Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka Interviews - SANDE HART - The Liminal Odyssey

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host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildaweka.
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This is Mission Evolution and I'm Guildaweka. Today we welcome
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a remarkable guest whose life's work unfolds the powerful spaces
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where transformation begins. Sandy Hart is an award winning author, humanitarian, visionary,
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women's empowerment advocate, and founder of global Women's Village and
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interfaith organization dedicated to compare collaboration and community healing. Sandy's
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also the author of the celebrated book The Liminal Odyssey,
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The Alchemical Power of the Spaces in Between, exploring the
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alchemical force found in the in between spaces of our lives,
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these thresholds where identity shifts, consciousness expands, and destiny unfolds.
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Her leadership in establishing California as the world's first compassionate
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state has positioned her as a global catalyst for positive
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social evolution. In her work as a futurist, spiritual activist,
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and community builder, Sandy teaches us to honor the unseen,
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embrace uncertainty, and use liminal space as a gateway to
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personal and collective evolution. Sandy, thanks for joining us on
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Mission Evolution.
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I am so happy to be here with you. Thank
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you for having me.
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It's it's just a real pleasure. I'm so looking forward
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to working with you today.
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Yeah.
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So, Sandy, what first inspired your lifelong work with the liminal.
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Well, it started long before I even understood what the
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word liminal meant. It was a tongue twister for me.
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But I'd always been really curious about people, and I
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was raised in a rather rigid home. I wasn't raised
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with a lot of confidence or you know, an environment
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that really fostered evolutionary growth, you know, and that was
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very much due to the content with My parents are
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much older than me, I much older than the average parent,
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and also, you know, it was it was necessary for
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my for my for for who I was. It was
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I had to go through the difficult experiences and some
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trauma to really know that this was a catalyst for
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me to start asking different questions. And I was always
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asking people where they were from, and you know, I
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was always asking to get invited into people's homes because
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I wanted to know what it smelt like, and I
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wanted to know what kind of food's d and I
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wanted to understand what was on the walls and what
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that meant to them. So I was always interested in
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what motivated people really is what it was. And so
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the morning of nine to eleven, I woke up completely
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rewired from the director of sales and marketing of you
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know who I was the night before nine to eleven,
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and I heard gather women And I'm like, who's saying
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this to me? And where am I supposed to find
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these women? And what am I supposed to do with
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them once I find them? But I said yes, And
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before I knew it, I had twelve women from the
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faith communities because this is what was going on in
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my county, were these conversations of different faiths coming together
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to address the tolerance in the community. And that's where
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I found the women. So we were just naturally inter
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faithful when we gathered. So we called ourselves some other
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of all nations known as Sarah and then twenty years
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later we realized it was time to change and became
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the Global Women's Village. We're not inter faithful anymore, but
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it's very much part of our DNA. But I'll to
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answer your question about the liminal space. It was always
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in those liminal spaces that I've accomplished. Anything and everything
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I have done was a creative spark. So there was
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no state of compassion before now California is a state
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of compassion. There was no women's organization that looked anything
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like us, and now we became the world's largest in
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you know, grassroots interfaith organization. There was nothing like any
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of the initiatives that I have ever you know, brought
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forth or you know, and door led further. And so
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I came to realize this that all of that happened
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in these spaces, but I didn't have a framework for
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it until I've heard this word liminal that meant threshold.
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So I discovered it's really what I'm doing in those
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spaces in between you know, dilemma and choice, crisis and action,
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you know. Hearing something that catalyzed me into what am
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I going to do next with this? I wasn't just
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happy sitting there and letting it pass by me. So
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that is that liminal space is what informs me of
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what the next thing to do. Is slowing down, asking
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the question what wants to happen here and then doing it.
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Now, that's fascinating. So how do your roles as a mother, grandmother, author,
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and community leader shape your perspective on social change?
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First of all, becoming a changes everything because now you
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see the world through the lens of how it's impacting
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my child, how I'm impacting my child, What am I
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contributing to in the world, Where is my dollar going,
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Who am I supporting? What corporation am I feeding? You know?
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And so it changed everything for me at some cellular level.
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You know, I really didn't really come to understand that
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until I've been doing this study, which is really more
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intense in the last five years, and I'm okay, that
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is what was driving me to always show up into
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different spaces were my kids? Interfaith? Oh gosh, Well, the
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beauty of interfaith community building is that you get to
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learn about all these different traditions and pathways which really
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do more for deepening the roots of your own tradition
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and belief system. And so the interfaith, you know, adding that,
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you know into the mix, you know, into the cauldron
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that it was stirred up, you know, being a mother
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and seeing the world to that archetypal understanding of who
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I was as a mother, and also being becoming to
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become more connected to the child, to the maiden in me,
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you know, if you're looking at these archetypal identities of maiden,
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mother crone, and so these perspectives have changed over the
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years as I grow into that crone, into that wisdom
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of being a woman. And so all of these understandings
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every day evolved my belief system and my fiber and
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rearrange the DNA every day because I'm learning different things
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every day.
