The Historic HAUNTED Scott County Jail and Rugby Colony - Ghost Biker Explorations

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You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.
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Hello friends, Hello, hello everybody. Steve Stockton here, welcome back
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to Everything out There on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero
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Radio Network. Thank you for joining me. Also tonight, my
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special guest is Miranda Young. You know her better as
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the Ghost Biker from Ghost Biker Explorations and the Historic
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Scott County Jail. Come on in, Miranda, how you doing.
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I'm doing great, Steve, Thank you so much for having
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me on tonight.
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Yeah, my pleasure. It's been a while since we talked.
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I think I was on your show in twenty twenty two.
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I think it's been that long. I've been busy, so yeah.
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Yeah, it's been it's been quite some time. I've been
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wanting to catch up because I've been following and seeing
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you've been doing some really cool things.
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Yeah. I'm hard to catch sometimes I just ask my wife.
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Yeah exactly.
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But anyway, for those people that aren't familiar with you,
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tell us who you are, what you're all about, and
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all the great stuff you've got going on there.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely, So been really busy over the last couple of years.
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But so, my name is Miranda and I'm better known
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as the Ghost Biker. I travel around the country on
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my motorcycle to different haunted and historic locations and I
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highlight them on my web series Ghost Biker Explorations. We
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just finished the sixth season last year and back in October,
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and so we're working on the seventh season this year,
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and so we highlight a lot of the locations that
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are maybe a little bit lesser known, maybe more you know,
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I always tell people that basically, if you close your
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eyes and touch a map, you're not going to touch
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anywhere that doesn't have an amazing story. It maybe reason
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reach only known, but you know it, there is always
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a story somewhere in that area that you're gonna touch.
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And so so I use my show to kind of
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promote the travel and tourism and stuff of some of
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these smaller, lesser known, more localized locations. Of course, travel
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all over the country, and you know, I'm a I'm
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a solo investigator, and so I highlight those shows or
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those locations on my show, and then I have a
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weekly live stream where we go in and we talk
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about the places that we highlight, and then also talk
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to different authors and podcasters and folks like you that
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that do things in the in the paranormal community, and
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just time really flies. Three years ago I formed a
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company with my best friend and business partner, doctor Christy Sumner,
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from Soul Sisters Paranormal. We for the company History Highways
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and Hunt and opened up a true crime museum and
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paranormal research center in the historic Scott County Jail in Huntsville, Tennessee.
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So between that and my series, been extremely busy with
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working with historic preservation and restoration.
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Sounds like you've been about as busy as I have.
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I love it. So I think the last time we
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talked to you had ideas for all that, but I'm
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glad to see that it's come to fruition for you.
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Yes, we opened in September twenty twenty one, and so
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we've had right around one hundred and fifty paranormal teams
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that have come in. And so you know, during the
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day we're open with our true crime museum for general
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daytime tours, and then in the evenings we're open for
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the after dark tours. Pretty much every evening and every
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day but Tuesday and Wednesday. And we just recently opened
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up an escape room there in the jail where you
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can escape from one of one of our cell blocks,
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and then we're constantly changing our after dark flashlight tour
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that kind of keep things fresh. We highlight different true
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crime stories, we highlight the history, and then we share
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different video, photo and audio evidence as you go throughout
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the jail of different things that have been captured there,
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and all of that' steering our after dark and flashlight tours.
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Back in May of last year, we expanded the business
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and partnered with the Village of Historic Rugby, Inc. And
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we are in charge of all of their after dark
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tours there at the village, and so that division of
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our company is called Historic Rugby after Dark. So we're
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trying to create more of a destination if you will
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here in rural East Tennessee. We're in the Scott County
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and Morgan County area. That way, if you're coming through,
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you can actually investigate the jail and investigate the Village
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of Historic Rugby because they're only about twenty miles apart.
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So we're trying to kind of create rather than just
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a pass through, something that you can do all weekend
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long if you're in town.
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And I love that you've included Rugby and there that
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used to be one of my favorite places to visit
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when I lived in East Tennessee. Before the show, we
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were talking about the Harrald Road Cafe, which I loved
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to Dynad and you told me that it burned down
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in my absence. But they're building it back, so that's good.
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And Rugby a lot of people don't know much about
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it or that it even exists, but it was a
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I think the man's name was Thomas Hughes that had
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a utopian vision and brought people over from England and
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sort of developed that area and then it didn't quite
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work out the way they wanted it, to build into disrepair,
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and I remember seeing some of those places when I
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was a kid. They're basically falling in. Every building over
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there is haunted, I think, or affordedly to be, and
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the library and there's I think there was a bed
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and breakfast or something over there. It's been twenty years
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since I've been in Tennessee, so tell us, tell us
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what's going on in Rugby now.
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Yeah.
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So Rugby was really set up for the and they
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just hadn't you know, they hadn't really embraced their paranormal history,
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because like you said, I mean pretty much every building
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there in the village has some type of activity. And
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so Rugby was founded by Thomas Hughes back in eighteen
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eighty and he was of course an author and a
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member of Parliament, and he was again a very very
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busy person, but he was he basically took on the
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plot of the Second and Third Sons of England, and
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so he wanted to create a place where they could
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come to and they could actually because over in England
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they didn't really have a job. They kind of just
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got an allowance and didn't really you know, they weren't
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really trained. Because basically it's kind of like you know,
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the air and the spare over in England, and they
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would have been the second third Sons, they would have
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been the Spaars. And so he wanted to create this
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second British coming, the second British colony, and so it
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eighteen October fifth of eighteen eighty the doors opened there
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in Rugby and quite a few families came over. But
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they had a lot of ups and downs during the
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ten years that Rugby was really a colony. They had
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an outbreak of typhoid fever, they had very very harsh
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winters that they weren't used to over here on the
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Cumberland Plateau. They weren't really equipped for the farming and
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working the land like you know, he would have hoped.
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But you know, they had a series of ups and downs,
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and by about eighteen ninety a lot of the original
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colonists had already left and moved on to other places,
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and so Rugby never really became a ghost town, but
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there was a point in time where there were just
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a few folks that were living in the area and
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kind of keeping it up and taking care of it.
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And so it wasn't until Brian Stagg came along in
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nineteen sixty six, and he was a sixteen year old
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kid at the time, became fascinated with Rugby, wrote a
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book about it, and got a group together and formed
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Historic Rugby, Inc. And so Rugby got on the National
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Historic Registry in the early nineteen seventies and they went
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to work to restoring and rebuilding some of these structures
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that were there at its heyday. There was right around
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five to six hundred people that lived there during the
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eighteen eighties, and so there are seventeen of the original
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structures that are still there today and there's probably I
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believe last count that I heard it is a living
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village and so at last count I think there's right
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around fifty to sixty people that live in Rugby today,
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and so they do have some of them live in
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a few of the original houses. Some of them live
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over in the Beacon Hill subdivision, which basically if you
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wanted to live in Rugby you could buy land, but
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you had to build a house in that same eighteen
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eighties Victorian structure, and so some of the houses they
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are a little bit a little bit newer, but they
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look like they're from back in the late eighteen hundreds,
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and so it's amazing little area. The folks there that
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work for Historic Rugby Inc. Do a great job during
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the day tours and throughout the year with different events
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to keep Rugby going. And we got to you know,
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I grew up twenty miles from there over here in
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Scott County, and so I took piano lessons there from
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Brian Stagg's mom, and I can remember as a child
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playing piano there in the house that she lived in,
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which was known as Roslin and personally it's a private
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residence but personally, I think that's one of the most
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haunted houses there in the area. And I can remember
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sitting there playing piano and hearing what sounded like an
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old horse drawn carriage coming up to the house. And
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I remember one time in particular, stopping thinking that there
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was some people that were getting ready to come into
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the house, and she looked over at me, smacked my
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hand and said, keep playing. It happens. And you know,
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it was one of those Yeah, it was one of
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those where I was like, hmm, there's nobody out there,
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and she just you know, she's like after the fact,
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you know, she said, you know, there was there was
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no one out there. I was fully expecting someone to
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come and knock on the door. But that's a very
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common thing that a lot of people have talked about
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that I've found out after, you know, working over there
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now that other people have experienced that at that location
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as well as some of the others. But we reached
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out to Rugby and it was about a six month
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in the making partnership. We reached out to them, told
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them what we do at the jail, and had a
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plan together as far as opening the some lantern tours,
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guided ghost hunts and paranormal investigations, and they came over,
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they toured the jail, saw what we were doing with that,
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and loved the idea. And so we now run two
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different lantern tours there, one of the village and one
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of the North end and the cemetery, and we do
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three hour guided ghost hunts and then we have six
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and a half our private paranormal investigations and folks if
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they want to extend that into a full overnight, they
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can actually stay there at the village in some of
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the different lodging options that they have after they do
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their investigations. So it's really been set up for that,
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and it's really one of those things because Rugby gets
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a split of the ticket sales on that, and it's
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just just something really cool to add to their portfolio
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of what they offer and keeping that history alive and
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working with the preservation of the village itself.
