Weird Haunted Nashville - PLUS - Childhood Fears Real and Imagnary

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton.
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Hello, friends. Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back. Once again, Everything
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Out There. I'm Steve Stockton here on the Clyde Lewis
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Ground Zero Radio Network. And joining me today, you might
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know her from Nevaeh's Nightmare YouTube channel, Nevaeh herself. Nevaeh,
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come on in.
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Hello, I'm Nevaeh.
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Hey there, how you doing? Yeah, you've got some good
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stuff over there. I've been reusing some of you got
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36 videos, I think, so far. And you tend to go,
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like it says, nightmare, nightmare fuel, a little bit of
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everything over there. But it's a good, healthy mix of
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everything spooky. Just start out here. Introduce yourself. Tell us
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where you're from, how you got into all this, and
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where you're headed with everything.
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Yeah.
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My name's Nevaeh. I'm from Nashville. I'm from Nashville, Tennessee.
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I'm also from a little bit everywhere in Tennessee.
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I don't know.
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I've always been into the strange. My dad is a
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strange fellow. My mom's a strange character. So both of
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them just kind of introduced me to a little bit
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of the weird stuff, a little bit more of the
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dark side. Yeah, just as I got older, I had
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paranormal experiences. I watched a bunch of paranormal stuff. I
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was interested in strange, weird things that 10-year-old probably shouldn't
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be interested in like Ghost, but I was interested in it.
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One day, I was just asked if I want to
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start a YouTube channel by my friend. And I was like, Yeah.
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So I started a YouTube channel. I'm in school. I'm
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in college to be a funeral director and an embalmer.
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That's kind of my passion. I want to help people.
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I want to spread information.
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Yeah.
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And I like history and I like people and I
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like things that individuals have gone through. And YouTube is
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kind of a way to talk about things that people
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have experienced. And with funeral directing, I can help people
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who are going through a really hard time and I
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can help their families and help them.
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Things.
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But yeah, I just want to spread as much information
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and knowledge as I have, because I have a lot
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of knowledge about a lot of weird things.
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Well, and those are good things to have. And mortuary sciences,
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holy Moses, that's a big no for me. I just,
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I couldn't do that. But if you've got the stomach
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for it and you, for lack of a better phrase,
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enjoy it, then I mean, it's always something that's going
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to be needed. That's inflation proof. I had a An
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old gentleman told me years and years ago, he said,
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the two most inflation-proof businesses you can be in that
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will never fail, open a funeral home and a liquor store,
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and you'll be set. People are always going to die.
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And good times, people are going to drink. Hard times,
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people are going to drink. And if they drink enough,
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they'll end up in the funeral home. So there you go.
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You're getting it from both sides. Yeah, I just I
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couldn't handle that. Now, I took a little bit of
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forensic studies. I went to the University of Tennessee and
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he's retired now. But Dr. Bill Bass was one of
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my professors and he started the body farm.
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Oh, yes.
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I actually went on a field trip. to that body
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farm I was wondering how I knew the name bass
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because I was like I recognize that name I actually
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went there on a field trip my school is very
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they want to take you to everything yeah I've been
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there he is a very smart smart man he did
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a lot of really good things he also taught us
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a lot of things about decomposition he taught us a
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lot of things about the human body after we pass
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away and we wouldn't know a lot if it wasn't
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for him.
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I can still remember going out there. It's over on
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the other side of the river down by UT Hospital there.
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It was in the fall, but it was a hot day.
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The smell just, you know, you could smell it from
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before you even got close to it. And they passed
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around a jar of Vicks and we all stuck wads
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of Vicks in our nose and smeared it across their
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upper lip, but it still didn't get that stench of death.
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And if I close my eyes and think real hard,
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I can still remember what that smells like. But yeah,
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they're doing a service there. I mean, they put bodies
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in all kinds of, configurations in the trunks of cars
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and shallow graves under pieces of plywood. And then they
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study the insects and predation and things like that. So
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that way, when they find a body somewhere, they can
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get a closer estimate of how long it's been there
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and things like that. So hats off to Dr. Bass
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for what he did there. And he was the first
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one to do that. There's other body farms around the
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country now, but That took some guts and fortitude there
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to do that. But he came up with some other
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things that I can't remember right off the bat. There's
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something to do with superglue and fingerprints, but I can't remember. Yeah.
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Taking fingerprints off corpses or something like that.
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He had also learned, he was the person that discovered
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how far a specific type of fly would fly.
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To a deceased person. He did this study that had like,
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over a billion of these flies. And I don't remember
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this breed of fly, but he had painted them like
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a bright color and he tracked them and they had
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flown all across the world just to land on decomposing people.
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And I think the furthest one had like circled half
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of the country or something like that. It was insane,
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but he was the one that had tracked that these
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flies will go out of their way to hunt for decomposition.
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That's amazing to have that kind of dedication to something
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like that. I mean, he was a little strange. I
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just don't know what his private life was like, but
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he was a character I enjoyed. any time spent with
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dr bass i don't know if he's still alive i
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know he's retired but i haven't seen him in a
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lot of years but.
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He's sadly not if i was a couple years older
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and had went to the school a little bit sooner
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i could have received lectures by him because even in
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his retirement he was still doing things for my school
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and he just he passed away oh bless his.
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Heart rest in peace dr bass hopefully they didn't put
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him out there in the body farm yeah let's hope
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not Although that's how they get those corpses. That's people
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that have donated their body to science, so to speak,
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and to the betterment of others. But not for me.
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I don't even want to be put in the ground
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or cremated. I can't imagine being just tossed out in
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the woods and left with the blood flies or black
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flies or whatever they are to get a hold of me.
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Decidedly dark turn there, but I didn't expect any less
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of it. Sorry. The content that you have on your
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YouTube channel. No, that's why it's called Everything Out There. Literally,
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I cover everything out there, but emphasis on the dark
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and spooky and the mysterious. So you're there in Nashville.
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I spent some time there. I grew up in East Tennessee, Knoxville,
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Oak Ridge area, but used to travel to Nashville quite
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a bit. There's a lot of spooky stuff down there.
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I've been to the Bell Witch Cave in Adams. I've
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been there many times. What else is haunted in Nashville?
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I can think of the Ryman Auditorium. I've been there.
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I've only been to the Ryman to see people perform.
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Yeah, it's a strange place. It used to be a
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church and the home of the Grand Ole Opry for
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years and years. It's But it's got that place. It's
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got that reverence. And I've yet to be in any
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theater that's not haunted to some degree, some more so
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than others. The Bijou there in Knoxville, it's haunted. The
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Tennessee Theater just across the street from it, it's haunted.
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Where I'm at here in New England now, there's all
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kinds of everything haunted, but the theater's in there. I'm
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not sure what it is about the theater, but I
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think it's people in there and in the process of acting,
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you're going through the whole range of emotions, even though
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it's an affectation. And I think that leaves some kind
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of imprint or something on the area there.
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Oh, yeah.
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I am not 100% certain of all the haunted spots
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in Nashville because I really grew up in a little
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town called Crossville. You probably know where it is.
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Oh, I've been there. My parents used to have a
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timeshare in Crossville over at Lake Tansy. Oh, yeah.
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So do you know where Ozone Falls is?
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Yeah, I've been up to Ozone. I've heard stories. Ozone is... Yeah,
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tell us about Ozone.
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Oof, okay. Okay, so you've been to Ozone Falls. You
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know when, like, that little street up the side that
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goes straight up the mountain and it's just, like, a
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little bitty town?
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Yeah.
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That little bitty town is filled with nothing but my
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family in one way, shape, or form. Everyone there is
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related somehow or married into the family somehow. Pretty much
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everyone up there is like hillbilly down to the core.
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There's a little bitty church that has been there for
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God knows how long. There's the falls that's been there
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for years. There's the etching on the walls behind the
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waterfall that there's literally no way to get up to.
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There's all sorts of stuff. It's a crazy place. The
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woods are scary. Everything up there is scary, especially if
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it's at night. If it's at night, I was told
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by all sorts of people in the town, you know,
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don't go outside. If you go outside, don't leave the porch.
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Don't go do this. Don't talk about this. Don't do this.
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It's one of those towns that you hear stories about
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old Southern people. And then you get there and you're like, oh,
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it's just a quaint little town. And then it's nighttime
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and you want to leave.
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Yeah, I've been in a lot of places like that
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in East Tennessee and Southeastern Kentucky and West Virginia and
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up through Shenandoah and all those places. And in fact,
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on my Tales Untold YouTube channel, I've been running stories
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over there about legends of feral people back in some
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of those hills and hollers. Now I'd heard it about
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the Smokies growing up. My grandmother on my mother's side,
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she was born in Cades Cove in 1890, I want
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to say, lived in that area way before it was
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a national park. And she had stories of things like
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that in the woods. She didn't talk about feral people,
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but they called them wild men and woolly buggers and
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run-atches and stuff like that. There's all kinds of legends.
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And it seems like every little hill and holler has
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some kind of haunt in it. In fact, that's one
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of the things she used to say. There's a haunt
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to every holler, but don't get caught out after dark.
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That was the big thing. There are places that you
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could go if you were careful, but when the sun
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started to set, you needed to get out of there.
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And I can attest to that. I've been in some
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places in the Smokies and then in extreme northeastern Tennessee
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up around Mountain City. and some of those places that
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yeah you don't want to fool around back there and
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there are people you know that doing whatever used to
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be moonshiners and things like that and then pot growers
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and now it's probably uh meth cookers but there's places
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where there's a human element that's nefarious let alone the
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supernatural and the scary side of stuff and um Copperhead Road,
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I know you've heard that song by Steve Earle. I
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used to live not too far from where the real
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Copperhead Road was. That's a real place and based on
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a real story. They had to change the name of
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it to, I can't remember what it's called now, because
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people kept stealing that Copperhead Road sign. But I was
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looking here. There's all kinds of stuff in Nashville. The
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state capitol is supposed to be haunted. The Hermitage, former
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home of President Andrew Jackson. I've been there. That's a
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scary one. Yeah, go ahead.
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Printer's alley is like it's at nighttime it's real pretty
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but if you go at night and there's like no
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one walking there's no one anywhere it's to the point
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where it feels so empty that you won't even see
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homeless people on printer's alley and i go down printer's
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alley on the way to my school every single day
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my school is right beside printer's alley it's right there
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so like I'm there all the time. And if I'm
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ever going to my friend's house after school and I
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left my car at school and then I'm on my
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way home from school and it's a Tuesday night, there's
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nothing going on. It's 2 or 3 a.m. Every single
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store is closed. Every single bar is closed. It's like
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a ghost town, but it's just the one road. The
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second you get off Printer's Alley off Church Street, you're fine.
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The second you're off that little section of the road,
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it's like, oh, I don't feel this way anymore. I
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don't feel like it's a ghost town anymore. Now I'm
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just in Nashville and it's night.
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Yeah, I can attest to that. I've been down there.
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And there's a particular place there in Printer's Alley that's
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supposedly really haunted. I think that's Printer's Alley. It's on
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Broadway anyway. The Skulls Rainbow Room. Have you ever been there?
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No, but I pass it every day.
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Yeah, it's just notorious for some of the stuff that's
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happened there. It just... All kinds of paranormal activity. They've
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even got a phantom poodle there. I'd like to see that.
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But I've been there a while. It was later frequented
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by both Elvis and Johnny Cash. It was a strip
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club for a while, a jazz hall, speakeasy. A lot
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of people have played there. Etta James, Patsy Cline, Paul McCartney,
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Bob Dylan even. so there's with a legacy like that
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you know how could it not be haunted so.
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I keep getting um these ads on instagram for a
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speakeasy that's currently in nashville but i can't figure out
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where it's at it keeps giving me like directions but
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then the directions just stop at an alley and you
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have to figure out how to get into the speakeasy
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and it's like Supposed to be one of those creepy
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ones where it's supposedly haunted and like that's the whole
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attraction of it. But I don't know how to get
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to it.
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I've tried.
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I can't figure it out.
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There's a door and a guy opens a little slot
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there and you got to give him the password to
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get in.
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I don't even know.
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There was one like that in Portland. It didn't even
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look like there was anything in there, but you had
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to know what night and what time it was in operation.
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And then there was a certain knock and then a
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little thing would open and you had to give them
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the password for that. I think it's a weekly basis
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and password for that week. Then they'd usher you through
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a couple of different doors. And then there was an
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actual speakeasy in it. It was legal and licensed and everything,
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but kind of a throwback to the days when they
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were a hidden thing. And a lot of people that
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went in the front door went out the back in
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a box, per se, or don't tell them what. But
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Nashville kind of has a history of stuff like that,
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especially in certain places. It was a rough and tumble
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town at one time.
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Oh, yeah.
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If you drive through Nashville, even just to drive around
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and sightsee... around every corner, you're going to see a
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sign that says, this is a historical building. This is
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a historical building. This is a historical building. They're everywhere.
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And there's gorgeous architecture in Nashville that's been around for years.
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And those buildings are considered historical buildings. And they're just empty.
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They're abandoned. And if they're not abandoned, someone has bought
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them and they've done nothing with the building. There's just
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these gorgeous historical buildings that no one's doing anything with
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or they've turned them into sectional buildings and only one
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part of the building is a store and the rest
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of it is empty but like those ones the ones
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like that i could really see being haunted but you
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wouldn't know unless you worked at the store the singular
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store in one room that's out of six rooms in
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a building.
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Yeah, that's creepy to think about. And a lot of those,
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probably the people that work there have no idea of
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the history of some of those places and all the
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evil things that have gone on there, in addition to
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not so evil things. But it's, so there's a reputation there.
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And there's places just outside of Nashville that's got that
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eerie feeling too. I remember once I was, I remember
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where I was headed that time. Back in the 80s,
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there was a, a punk club that we used to
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go to down there. We'd travel from Knoxville. It's called
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the Antenna Club. It's probably long gone, but there were
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a lot of good punk bands played there that didn't
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make it up to Knoxville. So we'd go down there
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on the weekends. But that drive down, I don't remember
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exactly where it was, but there's places out there where
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you drive through and it's about out in the country.
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And there's these old stone walls that were built by slaves.
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I don't know. I know they tried to preserve some
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of them, but I don't know if they're, I mean,
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that's been 40-something years ago, so. That was just an
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eerie feeling to see some of those walls and to
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think about the toil and sweat and blood that went
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into those.
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There's anywhere really that's not in central city if you
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go anywhere in the woods you'll find some remnants of
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history somewhere even if you don't realize it's a piece
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of history my boyfriend lives in the middle of woods
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in a town outside of nashville and we were just
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outside in the creek and we had seen like we
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were digging through some of the rocks in the water
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and we had found a bridge that had who knows
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been down there for how long, who knows when it fell.
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It wasn't there when the house was bought. It wasn't
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there any pictures of the house when the house was built.
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So it's just remnants of history of like people were
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there doing things to make their life better or to
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make their life worse. And we have no idea of
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it other than the little fragments that's left from time
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being preserved or the people trying to preserve it.
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Yeah. And that's, That's one thing I appreciate about here
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in New England. There's a sense of preservation, and there's
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so much history here. I mean, there's houses. One that
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we looked at was built in, I think, 1772, 1774,
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before the War of Independence and all that, or when
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it was going on, before the Declaration of Independence. And
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I really like being around that kind of history. And
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it's that way here, too. There's so many historical spots,
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you know, with those plaques and Tell you what, George Washington,
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I don't know how he got any fighting done because
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he slept everywhere. There's so many places up here that
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have it look like, you know, George Washington slept here and, uh,
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he got around those. One of those, I mean, I'm
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sure there's not any provenance or anything. It's not like
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he signed the guest register or anything, but you wonder
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about some of those, but, um, I love the history,
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but I love the history there in middle Tennessee too.
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There's just so many eerie places. And, um, A lot
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of local legends and urban legends and things in the
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different parts of the state. But in particular, I think
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there's probably more going on in middle Tennessee. And like
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over there, Crossville, that area, Oneida, Jamestown, Ventress County, and
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General Cumberland County. Miranda Young that owns the Historic Scott
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County Jail and Museum, I had her on. couple weeks
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ago it's haunted and they do haunted tours and and
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ghost hunts and things like that do you ever participate
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in those kind of things you ever speak at uh
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conventions or go on these overnight ghost hunts or anything like.
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That i've never been on like an official ghost hunt
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a couple years ago i had a group of friends
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and we would go to like a couple of abandoned
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places and pretend to ghost hunt and we only really
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had one interaction where it was like, oh, okay, we
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can consider this a ghost hunting experience, but the other
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times was really just us messing around. So no, I've
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never really been on an official ghost hunt. I've never
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spoken anywhere, but I am going to be speaking at
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the convention that's coming up in November.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, November, November 1st. It's the Conspiranormal Convention, or not Conspiranormal,
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Strange realities convention. Sorry, I couldn't. I was blinking for
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a second. That's the first place that I'm going to
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be actually holding any sort of presentation. It's going to
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be there at the strange realities convention.
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Yeah, I spoke at that. I don't remember what year
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it was. 2020, I think, maybe 2021. But I did
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it remotely. That was when COVID and all that mess
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was going on. And I had a good time. I
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had a talk about, I drew parallels with missing people, Bigfoot, UFOs.
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cargo cults and something else. There's a whole mess of stuff.
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But I either did really, really good or didn't do
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worth crap because Adam over there didn't bring me back.
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Maybe you'll have me back this year. We'll see. But
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I had a good time anyway, even doing it remotely.
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I'm excited.
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This is fun for you. What are you going to
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talk about? Just you don't have to give it away
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because we want people to tune in and listen to it.
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But have you got something in mind?
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I'm really excited to talk about what I'm talking about. Because,
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like I said, I'm very passionate about the thing I'm
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going to school for. I'm very passionate about my job.
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I'm very passionate about helping people. But I'm also extremely
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passionate about the history behind it. And I'm not going
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to be just like, you know, info dumping at a
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paranormal convention. I'm going to be talking about the things
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that Victorians did for their mourning and funeral customs. Because
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as we all know, Victorians were Victorians. We call them
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that for a reason. They did things very different and
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they documented their funeral practices differently. to a T and
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they did things very, very different than we did. And
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they also buried in the sense of they were scared
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of coming back from the dead or they were scared
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of being alive when they were buried or, you know,
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other things that they buried people and did their funeral
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customs with paranormal stuff in mind. So I want to
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talk about that. And I think it's something that a
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lot of people don't realize that they could have interest in.
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Yeah. And you're right there. Their funerary customs were just,
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amazing and they did all the photography and things i've
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seen some of the corpse photography that they did when
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the person was actually deceased uh the photographer had like
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a i don't even know what you would call it
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some kind of armature that he could uh hook onto
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the person or in their clothes or whatever and then
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pose the body different ways they gather the relatives around
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have them pose with the deceased and yeah it was
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like they were just sitting there in a chair because
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i've done that i've looked at pictures from that era
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and thought, wait a minute, at least one of these
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people is deceased in this photo.
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Well, it's also real hard to tell because a lot
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of times families would take the photos and they didn't,
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they would take the photos with intent to give it
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to their other family members and they didn't want their
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other family members to know that this person was dead yet.
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It was, most of the time it was, this was
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They didn't get a last family photo. So they're taking
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this last family photo and they don't want the person
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to look dead. So a lot of times it's really
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hard to figure out whether or not the person is
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actually dead in the photo because you can't tell. They're
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not great image quality. They took the photos on like
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these big box cameras. Yes, most of them you can
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tell depending on the state of the deceased, but a
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lot of them You really can't unless it says.
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If it.
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Says something about a decedent being somewhere on the photo,
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then you can tell. But if you're just looking at
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a photo, you have no indication of anyone was dead.
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You can't really tell unless something was wrong with them.
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Yeah, and they got really good and elaborate with some
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of those posing schemes too, I noticed. I went back
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and looked at a lot of photos that I'd already
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seen and then Once you kind of know what you're
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looking for, you can pick the decedents out in some
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of those. But frightening. And what you were saying about
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sometimes they take the picture and send it to family
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members that didn't know the person was dead yet. Like, oh,
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here's Uncle Ed at the family picnic. Oh, by the way,
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he's dead. You know, that's kind of creepy.
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Yeah, but that's also what they did. The Victorians were different.
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They were a different breed of people. That's just how
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they did it. And even as an embalmer and... seeing,
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you know, decedents all the time, I still have a
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hard time just because the photo quality is so bad.
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If they do their makeup really well, even at the time,
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you know, people could do makeup if they had the
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stuff they needed. They could make them look good. That
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was their job. And they loved their loved ones. So
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they wanted them to look the same. And it's just
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the camera quality was bad. So even me, I can't
480
00:23:41.390 --> 00:23:44.730
really tell. Sometimes I'll go to like thrift stores and
481
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And I'll find like a little box that's filled with
482
00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:50.019
vintage photos and I'll look through them and I'll look
483
00:23:50.059 --> 00:23:53.160
to see if anyone's deceased and I can't tell. And
484
00:23:53.369 --> 00:23:57.150
it's just like, okay, well, this person looks off, but
485
00:23:57.670 --> 00:23:59.910
are they alive or dead? Like, is their eye look
486
00:23:59.950 --> 00:24:03.349
like that because they're living or because they're dead?
