The Mo Egger Radio Show -- 7/30/26

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Speaker 1: Play starts now get training camp coverage as it happens on the Official Call of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station, What's.
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Speaker 3: Show previews available thanks to share Facts Credit Union. If you love golf as much as I do. September the twenty eighth, the annual Share Facts Credit Union outing benefiting Cincinnati children's charities. Go to shareffactx dot org. It's at the Heritage Club in Mason. It is an awesome event, so learn about it and registered. Love to see you out there. September the twenty eighth, Share facts dot Org. Busy day, lots going on. Let's start with good news. At training camp today, Zach Taylor at the end of practice came over and offered an update on Shamar Stuart, who was carted off yesterday. Left yesterday's practice, and I think a lot of us feared the worst, and I watched a lot of doctors on Twitter, you know, try to diagnose what was happening with Shamar Stuart. I didn't attempt to do that because I'm I'm not a doctor. I don't have as much time to pursue a medical online medical degree as a lot of folks. But I think this is good news. Here's Zach Taylor at the end of today's practice talking about Shamar Stewart.
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Speaker 4: All right, Shamar Stewart yesterday day fortunately avoided all right, Shamar Stewart yesterday fortunately avoided major injury. So he hyper extended his knee. It'll be several weeks. Hard to pinpoint exactly how much into training camp that'll be, but very fortunate because it obviously looked bad and he's put a lot of work so hard to see him go down like that. But the good news is we'll be getting impact to the wrapping the letter.
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Speaker 3: So I got thank you all right, there you go, Zach Taylor. He didn't stick around and answer questions. Quick statement and off to go do whatever the head coach of the Bengals does when practice is over. That is that is good news. Now, let's be clear about this is this is the best possible outcome, best case scenario for Schamar, but it's it's still an impactful injury. And this is something we've talked about in the last I don't know twenty eight hours or so, Tony Austin myself at a lot of folks who cover the team, Shamar Stewart needs the reps. Chamar Stewart's a very unproven, one might say, raw NFL player. He is in a pretty loaded group of guys at his position. If there's somebody who could really benefit just from the accumulation of experience and the lessons learned by accumulating experience and being out there and practicing and playing at Shamar Stewart. But at the very least, it's not a season ending injury, and a lot of his feared it would be, and some Twitter doctors were assuming it was. And you know, who knows how this is going to unfold. No real timeline is being offered, but he's going to miss time. But the injury isn't viewed as a season ending injury, and so that's really good news from Zach Taylor. We have one of our injury experts at five point thirty five, doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Orthos Sincy, and he'll talk about hyper extensions and we're also going to discuss the lots of guys that discuss. We gould discuss the Spencer Steer injury. I do want his thoughts on what Eric All is at least so far successfully attempting to do. And Tyler Riley, the UC Bearcat, is going to be sidelined for four to six weeks with a hand injury suffered in practice and that was made official by Jared Calhoun today and so doctor Slaughter, we'll talk about him as well. Five point thirty five. The practice today was business like. I don't I was there. I didn't see any scraps, scrapes, fights, skirmishes, nothing like that felt like a business like practice. We didn't see the cart today. We did see Andrey Yoshabas catch a bunch of passes. We did see Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight make plays. Dimitrius Knight had to pick Barrett Carter made a really nice play breaking up a screen pass, and so I think, look, man, those two guys are huge. Whether you like it or not, there are the two guys atop the depth chart at linebacker. It's helpful to see those guys making plays at least here early during training camp. Tony Pike was there with me. He's been there all day. He joins us at three forty five to talk about day two of Bengals training camp. I said last week that the game the Reds played in Seattle on Monday was their worst and maybe sloppiest of the season. Last night's game, said hold my beer, and frankly, the game they played the first game of the doubleheader on Tuesday against the Cleveland Guardians is in the running for that title as well. Ellie Dela Cruz and Edwin Arroyo can't turn a double play. Ellie makes an error on a play that he's got to make, just a few moments after making a really nice play in the field, they score one run. They lose the Ohio Cup finale against the Guardians. Today, Edwin Arroyo has been sent back. Look, man, I was among many who wanted to see Edwin Arroyo here. That's what happens when a prospect is putting up good numbers. There's a long, long, long list of players who ended up having successful big league careers who when they first got called up weren't quite ready and then got sent back down and came back and were better. And hopefully that happens with Edwin Arroyo. But I would imagine you would agree with this. Count me as unimpressed by pretty much everything I saw from Edwin Arroyo. Hit a bunch of singles, laid down a nice sack bun over the weekend, made a handful of plays at second, for my money, looks a little bit too nonchalant out there, And frankly, I think nonchalant is the word that applies to that double play that he and Ellie just seemingly had just met each other before the game before they tried to turn it. So, Edwin Arroyo has been sent down. Matt McClain is back. It's July thirtieth, the season ends like in two months. These are a put up or shut up two months for Matt McClain. Rooting for him, no reason not to. Matt McClain can can answer some questions here for the twenty twenty seven season if you assume we're gonna have one by having a productive last two months. But let's face it, with every passing day, we are further and further away from three years ago when Matt McClain was arguably the best player on the team. Now he's back. Last year was a disaster. The previous year he didn't play. This year for Matt McClain has mostly been a disaster, certainly at the plate. So Arroyo down, McLain up. I'm guessing Matt's gonna get a chance to play the position he has spent the most amount of time at a second base, the position that he's good at. But my guy, you gotta hit. And there's no more I don't know nuanced way of putting it, because you simply can't go into twenty twenty seven having seen Matt McClain at his best, most recently in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: It's got to.
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Speaker 3: Happen now, and so he has two months, call it a two month audition. More on that coming up a little bit later on Very good Bengals guest at four oh five. One of my favorites. I think one of the best NFL publications preseason publications is the FTN Preseason Almanac, which is thick and voluminous and very good. Our guy Robert Weintraub every year, writes the Bengals chapter. He joins us at four oh five plus a little bit later on if.
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Speaker 2: We have time.
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Speaker 3: I uh, I don't like it when people that I like or that are close to me get wronged. A friend of this show has been wronged. We'll get to that, hopefully at some point between now and six o'clock. I could tell you this. We are going to talk about Hunter Green trade rumors, which man miss me with they got a trade Hunter Green. That's next ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 3: Traffic from the UC Health trapping that's us. I'm Oeger, this is ESPN fifteen thirty three. Thanks for listening today. Just you are not being pulled over, don't look at I mean you should always look in your rear view mirror.
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Speaker 2: But if you're thinking, oh, they got me, No, no, no, you're good.
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Speaker 3: You're fine, that's just it, says Tarn, playing his favorite artists of all time, Bubba Sparks, You're good, Tony Pike training camp update coming up in twenty minutes. A lot on the Bengals today, Good Bengals guest Robert wintrob At four to five. Reds lose last night. It threw a lot of cold water on top of whatever simmering optimism was out there over the fact the Reds had won their first three series after the All Star break and they're seven hundred. I don't know that we need daily math lessons. I don't know that we need to do this. The Reds aren't in it. They haven't been in it for a while. Obviously, I reserve the right to change my mind on that based on how the rest of the season unfolds, but based on how they've played now for three months, based on math, based on the number of teams between where they are and the last wildcard spot, based on the distance between themselves and the last wildcard spot, which there's a lot of motion every day. The Marlins lost twelve in a row, then swept the Phillies. The Phillies have gone into free fall a little bit. Arizona wins, two loses, two wins, three loses to the Pirates. Could not be more up and down, so much higher than where the Reds are. There's a lot of movement. The Reds have basically been running in place for a while. There's six out of that last wildcard. Pirates are here tonight, first of four against Pittsburgh. After that slop filled game last night, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes about the trade deadline and includes a blurb about Hunter Green where he points out that the Reds quote might be willing to trade Hunter Green, writing that Cincinnati is quote drawing significant interest in Green. Buster one rights that it's fifty to fifty. According to some in the sport, they think it's fifty to fifty that the Reds trade Hunter Green. The red should not trade Hunter Green. I don't know. I don't know why the Reds would. Now, yes, few should be untouchable. I don't know that I would make Hunter Green untouchable, which means I'll listen to offers. Look, man, you want to buy my house, It's not for sale. There's not a sign outside. I love my house. We've put a lot of time and sweat and energy into the house. But if, like you know, you show up and say, hey, man, I'll give you a million dollars for your house. Okay, nobody's going to offer a million dollars for my house because because it's not a million dollar house. I view Hunter Green the same way.