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Yeah, and I love that, you know, it's keeping history
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alive and thriving in that community. They're bringing tourism or
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whatever what have you, dollars in there. That's good. Like
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I said, at one time it just was almost a
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ghost town and it's good to see it thriving again.
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And I remember that area that you're talking about where
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they were building new how but in Victorian style. That
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was I think back in the nineties or something when
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that started, If I recalled.
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It was, yes, yes, And.
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I knew some people that bought property over there. Don't
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know whatever became of them, But I thought that was
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a great idea because that happens a lot here, Like
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where I am in New England. You got these beautiful
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old houses and then they'll tear them down and make
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some kind of new, cookie cutter looking something, and it
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just didn't have any soul or any character like those Victorians.
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I lived in one hundred and twenty five year old house,
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so I get it.
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Yeah, And that's the thing about that. You know, the
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main road used to run through Rugby, but they had
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so many issues with like the big rigs and eighteen
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wheelers and stuff that was just flying through the village.
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So back, you know, probably time kind of gets away
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from me. But I think I think at least between
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ten to fifteen years ago, they built a bypass around
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Ruggy be So for investigation purposes. It's great because it's
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a dark sky community and it's it's very quiet at night.
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But the downside to that is you know during the
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day people bypass it. You have to know it's there
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to and have the intention to go back.
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Yeah, and now that's happened since I was there. But
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I remember I think was it Highway twenty seven that
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goes through there.
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Fifty two twenty seven. Yeah, twenty seven is about seven
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miles from there and goes on to fifty two, and
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fifty two would have been what went straight through it.
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Yeah, Okay, I just I remember going through there. My
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dad was from Jamestown and we lived in West Knoxville
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and we would go back to visit family that he
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had over there, and we would always go through to Rugby.
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So I've driven that way a few times myself, but again,
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I haven't been over there in at least twenty something years.
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I'm sure it's changed a lot.
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Yeah, And you know, it's a beautiful it's a beautiful
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motorcycle ride that whole entire area. And we do different
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motorcycle rides and stuff with Ghost Biker here and then
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also with the Jail and we'll go One of our
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main routes is going there through Rugby and stopping there
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at R. M. Brooks General Store Brooks Store.
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I used to have to stop there.
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In fact, we've actually got a motorcycle ride that we're
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doing with the jail in two weeks that's going to
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have a stop there for lunch there at R. M.
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Brooks General Store and R. M. Brooks is partnering with
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us and doing a motorcycle appreciation Day. So anytime that
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we can partner with some of these small villages, especially
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if or excuse me, small businesses, especially if they have
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a historic lean to it like R. M. Brooks does,
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we always like coming up with some interesting and cool
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ideas to include those locations and introduce, you know, people
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who maybe have either never heard of that spot or
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introduced them to something a little bit different if they
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if they have no and that.
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Would be a good place for motorcycle ride. I never
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thought about that back, but I wrote a hardly. I'd
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always go up to the Smokey Suf. It didn't even
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occur to me to go over that direction. Mh.
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Yeah, because Big South Fork is right there. Basically, we're
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we're located at at the historic Scott County Jail. You
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can't go north, southeast or west without having an amazing
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motorcycle road with beautiful views, history, just great roads. It's
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you know, we've we've started this year. We're going to
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be doing at least one motorcycle ride a month, if
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not more. We usually do a couple a year, but
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we're really heavy and up on it this summer, and
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we're we're partnering with some different businesses all around us
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and different museums that are that are all around and
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starting in different points. So we've got about six different routes.
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Yeah, like a poker run and neat stop as a
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haunted location or something that would be it is.
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Yeah, that's that's exactly how we're we're doing it. And
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we've actually got you know, the uh, the tours and
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stuff that talks about some of the towns and different
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areas that we go through that you know, it may
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just look like a little road sign or a little
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blip on a map as you're passing through, but some
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of these areas that don't really have a lot in it.
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Back at the early nineteen hundreds, some of those areas
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were sprawling towns that had mining disasters and train wrecks
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and and all kinds of interesting stories that you if
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you're not from the area, you wouldn't really know that
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that was what went on in that spot because it's
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just basically in the blink of an eye you're passing
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through that area. So that's what That's what I like
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to do with Ghost Biker Explorations, with the show and
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with the rides and stuff, is get the word out
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about some of these places that people maybe haven't really
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thought about before.
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Yeah, and that's that's great. You're keeping all that alive.
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And like you said, especially in the South, every little
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community has got a crybaby bridge or a place where
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a lady in white walks after dark, or vanishing hitchhiker
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something that I love those little community things like that,
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and to them it's just normal. They know the legend.
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But outside of there, Vivin in the next community over
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may not even know about it, or not know.
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As much exactly exactly. We come across that a lot.
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Yeah, what I wanted to ask you about I made
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a video about it years ago, The Devil of Scott County.
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Have you ever heard that story?
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I have.
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We actually have a it's almost like a life size
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picture from nineteen twenty one of the Scott County devil
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there in the historic Scott County Jail, and that is
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probably one of our most asked about exhibits because it's
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interesting because the picture, it's got several gentlemen standing there
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with this. You know, they describe it as a giant demon.
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Of course, they say it's six foot four, which you
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know today is obviously not as giant as it would
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have been back then. But they describe it as a
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six foot four giant with oversized hands, big wings, oversized
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teeth and I forget how much it weighed, but it
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was extremely heavy. And so here's this picture, this black
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and white picture from the Hellenwood depot and where they
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would were, I guess the devil It's set in there
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from the early twenties up until the depot was torn
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down in the sixties, I believe, early sixties, and so
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I don't know where it's at today. Different stories, different speculation,
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but it was everybody that's come through the town has
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heard of the Scott County Devil or the helen Wood Devil.
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Yeah, like I said, I made a video about it.
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Is this fascinating? And now I heard a story in
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connection with that. Somebody asked me, how could people believe this,
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But you got to remember, as the nineteen twenties, a
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lot of those hill people over there were very superstitious.
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And I've heard a story about in Oneida, just nearby there,
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when the first movie theater opened to the crowd gathered
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in there, the curtains parted and the scene was an
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oncoming train and people got up and ran out of
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the theater because they thought the train was going to
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get And I don't know if that's true or not.
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And people in o Naida deny that, but I've heard
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it told is the truth.
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I've you know, I've heard that. Actually I don't know
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if that's true or not, but I do know. On
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the UH for the Scott County Devil, it was said
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that Cruz Sexton, the guy who found it, that he
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actually charged people a quarter when they get off the
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train to see it. And apparently I made pretty good
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money on it, which you got to think.
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Money that was probably a day's wages or something. Maybe yeah, yeah,
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maybe not a day's wages, but a good chunk of
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a day. I think my dad talking about somebody that
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had a saw mill or something over there, and he
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was paying people a dollar a day. That saw mills
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hard work. So imagine up a quarter to see something
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like that, and it was it was a lot of money.
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It wouldn't have been it would have been an extravagance,
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is what I'm trying to say. So based on the
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picture there, it was really something. But supposedly it disappeared.
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They don't know exactly what happened to it. It was
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I think on the way too, or maybe was displayed
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at the Chicago World's Fair and then they kind of
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lost track of it.