487
00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:07.890
I don't know. Yeah, good point. But a lot of
488
00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:09.960
those customs, and you mentioned, you know, how they were
489
00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:14.150
obsessed with premature burials and things like that. And that's
490
00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:17.289
where a dead ringer, where that phrase comes from, the
491
00:24:17.509 --> 00:24:21.049
people that could afford it, they would attach a bell
492
00:24:21.109 --> 00:24:23.529
somewhere in the cemetery tied to a string that went
493
00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:26.859
down into the coffin. And if the person came to
494
00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:29.240
their coffin, they could pull that string and ring the bell.
495
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.319
If you're ever in Nashville again, you need to visit
496
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the Mount Olive Cemetery again. because I can't think of
497
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.960
the cemetery that's directly beside it, but it's a Catholic cemetery.
498
00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:44.410
And over the wall on the Catholic side, beside Mount Olive,
499
00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:47.109
they have a cemetery that has one of the bells.
500
00:24:47.589 --> 00:24:51.170
It was a bishop or something. They were buried, and
501
00:24:51.269 --> 00:24:54.390
they have one of the little bell ringer things, because
502
00:24:54.410 --> 00:24:57.029
I guess he thought he was going to be buried alive. So,
503
00:24:57.269 --> 00:24:58.890
if you're ever in Nashville, and you want to see
504
00:24:58.930 --> 00:24:59.910
it in person, it's there.
505
00:24:59.930 --> 00:25:02.630
Yeah, the next time I head down that way, I'll
506
00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:04.710
have to check it out. My wife has never been
507
00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:07.529
to Tennessee, so we've got a trip planned, but, uh,
508
00:25:08.309 --> 00:25:10.269
now we've had to kind of delay things because of
509
00:25:10.309 --> 00:25:13.230
the arrival of the baby. He'll be here allegedly on
510
00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:15.509
the 8th of September, but he'll be here when he,
511
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.339
whenever he gets ready. But, uh, and that the same
512
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:21.140
as the graveyard shift, that's where that term came from.
513
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.920
They'd have to hire somebody to sit in the graveyard
514
00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.940
and listen for that bell overnight.
515
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.009
To make sure no one stole the bodies.
516
00:25:28.289 --> 00:25:32.230
Yeah. That was another thing too. Um, there was a
517
00:25:32.589 --> 00:25:35.900
lot of that that went on, uh, There in Knoxville,
518
00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:39.460
there was a case, and I can't remember the doctor's name,
519
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:44.170
that kind of galvanized the public there. He was trying
520
00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:47.329
to reanimate corpses. I mean, we're talking about probably the
521
00:25:47.390 --> 00:25:53.599
inspiration for Lovecraft's Herbert West. This guy was supposedly buying them,
522
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:55.980
you know, but I think he was buying them from
523
00:25:56.259 --> 00:25:58.579
resurrection men, you know, that would go around and dig
524
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.500
them up and then peddle them. And he was trying
525
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.079
to reanimate corpses there in Knoxville. There's been a lot
526
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.759
of stuff written about it. And I'm not sure, I
527
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.200
believe it was the same doctor that there at Eastern
528
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.500
State Mental Hospital. It was something else at the time.
529
00:26:17.369 --> 00:26:20.769
That was the first place, I think in Tennessee, maybe
530
00:26:20.789 --> 00:26:25.210
in the country, the site of the first successful lobotomy.
531
00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:30.089
Now let that phrase sit in, the first successful lobotomy. that,
532
00:26:30.190 --> 00:26:32.029
that puts me in the mind of thinking, well, how
533
00:26:32.069 --> 00:26:35.470
many weren't successful and what happened to those poor people? So.
534
00:26:35.890 --> 00:26:36.410
Yeah.
535
00:26:36.529 --> 00:26:40.019
Not only that, what exactly is a successful lobotomy?
536
00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:44.819
If the patient lived, that would be, that would count
537
00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:48.660
as a success for me. But, uh, supposedly the, if
538
00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:51.640
you follow that line of thinking that there's certain mental
539
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:54.529
illnesses that can be cured by removing the part of
540
00:26:54.569 --> 00:26:59.089
the brain that, uh, that controls those impulses or habits
541
00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:01.490
or what have you, but scary to think about. I
542
00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:03.890
think we've advanced beyond that a little bit, but I
543
00:27:03.910 --> 00:27:06.369
don't know if they still give people lobotomies or not,
544
00:27:06.410 --> 00:27:10.140
but that's just a frightening thought that you had hundreds
545
00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:14.279
of people in this, what they call an insane asylum and,
546
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.609
and people that they were basically just experimenting on. That's again,
547
00:27:19.690 --> 00:27:20.529
a scary thought.
548
00:27:20.950 --> 00:27:24.779
There's a multitude of people in history that have received lobotomies.
549
00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:27.119
One of the Kennedys had received a lobotomy. One of
550
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.299
the I can't think of her name off the top
551
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:34.259
of my head. She had received a lobotomy. And back then,
552
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.819
people really did just think if you removed a part
553
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.799
of the brain that caused the disorder because they knew
554
00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:42.160
on a surface level what the brain did. We still
555
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.960
don't even fully know what the brain does. But we
556
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.400
now know you can't remove a part of the brain
557
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.509
because even though that one part of the brain controls this.
558
00:27:50.990 --> 00:27:53.799
that part of the brain also controls 50 other things.
559
00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:55.789
So you can't just remove it.
560
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.279
Yeah. And they've also found like in people that have
561
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.259
had brain damage and things that the brain will rewire itself.
562
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.200
Those neural networks will work around a bad spot or
563
00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:10.380
something missing. So I'm thinking, you know, in the best
564
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.880
case scenario, a successful lobotomy would only be temporary until
565
00:28:13.900 --> 00:28:17.559
the brain rewired itself and might still pick up whatever
566
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:19.700
it was they were trying to get rid of through lobotomy.
567
00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:24.470
Yeah, the fact that people would give lobotomies in the
568
00:28:24.509 --> 00:28:27.869
first place because they assume they know what the brain
569
00:28:27.910 --> 00:28:32.230
does is just crazy. Because if you're a doctor, if
570
00:28:32.269 --> 00:28:35.529
you went to school during this period, you've seen a brain.
571
00:28:36.109 --> 00:28:37.970
You know what a brain looks like. You see all
572
00:28:38.009 --> 00:28:40.319
of the nerve endings just on the outside. Why would
573
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.920
you think, let's try to fix that? Because you're not
574
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.390
fixing anything if that's how it's supposed to look. It
575
00:28:48.430 --> 00:28:51.849
doesn't make sense. It might just be because I have
576
00:28:51.890 --> 00:28:55.380
medical knowledge, but the things that people did to people
577
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.240
in the 60s and before then, it's insane and it
578
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.720
blows my mind. Not even because they don't have the
579
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.019
knowledge that we have now. It's because they could have
580
00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:08.279
received the knowledge that we have. The things that we
581
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.349
figured out, we figured out with microscopes. they had microscopes.
582
00:29:12.829 --> 00:29:15.390
They could have just avoided it, but we had to
583
00:29:15.430 --> 00:29:16.730
experiment for some reason.
584
00:29:16.750 --> 00:29:20.779
Oh, frightening prospect. And just, I mean, even going back
585
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:23.779
to the civil war and things I've read somewhere that
586
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:28.660
a lot of people that were injured died, not because
587
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.480
of the injury per se, but because of the operation
588
00:29:31.569 --> 00:29:35.170
to remove a limb or a dysentery got them. So
589
00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:40.869
war was only like the third deadliest thing that, dysentery
590
00:29:40.970 --> 00:29:45.559
and infection due to some of those I've seen in
591
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.779
a museum, some of those doctors instruments. I mean, literally
592
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.980
saws that they would, they would heat up and then
593
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.299
saw affected limb off cauterizing the wound as they cut
594
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:58.799
it off. No wonder those guys died. Holy cow.
595
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.920
Oh, yeah, that the Civil War was also when embalming
596
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.990
was introduced. So around the same time, you had doctors
597
00:30:08.289 --> 00:30:11.109
that embalming wasn't a thing prior to the Civil War.
598
00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:15.009
It wasn't even thought of. Embalming was started in the
599
00:30:15.089 --> 00:30:17.470
United States during the Civil War, and it started with
600
00:30:17.549 --> 00:30:21.950
barber surgeons. And barber surgeons were just Civil War doctors
601
00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:26.569
that decided they were going to try to preserve dead people.
602
00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:29.450
And it was a lot of trial and error. And
603
00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:34.079
they involved a lot of really harmful chemicals and put
604
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.500
them near other people that were helping them and had
605
00:30:38.539 --> 00:30:41.019
them just sitting there because they didn't know that these
606
00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:44.799
chemicals were bad and that they were going to hurt people.
607
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.299
So not only that, the people that were there during
608
00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:51.069
the war that were getting help from these barber surgeons
609
00:30:51.130 --> 00:30:54.089
were also the same surgeons that are working on the
610
00:30:54.130 --> 00:30:57.289
dead and using the same things on the living and dead.
611
00:30:57.329 --> 00:30:59.289
So it really just makes you think like, did they
612
00:30:59.329 --> 00:31:03.069
know what they were doing? Did any, anyone even think,
613
00:31:03.309 --> 00:31:05.779
is this actually helping the person at all?
614
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.000
Yeah.
615
00:31:07.099 --> 00:31:09.079
And that's a frightening thought that you could go to
616
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.259
the same person that cuts your hair and get your
617
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:17.680
tonsils removed, probably without any kind of a, anesthetic or antiseptic.
618
00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:20.819
Maybe they used barbicide for that. That's the stuff they
619
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.920
used to dip their combs and stuff in. But I
620
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.549
don't even think they can use that anymore because it's
621
00:31:26.609 --> 00:31:29.490
so such a strong chemical. I think they do it
622
00:31:29.509 --> 00:31:32.769
with UV light or something now, but frightening to think about.
623
00:31:32.789 --> 00:31:33.950
Oh, yeah.
624
00:31:34.410 --> 00:31:38.069
I think that certain places will still use barbicide depending
625
00:31:38.329 --> 00:31:42.049
on the type of barber and what your county laws are,
626
00:31:42.230 --> 00:31:45.210
but I'm not 100% sure. I know that here people
627
00:31:45.289 --> 00:31:47.339
use barbicide still.
628
00:31:47.910 --> 00:31:50.460
Here they don't because the place I get my hair cut,
629
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:52.559
I asked the lady about it, and she said, oh,
630
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.279
we can't use that anymore because it's such a hazardous chemical.
631
00:31:56.339 --> 00:32:01.160
So like I said, I think they use UV light. Technically,
632
00:32:01.180 --> 00:32:03.980
from what I've read, that works too, but I don't know.
633
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:05.279
I don't know.
634
00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:08.279
I'm a skeptic when it comes to it. Because, you know,
635
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.000
I come from an era when all the stuff that
636
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.089
they told us, you know, it's proved to be different,
637
00:32:14.109 --> 00:32:18.990
you know, that everything that we've eaten and been fed
638
00:32:19.069 --> 00:32:22.690
and there was even a time when cigarettes weren't considered bad,
639
00:32:22.730 --> 00:32:26.000
you know, things like that. And just the more you know.
640
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:31.960
It's frustrating because over time, everything is listed as a carcinogen.
641
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.339
And It's even more frustrating when people are like, this
642
00:32:36.390 --> 00:32:38.839
is a carcinogen, you can't use this. This is a carcinogen,
643
00:32:38.859 --> 00:32:42.099
you can't do that. Okay, well, plastic is made out
644
00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:46.599
of formaldehyde. Your couch, anything that has a fiber in
645
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.740
it was dipped in formaldehyde before given to you. If
646
00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:53.539
you look at an ingredient sheet, it'll say formaldehyde. That
647
00:32:53.779 --> 00:32:58.039
is a carcinogen. Everything that you touch has a carcinogen
648
00:32:58.099 --> 00:32:59.809
in it. At the end of the day, it's just
649
00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:02.509
whether or not you're immune to it if your body
650
00:33:02.589 --> 00:33:04.130
is just developed past that.
651
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:07.119
Yeah, I agree. And I think there's people, like you said,
652
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.059
that just are immune to it. My dad was a
653
00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:15.119
scientist out, excuse me. My dad was a scientist out
654
00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:18.569
at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And he worked with a
655
00:33:18.609 --> 00:33:22.549
guy that they had him dipping beryllium, powdered beryllium with
656
00:33:22.589 --> 00:33:26.269
a scoop. And you can hold enough beryllium in the
657
00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:27.950
palm of your hand that you could kill a room
658
00:33:27.990 --> 00:33:30.829
full of people if they inhaled it. And this guy
659
00:33:30.950 --> 00:33:33.569
is just luckily he was the one they had doing it.
660
00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:36.789
And it didn't didn't seem to bother him. I mean,
661
00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:38.950
he did die of some strange form of cancer, but
662
00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:40.880
he was like in his 80s or something, you know,
663
00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:44.140
so it wasn't a fast kill. But, you know, they
664
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.480
didn't didn't know stuff like that, like the mercury and
665
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.559
things like that. My dad talked about there was times
666
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:51.680
in the lab when there'd be a mishap and he
667
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.269
waited mercury over his shoe tops, you know, but now
668
00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:57.349
they tell you just burning the fumes off of it.
669
00:33:57.859 --> 00:34:00.599
We'll get you. But my dad lived to almost 82
670
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.960
years old, two days before his 82nd birthday.
671
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.960
So, yeah, you've got 80 year old embalmers in a
672
00:34:06.019 --> 00:34:09.769
prep room that have been working with every single carcinogen
673
00:34:09.809 --> 00:34:13.070
chemical for the past 50 years, every day for the
674
00:34:13.090 --> 00:34:17.650
past 50 years. And they die when they're 85 from
675
00:34:17.730 --> 00:34:22.340
lung cancer. OK, you're 85. the carcinogens messing with the
676
00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:25.800
chemicals probably affected it, but you lived a full life. There's,
677
00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.860
if you went up to a child in the 1600s
678
00:34:29.510 --> 00:34:32.650
and gave them a t-shirt to put on, that t-shirt
679
00:34:32.690 --> 00:34:35.769
would probably send them into an allergic reaction just because
680
00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:39.329
their body, their immune system hasn't developed like ours has.
681
00:34:39.469 --> 00:34:41.469
And that's just because of the things that we've been
682
00:34:41.530 --> 00:34:43.400
exposed to over hundreds of years.
683
00:34:43.420 --> 00:34:48.340
Yeah, I agree. Our bodies, our systems are of our
684
00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:52.739
bodies are very adaptable and we do grow those. I mean,
685
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.400
I think that's just a slow evolutionary process there that
686
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.659
we've gotten used to the things that would have killed
687
00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:03.610
people even a hundred years ago or so. And things
688
00:35:03.650 --> 00:35:05.769
that are in the food we eat and even in
689
00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:09.250
the very water that we drink. It's scary when you
690
00:35:09.269 --> 00:35:12.170
start looking into it. I try to eat an all
691
00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:15.590
organic diet or as close as I can, but Even
692
00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:18.670
that's no guarantee. There's still stuff that just because it's
693
00:35:18.750 --> 00:35:22.030
organic and natural, it'll kill you. I mean, nightshade is
694
00:35:22.130 --> 00:35:24.909
organic and natural, but eat it and see what happens.
695
00:35:24.949 --> 00:35:28.010
You know, you just, they, they, they sign up a
696
00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:31.570
lot of people with that kind of stuff. I think.
697
00:35:31.610 --> 00:35:34.340
You can eat organically. You can grow your own food,
698
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.119
but where are you? What are soil? Are you using?
699
00:35:37.219 --> 00:35:39.679
Where did you get your soil from? What's in your soil?
700
00:35:39.739 --> 00:35:41.659
What is the soil putting into your food?
701
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.159
Okay.
702
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.860
That seed is, came from somewhere to grow that food?
703
00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:49.219
What did they put in the seed before you got it,
704
00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:51.360
even though you grew it yourself and it's organic and
705
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.079
you didn't add anything else to it? What all was
706
00:35:54.139 --> 00:35:56.659
put into it and to the 100 other things you
707
00:35:56.780 --> 00:35:59.590
used before you consumed it to make it organic?
708
00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:03.969
Yeah, indeed. And some of the stuff, even though it's
709
00:36:03.989 --> 00:36:08.110
supposedly non-GMO, you don't know. There was a couple of
710
00:36:08.210 --> 00:36:10.090
farmers there in East Tennessee where I grew up when
711
00:36:10.130 --> 00:36:13.599
they first started doing the genetically modified corn One guy
712
00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:17.150
planted the GMO corn and the guy next to him didn't.
713
00:36:17.849 --> 00:36:22.929
And they later found out that whatever, however, cross-pollinated. But anyway,
714
00:36:22.969 --> 00:36:25.829
the guy that had the non-GMO field, some of the
715
00:36:25.869 --> 00:36:28.349
stuff from the GMO had gotten into his corn. So
716
00:36:28.449 --> 00:36:31.949
it was, I don't know, it was a tainted or
717
00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:34.780
however you want to phrase it. So again, you have
718
00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:37.659
no idea. And supposedly, you know, it's certified and all this,
719
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:41.280
but yeah, I don't necessarily buy all that. I think
720
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:45.170
it's just, Something to make people feel better. But I
721
00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:47.989
think you could do things to hasten your demise. But
722
00:36:48.449 --> 00:36:50.050
in the end, you know, something's going to get you
723
00:36:50.230 --> 00:36:52.420
one way or the other eventually. Oh, yeah.
724
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.820
If you're, you know, 90 years old, you've lived a
725
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.179
full life. You've done everything you can to make sure
726
00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:03.829
you've had the healthiest life possible. You're just old. Dying
727
00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:06.869
of old age is a thing. You can be perfectly healthy.
728
00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:09.989
Every single organ in your body is perfect. And you
729
00:37:10.030 --> 00:37:12.349
just die because you're old. Because your time has come.
730
00:37:12.530 --> 00:37:16.489
And that's okay. That's okay. Even if you died because
731
00:37:16.610 --> 00:37:19.510
you didn't try to do everything you can to live
732
00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:22.809
as healthy as possible. That's okay. As long as you
733
00:37:22.849 --> 00:37:25.769
had a good life and you were happy, does it
734
00:37:25.809 --> 00:37:30.219
really matter? If you were fulfilled, does it really matter?
735
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.219
And I agree. I heard somebody say, it's not the
736
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.639
years in your life, but the life in your years
737
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.320
and just live every moment and make it count. That's, uh,
738
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.320
I'm going through that right now. I turned 60 last
739
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:47.840
Halloween and, uh, my wife is 22 years younger than
740
00:37:47.929 --> 00:37:50.210
I am. So I'm wishing that I had about 20
741
00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:53.030
of the last years back, but you know, it is
742
00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:55.889
what it is. And, uh, hopefully I've got at least
743
00:37:55.949 --> 00:37:59.449
another 20 more left in me. And, uh, Yeah, but
744
00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:01.730
if I make it to 80 or 90, I'm going
745
00:38:01.750 --> 00:38:03.650
to eat whatever I want at that point. I'm going
746
00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:06.750
to eat hot dogs and bologna and things like that
747
00:38:06.769 --> 00:38:10.909
that I ate as a kid. But I'm trying to
748
00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:13.530
do the healthier thing now that I've got a wife
749
00:38:13.590 --> 00:38:16.030
and a baby on the way that depend on me.
750
00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:19.969
It puts a different frame of reference, different perspective on things.
751
00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:20.849
Yeah.
752
00:38:21.610 --> 00:38:24.530
And as you get older, it gives you a different
753
00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:27.429
frame of reference. I heard somebody the other day say,
754
00:38:27.469 --> 00:38:30.130
you know, when you... in your sixties and beyond a
755
00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:34.289
life sentence doesn't carry the weight that it once did.
756
00:38:34.489 --> 00:38:36.610
And I kind of, I kind of get that, you know,
757
00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:39.170
if you're looking, if you committed a crime, you're looking
758
00:38:39.190 --> 00:38:41.510
at life in prison when you're in your teens or twenties,
759
00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:47.190
there's one thing, but if you're 60, 70, 80 years old, like, yeah, okay. Yeah.
760
00:38:47.969 --> 00:38:48.250
Yeah.
761
00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:52.929
And that's fair, but I'm also, I vouch for living
762
00:38:53.030 --> 00:38:56.010
your life to the fullest and doing whatever you can
763
00:38:56.070 --> 00:38:59.360
to fill the most less hungry, I guess.
764
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.119
Yeah. And, and the same with the, the doing things
765
00:39:03.219 --> 00:39:06.599
and adventuring and going places, you know, it's, it's, it,
766
00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:09.179
I know it sounds cliche, but it is about the journey.
767
00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:12.500
And I've just, I've lived all over. I lived in
768
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:17.199
East Tennessee. I lived in Florida, uh, Las Vegas. Um,
769
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:25.389
where'd you go from there? Uh, Oh, um, Vancouver, Washington, Portland, Oregon, uh, St. Helen's, Oregon, and, uh,
770
00:39:25.469 --> 00:39:27.510
high desert of New Mexico. And now here I am
771
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.949
in New England, I just, you know, I've traveled and
772
00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:34.579
I've seen things and there's so much more out there.
773
00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:36.239
And I think that's one of those things that the
774
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.110
more you do it, the more you want to do it.