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Speaker 6: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't get it, and I cannot help. But wonder man if any motivation to move Hunter Green is rooted in the frustration that seemed to bubble to the surface last year with how he quote slow played his return from injury and by the way, those that frustration may have been justified, or the frustration with how Hunter handled his injury this offseason. And I'm among the many who believe that Hunter Green, and I'm a big fan of the dude, but that he botched his injury situation last year where he could have had surgery early in the offseason and maybe not missed an entire half year in twenty twenty six, I still don't know why you would train him. And you know, I'll hear it, well, Hey, he's he's always hurt. Fact he is, He's always hurt. So is Nick Lodolo. RT Louder has been hurt. Brandon Williamson, who set to make a start at double A, also always hurt. They have a ton of pictures who are always hurt. By the way, one of the big topics in the sport right now is the number of pictures who are frequently hurt. Hunter has a lot of company. If every pitcher who's hurt a lot gets traded, can you imagine the number of trades we would have in baseball on a weekly basis? Well, you know he he costs too much, Dude. He's the eighty eighth highest paid starting pitcher in the sport. Are there eighty seven pitchers better than Hunter Green?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll hear the same folks who talk about what the Reds aren't going to be able to spend and what they're not going to be able to do financially, And I'm like, great, You've got a guy who when he's good, and I'll admit, he's not as good as he needs to be often enough, because he's always hurt. But when he's as when he's healthy, and when he is as good as he can be, there are a few better bargains in the sport. And by the way, some might say, well, he's going to get a pay raizy in twenty twenty nine. If the Reds Exercise Club option, Hunter's gonna make twenty one million dollars. He's gonna make what Nick Martinez did in his second year with the Reds. If Hunter made twenty one million dollars this year, he would be the twenty fifth highest paid starting pitcher. Like, are you gonna find somebody on the open market as good as Hunter Green, who's as inexpensive as Hunter Green. You're gonna find that guy in a trade like the Reds pitching situation. I know we love to talk about their depth of arms and depth of talent. I don't know, man, Chase Burns is awesome, Andrew Rabbit's good like those two guys. Beyond that, Brady Singer quite likely could be a member of another team in a couple of days. Raett Louder huhuh, Chase Petty huh huh, Brandon Williamson, eh, Jose Franco Uh. Beyond those dudes, Look at the farm system. Ain't a lot there. I don't get it. Doug Gray, he has a great piece about this redleg nation dot Com. Go read it, and one of the points he makes is a lot of a lot of folks are gonna say a lot of people are going to say, well, you know, you got to build a contender around the guys you get. For Hunter Green, I think the idea is to build a core of really, really really good players. Now, yeah, man, it's frustrating when a part of that core gets hurt like it is. He's still just twenty seven years old. I have a core piece, a core piece is in place. How about build around the core that includes Chase Petty, I'm sorry, Chase Burns, Hunter Green, Elie De la Cruz, Sal Stewart, Andrew Abbott.
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Speaker 2: I'll make him a part of that, maybe one or two others.
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Speaker 3: I think Spencer Steeer's role in this team is hard to replace, you know, even if he's a super sub.
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Speaker 2: But Hunter Green, I don't understand it.
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Speaker 3: And like I do understand, and I can relate to the exasperation that people have with injuries. And if you didn't like how he kind of handled himself last year when it came to his approach in coming back from the injury last year, or how he handled his injury this offseason. Like, fine, Man, I get it, but that that's a reason to get rid of him. Look, I believe wholeheartedly that if Hunter Green had the exact same career anywhere else, and we had heard that he could be had in a trade, we would want the Reds to trade four Hunter Green. I just I'm sorry, man, Should he be untouchable? Of course not. If you want to offer me one hundred thousand dollars for my car that I bought seven years ago, Yeah, but I like my car, put a lot of money into it, put a lot of time into it, taking good care of it. I don't have a car payment, but if you want to give me one hundred thousand dollars for it, sure you're not going to give me a hundred thousand dollars for my car if you Hunter the same way. And look, Man is down as a lot of as can be about this team, the state of it, the lack of organizational identity, the frustrations of this season, the uncertainty of twenty twenty seven, and Hunter's under team control. If you if you include the club option the year of twenty nine under team control for the next three years, you mean to tell me that over the next three years you can't figure out a way to build a playoff contending team. How a championship contending team around a trio of pitchers that includes Chase Burns, Hunter Green and Andrew Abbott. If so, get out of the baseball business. Five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. I have time.
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Speaker 8: I don't.
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Speaker 2: You might not like the guy.
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Speaker 3: You might you might think he's, you know, a little bit of a disappointment relative to when he was drafted and how long he's been here.
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Speaker 2: Fine, I'm I'm with you there.
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Speaker 3: But man, he ain't old, it's not expensive, doesn't lack talents, not a bad dude.
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Speaker 2: Why are we trading him?
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Speaker 3: And I believe wholeheartedly we talk to a few people whose opinions I trust because they're close to it. I believe August Third will come and go and Hunter Green will be a Red. Maybe the offseason is a different story. My guess is Hunter is a Red in twenty twenty seven. I hope we play baseball in twenty twenty seven. But what's the motivation behind trading him? And if you're gonna say, well, you can't win with him, while you know you have him under contract, a very affordable contract. When we're always hearing that there are things the Reds can't afford, then you might as well just trade everybody. I don't think anybody wants to do that. Twenty eight away from four o'clock five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 3: Sports headlines are service of Kelsey Chevrolet Home of Lifetime powertrain protection and guarantee credit approval from their family to yours for life kelseyshev dot Com. Schamar Stewart Zach Taylor today said they believe his knee injury suffered yesterday as a hyper extension should miss several weeks. Many are calling that best case scenario, but Zach says Schamar will be okay. Bengals going through a second day of training camp practices today. The next one is tomorrow ten o'clock, open to the public. Great crowd today. I thought the crowd yesterday like arrived early and then like about two thirds of the way through practice, there were a lot of folks who, for whatever reason, I don't care, took off early. Today's crowd was awesome and the highlight I was watching t Higgins play catch with I don't know. At various points I counted like five different kids. If you can't be there, marrow the Tony Inmo Training Camp show ten to noon tomorrow from Bengals Training Camp on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Reds have put I have sent to Edwin Arroyo and Chase Petty to Louisville. They have recalled Zach mccambley he's back, and they have sent down or they have called up from the attending injured list off rehab assignment, Matt McClain in time for the beginning of a four game set Reds and Pirates at GABP Cincinnati is sending Rhet Louder to the hill against Johann Ramirez seven to ten is tonight's first pitch here at on seven hundred WLW. Of course, I've got to give the starting lineup. Are you ready, Ellie? Is it short? Take the ball out of your glove and throw it to the second basement and then hopefully the second basement is you know, actually there.
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Speaker 2: It will not be Edwin Royo.
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Speaker 3: Ellie is leading off at short south Stewart at first, JJ blede and left. Stevenson catches and bats clean up low as dhing Soarez plays third. Myers batted third last night. Tonight he's betting seventh. That's a little bit more. That fits more than him batting third. Martee isn't right. McLean is back in playing second and hitting ninth. Florence Yaw's take on Joliette tonight. I went to the Florence y'all's game last night. That is an underrated family friendly baseball experience. Uh, this is not good. Now it's July thirtieth, We're still a little bit more than three months away from the start of the season. But Tylan Riley Senior, you see, Senior gonna be sidelined with a hand injury. This according to Jared Calhoun, who would know he is going to be reevaluated in UH four to six weeks. Started all thirty eight games last year, Ulsa averaged fifteen points in four and a half is his per game second t All American Conference honors. Not great and Novak Djokovic is going to appear this year his participation in the Cincinnati Open confirmed that event is about a week and a half away. One of the highlights of the Cincinnati sports summer. Uh, we gotta get to a Tony Pike training camp report. We have folks waiting. I don't want to make them wait too long, but we do. We do have Tony training camp update. We have folks want to talk about Hunter Green five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll get to those folks in a bit, but Tony is next. ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 11: End fifteen thirty with the latest from Bengals training camp.
