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00:00:15.148No one ever said life is easy, but I believe by giving yourself permission, you will find you have more control over your life than you realize.
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00:00:16.391I'm Julie.
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00:00:26.210I hope you will join me by taking responsibility for yourself, by only controlling the things you can and letting go of the things that you can't.
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00:00:35.360By doing this, you will have discovered the secret to having happy, healthy and more fulfilling relationships.
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00:00:40.087This is Nearest and Dearest Podcast.
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00:00:49.277I'm Julie Rogers and you are listening to Season 3, episode 11, NPE - Not Parent Expected.
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00:00:53.951NPE is also known as a non-paternity event.
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00:01:07.393Genetically speaking, this means there was a situation in which someone who is presumed to be an individual's father is not, in fact, the biological father.
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00:01:26.353For me when I shared with you in my first episode, Owning My Truth, it was very freeing to acknowledge that I found my biological father, but what I didn't give you in detail was how I processed this revelation.
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00:01:38.933For anyone who has gone through this life-altering experience, the one common thread that speaks loudly is your life will never be the same again.
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00:01:43.751I have had both positive and negative emotions.
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00:01:47.530Overall, I feel very grateful.
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00:02:06.911I always felt different in my family not just because of my physical traits compared to my dad and siblings while growing up, but other genetic traits that are behavioral, like my personality and creativity.
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00:02:16.633I felt like I was looking at my dad and trying to find something that connected me to him.
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00:02:26.674After my parents divorced, I really only saw him on Sundays at his home with my stepmother and siblings.
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00:02:36.435When he remarried, he called us after the ceremony and wanted to come by and pick us up to celebrate.
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00:02:38.747I was around 12.
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00:02:49.375I remember feeling so mad that we weren't invited to the ceremony so I didn't go to that celebration.
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00:02:55.548It was a moment of me feeling disconnected to him.
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00:03:03.205On those Sundays, dad would pick us up and we would visit with him from lunch through dinner.
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00:03:07.514Then he would drop us back home to where we lived with our mom.
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00:03:15.709As I got older and busier with my own teen years, I didn't always go on Sundays.
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00:03:19.149I just wasn't close to him.
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00:03:24.131I felt unenthusiastic whenever I was around him.
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00:03:30.652By the time I was 17, mom moved my youngest sister and I to Connecticut.
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00:03:37.032Once there, I married the following year and lived there for over 20 years.
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00:03:41.830I didn't see my dad very often throughout those years.
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00:03:50.731Even when I would come back to New York to visit family, I didn't always take the time to go and visit with him.
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00:03:56.729There was this weird thing, though, about my actual birthday.
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00:04:03.687For quite a long while I was told my birthday was February 2nd, Groundhog Day.
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00:04:14.854It was always a funny joke in my family, but eventually I came across my birth certificate and it clearly said February 1st.
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00:04:25.387Even though I showed the evidence of this, my dad and siblings would hold on to that joke, that I was born on Groundhog Day.
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00:04:31.992To this day, I still don't understand why Dad claimed that.
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00:04:38.137I was used to him not feeling comfortable in the presence of my mom.
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00:04:59.103I had always known Dad's anger towards her after the divorce was always there, coming up to the surface if any of us asked him for money as kids, and he would say that's why I give your mother child support, meaning, don't ask him for any.
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00:05:00.846So I didn't.
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00:05:07.396I started babysitting at 12, and I would use that money to buy myself the things I wanted.
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00:05:13.833My parents worked hard their whole lives and were raising six kids.
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00:05:17.529There wasn't much extra to go around.
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00:05:22.591We just knew how bitter Dad was towards Mom.
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00:05:25.124It was an unspoken truth.
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00:05:32.867I never took the opportunity to ask him why he was so angry when it came to our mom.
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00:05:42.910I didn't have that kind of relationship with him to talk about real concerns or things that bothered me.
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00:05:45.735I can only speculate.
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00:05:49.168It affected our whole lives.