775
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.760
Although I enjoy being at home too. There's just, there's
776
00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:44.300
something great about, you know, and in this day and
777
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.519
age when you can have groceries delivered and you've got
778
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.530
DoorDash and And things like that. There's days here that
779
00:39:50.570 --> 00:39:53.909
we don't get out unless we absolutely need to. Kind
780
00:39:53.929 --> 00:39:56.110
of a cocooning thing. You know, we've got everything we
781
00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:58.530
need here. And that's okay.
782
00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:01.929
As long as you feel like you're happy just doing that.
783
00:40:02.050 --> 00:40:05.809
If you feel happy sitting at home watching a show
784
00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:08.070
and that fulfills you and you don't feel like doing
785
00:40:08.150 --> 00:40:10.730
anything that day and you're happy because you've had the
786
00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:13.869
last week of day after day after day you were
787
00:40:13.889 --> 00:40:16.030
doing something and now you get a day to rest
788
00:40:16.329 --> 00:40:19.760
and that makes you happy. do it because you're fulfilled.
789
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.199
Yeah, I agree. And, uh, plus because of what I do,
790
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.280
I do YouTube for a living and I write books. I've, um,
791
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:31.840
let's see, I've had five Amazon bestsellers and I just
792
00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:36.019
published my 20th book last year working on number 21
793
00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:40.119
and it's, it's a monster. It's, uh, currently sitting at 97,000
794
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:42.519
words and I've got more to do on it, but
795
00:40:43.570 --> 00:40:47.039
that's the joy of, not having a regular job and
796
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:49.420
not having to punch a clock and not having to,
797
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.579
you know, have a boss or be micromanaged or anything.
798
00:40:52.619 --> 00:40:55.780
My boss is my wife and my audience, you know,
799
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:59.769
but my dad always told me when I was a kid, like, boy,
800
00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:02.150
if you could find a way to get paid for talking,
801
00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:05.989
you'd be all set. Well, here I am talking and right. But,
802
00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.329
you know, if somebody had told me 40 years ago
803
00:41:09.409 --> 00:41:12.909
that now I'd be sitting here making six figures and,
804
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.159
doing this bullshit you know i've got the youtube the
805
00:41:16.219 --> 00:41:18.179
radio and the books and this is all i do
806
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.159
but i love it you know i love the freedom
807
00:41:20.659 --> 00:41:23.340
that that gives me uh sometimes you know if i
808
00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:24.659
wake up in the middle of the night and i
809
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.380
can't go back to sleep i'll come in here and
810
00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:30.050
record something or i'll sit and write a few thousand
811
00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:32.690
words you know it's just that's the deferring part of
812
00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:34.929
it i think and to know that you know that
813
00:41:35.449 --> 00:41:37.969
everything's taken care of i don't live extravagantly but we
814
00:41:38.010 --> 00:41:41.309
live very comfortably so you know there's a good trade
815
00:41:41.349 --> 00:41:44.679
off there and i've worked some hard shitty jobs. I've
816
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:51.300
worked construction, demolition, sweaty outdoor type work. And then I've
817
00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:55.260
also done tech support and network support, things like that.
818
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.880
That's maddening and frustrating in another way. And one of
819
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.969
the absolute worst jobs is working in a call center.
820
00:42:02.510 --> 00:42:06.590
I've done second and third tier tech support. So all
821
00:42:06.630 --> 00:42:08.230
that meant was by the time they got to me,
822
00:42:08.269 --> 00:42:12.639
they were either double or triple pissed off. And, and the,
823
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:15.559
Without a doubt, the person that had them before me
824
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.099
didn't take any notes on the case. So they had
825
00:42:18.139 --> 00:42:21.380
to start over from square one, repeat their issue. And
826
00:42:22.699 --> 00:42:25.590
people that haven't done it, it's one of those things,
827
00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:29.090
unless you've done it, it's hard to understand it. But
828
00:42:29.550 --> 00:42:31.809
they're like, oh, you're just talking on the phone. But
829
00:42:31.949 --> 00:42:34.150
it's so much more than that. You've got metrics that
830
00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:36.650
you've got to keep up with, your handle times, your
831
00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:40.469
after call work, your close rate. And every time that
832
00:42:41.150 --> 00:42:43.110
goes off and another call comes in, it's like having
833
00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:45.610
your head in a vice and it tightens a little
834
00:42:45.670 --> 00:42:49.070
bit each call that comes in. And I could do 60, 80,
835
00:42:49.070 --> 00:42:52.349
100 calls a day, depending on the scenario. And it
836
00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:54.719
wears on you. I don't care if I never have
837
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.360
to take or give another phone call because I hate
838
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.960
that too, having to call in somewhere and be the
839
00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:03.639
one sitting on hold for three hours to get to
840
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.900
talk to somebody. Sorry, got on a little rant there,
841
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.769
but that's just, personal sore spot for me.
842
00:43:10.730 --> 00:43:13.110
Now you're fine i get it with funeral service you
843
00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:15.369
kind of have to know a little bit about everything
844
00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:18.489
so i i get it but i also like learning
845
00:43:18.550 --> 00:43:21.119
things because if there's something that i don't know how
846
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:22.780
to do and i need to learn how to do
847
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.679
it teach me please my ears are open my hands
848
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.519
are willing to do whatever teach.
849
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.199
Me and it's not just the science part of it
850
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.550
there but like a doctor you've got to have a
851
00:43:32.570 --> 00:43:35.289
good bedside manner you're dealing with people that are grieving
852
00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:39.130
have just lost one or maybe more family members depending
853
00:43:39.190 --> 00:43:42.250
on the scenario. So you've got to be a friend,
854
00:43:43.730 --> 00:43:49.789
show empathy, all these things, the psychological aspect of it
855
00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:53.050
that's so much more than just the nuts and bolts
856
00:43:53.110 --> 00:43:57.179
and the chemistry and the other rigmarole involved. I mean,
857
00:43:57.219 --> 00:44:00.900
that's a heavy task right there. And again, I applaud
858
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.090
you for going into that field. Somebody has to do it,
859
00:44:03.139 --> 00:44:07.179
but If it was me, it wouldn't get done. I
860
00:44:07.219 --> 00:44:10.539
couldn't do that. I just couldn't do it. I had
861
00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:12.800
no interest in going into medicine or anything like that.
862
00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:15.940
I started out in law and was supposed to go
863
00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:19.400
to law school at Vandy. I got accepted there and
864
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.480
then just worked for a medical malpractice firm, also handled
865
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.000
products liability and personal injury. I clerked there the summer
866
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.179
before I was supposed to start at Vandy and I thought, nope,
867
00:44:31.699 --> 00:44:34.559
can't see myself doing this for the next 20, 30,
868
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.110
40 years. And, and I'm glad I didn't in a way.
869
00:44:38.190 --> 00:44:40.760
I mean, I'd be a senior partner now if not
870
00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:45.980
retired and enjoying all that money, but at what cost? Yeah.
871
00:44:46.219 --> 00:44:49.360
I'd rather be doing what I'm doing now. Yeah.
872
00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:53.079
I did medical assisting my school and high school offered
873
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.760
like different, they offered like your senior year, one college
874
00:44:57.820 --> 00:45:00.349
class for whatever you're going to do. And you had
875
00:45:00.369 --> 00:45:02.780
different pathways that you could join for whatever you're going
876
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.119
to do. And of course, they didn't have anything to
877
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.179
do with dead people. So I did the medical assisting pathway.
878
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.489
And I remember my senior year, everyone was drawing each
879
00:45:13.550 --> 00:45:17.070
other's blood and everyone was you know doing all of
880
00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:19.860
these medical things and I just felt like vomiting the
881
00:45:19.889 --> 00:45:23.900
whole time anytime we did anything or learned anything that
882
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:27.380
was had to do with stuff inside the human body
883
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.260
and anything that just looked like it would be painful
884
00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:33.989
I felt like I was gonna throw up but I
885
00:45:34.030 --> 00:45:36.619
wanted to do funeral service I want to I wanted
886
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.360
to help people and that's what I'm going to do.
887
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:44.170
And I'm fine with, you know, things when no one's
888
00:45:44.210 --> 00:45:47.570
in pain. I'm fine with stuff that would be considered
889
00:45:47.610 --> 00:45:50.050
gross if no one is in pain from it. If
890
00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:52.690
you're in pain, I'm going to get nauseous from the
891
00:45:52.710 --> 00:45:53.650
pain that you're feeling.
892
00:45:54.510 --> 00:45:58.550
Wow. And I totally understand that. That's kind of signs
893
00:45:58.590 --> 00:46:00.639
of an empath there too, where you can feel other
894
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:03.519
people's pain and emotions and things. But then once they've
895
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:06.530
passed on, You can use that to help the people
896
00:46:06.570 --> 00:46:10.360
that are behind and trying to deal with having to
897
00:46:11.110 --> 00:46:13.780
take care of a loved one. I've got a video
898
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:21.719
on my Tales Untold channel about Wilhelm's Memorial there in Portland, Oregon.
899
00:46:21.739 --> 00:46:25.500
Have you ever heard of that place? It's the biggest
900
00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.980
mortuary on the west side of the Mississippi or was
901
00:46:30.019 --> 00:46:32.980
it one time? I think it still is. And it's
902
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.059
a veritable city of the dead. There's like, I think,
903
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:38.909
50 or 60,000 remains interred. And there are a lot
904
00:46:38.929 --> 00:46:42.010
of those in urns. And excuse me, I had to
905
00:46:42.050 --> 00:46:45.730
clear my throat. And room for another 40 or 50,000 more.
906
00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:49.489
It's impressive. It takes up like two or three city blocks.
907
00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:54.519
It's as high as eight stories in some areas of it.
908
00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:57.750
And I mean, it's just a monstrosity. But if you
909
00:46:57.769 --> 00:46:59.150
get a chance, I'll send you a link. Go over
910
00:46:59.170 --> 00:47:01.190
there and take a look at that video and They
911
00:47:01.210 --> 00:47:06.329
have a crematorium on site. I said they have all
912
00:47:06.369 --> 00:47:09.309
the cremation urns. They've got whole galleries full of those
913
00:47:09.389 --> 00:47:12.610
floor to ceiling behind in these little, looks like little
914
00:47:12.630 --> 00:47:15.670
aquariums or something, little glass tin boxes. Apparently they didn't
915
00:47:15.750 --> 00:47:18.710
used to have to do that, but people steal those
916
00:47:18.849 --> 00:47:22.070
urns because some of them are made out of valuable metals,
917
00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:26.619
copper and brass and things like that. That's pretty low down.
918
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:30.130
I can't imagine stealing a cremation urn, you know, with
919
00:47:30.150 --> 00:47:32.449
somebody in it so you can sell it for scrap metal,
920
00:47:32.469 --> 00:47:34.230
but it takes all kinds.
921
00:47:35.090 --> 00:47:39.170
Yeah, I couldn't imagine that either. Just, I don't know,
922
00:47:39.190 --> 00:47:45.329
the thought of stealing someone is, it's so upsetting because
923
00:47:45.489 --> 00:47:48.679
I know that there's, even if you don't know of
924
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:53.099
anyone that even knows this person, at one point, someone
925
00:47:53.139 --> 00:47:57.739
cared about them, even if it was They were the
926
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.739
worst person on this planet. Okay, when they were born,
927
00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:06.320
their mother loved them. When they were born, someone loved them,
928
00:48:06.460 --> 00:48:10.429
even if they did things previously. Someone loved them at
929
00:48:10.469 --> 00:48:13.050
some point. Someone cared for them at some point. And
930
00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:16.710
someone's upset that they're dead. So don't be rude.
931
00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:22.940
Yeah, and that's words well spoken. I remember seeing an
932
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:27.269
interview years and years ago With Ted Bundy's mother, you know,
933
00:48:27.349 --> 00:48:29.130
you don't think about it in that kind of terms.
934
00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:32.250
He was, you know, somebody's kid. She showed off his
935
00:48:32.289 --> 00:48:34.409
Boy Scout uniform and things like that. You know, I'm
936
00:48:34.449 --> 00:48:39.079
sure he had different ambitions as a toddler rather than
937
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:44.239
murdering people and things. But, you know, he went wrong somewhere. But, yeah, somebody,
938
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:48.860
you know, somebody, that's somebody's son or daughter or, you know,
939
00:48:49.059 --> 00:48:51.219
somebody out there cared about it. And I remember when
940
00:48:51.260 --> 00:48:53.050
I was a kid, now on my mom's side of
941
00:48:53.090 --> 00:48:55.619
the family, Going to the funeral home, that was a
942
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.360
big deal. By the time I was 10, I'd been
943
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:01.380
to more funerals than I had kids' birthday parties because
944
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.059
that was just a big thing. That was like a
945
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:07.059
social event. And I don't remember where I was going
946
00:49:07.099 --> 00:49:10.230
with that. I've got baby brain. But anyway, as I
947
00:49:10.269 --> 00:49:13.889
was saying, it just, you know, oh, okay. I remember
948
00:49:13.989 --> 00:49:16.429
one time we went, and I don't remember who, some
949
00:49:16.489 --> 00:49:19.969
aunt or uncle. My mom came from a large family, her.
950
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.719
and nine brothers. She was the only girl. So I
951
00:49:22.780 --> 00:49:25.820
had a lot of, each one of those brothers was
952
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:28.679
married several times and had a slew of kids. So
953
00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:32.880
always somebody, you know, that we had to go for
954
00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:36.610
the visitation. And I remember in Zweeber's Funeral Home there
955
00:49:36.619 --> 00:49:40.559
in Knoxville, it's on Oak Ridge Highway, Western Avenue. And
956
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.559
I'd wandered into one of the other rooms and there
957
00:49:43.579 --> 00:49:46.780
was some poor old man in there, probably 90 years old.
958
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.710
And there was nobody there. There weren't any flowers and
959
00:49:51.769 --> 00:49:54.630
nobody had signed the guest book. And I felt so
960
00:49:54.690 --> 00:49:56.170
bad for that man. I was just a little kid,
961
00:49:56.230 --> 00:49:59.190
maybe nine, 10 years old. And I signed his guest book.
962
00:49:59.230 --> 00:50:00.989
You know, as far as I know, I was the
963
00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:04.840
only one. It's probably somebody that left in their will
964
00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:08.320
or somehow to, you know, here, Have me send off,
965
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:10.239
put me, I want to be here, have me at
966
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:12.280
this funeral home before you put me in the ground.
967
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:15.739
But nobody, nobody at all was there. No flowers or anything. Just,
968
00:50:16.469 --> 00:50:19.429
you know, you feel bad for somebody like that. Especially
969
00:50:19.449 --> 00:50:21.650
in a situation like that. There was nobody that cared
970
00:50:21.690 --> 00:50:24.409
enough to even go to the funeral home and view
971
00:50:24.429 --> 00:50:24.889
the body.
972
00:50:25.670 --> 00:50:28.590
Most of the time nowadays when things like that happens,
973
00:50:29.429 --> 00:50:32.750
unless it's the family tells you why there's no one
974
00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:36.219
there and it's a very, very messed up reason. Most
975
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:40.300
of the time, the funeral home will supply their own flowers. Like,
976
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.159
you just signing the guest book probably made whoever was
977
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.219
directing that funeral feel like they did something. Even if
978
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.900
you didn't know who they were, that probably helped in
979
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.760
one way, shape, or form. Because that funeral director is
980
00:50:54.820 --> 00:50:58.780
going to have to send that guest booklet to someone.
981
00:50:59.139 --> 00:51:01.340
They have to send it to someone. And whoever is
982
00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:04.260
going to open that is going to see someone showed up.
983
00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:05.239
Someone came.
984
00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:09.539
It'd be funny if somebody turned up with that years later. Look,
985
00:51:09.579 --> 00:51:12.260
you signed this when you were a kid. You visited
986
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:17.409
the great uncle Ed at the funeral home. Yeah. And
987
00:51:17.429 --> 00:51:19.690
that was another thing about the Victorians. I mean, that's
988
00:51:19.789 --> 00:51:23.429
where the funeral parlor comes from. You know, they laid
989
00:51:23.449 --> 00:51:26.329
the body out at home in the parlor. Yep. And
990
00:51:26.449 --> 00:51:30.280
my granddad, also on my mom's side, he passed away
991
00:51:30.340 --> 00:51:33.940
when I was six months old. But I heard recounting
992
00:51:33.980 --> 00:51:35.760
of stories that he had told. And he talked about
993
00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:37.710
when he was a kid. having to sit up with
994
00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:40.010
the dead and how scared he was. And that was
995
00:51:40.070 --> 00:51:42.940
another Victorian thing. And I think that was like we
996
00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:47.119
talked about, you know, in case they did, they weren't dead.
997
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.820
They would have somebody sit with a corpse. I know
998
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.530
they do that in the Jewish faith too. They sit
999
00:51:54.590 --> 00:51:56.449
Shiva with a corpse, but I think that's for a
1000
00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:58.309
different reason. Yeah.
1001
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.610
I can't think of the exact religions off the top
1002
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.570
of my head, but there is some religions that they
1003
00:52:05.590 --> 00:52:09.869
have to be viewing the whole time. And most of
1004
00:52:09.909 --> 00:52:14.369
the time, those religions don't allow embalming, so they won't
1005
00:52:14.670 --> 00:52:17.590
witness any sort of embalming. But there will be a
1006
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.880
designated person who is with their decedent the entire time
1007
00:52:23.019 --> 00:52:25.800
until the dirt is completely covered over them. They are
1008
00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:27.360
there even when they are barren.
1009
00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:29.219
Them and everyone else.
1010
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.719
Left and again i don't know if it's orthodox or
1011
00:52:31.780 --> 00:52:34.800
hasidic i don't i took comparative religion in school which
1012
00:52:34.820 --> 00:52:37.900
has been years and years and years ago but uh
1013
00:52:38.059 --> 00:52:40.199
there are some faiths like that and there is an
1014
00:52:40.510 --> 00:52:43.530
aspect of judaism one of the offshoots there where they
1015
00:52:43.570 --> 00:52:46.809
don't do any kind of embalming and that's uh they
1016
00:52:47.090 --> 00:52:48.690
and they think you have to be buried within i
1017
00:52:49.269 --> 00:52:51.610
think it's two or three days there there's a kind
1018
00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:52.590
of a rush there to.
1019
00:52:53.210 --> 00:52:56.260
I had to write an entire paper over the Jewish
1020
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:58.280
burial customs.
1021
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.119
Oh, you know more about it than I do.
1022
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.579
They have to. So traditionally they have to be buried
1023
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.739
the day of the before the evening, the day of death.
1024
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:10.630
So like the day of death within the evening, they're
1025
00:53:10.670 --> 00:53:14.710
not allowed to be involved. They're not allowed to be
1026
00:53:14.849 --> 00:53:21.199
buried in any sort of vault unless the cemetery requires it.
1027
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.820
And if the cemetery requires a vault, it has to
1028
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.960
be a wooden vault. And there's no wooden vault manufacturers
1029
00:53:28.179 --> 00:53:28.719
in Tennessee.
1030
00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:32.199
I know there's a business idea for you.
1031
00:53:32.659 --> 00:53:34.719
Yeah, but it has to be in a wooden vault
1032
00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:38.070
and their casket has to be completely wooden. So it
1033
00:53:38.130 --> 00:53:41.349
has to be biodegradable. And not only that, depending on
1034
00:53:41.389 --> 00:53:43.789
where you're at and the situation, the funeral home might
1035
00:53:43.829 --> 00:53:48.579
have to give something. the wooden casket to the family
1036
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.219
and wooden caskets are a lot of money.
1037
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:51.159
Wow.
1038
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:57.340
But yeah, Jewish customs with burials are like the most intense.
1039
00:53:58.179 --> 00:54:01.360
And if you mess anything up at all, you're a
1040
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.340
horrible person.
1041
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.000
Oh gosh. Yeah. I know. Um, one place I live
1042
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.030
there in Knoxville, I'd live just kind of catty corner
1043
00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:10.570
from a Jewish cemetery. And I'd go over there and
1044
00:54:10.610 --> 00:54:13.130
wander around sometimes. And that was the first place I'd
1045
00:54:13.150 --> 00:54:16.849
ever seen coins on, um, gravestones and apparently that's just
1046
00:54:16.909 --> 00:54:20.389
a way to let the deceased know that you're thinking
1047
00:54:20.449 --> 00:54:23.190
of them and to let excuse me other visitors know
1048
00:54:23.230 --> 00:54:25.769
that somebody's been there visiting the grave but i don't
1049
00:54:25.789 --> 00:54:28.780
see all those coins over there what's that all about
1050
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:33.320
um there's other graves where they put rocks on the
1051
00:54:33.340 --> 00:54:35.760
headstone to let people know that somebody's been.
1052
00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:38.460
There um i think it's just so people know that
1053
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.820
they're like paying their respects so people know that like
1054
00:54:42.860 --> 00:54:46.480
hey someone's been here don't forget about them and like
1055
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.500
there's also there's also things of the afterlife people will
1056
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.880
put things on headstones depending on what they believe so
1057
00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:59.280
like i'm not entirely sure what the coins for in
1058
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:03.519
jewish relations but i know in certain religions they'll put
1059
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.659
coins because it'll be a sense of currency like they'll
1060
00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:09.460
they'll have coins in their pocket in the afterlife now,
1061
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.699
pretty much. Or they'll have, if I don't know, trying
1062
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.920
to think of a good example, um, rocks. If they
1063
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:21.570
were an outsidesy person and someone found a bunch of
1064
00:55:21.590 --> 00:55:23.909
really cool rocks or really pretty rocks that they think
1065
00:55:23.949 --> 00:55:26.110
they would like, they can have these in the afterlife,
1066
00:55:27.050 --> 00:55:27.710
stuff like that.