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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty hourly training camp updates with our guy Tony Pike three forty five or somewhere in that ball park four forty five ish, five forty five ish, every single day Tony is here. What was the highlight of today's practice in your opinion?
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Speaker 12: In all honesty, I was thinking about this before the call to and I don't think we've we've had to do this before because we haven't of these opportunities everything else from the field alone, I thought our conversation with Brian Cook was awesome. Yeah, like from a guy like a lot of people talk about like the hometown effect and what it means to be able to play for your hometown. Like, here's a guy who has won conference championships in college, He's went to the college football playoff, like, won a Super Bowl, played alongside opposite of Mahomes and Kelsey and all those guys, And like he told you and I today that coming home to Cincinnati and winning a Super Bowl here would be the biggest moment of his life. And I mean from that to his insights and his impact on the defense and taking stuff from burrowing those guys. I thought he was so well spoken, and I think you kind of get a glimpse into the impact that he's going to have on this defense. It wasn't a huge Newsworthy day on defense. I think the linebackers had a really, really good day. But man, that conversation with Brian Cook, which I urge people to go back and listen to, was really good.
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Speaker 3: It's on the iHeartRadio app. I had two friends of mine that separately texted me right after that interview and said that Brian Cook basically said, I'm not Ginostone, and that was to me the message, I know why I'm here. I know what's been lacking at this position. I know it's been lacking on this team, and I'm here to provide it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I've had three different people that cover the Bengals in two days of training camp talk to me about Brian Cook and say he's quickly becoming one of their favorite Bengals they've ever covered. And we're two days into training camp, like it's just it's night and day, and I really do think, like I know that he's not viewed as the top safety in football, but this has been said in the off season, going from Brian Cook or going from Genostone to Brian Cook, Like I can't even put into words the type of upgrade that is for the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I mean you you followed him in college. You see, that's what he was known for, as they say, being about all the right things.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: They had an incredibly talented secondary. Kobe Bryant was back there, Sauce Gardner. You know, sometimes Brian Cook kind of got lost in the shuffle, but you know, you could you could put him anywhere and he would do the job. You kind of knew what you were getting. There was a degree of reliability, and I remember vividly Luke Fickle talking about that. And you know, he wasn't an instant like mainstay in Kansas City, but it felt like he got better every year, and every year they asked him to do more, and every year.
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Speaker 2: He rose to the challenge.
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Speaker 3: And like to me, safety, like the job description is in the job title, I wont somebody reliable at safety because I know, like, at the end of the day, the basic the basics of that position are prevent big plays from happening.
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Speaker 2: Brian Cook can do that and so much more.
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Speaker 12: And I thought too, like I was thinking about Dexter Lawrence and his impact, And man, what what a I know it's not fun in the moment, But for a Ted Carris or an Adulton Riise and or a Dylan Fairchild, like a lot of times you're gonna you're gonna have your biggest test in practices where it doesn't mean anything. You're gonna get into games and it's almost gonna be easier because you're going against Dexter Lawrence every single day. Think about what Brian Cook, since he's gotten the league, has been able to do. He he lines up in camp and in practice opposite of Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and all of the weapons that Kansas City has, and he played behind the Chris Jones and guys like that. And now he comes to Cincinnati and every day of camp he's gonna go up against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins. Uh, Like, what what a value from a positional standpoint to go against those guys in practice? This where you can maybe get a little bit more creative and you can see and what can I get away with on this play? And then you know in a game or not a game, maybe what you won't be able to get away with? Like I just think there's so much value in what he can do with practice. And yes, some days he's going to get beat and some days he's going to struggle, But guess what, it's practice. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. But he can he can really hone in on his craft and get to go against some of the best in the NFL every single day, and I think there's such a value to that.
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Speaker 2: Tony will talk again in an hour. Thanks so much, Thanks mam.
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Speaker 3: Tony Pike gives us our lead training camp reports and is back with me tomorrow for the Tony and Mo Football Show, beginning at ten am on ESPN fifteen thirty. Coming up on four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station to the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Here every snap of the twenty twenty six Bengals on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 3: Starts two weeks from tonight Tangles and Lions Downtown. You know, we don't love preseason football, but it's always nice those first few bars from Dan Horde and Dave Lapham, along with the legendary Wayne box Miller. Two weeks from tonight here on ESPN fifteen thirty, we have a little bit of a tradition this time of year. Every single year we've done this. We've done this for a while, and going back to when the publication that I'm about to reference here was basically published elsewhere. I'm making this more complicated than it needs to be. But our buddy Robert Wintraub, who joins us every week during the football season. He writes Bengals columns for Cincinnati Magazine. He contributes to the FTN preseason Almanac, and I've tweeted out a link to it. It is as comprehensive a preseason publication as you'll find. It's voluminous, there's a lot of great writing. It's great if you love, you know, reading without all the numbers, and it's great if you love looking at the numbers and trying to figure out what they mean as well. And I cannot recommend it enough. Robert usually, i think, with one or two exceptions, writes the Bengals chapter every year. He writes the Bengals chapter this year, among other things. And he's with us now. It's good to have you. What's going on.
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Speaker 13: I've missed you so much over these past few minds. The summer just isn't the same without talking to you every week?
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Speaker 7: MO.
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Speaker 3: I'm well, I'm well, I'm excited, and we'll begin our weekly conversations here in short order. But it's nice to have you now, there's lots of excitement. I want to ask you about this first, right, So, at the top of every team's chapter, you have a lot of numbers, mean projection, odds of making the postseason, odds of drafting high, odds of being a legitimate Super Bowl contender, winning twelve or more games. What I was interested in is what your models say about the Bengal strength of schedule. Now I look at this from a wagering perspective, You'll find websites that project them to be favored in fifteen of their seventeen games. I know, if you go back to last year's win loss percentage, you know per opponent this year, the schedule is is relatively light.
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Speaker 2: You have.
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Speaker 3: Their projected average opponent as minus five to five point two percent. I want you to explain that to me, which is thirty second, so that suggests easiest. You also have their mean projection for wins being nine point eight. By the way, longest intro to a question ever, so based on the relative ease of schedule, should the mean projection for wins be higher.
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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I fell asleep during that could repeat that.
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Speaker 2: So did the audience wake them up?
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Speaker 13: Well, here's the deal. Okay, yes, you reference their strictive schedule. The important takeaway is that by our numbers, it is the easiest.
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Speaker 7: Going into this year, and the easiest of any team in the week.
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Speaker 2: Now, as we all.
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Speaker 7: Know, that's a projection. Things can change on the dime. You know, it's not anything where kid with the greatest sault. Obviously, any quarterback gets it injured, things like that. It's all. It can all change very easily.
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Speaker 13: However, it's good to be having the easiest schedule rather than the hardest, at least projected wise. Now you ask, why aren't they projected to win more than nine point eight games. Well, part of the reason is because, as we say, the dv away of their average opponent was negative five point two percent.
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Speaker 7: You want to be positive in that number.
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Speaker 13: But the Bengals last year were negative eight something. In other words, if the Bengals could play the Bengals this year, they'd be.
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Speaker 7: Looking forward to playing.
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Speaker 13: They hadn't really proven it to anybody yet on the field, and by anybody, I mean our projection system, the computer that sits in the back and spits out all these numbers.
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Speaker 7: So you know, it sounds great.
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Speaker 13: Vibes are high in Cincinnati, Nick Ochet, I think is happy for once about Bods this year, and.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know they got to prove it to us on the field first.
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Speaker 13: So you know, ten, ten wins, nine point eight wins, that's right along, as you say, with the Vegas over under numbers this year, I believe it's nine point five going into the season.
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Speaker 7: You know, you're you're again Navid and you would know better than I. But that's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 13: And I think in seventy percent of the seasons that we played out a million times, they finished with nine.
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Speaker 7: Or more wins.
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Speaker 13: And whether that means they finished with nine or whether they finished with thirteen, there's a lot of gray area in there, as you know, going into every season, and as we saw last year with a certain number nine going down in Week two, anything can happen, So there's you know, I wouldn't put too much stock into those numbers.
00:32:27
Speaker 7: The important thing is that they're.
00:32:28
Speaker 13: Expected to be one of the contenders in the AFC and then the overall NFL, and the fact that their schedule doesn't project to be particularly difficult playing the NFC South in the AFC South along with the Browns twice.
