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00:00:40.560And so one of one of my core values, right, is self-expression.
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00:01:17.200Hi everyone.
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00:01:23.120I'm so excited today to be joined by Shanice Scott.
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00:01:24.400Hi, Shanice.
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00:01:32.879So just want to share with folks who may not be familiar.
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00:01:39.759So Shanice and I actually crossed paths at a nonprofit organization a few years back.
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00:01:48.000We've both since left that organization, and we were just talking about how we didn't get to know each other like as deeply as we would have liked.
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00:01:55.360I learned after the fact that Janice has an entire filmmaking production company screenwriting program and everything.
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00:02:00.479And Janice didn't know that I had a podcast.
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00:02:11.360So we've been learning about each other a little bit more, but I saw her sharing some information about Sin Productions and the project she's working on on LinkedIn.
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00:02:19.439Welcome, Shanice.
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00:02:22.000I'm like super grateful to be here.
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00:02:23.520Yeah.
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00:02:35.520So with that, I actually want to kick it over to you to share a little bit more with listeners about who you are in the world today and how you'd like to be known.
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00:02:39.039So we already know my name.
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00:02:47.919I'm a writer, entrepreneur, a mom, but I think that those are like very surface level answers.
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00:03:02.000I think how I'd like to be known is as a person that leads with empathy, that's very thoughtful and very kind, you know, very sensitive.
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00:03:14.960And I've I've definitely kind of, you know, I'm human and made some mistakes.
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00:03:35.759Absolutely.
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00:03:49.759And I think what you're talking about is like the just the foundation of like what is a human experience to lead with empathy, to lead with kindness and care, and to take accountability when we stray and to do better next time.
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00:03:52.000I think those are all really important.
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00:03:56.079And I think the world needs more of that today.
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00:03:58.079It's really beautiful.
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00:03:59.599So thank you for sharing that.
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00:04:10.799So I was doing some homework, some research to like learn a little bit more about you, and you have lived a life.
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00:04:16.879You are, like you said, maybe some titles feel surface level, but that doesn't mean they're not important.
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00:04:18.879Like mom is a very important title.
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00:04:26.960Entrepreneur is a transformative title for your life and the work that you lead, but you're also a veteran.
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00:04:33.920You've also had a profound experience and career path in the nonprofit sector and like all these different things.
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00:04:44.160So I would love to hear a little bit more about your origin story and what kind of led you to founding Sin Productions and where you are now and today.
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00:04:49.040So that's a really good question.
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00:05:17.680There's so many things that that led me into filmmaking, and I wanna say my upbringing as a child, my time in the military, my time working at various nonprofit organizations, also like very much shaped the founding of Sin.
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00:05:36.240And yet I think it's interesting, right, when I think about how I came to storytelling and filmmaking, is it just seems it seems very random, even though it's not, because at first like it wasn't it wasn't something that I had sought out.
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00:05:41.920When I was young, I was at a modeling competition.
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00:05:52.720And in this modeling competition was like a random other competition for New York Film Academy for actors.
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00:05:58.800And in that competition, right, they were giving out select few scholarships.
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00:06:06.640And I just kind of, I don't remember if someone told me to do it or if I was just like, I'll do it.
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00:06:18.400And I did this monologue, and one of the judges at the end just kind of, and I had won the scholarship for acting at New York Film Academy.
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00:06:23.840And one of the judges was just like, you know, it was just so moving and so powerful.
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00:06:27.600And please don't even ask me what piece it was because it was so many years ago.
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00:06:40.080Like, I don't even like I don't remember, but it it it kind of sparked something that somebody saw something in me that I didn't even like see in myself at the time.
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00:06:51.920Like in that way, he saw me as a storyteller, and I didn't even see myself as one, even though it was in the format of acting.
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00:07:02.080And so I went to school for acting at New York Film Academy, which turned into filmmaking and then turned into screenwriting.
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00:07:10.879And when I was in like the filmmaking program, I had written the short film that it never got made.
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00:07:17.600But my instructor at the time was like, this is not a short, this is a feature.
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00:07:32.240And that moment became another click for me where I was like, oh wow, I have so much more to say instead of shrinking myself into a few pages.
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00:07:38.560Why don't I learn how to tell the story that I really want to tell?
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00:07:43.200And once I did that, like I fell in love with it.
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00:08:02.879And if I'm being honest, I I stopped acting and I just focused on writing because I didn't realize it at the time, but like writing was therapy for me, and it still is.
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00:08:30.320And like as a person who kind of felt like my voice wasn't welcome in certain spaces, now it's like I'ma say what I have to say anyway, and you could read it or not read it, or you could watch it or not watch it, but it's it's going down on this page, and I trust that it will reach the people that it's intended to reach.
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00:08:34.480Yeah, what a beautiful origin story.
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00:08:40.399First of all, the modeling competition and acting makes sense.
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00:08:43.919You're a gorgeous woman, so I see that.
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00:09:10.080But I also love that even if that filmmaking competition, like doing that monologue wasn't a part of your intention, I love that you just being in the vicinity, like being in that space led you to that opportunity, and you were able to participate and it sparked something else in you that you didn't know that other people could see in you or you didn't recognize in yourself before that moment.
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00:09:17.519I think that's really beautiful, and that's like kind of a divine alignment to be in that space and time.
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00:09:19.040Yeah, and to have that.
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00:09:22.480I think that's really special and really wonderful origin story.
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00:09:28.240And I love what you were sharing about how writing is like therapy or therapeutic for you.
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00:09:31.759I've I feel like therapy comes in all forms.
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00:09:36.480Like I've been an advocate for talk therapy, but I know that's not the only format.