1067
00:55:28.489 --> 00:55:32.230
Yeah. And that kind of makes sense. Well, unfortunately we're
1068
00:55:32.269 --> 00:55:36.530
almost out of time here. Do an hour with me tonight.
1069
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.780
But I have enjoyed this thoroughly. Before we leave, though,
1070
00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:42.780
let people know where they can find you. And I'll
1071
00:55:42.860 --> 00:55:45.780
also put links in the show description. Yeah.
1072
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.699
So you can find my YouTube channel. It's Nevaeh's Nightmare.
1073
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.179
You can find my Instagram. It's Morning Drizzle. I plan
1074
00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:56.150
on making a new Instagram, though, for my YouTube channel.
1075
00:55:56.170 --> 00:55:58.449
I just don't know when that's going to be because
1076
00:55:58.670 --> 00:56:01.809
I'm procrastinating. But I'll make that eventually. It'll also be
1077
00:56:01.929 --> 00:56:08.989
Nevaeh's Nightmare. Yeah, I'll be at the Strange Realities Conference 2024.
1078
00:56:08.989 --> 00:56:11.869
I'll be presenting there. So if you wanted to join,
1079
00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:12.769
I'll say hi back.
1080
00:56:13.849 --> 00:56:16.510
Looking forward to that and I'll put links to all
1081
00:56:16.530 --> 00:56:20.019
that in the description. Once again, Nevaeh from Nevaeh's Nightmare.
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00:56:20.659 --> 00:56:25.369
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And that was Shutters by Lee G bringing us in
1097
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.110
from the break. Welcome back. In the second hour here
1098
00:57:39.219 --> 00:57:42.050
of everything out there on the Clyde Lewis Ground Zero
1099
00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:46.570
Radio Network, I'm proud to bring back a paranormalist, Cisco Murdoch,
1100
00:57:46.630 --> 00:57:49.130
to join me for this hour. We're going to be
1101
00:57:49.150 --> 00:57:52.949
talking about childhood fears, real and imagined. Cisco, come on
1102
00:57:53.010 --> 00:57:53.829
in here. How are you doing?
1103
00:57:53.849 --> 00:57:56.139
How are you doing? I'm just here for the booze.
1104
00:57:56.179 --> 00:57:56.739
How about you?
1105
00:57:58.019 --> 00:57:59.420
Now, that's B-O-O-S.
1106
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.019
Yeah, absolutely.
1107
00:58:01.300 --> 00:58:01.500
Okay.
1108
00:58:02.710 --> 00:58:05.150
But I was thinking about that the other night, childhood
1109
00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:09.239
fears and how far we've come. And I've got some
1110
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:11.139
stuff for the baby that's going to be here in
1111
00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:13.420
just a little over eight weeks. I was thinking there's
1112
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.320
some of this. I like it, but he's probably going
1113
00:58:15.340 --> 00:58:18.119
to be afraid of it. And I started thinking back
1114
00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:21.619
about when I was a kid. I was born in 63. So,
1115
00:58:22.010 --> 00:58:25.670
you know, mid late 60s and even into the 70s,
1116
00:58:25.889 --> 00:58:28.570
there was stuff that I was just terrified of. And
1117
00:58:28.590 --> 00:58:30.750
I'm sure you were the same way. So we'll jump
1118
00:58:30.809 --> 00:58:34.130
in here. And just throw some of these against the wall.
1119
00:58:34.730 --> 00:58:35.130
Sure.
1120
00:58:35.530 --> 00:58:38.150
I've got a whole list here. So if you just
1121
00:58:38.170 --> 00:58:40.039
want to pick something and run with it.
1122
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.139
Well, I'll tell you what. You mentioned it and I
1123
00:58:43.179 --> 00:58:47.800
thought about it. And I started thinking about, you know,
1124
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:50.280
I'm no psychologist. I mean, I think we all in
1125
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.269
the paranormal, we're all kind of our own little private detectives.
1126
00:58:54.309 --> 00:58:55.909
You know what I mean? We all try to sort
1127
00:58:56.050 --> 00:58:58.789
out and figure out what's going on. So you can't
1128
00:58:58.829 --> 00:59:02.389
really help it when you look at this too. I'm
1129
00:59:02.449 --> 00:59:05.639
wondering if a lot of you and I have talked
1130
00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:10.920
to about, like, say, DNA memory or past. lives and
1131
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.780
stuff we might bring with us from other lives like
1132
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.179
fear of you know i have um i don't like
1133
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:19.900
anything around my neck i always as i've always joked
1134
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.219
i mean turtlenecks tight chokers when they were big in
1135
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:25.440
the you know in the 70s and stuff like that
1136
00:59:25.460 --> 00:59:28.539
it was never into it and even Native American, the
1137
00:59:28.579 --> 00:59:33.199
beautiful Native American liar's choker that's part of regalia and
1138
00:59:33.219 --> 00:59:36.960
a lot of the different tribal customs. So I was
1139
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:41.019
always joking that maybe I was a witch and got
1140
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:43.920
hung or I was, you know, whatever. And maybe that's
1141
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:47.469
a memory. So some of those things from childhood, I think,
1142
00:59:47.510 --> 00:59:50.809
can come from if those things are possible, we got
1143
00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:53.389
to add that to the mix because it's almost like
1144
00:59:53.409 --> 00:59:57.969
a a pre-mixed fear, like nothing happened in this life
1145
00:59:58.010 --> 00:59:59.780
to cause it, kind of came with you.
1146
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.320
Yeah, just kind of there. And I believe in that
1147
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.840
DNA memory. I think that's a lot of our dreams
1148
01:00:05.900 --> 01:00:09.639
and things like that are remembrances of things that our
1149
01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:12.659
ancestors saw or did or witnessed.
1150
01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:18.719
Man, you know, to say somebody is a good runner,
1151
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.699
because it's in the blood, because his grandfather was a
1152
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.000
good runner, or his auntie on this side, she was fantastic,
1153
01:00:27.019 --> 01:00:29.280
must have crossed the DNA that way. I think that's,
1154
01:00:29.949 --> 01:00:32.969
you know, there's a lot to be said about that.
1155
01:00:34.829 --> 01:00:37.550
And people seem to be able to accept those things
1156
01:00:38.269 --> 01:00:43.750
a lot easier than talking about it with a woo-woo underline.
1157
01:00:44.090 --> 01:00:47.349
You know what I mean? So, oh, well, you know,
1158
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:51.199
That's crazy to say that you could have a memory
1159
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.019
in your DNA or something like that and be afraid
1160
01:00:54.139 --> 01:00:59.369
of heights. Well, maybe you did end a life by
1161
01:00:59.409 --> 01:01:03.150
falling off a cliff or whatever. There might be something
1162
01:01:03.230 --> 01:01:05.449
to that. And it seems to be harder for people
1163
01:01:05.510 --> 01:01:09.539
to accept that than you're a good runner because your
1164
01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:10.699
grandfather was.
1165
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:11.400
Yeah.
1166
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:11.679
You see?
1167
01:01:12.610 --> 01:01:17.530
And it's the same in a lot of this supernatural paranormal.
1168
01:01:17.570 --> 01:01:22.679
People believe in angels and stuff like that, but then
1169
01:01:22.699 --> 01:01:24.679
they say, oh, but nothing like demons exist.
1170
01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:27.639
You can't have one without the other.
1171
01:01:27.739 --> 01:01:31.139
Yeah, but people have been choosing. So I thought that
1172
01:01:31.179 --> 01:01:33.400
was interesting to think about. And then I thought the
1173
01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:38.679
simplistic way of going at the conversation of, did anything
1174
01:01:38.739 --> 01:01:41.360
happen in my childhood that I was afraid of? And
1175
01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:45.059
I tried to go back and think of early things
1176
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.420
that happened to me as a child that I could
1177
01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:52.579
still maybe remember that I might have a fear. I
1178
01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:55.440
don't know whether I want to say fear, but a
1179
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:56.429
dislike of now.
1180
01:01:57.179 --> 01:01:57.389
Yeah.
1181
01:01:57.530 --> 01:01:59.670
Some of it I do fear. I have to be honest.
1182
01:02:00.289 --> 01:02:03.409
But so I can, I can go back and grab
1183
01:02:03.429 --> 01:02:04.079
when you want to hear it.
1184
01:02:04.989 --> 01:02:05.590
Absolutely.
1185
01:02:06.210 --> 01:02:09.369
Okay. I think you've heard this one before. So. I
1186
01:02:09.409 --> 01:02:12.190
can remember, God, I must have been so young. And
1187
01:02:12.230 --> 01:02:14.630
people don't believe Steve and I when we say we remember,
1188
01:02:14.650 --> 01:02:16.639
but we're just different.
1189
01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:21.199
I thought you were going to say people don't believe
1190
01:02:21.219 --> 01:02:22.519
that we were young at one time.
1191
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.360
Well, that too. I've had that complaint. You know, there's
1192
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.469
no way y'all born old. So anyway, it could be
1193
01:02:29.510 --> 01:02:33.639
a compliment, you know. So anyhow. I can go back
1194
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.969
and remember. It must have been Easter or something where
1195
01:02:38.070 --> 01:02:42.230
I know I was wearing, as a young girl, a baby, toddler,
1196
01:02:42.250 --> 01:02:46.289
I would say even, probably two, three years old. I
1197
01:02:46.329 --> 01:02:48.289
can remember being, and I had to be because I
1198
01:02:48.329 --> 01:02:51.809
know my granddaddy died. So I had to be that young.
1199
01:02:52.690 --> 01:02:56.070
And I'm walking, obviously, because I can remember walking through
1200
01:02:56.130 --> 01:02:59.159
very tall grass. And it must have been Easter or
1201
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.579
christening or we went to church or, you know, how
1202
01:03:01.659 --> 01:03:04.219
moms dress up their little girls and all this. Or
1203
01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:09.030
they used to. And these frilly little outfits had way
1204
01:03:09.050 --> 01:03:11.150
too much crinoline and way too much lace. And they
1205
01:03:11.170 --> 01:03:13.630
were just adorable with little white silk bows and stuff.
1206
01:03:13.670 --> 01:03:16.630
It was all white. I remember all white. And I
1207
01:03:16.690 --> 01:03:18.849
remember looking down at my feet. I can still see
1208
01:03:18.889 --> 01:03:21.650
my feet. And I had these, like, little white Mary Janes.
1209
01:03:21.750 --> 01:03:24.949
Everything was white with the little socks with the lace
1210
01:03:25.070 --> 01:03:27.110
on the edge that would roll down, you know, that
1211
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.500
kind of outfit. And I remember walking. Like, somebody let
1212
01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:33.599
me go, and I started wandering. And I wound up
1213
01:03:33.619 --> 01:03:38.800
in the back part of my grandfather's backyard. And he
1214
01:03:38.900 --> 01:03:43.860
used to have one of these little push lawnmowers. No
1215
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.320
gas needed was a roller with these blades on it
1216
01:03:46.340 --> 01:03:49.599
and you just push it and it cut grass. And
1217
01:03:50.019 --> 01:03:52.780
I remember walking past that and walking into the taller
1218
01:03:52.820 --> 01:03:55.199
grass that he didn't get to. And I got in
1219
01:03:55.219 --> 01:03:58.190
there and I remember even how the grass smelled and
1220
01:03:58.250 --> 01:04:01.449
everything else. And nobody had noticed I was gone. And
1221
01:04:01.489 --> 01:04:02.909
I don't know how long I was in there. But
1222
01:04:02.949 --> 01:04:06.110
I remember the next thing was I was sitting on
1223
01:04:06.170 --> 01:04:08.489
my butt because I had fell down and I was crying.
1224
01:04:08.690 --> 01:04:12.389
And all I remember is adults coming. I was covered.
1225
01:04:12.980 --> 01:04:24.320
in these army, khaki, gray, nasty, tobacco-spitting grasshoppers. With the tobacco.
1226
01:04:24.460 --> 01:04:26.300
The ones that spit at you.
1227
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:27.400
I remember those.
1228
01:04:29.179 --> 01:04:34.139
They were stuck, Steve, in the tool. This is the
1229
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.449
material that has the little holes in it.
1230
01:04:36.460 --> 01:04:38.840
They got those little stickers on their feet, too. You'd
1231
01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:41.949
have to turn them. I hate to say it, but
1232
01:04:42.389 --> 01:04:44.170
I've pulled legs off of them trying to get them
1233
01:04:44.250 --> 01:04:46.809
unstuck from my clothes before.
1234
01:04:48.030 --> 01:04:51.329
They were all over me. I remember them crawling over
1235
01:04:51.429 --> 01:04:55.369
my face, in my hair, and anywhere they got on
1236
01:04:55.929 --> 01:04:57.860
this dress. And this is why I remember it was
1237
01:04:57.889 --> 01:05:02.760
so white. I had tobacco, grasshopper tobacco spit all over
1238
01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:07.460
this dress. I'm screaming. I'm crying. Grasshoppers are stuck in
1239
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:12.510
the tulle. My grandmother's screaming, my mother's screaming, my grandfather's
1240
01:05:12.530 --> 01:05:15.679
screaming at them. I can't remember. It was another lady there.
1241
01:05:15.699 --> 01:05:17.280
It was probably my aunt. I can't tell you who
1242
01:05:17.300 --> 01:05:19.679
that was. There was another head. I remember, you know
1243
01:05:19.699 --> 01:05:21.739
how like when you're a little kid and all these adults.
1244
01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:23.360
Screaming heads around you.
1245
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:28.159
Screaming heads coming at me. Grasshoppers crawling all over me. Trauma.
1246
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:32.760
The trauma. And I remember they're running and somebody's carrying
1247
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.139
me and they're running and my grandmother's trying to pull
1248
01:05:35.179 --> 01:05:37.250
these crickets off and probably the legs are coming off.
1249
01:05:37.309 --> 01:05:42.269
Like you said, it was the most horrific thing. To
1250
01:05:42.309 --> 01:05:47.719
this day, I, cannot stand a grasshopper and i i
1251
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:53.039
have gone into dark cellars i have done yeah.
1252
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:54.539
I just those grasshoppers i can remember that you walk
1253
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.039
out in a field of not necessarily on a farm
1254
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.219
but just where the grass was high and stuff you
1255
01:06:00.260 --> 01:06:03.269
know waist high and they would just be a wave
1256
01:06:03.289 --> 01:06:06.730
of them just going every direction and something else i
1257
01:06:06.809 --> 01:06:08.449
used to do as a kid boy it sounds mean
1258
01:06:08.489 --> 01:06:11.750
now but i used to catch those bastards And, you know,
1259
01:06:11.769 --> 01:06:14.469
those big green garden spiders, the black and green ones
1260
01:06:14.510 --> 01:06:15.789
about the size of your hand.
1261
01:06:15.829 --> 01:06:16.730
Yeah, yeah.
1262
01:06:17.050 --> 01:06:18.630
I knew where there was one of those at. And
1263
01:06:18.690 --> 01:06:21.170
I usually found those because you didn't want to walk in.
1264
01:06:21.230 --> 01:06:23.530
They also call them a riding spider because they have
1265
01:06:23.570 --> 01:06:26.679
that zigzag in their web there. So you can kind
1266
01:06:26.739 --> 01:06:27.940
of see it if you're looking for it.
1267
01:06:27.949 --> 01:06:28.969
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1268
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.840
I'd catch those damn grasshoppers and throw them in the
1269
01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:35.300
spider web and say, here you go. Go visit Mr. Spider. But,
1270
01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:39.639
you know, spiders got a little snoop. They'd spit that
1271
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:40.619
stuff all over you.
1272
01:06:41.369 --> 01:06:46.550
We had the banana spiders in Huntsville, in Alabama. You'd
1273
01:06:47.130 --> 01:06:49.070
come out with your coffee to get in your car
1274
01:06:49.110 --> 01:06:51.590
and go to work in the morning. And overnight, this
1275
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:55.360
big old banana spider had made a big old nest from, say,
1276
01:06:55.380 --> 01:06:57.639
like the railing of your deck to the roof of
1277
01:06:57.659 --> 01:06:59.920
your house. It was right smack dab in the middle.
1278
01:06:59.940 --> 01:07:03.019
You might walk right into it, you know. Oh, gosh,
1279
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.039
those things are huge. Big yellow bugs.
1280
01:07:05.059 --> 01:07:07.480
That's not necessarily a fear, but I hate that. When
1281
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.010
you walk through one of those spider webs at night,
1282
01:07:10.610 --> 01:07:13.130
And then you just know it's crawling on you somewhere.
1283
01:07:13.150 --> 01:07:15.809
Well, I'll tell you what, that's a fear for all
1284
01:07:15.849 --> 01:07:20.139
time right there. You got a kid, adult, an old person,
1285
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:22.480
an elder, who knows, you know, everybody.
1286
01:07:23.219 --> 01:07:29.440
That you say an odd little factoid is a lot
1287
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.139
of people say, and I can attest to this, that
1288
01:07:32.989 --> 01:07:35.590
Sometimes when a ghost walks through you or you walk
1289
01:07:35.610 --> 01:07:37.949
through a ghost or you go partway through and you
1290
01:07:37.969 --> 01:07:39.989
don't realize it, it feels like that.
1291
01:07:40.010 --> 01:07:42.349
It feels like a spider web, like you walked through
1292
01:07:42.369 --> 01:07:44.389
a spider web. Have you ever heard that?
1293
01:07:44.929 --> 01:07:48.190
And I've walked through webs in houses and then not
1294
01:07:48.230 --> 01:07:50.650
been able to find the web or the spider or anything.
1295
01:07:50.690 --> 01:07:53.889
So it gives you pause for thought there.
1296
01:07:54.489 --> 01:07:56.909
Right through a ghost. Right through a ghost. But there
1297
01:07:56.929 --> 01:08:01.719
you go. My grasshopper story. I cannot top that. That
1298
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.590
is my... That's not the only thing I can remember. Right.
1299
01:08:06.769 --> 01:08:08.989
That's not the only thing I remember. You know, that's
1300
01:08:09.050 --> 01:08:12.960
probably one of the earliest ones because it was so traumatic. And,
1301
01:08:13.139 --> 01:08:15.059
you know, of course I can remember it in flashes.
1302
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.800
And when I'm telling the story, it's not a solid reel,
1303
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:21.079
you know, playing back, but there's flashes of that. I'll
1304
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.479
never forget, you know, especially the heads coming at me
1305
01:08:23.500 --> 01:08:26.180
and I can just remember screaming, you know, and then
1306
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.319
they're screaming on top of me. And then there's the
1307
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.579
grasshoppers were obviously making noise. And, and I, and I,
1308
01:08:32.430 --> 01:08:35.210
if you want to know the truth, retelling the story,
1309
01:08:35.229 --> 01:08:38.909
I just kind of remembered, I think like, I think
1310
01:08:38.970 --> 01:08:40.470
my grandfather was laughing.
1311
01:08:41.529 --> 01:08:45.979
And that was the worst when something just terrified you
1312
01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:50.979
and some smart aleck adult, usually many uncles would laugh
1313
01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:51.720
at me about it.
1314
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.430
Yeah. He, well, you know, he was probably laughing at
1315
01:08:54.449 --> 01:08:56.850
all those crazy women screaming and yelling and crying and
1316
01:08:56.909 --> 01:09:00.840
all the crying and, you know, because he knew, uh, hurt.
1317
01:09:01.180 --> 01:09:03.399
You know, it was just grass. I was just covered
1318
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.539
in grasshoppers. You know, if they had left me there
1319
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:10.159
a good hour, those grasshoppers probably ate me alive. No
1320
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.119
doubt in my mind. But, you know, there's one that
1321
01:09:13.220 --> 01:09:17.109
actually carried over. But oddly enough, now here's weird. This
1322
01:09:17.189 --> 01:09:20.670
is where you can tell how weird I am. Okay.
1323
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.060
I can remember not very long after that. It might've
1324
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:30.060
been a year or two. That's when I can remember
1325
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.899
that the head come, that flew at me out of the,
1326
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.819
you know, at the, at the, um, and my mom's
1327
01:09:36.939 --> 01:09:39.880
red ribbon from.
1328
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.619
Your book that I helped you with.
1329
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:46.930
Our book. So anyway, but I remember that. And although
1330
01:09:46.989 --> 01:09:50.520
I know I was screaming, um, It was not as terrifying,
1331
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:55.460
nor do I remember it as a scary thing, really,
1332
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.699
on the inside, like I do those damn grasshoppers. Now,
1333
01:09:58.779 --> 01:10:01.060
that's weird. You see what I mean?
1334
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.289
Yeah. Any kind of creepy crawlies and things like that,
1335
01:10:05.350 --> 01:10:08.449
I didn't necessarily have a fear of them. I just
1336
01:10:08.470 --> 01:10:11.029
didn't want them on me. But yeah, I walked through
1337
01:10:11.050 --> 01:10:14.609
a spider web. And we talked about crickets, too, before
1338
01:10:14.649 --> 01:10:17.390
the show. Those camel crickets, the basement crickets.