00:32:40
Speaker 7: That's a good thing. Overall. It's not a huge matter, but it can only help the cost.
00:32:46
Speaker 3: You're right about the improvement we saw from the Bengals defensively, and I think there were some who feared they would leave not well enough alone, but they wouldn't be as aggressive as they were with the defense because we did see some improvement at the end of the year. They obviously were pretty aggressive with the defense at everywhere but linebacker. But you're right about how historically there's been no correlation between second half defensive improvements and improvements the following year. Does that hold true for the offensive line, because one of the things I'm excited about is seeing how this offensive line this year can I don't know, continue the momentum we saw from that group toward the end of the season last year when they actually played pretty well.
00:33:25
Speaker 13: Right, Well, there's a few things to unpack there. First of all, we should mention that, yes, your eyes didn't deceive you. The Bengals defense did improve last year. Granted they had no where to go butt up after their historically disastrous first half, but they were actually the best improvement of any defense over the last ten years by our numbers in the NFL. I mean, that was pretty good. So the ven news in that is that it doesn't tend to correlate to the following season, and the Bengals, to their credit, obviously recognized this and added a bunch of players who we all know about, and they'll have a much different looking defense.
00:33:57
Speaker 7: Now you mentioned the offensive line, I.
00:33:59
Speaker 13: Think a lot of the way they improved and a lot of the major element in their quote unquote improvement last year on the line was the fact that they were healthy and played together all those games. That's really the key element when you see, you know, correlation from year to year. It's not so much numbers per se as health is really the most important factor. And you know it's not something we've seen a lot in Cincinnati. Health on the offensive line. I think that's what you really have to look at considering the depth, especially being a bit wanting playing the front five for as many games together as possible. And remember, you know, Dalton Risen was injured and came in at the very end of training camp last year.
00:34:39
Speaker 7: There was certainly a learning curve going on there.
00:34:42
Speaker 13: A rookie at left guard, second year mannered right tackle. There was a lot to sort of cohere in the first half of the season, and the fact that they all played together and played well in the second half, that's the really.
00:34:53
Speaker 7: The key element.
00:34:54
Speaker 13: I think, you know, whether the numbers line up with exactly how they played in the second half of last year is open to debate.
00:35:02
Speaker 7: We'll see how that plays out. But if they're on the field and playing together, I only have optimism about the offensive line.
00:35:08
Speaker 3: Let's stay on offense because here NonStop, there's the conversations about Joe Burrow under center, which being a camp today, we saw a lot of that versus how he's historically operated, which is out of the shotgun. What do the numbers say about how they should operate and maybe how effective they'll be if they try to adapt dual identities and do both right well.
00:35:31
Speaker 13: I mean, it's hard to say how they'll play under center, because that is the very definition of small sample size. I mean, they are a shotgun offense under Joe Burrow, the second most in the league last year, they hardly. I know everybody wants to go to play action because that's the key element to them as being under center. They were thirty first in the league in play action passes last year. Even when they're through play action, they tossed it underneath.
00:35:54
Speaker 7: Them and everybody's on the play action pass. Your center bombed at Jamar Chase right.
00:35:59
Speaker 13: Well, they threw it on the four yards down the field on average when they were in play action last year. The league average is about eight yards, So that should tell you that they're not comfortable in it.
00:36:09
Speaker 7: Now. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try it more, and I think that's what you're seeing early in practice.
00:36:14
Speaker 13: They're being a statement that they're going to try and get a little bit more multiple this year, and that can only be a good thing.
00:36:19
Speaker 7: What I really think they should concentrate more.
00:36:20
Speaker 13: On, though, is is more motion man men in motion. They were only about twentieth in the league last year by our numbers and using motion, and the reason that's important is because that helps define what the defense is going.
00:36:33
Speaker 7: To play against them.
00:36:34
Speaker 13: Man and man are zone specifically, and Joe Burrow has been a machine against man coverage his career and he was the second best buyer numbers last year against man coverage, still good against.
00:36:44
Speaker 7: Zone but not nearly the same. And the offense as a whole top five.
00:36:48
Speaker 13: Against man coverage last year and bottom ten against zone coverage last year.
00:36:53
Speaker 7: So if they can fuck.
00:36:54
Speaker 13: Any ways to basically force the defense into playing man to man, whether that's under center, whether that's getting guys into men, and it's emotion more often.
00:37:03
Speaker 7: However they do it, that to me is really the key element.
00:37:06
Speaker 13: Exactly where Burrow lines up under center or in the shotgun not necessarily as important to me.
00:37:13
Speaker 2: Robert Wintroump is with us.
00:37:14
Speaker 3: He writes the Bengals chapter for the FTN preseason Almanac. Let let's let's let's go to defense. Miles Murphy at the end of the season last year was terrific. I think you'll find some who go that's nice, but late bloomer flash in the pan, And then you'll find some who are like man, pay the guy now before he has a big year in twenty twenty six. From your perspective, what's more likely.
00:37:44
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's difficult to say.
00:37:46
Speaker 13: I mean, you can both can be true, right, he can be a late bloomer and also be worthy now of paying that contract, and I think, you know, it's.
00:37:54
Speaker 12: Sort of doing last year right.
00:37:56
Speaker 7: It's the thing you sign him to that big contract.
00:37:59
Speaker 13: It's like the will get hurt or prove unworthy of it, Whereas if you don't sign him, he plays awesome and then he'll walk or demand top dollar that you know, the Bengals are going to have to make cuts elsewhere. So I think there's a sort of an overall team building pessimism going on with Murphy. But I think the numbers do you say he was a large part of that defensive improvement that we talked about before, you know, I think it helped a lot that he was finally out from under the shadow of Sam Hubbard.
00:38:26
Speaker 7: With Hendrickson down last year for so much of.
00:38:28
Speaker 13: The play, he became sort of It's almost like he realized he was the guy who had to be the main element in creating pressure up front. They didn't do a ton of it, but he was the best added on the line. And now with the additions on the line especially, you like to think that that will.
00:38:45
Speaker 7: Only serve to help him.
00:38:47
Speaker 13: I think he leans more toward the you know, actual good player that you want to keep around under defense on that side of it, other than toward the you know, kind of lake Bloomer had eight good games and probably isn't really worthy of keeping around.
00:39:03
Speaker 7: It's kind of difficult to say. The numbers lean in that direction, but it's not a slam.
00:39:07
Speaker 13: Dunk, and you know he's going to be one of these guys that you know, it's going to be a difficult call for the front office. And if there's a way to get him signed without breaking the bank, obviously I think they want.
00:39:19
Speaker 7: To do that.
00:39:20
Speaker 13: But it's also in Miles Murphy's sort of best interest to maybe play it out, have a really good season, then make a lot more money, and if that means going elsewhere, that could be a definite possibility.
00:39:30
Speaker 3: You have a feature coming out for Cincinnati Magazine about Dexter Lawrence. You also write about him in the Bengals chapter of the FTN Almanac. Was he you know, everything's relative? I remember Joey Vado after he put together three consecutive MVP caliber seasons. You know, he followed those up with a good year by anybody else's standard, just not by his. Is that how we would characterize Dexter Lawrence's last year in New York.
00:39:57
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's a large element to that. I think I've said maybe even on your.
00:40:01
Speaker 13: Show, that you know, expecting him him to be twenty twenty two Dexter Lawrence is a little pollution. If he wasn't that good, that's like complaining about Ted Williams not batting four hundred.
00:40:11
Speaker 7: You know, after nineteen forty one, he was still a really great player, and so was Dexter last year.
00:40:16
Speaker 12: There were a lot of.
00:40:17
Speaker 13: Things going on, a lot of extenuating circumstances. You have to remember, the Giants in his career is seven years there. I think we're thirty six and eighty. I mean, all that losing as any Bengals fan who lived through the nineteen nineties will at test, you know, kind of gets to the players. There's no doubt about that. I think he quiet quit on the Giants a little bit. Also, his role was a little different than it had been years past. He was asked it to sort of eat double teams. But the edge rushers, including their top five draft picked out Dual Carter, really get after the quarterback.
00:40:47
Speaker 7: He's still playing through that injury into his elbow.