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00:09:41.040And where I'm at right now, I'm interested in more like somatic therapy, like movement.
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00:09:47.519I know some people like walking is therapeutic for them, writing, journaling, screenwriting is therapeutic for them.
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00:09:51.440So I love that you found a modality that really works for you.
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00:09:56.720Um, it allows you to channel, it allows you to process, to think, and to get your words down on paper.
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00:10:04.639And I just love the mission and the audacity that you have in terms of like, I'm gonna put this on paper, take it or leave it.
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00:10:06.800I trust that it will find the right people.
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00:10:10.000And this is the way in which I decide to leave my mark.
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00:10:12.000And I think that's really powerful.
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00:10:14.240God chills a little bit hearing that story.
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00:10:59.910So thank you for sharing it.
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00:11:24.070So, with that being said, I want to take a little step back and talk a little bit about sort of the brand identity around Sin Productions, because when you hear the name, it sounds a little bit pr provocative, but at the same time, like for folks who know your name or who know your sister's name, like it makes sense.
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00:11:26.070Initials, I see that there too.
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00:11:34.389So I just want to like hear a little bit more about your thought process around it and what inspired the name, the stories, the perspectives, and everything you want to share.
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00:11:36.790How how do I want to say this?
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00:11:41.509So, you know, yes, when you hear the name, it is very provocative.
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00:11:45.350It is very kind of like, what kind of stories are you telling?
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00:11:46.310What are you doing?
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00:11:51.590I've gotten all types of questions like, do you do porn?
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00:12:07.830At one time, I was getting like a lot of followers from people that were in the porn industry, and I was like, Yeah, that's not what I do.
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00:12:13.110And in reality, it is like very simple, very sweet.
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00:12:18.550It is part of my name and part of my sister's name put together.
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00:12:22.470I'm Shanice Inez, and you know my sister's name is Naima.
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00:12:44.470And she was when I first started writing, like one of my biggest supporters, and I want to say, like emotional editors, like she was the person that I went to and ran ideas by and was like, I feel stuck, I can't figure this out.
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00:12:46.070Like, what do you think?
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00:12:51.990And she was the person that was there for me with with the answers.
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00:13:12.310And, you know, so many years later, when I decided that I was gonna create the production company, you know, even though she's not involved in the day-to-day, there's a part of me that was just like, it started with us, and I wanna I wanna honor that.
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00:13:25.750And one of the things that I really value is family, and I felt like it would be such a like great way to do that by combining her name and my name.
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00:13:30.710And I don't want to say my son's full name.
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00:13:40.310Um, and yet the first three letters of his name are S-I-N, which was not intentional at all.
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00:13:47.670And so it's another one of those things where it's just like it feels like divine alignment.
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00:13:55.350Like I created the name of the production company, I had no idea what I was gonna name my son.
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00:13:58.470Like he was not, he wasn't born yet.
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00:14:16.149And and now when I think about it, when it started off as being about family, I'm like, this is something that I want to build and leave to him so that he can run, assuming that right, he wants to take on.
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00:14:19.269But I'm like, it already has your name on it.
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00:14:22.230And so this is this is for you.
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00:14:25.910I couldn't have, I couldn't have like made this up.
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00:14:29.590That also kind of feels like alignment to me.
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00:14:30.550Yeah.
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00:14:35.830Before you even said it was a way to honor your sister as well.
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00:14:37.110That's what I was thinking too.
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00:14:39.670Like, what a beautiful way to honor like the origins.
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00:14:51.030Your sister is a creative collaborator in a way, because you mentioned her supporting you with like getting unstuck sometimes, but also like that's creative collaboration too.
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00:14:52.950And I think that's such beautiful energy.
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00:15:06.230And wow, that's so cool that the name of your company, the first three letters of your son's name, I think that's so special too and unplanned, but really like a really special synchronicity.
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00:15:08.870Like, I think it's really cool that that worked out that way.
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00:15:15.190And I don't know, call me super naive, but I that's like the furthest thing.
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00:15:19.269Like that industry is the furthest thing I thought of when I saw the name.
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00:15:22.389Like, if I see that, my brain goes to like religion.
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00:15:33.350So I was thinking maybe you want to put a spin on what we traditionally think about sin, or maybe through the stories, and we'll talk more about the stories that you amplify.
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00:15:42.629Like, maybe through the stories that you're sharing, you're you're trying to put a spin on what we might deem as wrong or sinful and like shed light on it.
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00:15:44.790Like that's that was my thought process.
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00:15:50.230So I other people listening might be like, well, yeah, like that what you shared makes sense.
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00:15:53.509But to me, like that was the last thing I thought about.
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00:15:57.990It's like an interesting piece of information for me to learn.
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00:15:59.350Wow.
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00:16:09.750But that being said, I do want to talk about this the stories that you're uplifting through projects that are in progress or projects that you've already shared with the world.
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00:16:14.550Like, what is the twist that you are putting on the stories that you're telling?
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00:16:16.230What is that special spark?
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00:16:18.710How are you uplifting these stories?
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00:16:22.629Like, what makes Sin Productions different from other production companies?
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00:16:25.509Yeah, that's a that's a good question.
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00:16:29.990I've I've always been a little bit of a drama queen.
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00:16:33.110Like I don't, I don't, I don't hide that.
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00:16:41.350I love me some dramas, and I love pieces that are about family.
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00:16:53.910So a lot of the stuff that I'll write or you'll see me put out there are really about it's about family, and it's the genre is is going to be it's gonna be drama.
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00:17:11.349And I have a background in psychology, and so for me, I'm always like really approaching characters through a lens of right complexity and layers and nuance and growth.
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00:17:32.789And I focus a lot on character development and I've I've met some pretty interesting people in my day, and so I'd I take from those people and those experiences, and I really try and focus on that in my work.