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Never a dull moment, then.
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Huh, never a dull moment.
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What eded you to create Global Women's Village and how
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has it evolved?
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So the Global Women's Village having trans the reason why
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it transformed when we knew this is what the name
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and the destiny of what Sarah would become, that which
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is the mother of all nations. That's what we called
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her Sarah. The spiritual religious lines for hope that you know,
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soon after nine to eleven, when we were all convening.
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And then in twenty twenty three, I found myself back
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on the Women's Task Force for the Parliament of the
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World's Religions, which is the world's largest convening of clergy, theologians, seekers, environmentalists,
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social impact or you know, organizers' safety net organizations, everyone
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who really could you know, focuses on their highest and
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deepest value system to heal our world from whatever perspective.
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With all these different tracks of programming and workshops four
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hundred workshops, plenaries, you know, observances of other people's rituals
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and interactive and engagement and you know, experiences for a
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whole week, eight to ten thousand people come from eighty
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different countries around the world. It's imagine walking the halls
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everyone in the regalia and the different languages and just
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heaven on Earth really. And so having been on the
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task force before, and also having been to the parliaments
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because they're every few years, going back to two thousand
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and nine at Melbourne, Australia's Parliament, I started noticing women
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and I wasn't alone that women have very little room
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in that space. Over the course of the week, and
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then we get this Women's Task force in twenty fifteen,
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and the the privilege to have forty of those four
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hundred workshops dedicated to the topic of women, the dignity
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of women, women's empowerment, women, and you know, impressing culture,
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all different ways of conversing on the topic of women.
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But even that wasn't enough. Come twenty twenty three, I
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just raised my hand and said, you know, how about
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we create a space within the Parliament of the world's religions,
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right in the middle of the world's religions, and call
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it the Women's Village, and design it for everyone, but
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by women, in the design of the divine feminine, if
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you will. We had an earth alter, We had a
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mother tree. We had a water fountain. We had circles
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for dialogue, spontaneous dialogues. We had what we call a
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red tent room where you could go in and close
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the door and it was a sacred space. Women might
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just want to sit in silence. We also did a
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lot of very loud programming in there. We had all
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kinds of these different fixtures. But women were coming up
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to us all week and saying, I feel safe here.
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The era is different. In here. We were solving problems differently,
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and we were coming up with real critical solutions to
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real old problems. We were doing this work in a
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different way in circle. Really, we were doing it differently.
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Men were coming in and engaging too. It's for men too.
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Yet when women play on, when women design, when women organize,
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we have a different way and our solutions are swift
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and sustainable. And this all came to light and kind
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of came right into focus while standing in the middle
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of the Women's Village, and I know what's next for Sarah,
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And here we became the global women's village, focusing on women,
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futuring a new paradigm.
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How did you help cultivate California as a first official
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compassionate state in the world.
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Well, long before everything I just shared with you, Compassionate
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California happened, I was on the volunteer staff of the
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Charter for Compassion International, which is a global organization that
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at the time was really focused on creating cities of compassion.
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And that means bringing together not only civic leaders, but
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also social impact organizations and safety net organizations like the
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food bank and the domestic violence shelters, and youth programming
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and you know, bringing together the Department of Education and teachers,
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bringing together grassroots and of course also the interfaith community
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and all kinds of you know, all the stakeholders of
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a community. We got together in one room and we said,
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can we all agree to these four basic, very elegant,
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very simple paragraphs that are known as the Charter for Compassion,
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which really reminds us to come down to the golden
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rule treat others as you treat themselves. But really, how
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do we solve problems? How do we communicate? How do
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we build community in a compassionate way? And when it
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comes from all these different sectors, because we are all interrelated,
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interconnected and mutually beneficial. When we do solve our problems collectively,
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then we're not I'm not creating a solution for the
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environmental community that is wrecking another community. Right, How do
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we work this out in this room? And that's what
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a city today.
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I'm sorry time, We're going to have to take it
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a station break, Sandy, and I will return very shortly,
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With this is our discussing feminine leadership. Is Sandy Hart,
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the author of The Liminal Odyssey and Alchemical Power of
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the Spaces in Between. Sandy, how has feminine wisdom influenced
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your inner faith and community building efforts?