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That's that's what I've heard. I know that I know
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it made some appearances at some different fairs in Kentucky
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and some different carnivals, and then I had heard I've
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heard two different things. I've heard that it was on
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the way to the Chicago World's Fair, and then I
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had heard it had been displayed at it. So I'm
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not one hundred percent sure. I do know that the
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nephew of the guy who found it in his cave
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on his property came into the jail there, and he
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was actually one that put on loan to us the
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big picture, and then of course we found several I
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think we found three different newspaper articles from nineteen twenty
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one that was talking about this horned beast that he
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had found, and his nephew had said that, you know,
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whether he had made it there in that cave or
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whether he had found it, he did say that he
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did spend some time over in Asia, and you know,
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they were known for their statue making abilities and stuff,
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and said that he had he had become enamored with
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their style of statue building. And so, either way, whether
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it was an elaborate hoax or whether it was something
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that he had actually found, it's pretty incredible for that
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time period to have found something like that and then
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to do what he did with charging for it, and
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for it to essentially become not just a local legend,
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but somewhere something that you know, folks all over East
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Tennessee and Middle Tennessee had heard of this and still
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talk about it today, which I think is pretty fascinating.
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Yeah, if I recalled when they expanded to the rail
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line there into L and N, then it brought a
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lot more people through from other areas and they would
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all get off there to see this devil that they'd
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heard about from people like from Florida and places like that.
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Even so, yeah, yeah, that's just amazing. I've heard also
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that it's rumored to be in a private museum, like
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a home museum somewhere in the north, But I don't know.
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I hope it turns up some days. I'd like to
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see it, or at least a life size recreation of it.
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Ice what had done that?
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Yeah, I am too, you know. And that's the thing,
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because we have heard that, We've heard people. We've had
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people that come into the museum that will ask us
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about and then of course we've had people who go
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up and they actually see the poster and the newspaper
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articles that we have on the second floor, and then
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of course they come down and they want to talk
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a little bit more. But I've heard that it's in
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a somebody's private museum. But whoever has it, I don't
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think it's talking because we've not we've not been able
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to come across and get any valid confirmation as to
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where it would be.
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But I can find that they'd make a fortune if
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they could get a quarter to see it back in
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nineteen twenties. They could charge twenty five bucks today if
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people to come in and look at it.
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Yeah, because from the description there in the twenties it's
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like either like five or six hundred pounds. I mean,
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it's an incredible statue.
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Amazing Now that little town helen Would. I've heard a
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story about how that town was named. I don't know
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if it's turned on but there was some kind of
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explosion there in the woods caught on fire and it
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was literally Hell in the Woods, and then they shortened
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that to helen Wood. Is that true or do you
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know anything about that or have you ever heard that?
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That's what we've always heard, and that's what I always
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tell when I'm talking about helen Wood. You know, a
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lot of the areas there in Scott County. You know,
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I have several friends from the West Virginia area, and
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you know, most of them when they come down they
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talk about, you know, Scott County right there being a
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lot like West Virginia. You know, there was a lot
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of coal mines, and then of course they're right around
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nineteen hundred, there was a huge influx of people that
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came into Scott County for the coal and timber boom,
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and then also in the south end of the county
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the claymaking boom with the bricks and so helen Wood itself,
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they had several mining designs masters, and so I had
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heard that it was a mining disaster, a dynamite explosion
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that caused that fire there in the woods, and that
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was how it got its name because it pretty much
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devastated the community. It was also a pretty lawless community.
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A lot of you know, gun battles and different things
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that went on at some of the different taverns and
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some of the stuff there in the area amongst the
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coal miners. So that that's what I've always heard. And
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in several of the old Scott County books where they
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write about the history, they also talk about that as well,
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So that's kind of what I lean to. I mean,
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you know, I guess.
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And it was a rough and tumble place from the
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accounts I've read and things. And at one time, I
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think it was around the time of the Civil War,
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course that Scott County tried to secede from the State
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of Sea and become the free independent State of Scott.
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So they didn't mess around.
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They didn't know. There was a unanimous vote to basically,
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whenever Tennessee seceded from the Union, we seceeded from Tennessee.
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And we're only one of three other enclave states that
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did that, and so we became the Free and independent
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State of Scott And because of this, this upset Nashville
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and they sent like thirteen hundred troops over from Nashville,
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causing two minor skirmishes, they weren't actually battles, but two skirmishes,
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the Battle of Brimstone and the Battle of Huntsville Mountain.
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And because of that, you know, we had a lot
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of homes that were split. You know, a lot of
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people they tended in the area to side a little
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more with the Union because basically they just really didn't
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want to be involved. And there were some slaves there
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in Scott County, not too many, but there were a few,
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and so you had homes that were split. Now, the
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majority of the fighting that took place was mostly gorilla warfare,
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so it wasn't but you did have you know, when
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you go to the cemeteries. I have some in my family,
487
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:29.400
my great my great uncles and my great great uncles.
488
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:34.279
On my dad's side, they had where you would have
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00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.079
brother fighting brother, one siding with the Union, one siding
490
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.160
with the Confederacy. But for the most part in the area,
491
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.480
it was gorilla warfare and the fascinating thing about that
492
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:50.519
was that even though it was never technically recognized by
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00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.160
the state, they actually didn't take it off the books
494
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.880
until nineteen eighty six when Laura Alexander did a Yeah
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00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:03.680
he did a great homecoming and they actually welcomed us
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00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.640
back into the state of Tennessee back in eighty six.
497
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.839
That's awesome. And the Tennessee State of Tennessee itself was
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00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.880
one time in the state of Franklin, so it's it's
499
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.839
switched around a few times.
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00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:16.519
Yeah.
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00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:20.960
Such a fascinating history with Tennessee, with the Civil War
502
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.240
and then just leading on forward from that, some of
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00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:30.759
these little rural communities, like when you look at historic
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00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.200
Rugby or when you look at Scott County itself, just
505
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.440
an amazing history. I mean, we've we've created an entire
506
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:43.640
ghost walk just in Huntsville alone that we take that
507
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.960
you get to an hour of it is inside the jail.
508
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.599
Another forty five minutes to an hour is really just
509
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.599
walking around Huntsville talking about the history of the county
510
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:59.920
and talking about, you know, some of the interesting history
511
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.240
haunts of the area that people might not really think about.
512
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.480
And then go on over into Rugby, which again is
513
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.759
about twenty minutes away or twenty miles away, and you
514
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.240
have inside of some of these homes. You know, Thomas
515
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.279
Hughes was really good friends with Charles Dickens, and so
516
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:25.759
there's like first edition drawings from Charles Dickens's books in
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00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.680
the Thomas Hughes house there, and first editions of Black
518
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.480
Beauty and Swiss Family Robinson's and you know, prayer books
519
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:40.359
from the sixteen hundreds that's in the library there inside Rugby.
520
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.440
And you just wouldn't think in some of these small
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00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:43.599
rural communities, you.
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00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.359
Would think community like that rural community in Tennessee, that
523
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.039
you did have something like that. But there you go.
524
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.200
There's there's all kinds of surprises over.
525
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.599
There, absolutely just in that area itself. So that's what
526
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.880
we always tell people. It may be a little small,
527
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.759
a small foot print, but it packs a big paranormal
528
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.599
and historical punch in this area. And so we get
529
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.240
people that hear about it and stop in and they're
530
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.519
just amazed by what they find with the history. And
531
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.319
you find that a lot in some of these places.
532
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.000
If you just stop and listen or stop and look,
533
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.920
you can find some really interesting things in some of
534
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.079
these really small towns.
535
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.400
Yeah, I love it. And what are some of the
536
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.640
other legends and folklore over there that people might not
537
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:33.200
have heard of?
538
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.759
Well, the for the jail, some of the things that
539
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.000
I'll start with that since that's where our headquarters is
540
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.799
or our office is.
541
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:47.799
There in the jail.
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00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.319
You know, it's technically the third jail in Scott County.
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00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.920
It was built in nineteen oh four and in operation
544
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.319
until two thousand and eight. And it's, you know, shaped
545
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.160
like a cat there in the middle of East Tennessee,
546
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.200
a three story sandstone castle. And we've had most of
547
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:11.839
our earliest inmates. They were either ridge runners or moonshiners.
548
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:18.240
And we have everything there at the jail from from
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00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.400
a sheriff that was killed there at the front door.