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00:18:41.230The piece that I'm I'm writing right now that I pretty much have about I want to say like about five pages left is about a an a biracial lesbian drug addict from like the projects in Southside Jamaica, Queens that has to reestablish her sobriety in order to regain custody of her daughter from her abusive mother.
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00:19:00.589So I kind of write from a place of things that I've seen or experienced firsthand and really like add in the layers to those characters where no particular person is, how can I say it?
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00:19:07.709And then the thing that comes to mind as it's like a little tangential is like no bad parts.
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00:19:23.069Have you you heard of like IFS therapy, like internal family systems therapy, like where no one person is like we don't have like one mono mind, we have like various parts.
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00:19:45.309And so I like to bring that into my to my work where it's just like you kind of get to see the various parts of the person, of the character, and how all of those layers like you know, manifest in how they show up in the world.
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00:19:46.349Yeah.
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00:19:52.509There are so many narratives and perceptions that exist about particular characters and shows.
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00:20:13.789I think about even some of my favorite shows, past or present, and the way particular characters are portrayed, whether that be particular stereotypes or certain like jobs that they do, but like drama and the love life, like it's just kind of the same portrayals sometimes.
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00:20:17.869But at the same time, it's not always relatable.
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00:20:35.709And I have a particular relationship with the word relatable too, because it's like relatable to who, but it's not always relatable in the sense that the average woman might find certain qualities in that character similar, but it's not like it's not the typical life that the average woman is living.
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00:20:44.189So that's why we get lost in these shows and these movies, because these characters are doing things that are out of our norm, but similar in certain in certain ways.
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00:20:51.869And like the example that you shared about the project you're working on where you have five pages left, that's so specific.
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00:20:53.949Like that's somebody's story.
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00:20:56.829I can imagine that that's somebody's story.
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00:21:00.989They could relate to it, whether they're in Jamaica Queens or somewhere else.
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00:21:22.349Someone can find pieces and parts of themselves in that story, whether it's battling addiction, whether it's sexuality, whether it's regaining custody of their children, like a sobriety journal, like whatever the case may be, someone can find themselves in that story, but at the same time, they can find themselves to in the arc of the character development.
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00:21:26.269So I imagine that this character is going through a series of events.
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00:21:41.709We don't, I don't know where they're gonna end up, you know, but in watching them navigate through their story and being a witness to it, we might be able to learn something in their healing, in their character development, watching their journey.
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00:21:44.989And I think that that's so important.
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00:21:48.829And it shows that womanhood is not a monolith.
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00:21:53.549Like, womanhood looks different for all of us, identity looks different for all of us.
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00:21:59.389Like, I'm curious to see how community is portrayed in this cat for this character as well.
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00:22:06.749Like, what does it look like to have a community that's trying to help you or to not have a community that's trying to help you while you do this walk?
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00:22:11.229So I think it's very important that you're in this space and like telling these stories.
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00:22:19.789And for people in particular who, you know, the family dynamics might look all kinds of ways, like nobody's family's perfect.
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00:22:23.309All of us got some crazy shit going on in one way or another.
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00:22:24.909It's very it's very true.
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00:22:32.509Like how we continue to tell these stories, it can open up conversations within families too.
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00:22:43.549Like maybe you see this character and you recognize a cousin or an aunt or a, you know, like can you understand their journey a bit better?
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00:22:50.829Can you step outside of your own family and witness this character and it give you some perspective that you didn't have before?
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00:22:53.869So I think that that's very powerful.
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00:22:59.709And you also started sharing a little bit about your creative process because that's something I wanted to ask you about too.
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00:23:03.069Like, what does that look like for you from beginning to end?
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00:23:10.829And we can talk about that more, but you also talked about what character development looks like for you and the the parts and the pieces that you're thinking about.
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00:23:17.549So I would love to talk a little bit more about your your creative process from ideation to actually finishing the project.
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00:23:19.629Like, what does it look like for you?
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00:23:31.149Okay, so I would say usually for me, it's like I'll get a little spark, I'll get a little idea, and I'm just like, but it's not fully fleshed out.
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00:23:35.789And I'm like, I want to explore this further, I'm not sure how.
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00:23:41.869And then I'll be like, who is the character that's that's going through this world?
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00:23:54.589And that's that for me is like where the like real fun begins and thinking about, you know, they have like this really big goal that they want to achieve.
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00:23:57.469How are they gonna go about achieving it?
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00:23:58.829Why do they want it?
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00:24:00.669Why is this meaningful to them?
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00:24:03.549Like what's right?
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00:24:07.229Because what's the difference between want and need?
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00:24:20.269They may want, you know, they may want the goal, but what are the things that they need to learn along the way of trying to ascertain that goal?
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00:24:31.149Um, and what are they willing to like put up with and also say, like, I'm not doing along the way of that journey?
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00:24:46.269So for me, character development and and just really sitting down and kind of like delving into the layers of the character and and really thinking about the psychology, the parts of it.
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00:24:57.389And so that I would say would be like my writing piece, how I approach ideas from beginning to end on this particular project.
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00:25:09.629And I'm really excited about it, but also like incredibly nervous because when I finish these five pages, so what would be next for me is it's funding.
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00:25:17.709And I have a person in mind that I'm thinking about going to for an equity investment.
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00:25:23.549They have absolutely no idea that I'm plan on asking them to dig in their pockets.
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00:25:24.429Yeah.
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00:25:32.509And so that that would be the first, that would be the next thing is putting the funding together.
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00:25:38.829I'll kind of like work work through this particular project because I'm in it right now.