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Oh, it's everything, because it's wired in me as it
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is in every woman, and I've only recently learned how
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to utilize it, how to honor it and have reverence
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for it and then listen to it. That's a big one.
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How many times do we get a nudge or a
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pain or a you know, our throat tightens up or
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heart light separate titans. That's feminine wisdom. That's our body
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talking to us. We are not separate from our body.
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And that was a big revelation for discovery for me.
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And it shows up in my body. Lets you know
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right away, without a doubt. I can always count on it.
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It's like my bff, can you share an example of
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a time when you identified a gap in a system
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and turned it to an opportunity for change.
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the here's one. It's like picking our favorite child. Right.
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I was on a call co hosting a panel. I
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was at the Charter for Compassion, actually with someone at
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a department at the UN, it doesn't matter who they were.
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the Sustainable Development Goals, these eighteen goals that are designed
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to mark critical change across all these different critical issues
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on our planet. And so I asked them, why is
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it taking so long to achieve these goals? Why is
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it taking so long for the United Nations to accomplish
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these goals? I mean they're markers, there's improvements, but it's
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been fifteen years. Why so long? And the response woke
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me up. It said, he said, good policy requires good people,
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and most people are not even conscious of the choices
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they make while sitting in their seat at the United Nations.
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I mean they're consciously considering everything, but are we truly
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living it in that way? So this is not to
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discourage the United Nations, because they do remarkable work, but
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it's not fast enough when you have the resources the
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United Nations has, And so that led me to thinking
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about a big friend. There are seventeen goals. I thought
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of an eighteenth a personal responsibility and self agency. What
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if we had an eighteenth goal that threaded through every
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single one of those to remind everyone working on any
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one of those goals to really stop and think about
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what's my personal responsibility and my self agency in addressing
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issues and brings it right down to the personal. It
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got tractions traction, and it was never intended to really
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get a designated as an eighteenth goal. I mean, this
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is a big system, a big machine. It was really
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a grassroots effort to grab the imagination of people, and
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it got it, got made a lot of you know track,
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it got it. I realized that it was much more
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than I could manage, and it eventually went away. But
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the intention there was that the other and that is
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and this came from a challenge. Being an interfaith organization
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we were there was a contest coming up, and that
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contest for this global organization that we are part of
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was called the United Religions Initiative was to come up
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with a project that exemplified our collectivision, which is at
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the r I the United Religions and should have the
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principal and preamble of the United Religions Initiative, which are
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these universal goals that we all want to reach, you know,
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ultimately ending up with the everyone living the Golden rule
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UH doing to under others as you will have done
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unto yourself. And so immediately it dawned on me what
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our projects should be that we wanted to present and
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submit as a prize winning or submission. And because we've
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done panel discussions, we convene the community in circle. We
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have we have spoken on podiums across all the different
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faith traditions at the universities, at every university in On County.
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We've done programming on campus and a number of them
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for nearly ten years at the time. But what weren't
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we doing. We weren't reaching the critical mass of our community.
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What will people show up for? They will show up
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for community service. So I convene my circle and we
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created the Weekend of Community Service, inter fifth Weekend of
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Community Service where we pulped cross pollinated our different faith
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traditions to go out and do service together. Now that
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was ten years ago, that was at least ten years
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ago because we did it for seven years and oh
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and we won the award you're actually looking at it
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for the top of the one up there, and we
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got to accept it in India. That was our prize.
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We've received a cash award plus this trip to India
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to receive it. A global assembly to a global assembly
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at any rate. The impact from that was so profound
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that a mosque and a synagogue that would never step
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into one another's place of worship got together and now
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they to this day still sponsor a homeless a homeless
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transition home for families.
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So that's that's just one of the you know, impacts
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from the work that we have done. But you know,
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taking a problem what aren't we doing and finding you know,
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stopping in that liminal space and asking what else could
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what aren't we doing? What questions aren't we asking? And
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that's where we came up with that. And by the way,
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we still have that money in our account. We don't
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we don't really do a lot to spend money here.
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So and that was ten years ago.
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So what global shift do you believe is necessary for
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women to move into equal leadership roles?
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Thank you for asking that question. It's absolutely about remembering
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who we are. We and ask ourselves, how am I
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perpetuating the system? Where is my dollar going? How am
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I treating my sister? Am I wounded? Do I have
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the sister? When do I have some trauma that could
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be addressed? And how am I living? That we fund them?
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Only believe that women are the answer to all of
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humanity's issues right now? And what about the men or
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the We need our men, we need our partners. We
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can't fly. We need the two wings of the bird
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to be in balanced. But sometimes you want to turn
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a corner, you want to change directions, You got to
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shift which wing is up here and which wing is
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going to be taken care of down here. And so
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we know that when we do our work, everyone is healed.