550
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.480
It was an unsolved murder. He was killed ambush style
551
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.400
when he was bringing in a moonshiner and that is
552
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:33.000
one of our unsolved murders there in the county. There
553
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.039
were some deathbed confessionals and some people who thought they
554
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:41.079
knew who it was, but there was really no positive
555
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.440
arrest or anything on that. But that is Sheriff Richard Ellis,
556
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.680
and he does hang out there at the jail. We
557
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.839
get both residual and intelligent activity there from him on
558
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:59.640
all three floors. And then we've had seven lynch mobs
559
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.559
have come into the jail and taken different inmates out.
560
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.759
We do think there were more, but those are the
561
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:11.199
ones that we actually have the newspaper articles death certificates on.
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00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.880
And then we've had fourteen officers who were killed in
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00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.199
the line of duty, which is a pretty high number
564
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.079
for a small rural community. And then of course each
565
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.559
of those have their own interesting stories that go with that.
566
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.800
And then of course there's just some really different and
567
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.960
interesting local stories that are associated there with the jail,
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00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.960
you know, with being open for that that period of time.
569
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.880
There were a lot of people that crossed through those doors. Now,
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00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.159
Scott County itself.
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00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:50.559
One of.
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00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.920
The are kind of going on out a little bit
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00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:59.880
there in Huntsville and Scott County itself. Jesse James, he
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00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.000
he did spend some time there in Huntsville. He was
575
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.920
there for eight months. Now, Huntsville looked a lot different
576
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.440
during that time than it does now. You know, Huntsville
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00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.639
is the county seat. It was labeled that because it's
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00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.760
a horse ride or a day's horse ride from anywhere
579
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.880
in the County. And so at that point in time
580
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.519
when Jesse James was there, it was a big city.
581
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.079
At that point. There were several hotels, there were blacksmith shops,
582
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.239
lawyers offices, lots of general stores, big courthouse of course
583
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.760
the jail. But Jesse James, he did stay there in
584
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:46.440
Sharp's hotel, and he was there, didn't tell anybody that
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00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.480
it was him. He was. He went by the name
586
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.880
David Moore while he was there and ran a feed
587
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.159
and seed store with his brother. Now, by all accounts,
588
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.880
he was an honest businessman while he was there. Now,
589
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.039
he was technically hiding out for some crimes that he
590
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.119
had committed when he was up in Kentucky, and he
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00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:13.199
confessed to Junior Sharp, who was the son of the
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00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.880
motel owner. But he was the only one that actually
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00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.000
knew that that was Jesse James. And so after about
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00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.480
eight months, all of a sudden, he and his brother
595
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.719
just up and disappears. That's when they went on out west.
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00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.639
They did go through Fenters County, because there's some stories
597
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.519
and accounts of them there, but basically he just headed
598
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.480
on out west, and of course you know, the rest
599
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.920
is history, because that was when he headed on out
600
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:47.880
to Missouri. But we do have the full article of
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00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.559
that in the jail that kind of talks about some
602
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.119
of the accounts of people who had encountered him and
603
00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:00.880
the story that Junior Sharp shared about knowing with Jesse
604
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:07.880
James when when he was there. We've had we had
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00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.840
one of our sheriffs. You know, we always say when
606
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.280
it comes to to the jail or to huntsfullo itself,
607
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.360
that the jail was such a big it was a
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00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:25.360
big important building to our to our community there, and
609
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.000
that most people had somebody that served in some capacity.
610
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.599
They either served as a sheriff or served as the
611
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.360
sheriff's wife who was the cook. So they had somebody
612
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.320
that served in the capacity of being on the law
613
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.039
side of things, maybe even a deputy, or they had
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00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.400
family who served time in there. And there was a
615
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.400
couple instances where we had someone who served as both
616
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:58.239
sheriff and served as inmate. And that that particular person
617
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.480
was Marion Carson. He was he served as a deputy
618
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.840
most of his life out there, and then he was
619
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.320
elected as sheriff in nineteen seventy six. And as you're
620
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.960
going into the jail there is there by the door
621
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.280
carved into the sidewalk is it says M. Carson nineteen
622
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.960
seventy six dash, and there's no end date. And the
623
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.800
reason there's no end date is he allegedly got involved
624
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.000
with the Escobar drug cartel, and so there was an
625
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:41.280
undercover FBI sting that took place there, not just in
626
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:47.559
Scott County, but in Roane County Anderson County, it was
627
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.760
all the surrounding areas, and so they ended up arresting
628
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.599
twelve different officials in the surrounding area that had gotten
629
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:04.639
involved with the Escobar drug cartel. And so, unfortunately Marion Carson,
630
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:11.000
he was arrested and he did he did pass in
631
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.239
federal prison. But from all accounts that we've heard from
632
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:18.639
folks that come in, it is a divisive conversation there,
633
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:23.079
and a lot of folks say that even if he were,
634
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.159
if he were still alive today, he would he would
635
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.880
probably still get elected because a lot of people liked
636
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.800
him that much. So we have a lot of stories
637
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.519
like that associated with the jail and associated there with Huntsville.
638
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:45.119
There is a story about our courthouse of one of
639
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:53.159
the guy Doc Chambers. He was on trial there back
640
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.559
in nineteen forty two against He was one of our
641
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:03.440
prominent physicians and he had he was suing suing one
642
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.840
of his customers or one of his patients for unpaid
643
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:11.840
medical bills, and there was an altercation that broke out
644
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:16.480
there during the court trial and Doc Chambers just reached
645
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.800
into his pocket and pulled out his gun and shot
646
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.280
the guy he was suing there on the stand. And
647
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.719
so because of this, there have been stories and rumors
648
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:33.480
there at the courthouse that the courthouse has you can
649
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:38.880
hear phantom gun shots and that you can see shadow figures.
650
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.440
There's also one of the older house homes that's there.
651
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.280
There is a woman lady in white that is often
652
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.679
heard crying and wailing there at the at the stairwell
653
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.840
that we talk about that. We also talked about the
654
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.000
Vanderpool lots that are seen in one of the cemeteries
655
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.280
that is kind of a few miles down from the
656
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.880
square there. Not really sure what those lights are, but
657
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:18.760
several people have seen them, including Senator Howard Baker, who
658
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:24.440
is from Scott County, and he wrote a little snippet
659
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.840
in one of his books about the Vanderpool lights. So,
660
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.599
and of course the county itself is just full of
661
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.199
different stories as far as you know some of the
662
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:40.280
back roads and stuff, some of the things that you
663
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.280
may encounter if you're if you're driving on these back
664
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.079
roads at night. There's one that's one of like a
665
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.360
headless hitchhiker that can be seen on one of the
666
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.880
mountain roads that several people have swore just throughout the generations.
667
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.800
You know that they've encountered a lot of little areas
668
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.280
like that, and you know, I'm sure that's kind of
669
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.679
the same way with a lot of little small towns.
670
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.559
Yeah, I've heard similar stories like that from from Finst
671
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.679
County and Cumberland County and some places like that. But again,
672
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.480
I think every little community, every little place has those
673
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.159
kind of legends. It's fascinating to think about. I wanted
674
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.400
to get back to the jail for a minute. Last
675
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.480
week on this show. I had my friend Michael Latiana
676
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.880
on and he mentioned you. That was why I thought
677
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:32.719
to get back in touch with you and see if
678
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.880
you wanted to come on here. Now, did he record
679
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.440
some e vps while he was there at the Scott
680
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.079
County Jail.
681
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.599
Uh No, I don't. I don't think he has been
682
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.800
to the jail yet. I think he's planning to come.
683
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.000
I don't.
684
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.800
I don't know if I'm recording any there.
685
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:57.320
Yeah, I know over Petross at the Russian Mountains, Yes, prison,
686
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.079
I think they've got the same thing that they do
687
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.440
over there at the prison. Now, that's that's just outside
688
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.280
of what Burg or Watburg. If you're from that area,
689
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.559
and I heard some good EVPs from there, that's frightening place.
690
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.480
Of course, that's that's very story. That's where James Rolay
691
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.760
was and been all kinds of murders and things inside
692
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.320
the prison.
693
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.199
So no doubt it's on it, no doubt about it.