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00:25:58.589He's a family friend, and I'm so I'm planning on asking him and probably another one of the individuals in that family, and then building from there, attaching some talent, paying for a casting director and getting them involved.
00:25:58.589 -->
00:26:06.269Because once we attach the right name to it, I think that more funds will flow from there.
00:26:06.269 -->
00:26:09.549And I'll probably be because I'm in Tampa right now.
00:26:09.549 -->
00:26:13.549I can't remember if I told you I even left New York.
00:26:13.549 -->
00:26:15.389Wow.
00:26:15.389 -->
00:26:33.309Yeah, so I'm not even in New York right now, but I'm planning on coming back to New York and you know, looking for locations and kind of tapping into the network there and then getting things rolling in in production.
00:26:33.309 -->
00:26:42.909And I'm really excited because I've been holding this script for a while.
00:26:42.909 -->
00:26:44.989And I'm like, we're doing this next year.
00:26:44.989 -->
00:26:47.389We we're we're doing this next year.
00:26:47.389 -->
00:26:50.589I'm I'm not I'm not doing another.
00:26:50.589 -->
00:26:59.549I don't want to say I'm not doing another rewrite because writing is rewriting, but I'm like, we're we're we're pushing forward.
00:26:59.789 -->
00:27:00.269Yeah.
00:27:00.269 -->
00:27:02.269Yeah, I love that.
00:27:02.269 -->
00:27:12.829Thank you for sharing a bit more about the process, especially for folks who might be interested in filmmaking and screenwriting who are just unsure about like what to do after you write the thing.
00:27:12.829 -->
00:27:18.109Like stickering the bag is very important, like getting an investment is very important.
00:27:18.109 -->
00:27:21.789And I feel you mentioned this before, and I don't want to skirt over again.
00:27:21.789 -->
00:27:22.829You mentioned it again.
00:27:22.829 -->
00:27:54.109What an incredible and profound addition it is to your screenwriting and filmmaking work to have your background in psychology, like applied psychology, like NYU grad, like that also lends additional brilliance to the roles that you're crafting because you're coming at these roles from a perspective that is even more mindful about like what's going on with your characters and like how people typically act in certain conditions, in certain situations.
00:27:54.109 -->
00:27:57.229And I love that you're speaking this into existence.
00:27:57.229 -->
00:28:10.029And I'm super excited to see you start production next year and to have this out in the world, to have the project out in the world so that I can view it, so that folks listening can view it and tune in and support you in that capacity.
00:28:10.029 -->
00:28:12.349And yeah, I think that's really powerful.
00:28:12.349 -->
00:28:20.429And I think we talked about this a little bit before already, in terms of what creative collaboration has looked like for you in the past.
00:28:20.429 -->
00:28:23.869But I'm very curious about like what it looks like for you now.
00:28:23.869 -->
00:28:26.509Like, are you still turning to your sister to get unstuck?
00:28:26.509 -->
00:28:27.469Is there someone else?
00:28:27.469 -->
00:28:30.989Like, what do you like to see on set, like behind the scenes?
00:28:30.989 -->
00:28:33.709Like, what does creative collaboration look like for you now?
00:28:33.949 -->
00:28:34.509Yeah.
00:28:34.509 -->
00:28:38.429So I still go to my sister for help.
00:28:38.589 -->
00:28:39.069Yeah.
00:28:39.389 -->
00:28:52.189But the person that I'm working with on, you know, on this particular project, my director, she's been more of the person that I've been going to.
00:28:52.189 -->
00:29:20.509And she's kind of like been rocking with me since, I want to say, since a little bit after the pandemics, like so for like five years now, and we'll we'll go back and forth, we'll go back and forth about character development, about actresses, about locations, about who we see as producers, about where we can get money from.
00:29:20.509 -->
00:29:36.589One of the things that I noticed about her and I, and that I'm incredibly grateful for, is we don't see eye to eye on everything.
00:29:36.589 -->
00:30:21.549And I think that the reason why we've been able to work together this long and collaborate is because we're both the type of people that can think about the big goal, the end goal, which is turning it into a project that will inspire and uplift, and that's about healing, and you know, that's about people and namely women feeling like they have the ability to overcome absolutely anything, that nothing, nothing can hold them back.
00:30:21.549 -->
00:30:40.269And I think because we both come at it from that lens, everything that kind of comes out of that is kind of just like we can we can work through it, we'll figure it out, we can table this, and then we'll come back to it in like a week or two.
00:30:40.269 -->
00:31:00.109And so when I think about collaboration, if I can just sum it up really quickly, it's it's about being, and I've kind of seen myself as a both end person, where two things that are seemingly contradictive can exist in one place.
00:31:00.109 -->
00:31:01.949And I'll just use the example, right?
00:31:01.949 -->
00:31:02.829The holidays.
00:31:02.829 -->
00:31:26.509Like you can love your family and be grateful for spending time with them, and also be incredibly stressed out by them, and also be dealing with all other types of triggers that the holidays bring up, all types of grief, you know, financial strain, whatever it is.
00:31:26.509 -->
00:31:30.589So all the things can exist in one place.
00:31:30.589 -->
00:31:47.789As long as you honor that, as long as you honor those things, the different places that you're coming from, and can agree that this is the place that we want to go, you can always find a way to get there.
00:31:47.789 -->
00:31:54.269I'll say, like, you can always find a healthy journey there through communication.
00:31:54.509 -->
00:31:55.869Yeah, that's really rich.
00:31:55.869 -->
00:31:57.469And I think that's really powerful too.
00:31:57.469 -->
00:32:04.109I love what you were sharing about how you and your director don't agree on everything, but everything is figure outable.
00:32:04.109 -->
00:32:05.789You can come back to it.