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And that's what happened at the women's village at the Parliament.
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Everyone was welcoming the space. We didn't do it just
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for ourselves, but we did it through how women heal,
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how women sell problems, how women design.
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So what is liminality.
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Liminal means threshold, liminality means what we do in that space.
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And how does the concept of liminality relate to expanded
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conscious in spiritual awakening.
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I think it's everything. It's where we start, It's where
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we can slow down the speed of on wonder. Right,
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this is just standard fundamental that should be the default
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on wonder because when you're in wonder, you're in curiosity.
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Right when you're in curiosity, there's not a lot of
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room for vulnerability or fear, and fear is usually what
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keeps us in place. That's why we continue. We might
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be spiraling as an evolution, but we keep coming back
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around because I think this is great spirit God. However,
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you want to identify whatever force is moving this, moving us,
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moving through us, which is not I can't even find
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a name. There is no name for it. That which
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cannot be named. It continues to put this back in
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front of us. Look at the conditions in the United
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States right now. How is it so fragile that so
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much is getting rolled back and so many are agreeing
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to it? Is that possible? We haven't learned, we haven't
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asked the right questions, and we that's what we are
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in search of that We're in search of the right answers.
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But first you have to have the right questions.
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And that happens in the liminal space when we quiet
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and realize and just realize real with real eyes, turn
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on your inside eyes, you know, your internal eye, your
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inner eye, and what haven't but we've been asking, get real.
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We have to go general on ourselves, but we get
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to be real, real with ourselves in that space. And
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that's where I did. That's when, that's when I discovered
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this one chapter I thought it was writing for the
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Liminal Odyssey turned out to be eleven or twelve chapters.
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barely a chapter, but it's packs a punch, if you will.
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that space and thinking about what does this story really mean?
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That happened me in my life, but I thought was
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a mundane experience, kind of cool Monday and experience, but
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a mondane experience. What was happening there? And oh my gosh, wait,
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there's another story. Suddenly all these stories started just like
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rolling out of me, each with and you know, anchored
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with a methodology or or a mythology or a philosophy
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or some science that that you know in some quantum
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science as well. That really made sense of what was
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going on in that story? And then I started seeing
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a web developed and that web then became my safety net.
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we start seeing not only how they are not mundane,
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they are some juicy full story is worth writing. We
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can start saying, what was a live in me? What
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was going on in that moment? And that's our gift
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that makes up all of our beautiful parts. The wounds,
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the scars, the joys, all of our parts are beautiful
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when we can take the time and on wonder in
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the liminal space to see them.
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So what does it mean to call yourself a woman?
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Futurer to future a new paradigm is to know that
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we we were doing our work, but we're looking into
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the future, I should say, and we are looking into
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the future right, we're keeping our eye on what's ahead
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of us. And three rules of futuring. There's no blaming,
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there's no shaming, there's no victimizing. Right when my five
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year old child at the time threw a fit and
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treated me poorly, I didn't carry that on. I'm like, wait,
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I'm a mother here, I see what's going on. I'm
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here to love you back into wholeness. And that's what
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women who future do. Recognize our rules and responsibility as
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the biological woman who flows in the in the same
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system as the moon who bleeds just like the rivers flow.
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And when we stop that and we move into our crone,
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that let stays in our womb to nurture our wisdom.
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So when we see the nature of who we are
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and honor it with reference, then we will move this needle.
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A lot of your We're about out of time in
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this segment, but I've noticed you use I assume a
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lot of ceremony in what you do.
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I do, and I've never thought of myself as a
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ceremonious person. I love ceremony. I'm Jewish, and being Jewish
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there is ritual and a lot we like the candles.
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We you know, there are certain things that sanctify that moment.
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So it ceremony means lighting a candle, right and keeping
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water and having something to smell ding that's pleasurable.
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Well, fortunately we're going to have to talk about ceremony
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on the other side of a station break. Sandy and
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I will be right back to continue our discussion. Please
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stay right there. This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
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What are the in between spaces? This is Mission Evolution,
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Mission evolution dot org. With us discussing the power of
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liminal space is Sandyheart her website sandyheart dot com. Sandy,
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we were talking a little bit about ceremony, and through
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what you've said to me so far, I see whiffs of,
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if you will, the aroma of various different cultural ceremonies
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from Native America and you're talking about the Red Tans
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or the Red Lodge to all sorts of different ones.
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Have you drawn on all different uh traditions? And is
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that giving you the power to sit in the center
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of that liminal space?