694
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:29.079
I have actually investigated Brushy Mountain on six different occasions,
695
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.079
and on one of those occasions, I actually slept there
696
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.880
in the solitary confinement or the whole and that's the
697
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.159
place I got some of my best EVPs class A EVPs,
698
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.800
very intelligent, as well as some residual I slept for
699
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.639
about three and a half hours and got like a
700
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:57.599
solid three minute and fifteen second when I compiled it
701
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:02.840
all together series of vps. And what's what's fascinating about
702
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.239
Brushy Mountain is that's where we would have sent our
703
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.920
state or federal prisoners from the jail, so you know,
704
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.079
be in a county jail, you know you're you have
705
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.360
typically shorter sentences. But the ones who were murderers or
706
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.880
like I said, had committed a state or federal crime
707
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.679
and they were sentenced, we would send them to Brushy
708
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:33.320
Mountain or to Morgan County Correctional Facility if they if
709
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.159
they had the longer sentence. So there's that connection there
710
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.400
and brush he's right about forty five minutes from the jail,
711
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.039
and they have that set up as a really great
712
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.079
destination where you can go and you can eat some
713
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.519
great barbecue, get you some some liquor. They've got a
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00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.960
distillery there and on the property itself, or spend the
715
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.480
and do a paranormal investigation. And the tours they do
716
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.760
are great too because they're led by former prison guards
717
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:12.960
or former inmates. And I just I absolutely love that location.
718
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:18.760
And Michael, he's such a good investigator and usually gets
719
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:22.719
some amazing EVPs. So I can't wait for him to
720
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.079
come and check out check out the jail.
721
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:28.280
And yeah, I was thinking he had already been there.
722
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.519
We talked to so many different locations, but yeah, and
723
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I told him, I think it's him because he has
724
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.960
all this equipment. He started out like with a big, real,
725
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.880
real tape deck, and I think it's just him. I
726
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.519
think he's haunted. I think he could take a Fisher
727
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.199
Price kids Consider recorder in there and get EVPs. But
728
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:50.079
he does. He has some of the most amazing that
729
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.679
I've ever heard. We played about a dozen on last
730
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.719
week's episode, and some of them are frightening. I mean,
731
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.119
there's very distinct voices. You could hear accents, you can.
732
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.079
There's one that sound like a little girl, and this
733
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.880
was in a place where there were absolutely no children.
734
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.639
And yeah, he just so I'll really be interested to
735
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.639
see what he gets when he does come to the
736
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:12.639
Scott County Jail.
737
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:13.960
Yeah.
738
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.760
I actually had the pleasure of getting to meet him
739
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.239
in person at Henry River Mill Village there in Hickory,
740
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:26.519
North Carolina, and.
741
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.199
That they used in the Hunger Games.
742
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:34.599
It is it is. Yeah, that that great location and
743
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:41.039
great great EVPs from that place, you know, that's that's
744
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:45.760
probably I was speaking at an event and playing some
745
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.119
of the EVPs there. I think it was their Booze
746
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.079
and Bruis event that they had a few years back,
747
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:55.400
and I know it's not very far from where Michael
748
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.880
lives or where he lived at one time at least,
749
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.920
and so he came over and actually got to meet
750
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.400
him in person, and I just love chatting with him
751
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:09.639
because he's got some great stories and just just an
752
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:10.920
amazing investigator.
753
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.800
Yeah. Then I've been on with on Cisco Murdock's Journey
754
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.440
to the Gay Paranormal Portal podcast. I've been on with
755
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.360
her when he's been a guest too. That's the first
756
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.679
place I met him several years ago, and he's just
757
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.800
fascinating and he's lived some of the same places I have.
758
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.320
He lived in Mountain City, Tennessee for a while, which
759
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.960
is way up in the northeastern tip up there. A
760
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.679
lot of spooky stuff up there too. Yeah.
761
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.239
Yeah, Jonesborough and all that up in that the old
762
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.079
part of East Tennessee there.
763
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.000
Yeah, that was a nice thing about Mountain City. You
764
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.159
were close to Boone, North Carolina, and from there it
765
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.559
wasn't too far on over to Brown Mountain. I've seen
766
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.000
the Brown Mountain Lights several times. Or you could go
767
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:03.039
suit Damascus, Virginia, or down to Johnson City and the
768
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.559
Tri Cities. A lot of haunted stuff down there. Etsu
769
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.840
that campus is supposed to be haunted in Abingdon, Virginia,
770
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.039
just down the road from Damascus there Martha Washington End,
771
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.920
and then across the street from that Barter Theater. Both
772
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.079
those locations are just super active.
773
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.360
Yeah, yeah, And.
774
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.559
I mean just that, I don't think there's a shortage
775
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:31.480
of places here in East Tennessee or just in Tennessee
776
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.159
itself that that doesn't have have something going on.
777
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.440
So, out of the places that you have visited or investigated,
778
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.679
of what do you consider the most active or the
779
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.159
one that was the scariest for you the sleeping in
780
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.760
the prison that that sounds scary to me.
781
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:52.280
That that was pretty intense. Like I said, I think
782
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.559
I think on that one, I probably got the uh.
783
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.119
It's probably some of the best EVPs that I've ever
784
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.119
captured because what I did was so I'm typically a
785
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:07.559
solo investigator, but I will collab on some and I
786
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.840
like to keep it small when i'm investigating. That way
787
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.360
I can account for, you know, just investigate with one
788
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.440
or two other people if I'm not investigating solo, just
789
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.039
so I can account for everything that's going on. But
790
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:25.039
on that particular night, it was part of a full
791
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.119
weekend investigation, and so the first day I was investigating.
792
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.519
For the first night, I was investigating by myself, and
793
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.920
then the second night, the folks that run the paranormal
794
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.559
there was doing something a little special and different, and
795
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:44.519
they had invited back some of their friends that had
796
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.800
investigated early on, and so I was one of the
797
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.960
people they had invested they had invited back, and so
798
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.400
there was about about nine other people that were coming
799
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:01.239
back on that Saturday night. And so so I had
800
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.800
investigated all night Friday night, and it was about eight
801
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.239
thirty that morning, and so I thought, I'm gonna I'm
802
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.800
gonna try something a little bit different from what I
803
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:17.320
typically do, and I put a recorder out as well
804
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.440
as some cameras, and I went over to the hole
805
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.800
to sleep. I just kind of felt drawn to sleep there,
806
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.840
and part of that was because it was it was dark,
807
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:31.320
and so it was dark and cooler. But the hole
808
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.159
is just what it sounds like. It's basically a hole
809
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:40.599
there that there were were three different cells, and that's
810
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.960
where they would put if you had misbehaved, they would
811
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.400
put you in there. And basically you had two buckets,
812
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.800
one to use the bathroom in and one for your food.
813
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:53.199
And it said that Basically it was so dark that
814
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.679
by the time you came out of there, most people
815
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.800
they had a hard time seeing because they would be
816
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.000
in there for like up to twenty eight days. And
817
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.679
so so I was I didn't even know if I'd
818
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.880
be able to sleep, but I was so tired after investigating,
819
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.320
and I thought, if I can just get just a
820
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.719
little bit of, you know, a few hours of sleep,
821
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.320
I'll be fine. And I actually went right off to sleep,
822
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.280
and I did wake up just a couple times. Nothing
823
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.519
touched me, nothing made a sound that I was able
824
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:32.000
to pinpoint that woke me up, at least in the moment.
825
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.320
But when I went back and watched my video and
826
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.679
audio evidence, there was somebody walking. And of course the
827
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.679
only people on the property that morning was myself and
828
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.920
then the two ladies that run the paranormal there, and
829
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.519
they were actually asleep in the office, and so I
830
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.480
was in the hole. Was in a totally different building
831
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.440
than the main prison.
832
00:51:58.199 --> 00:51:58.679
And so.
833
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.920
You hear something walking in the hall or on the
834
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.360
stairs there, and it sounds like it comes up to
835
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.440
my door, and in just this deep, garbled, gravelly voice,
836
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:18.679
you hear something say not not, and as clear as
837
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:24.079
can be, and then what I did was I put
838
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.760
it together as a montage and I highlighted it in
839
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:33.960
season two of Ghost Biker Explorations. But basically, at one point,
840
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.199
you hear a conversation of two men. There were no
841
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.199
men on the property that morning. You hear a conversation
842
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:43.280
of two men. One sounds like they may be in
843
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.400
my cell. The other sounds like the cell beside me.