00:32:05.789 -->
00:32:12.669And yeah, like one of the podcasts I really like listening to is it's called Around the Way Curls.
00:32:12.669 -->
00:32:16.189And in their intro, they always say duality is a thing.
00:32:16.189 -->
00:32:21.149And yeah, for example, around the holidays, like that that's very true.
00:32:21.149 -->
00:32:34.669So, like, um, but being able to communicate in either situation, both situations, all situations is really important because that's the only way you get to a resolution of some sort.
00:32:34.669 -->
00:32:37.389And I think that's really powerful and and special.
00:32:37.389 -->
00:32:44.109And it's important to have like that sort of dynamic and back and forth with someone you're working so closely with, yeah.
00:32:44.109 -->
00:33:01.309So I'm I'm glad that you have that connection and you have that space to show up in that way and have someone who communicates with you well to so I always say I spend way too much time on TikTok, and uh I do, I I do, it's really bad.
00:33:01.309 -->
00:33:23.709But I just saw a video like this morning that was talking about how it's so important to just when you have a vision for something to get it out there, like don't procrastinate so much that you don't share it with the world, overthink it so much that it never sees the light of day.
00:33:23.709 -->
00:33:32.429Don't be such a perfectionist about it that you literally have it in the back of your mind for 20 years and nothing ever happens.
00:33:32.429 -->
00:33:36.269Just do it, just create it, just put it out there.
00:33:36.269 -->
00:33:40.109The reward is in you showing up and putting it out there.
00:33:40.109 -->
00:33:42.109And I think that that's so important.
00:33:42.109 -->
00:33:51.709But at the same time, especially as creatives, there are a lot of us who deal with self-doubt, creative blocks, like all these different things.
00:33:51.709 -->
00:33:58.829And it's so hard, you know, a lot of us say we're sensitive about our work, like, you know, like wrapped up in that.
00:33:58.829 -->
00:34:03.149You talked about that too in introducing yourself as someone who also is a sensitive spirit.
00:34:03.149 -->
00:34:11.309It's very hard sometimes to put your stuff out there to be judged and seen and critiqued and not know what you're gonna get back.
00:34:11.309 -->
00:34:27.150So, as someone who is an artist, who is a creative, who is a brilliant screenwriter, producer, filmmaker, like all of these things, how do you move through those moments that feel more challenging when you are kind of getting in your head and having some doubt?
00:34:27.150 -->
00:34:33.309What do you do for yourself to like keep keep the vision first?
00:34:34.429 -->
00:34:36.110Your eyes on the price.
00:34:36.110 -->
00:34:38.269I love, I love that question.
00:34:38.269 -->
00:34:49.949I think it's I think it's really important and something that I definitely struggle with and navigate just, you know, like everyone else.
00:34:49.949 -->
00:35:02.750I would say that the thing that I've learned along the way is that no matter what your business is, that 80% of the work is internal.
00:35:02.750 -->
00:35:36.829And I've definitely spent a lot of time like doing the inner work with therapists, with coaches, taking classes, meditation, acupuncture, like you name it, you know, whatever allows you to take the time and reflect and develop a deeper self-awareness of the things that get in your way.
00:35:36.829 -->
00:35:52.110And I heard I was just taking, like, you know, a a little class yesterday in which someone said something that really made so much sense, which was the blocks aren't in the way, the blocks are the way.
00:35:52.110 -->
00:36:00.670And so it's not about like forging through whatever you're feeling and acting like it doesn't exist.
00:36:00.670 -->
00:36:04.750And you you talked about somatic work, you know, earlier.
00:36:04.750 -->
00:36:15.549And sometimes you just have to, you have to sit with the thing, yeah, and honor it and let it pass, right?
00:36:15.549 -->
00:36:26.269When it's, you know, when it's ready to and and being clear on like it's not about like pushing it out, it's about like letting it be there and and honoring it.
00:36:26.269 -->
00:36:30.989And with that, it'll usually, it'll usually pass.
00:36:30.989 -->
00:36:34.670It is it's not gonna like stay with you forever.
00:36:34.670 -->
00:36:37.629Um if that makes sense.
00:36:37.629 -->
00:36:46.909And and so really just taking the time to do that work, work through work through your fears.
00:36:46.909 -->
00:37:15.309And so for me, by doing that, it's it's I don't know that the word that I want to use is easier, but you know, when I do that, it usually takes me less time to like come back to the work and be like, okay, I feel like I feel like I can deal with this thing in this screenplay.
00:37:15.309 -->
00:37:18.509I feel like I can deal with this thing with this person.
00:37:18.509 -->
00:37:30.429I feel like I can show up for a client, you know, in a way that it's meaningful, where my stuff doesn't get in the way of quite frankly, their stuff.
00:37:30.429 -->
00:37:31.549You know what I mean?
00:37:31.549 -->
00:37:38.269Because, you know, when when you write, a whole lot of things come up for you.
00:37:38.269 -->
00:37:46.109Like it's incredibly easy to like get triggered, and you don't want to run away from it.
00:37:46.109 -->
00:38:03.789If you try and run away from it, you'll never learn the thing that you need to know that could literally make all the difference in the world in terms of like, wow, I learned that about myself.
00:38:03.789 -->
00:38:24.589And now that I learned that about myself, I feel like that's an element that I can add in to a character's death and a moment of realization that they have about how they're gonna push forward and and get to, you know, whatever it is that that they want.
00:38:24.589 -->
00:38:28.909And so a lot of the work is internal.
00:38:29.230 -->
00:38:29.789Yes.
00:38:30.029 -->
00:38:30.670Yeah.
00:38:31.469 -->
00:38:32.7501000%.