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Oh? Absolutely Yeah. Ceremony brings us back to who we
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are and engages our body. It brings us our body
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to the table when we think when we're in that space,
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and that's what ceremony does. And ceremony is all about reverence.
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So when when you can truly have reverence for what
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you're doing, whether you're seek and you're you know, brushing
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your scriptures, if you are reading scriptures or whatever with
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the with this soft brush, or if you are you know,
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standing shoulder to shoulder like the like my Muslim brothers
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and sisters, do you know, to signify community and putting
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your forehead this yoga post, to put your yoga, your
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forehead to the floor, to just demonstrate your humility and
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reverence for earth and for for all living things. Whether
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it's lighting the Shabbat candles in my Jewish tradition, which
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Jewish women all over the world are doing, so it's
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going round the clock. We're all saying the same prayer
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at once. It takes five minutes maybe, or it could
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take a minute, you know, yes, absolutely, and especially the
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ancient traditions that our indigenous people have carried on in circle.
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They brought us circle, as did our you know, ancient
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grandmothers brought us circle. The first way forms of sitting,
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you know, unearthed by archaeologists dating back to early Mesopotamia.
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Our communities were a circle, and there were also no
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heads of the table. The chair was between the male
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and the female leaders were at the same height. So
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we have reverence for those symbols that just bring us
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deeper into who we are. And there's no right or
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wrong combination. So yes, all bring.
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Me meaning very beautiful. Can you describe a personal limital
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moment that deeply changed you.
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Yes. Chapter one, it's known as the What About the
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Dog is the title of the chapter. And in nineteen
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eighty two, I found myself at a a music festival,
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cause concert called Peace Sunday. It was a No Nuke's
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rally and music festival, and one hundred thousand people gathered
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at the Rose Bowl, which many people know if you
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watch football, is in Pasadying in California, and with stadium
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seating and everyone on the grass makes about a room
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for about one hundred thousand people, and it was packed
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and early on in the day, you know, we're all
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there for the music, right at least I was. I
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was twenty one years old at the time, nineteen eighty two,
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and I was there for the music, and you know,
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you know, there was something about this perhaps being my woodstock,
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but also being you know, my I was just on
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the other side. Too late too. It's born too late
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to be a hippie, and that was a I was
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a frustrated hippie. So that spoke to me too. About
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ten o'clock in the morning, before the program began, the
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MC came to the microphone and said, you know, it's
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going to be a hot day and somebody left their
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dog in the car, and if that's your dog and
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your car, go roll the window down. And you know,
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everybody kind of expressed booze and hushes or there's a
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hush around the crowd. But I couldn't unhear that. And
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so when I had a moment when I found a
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moment of silence between a speaker and the band, because
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that's how the day went. Speaker band, speaker band all
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the way through, and environmentalists and politicians and celebrities, Mike Ferrell,
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Jane Fonda, Yoko Ono. These are all the speakers that
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peppered in between the bands. As soon as there was
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a space between speaker and band, I started shouting, what
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about the dog? You know, I'm sitting stage left. I
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they'll hear me, for sure, over one hundred thousand people.
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But I realized I've got a chance, so they'll it'll
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be repetitive, and they'll hear what about the dog? Because
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I want to report back stat And you know, I
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got drowned out. And now my friends on the next time,
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the next turner, the next time around joined me, and
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then by noon and I was regentless and enchanting. I
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started every chance until it took a life of its own.
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The entire stadium by noon was chanting what about the dog?
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Every moment they could in between the spaces, and I
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realized in that moment, oh, there's something here. But it
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was seated in me. I didn't have I hadn't lived
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enough to know that. That was a moment for me
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until I started writing this story. And there's much more
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to that story to even get to douse here. But
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it was until about four o'clock that day. I was
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walking in from the concession stand and I heard it,
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and I'm like, wait, I didn't start this. I started something,
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but it wasn't that round of chanting, and it went
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until the MC had to make an announcement that the
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dog is fine, and that was only so mister Stevie
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Wonder could get five minutes of silence to pray, because
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they probably knew he won it. Anyway, that that then
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informed my psyche somewhere, my soul was rejoicing that finally
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there might be an outlet for my divine purpose, my
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sacred task here on this planet. And it did as
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soon as I started writing this book. And that was
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this first story that I realized, oh, what was anchoring me?
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There was and that was exactly the same time I
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heard the word liminal and I'm like, okay, what was
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going on? And that's how I, uh, that's how I
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wrote that book. It wrote me, It wrote me.
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What practical tools do you teach individuals or organizations to
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help them navigate liminal transitions?
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Yeah, there's a series, there's a process, and I use
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a lot of my compassion integrity training on secular ethic compassionate.