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00:06:06.372Even once we all started having our own families, we could never have had both mom and dad in the same bleachers for a sporting game, let alone sharing any family celebrations together.
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00:06:10.230It just wasn't going to happen.
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00:06:21.014Because of all of this, I was grieving a close father-daughter relationship that I never had with my dad.
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00:06:26.747I'm not saying it was toxic or mean-spirited.
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00:06:30.514It was just not fulfilling for me.
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00:06:36.447On the flip side, I was extremely close to my mom.
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00:06:43.444She introduced me to community theater, something that we both loved to do.
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00:06:49.324I sometimes was able to go to her rehearsals and watch her.
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00:06:53.076She came to all the plays I was in.
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00:07:01.149Even though it was going to be my senior year in high school when we moved from New York to Connecticut.
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00:07:04.754I wanted to see her happy.
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00:07:17.290When her relationship ended with a man who couldn't commit to her and she moved back to New York with my youngest sister after I got married.
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00:07:19.992I understood her pain.
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00:07:30.348My mom was always the most constant, positive, loving mother I could have ever asked for.
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00:07:40.790I will never know why she didn't tell me that there was a chance that dad wasn't my biological father.
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00:07:44.122Again, I can speculate.
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00:08:01.132It comes up every now and then, especially when someone who has listened to my podcast or have shared my truth with asks the question did your mom think you had a different father?
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00:08:20.233It's been over eight years since I did the sibling DNA test with my youngest sister, which catapulted me to start processing the fact that I have a different biological father compared to my other siblings.
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00:08:39.148This realization wasn't a real surprise to me or my siblings, but at the other end of this truth was a hidden, deep-rooted secret inside my mom.
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00:08:41.991Was it shame?
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00:08:45.895She was in an unhappy marriage with my dad.
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00:08:53.474She was 30 years old, raising my three older brothers and dealing with an alcoholic husband.
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00:09:06.816I found out by asking my oldest brother, Mike, who is nine years older than me, where Mom worked in the summer of 1965 when I was conceived.
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00:09:15.855I had no idea she was a cocktail waitress at a local bowling alley in Watertown.
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00:09:32.106Having to talk to my sisters about this, they remember her sharing this particular job over the years with them, but she never shared that info with me.
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00:09:49.967By revealing this knowledge to my biological father,J oe, in October 2019, when he was trying to piece together how my mom knew him, it started to spell things out.
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00:09:53.167Joe was in the Army at the time.
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00:09:56.528He was back home from the service.
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00:10:05.325He told me he would go to the bowling alley a few times a week that summer along with some of his friends.
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00:10:14.424By giving her name and a photo of when she was younger, he remembered her fondly.
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00:10:19.815I believe my mom was looking for a distraction.
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00:10:26.232From what my brother, Mike, told me, she didn't work at the bowling alley for long.
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00:10:32.152Dad didn't want her working nights and wanted her home with the boys.
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00:10:44.623Mom left working there and never saw Joe again.
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00:10:51.615Could it be that she put that moment of indiscretion so far away in her mind and focused on trying to survive a challenging marriage?
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00:11:02.554How could she have not noticed how very different I looked, with no resemblance from my dad?
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00:11:26.904Why couldn't she tell me there was a real possibility that, because of that moment of indiscretion that she chose, could have led to my conception when I asked her years prior to the beginning of her dementia?
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00:11:35.543Speculation is what we tell ourselves when we don't have all the answers we long for.
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00:11:44.465I have used it over the years when trying to understand my mom's thinking and my dad's anger.
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00:11:56.125I have been reflecting more about how I didn't go into a depression or have any anger towards my mom.
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00:12:21.956I think because of my age at the time of discovery, 50 when I had the proof from the sibling DNA test and 53 when I found Joe, along with the fact that my mom was battling dementia, in the last stages of her life, gave me more gratitude and peace.
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00:12:44.061I had the power within myself to intentionally ask the hard questions, stir up difficult realizations from my family's past and do the work to discover the unknown which would link me to what I deserved to know.