1339
01:10:17.430 --> 01:10:17.590
Yeah.
1340
01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:18.920
I hated those things.
1341
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.600
They jump at you, and they're weird.
1342
01:10:21.619 --> 01:10:24.890
They got that hump back on them, and they're, ugh, no. Now,
1343
01:10:24.899 --> 01:10:28.229
a regular house cricket or a heart cricket, I like those.
1344
01:10:28.270 --> 01:10:29.590
I can coexist with those.
1345
01:10:30.130 --> 01:10:30.789
Well, no.
1346
01:10:30.909 --> 01:10:31.590
I'm sorry.
1347
01:10:31.810 --> 01:10:34.069
Nope, nope, nope. I've got to push back. I have
1348
01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:35.890
a very broad brush when it comes to crickets. I
1349
01:10:35.909 --> 01:10:38.859
don't care if you're a locust, a cricket, a camel cricket,
1350
01:10:38.899 --> 01:10:41.340
a little cricket, a cute cricket. Listen, I had a little,
1351
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:46.069
those tiny, tiny, tiny, they're actually, if you're if you
1352
01:10:46.100 --> 01:10:47.880
don't get too close, I guess you could say they're
1353
01:10:47.899 --> 01:10:50.439
kind of cute, but they're kind of a lemon yellow
1354
01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:53.279
green and they're just tiny. They're no more than a
1355
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:56.359
half an inch. They're itty bitty. One jumped on the
1356
01:10:56.699 --> 01:10:59.699
lawn chair that I was sitting on yesterday. And I
1357
01:10:59.739 --> 01:11:01.350
looked at it and I went, dude, you got to go.
1358
01:11:01.369 --> 01:11:07.250
And I went, you know, it's just, I don't want to,
1359
01:11:07.270 --> 01:11:09.390
I can't be near him. I don't care what size. Now,
1360
01:11:09.430 --> 01:11:11.789
when I was in the army, I tell it quick
1361
01:11:11.829 --> 01:11:14.020
because this is kind of like, if you're into all that,
1362
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:17.930
those horrific stories that come back around. Like when you
1363
01:11:17.949 --> 01:11:20.189
thought Michael was dead, but you know, for sure he
1364
01:11:20.229 --> 01:11:21.909
was dead because he fell off the cliff, got hit
1365
01:11:21.930 --> 01:11:24.409
by three 18 wheelers and a bus and then rolled down.
1366
01:11:24.449 --> 01:11:27.010
And then, you know, he's dead. Sure enough, he's dead.
1367
01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:29.729
And then, you know, darn well, when she gets to
1368
01:11:29.770 --> 01:11:34.720
the house and she just, there he is, he's back. Okay.
1369
01:11:34.810 --> 01:11:40.560
So that happened to me with crickets. So it's horrific.
1370
01:11:42.260 --> 01:11:44.699
oh my god it disturbs me so bad I can't
1371
01:11:44.739 --> 01:11:47.779
tell you how bad this is so I'm in the
1372
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.300
army tough as nails we're all tough as nails of
1373
01:11:50.539 --> 01:11:53.100
course we are right we're going through this is like
1374
01:11:53.149 --> 01:11:56.869
a couple maybe the last leg or two of basic
1375
01:11:56.909 --> 01:12:00.909
training right so we're going out we're doing tactical bivouac
1376
01:12:00.930 --> 01:12:04.130
and of course they plan it to rain Fort Dix
1377
01:12:04.170 --> 01:12:09.510
New Jersey beautiful place I highly recommend it sarcasm so
1378
01:12:09.569 --> 01:12:12.199
anyway We dig a trench. We do all the things.
1379
01:12:12.229 --> 01:12:14.050
We put our tents up and all this, you know,
1380
01:12:14.270 --> 01:12:16.210
all this stuff. I'm platoon guide. I get around and
1381
01:12:16.229 --> 01:12:18.210
check all these people. I got to keep everybody safe.
1382
01:12:18.409 --> 01:12:24.220
It's pouring rain. It's mud. It's just cats and dogs.
1383
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:29.479
It's just typically wonderful training weather. I have a fever
1384
01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:34.939
of 102. My platoon assistant is starting to get sick
1385
01:12:35.510 --> 01:12:37.329
and we got to make sure everybody's on guard duty.
1386
01:12:37.369 --> 01:12:40.369
We're doing all the things. So two people come up
1387
01:12:40.449 --> 01:12:44.050
and say, look, we're taking your guard duty. You got
1388
01:12:44.069 --> 01:12:45.890
to get some sleep. You're never going to make it through.
1389
01:12:46.250 --> 01:12:50.170
We're being tough. We're figuring it out. So I say, thanks, guys.
1390
01:12:50.750 --> 01:12:52.729
I got you next time. And I go in there
1391
01:12:52.770 --> 01:12:55.989
and sleep. Well, everybody is doing their stuff. I'm the
1392
01:12:56.029 --> 01:12:59.649
only one in the tent. And we dug the ditch.
1393
01:13:00.770 --> 01:13:04.170
But it was just we were the first ones. And
1394
01:13:04.409 --> 01:13:07.510
all this like up against a hilt. And all of
1395
01:13:07.550 --> 01:13:10.140
this stuff just rushed through. All this water just rushed through,
1396
01:13:10.380 --> 01:13:12.239
pushed everything that was up on the hill down to
1397
01:13:12.300 --> 01:13:15.680
where we were. And the water was going around, but
1398
01:13:15.739 --> 01:13:18.439
everything was on the hill came down. And what came
1399
01:13:18.500 --> 01:13:24.180
down were grasshoppers. So when I woke up after they
1400
01:13:24.220 --> 01:13:28.050
let me sleep for through to go to, you know,
1401
01:13:28.090 --> 01:13:30.069
so I'm in there. I got two solid hours of sleep.
1402
01:13:30.090 --> 01:13:33.229
Lucky me. And I'm sick as a dog and just, oh,
1403
01:13:33.250 --> 01:13:36.270
it was awful. And you're just pushing through being Rambo.
1404
01:13:36.310 --> 01:13:38.789
You know, you're doing the stuff. I was the only
1405
01:13:38.909 --> 01:13:44.069
dry spot between the hill and the next series of tents.
1406
01:13:44.890 --> 01:13:47.829
So when they came and woke me up, what I
1407
01:13:47.890 --> 01:13:50.329
heard was an oh my, you know, like an oh
1408
01:13:50.369 --> 01:13:52.590
my God kind of thing. And just like, oh, geez,
1409
01:13:53.010 --> 01:13:55.159
you wake her up. I'm not going to wake her up.
1410
01:13:55.369 --> 01:13:57.489
You got to get them off her. Get what off
1411
01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.869
her is the first thing that came out of my mouth.
1412
01:14:01.340 --> 01:14:04.779
And grasshoppers head to toe, head to toe all over
1413
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.699
the inside of the tent. It was a nightmare, Steve.
1414
01:14:08.460 --> 01:14:11.720
So I don't know what I ever did to grasshoppers
1415
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.840
in another life, but apparently my karma, the karma is
1416
01:14:14.899 --> 01:14:15.460
gone with that.
1417
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.930
You've got a vendetta to settle with you. Yeah.
1418
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:25.329
But they didn't scare me as much as the dreaded quicksand.
1419
01:14:25.829 --> 01:14:29.630
Oh, yeah. We've talked about that before. And that was
1420
01:14:29.689 --> 01:14:32.029
just a product of our environment when we were kids
1421
01:14:32.050 --> 01:14:34.970
because we were a part of that TV generation from,
1422
01:14:35.010 --> 01:14:37.930
you know, the golden and silver age of television there.
1423
01:14:38.430 --> 01:14:41.960
Every show that I watched, quicksand. They got into it
1424
01:14:42.020 --> 01:14:45.140
on Bonanza. Daniel Boone got in it. Even Mingo. He
1425
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.420
was smart. You know, he was a Native American. Mingo
1426
01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:48.159
got in the quicksand.
1427
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:49.000
Yeah, Mingo got it.
1428
01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:53.500
Israel got in the quicksand. Gunsmoke, they were always good.
1429
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:54.800
Frankenstein.
1430
01:14:54.859 --> 01:14:59.310
Frankenstein. Yeah, regular horror films. in the wild kingdom you
1431
01:14:59.350 --> 01:15:02.949
know i'll stay here for the jeep while jim tries
1432
01:15:03.010 --> 01:15:06.409
to find a way around the quicksand you know the
1433
01:15:07.470 --> 01:15:14.369
anaconda i love marlin perkins but uh there was something
1434
01:15:14.430 --> 01:15:17.010
about that because they would always show you know i
1435
01:15:17.050 --> 01:15:21.149
had some kind of kids book that talked about quicksand
1436
01:15:21.210 --> 01:15:23.800
and it showed like a team of oxen being sucked
1437
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:24.960
down into there, you know.
1438
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:25.720
Oh, my God.
1439
01:15:25.939 --> 01:15:28.130
There's no hope. You know, if you got quicksand, you
1440
01:15:28.149 --> 01:15:31.569
were done for. Nobody could get out of it. We
1441
01:15:31.590 --> 01:15:35.729
had seven natural springs there, six of them flowed out
1442
01:15:35.750 --> 01:15:38.899
of hillsides. One of them was artesian. It went on
1443
01:15:38.939 --> 01:15:41.520
down into what was once a river. It was a
1444
01:15:41.539 --> 01:15:43.779
lake when I was a kid. So it was swampy,
1445
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.819
marshy in areas. And there was mud down there that
1446
01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:50.909
would pull your boots off or shoe away. No quicksand
1447
01:15:50.939 --> 01:15:52.439
that I know of, but that was, I thought, well,
1448
01:15:52.460 --> 01:15:54.899
you know, if there's water, then there's mud that'll take
1449
01:15:54.939 --> 01:15:59.079
your boots, then quicksand can't be far behind. But as
1450
01:15:59.100 --> 01:16:00.800
far as I know, I've never seen it. And, you know,
1451
01:16:00.819 --> 01:16:03.739
you see those old westerns and they're riding out through
1452
01:16:03.779 --> 01:16:05.819
the desert and all of a sudden it's quicksand, you know,
1453
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:06.260
and they're in it.
1454
01:16:06.300 --> 01:16:06.539
Yeah.
1455
01:16:06.619 --> 01:16:09.760
What's going on? And the worst thing you can do
1456
01:16:09.819 --> 01:16:12.500
is struggle. That's exactly what I would have done. If
1457
01:16:12.539 --> 01:16:15.239
I found myself in quicksand, I would have done a Wattusi.
1458
01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:18.500
You know, that just makes you sink faster. Oh, my God.
1459
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:23.800
There's no, you can't, I think it's so terrifying because
1460
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.699
there's no defense against it. Do you see what I mean?
1461
01:16:26.810 --> 01:16:30.850
If you go anywhere, you know, now people who live
1462
01:16:30.869 --> 01:16:33.229
in cities and always lived in cities and never ventured
1463
01:16:33.289 --> 01:16:35.640
outside the cities probably wouldn't have this fear.
1464
01:16:35.819 --> 01:16:39.289
Probably not much quicksand either. New York City or Portland.
1465
01:16:39.310 --> 01:16:43.979
Right, right. But in New Jersey, we had lots of marshes.
1466
01:16:44.229 --> 01:16:46.979
I mean, Atlantic City was a marsh, you know. I mean,
1467
01:16:47.020 --> 01:16:50.439
there's quite a bit of marsh, you know. All Washington, D.C.
1468
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:54.140
was a swamp, you know. Middlelands was a swamp. I mean,
1469
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:54.920
there's quite a bit.
1470
01:16:55.220 --> 01:16:56.779
And all that area, too. Right, right.
1471
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.279
You know? So, I mean, there was places and I,
1472
01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:02.699
you and I, I remember when we first, the first
1473
01:17:02.739 --> 01:17:04.640
conversation we ever had, we brought this up and we
1474
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:07.359
were talking about Frankenstein in the quicksand and we were,
1475
01:17:07.810 --> 01:17:10.569
and there was a movie that he was in with
1476
01:17:11.130 --> 01:17:15.789
werewolf and somehow they went through the quicksand and the
1477
01:17:15.850 --> 01:17:19.449
next scene or the next movie, they were in the
1478
01:17:20.329 --> 01:17:23.050
frozen in the ice or something. Do you remember that?
1479
01:17:23.470 --> 01:17:26.890
Yeah. I can't remember. I get all those movies. run
1480
01:17:26.970 --> 01:17:28.829
together in my head but i remember that they were
1481
01:17:28.869 --> 01:17:31.229
frozen in that ice and.
1482
01:17:31.170 --> 01:17:34.909
Then something costello came along let him loose or something
1483
01:17:34.949 --> 01:17:37.949
i can't remember but anyway they got there through the
1484
01:17:37.989 --> 01:17:41.979
quicksand i remember being as a kid going did they
1485
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:44.119
fall through the quicksand and wind up in the ice
1486
01:17:44.180 --> 01:17:46.859
i can't wrap my head around this and you didn't
1487
01:17:46.899 --> 01:17:48.640
have an explanation he was.
1488
01:17:48.539 --> 01:17:50.699
Probably fleet of foot he like dog man or something
1489
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:51.939
you know he could probably make it out of the
1490
01:17:51.979 --> 01:17:55.920
quicksand But Frankenstein, he was a big old heavy mofo,
1491
01:17:55.939 --> 01:17:59.640
you know, boots and stuff. He did. Yeah, he was
1492
01:17:59.699 --> 01:18:00.340
out of sight.
1493
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:03.180
He was always so sad. He was always just he
1494
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.520
was kind of like a mummy. But just you know
1495
01:18:05.539 --> 01:18:07.770
what I mean? They were just like reluctant monsters. They
1496
01:18:07.779 --> 01:18:10.970
just go, you know, where.
1497
01:18:10.510 --> 01:18:12.880
It was a mummy to. I was never scared of
1498
01:18:12.899 --> 01:18:14.250
the mummy. Just run away from it.
1499
01:18:14.270 --> 01:18:15.199
Just run away.
1500
01:18:15.229 --> 01:18:17.270
Grab the edge of the bandage there and run and
1501
01:18:17.289 --> 01:18:19.770
then spin him like a top or toss a.
1502
01:18:19.710 --> 01:18:22.569
Little match at him. Didn't he have some kind of hypnotic?
1503
01:18:23.189 --> 01:18:26.510
But you know what? So did Dracula, though. They had
1504
01:18:26.550 --> 01:18:30.409
that hypno thing where they could just make you do stupid,
1505
01:18:30.470 --> 01:18:32.409
back up into a corner, screaming.
1506
01:18:32.430 --> 01:18:35.390
I remember his version of Dracula. He'd do that thing
1507
01:18:35.430 --> 01:18:37.250
with his hand, you know, where he's doing like a
1508
01:18:37.289 --> 01:18:40.090
claw motion. You were just mesmerized.
1509
01:18:40.109 --> 01:18:41.609
You couldn't escape.
1510
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.260
And I'm sure all those universal monsters had something similar
1511
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.949
to that, some ability to freeze you. But yeah.
1512
01:18:50.550 --> 01:18:53.109
It's a running theme, Steve. It's a running theme.
1513
01:18:53.189 --> 01:18:54.829
I think I could have got away from it, but
1514
01:18:54.949 --> 01:18:58.229
then again, it was relentless. I mean, just no matter
1515
01:18:58.270 --> 01:19:01.029
how far you ran, Frankenstein never got tired. He was
1516
01:19:01.060 --> 01:19:04.039
still stomping along out there. You got home, got in bed,
1517
01:19:05.220 --> 01:19:07.199
trying to go to sleep. You just got away from
1518
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.529
Frankenstein's monster. And then all of a sudden you look
1519
01:19:09.590 --> 01:19:12.430
out the window. There he comes. Stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp.
1520
01:19:12.449 --> 01:19:15.760
You know, I had to shut my mouth, which is
1521
01:19:15.819 --> 01:19:20.199
odd for me, and admit I was wrong because for
1522
01:19:20.300 --> 01:19:23.180
years I was making fun of those Michael movies. I
1523
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.659
think I told you this. Yeah. But the Michael movies
1524
01:19:26.699 --> 01:19:29.090
where he's just walking real slow at people and the
1525
01:19:29.229 --> 01:19:32.829
women are just losing their minds and spraining ankles and
1526
01:19:32.869 --> 01:19:36.189
falling over things and falling out windows and off cliffs
1527
01:19:36.250 --> 01:19:39.289
and all kinds of– he's just walking. And I would
1528
01:19:39.390 --> 01:19:42.029
tease my boys because they'd be watching this stuff. And,
1529
01:19:42.260 --> 01:19:44.479
you know, my ex would be sitting there watching. I'm like,
1530
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.159
that's not scary. It's just a guy walking down the street. Just,
1531
01:19:47.220 --> 01:19:49.979
you know, what the heck? What is this? How are
1532
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.720
you making 10 movies about this? You know? And so
1533
01:19:53.859 --> 01:19:57.159
one Halloween when the boys got too old to go
1534
01:19:57.199 --> 01:19:59.300
trick or treating, they know how disappointed I was about
1535
01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:01.579
that because I didn't get to make costumes. And you
1536
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.989
know what I mean? And I was heartbroken. So they
1537
01:20:04.369 --> 01:20:09.380
surprised me by taking me to a local restaurant. Haunted house, firehouse,
1538
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:11.159
whatever it was. They did a great job, too. It
1539
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:12.039
was really very good.
1540
01:20:12.220 --> 01:20:12.619
Very good.
1541
01:20:12.659 --> 01:20:15.399
I was very impressed. But anyway, the firehouse, I mean.
1542
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.890
So I go in there and they had a ghost
1543
01:20:19.930 --> 01:20:22.569
host or whatever you call it. Top hat guy, no tails.
1544
01:20:22.609 --> 01:20:25.369
They did the whole schmiel. And they were each doing
1545
01:20:25.390 --> 01:20:28.390
a good job, like I said. So going all the
1546
01:20:28.430 --> 01:20:31.029
way through, I was so thrilled by then to have
1547
01:20:31.069 --> 01:20:33.750
Halloween and all this stuff and be scared by a
1548
01:20:33.909 --> 01:20:36.880
scary clown. I had a great time. And it wasn't
1549
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:40.899
over the top. There wasn't anybody pulling anybody apart or
1550
01:20:40.939 --> 01:20:45.640
anything like that. It was just really thoughtful, scary stuff.
1551
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:48.020
Like this one clown came at me, and he was
1552
01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:51.020
on stilts, and I knew it. I knew it. You
1553
01:20:51.060 --> 01:20:53.000
know my history with haunted houses, Mr.
1554
01:20:53.060 --> 01:20:54.020
Stockton.
1555
01:20:54.420 --> 01:20:59.770
I'll take out a Frankenstein. I don't trust myself. I'm
1556
01:20:59.810 --> 01:21:02.010
holding on to my son. I got my hands under
1557
01:21:02.069 --> 01:21:04.689
his down vest so I don't hit anybody that jumps
1558
01:21:04.789 --> 01:21:08.020
at me. And this clown just leans down out of
1559
01:21:08.090 --> 01:21:10.130
nowhere and gets in my face real close. And I
1560
01:21:10.149 --> 01:21:12.949
just screamed. I just thought it was great. And then
1561
01:21:13.909 --> 01:21:15.449
he just kind of backed up. I went, do it again,
1562
01:21:15.489 --> 01:21:16.989
do it again. And he did it again. And we screamed.
1563
01:21:17.010 --> 01:21:19.930
We had a great time. So anyway, I come out.
1564
01:21:20.369 --> 01:21:22.289
And I wanted to say thank you to the maitre d'.
1565
01:21:22.229 --> 01:21:24.319
I said, man, give him a fist bump. I said, man,
1566
01:21:24.340 --> 01:21:26.579
you guys did great. Good for you guys doing this,
1567
01:21:26.619 --> 01:21:30.039
you know. And I turn around. And my son, well,
1568
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:31.819
I didn't turn around. I looked at my son's faces.
1569
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:38.149
And they're looking behind me. I'm like, what? And I
1570
01:21:38.210 --> 01:21:40.149
know that look, and I don't want to turn around.
1571
01:21:40.949 --> 01:21:43.720
And they just smile, and I'm like, oh, God, no.
1572
01:21:44.300 --> 01:21:47.199
And it's Michael. And he just stands there, and I
1573
01:21:47.220 --> 01:21:50.659
start walking away. He's following me. That son of a
1574
01:21:50.699 --> 01:21:54.039
gun followed me around the whole parking lot. My sons
1575
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.800
are cracking up. Half the people there are cracking up
1576
01:21:56.819 --> 01:21:58.699
because I'm like, all right, I admit it. It's scary.
1577
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:02.590
Stop it. I don't want to hit you. Quit chasing me.
1578
01:22:02.649 --> 01:22:04.630
And I'm doing the thing the women do in the
1579
01:22:04.670 --> 01:22:08.069
damn movie, Steve. I didn't sprain an ankle. But you
1580
01:22:08.109 --> 01:22:09.899
know what I mean? It's like you can't help it.