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It's trauma informed training, although I don't call that when
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I step into the room, but it does really tap
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into those spaces where we can start to question who
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we are, and we start with questioning assumptions. What assumptions
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do you carry through the day? And that's not something
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you can answer just the first time you hear it.
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You have to start paying attention and being willing to
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ask the question. And starting with certain practices, they start
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creating different neuropathways in our mind.
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Every day.
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If I ask myself, why am I flipping this light
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switch before going out of the room? Am I why
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am I getting in my car and doing these things
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that I'm doing? Some regular thing that you do every
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single day, set a president of practice, set a practice
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for it, and before you know it, that'll start cultivating
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different awareness centers will start firing off. It's like, why
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do I believe that? Why do I think I have
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to buy that product? Why do I watch TV commercials
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that tell me I'll be thin and prutty and smart
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if I buy their product. That's not right. We start
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to become more aware when we start paying attention to
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the patterns that we carry on in our life and
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we don't even know it. So I'll just say that
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I start with questioning assumptions.
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It's like taking yourself off autopilot. It sounds like it's
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exactly right.
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It's exactly right.
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So how does the moinality apply to larger scale societal
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changes such as climate justice, cultural division?
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I think every day every one of us, including every
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system on the planet, experiences limental spaces where there's a
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challenge and a choice right, and we all contribute up
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and down the scale from the from what happens in
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the home to what happens in the White House or
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any parliament or wherever you are in the world. It
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all begins like that gentleman from the United Nations says,
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it all begins here. That's how change happens. So we
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are in this incredible time. It's an incredible time to
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be alive right now. And I thank your listeners for
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tuning in to this conversation because there's something in them
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that says, ah, I have a role here to play.
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And that's true. We all have a role here to play.
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And this you know, the world is speeding up to
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with technology and now AI we don't know what to
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wrap our minds around. It's being manipulated in a lot
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of political spheres. Give them too much, give them too much,
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they won't know where to turn. And all this stuff
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can happen right let's face it, that's what's happening, especially
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here in the United States. So how do we say, ah,
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I'm stepping out of the noise, slowing down to the
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speed of onlander. What's going on? What's my role in it?
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And where do I find my center?
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How can creatives and media makers use liminality to influence
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culture in positive ways?
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Well they do. Liminal was a word that was really
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is really well understood in the world of photography. It's
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thought of. If you look up the definition of liminal
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you'll get a few different things. One would be it's
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a place of transition. If you ask a photographer what
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it means or an architect what it means, you'll get
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two more answers. To a photographer, these are artists, right.
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To a photographer, a liminal space is what you feel
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when you see a particular picture, see a picture of
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a shipyard. A shipyard, for example, immediately evokes a series
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of you already know exactly what that space is all
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around it, and what it means to be there, what
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it smells like. You can probably almost get the taste
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of metal in your mouth. You know. That's what liminal
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means to a photographer, right, The emotions, the feelings that
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the space between your eyes seeing the picture and what
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it brings back to you, and what that means to you.
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To an architect, and there's a bigger field of discussion
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and even different language around this is the space where
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they're creating movement, right, and whether they're creating how a
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home with a stairwell which is a transitionary place, right,
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or a hallway and how it's lived within, or a
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public park or a shop out of a shopping center,
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to see how do people move in this space? How
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do we create community in this space? How do we
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have the right lighting in these different places? So liminal
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really means what we do with the space that we've got.
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How do you integrate the concept of seven generations thinking
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into your work?
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Everything? What am I doing today that's going to affect
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seven generations? Period? That's it.
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Do you know where the term or the concept of
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the seventh generation comes from?
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Comes from our indigenous elders. Yeah, it's definitely a construct
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of their cultures. Yeah, I think it's a I do believe,
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and I am actually you know, I sound like a colonizer.
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That's a question for an indigenous person. But that's where
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I learned it, and I do believe. It transcends all traditions,
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all different nations.
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All the amazing treasures one can find there right.
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Oh yes, the earth based, Earth based traditions are all
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foundational to the patterns of the cosmos and to the
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dirt and what's below it and everything in between. The
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winged ones, the thin ones, four legged as, two legged,
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the trees, everything is part of the human family.
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What keeps you grounded is your work gains recognition and awards.
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Oh well, at first it was humility because I was
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getting a little full of myself. I was like, oh,
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well look at me, Look what I can do. And
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I'm like, oh no, there's And then I learned how
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much I didn't know. And every day I learned how
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much I don't know. So I just see in that
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on wonder and what keeps me grounded on my sisters,
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my circles. I thrive on being in women's circles, and
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I'm in all kinds of different circles having different conversations.
