10:32.289
I got any of their Evil Dead. This is from probably
02:10:32.289 --> 02:10:37.750
10 years ago, maybe. It might even have been
02:10:37.750 --> 02:10:40.970
a third. It might not even have been fully Sideshow.
02:10:41.050 --> 02:10:42.869
I thought it was because I bought it from Sideshow,
02:10:42.909 --> 02:10:44.869
but it could have been another company. Some
02:10:44.869 --> 02:10:51.340
other company, yeah. These are... really great
02:10:51.340 --> 02:10:54.500
figures. Cause I, I was big into sideshow, uh,
02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:57.500
back when their figures were still like 35, 40
02:10:57.500 --> 02:11:00.079
bucks. Those were the, those were the good days.
02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:04.699
Uh, but all the Buffy, Star Wars, uh, I mean,
02:11:04.699 --> 02:11:06.579
they're, they were cranking out stuff. And then
02:11:06.579 --> 02:11:08.579
once it almost was like, once they got the Joe
02:11:08.579 --> 02:11:11.119
license is when the price went up over a hundred.
02:11:11.180 --> 02:11:13.439
And I was like, I'm out. I can't do these anymore.
02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:16.659
Yeah. It was a lot. I do have a lot of those
02:11:16.659 --> 02:11:18.909
Joe's though, because they are great. Oh, they're
02:11:18.909 --> 02:11:21.770
fantastic. I got the Zartan because I had to
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have Zartan. And then I got like a Cobra Sniper
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just because it was on clearance somewhere. I
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mean, they're fantastic. The Palisades, Army
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of Darkness. Have you got any of those? I do
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not. I got so lucky because I bought a few at
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Suncoast. Our media play, one or the other. But
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then one of the online toy retailers that I think
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doesn't exist anymore, I can't even remember
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what the name of it was, put everything on like
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75 % off clearance. Nice. And I managed to catch
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it and I ordered like multiples of the deadites.
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So I've got one of my shelves over there is like,
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it's an army of darkness. It's a bunch of deadites.
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It's a great little, and they're not the sturdiest
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figures. They feel like a smaller company from
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the early 2000s figures feel. You know what I
02:12:23.069 --> 02:12:25.449
mean? Yeah, yeah. Like some of that early Mezco
02:12:25.449 --> 02:12:29.550
stuff, how it felt kind of like, I'm not sure
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this is going to take to moving too well. No.
02:12:33.149 --> 02:12:35.770
But it's a fun little setup to have. And I love
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that scale because when you're talking about
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troop building, like three and three quarter
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inches is it. That's the way. you can put a bunch
02:12:43.069 --> 02:12:45.050
of stuff in there and not take up the whole house
02:12:45.050 --> 02:12:48.109
it's not yep you know it's it's so much more
02:12:48.109 --> 02:12:52.229
manageable yeah uh so this has been an awesome
02:12:52.229 --> 02:12:54.390
conversation about evil dead before we go any
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final thoughts about the franchise uh um just
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keep it going you know like keep keep letting
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these new filmmakers take a crack at it i like
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that i like to see everybody kind of put their
02:13:06.850 --> 02:13:10.010
spin on it you know sam and bruce are doing good
02:13:10.010 --> 02:13:12.680
work with hiring these young guys to you know
02:13:12.680 --> 02:13:16.159
put their kind of flavor on to evil dead and
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i love that so i'm looking forward to seeing
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you know what's next and uh i will say go watch
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evil dead versus or ash versus evil dead uh dave
02:13:25.380 --> 02:13:28.920
you need to go back and do that again yeah that's
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:30.960
our homework that's that's our for the listeners
02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:33.180
and the viewers as well that's everybody's homework
02:13:33.180 --> 02:13:35.539
is go re -watch ash versus evil dead and we'll
02:13:35.539 --> 02:13:38.210
reconvene at some point in the future for a deeper
02:13:38.210 --> 02:13:40.609
dive on that one before we go where can we find
02:13:40.609 --> 02:13:43.590
you online and uh we know what you're up to world
02:13:43.590 --> 02:13:46.869
war hell is chugging along yes uh you find me
02:13:46.869 --> 02:13:50.250
on grindhousetoys .com actually today the new
02:13:50.250 --> 02:13:52.510
website's up grindhousetoys .com so go check
02:13:52.510 --> 02:13:56.270
that out um and also on instagram at grindhouse
02:13:56.270 --> 02:13:58.949
toys and facebook grindhouse toys so pretty easy
02:13:58.949 --> 02:14:03.069
to find me any of those places Awesome. Well,
02:14:03.210 --> 02:14:05.609
I'm glad you had the time to do this as soon
02:14:05.609 --> 02:14:07.430
as we were able to do it. Because like I said,
02:14:07.590 --> 02:14:10.069
I kind of, after I watched it, I was like, ah,
02:14:10.270 --> 02:14:12.250
Chris is the guy I want to talk to about this
02:14:12.250 --> 02:14:13.930
one. So I'm glad we could make it happen. Thanks
02:14:13.930 --> 02:14:16.289
a lot, man. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I'm always
02:14:16.289 --> 02:14:17.989
sitting here just having a great time. You know,
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I'm a big Eagle Dead fan, so, you know, it's
02:14:20.149 --> 02:14:23.630
no big deal. But I'm just going to go back to
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reading my book at the end of this episode. So,
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you know, hopefully nothing bad happens. Don't
02:14:29.569 --> 02:14:54.060
read it aloud. Oh, crap. You have been listening
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