844
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.400
It's real muffled. And then you hear this deep voiced
845
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.920
guy say help me. And then it was like a
846
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.639
whisper that says help me, and it sounds clearly male
847
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.599
as well, and it sounded almost in distress. There's laughing
848
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:14.960
going on and cell door slamming, and then at one
849
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.480
point it sounds like I believe this was residual. And
850
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:22.440
at this time this would have been I believe in
851
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.239
two thousand and fifteen or sixteen. So Brushy was not open.
852
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.559
There was no power in the building, and it wasn't open.
853
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.639
It didn't open until twenty nineteen for people to come
854
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:41.840
in and actually be able to take tours and the
855
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.639
museum and such. It wasn't open till then. So on
856
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.719
the upper level above the whole, that's where the laundry
857
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.960
room is and so at one point in time you
858
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.840
hear what sounds like a dryer door slam, and then
859
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.800
it sounds like it's running, which at you know, eight
860
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.679
nine o'clock in the morning, that would have been when
861
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.400
laundry would have been going on. So I was getting
862
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.280
a lot of residual sounds, but you can hear that
863
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.840
unmistakable dryer sound, and there was no power there. And
864
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.800
then the thing that was the most puzzling to me was,
865
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.639
for five minutes straight toward the end of the recording,
866
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:30.440
you hear what sounds almost like a ball being bounced
867
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.679
against the wall. It's almost like it bounces on the floor,
868
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.360
hits the wall, bounces back onto the floor and back
869
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:43.159
to the hand, and it goes for five whole minutes
870
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.639
and it's just a back and forth. Now I don't
871
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.000
know if that's if it was a ball, that's just
872
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:51.920
what it sounded like to me because it's just consistent
873
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.239
for five minutes. And I was on a podcast playing
874
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.679
that series of EVPs, and I was talking to a
875
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:04.920
guy who used to be a former corrections officer up
876
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.159
in New England, and he said, that actually makes a
877
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:12.679
lot of sense because he said at that point in time,
878
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.320
in the late seventies early eighties, it wouldn't have been
879
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.280
uncommon for them to have been given a rubber ball,
880
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.880
because a rubber ball would be something that would be
881
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.039
a little bit harder to fashion into some type of
882
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:34.000
shank now, and so I believe that was some type
883
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:38.400
of residual thing that could have been very common that
884
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.280
you would hear there inside the hole.
885
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.320
Wow, that's quite a story. I don't think I could
886
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.679
sleep in there. And I've spent the night in some
887
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.480
haunted places, but there's just something about a prison that
888
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.480
I've seen Alcatraz and stuff, But I don't think I
889
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.760
would want to spend the night in any prison. Although
890
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.599
when I do come back to Tennis See, I might
891
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:03.880
do one of those overnights in the Scott County Jail.
892
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.199
That sounds fascinating.
893
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.559
I would love to see what you would get there
894
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:09.639
at the Scott County Jail.
895
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:10.280
You know.
896
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.440
To me, that kind of changed. I was not expecting
897
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.280
to hear all that when I was going back and
898
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.400
reviewing my evidence. And so if I get the opportunity
899
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.760
when I'm at a location and I can, I don't
900
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.679
spend my time sleeping at the places. But if I
901
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:33.079
can either stay overnight or lay down for a few hours,
902
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:37.679
I get a lot of different things when I'm actively
903
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:44.199
investigating versus when I'm in more of a subconscious, relaxed,
904
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.480
vulnerable state of sleeping. And I really like trying that
905
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:54.719
sometimes because sometimes if it's a quiet night, nothing's happening things.
906
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.880
It's almost like turning on a light switch when I'm
907
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:04.039
laying there sleeping, because sometimes I get intelligent responses based
908
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:08.400
on what I'm doing, you know, and and if I'm
909
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.599
sleeping it. I don't know if it is unusual to
910
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:18.239
the spirits there, or if maybe they're more comfortable communicating
911
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.800
when I'm in that vulnerable state. I'm not. I haven't
912
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:26.400
really figured out exactly why I get that different activity,
913
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:30.480
but it's definitely an experiment I like to try, especially
914
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.519
in a place like a prison, because it would have
915
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:36.880
been it would have been unusual or uncommon for a
916
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:37.719
female to.
917
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:42.719
Nothing else. I don't stir the spirits up.
918
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.840
Yeah yeah, so, but now at our jail, we had
919
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.039
both male and female inmates inside there, but of course
920
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:56.599
at the big prison they really the only females that
921
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.599
were in there would have been ones who were either
922
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.400
cooking or worked in administration of some sorts.
923
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.960
Well, now, what about as far as your buncket list,
924
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.119
what are someplace that you haven't been that you'd love
925
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.360
to go. What's the top of your list there?
926
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.119
You know, I would love to load up the bike
927
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:22.599
and head out, maybe en Route sixty six, stopping at
928
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:27.119
some of the different local legends or some of the
929
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.760
different stories there along that route.
930
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.079
Fun drive. I've done it in a car, it would
931
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.960
be great on a bike. And I was in a hurry.
932
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.519
I was moving from Orlando to Las Vegas, and I
933
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.280
think I left Orlando on a Thursday, and I had
934
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.280
a job wid on me in Vegas Monday, so I
935
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:48.280
didn't get to take a whole lot of time to
936
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.320
see the country. But I'd love to do that, just
937
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.320
as I leisurely drive. And there's a lot of places
938
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.760
along that route, yes.
939
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.800
So many places to just stop, you know, and and
940
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.760
hit up some of those well known places. I would
941
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.679
either like to do that or just take off on
942
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.159
several different bike rides and and hit I'd like to
943
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:17.119
hit some locations there on Route sixty six, several on
944
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:23.159
the Mississippi Blues Trail, and then like the Natchez trace
945
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.840
and just see if, if you know, get the ride
946
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.280
in itself, but then stop at several of those places
947
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.760
and or stop at as many of them as I
948
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:38.559
could and share those stories and see if there's any
949
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.400
paranormal activity along the way.
950
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.599
Wow, sounds like a lot of fun. Book wise, what
951
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:45.760
are you up to? Have you got a book in
952
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:46.519
the works?
953
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.280
You know, I've got one that I've been kicking around
954
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.159
that is a little bit different that.
955
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:56.000
You know.
956
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.639
So, So, I'm an artist and I draw a lot
957
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.599
of the the locations that I visit. I'm trying to
958
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:10.719
draw all of them. But the book is part drawing
959
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:16.719
and part investigation, and it's kind of chronicling those investigations
960
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:21.760
that I've done and with the artwork that I've done.
961
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.719
I have no idea when that will when that will
962
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.639
be finished, but it's something.
963
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.079
That's fascinating now I look forward to, especially with the
964
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.880
artwork and describing or showing what you're describing there. That'd
965
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:35.360
be great.
966
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:38.360
Well, thank you, thank you. Yeah, just like I said,
967
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.239
it's it's just something a little bit different. Because I
968
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:46.119
always that's how I fund my web series is through
969
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.440
my artwork, through the cell of the prince and so
970
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.760
I always try to draw the location and give the
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01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.920
give the original to the owner of the location, whether
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01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.639
it be either a commercial location or a lesser known place,
973
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.000
and then I get prints made of it, and then
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01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.159
I fund my travels by the sale of those prints.
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01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.079
And so that's cool. Now more words available that do
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01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:13.599
you have like an Etsy shop or do you sew
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01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.079
them on your website.
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01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.320
Or I've got them on my website. Yeah, and but
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01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.559
if somebody you know sees something there, they can also
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01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.519
just reach out to me. I've got them, got them
981
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.840
on my Facebook page, but then also on Ghost Biker
982
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:28.559
Explorations dot com.
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01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.119
I'll put those links in the show description. We Brandon,
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01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.320
We're almost out of time here tonight, but I want
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01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.039
to thank you for joining me and I look forward
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01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.679
to being on your show at the end of the month.
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01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.639
It's been a couple of years since I've been over there,
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01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.920
but thanks again for being here, and one more time,
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01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.920
tell everybody where they can find out about you online.