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Well it's that magic moment again. We've taken up the
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station break, but please stay with us. Is Sandy and
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I explore cross culture collaboration. This is Mission Evolution www
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dot Mission evolution dot org. Can we transcend religious divides?
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This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. We're continuing
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our discussion with Sandyheart. Sandy, how do you encourage collaboration
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across cultural, generational or religious divides?
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You know, my work has moved out of the community based,
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you know, interfaith community building, and what we've done before
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is bring people together. The question is are they willing
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to sit at the table. And I will tell you
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that what I discovered after nearly two years of interfaith
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community building at the grassroots where I'm in the room
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from where it happened, I discovered it isn't religion that
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divides us. What it is is nationalism and the rigid
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edges of religion that are manipulated if you will to
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have us believe that we are divided, right for power
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for my way right and there at last I look,
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there were eight point one five billion people on the planet,
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but that was a while ago. And while there's a
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finite amount of faith traditions and definitely a smaller more
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world religions collection of belief systems, there are infinite ways
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of living and being in that faith. So I am
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informed by all of those things we talked about, Right,
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I have all these life experiences and all these you know,
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I've learned from so many different perspectives and experiences that
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have happened to me. So how I'm going to address
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my faith tradition is going to be different than another
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Jewish person sitting right next to me, even if they
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were born on the same day as me. We have
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a different way of seeing the world, and we have
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different life experiences. So yet, if your conversation is about
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the survival of a religion which is due to nationalism
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or a form of manipulation that causes conflict, genocide. You know,
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then that's a completely different room. That's a whole different conversation.
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Faith traditions, who people who really I've discovered that those
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who really understand their faith and it applies to them
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in a way of love and not fear, then it's
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an easy conversation to have. The difficult dialogues are when
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it's about conflict, war, division, lines in the sand.
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So with your exposure it's all sorts of different faith
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traditions and religions. Have you found they have more in
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common than not totally?
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You know the golden rule which I mentioned a few times,
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Now do unto others as they would have done unto you.
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Every faith tradition the world, religions right, those that are
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commonly known, from Sikhism to Islam, to Judaism, to Christianity
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to the high of Buddhism and so on, including indigenous,
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they have a golden rule too as well. The Indigenous
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isn't necessarily spoken and it's felt out a little differently actually,
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but they all have the same unto the idea as
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I would do under myself you know, for an example, right,
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But they all, you know, they just rearrange the words
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so that we all share that construct of I am
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my beloved, and my beloved is mine and you are
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my beloved.
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What upcoming project initiative are you most excited about right now?
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Yeah, the Global Women's Village is working on a global
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conference and I'm referring to it as an unconference. It's
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a convening of women that was inspired because all those
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women tugging on our sleeves or grabbing my shoulders and saying,
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we need our own conference, we need our own convenient,
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we need this in our own space. Right. One thing
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I hadn't said yet about that configuration of building a
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village and what the greatest inspiration was is that the
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world's religions, the rigid edges of world's religions, dating back
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to the the written word, have been responsible for perpetuating
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systems of domination otherwise known as patriarchy, and women contribute
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to that too. So this isn't a man bashing moment.
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There's never a man bashing moment in my world, but
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this is not one of them, for sure. And so
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here in the middle of the world's religions. We put
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a village for women and men, designed by women. There
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was something significant there and that is what I think
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alchemized the air. So that's what we've got coming up.
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It's called Destiny Ignited and you can stay tuned by
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joining our newsletter at Global Women's Village Network. Yeah, it's
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come in November twenty twenty six. We're waiting for our
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first run to funding, so bring it on.
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That is exciting. What question would you ask your future
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self about the impact of your work?
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Not a great question, That's a good question to ask
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it because it helps me chart my path. What have
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I learned? There? It is what have I learned? But
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good question?
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How can listeners begin to recognize limital opportunities in their
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own daily lives?
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Awareness their every day, between every breath, between a crisis
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and action, the limit and choice. Question and answer. There's
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never a moment I mean, and there's never a moment
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where not we don't have these opportunities. A liminal space
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can be a hot second, or it can be thirty years.
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And I have some stories in there, that one which
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demonstrates how things happen over a course of thirty years
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that did not dawn on me until I was writing it. So,
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like I said, l it wrote me. So yeah, it's
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that practice, that awareness, practice awareness with that little, with
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that little those steps I gave you earlier.
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The it seems like you know, when you're talking about
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the liminal space, it's that space between, like you said,
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thought and action, et cetera, et cetera. How can we
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maximize that? How can we take advantage of it? Because
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we tend to right over the top of it and
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never take that moment. How how can we how can
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we take advantage of it?