00:40:49
Speaker 13: So there were a lot of issues with just sort of dexter in New York, and you mentioned the future I did. I get to go up to North Carolina and spend a day with him at his football camp up there in his hometown of wake Forest, which is near Rawley.
00:41:02
Speaker 7: And you know, he wouldn't come out and say it too loudly, but a lot of the people around him were.
00:41:08
Speaker 13: Saying it that thank god he was out of New York. He couldn't wait to get to Cincinnati. He was super dedicated to sort of start his second act of his career, if you will. And you know, the under the hood metrics definitely bear out the fact that his year wasn't great last year comparative.
00:41:23
Speaker 7: Bussel, but he was still good. He still had you know, close to thirty.
00:41:27
Speaker 13: Hits Harvey's pictures combined, which for a nose tackle was really high, several disruptions which are batting passes out of the air, mainly something.
00:41:36
Speaker 7: Nose tackles don't ordinarily do.
00:41:38
Speaker 8: The guy just.
00:41:38
Speaker 13: Standing next to him this summer, you know, he's such a different looking human being than even other.
00:41:44
Speaker 7: Professional football players. It's hard to really countenance.
00:41:47
Speaker 13: Just his sheer mass and volume, and it's just the kind of Center graphic.
00:41:52
Speaker 7: The Bengals have just never had long tour all the years.
00:41:56
Speaker 13: So if he stays healthy and puts together even just like an averag Reginal Lawrence season for him, Uh, the Bengals will really feel the difference in that defensive unit will look a lot, you know, a lot more like what they saw in the second half and beyond than they did, you know, sort of in the year before that.
00:42:13
Speaker 7: And you know, the horrible play that we grew accustomed to.
00:42:16
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, all right, now we've we've got to do two plugs in the same conversation. The Sexy Dexi piece comes out.
00:42:21
Speaker 13: When it's the next issue, the football preview issue of Since Down magazine late August, mid to late August. I'm not sure the exactual the state, but you know, just before the football season starts.
00:42:35
Speaker 2: Uh.
00:42:35
Speaker 3: And then the the FTN preseason Almanac, which you can you can get right now at Ftnfantasy dot com. And when I say you can get it, you can buy it and you could download it instantly. I print it. I print it because it annoys my co workers. For those who for those who have never gotten it, describe the publication and why people should get it.
00:42:52
Speaker 2: Well before the season starts. Yeah, well you.
00:42:55
Speaker 13: Did a good job of it in the preamble there. And it's also one thing you left out. I think it's really you know, as FTN Fantasy would indicate, it's it's aimed a lot at fantasy players, which is just about everybody these days. The advanced numbers are really in service toward helping you win your fantasy league for the offensive skill guys. Plus, it's about, you know, sort of understanding the league and understanding what matters and what numbers you can dispose of, like how many yards a team gives up or gains in a season overall, and which ones are the important ones like yards per attempt or net yards per attempt or are DVOA and efficiency stats, so you know, And the writing for each team in their essays is really good.
00:43:38
Speaker 7: There's a lot of wit attached. There's plenty of film study.
00:43:41
Speaker 13: For all those people who want to dismiss us all as nerds, it's not just about the numbers, and it's just you know, it's a handy dandy. Either you download, as you said, a PDF, or you can get it the print.
00:43:54
Speaker 7: Version and you're in your hands and you can.
00:43:57
Speaker 13: Look up every player in the league down to the practice blog, guys any team, any element of any team that you want to look up.
00:44:05
Speaker 7: And plenty of guys, and you know.
00:44:07
Speaker 13: A lot of extra stuff like prospects you don't think about, and breaking down what side of the field every quarterback is best at throwing two things like that. I mean, it just goes really deep into the nitty gritty, but you can get the big picture as well.
00:44:20
Speaker 7: So it just depends on how hardcore your fandom is. But there's something in there for everybody.
00:44:24
Speaker 3: Ftnfantasy dot Com slash Almanac. It's a great publication. And print it at work and it'll annoy your co workers like it does meet here. Well, we'll start doing the weekly thing in a few weeks.
00:44:35
Speaker 7: Man.
00:44:35
Speaker 2: Thank you as always.
00:44:37
Speaker 13: I can't wait, and I'll be printing out stuff in my home office to annoy my dog.
00:44:41
Speaker 7: I guess.
00:44:44
Speaker 3: I've never had a home printer that actually works, so I had to come here if I want to print anything of like longer than a page.
00:44:52
Speaker 13: So you know, it's much easier because somebody else pays for the paper in that scenario, so that don't blameboard. It's a pretty thick home of I guess exactly it is worth Yeah, it's.
00:45:01
Speaker 7: A good being.
00:45:03
Speaker 13: I look forward to talking about this excellent Bengal season against their week schedule.
00:45:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, every Thursday.
00:45:08
Speaker 2: Likewise, thank you as always got it.
00:45:11
Speaker 3: It's our guy, Robert Wintroup Ftnfantasy dot com slash Almanac and to read his work as well as Cincinnati Magazine dot com.
00:45:18
Speaker 2: We are way late. This is ESPN fifteen.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
00:48:06
Speaker 3: We have folks who have been waiting, Greg and Chevy, you've been waiting for a while. Thank you for hanging on. How are you hey?
00:48:14
Speaker 14: Pretty good?
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Speaker 8: I'll I won't be long, just real quickly.
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Speaker 10: Uh.
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Speaker 14: You know, in football terms, the Red Steed are Herchel Walker tree to bring in talent, and the only players with great value is Hunter Green and Elie de la Cruz. I mean, I'm all for a trading Hunter Green. He's missed three months last year, three months this year, and this this, this is the best time to trade him right now when teams are looking for pictures. And lastly, on Francona, you know, I wish he would stay with the same lineup and get rid of analytics. And you know, I know it's easy to criticize the manager, but I lost faith in this guy when he brought me and Jibou on opening day in twenty five game. And I'll tell you I don't think he can turn it around, but we'll find out. But that's all I have to say. I'm just fu Treyton, Hunter Green, and thanks for a.
00:49:02
Speaker 3: Lot well you know here, Greg, thanks for the patients and chiming in the herschel Walker comparison, like I get it.
00:49:10
Speaker 2: Dallas.
00:49:11
Speaker 3: The Dallas Cowboys went a long way toward building the dynasty they had in the early nineties because in nineteen eighty nine they traded herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings and they got back in return and I'm doing this off the top of my head. Eight draft picks, including first round picks, in three consecutive years.
00:49:35
Speaker 2: That's not happening.
00:49:37
Speaker 3: There's the Reds aren't getting draft picks in exchange for Hunter Green. I don't know that. I love the comparison. What are they getting in return for Hunter Green? That's going to help him win in the next few years?
00:49:49
Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: I mean like I hear unending in patients and I share unending in patients. When it comes to constantly being told, hey, wait, we're gonna rebuild. It's gonna be a little while longer. Wait if you trade Hunter Green, the message is wait longer. He is part of their core right now. What they get in exchange for Hunter Green is going to be something for down the road. I don't know. I'd rather build around him. Also, if you want to trade him, I don't agree that now is the best time. He's made four starts since coming off the injured list. Like, if you are hell bent on trading him, don't you want him to establish a pattern of health. He's pitched in four games. I thought the game against Saint Louis he was pitching well. And then they make a ton of contact against him in that inning on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: But all right, it was a bad start.
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Speaker 3: He's made like he's made one good start out of four all season long. To me, if you're like, dude, we gotta trade this guy, what you want him to do is pitch for you for the next two months and then when teams are looking to build starting rotations next year, trade Hunter Green.
00:50:54
Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: And look, they're getting offers and maybe they're overwhelmed. Trading Hunter Green to net. Hunter Green now to me, is selling low. I just you, I'm frustrated. We're all frustrated. We're tired of waiting. If you trade Hunter Green, who is affordable, good and under team control for the next three years, you're telling me you can't win with him in that window. And then you're telling me I gotta wait even longer. I don't know that it works to say, well, I'm tired of waiting, but let's trade Hunter Green. And by the way, yeah, he's always hurt. Who on this staff isn't Chase Burns isn't awesome, he's great. Nicoladolo's always hurt, Chase Petty's no good, Brandon Williamson's always hurt. You're about to lose Brady Singer, Like Hunter Green's unreliab who on this staff has a real legitimate track record of like never getting injured, that's been in the big leagues for as long as Hunter Green, even some of the guys who haven't. So I don't know, man, I'm opposed to training them. I mean, like, if you believe this team in the next couple of years can replace Hunter Green, you think they're going to spend more money on guys who are better than Hunter Green, and so I can also take it that way if you're telling me, hey, Hunter's affordable, and again this year he's the eighty eighth highest paid starting pitcher in baseball.