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01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.920
Yeah, well, you know, first off, thank you Steve for
991
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.280
having me on. This has been so much fun. And
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01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.000
any opportunity I get to be able to sit down
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01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.559
and chat with you, I always want to want to
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01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.679
take you up on that, and always I appreciate that absolutely.
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01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:07.079
So folks can go back and watch all of the
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01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.280
past seasons of Ghost Biker Explorations on the Ghost Biker
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01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:16.639
Explorations YouTube channel or the Ghost Biker Explorations Facebook page.
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01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:20.199
They can also watch the weekly live stream that we
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01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.920
do on Thursday nights on those two pages as well.
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01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:29.079
You can also go to www dot Ghost Biker Explorations
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01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.920
dot com and I believe there are links to listen
1002
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.280
to past podcasts, watch the past episodes. You can buy
1003
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.159
Ghost Biker merchandise including those drawings, and find out about
1004
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.880
events and special appearances that's going to be going on
1005
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:49.079
now you can follow You can also follow us under
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01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.320
the Historic Scott County Jail Facebook page or the Historic
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01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.320
Scott coo Jail dot com. And then also if you
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01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:03.199
look up his Historic Rugby after Dark, you can find
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01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.320
out more information about all the cool things that we're
1010
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.320
we've got going on there at Rugby. Or we have
1011
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:12.239
one full website that has a link to the jail
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01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.280
and a link to Rugby and that is History Highways
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01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.039
Haunts dot com.
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01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.679
That's awesome. Thanks again, Miranda, and be sure and check
1015
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:26.159
out Miranda's links there. Thanks again, Miranda, Thank you Steve,
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01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.559
and thanks you Biker Explorations and the historic Scott County
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01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.679
Jail and joining me for this hour of everything out
1018
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.760
there here on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero Radio Network
1019
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:41.760
is international author, paranormalist and Deathdula mont Lyn. Thanks for
1020
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.599
joining us again, come on in here.
1021
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.320
Oh Steve, thank you so much for inviting me. It's
1022
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.519
always a pleasure and I was really looking forward to
1023
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.599
doing this with you tonight.
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01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.320
Yeah, ad John. Recently we talked about being the Paranormal Nurse.
1025
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.719
That was what I titled that episode. But tonight I'd
1026
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.719
like to talk about your books, in particular Omnipresent in
1027
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.920
that series. So the floor is yours.
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01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:09.360
Oh well, thank you so much. I have. Omnipresent is
1029
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.760
a book that I wrote about a house that I
1030
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.840
moved into as a single mother that was so haunted
1031
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.039
that I never was able to move into it. I
1032
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:24.119
ended up reselling it like eight months later. With that
1033
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.000
being said, Omnipresent is going to end up being a
1034
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.480
series of five books, which I'll go into the detail
1035
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.440
of a little bit more of them, a little bit
1036
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.559
of each of them. There's Omnipresent, which is the first one,
1037
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.440
of course, about the house that I didn't move into.
1038
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:41.320
Then there's a second one. It's called Omnipresent What Happened Next,
1039
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:44.639
because everybody wanted to know what had happened next, So
1040
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:48.840
in that book, it talks about what happened with the
1041
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.800
people that bought the house, It talks about what happened
1042
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.519
to the about with the people that sold me the house,
1043
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.760
and all of how that came together, as well as
1044
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.679
because in that house and connecting with people of like mind,
1045
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:07.400
I was able to start enriching some gifts that I
1046
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.880
had that I had kind of shoved aside due to
1047
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:14.440
being taught that they were negative things to have, that
1048
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:19.280
they were kind of crazy and you know, very negative things.
1049
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.840
So I was able to do that, and with that
1050
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:25.039
I was able to also continue with my gift of
1051
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:29.119
second sight and be more opened with it. That being said,
1052
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.639
in the second book Omnipresent, What Happens Next, I did
1053
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.440
a rotation as a nurse to further my degree, and
1054
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.400
I had to do a rotation through a psychiatric ward
1055
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:43.079
for my psyche class. We were put in different institutions
1056
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.000
over for like a week at a time, where we
1057
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.920
would follow certain patients. And in that it talks about
1058
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.280
how I recognized attachments on people with schizophrenia and attachments
1059
01:05:55.280 --> 01:06:00.360
a different type of attachment on people with addiction, so
1060
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:05.599
and and this and was consistent. Bear with me one second,
1061
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.639
I'm sorry, Bear with me. I'm sorry. I've got a
1062
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:13.079
little kitten playing with my leg in your table. I
1063
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:14.679
had to call my daughter to come and get it
1064
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:17.920
because it's kind of biting me. So he wants to
1065
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.480
play and he's just a little a little ruffian. But
1066
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:26.760
so with that, I've started to connect with doctor Jerry Marvinski,
1067
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.519
who is a trailblazer in Arizona who has come up
1068
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:36.440
with new ways to treat schizophrenia without medication, and his
1069
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.679
technique is very successful with many of his clients. But
1070
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.119
I connected up with him, so I had some things
1071
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:45.320
that I'm doing are kind of going down that avenue
1072
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:49.280
and helping remove attachments and things on people. But then
1073
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.920
there's the third book in the Omnipresent series, which will
1074
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:56.039
end up being a series of five books total. The
1075
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.480
third book is one to eleven Becket on Drive. It's
1076
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.000
a story about where I actually signed a lease to
1077
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:08.119
an apartment townhouse when I was kind of frantic looking
1078
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.239
to move. My lease was ending in the other place,
1079
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:13.320
and I was trying to find an affordable place, and
1080
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.440
come to find out that that place was also haunted.
1081
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.559
Only this time I couldn't get out of my lease,
1082
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.400
and I had to move in there, and I had
1083
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.400
to live there the whole stink in year, putting up
1084
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:28.920
with a ghost that literally I have a picture of.
1085
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:30.880
I took a picture of it. That was going from
1086
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:35.960
townhouse to townhouse, pulling down women's underwear in the middle
1087
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.679
of the night, pulling their sheets down, crawling in bed
1088
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.719
with them. He was tapping on the nightstand. There were
1089
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.440
several ghosts in the house, but this one in particular
1090
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.199
seemed to be darker than the rest, and he kind
1091
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.880
of manipulated all of the rest of the spirits that
1092
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:55.000
were kind of lingering in that building. Of course, I
1093
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:56.559
did try to get out of it, but I was
1094
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.880
unable to, and because of the circumstances, I right into it.
1095
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.559
I didn't take the time to go in with my
1096
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.960
feelers on, so to speak. I literally met the lady
1097
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:11.079
with the deposit that it ends assigned papers on my
1098
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.639
first viewing. So I walked through, I took ten minutes.
1099
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.560
And some things also happened with that where I found
1100
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.840
out from the maid, the cleaning person that that particular
1101
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.640
apartment had a portal in it as well as the
1102
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.279
one next door to it. And little by little, and
1103
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.840
I'll go into more of it after I tell you
1104
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:35.920
about the book things. But little by little, I ended
1105
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.600
up having a meeting in the parking lot, everybody in
1106
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:40.800
their lawn chairs, and we all started talking about the
1107
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:42.600
things that have been happening in our house. And I
1108
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:45.199
got a picture of the ghosts. And usually they show
1109
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.560
up with clothes on most of the time. I mean,
1110
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.640
nobody wants to see mom naked, especially if you're crossing over,
1111
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.920
so you know, kind of make you you want to
1112
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.640
run in the other direction. So they usually show up
1113
01:08:56.680 --> 01:08:59.520
and clothes, but there are times that they don't, and
1114
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.359
this was one of those times, and so I did
1115
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:07.119
get a picture of the naked ghost in this lady's house.