1581
01:22:10.689 --> 01:22:14.479
It's weird. And he chased me all the way. He
1582
01:22:14.539 --> 01:22:16.199
didn't chase me. He followed me all the way to
1583
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:17.840
my car. And I go to get my car. My
1584
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:21.000
car door is locked. And my son's just cracked up laughing.
1585
01:22:21.020 --> 01:22:23.319
And that was it. And I knew I'd been had.
1586
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:25.680
And he got right up against me. I didn't know
1587
01:22:25.699 --> 01:22:31.369
what else to do. So I just hugged him. But
1588
01:22:31.470 --> 01:22:34.010
it was so scary. I got to admit it was scary.
1589
01:22:34.810 --> 01:22:36.909
You get worked up. You get worked up.
1590
01:22:37.350 --> 01:22:41.510
The clowns themselves don't really bother me, but. Ripley's believe
1591
01:22:41.529 --> 01:22:43.810
it or not in Gatlinburg Tennessee they used to have
1592
01:22:43.890 --> 01:22:48.250
a wax figure of a clown and that thing's eyes
1593
01:22:48.449 --> 01:22:51.409
looked real and I would stand there and watch that
1594
01:22:51.470 --> 01:22:53.729
thing as a kid like I know it's going to
1595
01:22:53.770 --> 01:22:55.489
move I know it's going to do something it's going
1596
01:22:55.510 --> 01:22:57.270
to blink it's going to try to grab me it
1597
01:22:57.310 --> 01:22:59.680
didn't because it was a wax figure but still there
1598
01:22:59.699 --> 01:23:02.359
was just something creepy about that same with any of
1599
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:06.479
those mannequins or wax figures wax museum or something like
1600
01:23:06.500 --> 01:23:08.600
that they just I think it's cause they look so
1601
01:23:08.689 --> 01:23:10.899
real and then they don't move or do anything that,
1602
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:12.739
that was frightening to me as a child.
1603
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:13.000
Yeah.
1604
01:23:13.699 --> 01:23:16.720
Well, I'll tell you what, my friend is, you know,
1605
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.380
a lot of people, they might laugh at, I just
1606
01:23:19.420 --> 01:23:21.020
wanted to say before we let quick say and go
1607
01:23:21.060 --> 01:23:24.460
completely that that stuff scared me to death. I have
1608
01:23:24.500 --> 01:23:27.859
to say between that and, you know, your, your, your
1609
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.000
other stuff, you know, fear stuff that you see your
1610
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.039
parents not coming home, you know, stuff like that, you know,
1611
01:23:33.539 --> 01:23:35.260
that that's, that scared the hell out of the kid,
1612
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:40.159
you know, but, um, That quicksand, I can remember my mom,
1613
01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.840
we would drive to a certain place. I can't remember
1614
01:23:42.899 --> 01:23:47.399
what aunt that we went to go see. And like
1615
01:23:47.470 --> 01:23:49.329
once or twice a year or something like that. And
1616
01:23:49.390 --> 01:23:51.569
every time we went over this one bridge, we'd have
1617
01:23:51.590 --> 01:23:53.229
the cat of nine tails and all this stuff. And
1618
01:23:53.250 --> 01:23:56.409
you'd see this big old kind of watery looking sand.
1619
01:23:56.470 --> 01:23:59.720
And I would always, every time we went, I'd have
1620
01:23:59.729 --> 01:24:02.680
to ask her, is that quicksand? And she said, yeah,
1621
01:24:02.699 --> 01:24:06.500
it is. And to know that stuff actually existed in
1622
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:07.760
the place I lived.
1623
01:24:07.779 --> 01:24:10.399
I remember asking my dad. Mine was more generic. Daddy,
1624
01:24:10.500 --> 01:24:15.890
is quicksand real? Yeah. I didn't go into the specifics.
1625
01:24:15.949 --> 01:24:18.430
But I thought, well, if it's real, then it's everywhere.
1626
01:24:18.489 --> 01:24:20.329
And I run the risk of it when I'm out
1627
01:24:20.369 --> 01:24:21.090
playing in the woods.
1628
01:24:21.109 --> 01:24:26.689
Exactly. Exactly. You know? I mean, that's terrifying. I mean,
1629
01:24:26.789 --> 01:24:29.409
I think that's part of the childhood fears, too, is
1630
01:24:29.949 --> 01:24:33.689
realizing because your world changes, you know, and of course,
1631
01:24:33.750 --> 01:24:38.810
not every. Unfortunately, not every child has a good upbringing
1632
01:24:38.989 --> 01:24:41.390
and their nightmares are real, you know, and taking into
1633
01:24:41.430 --> 01:24:43.760
consideration for that, if you were lucky enough to have
1634
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:49.770
a normal childhood, regular, you know. household and safe and
1635
01:24:49.810 --> 01:24:53.630
everything was cool inside your home. You only kind of came,
1636
01:24:53.949 --> 01:24:57.029
the world only came in through the people you knew
1637
01:24:57.090 --> 01:24:59.289
that came into that house or, you know, you start
1638
01:24:59.310 --> 01:25:02.149
going to school, you start, you know, getting all that
1639
01:25:02.189 --> 01:25:04.390
kind of stuff. I mean, for us, it was such
1640
01:25:04.449 --> 01:25:07.569
a small world at first. And when those things creeped
1641
01:25:07.689 --> 01:25:11.300
in and you started to realize that monsters could be real,
1642
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:16.250
you know, whether it's quicksand or you know, a stranger danger,
1643
01:25:16.270 --> 01:25:19.069
you know, when you start hearing about that or stuff like,
1644
01:25:19.710 --> 01:25:21.770
you know, would you always, the thing under the bed,
1645
01:25:21.829 --> 01:25:25.319
the thing in the closet, the thing at the window,
1646
01:25:25.340 --> 01:25:27.279
you know, those things.
1647
01:25:27.300 --> 01:25:29.600
That stuff didn't scare me. I liked stuff like that.
1648
01:25:29.659 --> 01:25:32.560
I liked the scary stuff. The one that you kind
1649
01:25:32.619 --> 01:25:35.520
of touched on that was my probably greatest fear as
1650
01:25:35.579 --> 01:25:39.210
a small child was the fear of being lost or abandoned.
1651
01:25:39.850 --> 01:25:40.109
Yes.
1652
01:25:40.149 --> 01:25:40.970
I'd have nightmares.
1653
01:25:40.989 --> 01:25:41.090
Yes.
1654
01:25:41.470 --> 01:25:43.529
Where I was somewhere with my mother, I'd look around
1655
01:25:43.609 --> 01:25:45.909
and she was gone. And I didn't know where she
1656
01:25:45.970 --> 01:25:47.789
was or how I was going to get home. These
1657
01:25:47.810 --> 01:25:52.170
were dreams. But I've been lost in an apartment store before.
1658
01:25:52.649 --> 01:25:55.569
Messing with something, playing in the clothes racks. Look around,
1659
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.319
my mom's gone. Can't find her. Panic, screaming, you know,
1660
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:01.960
where's my mommy? You know, that kind of thing. That
1661
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:05.220
was a big fear to me. And another one that
1662
01:26:05.260 --> 01:26:07.500
I used to dream about a lot was where I'd
1663
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:10.310
be in the car going somewhere with my mom. And
1664
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:12.630
then all of a sudden there's nobody driving the car
1665
01:26:12.949 --> 01:26:13.989
and I'm in the back seat.
1666
01:26:14.670 --> 01:26:15.569
Oh my gosh.
1667
01:26:15.850 --> 01:26:16.949
I don't know how to drive. I can't.
1668
01:26:17.109 --> 01:26:17.970
Oh my gosh.
1669
01:26:18.369 --> 01:26:22.689
Those, those nightmares faded away after I learned how to drive.
1670
01:26:22.729 --> 01:26:25.850
I no longer had those fears, but now I've had
1671
01:26:25.989 --> 01:26:28.220
dreams like that where I was in a plane and
1672
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.680
suddenly there's nobody flying the plane. Like what am I
1673
01:26:30.699 --> 01:26:35.439
going to do? So it was that loss of control
1674
01:26:35.460 --> 01:26:39.409
being in a situation where you can't control I think
1675
01:26:39.430 --> 01:26:44.470
that's a real fear in childhood and otherwise. And another
1676
01:26:44.550 --> 01:26:46.909
one that used to get me was being kidnapped. I
1677
01:26:46.949 --> 01:26:50.670
don't know where that even came from, probably watching TV
1678
01:26:50.710 --> 01:26:53.710
or something. But I remember watching my dad leave for
1679
01:26:53.770 --> 01:26:55.890
work in the mornings and thinking, you know, I hope
1680
01:26:55.909 --> 01:26:58.909
I don't get kidnapped. Whatever it was, it's like my mom,
1681
01:26:59.090 --> 01:27:00.970
you know, she would have protected me just as fiercely,
1682
01:27:00.989 --> 01:27:02.829
if not more so than my dad. But I thought,
1683
01:27:03.329 --> 01:27:05.350
you know, my dad's not here. I could get kidnapped.
1684
01:27:06.100 --> 01:27:08.739
And I remember talking to my mom, I said, mom,
1685
01:27:09.500 --> 01:27:11.460
what if I get kidnapped? And she's like, well, go
1686
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:13.239
bring you back.
1687
01:27:14.340 --> 01:27:17.699
Yeah. I mean, you know, isn't it great when parents
1688
01:27:17.729 --> 01:27:22.350
had comebacks like that? You know, I love, you know,
1689
01:27:22.449 --> 01:27:24.409
the nostalgia, you know, I've been looking a lot back,
1690
01:27:24.449 --> 01:27:28.069
you know, the fifties, the forties, the, you know, sixties even,
1691
01:27:28.850 --> 01:27:31.300
but the parents, it was just different. We were, I
1692
01:27:31.340 --> 01:27:34.109
was joking about, with you, I remember we were texting
1693
01:27:34.130 --> 01:27:36.810
back and forth and when it was time for company
1694
01:27:36.850 --> 01:27:39.170
to go home, but you didn't, they weren't taking the hint.
1695
01:27:39.189 --> 01:27:43.090
And I said, back in this, my aunt and uncle's house,
1696
01:27:43.289 --> 01:27:45.430
it was, it was a typical little town, you know,
1697
01:27:46.689 --> 01:27:50.670
in 1972, whatever Italian, you know, company, there was special
1698
01:27:50.729 --> 01:27:53.770
food for the company or special coffee for company, you know, company,
1699
01:27:54.250 --> 01:27:56.949
you know, that kind of thing. Company was welcome, but
1700
01:27:56.970 --> 01:28:00.550
there was a time limit and, And so my aunt
1701
01:28:00.569 --> 01:28:02.670
would just start taking up the dishes and start taking
1702
01:28:02.689 --> 01:28:04.909
the coffee and stuff away. My uncle would just go around,
1703
01:28:04.930 --> 01:28:06.140
start shutting off lights.
1704
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:10.739
Turn the stereo off and start turning the lights out
1705
01:28:10.779 --> 01:28:12.479
and people get the hint.
1706
01:28:13.449 --> 01:28:18.550
I thought that was so funny i could not get
1707
01:28:18.630 --> 01:28:21.060
over that i'm like you go man i just thought
1708
01:28:21.100 --> 01:28:23.979
that was hysterical i walked by he was doing.
1709
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.140
That i was at a friend's house one night we
1710
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.159
were watching i think it was like the network premiere
1711
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.100
of king kong's this would have been in the 70s
1712
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:36.329
and my friend and i were there of course my
1713
01:28:36.369 --> 01:28:39.680
friend's mom and dad two or three of his sisters
1714
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:41.880
and their boyfriends were there. We're all in the living
1715
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.739
room sitting there and just Google light at the television.
1716
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:47.460
And then at the end, the credits are rolling. His
1717
01:28:47.500 --> 01:28:50.489
dad stands up and says, everybody go home. And that
1718
01:28:50.689 --> 01:28:52.590
was it. And he shut the TV off, turned the
1719
01:28:52.609 --> 01:28:58.600
lights out and That was a very subtle. OK, party's over.
1720
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:00.100
Everybody leave. I'm going to bed.
1721
01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:04.479
I just think it's so funny. You know, it's like
1722
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:07.720
people you describe stuff like that. It's like you don't understand.
1723
01:29:07.739 --> 01:29:11.300
There was special dishes. there was the company dish you
1724
01:29:11.340 --> 01:29:13.520
know what i mean the good china you know might
1725
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:15.319
not even been good china there might have been three
1726
01:29:15.340 --> 01:29:17.319
different kinds it might have been the good china company
1727
01:29:17.380 --> 01:29:20.279
dishes and the regular every day i'm not sure but
1728
01:29:20.310 --> 01:29:22.890
they had stuff like that and it's just that's that
1729
01:29:22.930 --> 01:29:25.550
kind of thing has changed you know i think.
1730
01:29:25.130 --> 01:29:27.510
Too we had the good living room that was for
1731
01:29:27.569 --> 01:29:30.010
company i had to stay out of there unless i
1732
01:29:30.050 --> 01:29:32.069
was in there studying or something because the lighting was
1733
01:29:32.109 --> 01:29:34.449
real good or um that was where we had our
1734
01:29:34.470 --> 01:29:35.869
christmas tree i could go in there and look at
1735
01:29:35.890 --> 01:29:39.189
the christmas lights but You stayed out. That was verboten.
1736
01:29:39.229 --> 01:29:41.069
You didn't go in the good living room. You didn't
1737
01:29:41.109 --> 01:29:43.590
put your feet up on the couch or anything like that.
1738
01:29:43.810 --> 01:29:47.449
And also, when we had guests over, my mom would
1739
01:29:47.489 --> 01:29:50.229
serve them Coca-Cola in those little green bottles. Remember those?
1740
01:29:50.250 --> 01:29:53.359
Like a six ounce bottle of Coke. And she'd put
1741
01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:55.909
a a paper towel around it, you know, when she
1742
01:29:55.949 --> 01:29:58.750
handed it to me. Wow, that's not fast. These are
1743
01:29:58.770 --> 01:30:01.560
special gifts. They got the paper towel with their card
1744
01:30:02.220 --> 01:30:03.600
in it.
1745
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:07.039
Isn't it funny? Oh, my gosh. I remember when they
1746
01:30:07.100 --> 01:30:09.520
used to get together and play bridge. I used to
1747
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:11.739
love getting up on a Sunday morning after a Saturday
1748
01:30:11.779 --> 01:30:14.859
night card game because you'd go around the table, and
1749
01:30:14.939 --> 01:30:17.100
sometimes you'd get lucky to leave a little change on
1750
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:20.539
the table. Sometimes it'd be candies, that bridge mix that had, like,
1751
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:22.520
you know, the– the pink and the white and the
1752
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:24.829
chocolate that look kind of, kind of look like it
1753
01:30:24.850 --> 01:30:27.930
should taste like coconut, but never really did, you know,
1754
01:30:28.390 --> 01:30:30.109
and it might be the red and white mints and
1755
01:30:30.149 --> 01:30:30.869
the other stuff.
1756
01:30:31.449 --> 01:30:34.489
My parents didn't say cards, but my mom had friends
1757
01:30:34.569 --> 01:30:38.460
that had Tupperware parties and I was known to raid
1758
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:41.640
the table after the Tupperware party broke up and everybody's leaving.
1759
01:30:41.659 --> 01:30:44.550
There was those candies, like you talked about mixed nuts and,
1760
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:47.239
Maybe a couple of bottles of soda left behind that
1761
01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:50.600
I'd stick one in each pocket while the ladies were
1762
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.060
all standing by out in the driveway. I'd load my
1763
01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:55.479
pockets up and head out the door, the other door.
1764
01:30:55.619 --> 01:30:59.720
And those little bitty sandwiches and stuff they'd bring out.
1765
01:31:00.500 --> 01:31:05.550
Like a finger sandwich, a minute cheese or bologna or
1766
01:31:05.590 --> 01:31:07.229
something cut into quarters.
1767
01:31:08.069 --> 01:31:09.829
I'll tell you what, my mom could whip up a
1768
01:31:09.890 --> 01:31:12.250
coffee cake faster than they could come in the door.
1769
01:31:13.270 --> 01:31:17.130
I've never seen anybody whip up something for company, you know?
1770
01:31:17.270 --> 01:31:21.170
And it's like, it's, it's very strange how we've moved
1771
01:31:21.210 --> 01:31:23.670
away from that because I've noticed now a lot of
1772
01:31:23.710 --> 01:31:27.350
the generation of people saying, what do you regret the
1773
01:31:27.369 --> 01:31:30.289
most that you spent time, whatever on, you know, what
1774
01:31:30.310 --> 01:31:32.260
would you go back and not do? He said the
1775
01:31:32.300 --> 01:31:34.760
stuff that was so important for us to have the
1776
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:38.180
match in China, the match in the gravy boat, the,
1777
01:31:39.060 --> 01:31:41.300
Do you know where I'm coming from? The good China
1778
01:31:41.340 --> 01:31:43.260
where people would display it. They were so proud to
1779
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:43.680
have it.
1780
01:31:43.739 --> 01:31:45.119
My mom had a China cabinet.
1781
01:31:45.659 --> 01:31:45.960
Yeah.
1782
01:31:45.979 --> 01:31:48.399
I think it was Wedgwood. It was an expensive China.
1783
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:52.619
Her mother each got a set. And both houses, it
1784
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.600
stayed in the China cabinet. I don't remember ever taking
1785
01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:57.960
that out even for company. It was, like you said,
1786
01:31:58.020 --> 01:32:00.550
it was put up to be displayed and looked at.
1787
01:32:01.010 --> 01:32:03.489
And we had dishes that we ate off of and
1788
01:32:03.510 --> 01:32:06.489
then dishes for company. But the good China stayed in
1789
01:32:06.529 --> 01:32:07.350
the China cabinet.
1790
01:32:07.869 --> 01:32:10.979
Right. The only time I was ever allowed.
1791
01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:13.170
To get anywhere near it was to dust all that
1792
01:32:13.210 --> 01:32:13.829
and put it back.
1793
01:32:14.609 --> 01:32:17.770
But do you know how proud a woman would be,
1794
01:32:17.890 --> 01:32:20.310
you know, to put out the turkey, you know, whatever,
1795
01:32:20.350 --> 01:32:23.350
and have the platter match in the, you know, the table,
1796
01:32:23.409 --> 01:32:25.890
to set the table. I mean, it's so strange to
1797
01:32:26.149 --> 01:32:28.789
bring up. And you have.
1798
01:32:28.550 --> 01:32:32.130
A centerpiece, a cornucopia, you know, with a wax fruit
1799
01:32:32.170 --> 01:32:32.609
or something.
1800
01:32:32.670 --> 01:32:36.880
Or a silver service. Remember how important that was? Everybody
1801
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.000
had a silver service. You got that when you got married.
1802
01:32:40.899 --> 01:32:43.460
If you were a kid, that was dusting and polishing
1803
01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:48.229
the silver. And so other than just a rare special occasion,
1804
01:32:48.630 --> 01:32:50.130
we never used the silver service.
1805
01:32:51.010 --> 01:32:53.449
They brought all that stuff over from England when they
1806
01:32:53.489 --> 01:32:56.449
came over here and did the colonies. I'm doing the, the,
1807
01:32:56.550 --> 01:32:58.810
you know, the revolutionary warrior right now and looking back,
1808
01:32:59.289 --> 01:33:01.550
but to think how proud they were to have those
1809
01:33:01.630 --> 01:33:09.079
few matching things and be able to, yeah. Clear on
1810
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.220
through and it, and it hit, you know, I think
1811
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:15.340
it hit the 2020 and by then it was, it's,
1812
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:17.279
it was almost gone because a lot of people, they
1813
01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:20.000
say they, the people they want to hand it down to,
1814
01:33:20.060 --> 01:33:21.859
they don't want it or they don't have any place
1815
01:33:21.899 --> 01:33:24.159
for it. They don't have room. They don't, it's not
1816
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.619
the same where you have, you know what I mean? It's,
1817
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:31.479
it changed so much. And I think childhood fears are
1818
01:33:31.500 --> 01:33:34.689
going to change that much too, because to look back at,
1819
01:33:34.989 --> 01:33:36.810
you know, what I was like in the sixties.
1820
01:33:37.130 --> 01:33:39.590
What are kids afraid of these days? You know, school
1821
01:33:39.630 --> 01:33:41.090
shootings or something like that.
1822
01:33:41.130 --> 01:33:41.449
Yeah.
1823
01:33:42.289 --> 01:33:43.229
How much has it changed?
1824
01:33:43.250 --> 01:33:45.250
I have no frame of reference for that. I hated school.
1825
01:33:45.270 --> 01:33:46.149
It was a passion.
1826
01:33:46.750 --> 01:33:46.949
Yep.
1827
01:33:47.869 --> 01:33:49.250
Even though I was, I was good at it and
1828
01:33:49.289 --> 01:33:50.930
made good grades and stuff, but I just didn't want
1829
01:33:50.949 --> 01:33:54.649
to be there. Bullies and teachers that I clashed with
1830
01:33:54.729 --> 01:33:56.699
and things like that. But it never occurred to me
1831
01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.720
to go get my dad's rifle and come and shoot
1832
01:33:58.779 --> 01:34:01.560
up the school. You know, just never, never thought of that.