00:52:20
Speaker 2: He's affordable. We're good.
00:52:22
Speaker 3: We can do better. Okay, you're buying better. Do we believe the Reds are gonna go pay buy starting pitchers who are better than Hunter Green?
00:52:31
Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 3: Tony Pike is with us hourly training camp reports. By the Way, Brennan and Jones on baseball in just a second, Today, Tony, was a good day for the linebackers.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, Dimitrius Knight Barret Carter combined to force a turnover. Barrett Carter with a pressure, Demetrius Knight with an interception. There was also a couple of plays I thought Demetrius Knight would have had to tackle for a loss and a sack if they had been tackling. It's different because if they were struggling, we would be overreacting to them struggling. And you want to you want to highlight the good they do. It's the first couple of days of camp. Both sides are working on stuff. But from a takeaway standpoint, was one of the major question marks I think this roster had. It was a good day for the linebacking corps.
00:53:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about It was also a productive day. I felt like every time I looked up Andrey Yoshavas was catching a pass.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that was calculated. We talked about yesterday the secondary being calculated. If you pick apart a little bit of what Joe Burrow said yesterday, he was asked about andre Yoshibash and said, I didn't really have a chance to connect with him today. Was working on other stuff that changed, and that had to do a little bit with t Higgins sat out some of the eleven on eleven just to get him some rest. But they have to find a wide receiver number three answer, and that comes with the confidence that Joe Burrow has in you if you're a receiver. So I would imagine Yoshi's gonna have days like that today. I would imagine that'll change to other players as well. But no doubt about it. There was a focus on andre Yosibash and when you find that focus on you, you better come down with the ball. And to his credit, a lot of passes went his way. Did not see a lot of passes.
00:54:44
Speaker 7: Hit the ground.
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Speaker 2: Tony will talk again in about an hour. Thanks so much.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Tony Pike joins us every hour live training camp reports and tomorrow morning. Tony and Mode Training Camp Show ten o'clock till noon, Live from Bengals Training Camp on ESPN fifteen thirty. Brenneman and Jones on Baseball's Next, Once You've found your drive?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does.
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Speaker 8: What's up?
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Speaker 3: Get out, Fernandam Lagger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Appreciate you listening, Appreciate you hanging out with us. We have been busy today. We're gonna be busy this hour. We got a lot of injuries to talk about. Very good news, good news. Very good news would be Shamar's good. He's gonna practice tomorrow. Pretty good news regarding Shamar Stewart. We have that Eric Hall who got hit by a three whee old truck and says that's kind of the test he needed to pass. He looks awesome. We've got Spencer Steer's hand. We've got and this is maybe the most sobering of all, although not really. It's a July and Drew. We'll see Tylan Riley from UC transferred from Tulsa. He's got a hand injury, so we're gonna talk with one of the experts of Ortho Sincy about all four guys coming up in just about thirty minutes. You're gonna hear Buster Olney on Hunter Green in just a second, and Tony Pike as well.
00:56:03
Speaker 2: The news of the day.
00:56:04
Speaker 3: The theme of the day, I think from Bengals training camp would be relief. There was good competition, great competition at the bottom of the depth chart at wide receiver, Andrey Yoshavaz had a good day. I think Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter both had good days. Both made plays on during team drills. But the headline yesterday, beyond the fight, beyond the fisiness, was Shamar Stewart's injury. At the end of today's practice, I think Zach Taylor outlined best case scenario for Shamar all right.
00:56:36
Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart yesterday fortunately avoided major injury, so he higher extended his knee. It'll be several weeks. Hard to pinpoint exactly how much into training camp that'll be, but very fortunate because it obviously looked bad and he's put on a lot of work, so hard to see.
00:56:51
Speaker 7: Him go down like that.
00:56:52
Speaker 4: But the good news is we'll be getting him back soon around.
00:56:54
Speaker 9: The letter looks all yeah, thank you, there you go.
00:56:56
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not a Twitter doctor. I don't pretend to be one.
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Speaker 3: I think there or a lot of as though who saw the injury and feared the worst. Some assumed it. I don't believe in doing that, but feared the worst. It didn't look good. So the good news is it doesn't appear to be anything season ending, doesn't appear to be anything that's gonna force the Bengals to go find his replacement. Now, the bad news is Shamar Stewart's going to miss a lot of practice time. And many have said, and I agree, Schamar Stewart could really benefit from having a lot of practice time. But relative to what we all feared, this is good. This is good news, good news, so excited that we were not dealing with the sobering, the sobering news that I think a lot of his feared we were gonna get today. Beyond that, I don't know that there were any real injuries to discuss, and that is Look, there's only a handful of things that really happened during training camp that really break through. At the top of that list his injury. If this team can get through camp healthy. It's only going to fuel the optimism. That's all there. They obviously have a long way to go before we get to that point. But the first they are gonna be hurdles. There are gonna be obstacles. The first one has been seemingly cleared. Cannot wait for tomorrow. Back ten am Adorn Window, Tony and Mo Training Camp Show live from tomorrow's practice. It's open to the public. If you can't be there, let us be your eyes and ears for it. We had a chance today to talk to Brian Cook, the pride of Mount Healthy, the former Bearcat Super Bowl champion with the Chiefs, and he came over and talked with us, and I think you'll be impressed if you hear our conversation with him. He was terrific. It's available on the iHeartRadio app. We've talked a lot about the Reds and Hunter Green, specifically today. Hunter didn't pitch in last night last night's game, if the idea behind hiring Terry Francona was not as much Slop's, be honest man. Since last Monday, there have been three games that I think could be described as sloppy, and they've lost all three last night, Ellie, Dela Cruz and Edwin Arroyo looked like they had never turned a double play, and I hold Edwin a little bit more culpable. He has been sent down. There's a long list of players who have failed when they first got into the big leagues, been sent down, got another chance and took advantage of it. So nobody should discount the possibility that he's a big part of this team. But if you're like me, you were underwhelmed with what you saw from Edwin Arroyo during his time here, and I was among the many who wanted to see him and felt like he deserved promotion. He now deserves to be sent down. Matt McLain is back, and it really feels like put up or shut up time for Matt McLain. We simply can't keep doing this, We can't keep doing the thing well, you know, he was really good in twenty twenty. We can't do that, can't do that this offseason. So like either he spends the next two months demonstrating that he deserves at least an opportunity to compete for a starting job on next year's team, or you just move on to someone else. And you hate to put in such blunt terms, but I don't know what you do. Matt McLean is back Edward Arroyo down the Hunter Green trade speculation. Ken Rosenthal writes in The Athletic about a lot of teams reaching out to the Reds about Hunter Green. Now I believe this. I don't think anybody should be untouchable. Anybody should be untouchable. Like I don't want to sell my house. We've put a lot of time, effort and energy into our house. We love it, We've worked hard for it. But if you call me and say, mom, I'll give you a million dollars for your house sold, It's not a million dollar house, not even close, and there's no for sale sign out in front. But if you're like, mo, I want the house, hunter, I'll give you a mill right now?
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Speaker 2: Okay? Cool. So like, if that.
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Speaker 3: Sort of deal is out there for Hunter Green or a lot of guys, awesome. My guess is one won't be We will see. Of course teams should be interested. I just don't understand why you trade him. I just don't understand it. And what I don't understand is I do it right? You complain about the Reds constantly telling you to wait, constantly telling you to wait. Come on, how about our future prospects, young guys, We're gonna be better. Just wait a little bit longer. Come on, the payoff is coming, and it never does. I don't think it makes sense to complain about that and then want to see the Reds rip apart their core that I think a lot of general managers and baseball operation heads could successfully build around, and Hunter Green is a part of that core. Like, ask yourself this, Hunter Green. If the Reds said, cool, we're open for business one Hunter Green, how many teams would be interested? And yes, they would be interested because you could get him for the rest of this year. But despite the injuries, despite the frustration with how he's handled his injuries, I would imagine maybe not all, but pretty damn close to every team would say, yeah, we want him, So why shouldn't the Reds. Buster Olney's podcast is terrific to Baseball Tonight podcast. I wish he did it every single day, but he does it most days.