00:38:32.750 -->
00:38:43.389Like I love what the person said in your class about the blocks not being in the way, like they're they are the way, they're showing you the way, or something like that.
00:38:43.389 -->
00:38:44.349They are the way.
00:38:44.349 -->
00:38:46.029I think that's so powerful.
00:38:46.029 -->
00:38:57.949And I've seen a lot of entrepreneurs talk about how we think entrepreneurship is one thing about just starting a business and creating a business, but a lot of it ends up being internal work.
00:38:57.949 -->
00:39:03.149You learn a lot about yourself when you're not answering to anyone else but yourself.
00:39:03.149 -->
00:39:12.750And it forces you to go on a journey of self-development that you might not have expected.
00:39:12.750 -->
00:39:13.389Yes.
00:39:13.389 -->
00:39:20.429It forces you to confront some aspects of yourself that you may have denied or not been willing to sit with.
00:39:20.429 -->
00:39:28.029So I love what you shared too about just being able to sit with things and feel things.
00:39:28.029 -->
00:39:34.109And, you know, for those of us who like process it up, process it here.
00:39:34.109 -->
00:39:40.509That's why I'm like somatic work is so important for me because I will process it all in my head and not feel it.
00:39:40.509 -->
00:39:48.909Like being in an era where I just sit with stuff and feel stuff is like hard, but it teaches things that you need to know.
00:39:48.909 -->
00:39:53.309It teaches you to understand your body better and to show up differently.
00:39:53.309 -->
00:39:57.230And I think that's so powerful too.
00:39:57.230 -->
00:40:00.589Um, yeah, it's it's a journey.
00:40:00.589 -->
00:40:17.789It is, it is, but I love the the what you shared and the advice you give about like really sitting with things and and feeling them and really, really understanding what's coming up for you and like being curious about it in a way, instead of being quick to dismiss it.
00:40:17.789 -->
00:40:19.949I think that's the important part too.
00:40:19.949 -->
00:40:30.429So I would love to now talk a little bit about alignment because that's like a really important aspect of this show, like creativity, purpose, and alignment.
00:40:30.429 -->
00:40:46.909And all of those things show up differently for each of us, but how do you know you're in alignment when it comes to your work and your career and like when you're actually in flow versus when you're out of alignment and you're not in creative flow?
00:40:46.909 -->
00:40:48.190Like what does that mean to you?
00:40:48.190 -->
00:40:50.109What does creative alignment mean to you?
00:40:50.349 -->
00:41:21.629Um, so I love that you asked that question because that is something that I've been giving a lot of a lot of thought to, um especially, especially lately, and not just from a creative perspective, but just about life, you know, generally, because I'm a person first before like I'm a creative or a creator of anything.
00:41:21.629 -->
00:41:46.829And so I would say that I know that I'm in alignment when I'm making decisions from a place of my values, and when I'm making decisions from a place of my values, I usually feel a sense of and peace and ease and and flow.
00:41:46.829 -->
00:42:12.750And not that everything is easy, but you kind of just know that you're making the right decision, even if some things come up along the way, and it's easier to like trust whether you're religious or spiritual, that like you're on that you're on the right path.
00:42:12.750 -->
00:42:18.349And and so one of one of my core values, right, is self-expression.
00:42:18.349 -->
00:42:38.829And so I know I'm in creative alignment when I'm sitting down and I'm in flow and I'm not worried about what the audience is going to think or what another person is going to think, like making the choices about my story from a place of fear and lack.
00:42:38.829 -->
00:42:43.629I'm making it from a place of love and connection.
00:42:43.629 -->
00:42:47.309And so that for me is when I know that I'm in alignment.
00:42:47.309 -->
00:43:12.029And like if I'm keeping it all the way real, like, yes, you think about like the audience too, but even when they pop up in your head, your your thought is, I know that this is going to like find the people that this is meant to find, instead of like, I am not sure that I should do this because people might not like it.
00:43:12.029 -->
00:43:22.989So like understanding like those different, those different feelings, those different sensations when they when they come up.
00:43:23.230 -->
00:43:25.149Yeah, that's so powerful.
00:43:25.149 -->
00:43:37.389I love what you said about you know that you're in your flow and you're in alignment when you're honoring your values and that one of your core values is is creative expression, like self-expression.
00:43:37.389 -->
00:43:39.230I think that's really powerful.
00:43:39.230 -->
00:44:08.349Do you, I don't want to put you on the spot, but um, if you were to like simmer on it for a second, do you have tips or advice for a creative, whether they're a filmmaker or another kind of creative, when it comes to getting clear about what your core creative values are, like not just your values as a person or human being, but like being clear about your creative values and like what that looks like for you.
00:44:08.670 -->
00:44:09.149Yeah.
00:44:09.149 -->
00:44:21.949And so I think that one of the things that that's helped me is, and I've kind of like posted on social media before, like randomly.
00:44:21.949 -->
00:44:32.109Um, and it might just sound a little cliche, but there's a technique that I've used, and it's called Seven Levels Deep.
00:44:32.109 -->
00:44:44.989And it's really where you write down what it is that's that's meaningful to you, that's important to you, and it could be about your your creative business, or it could be about your life.
00:44:44.989 -->
00:45:41.329You can use it in any area, and then you write down what it is that's meaningful to you, and then you ask yourself, you peel back the layers, like why seven times.
00:45:41.329 -->
00:45:47.090And a lot of people are just like, This and this sound like bullshit.
00:45:47.090 -->
00:46:00.369And I swear, by the time you get to level five, you're like, oh, oh, this is not, this is not bullshit.
00:46:00.369 -->
00:46:15.809Like I've worked with people, and by the time they're at level five, they're like in tears because it's about understanding what really makes you tick and why you want what you want.