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00:12:51.886As human beings, each of us deserve to know where we came from.
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00:13:09.445We can't choose our biological identities, but what we can choose is to decide, no matter how the truth finally comes out, what to do with it.
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00:13:21.456I have had those moments when I wonder how my life would have been if I knew earlier in my life who my biological father was.
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00:13:32.254I can't help but feel I have missed out on some relationships that could have contributed to my overall well-being.
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00:13:35.323Since Joe has been in my life.
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00:13:40.933I have met a lot of my extended family over these last five years.
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00:13:51.982To start with, seeing such familiar looking faces that match some of my own physical characteristics has been surreal.
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00:14:00.753I have been hearing stories, along with photos, about my grandparents and great-grandparents.
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00:14:07.788My great-grandparents were the first to immigrate from Italy through Ellis Island.
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00:14:13.341Both my paternal great-grandparents immigrated from Italy.
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00:14:27.037The fact that the Storinos were living in Watertown, the same city I was while growing up, is unbelievable to me.
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00:14:33.493To be honest, I wasn't looking for a new family.
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00:14:36.288I love my family.
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00:14:39.288It wasn't about them.
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00:14:45.019It was about me needing to find my identity.
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00:14:58.418I remember watching TV shows like Long Lost Family, which aired in 2016, and feeling very emotional.
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00:15:03.500My dad passed from lung cancer in 2003.
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00:15:11.514There was something inside me that longed to find my answers.
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00:15:28.173So, with dad gone and mom battling Alzheimer's, I knew I had to be Sherlock Holmes, with the hope of finding all the puzzle pieces that would connect together.
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00:15:33.631I have no regrets about my journey.
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00:15:40.432Having Joe and Sharri in my life is a true gift.
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00:15:47.653I have met wonderful relatives who have shown a genuine interest in me.
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00:15:58.014I went to Italy last year and visited the Calabria region where my paternal ancestors are from.
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00:16:07.654I even have an interest in trying to locate some family that still may reside in that area.
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00:16:17.695A friend who has relatives in the same area, who speaks and writes Italian, is doing a search for me.
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00:16:20.322Through a website she found, that could possibly help.
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00:16:32.152I gave her my great-grandparents' names and date of births, along with the areas they were born.
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00:16:37.537A lot has changed in my life since I found Joe.
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00:16:48.702I got to have closure with my mom before she passed.
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00:16:53.932I have gained parents, along with another family that has been very loving to me, my husband, my children and grandchildren.
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00:16:59.403I don't believe there can ever be too much love.
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00:17:10.135I have recently joined a Facebook group called DNA Identity Surprise and This NPE Life.
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00:17:21.569I want to read other NPEs journeys and feel that connection, that only others like me, have experienced.
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00:17:43.185I have always believed, that by connecting with others who have experienced similar journeys, no matter how difficult, challenging or gut-wrenching those life journeys are, can help us feel we are not alone.
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00:18:03.865Alesia Weiss, who is a retired RN, Army vet, writer and is the creator of this Facebook group, also is the creator of the Resource Center website called N-P-E-N Nursing for NPEs.
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00:18:12.736Alesia also was on a podcast titled Beyond Well with Sheila Hamilton.
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00:18:23.285She shared some of her own personal NPE journey that she discovered in a recent episode.
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00:18:47.276I will share hyperlinks under my show notes if you would like to learn more about the Facebook group or the website she founded, which is to help other NPEs navigate this forever life-changing process that keeps evolving, along with a hyperlink for that podcast episode she was on.
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00:19:06.031If you would like to share your own experience that you are navigating through as an NPE not parent expected, please send me an email at julierogers@ nearestanddearestpodcast.
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00:19:13.369You will also find a hyperlink for my email address under my show notes as well.
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00:19:22.869If you would like me to share it on a future episode of Nearest And Dearest Podcast, I would be honored to do so.
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00:19:25.474Thank you for listening.
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