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Speaker 2: It's great. Here's what Buster one had to say about Hunter Green.
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Speaker 15: So, any player who's under contract beyond twenty twenty six, there's just so much uncertainty about what's to come, and you know how you fit a players under contract, and now there are exceptions. For example, you know hearing on here on Thursday morning that Hunter Green is available, and I was told by one source it's fifty to fifty that he gets traded. He's the sort of player who has a contract that's sort of immune to that uncertainty.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's making eight point three.
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Speaker 15: Million dollars this year, He's in line to make fifteen point three million dollars in twenty twenty seven, sixteen point three million dollars in twenty twenty eight. So he's a bargain, right and no matter what the economic system is going forward, he's going to fit into that. It's the bigger contracts. It's the uncertainty about guys who maybe they are free agents after five years instead of six years, that I think are going to generally speaking, chase general managers to making deals for players who are pending free agents.
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Speaker 3: You just heard Buster Olney described accurately describe Hunter Green as a bargain the Cincinnati Reds. Remember this is who we're talking about, the Cincinnati Reds. Shouldn't the Cincinnati Reds be interested in anybody who's a bargain. FC Cincinnati is back after the All Star Game. Evander scored in the All Star Game. The All Star Game looked like an FC Cincinnati game. FC Cincinnati takes on San Jose this weekend. Steve Cangelosi has the call and he joins us.
01:03:38
Speaker 1: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic. You want to know who's turning heads at Bengals training camp? We got you covered on the official home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Speaker 3: Twenty two after five, This is ESPN fifteen thirty one. Or FC Cincinnati is about to be really busy with League's Cup games coming up. If you look at that competition schedule plus how it's bookended, Round one is bookended by a pair of MLS regular season tilts. Don't play five games in fifteen days, starting on a Saturday night, a game at home against San Jose. FC Cincinnati, coming off that bitter loss to Columbus two to one last weekend last Saturday night, and coming out of the MLS All Star Game that saw a goal from Evander the game on Saturday night. Steve Cangelosi Apple TV has the call. The MLS All Star Game was a lot of fun to watch, Unfortunately, because of all the goals, it kind of reminded me of an FC Cincinnati game.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's good to be with you. I've never seen anything.
01:04:48
Speaker 8: Like this, and I'm an old timer.
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Speaker 16: You know that I've been calling games in this league since since two thousand and two, and I've never seen this. I've never seen a team way through the season seriously flirt with records for goals scored and goals allowed in the same season. But that's tangibly where we are. Either one of those things are attainable for FC Cincinnati.
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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, but it's not sustainable, right, Like if the idea is to you know, compete in the Eastern Conference, climb the table, and then be considered legitimate postseason contenders. Like it's entertaining and it's fun and it's interesting and the games have been really interesting in a blast to watch, but in terms of like having success, their model this year isn't going to be able to be sustained.
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Speaker 7: Correct.
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Speaker 16: Pat Noonan is thirty years younger than the coach that he will match wits with this weekend, Bruce Arena, And if this does continue, and you said unsustainable. But if it does continue, he's going to have less hair than Bruce soon, okay, because this cuts to the core of everything that he's against, right, I mean, what was the DNA of this team in the first four years under his stewardship.
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Speaker 8: It was largely defense.
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Speaker 16: And we're talking about a team that's already allowed forty two goals to season MO they allowed forty.
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Speaker 8: All of last year.
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Speaker 16: They have eclipsed the number of goals allowed in half a season compared to what it was last year.
01:06:23
Speaker 8: So say no more.
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Speaker 16: And as you and I talk, I'm not sure there's any simple fix to this either. I'm one of those guys who thinks there's going to be a real push among the smart teams in MLS When they think about adding their next designated player, it's going to be a center back. It's something that cuts to the core of defending. I think we're going to see that trend a little bit more now. We all know scoring is sexy, right, but I think the smart teams are going to do it another way. If Miles Robinson's designated player, they're not adding a VP center back anytime soon.
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Speaker 8: Unless you're really shake a lot of things up, and I don't know that they're prepared to do that right now.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, during the World Cup break we talked about, well, they'll be healthier because health was an issue in the first you know, a few months of the season. Well they've been healthy in the in the matches since, they don't look that much better in terms of goals allowed. You brought up Pat Noonan, and hallmarks of his time here to me have been everything is cohesive. That hasn't been the case. They're usually very disciplined. That wasn't the case against Columbus. You'll find no bigger Pat Noonon fan than the person you're talking to right now. But I think that's what's so frustrating about this year is this doesn't feel like a Pat Noonon led team.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, and I don't think there are very many teams, not only in MLS but in professional sports that outscore their problems.
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Speaker 8: Okay, I just don't think that exists.
01:07:51
Speaker 2: As a Cincinnati Bengals fan, I could tell you.
01:07:53
Speaker 12: There are none.
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Speaker 16: You're onto something, right, So again, you know, if it's fun calling these games, by the way, yes it is. I think you know everybody knows what's going on everyone wants and your fans are gonna be sick of me because I think I've got them like four times in the span of three weeks. This league's Cup that's coming up. So look, these are fun games to call, and there are talented players at the top of the attack you do have right now. I think the most watchable guy in the league is you try to navigate your way out of this and figure out things on one end of the field. The great correction for this team right now is somebody who looks like he's the best player on North American soil right now, and that is Evander.
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Speaker 8: He's been that good. And to think about where he started.
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Speaker 16: No goals in his first nine games all competitions this year, to what he is now a one man wrecking crew, somebody who I think is absolutely the most dangerous person with the ball on his foot outside the eighteen yard bucks.
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Speaker 8: You're gonna fix a lot.
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Speaker 16: Of things that way, but I think, by and large, one through eleven, a lot of things a way. When you're gonna go up against the Santos, a team that's a little bit perturbed they've come out of the World Cup break, you know, a little bit skittishly themselves, and they're a very good team and they're getting.
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Speaker 8: Their top goal scorer back.
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Speaker 16: So you're doing this without Matt Mioski, you're doing this without Dotto Allen's Well, this is not easy on Saturday night as you try to get back.
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Speaker 8: On the right track.
01:09:29
Speaker 3: The voice of FC Cincinnati, at least for the next few weeks, Steve Canzelosi, have a great call on Saturday night.
01:09:36
Speaker 2: Man, thanks so much, as.
01:09:37
Speaker 8: Always, Thanks moo, take care, bye bye.
01:09:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, the MLS all start look like a FC Cincinnati game, and it's an over being overly dramatic, but it sort of did. Twenty eight after five o'clock tern How how are we on time right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, I know we have a few interviews.
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Speaker 3: We got Yeah, we got Tony, all right, we gotta get you Tony, and we we've got our injury guy, uh, doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Orthoso. I need ninety seconds because something bothers me. Not not not about you or the show or anything. So I am a very casual fan of the Columbus Blue Jackets, but I'm a big fan of broadcasting. So I saw last night the Columbus Blue Jackets are basically ending their radio broadcast and they're going to do a TV and radio simulcast, and I would like to think that we don't need to go into the deep details as to the differences between doing a radio broadcast and a television broadcast. And I've been told there are some other NHL teams who do this. The Blue Jackets are going to do this, and the broadcasters they're going to use are there.
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Speaker 2: They're television guys.
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Speaker 3: And the television guys on the Columbus Blue Jackets side, Steve Mears and Jody Jody Shelley, are terrific. And I know there's some uncertainty with where the games are going to be housed next year because of what's happened with RSNS, and so I'm sensitive to that. But they're going to eliminate separate radio and television broadcasts. And I am of the opinion and some would disagree, but I am of the opinion that if you care about your audience, and if you care about your advertisers, and if you care about your broadcasters being able to do their best work, then you have radio broadcasters do a radio broadcast, and you have TV broadcasters do a TV broadcast. And so I think this is an embarrassment. This is a National Hockey League team. It's a bad National Hockey League team. The Blue Jackets are never good. They hire a new coach seemingly every forty five days. They've won one real playoff series in their existence. But they've always had good television and radio. We've carried radio broadcasts here. This is a bad look for a major professional sports franchise. But what really bothers me about this is Bob mcgelligan was the radio guy for seventeen years. And again, like, we don't do a ton of Blue Jacket stuff. We're one hundred miles away. It's not a huge hockey market. But like before the season, before opening night, or when like there's big Blue Jackets news, or on the rare occasion they actually make the postseason, we pick up the phone, Tarren picks up the phone.