00:46:15.809 -->
00:46:40.690That's not just based on the surface, but that's really buried deep down inside, probably like a part of yourself that you felt like you couldn't really honor because if you tell other people it'll make you like appear too weak or too vulnerable.
00:46:40.690 -->
00:47:02.530And but for me, that voice that buried under everything else that why that's underneath the thing that you really want is usually the thing that needs to be honored and that your work needs to be grounded in.
00:47:02.530 -->
00:47:26.610And then when you make when you make your decisions from from that place when you know that why when people start talking and saying stuff it just becomes it just becomes white noise and you're not hearing it and you're just focused on the thing that's really meaningful to you.
00:47:26.610 -->
00:47:32.769And for me I find that that'll help you push through that'll help you push through anything.
00:47:33.090 -->
00:47:35.490Yeah that is so powerful.
00:47:35.490 -->
00:47:37.409Girl I'm gonna do that today.
00:47:37.570 -->
00:47:45.570When we finish this I'm gonna go seven seven layers seven levels deep to I'm happy to like do it with you.
00:47:45.570 -->
00:47:45.889Yeah.
00:47:45.889 -->
00:47:47.889I'm I'm happy to do it with you.
00:47:48.050 -->
00:48:11.090Yeah that was a beautiful offering I I just think sometimes like especially as creatives we get so like unsure and caught up in like why like I don't I don't know that a lot of us really sit down and establish like what our core values are as creatives, let alone people doing it for just their core values as a human being like being clear on that and like that's important.
00:48:11.090 -->
00:48:20.369It shows up in every capacity in your your romantic relationships, your friendships, where you want to work, what kind of work you want to do it's so important.
00:48:20.369 -->
00:48:25.889And I I just think that's such a beautiful tool and yeah I'm gonna do that.
00:48:25.889 -->
00:48:26.929Thank you.
00:48:26.929 -->
00:48:38.450Um so you mentioned that like when you're in creative flow and you're in alignment you are purely expressing you're doing it out of love care and connection.
00:48:38.450 -->
00:48:49.250It's not like a priority what this person and that person is going to think or gonna say it's like you creating like just the pure joy of creating.
00:48:49.250 -->
00:49:00.289At the same time I know that you you know you're telling a story through your work you are hoping that the audience walks away with something from witnessing your work.
00:49:00.289 -->
00:49:04.929So what impact do you hope that your work leaves on audiences?
00:49:05.090 -->
00:50:39.730What do you hope they take away from seeing the stories that you're sharing there's so much that I hope that the audience takes away and the thing that I really hope that they take away and a lot of I'm not gonna lie like a lot of my stuff is for women like I want to I want to uplift women and so I'm writing from that space and I want people generally to feel uplifted and especially women to feel very empowered like they can overcome any obstacle that like nothing is too big for them to accomplish like I hope that they see a version of themselves in one of the characters in one of the characters growth and are like wow if they can do it like I can do it if they can face their mother if they can leave this bad relationship if they can get sober whatever it is that you feel like you've struggled with that's been too big to have that moment where you realize it's not too big that you can find a way through to the other side and take some action you know what I mean like take take a step and be like I'm doing this today.
00:50:39.730 -->
00:50:45.010So that's that's what I want people to walk away with when they when they see my work.
00:50:45.250 -->
00:50:48.130Yeah and that's so powerful and that's so important.
00:50:48.130 -->
00:51:01.889Thank you for sharing that and I know that has to be a core takeaway for a lot of people and to feel inspired to know that they can get through anything and to see see triumph over tribulation and know that it's possible for them too.
00:51:01.889 -->
00:51:03.570So I love that.
00:51:03.570 -->
00:51:09.409Okay we're getting near the end I'm so sad because I could keep talking to you forever and ever this is so cool.
00:51:09.409 -->
00:51:31.409It's like um I'm just like oh gosh okay so I always like to ask folks especially who are deep in the weeds of their work and their brilliant creations like what other tips and trips and tricks and offerings they might offer someone who's in the same space.
00:51:31.409 -->
00:52:36.289So for any emerging filmmakers or screenwriters especially the women the creatives like who are just stepping into this space of wanting to tell their stories in some capacity um is there any advice you'd offer them in addition to everything else you've already shared but if there's anything else I mean I think in addition to the piece of like understanding your why I think it's also like again about doing the inner work really like believing in your in yourself and like it's it's not it's not always easy because you have like you know so much stuff going on in the world so many people's voices that you can get caught up in and to just find a way to be grounded and take the time to really do the inner work to believe in yourself.
00:52:36.450 -->
00:53:12.929And one of the things that for me that has worked and and it it like maybe it sounds flighty I just want to be like it works is I write down I write down my goals and I'm not gonna lie I don't do it every day I'm not that good at it but like two or three times a week I just sit down and I write down my goals and from that when I write things down it's almost like this energy that like pushes it to like the forefront of my mind and I start attracting the things that I need.
00:53:12.929 -->
00:53:27.329Now I'm saying this and I want to be clear that I have written stuff down and then things have started to shift in ways that I'm like no no that is not that is not what I meant.
00:53:27.329 -->
00:53:31.809That was not the journey that I wanted to take to like get to this place.
00:53:31.809 -->
00:53:53.650This is some BS and yet after you go through that space you like you're literally like oh it that needed that needed to happen to move the other things out of the way so that I could get to the thing that I really wanted.
00:53:53.650 -->
00:54:18.369And so it's not to say that the journey won't have like some stuff yeah but just really like trusting that on the other side of that journey is the thing that you want like things are being moved for your benefit like life is working for you not not against not against you.