1833
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:05.779
Well, where we, where my sons went, they, uh, you
1834
01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:07.619
go in the parking lot any time of the day
1835
01:34:07.659 --> 01:34:14.220
in Huntsville, Alabama, you know, any place really, uh, And
1836
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:17.619
I'm not talking rural. You know, Huntsville is like the
1837
01:34:17.659 --> 01:34:21.319
number three metropolitan, you know, little city.
1838
01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:24.239
It's a closed campus or metal detector.
1839
01:34:24.310 --> 01:34:25.430
They have gun rack.
1840
01:34:25.739 --> 01:34:30.569
Security officer, you know. I went back, you know, to
1841
01:34:30.609 --> 01:34:33.189
my high school, not even the one I graduated from
1842
01:34:33.229 --> 01:34:36.590
the new school to get my transcripts parked, walked right in.
1843
01:34:36.689 --> 01:34:39.210
Nobody questioned me. Nobody stopped me. I went to the office.
1844
01:34:39.250 --> 01:34:43.140
You know, nowadays you get near a school. what are
1845
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.479
you doing here you have to wand you and walk
1846
01:34:45.500 --> 01:34:50.010
you through yeah I remember when I was a kid
1847
01:34:50.350 --> 01:34:52.750
playing out on the playground and some of the older
1848
01:34:52.789 --> 01:34:55.069
people that lived around the school would come and hang
1849
01:34:55.130 --> 01:34:57.409
out on the playground with the kids you know there
1850
01:34:57.430 --> 01:34:59.550
was an old man they called Mutt Lee I don't
1851
01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.819
know what his real name was he would come and
1852
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:04.939
sit on the swings you know and talk to those
1853
01:35:04.979 --> 01:35:07.000
kids and stuff and he was probably in his 60s
1854
01:35:07.060 --> 01:35:10.119
or 70s you know this was at a time before
1855
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:13.420
stranger danger and Bad touch and things like that. As
1856
01:35:13.460 --> 01:35:16.880
far as I know, nobody ever got molested. But, you know,
1857
01:35:17.619 --> 01:35:20.100
he was just a fixture. He was around. He would
1858
01:35:20.140 --> 01:35:22.090
live near the school. He would come and hang out there.
1859
01:35:22.819 --> 01:35:26.350
Yeah. I mean, without a doubt, honey, we've come a
1860
01:35:26.350 --> 01:35:28.630
long way from the Waltons. But, you know, it's just
1861
01:35:28.670 --> 01:35:32.270
so funny. I remember sitting there and not thinking anything
1862
01:35:32.329 --> 01:35:35.750
of seeing a pickup truck in the school parking lot. with,
1863
01:35:35.970 --> 01:35:37.210
you know, two guns in the rack.
1864
01:35:37.470 --> 01:35:37.829
Oh, yeah.
1865
01:35:37.930 --> 01:35:40.770
And again, there was never any problem.
1866
01:35:42.229 --> 01:35:45.340
They'd go out, they were either hunting raccoons or possums
1867
01:35:45.420 --> 01:35:47.659
or something that you hunted at night. They would go
1868
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:50.239
out and hunt and then show up in time for school,
1869
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:52.439
you know, at 7 o'clock in the morning and still
1870
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.100
have their guns in the rack of their pickup truck.
1871
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:56.060
Yeah.
1872
01:35:56.140 --> 01:35:58.479
Nowadays, you pull onto a school parking lot with guns
1873
01:35:58.539 --> 01:36:01.119
in a rack, they tase you and put you under
1874
01:36:01.140 --> 01:36:03.739
the prison, probably. Yeah. Yeah.
1875
01:36:04.539 --> 01:36:07.180
Yeah. I mean, it's strange, like you said, to come
1876
01:36:07.220 --> 01:36:08.739
a long way from the water. They're putting something in
1877
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:09.119
the water.
1878
01:36:09.460 --> 01:36:12.380
And then stuff that my mom was afraid of back
1879
01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:15.020
when she was a little girl, their fears were rabid
1880
01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:20.310
dogs because that was a thing. And TB, tuberculosis. I
1881
01:36:20.350 --> 01:36:23.149
remember it was like I'd bring home some old book
1882
01:36:23.210 --> 01:36:25.430
from the flea market or something. She'd take it and
1883
01:36:25.489 --> 01:36:27.949
spray it real good with Lysol, you know, that. Whoever
1884
01:36:27.970 --> 01:36:31.020
that belonged to might have died of TB or something else.
1885
01:36:31.100 --> 01:36:33.159
I was scared. Oh, my gosh. TB, and I didn't
1886
01:36:33.180 --> 01:36:35.159
know anything about it other than my mother was afraid
1887
01:36:35.220 --> 01:36:37.560
of it. But when she grew up, that was the thing.
1888
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:40.840
That was when they had sanatoriums and stuff like that. Yeah. Well,
1889
01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:42.699
it's not.
1890
01:36:42.140 --> 01:36:46.680
A bad idea. I mean, your mom wasn't wrong. But
1891
01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:48.640
it's just like you don't think about it. But you're
1892
01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.399
absolutely right. It depends on when you grew up, what
1893
01:36:51.460 --> 01:36:53.399
you were afraid of. I mean, if you ask me
1894
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.550
what my grandmother was afraid of, well, she was born
1895
01:36:55.609 --> 01:37:00.850
in 1890, and she was Lenape. And Cherokee, for the
1896
01:37:00.909 --> 01:37:04.609
most part, enough to, you know, that knew that she,
1897
01:37:04.869 --> 01:37:08.800
they hid that because in her era, for people to
1898
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.060
know that meant you were going to be treated different people.
1899
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:15.119
She knew we're getting businesses taken from property and, you know,
1900
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:19.109
people like her disappeared, you know, that was reality in
1901
01:37:19.170 --> 01:37:22.930
her time, you know, and then in my mom's, you know,
1902
01:37:22.949 --> 01:37:25.350
of course she came up, I think she was maybe
1903
01:37:25.350 --> 01:37:28.170
12 when the war hit, you know, maybe a little older,
1904
01:37:28.989 --> 01:37:31.720
World War II. So it all depends on what you,
1905
01:37:31.739 --> 01:37:34.420
like you said, your mom with the TB. And I
1906
01:37:34.460 --> 01:37:37.550
guess kids a couple of years ago with the, that
1907
01:37:37.670 --> 01:37:41.409
crazy mess that went through and that's probably be endowed
1908
01:37:41.449 --> 01:37:44.729
in their memory. You know, they were made to feel afraid,
1909
01:37:45.289 --> 01:37:48.930
not empowered, you know, you know what I mean? So
1910
01:37:49.409 --> 01:37:52.510
that's got to put an imprint. And I think anytime,
1911
01:37:52.529 --> 01:37:55.340
you know, that you grow up in is going to
1912
01:37:55.380 --> 01:37:58.779
be your, you know, if you ask somebody maybe who
1913
01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:01.760
grew up in, I don't know, the Highlands of Scotland,
1914
01:38:01.819 --> 01:38:03.779
you know, well, you're going to be afraid of not,
1915
01:38:04.220 --> 01:38:06.779
you know, that culture has a big thing to do
1916
01:38:06.819 --> 01:38:09.979
with it, but I think there's some inherent ones too. Like,
1917
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:11.970
you know, the pile of clothes on the chair, is
1918
01:38:11.979 --> 01:38:14.489
that a guy sitting there in the dark? You know,
1919
01:38:14.510 --> 01:38:17.829
I used to think my stuffed animals, this is how
1920
01:38:17.890 --> 01:38:20.899
I got through scary nights. And it might be just
1921
01:38:20.899 --> 01:38:24.449
little kids, scary nights, like you said, nightmares, afraid to
1922
01:38:24.449 --> 01:38:27.149
go to sleep for nightmares. You know, maybe I saw
1923
01:38:27.149 --> 01:38:29.779
a scary movie that day, you know, and didn't want
1924
01:38:29.779 --> 01:38:31.699
to admit it because if I admitted it, my mom
1925
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:33.699
would let me watch them anymore, that kind of stuff.
1926
01:38:33.739 --> 01:38:35.699
So I'm trying to keep it on the down low,
1927
01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:39.340
you know, and then stuff starts like you think there
1928
01:38:39.380 --> 01:38:42.050
is something sitting in the chair, but it's your, it's
1929
01:38:42.090 --> 01:38:43.909
your bike, extra bike, your concert.
1930
01:38:44.050 --> 01:38:46.909
What is that? One time, even as an adult, I
1931
01:38:46.930 --> 01:38:49.409
was living in Las Vegas and, I'd hung one of
1932
01:38:49.430 --> 01:38:54.470
my hoodies on the bedpost and then came in after dark.
1933
01:38:54.510 --> 01:38:56.369
And before I could get the lights on, I thought
1934
01:38:56.390 --> 01:38:59.720
there was a short person, you know, in my room there,
1935
01:38:59.859 --> 01:39:03.119
but it was my hoodie on the bedpost. It wasn't
1936
01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:05.439
like a four-poster bed or anything, but the bedposts were,
1937
01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:09.340
you know, three or four feet at their highest. Somebody's
1938
01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:11.390
standing in there, some kind of weird shadow thing with
1939
01:39:11.430 --> 01:39:16.170
a hood over its head. Strange things like that. And
1940
01:39:16.310 --> 01:39:20.039
there's one that I saved here. Because we're getting toward
1941
01:39:20.060 --> 01:39:24.199
the end of this episode. Sharks. Now, I know you
1942
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:28.479
have a particular affinity for sharks or a lack thereof.
1943
01:39:29.220 --> 01:39:30.619
That's got to be. And living on the shore or
1944
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:35.569
close to the shore. Well, I'll tell you what, it's
1945
01:39:35.609 --> 01:39:38.880
something here that's going on. God bless everybody that went
1946
01:39:38.899 --> 01:39:42.520
in the water this July so far because it's been outrageous.
1947
01:39:42.939 --> 01:39:47.319
It's been outrageous. And it's been so many shark attacks.
1948
01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:50.180
I think one shark got on like six people. And
1949
01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:51.520
I'm like, how did you get past one?
1950
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:52.659
Yeah.
1951
01:39:53.020 --> 01:39:57.710
Here's the deal. I know it's hot. Yeah. But sharks
1952
01:39:57.770 --> 01:39:59.949
keep coming up. I mean, these things are getting like
1953
01:40:00.489 --> 01:40:02.520
up and we're the breakers. You know what I mean?
1954
01:40:02.539 --> 01:40:05.039
You were saying they're going to be coming up on land,
1955
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:05.960
getting people next.
1956
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:09.560
Yeah. I think you're going to sprout legs and come on. Look,
1957
01:40:10.939 --> 01:40:13.399
this stuff scares me. And I think what happened with that,
1958
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:15.439
and I guess you could consider it childhood. I was
1959
01:40:15.500 --> 01:40:19.430
probably 11, 12. Yeah, that's child still, right? Yeah, absolutely.
1960
01:40:19.890 --> 01:40:24.149
So anyway, my sister gave me Jaws, the book. And
1961
01:40:24.210 --> 01:40:26.470
says here, she was getting on a plane. She was leaving.
1962
01:40:26.489 --> 01:40:28.270
She came to visit. And as she's walking out of
1963
01:40:28.310 --> 01:40:30.770
the room, I'm sitting in the chair and she hands
1964
01:40:30.810 --> 01:40:33.890
it to me. And I see Jaws, the paperback, you know,
1965
01:40:33.909 --> 01:40:35.800
it says, I think you're old enough to read this.
1966
01:40:35.810 --> 01:40:37.939
And then she left. They went to the airport and
1967
01:40:37.979 --> 01:40:40.539
left me with that summer with that book. And I
1968
01:40:40.619 --> 01:40:43.199
used to go swimming every day. I live right on
1969
01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:46.380
the ocean. And I read that book about second chapter.
1970
01:40:47.680 --> 01:40:50.260
I didn't go in the water anymore. That was it.
1971
01:40:50.909 --> 01:40:54.510
I remember when the film came out, I saw it
1972
01:40:54.590 --> 01:40:59.949
at the theater. I was 1975, so I would have
1973
01:40:59.970 --> 01:41:05.420
been 12 or almost 12. Let's see, I can't do
1974
01:41:05.460 --> 01:41:08.659
math in my head. 11, 12, right around there. If
1975
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:11.560
it came out in June, I wouldn't have been 12
1976
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:16.909
until that fall. But anyway, I knew people that were
1977
01:41:16.949 --> 01:41:19.569
afraid to get in swimming pools. Yep.
1978
01:41:19.609 --> 01:41:20.010
Me too.
1979
01:41:20.250 --> 01:41:22.229
I saw something the other day that I thought you
1980
01:41:22.250 --> 01:41:25.689
would appreciate. There's people that had a big backyard pool,
1981
01:41:25.750 --> 01:41:28.989
an in-ground pool, and they were out there on floats
1982
01:41:29.069 --> 01:41:32.220
and loungers and things in the water showing Jaws on
1983
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:32.880
the big screen.
1984
01:41:33.779 --> 01:41:38.859
Oh, no. Absolutely not. Listen, it was so bad with me.
1985
01:41:39.619 --> 01:41:42.319
My brother, I used to, you know, when I was
1986
01:41:42.340 --> 01:41:46.279
in a rock and roll band, We've lived lives, haven't we, man?
1987
01:41:46.859 --> 01:41:48.960
So anyway, when I was I was look, I was
1988
01:41:49.020 --> 01:41:53.340
dating the lead singer. Never mind. So anyway, we were
1989
01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:55.720
we were in this band. We get home late. So
1990
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:59.479
I used to like to jump in the pool as late.
1991
01:41:59.699 --> 01:42:02.159
It's like, you know, two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning.
1992
01:42:02.199 --> 01:42:04.510
I would jump into the pool in the summer, jump
1993
01:42:04.550 --> 01:42:06.199
in this little above ground pool we had in the
1994
01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:08.750
backyard where I live with my aunt and uncle before
1995
01:42:08.810 --> 01:42:10.810
I went in and go to bed, go to school
1996
01:42:10.829 --> 01:42:12.390
the next day, do it again. You know, that kind
1997
01:42:12.409 --> 01:42:17.479
of thing. And my, my brother who always loved to
1998
01:42:17.500 --> 01:42:19.579
tease me and got real mean sometimes said, you know,
1999
01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:21.649
one day I know you hate sharks. I'm going to
2000
01:42:21.689 --> 01:42:23.909
go ahead and down there to the, I can't remember
2001
01:42:23.930 --> 01:42:26.930
the name of the aquarium, the pet store, but you know,
2002
01:42:27.350 --> 01:42:28.430
I'm going to get a shark and I'm going to
2003
01:42:28.449 --> 01:42:29.989
throw them in there. You're never going to know. You're
2004
01:42:30.010 --> 01:42:30.930
not going to be able to see them in that
2005
01:42:30.989 --> 01:42:34.359
dark water. Never went to the pool again. Now it's like,
2006
01:42:34.380 --> 01:42:37.399
you just think about it. You're in their territory. What
2007
01:42:37.420 --> 01:42:40.520
are you doing? You know? And I've seen them come
2008
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:44.760
up to the, almost beach themselves to get people.
2009
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:46.100
Yeah, they get in the shadow.
2010
01:42:46.899 --> 01:42:50.819
Pulling people out. And this is right here where the 19,
2011
01:42:50.819 --> 01:42:53.020
was it 1916? I can't remember. If I get the
2012
01:42:53.060 --> 01:42:56.340
date wrong, forgive me. But the shark attacks, yeah, we
2013
01:42:56.380 --> 01:42:58.970
had a big old episode on it. Right here.
2014
01:42:59.020 --> 01:43:01.390
There were people that wouldn't swim in the lakes and
2015
01:43:01.449 --> 01:43:05.090
rivers and stuff. People say, well, sharks in the ocean. Oh,
2016
01:43:05.130 --> 01:43:07.510
but not always. And there's freshwater sharks too.
2017
01:43:08.369 --> 01:43:10.869
Right up here in Nevada, Juan. It's less than a
2018
01:43:10.890 --> 01:43:13.350
mile from my house, right there where that happened, where
2019
01:43:13.380 --> 01:43:17.359
they got those boys. Horrible story. Got the guy right
2020
01:43:17.420 --> 01:43:20.689
out here in front of the Essex and Sussex. I
2021
01:43:20.729 --> 01:43:24.270
can't say it. Sussex. And it's a famous place where
2022
01:43:24.289 --> 01:43:25.909
they had the big bands back in the day and
2023
01:43:25.949 --> 01:43:28.829
all that grand hotel. And they had a young man
2024
01:43:28.869 --> 01:43:30.909
that used to they call them umbrella boys were like
2025
01:43:30.949 --> 01:43:33.909
when it was raining. You can make extra money running
2026
01:43:33.930 --> 01:43:35.850
people from the cars at the big old steps and
2027
01:43:35.890 --> 01:43:37.850
into the grand hall so they could get their room
2028
01:43:37.909 --> 01:43:39.710
and get checked in to stay out of the rain. Right.
2029
01:43:40.270 --> 01:43:42.569
And he was doing that, you know, that day and
2030
01:43:42.609 --> 01:43:44.310
it cleared up. And he says, I'm going to go out,
2031
01:43:44.939 --> 01:43:47.039
take my dog out and run him a little bit
2032
01:43:47.060 --> 01:43:49.020
before I got to be back in for, you know,
2033
01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:50.859
the dinner crowd and all that. He has a little time.
2034
01:43:51.729 --> 01:43:53.600
And he went out there on that beach and first
2035
01:43:53.619 --> 01:43:56.680
the shark got the dog. Dog didn't come back to
2036
01:43:56.699 --> 01:43:59.420
the ball. You know, dog went in, didn't come back.
2037
01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:02.329
Guy goes in looking for the dog and shark got
2038
01:44:02.369 --> 01:44:05.970
him to got his leg. They drug him. They jumped in,
2039
01:44:06.010 --> 01:44:07.909
tried to save him. They got him in a canoe,
2040
01:44:07.970 --> 01:44:10.569
pulled him in, got him on in that grand hotel,
2041
01:44:10.609 --> 01:44:13.119
put him up there in that lobby table. And there
2042
01:44:13.140 --> 01:44:16.449
he went, you know. So, I mean, how many of
2043
01:44:16.489 --> 01:44:19.489
those do you have to read before? I'd rather stay
2044
01:44:19.550 --> 01:44:21.859
out of the water, thank you very much. And then
2045
01:44:21.899 --> 01:44:25.119
we had Sandy, Steve, and I'll finish with this. It
2046
01:44:25.220 --> 01:44:30.640
comes just like the daggum grasshoppers. We had Sandy, and
2047
01:44:30.699 --> 01:44:34.020
I'm right here, you know, between Atlantic City and, you know,
2048
01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:37.600
Asbury Park, you know, New York City. So I'm right
2049
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:42.350
by also Seaside. Well, when Sandy hit, it took Seaside
2050
01:44:42.369 --> 01:44:44.510
and threw it into my backyard. I'm right here on
2051
01:44:44.529 --> 01:44:47.069
the bay. come right up my backyard. I had signs
2052
01:44:47.109 --> 01:44:49.560
and all kinds of stuff from there. And I'd look
2053
01:44:49.699 --> 01:44:53.439
the next day, maybe two days, people start putting so
2054
01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:55.560
much damage, you know, and you're looking at all these
2055
01:44:55.619 --> 01:44:58.140
bit damage pictures, what happened up the road, because it
2056
01:44:58.180 --> 01:45:02.829
was horrible here. And I look at it, it's probably
2057
01:45:02.850 --> 01:45:06.890
about two miles from my house, but in a residential neighborhood,
2058
01:45:08.229 --> 01:45:11.609
there was so much water, Steve. They're showing the street
2059
01:45:11.689 --> 01:45:16.090
signs and right going across the crosswalk to great white
2060
01:45:16.130 --> 01:45:21.409
sharks coming down the roads, swimming down main street. So
2061
01:45:21.449 --> 01:45:25.130
they can come up on the land. Sometimes the ocean
2062
01:45:25.170 --> 01:45:27.770
comes up to meet you, you know, and now you're
2063
01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.460
in their territory and that's scary. And I think that's
2064
01:45:30.500 --> 01:45:33.439
what scares kids too, you know, and we come up with,
2065
01:45:33.500 --> 01:45:35.579
but kids are strong and they come up with great
2066
01:45:35.939 --> 01:45:37.779
ways to get through it. And one of the number
2067
01:45:37.859 --> 01:45:39.880
one things, if you have a kid that's scared out there,
2068
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:44.979
Just listen to them, hear through, check, don't ever tell
2069
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:47.170
them it's not there and they don't exist and stuff
2070
01:45:47.189 --> 01:45:50.210
like that. Walk through it because look, it could be there.
2071
01:45:50.899 --> 01:45:54.079
Steve and I know that. So give them some empowerment.
2072
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:56.659
Tell them you're there. You're there to hear all about
2073
01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:58.319
it and you believe them and do whatever you got
2074
01:45:58.340 --> 01:46:00.850
to do. But also give them something to work with
2075
01:46:00.890 --> 01:46:03.970
a tool. Let them know they're strong and what they
2076
01:46:04.029 --> 01:46:06.310
say matters and tell them to go away and leave
2077
01:46:06.329 --> 01:46:10.670
you alone and make some magic spray. Get a good
2078
01:46:10.729 --> 01:46:13.670
old spray bottle and put some water and some magic and,
2079
01:46:13.829 --> 01:46:16.029
you know, do a little ceremony with them. Put some
2080
01:46:16.069 --> 01:46:17.909
love in there. Put some glitter.