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Well, we have full agency over what we do, right,
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I mean we might be we might be confined by
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it or you know, restricted by time we have to
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get to work, But that doesn't mean we have to
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stop thinking about what what we're stepping over. Right, stay
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with it, government, journal about it. You'll be surprised what
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comes out of the bottom of your pen, the end
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of your pen. I'll tell you. I've grabbed my head
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a few times with where did that come from? So?
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How do we make the most of it? And I
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love that question because I'm all about making the most
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of everything. It's just like unpacking it, unpack it, keep
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asking yourself questions about it, Well, why do you think
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that is? Where did that come from? What prevented me
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from doing that in the first place? Yeah, stay with it,
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breathe into it. Yeah.
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So when we're in one of those liminal spaces and
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we're getting new information, where is it coming from?
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That's another great question. And I don't know that anybody knows.
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It can be spirit, it can be your womb, it
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could be your heart, it could be your soul. I
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have a perspective that it's my soul talking to me.
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And I also have the perspective that my soul's purpose
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is to be free, and it will only be free
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when I have learned all my lessons on the and
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I am on the other side whenever that might be. So,
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I I don't know where we're going, but I know
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we're on our way. I say this all the time.
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I don't want to poison the water hole when I
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get there. What can I do to clean up my act?
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What can I do to look at the baggage I
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might be bringing with me and I don't want to
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do that. What can I heal today?
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Yeah?
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And what happens is it just turns into this joy
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ride and I do a course on liminality which I
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refer to it as a joy ride into the liminality
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of your life.
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Yeah, if you have a vision of what the world
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would look like if more of us take time in
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that in between space, what would it be?
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I think it would be a beloved community. I think
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it would be the beloved community where everyone takes what
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they need and there's enough for everyone and the world
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works for everyone. It's important to say here that fear
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is a primary motivator in our lives today. So how
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do we are? We motivated from love? And to understand,
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fear is nothing more than love of something we are protecting.
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So there really is no fear, It's just love that
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needs a little more attention.
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Can fear exist in those liminal spaces?
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It does exist in those liminal spaces until we realize it,
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until we love it back into wholeness, and that wholeness
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is love. We take it, we start pulling it apart,
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making a bite size What am I really afraid of here?
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Where did that come from? Who taught me that? No
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victimizing here? But let's learn from it. Okay, I've got agency.
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Personal agency is the answer.
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Yeah, do you see victimization or self victimization is a
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major problem in staying keeping us from staying in that
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liminal space and getting the info there.
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Yeah, it's really easy to blame someone, so we really
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don't have to take the time. There's a certain comfort
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level and just whoa, it's me And in the end,
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man did this to women? And you know and no, darling, no,
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we've we are the divine feminine embodied we birth life.
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We've we we are the healers and the nurtures and
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the keepers of life and the keepers of tradition. And men.
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We need our men and they contribute greally.
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For generations. In the indigenous cultures, there were matriarchal societies.
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What do you see is the advantage of matriarchal society
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that we're missing?
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Well, I think that I'm not. I don't propose that
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we move into a matriarchal society because that takes us
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back out of balance. Right. We need a system of partnership, right,
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and there is an entire system of partnership scaffolding. There's
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there's visit doctor Leon Eisler, E I s L E R.
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Or reach out to me and I will I will
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put you in touch with that and then direct you
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to what it means for a system of partnership to
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thrive that she is the architect of. And we're also
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speaking this Friday on a call nice.
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It's that time, Sandy, when I have to ask you,
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what's your mission.
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To future a new paradigm? Simple as that, Yeah, and
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to be a good mom and grandmother.
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Being the elder. That's a challenge, isn't it.
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It is, and that's why it's so important that we
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remember it. And then it's not a challenge anymore. Then
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you just know who you are.
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Well, it's been absolutely wonderful having you on the show.
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Unfortunately we are out of time, but Sandy, thank you
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so much for being here and during your wisdom.
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It was a delight. Thank you so much for having
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me and asking such great questions.
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My pleasure, our thanks to Sandyheart for an inspiring and
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profoundly insightful conversation. Her workman reminds us that real change
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doesn't happen in moments of certainty. It happens in the unknown,
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the unseen, and the unclaimed spaces between what is and
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what will be. To learn more about Sandy's book, upcoming programs,
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or the Global Women's Village visit sandyheart dot com. Until
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next time, may you walk boldly through your own liminal
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spaces and discover the transformation waiting on the other side.
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As always, thank you for joining us on Mission Evolution
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with Gildoviyeka. For more information or to enjoy our past
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archived episodes, visit www Mission evolution dot org. But please
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be sure to join us right here next time, as
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this mission will continue bringing in information, resources and support
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to our evolving world.