00:54:18.369 -->
00:54:50.769And so I I believe in that process write it down and like really focus on it and and do some fun stuff to like if you're feeling insecure I'm half afraid to like say that I do this because my family like came to my house this weekend and kind of like made fun so I wrote in my room like I have like all of these little affirmation cards and my room my room theme is like I see your face you're like where's she going with this story?
00:54:50.769 -->
00:55:03.730Like I love like the one of my favorite movies the woman king yes and so I like yes and so I have my room set up like the bed and everything like I'm the woman king.
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00:55:50.450Yes and and so I literally and I have a crown too my cousins came over here this weekend put the crown on and started saying the affirmations that I have in my room and I was dying laughing and I had never thought about putting this crown on before it was just a piece of decoration in my room the affirmations I actually pay attention to and so honestly I was like you know what I'm gonna start putting this crown on and saying these affirmations and it's kind of like silly and it's funny but it also helps you get out of your own way and stop taking things like super seriously.
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00:55:54.929And so I just I recommend like like have have fun with it.
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00:55:59.889It's not just about it's not just about the work.
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00:56:01.809Take breaks have fun.
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00:56:44.289Yeah I love that story I don't know what my face is I I was trying to see where it went but I was just curious also I love that as someone who has put affirmations up around my room I also love that movie The Woman King um I also don't mind a little proper costume every now and then the little crown like I um I just feel seen in your example and in your story with your with your family but I love that reminder to just not take it so seriously all the time like it's okay to take a pause to do the inner work required to see your vision come to life.
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00:57:02.369I think that's really powerful and special and even in you speaking and when you were speaking before too about just writing in general like how getting it down on the page is important and and therapeutic and all the things and how it will force you to look at yourself in some things.
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00:57:07.809I've shared on this podcast before and I'll share with you like I am in the process of writing a book.
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00:57:15.490I've been writing this book for a very long time it's not done yet but it's about the journey I'm calling it surviving singleness.
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00:57:22.369Like it's about the journey of being a single woman in this era and what it looks like to I want to read that book.
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00:57:23.010Thank you.
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00:57:34.929I'll let you know when it's out but what it looks like to pour into your creative passions despite living in a society that's not set up for you to be thrive and be well as a single person.
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00:57:37.650This is very much a coupled and partnered society.
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00:57:58.530So but I've had to put it down so many times because in the writing and in the talking and in the looking at myself I've been like okay I still need to work on this like oh like I'm realizing this particular thing about me like oh I need to take a break from this because this is bringing up too much.
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00:58:03.090Yeah some of the stuff that I have not been ready to work through or process.
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00:58:15.730So I love the advice of taking the break I love the advice of like writing will make you think about things and self-reflect and I think all of that is powerful work.
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00:58:19.809And just like you said like everything might not be peaceful and easy.
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00:58:30.450Sometimes things happen along the way to make it clear or make it more possible for something else to be called in and I think all of that is super important.
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00:59:41.409So thank you for sharing that and as we round out I just kind of want to take a brief pause and I want to ask you like what's something that's bringing you joy right now or something that's making you feel good and calm in this season of life with all of these things you got going on like what's bringing you joy yeah so first of all I would say what what's bringing me joy is I got to spend the last hour hour and a half with you and I really appreciate you just being thoughtful about your questions and being able to connect with you like I feel seen and I feel I feel heard and and that matters and so I appreciate you providing like the space that space for me so that's like bringing me joy another one of the things that I would say is I for the first time in a long time am only focusing on my business without having someone being a part of someone else's mission.
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00:59:52.050Yeah and that has bought me a lot of a lot of peace and a lot of joy and and I'm I'm incredibly grateful for that.
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00:59:52.929Yeah.
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01:00:28.769Thank you so much for that kind message and I'm so excited for you in this new chapter to really just pour into your vision and your work and your mission to just focus on what you want to bring to life like this is such an exciting time it might not always be smooth sailing or easy but it's a transformative and powerful time and it's just very different when you can go all in on what you want to do and what you want to create without having to think about or focus on someone else's mission being under someone else's mission.
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01:01:09.889So with that being said Shanice like this has been such a beautiful time together I have loved talking with you and like learning more about you and from you and I just want folks to know all there is to know so can you let us know about all of your offerings you mentioned working with clients like how do you work with them in that capacity where can we watch your work that's already out there where can we look out for what's coming down the line where can people work with you connect with you support you everything okay you can find me on Instagram at produce by sin.
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01:01:34.530I also have my website so you can find me there producebysyn.com so one of the things outside of being a writer is offering writing coaching and helping new writers create compelling screenplays without the stress of having to go to school or leave their jobs and and things like that.
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01:02:33.889So if you go to my website you can find those offerings there and on Instagram if you are in Tampa I'm I'm also like happy to like actually meet with people in person because I feel like we just spend way too much time on the internet and on on social media and I I like I wanna I wanna connect I want to connect with people and so if you're in Tampa one of the things that I'm adding to my offerings is actually writing therapy not just writing coaching for new screen writers but writing therapy so that everybody can benefit from the clarity and the peace of mind and the reduced stress that comes with being able to process the things that you don't feel like you have a safe space for.
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01:02:40.450So that's something that I'm gonna be doing moving forward to is creating that space.
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01:02:41.970And so I'm doing that.
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01:03:20.690So yeah yeah I love that I will make sure that I link everything in the show notes socials website where to work with you one-on-one or in groups and all of that will be in the episode description so that folks can find it easily and thank you again for showing up today for chatting with me this has been such a beautiful conversation and I'm so grateful that we got to reconnect in this capacity and I'm so excited to see your next project going to filming and production and I will be staying tuned for when it is out so that I can support you and watch it too.
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01:03:24.450So thank you so much thank you I appreciate that