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Speaker 2: We get Bob on and he's awesome. He's a great guest.
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Speaker 3: I would we're not friends, we don't hang out, but he's a terrific guest, the very nice guy, always willing to accommodate us. He's not being brought back. Now, Okay, those decisions happen, but the hockey season ended in mid April for the Blue Jackets again because they never make the playoffs. Bob mcgelligant found out that he wasn't being brought back yesterday. So the dude loses his gig, and that's life. That happens, happens in business, happens in sports, certainly happens in our industry. But they told him he was out of a gig three and a half months after the season ended. So what has happened since all the other NHL teams have they're broadcasting crews set that's doing a guy dirty man and like it's making somebody twist in the wind. And I'm not going to go too deep into this because I could talk about some personal experiences. The one thing you do not do with people is let them twist in the wind. And the Columbus Blue Jackets apparently did that with somebody who I think is a good broadcaster and has always been kind to us. So that franchise, which has all sorts of issues they can rarely put a winning team on the ice, embarrassed itself. Be better Columbus Blue Jackets. We'll talk about hyper extended knees and Shamar Stewart.
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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 3: We talk injuries and we got a lot to discuss multiple sports with one of the experts from Orthos since the Orthopedics in sports medicine. What we love about Orthos Sincey is they have specialist locations and services all over the Tri State including walking orthopedic urgent care at five locations that includes extended evening and weekend hours in Edgewood and Anderson. Learn more at orthosinc dot com. That's Ortho ci ncy dot com. Doctor Jonathan's laughter is with us, we got good news, best case Schamar Stewart. It's believed to be a hyper extended knee. So this is this is best case. Walk me through what the injury is.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, So hyper extension injury is basically where your knee extends more than it's used to or more than it's capable or designed to, and that can put a lot of stress on the surrounding tissues including the joint capsule, hamstrings, and a lot of times you can even see bone contusion where when you hyper extend the bone of the femur can impact the bone of the tibia, which then creates a bone bruise, swelling bleeding inside the bone without an actual fracture. We always fear, you know, tearing the ligaments like ACL, MCL, l PCL with knee injuries, which are more serious requires surgery where hyper extension injury. If you don't tear any of the ligaments, don't tear the meniscus. Now you just created. Now you've got basic, got strained soft tissues around it where you're going to work on getting the inflammation down, start stretching them out, get the motion going, get strength and get the balance back in the knee.
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Speaker 3: Sir, are we talking about something where it's reasonable to expect that at least hope, maybe not expected he could play week one.
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Speaker 7: I would be surprised if he didn't.
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Speaker 17: If it's just a strain of the soft tissues around it and a bone bruise. And he continues to progress with the inflammation getting down, with getting his strength back, his balance and his propriate reception where you basically body understands its position of where it's at.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about another Bengal eric Al and he looks awesome so far early in training camp, and we're all rooting for him for a bunch of different reasons, not the least of which is his injury history is really really significant. Had a season ending ACL tear in twenty twenty three when he was in college. He's had minimally invasive surgery for herniated disk when he was in college. He had another knee injury during his rookie season, right when he was starting to show a promise, and so he then had to have two more surgeries. And the way it's been framed is one surgery to fix the new injury and another surgery to fix the old injury that the previous surgery didn't necessarily fix. And I hope I'm not being too confusing based on what you know about this, Can you walk us through specifically, like for Eric, indeed, how hard his return to the NFL field is and what he's trying to overcome.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, now, a lot of it's gonna be overcovering scar tissue, some atrophy and the muscles from recovery process, and just getting back into his elite form with that surgery, especially the ACL, when you tear it a second time, you first got to figure out why did it tear Why did it fail? Was it something that was a little bit off in the first surgery, or in his case, more likely, was it just another unfortunate positioning of his knee where the new reconstructed livement gave way.
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Spencer Steer. So it was odd watching the game on Sunday. He leaves the game during in a bat, he was not hit by a pitch. It looked like a normal swing, and they take him out of the game and he has been placed on the ten day injured list. They call it a right wrist sprain. I've seen the term sheath, which I've never heard about. I've that's a new one to me. The tendon sheath, which I guess keeps the right wrist tendon in place. And so he's not gonna have surgery, at least for now, but they're not discounting that as a possibility.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with their term. I had never heard of tendon sheath. What is it? How does it work?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, So, a sheath is basically a covering tissue that covers the tendon, usually when it's going over a point of the bone that often is a groove that it runs in, and that sheath helps keep that tendon in that groove so that it's not popping up over the edge of the bone of the groove, creating pain, a popping catching inflammation.
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Speaker 3: So it's a partial tear versus a full tear. Would a full tear have immediately required.
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Speaker 17: Surgery for most likely I'm guessing this is the extensor carpiol and neris tendon, which is a tendon on the small finger side. It attaches to the bone at the base of your small finger and extend your wrist. That is often seen in swinging sports, especially baseball, And if it is a full tear and that tendon is unstable, where every time you're especially rotating the wrist, it's popping out of place. By far, majority of those are surgical. Sometimes you can get them. If you get them acutely right away, you can completely immobilize and splint the wrist and it can heal and scar back in place to avoid surgery as long as that tendon is then stable.
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Speaker 3: How does something like this happen when he's just taking a normal swing.
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Speaker 17: I wish I would have seen the swing because was it that exact swing or was there another one that he was fooled on? Because oftentimes these happen, especially with swinging like Mark tashera Yeh who's a batista, Anthony Radon all had this type of injury. It's oftentimes you're you're starting your swing, you're starting your motion, you're expecting fastball or reading fastball, and all of sudden realize it's an off speed pitch. You're now trying to slow down the explosion in speed of your swing to match the speed of the ball, and that tendon in the force can cause that sheath to rip. So a lot of times it's more often when you're fold on a pitch and trying to adjust and it is a normal swing.
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of folks heard the original you know the plan for this, which right now doesn't involve surgery, and go look, just go ahead and have the surgery. It feels almost inevitable. What do you make of the approach here? And is that maybe an unfair way of looking at things.
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Speaker 17: It's a little bit unfair because you're talking when you start talking with sports, especially at the elite level, it's not just necessarily the injury, it's also the timing. Where is it in the season, where is it in the off season? Because if you said, oh, well, this isn't going to heal when potentially could well, the rest of the season's out. Most likely he would be back at the start of next season. Now you're like, well, it's partially torn, it might not be fully subluxating or popping over the bone. If this can scar down, heel down, we can avoid surgery, play the rest of this season, rehab more in the offseason, and then we don't miss much time. That's the art of being kind of a sports medicine doctor, where you're looking at where they are in the season, the timing, and if we did surgery now, well he's out this season, where if we try now and try to get him to come back, he doesn't come back, Okay, we're doing surgery. He misses the rest of the season, which he would have anyways, but he would still be back for next season. So it's more the art of sports medicine.
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Speaker 3: Tremendous insight. Doctor Jonathan's laughter from Orthos Sinsey.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Thank you, Moe.
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01:22:44
Speaker 2: More Check in with Tony Pike for a training camp report.
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Speaker 3: The theme of the day today, I think was sigh of relief because while Shamar Stewart won't be on the practice field at any point over the next couple of days or weeks, we at least avoided the worst case scenario.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, you and I were standing there as then. Anouncement was made towards the end of practice that Zach Taylor was not going to be made available for media questions, but he did have a statement to issue on Shamar Stewart, and I think you and I both kind of thought the same thing. That probably doesn't bode well for Shamar Stewart, and to our surprise, I think to hear that no other damage was done except the hyper extension. I mean, that is it's best case scenario, not only for Shamar Stewart, but for the depth on the defensive line as well. Obviously, it stings a little bit because we talked about Shamar not being really able to miss any reps in any days of practice, and Zach Taylor used the term a couple weeks. We don't know if that's two for what that looks like, but nonetheless, a big boost to the Bengals defense that they're going to have their former first round pick sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 2: Tony will talk to you tomorrow ten o'clock.
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