2081
01:46:18.210 --> 01:46:18.510
Yeah.
2082
01:46:19.250 --> 01:46:22.229
Yeah, go away monster spray and stuff like that.
2083
01:46:22.630 --> 01:46:25.329
I think it was Cujo where the little boy had
2084
01:46:25.369 --> 01:46:27.489
a paper that his dad had written for him called
2085
01:46:27.529 --> 01:46:30.340
the monster words. And it was like a little poem
2086
01:46:30.649 --> 01:46:33.020
to keep the monsters away. And he'd carry that around
2087
01:46:33.079 --> 01:46:35.659
in his pocket. It didn't work for Cujo, but it
2088
01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:36.939
worked for other monsters.
2089
01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:41.079
Yeah, that's wonderful. I don't think it'd work on sharks
2090
01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:43.460
or grasshoppers either, Steve. How about you?
2091
01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:45.720
A little spray bottle. Yeah, I don't know.
2092
01:46:45.859 --> 01:46:49.359
Yeah, I got a spray bottle for those things. It's just, yes,
2093
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:54.289
serious people. Use extreme caution with sharks. And, too, also
2094
01:46:54.409 --> 01:46:57.170
in Florida, in the water, there's a lady on the
2095
01:46:57.750 --> 01:46:59.369
wet viral, and she said, I'll tell you how to
2096
01:46:59.390 --> 01:47:02.029
tell if an alligator's in the water. She reaches down
2097
01:47:02.090 --> 01:47:03.630
and she touches the water. She says, if it's wet,
2098
01:47:03.930 --> 01:47:05.130
there's an alligator in.
2099
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:08.279
There.
2100
01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:10.739
I guarantee there's quicksand nearby, right, Steve?
2101
01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:12.680
Yeah, there's got to be.
2102
01:47:13.180 --> 01:47:13.640
Beware.
2103
01:47:14.699 --> 01:47:16.560
Another one I just want to touch on real quick.
2104
01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:21.739
is liminal spaces, empty places, whether it's a parking garage
2105
01:47:22.180 --> 01:47:25.859
or your attic or a basement, someplace that's not lived in.
2106
01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:29.260
And there's just something spooky about that. I've been in
2107
01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:32.899
some parking garages at the mall or something late at night.
2108
01:47:33.420 --> 01:47:35.579
And it's just, it's an airy thing. Even I've been
2109
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:37.890
in a mall late at night before when all the
2110
01:47:37.939 --> 01:47:42.369
stores were closed and everything. There's just something about where
2111
01:47:42.430 --> 01:47:45.010
people usually congregate and then they're not there. I've been
2112
01:47:45.050 --> 01:47:49.260
in schools. And churches and things after dark, you know,
2113
01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:51.880
I used to help my brother clean a church and
2114
01:47:51.939 --> 01:47:54.060
it was just something, I mean, it's a church, but
2115
01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:57.489
it was scary in there when it's empty and it's silent,
2116
01:47:57.510 --> 01:47:59.850
you know, especially down in the basement where the classrooms
2117
01:47:59.909 --> 01:48:02.770
and stuff were. I couldn't wait to get those rooms
2118
01:48:02.810 --> 01:48:04.949
clean to get back upstairs. Yeah.
2119
01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:08.800
Yeah. I mean, like you said, too, like basements and
2120
01:48:08.859 --> 01:48:10.800
stuff like that. And I think it's all about like
2121
01:48:10.819 --> 01:48:13.720
if you think about it, you get scared, you know,
2122
01:48:13.739 --> 01:48:19.550
I mean, sellers and stuff. But I can remember places
2123
01:48:19.569 --> 01:48:21.270
I just didn't. not want to go in. You just
2124
01:48:21.300 --> 01:48:23.079
had the creeps about it. And I think all kids
2125
01:48:23.220 --> 01:48:27.180
really have that. But, you know, again, I'm looking back
2126
01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:28.680
at how I got through a lot of that, a
2127
01:48:28.699 --> 01:48:31.460
lot of scary nights. And you said that you had
2128
01:48:31.500 --> 01:48:34.199
your one thing about trying to protect yourself against something
2129
01:48:34.220 --> 01:48:37.489
coming through. And it made me remember, and I was
2130
01:48:37.649 --> 01:48:42.010
actually not talking about this not too long ago, how
2131
01:48:42.069 --> 01:48:44.569
your mom could probably take on somebody. But, you know,
2132
01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:47.220
if your dad wasn't there, you felt a little more scared,
2133
01:48:47.260 --> 01:48:51.479
you know. My thing was when my mom and dad
2134
01:48:51.539 --> 01:48:54.680
split up, of course, I'm, you know, probably five, six.
2135
01:48:54.859 --> 01:48:58.529
And I know my mom was tough because I remember
2136
01:48:58.590 --> 01:49:01.550
sitting watching TV with her. And we had that little chain,
2137
01:49:01.590 --> 01:49:04.550
that stupid chain thing on the door in an apartment.
2138
01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:06.779
And it was a two story apartment. We were on
2139
01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:12.060
the ground floor and somebody bust through the doorknob and
2140
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.079
open the door. You know, that thing actually stopped him
2141
01:49:14.140 --> 01:49:16.739
for a brief second. My mom was able to grab.
2142
01:49:16.979 --> 01:49:19.239
She had a gun and she went up. She wasn't
2143
01:49:19.260 --> 01:49:21.380
going to shoot. She hit the hand and the guy
2144
01:49:21.439 --> 01:49:24.159
upstairs came down and run the guy off, which it
2145
01:49:24.189 --> 01:49:26.649
was traumatic to see. But I saw her do that.
2146
01:49:26.710 --> 01:49:29.479
So to me, my mom was a superhero. Right. And
2147
01:49:29.500 --> 01:49:32.130
which if rare, she went out, but if she did,
2148
01:49:32.149 --> 01:49:34.489
and she left me with my grandmother, I would same
2149
01:49:34.529 --> 01:49:36.289
as you did. I looked at my grandmother. I thought,
2150
01:49:36.489 --> 01:49:39.170
is she going to be able to help me? And
2151
01:49:39.189 --> 01:49:42.130
I remember hearing the adults talking about somebody got stabbed.
2152
01:49:42.890 --> 01:49:44.949
I know this is a terrible thing to have kids
2153
01:49:44.989 --> 01:49:48.420
to ever have to think about, but the weirdest thing, Steve,
2154
01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:51.779
what I did was I took all the blankets off her,
2155
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:55.119
but you know, grandma's always having these extra Afghans. I
2156
01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:57.560
piled all the Afghans on top of me in that
2157
01:49:57.659 --> 01:50:00.159
cot that I would sleep on. You know, if she
2158
01:50:00.180 --> 01:50:03.039
was babysitting me and I'd have so much on. And
2159
01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.350
I remember thinking if anybody ever got me, I'd never
2160
01:50:05.359 --> 01:50:09.329
get through all this. And I bet you that a
2161
01:50:09.390 --> 01:50:12.289
lot of kids go through stuff like that. You know,
2162
01:50:12.310 --> 01:50:15.029
you always hear about like I went under the covers.
2163
01:50:15.689 --> 01:50:15.850
Yeah.
2164
01:50:15.869 --> 01:50:17.170
You know, what is it?
2165
01:50:17.270 --> 01:50:19.550
There's something in the room, a hat man or a
2166
01:50:19.569 --> 01:50:21.909
shadow person. And they'll pull the covers up over their head.
2167
01:50:22.430 --> 01:50:24.170
I was just the opposite. I wanted to keep an
2168
01:50:24.329 --> 01:50:25.989
eye on whatever it was. I wasn't going to get
2169
01:50:26.069 --> 01:50:28.149
under the covers because then I couldn't see where it was.
2170
01:50:28.229 --> 01:50:32.409
I wanted to keep my options available. If it gets
2171
01:50:32.470 --> 01:50:34.170
any closer, I'm out of this bed and I'm down
2172
01:50:34.210 --> 01:50:35.409
the hallway running.
2173
01:50:39.750 --> 01:50:43.800
How many ghost stories and how many other adults or otherwise,
2174
01:50:44.539 --> 01:50:47.260
kids too, that said, I got up out of bed
2175
01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:51.359
and ran through it to get out the room. You know,
2176
01:50:51.420 --> 01:50:55.020
and how crazy is that? Because think about it. You know,
2177
01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.779
you're just reacting out of fear and out of just
2178
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:03.600
impulse and all the things, right? But somewhere in your mind,
2179
01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.840
you knew you could get through it. See? You see
2180
01:51:07.859 --> 01:51:10.899
where I'm going? Because if it looked so much like
2181
01:51:10.939 --> 01:51:13.909
a person, how do you know you could get through it?
2182
01:51:14.819 --> 01:51:17.270
Did you plan on running right into it? You see
2183
01:51:17.289 --> 01:51:20.609
what I'm saying? Like, you know, it was a solid figure.
2184
01:51:21.170 --> 01:51:24.729
Yeah, just run through it. And if it's solid, knock
2185
01:51:24.789 --> 01:51:26.829
it winding if you can and hope that it doesn't
2186
01:51:26.890 --> 01:51:27.350
grab you.
2187
01:51:28.329 --> 01:51:30.899
But it seems to me they almost had an instinct
2188
01:51:30.939 --> 01:51:33.600
to know that they could go through it. Because they
2189
01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:35.800
didn't hesitate. They didn't hit the brakes. They just ran.
2190
01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:38.600
Like it wasn't an obstacle. It might have been a
2191
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:42.239
scary thing. You know, I was thinking about that the
2192
01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:44.300
other day and I said, isn't that funny to think about,
2193
01:51:44.420 --> 01:51:46.880
you know, because it's, and it's just as odd to
2194
01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:49.960
think about these people who say, well, you know, it
2195
01:51:49.979 --> 01:51:51.859
scared me. And then I just, I went back to sleep.
2196
01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:55.159
I don't understand that one either. How do you see
2197
01:51:55.220 --> 01:51:56.720
something standing over your bed?
2198
01:51:56.739 --> 01:51:58.979
Turn over and ignore it and go to sleep. Of course,
2199
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:02.010
that may be the best thing to do, but I'm
2200
01:52:02.029 --> 01:52:02.770
forgetting out there.
2201
01:52:04.210 --> 01:52:09.100
I'm with you, Steve. i'm with you but i think
2202
01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:11.239
i think those fears i think all the things we
2203
01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:14.859
said you know um combined in all of it you
2204
01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.020
know i'm i'm looking at the list here and i'm
2205
01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:20.350
i i think i had most of them you know
2206
01:52:20.369 --> 01:52:22.689
i think going to school not being prepared not having
2207
01:52:22.729 --> 01:52:25.729
your homework that's a real fear you know people at
2208
01:52:25.770 --> 01:52:28.010
school you're afraid of how they're not going to like
2209
01:52:28.050 --> 01:52:30.529
your shoes or a bully or you know that that's
2210
01:52:30.609 --> 01:52:32.550
all real stuff and i hated that because i was
2211
01:52:32.609 --> 01:52:35.090
always a new kid we moved a lot you know
2212
01:52:35.109 --> 01:52:35.270
i was.
2213
01:52:36.050 --> 01:52:38.359
I was fine until I started school. I'd never been
2214
01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:42.010
around kids. I was raised as an only, my only sibling,
2215
01:52:42.069 --> 01:52:44.210
older brother was 17 years older than me. So by
2216
01:52:44.630 --> 01:52:46.630
the time I was cognizant, he was already married and
2217
01:52:46.670 --> 01:52:50.229
moved out. But I was great. I got, I enjoyed
2218
01:52:50.250 --> 01:52:53.130
my own company and then go to kindergarten. I was like, oh,
2219
01:52:53.170 --> 01:52:55.109
this will be great. I'll be around other kids, you know,
2220
01:52:55.149 --> 01:52:58.310
and it wasn't at all what I expected. It just
2221
01:52:58.350 --> 01:53:01.670
kind of went downhill from there. And I wasn't okay
2222
01:53:01.710 --> 01:53:04.699
until probably my sophomore year of high school. By then
2223
01:53:04.779 --> 01:53:07.390
I'd kind of figured it out again, but I hated it.
2224
01:53:07.859 --> 01:53:11.939
And where I went to elementary school, small, it was
2225
01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.399
first through eighth when I started there and then later
2226
01:53:14.659 --> 01:53:20.430
pre-K through eighth. And then December between seventh and eighth grade,
2227
01:53:21.109 --> 01:53:23.750
they closed down the upper grades and we had to
2228
01:53:23.789 --> 01:53:26.289
go to a new middle school. And I hated that.
2229
01:53:26.329 --> 01:53:28.409
I was with a bunch of kids that I didn't
2230
01:53:28.430 --> 01:53:30.359
know because everybody else I'd gone to school with for
2231
01:53:30.380 --> 01:53:33.149
my whole life, even though I didn't like them. This
2232
01:53:33.229 --> 01:53:35.869
is where more people know to like it. I had
2233
01:53:35.909 --> 01:53:38.770
a very, very bad time in eighth grade. High school,
2234
01:53:39.609 --> 01:53:43.310
a little different. Like I said, being a freshman, that
2235
01:53:43.350 --> 01:53:45.939
wasn't a lot of fun, but my sophomore year, I
2236
01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.500
figured it out, and my senior year, I ran the school.
2237
01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:50.960
I didn't give a shit then. That was the thing.
2238
01:53:50.979 --> 01:53:53.659
You just kind of find your own tribe, find your
2239
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:56.699
own group, find your nation, and be happy in it.
2240
01:53:57.239 --> 01:54:01.189
Another one, I don't know if it's... I had another
2241
01:54:01.250 --> 01:54:05.079
list here, but that fear of failure, like at school
2242
01:54:05.140 --> 01:54:08.359
and things like that. I never had any problem with
2243
01:54:08.399 --> 01:54:11.399
it if I applied myself, but there's always that, you know,
2244
01:54:11.420 --> 01:54:14.609
when you had to study for a test, my natural
2245
01:54:14.649 --> 01:54:16.670
reaction was to throw up, you know.
2246
01:54:17.109 --> 01:54:19.970
Or ask to read aloud.
2247
01:54:20.810 --> 01:54:22.529
Read aloud or give a presentation.
2248
01:54:22.909 --> 01:54:23.949
Go up to the board.
2249
01:54:24.409 --> 01:54:26.060
Throw up. The doctor told my mom I had a
2250
01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:31.289
nervous stomach. Anyway, And now you wouldn't know it now
2251
01:54:31.329 --> 01:54:34.350
because I love being in public. I love speaking in
2252
01:54:34.689 --> 01:54:37.590
front of people. And I'd gotten over that by college.
2253
01:54:37.630 --> 01:54:43.050
I took extemporaneous speaking. And the professor was like, I'll
2254
01:54:43.350 --> 01:54:46.510
give you your topic on an index card. You have
2255
01:54:46.590 --> 01:54:50.579
five minutes to prepare. And I told the professor, I said, bullshit.
2256
01:54:50.939 --> 01:54:53.079
I said, if I've got five minutes to prepare, that's
2257
01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:56.100
not extemporaneous. You hand me my card when I step
2258
01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:58.529
up to the podium. And everybody else in there is
2259
01:54:58.569 --> 01:55:01.689
already soiling themselves, you know, five minutes. And then here
2260
01:55:01.829 --> 01:55:03.710
I am throwing down the gauntlet. And he's like, you're
2261
01:55:03.770 --> 01:55:06.390
sure you want to do this? Yes, sir. Handed me
2262
01:55:06.430 --> 01:55:11.569
my card. It was like something about the anniversary of
2263
01:55:11.590 --> 01:55:15.149
the signing of the Versailles Peace Treaty or something like that.
2264
01:55:15.670 --> 01:55:17.609
And I didn't really know anything about it, but I
2265
01:55:18.100 --> 01:55:21.239
basically did a stand-up comedy routine to it. And he
2266
01:55:21.380 --> 01:55:23.460
was impressed. And he's like, you think you could do
2267
01:55:23.500 --> 01:55:26.180
it again? Yes, sir. So every time in that class.
2268
01:55:27.010 --> 01:55:30.409
when I had to speak extemporaneously, I wanted my topic
2269
01:55:30.449 --> 01:55:32.210
when I took the podium and I just, I just
2270
01:55:32.289 --> 01:55:35.850
wing it. Just, you know, you can't baffle them with bullshit.
2271
01:55:35.899 --> 01:55:38.279
That was the text that I took and that still
2272
01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:39.920
serves me well. Yep.
2273
01:55:40.699 --> 01:55:44.119
Man. Ain't it so? Yeah. But there, there is that,
2274
01:55:44.359 --> 01:55:46.420
that fear, you know, and that comes with being a
2275
01:55:46.460 --> 01:55:50.220
kid and I hate to think about it, but you know,
2276
01:55:50.340 --> 01:55:53.079
all the paranormal stuff, I see dead people. I mean,
2277
01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:56.560
I know kids that, you know, gone through that, you know, so.
2278
01:55:57.439 --> 01:56:02.859
All of that's real. And there's reason to be afraid.
2279
01:56:02.890 --> 01:56:05.750
I don't know how else to put it.
2280
01:56:05.770 --> 01:56:10.310
Some of those fears are unfounded. Some of them are real.
2281
01:56:10.350 --> 01:56:14.270
This portion, this segment of the show was childhood fears,
2282
01:56:14.409 --> 01:56:17.079
real or imagined. And I think there's a mixture of
2283
01:56:17.140 --> 01:56:20.100
both in there. Some things that we should have been
2284
01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:23.430
afraid of, we weren't. And then things that we were
2285
01:56:23.470 --> 01:56:25.489
afraid of, there was absolutely no reason to be.
2286
01:56:25.550 --> 01:56:28.039
But, you know, you can work yourself up.
2287
01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:29.800
There's no doubt.
2288
01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:34.520
You can work yourself up. And I think that's so cool. And,
2289
01:56:34.979 --> 01:56:37.720
you know, maybe we can, this is a nice way
2290
01:56:38.260 --> 01:56:43.390
to flow out on it. But there's movies and stories,
2291
01:56:43.409 --> 01:56:45.670
you know, like I'm thinking like a stand by me where,
2292
01:56:45.750 --> 01:56:49.350
you know, you just have, a couple of real boys,
2293
01:56:49.449 --> 01:56:51.270
damn boys. Right.
2294
01:56:51.569 --> 01:56:54.210
In a sensible fashion. Yeah.
2295
01:56:54.550 --> 01:56:59.369
But there's a, there's, there's a way we can work
2296
01:56:59.649 --> 01:57:05.329
up to a fear that that's almost reality. You know,
2297
01:57:05.710 --> 01:57:07.689
like you look at all the Freddy's and you know,
2298
01:57:07.979 --> 01:57:10.649
it and different things like this and gosh, we can
2299
01:57:10.689 --> 01:57:13.659
name them off all day, but there's also, like I said,
2300
01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:18.779
that imagine thing. And I think, there's almost a, almost
2301
01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:22.439
a topa kind of effect. You know, I can remember
2302
01:57:22.500 --> 01:57:26.659
being a kid and being so scared. You know, it's
2303
01:57:26.680 --> 01:57:28.800
almost like I had my own little four act play
2304
01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:31.729
right there on myself, my own little twin size bed
2305
01:57:32.130 --> 01:57:34.729
with a little pink Priscilla curtains or whatever my mom
2306
01:57:34.770 --> 01:57:38.569
put up, you know, and it's terrifying at night and
2307
01:57:38.590 --> 01:57:42.010
you're working yourself up and you can actually see things
2308
01:57:42.050 --> 01:57:44.340
start to move. You know what I mean? Like a
2309
01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:48.699
teddy bear, you know, in the shadows and things like that.
2310
01:57:48.739 --> 01:57:52.039
And there is no explanation for it. And, you know,
2311
01:57:52.079 --> 01:57:55.380
that leaves us with that really adult question of what
2312
01:57:55.420 --> 01:57:59.270
came first, the fear or the thing to be afraid of?
2313
01:57:59.649 --> 01:58:02.550
Yeah, exactly. Well, with that, we're going to wrap it
2314
01:58:02.630 --> 01:58:06.310
up for this episode of Everything Out There. There you go.
2315
01:58:06.369 --> 01:58:08.149
Let them know where they can find you.
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Journey Through the Gate Paranormal. Portal Podcast. And you never
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know what you're going to get when you go through
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time on Sunday nights. Monday night with Steve Stockton. Both
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of those shows are 8 p.m. Eastern. We have a
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01:58:21.890 --> 01:58:27.529
great live chat. And everybody gets involved and gets in
2322
01:58:27.630 --> 01:58:29.130
on the show. And we have a good time.
2323
01:58:30.020 --> 01:58:31.520
All right. Well, that's going to wrap it up for
2324
01:58:31.539 --> 01:58:34.739
this episode of Everything Out There. I'm Steve Stockton. You're
2325
01:58:34.779 --> 01:58:38.779
listening to the Clive Lewis Ground Zero Radio Network. On
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01:58:38.819 --> 01:58:41.800
behalf of Cisco Murdoch and myself, we'll see you a
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01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:44.390
little further on down the trail. Tell your animals we
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said hi. Good night, everybody.
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