1116
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.560
After that one, the fourth book in the Omnipresent series
1117
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:15.439
is going to be Omnipresent Gnome as in g n
1118
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.800
O m E Nome Place like Home. It is a
1119
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:23.600
story about a house that I recently inherited when my
1120
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:27.279
sister passed away in June that she was under the
1121
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:32.399
impression was haunted. She felt that people that there might
1122
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.079
be people doing dark magic on her with some of
1123
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:40.159
the things that were happening in her life, that you know,
1124
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.640
her business was failing, her health was failing in all
1125
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.159
of these things. So she assumed, because she couldn't understand
1126
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:49.439
any other reason why it wouldn't be working out, that
1127
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.399
it was because people were doing things. And it turned
1128
01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:57.199
out not to be any of those things. But when
1129
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:01.479
she passed away, she came back and she's like, did
1130
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:04.119
you see him? Did you see him? She had a
1131
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:10.159
a Bogart that is now evolved into a rock and
1132
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.079
type fay that was living on her property and was
1133
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.079
very very disgruntled and angry with her because she had
1134
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:21.359
removed a rock from the yard that belonged to him
1135
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:24.199
and placed it in a room upstairs in her house.
1136
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.439
And like a parent to a child, I mean, if
1137
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.000
somebody abducted my child, I know that I would be
1138
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.760
doing terrible things to them if I could, so absolutely
1139
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:35.760
go ahead.
1140
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:39.199
Oh, I just said absolutely. That's you don't stand up
1141
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.439
for that. They don't get between a bear and the cubs,
1142
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:43.640
that is for.
1143
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:46.520
Sure, and so, and that's kind of what happened, because
1144
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:51.079
this rock was very precious to this they who we
1145
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:55.520
now call Bob, because his name is such a group
1146
01:10:55.560 --> 01:11:00.199
of letters and symbols that we don't even recognize that
1147
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.399
it would be impossible to pronounce his name practically, kind
1148
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.600
of like a rumpel Stiltskin thing, but even worse than that.
1149
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.520
So we've agreed to call him Bob, and he's okay
1150
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:11.680
with that. So I referenced him as Bob. But Bob
1151
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:19.159
has since evolved into this very delightful entity that enchants
1152
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:23.159
the house now instead of haunts it. So it's very
1153
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.239
very he does some very beautiful things, and I'll go
1154
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:31.840
into that story as well. Also, it's verified. If anybody's questioning,
1155
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.600
it is verified. We've had a paranormal group or two
1156
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.159
out there that have also done the e DP readings.
1157
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:41.319
They've actually seen Bob. Bob presents at the gate. Unlike
1158
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.079
ghosts who kind of linger back and wait to watch
1159
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.159
you for a little while, this guy presents at the
1160
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.239
gate when you arrive. He is like the first man
1161
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.680
there to greet you. So he doesn't he's not bashful,
1162
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:57.560
and he does come forward. But so I'm going to
1163
01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.399
be writing that, and then there'll be a fifth book
1164
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.279
in the series. I haven't quite decided which direction it's
1165
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:04.720
going to go, because it seems like life keeps throwing
1166
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:07.520
curveballs and heading me in other directions. But it'll be
1167
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:12.039
again something on that line with the Known Place Like Home.
1168
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:16.319
There'll be two additional books that spawn, for lack of
1169
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.079
a better word, off of that book. So there'll be
1170
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:22.199
three books in that Known Place Like Home series off
1171
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.279
off of the Omnipresent, and there'll be a total of
1172
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.600
five in the Omnipresent series. I also have the book
1173
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:33.159
The Colors of Heaven Beginnings Never End Out, which is
1174
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:39.640
a beautiful story about death and dying. I've been a
1175
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.600
end of life care nurse. I've been a nurse for
1176
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.039
forty years. I just turned sixty one two weeks ago
1177
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:49.399
on Friday, and so I've been in healthcare for a
1178
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.000
long time, and seventeen eighteen years of that has been
1179
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.119
an end of life care. I also just recently graduated
1180
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:57.920
with my death Duela certificate, which people say, well, what
1181
01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.000
is a death dula. It's kind of like a midwife
1182
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:04.800
for people going out where like a midwife helps bring
1183
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.279
babies in a death dula is like a midwife that
1184
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:12.119
helps them go out, So that's kind of where the
1185
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.039
difference is. And then we kind of do an all
1186
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:18.039
rounded thing where we help people if they need help
1187
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.159
with their end of life directives, if they need guidance
1188
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:24.399
on setting things up, we help them do that by
1189
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.960
themselves so they don't have to pay like an attorney
1190
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.039
or something like that, because a lot of it you
1191
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.680
can do yourself, and as long as your signatures notarize,
1192
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.680
it's good to go. I'm going to be writing a
1193
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.680
sequel to that one since my sister's passing, because the
1194
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:40.039
thing that I noticed is that when my mother passed,
1195
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:42.399
she stayed in her body until the last minute, and
1196
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.439
my sister I saw her leave about forty five minutes early.
1197
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.720
So at the time of the soul leaving, it could
1198
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.520
be days before, it could be at the last minute,
1199
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:53.640
and then the body's just left to finish. And a
1200
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.560
lot of times people assume that when the body takes
1201
01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.199
its last breath, that that's when the soul leaves, and
1202
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.319
that's not true. It leaves whenever it wants to leave,
1203
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.680
and a lot of times, you know the person spirit
1204
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.479
might be standing right next to you while you're looking
1205
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.399
at themselves. Laying there is just the same as a
1206
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:14.920
person guest is in the room. So I have another
1207
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.239
book that is off the beaten path. It's not paranormal related,
1208
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.800
but it is teenage and adolescent related. It's called The Gap.
1209
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:27.039
I was looking for a book for my own daughter,
1210
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:31.600
who is now fifteen and a half, and there was
1211
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.359
kind of this gap of information between the birds and
1212
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.439
the bees where they leave off and where the human
1213
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:41.800
trafficking picks up. There's that gray area like about you know,
1214
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:46.600
dating and putting your phone away when you go out
1215
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.600
on a date, because now you see kids sitting across
1216
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.760
tables from themselves and they're both on their phones and
1217
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.600
they're supposed to be on a date, or you know,
1218
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.359
making sure that their shoes are clean and not stinky,
1219
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.880
and it you know, talks about too what to do
1220
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.279
for condom breaks. So it's not that I'm encouraging your
1221
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:03.840
children to have sex, but if they are having sex,
1222
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.039
they need to know what to do if a condom
1223
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:08.199
does slip off or break so that they can protect
1224
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:12.319
their future and also to clear up any misconceptions, like
1225
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.119
the first time that they have an intimate moment with
1226
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.840
someone that they can't get pregnant. Well, I got news
1227
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:21.399
for you, Yes you can. So there are all these
1228
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:27.560
misconceptions that these kids have that aren't really covered for
1229
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.800
them in that much detail, and they kind of figure
1230
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:32.439
it out as they go. So that's what that book
1231
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.720
is about. It goes into also how to clean a
1232
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:37.119
refrigerator from top to bottom and remember to turn it
1233
01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:39.840
back on when you're done. It talks about how to
1234
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:41.439
get in and out of a trunk if you get
1235
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.439
abducted and you're putting a trunk, where the trunk releases
1236
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.399
on the inside, what it looks like, and where a
1237
01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.159
crowbar is so that if you get the trunk open
1238
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.279
and you've got that crowbar to whack somebody in the
1239
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:54.399
head if you have to while you're running for your
1240
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:58.119
life or whatever. And how to break out the back light.
1241
01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.800
So there's a lot of good stuff in it that
1242
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.640
is hopefully helpful. How to make right good decisions, How
1243
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.119
to say no, you know, to things who still safe place,
1244
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.439
because at that age they're so impressionable and really really
1245
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.680
wanting to be the cool kid, and this gives the
1246
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.359
things it actually tells them what to say not just no,
1247
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:22.079
you don't do this and you don't do that, but
1248
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:25.239
it actually says this is what you can do, and
1249
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.319
this is how it will work out, so that they
1250
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:32.239
can save face and still make their set their boundaries
1251
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.119
and keep them. So those are the books that I've
1252
01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:37.960
got out right now, and I'll be happy to you.
1253
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.399
Wanted to kind of start on the very first one,
1254
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:42.319
which is Omnipresent, Is that right?
1255
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.840
Yeah? Yeah, I'd like to start there. All fascinating and
1256
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.640
I saw the gap on Amazon and I wasn't sure
1257
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:49.359
if that was one of yours or not, but I'm
1258
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:53.600
pappy good it is. That's much needed information, especially in
1259
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.520
this day and age. But yeah, if you'd like to
1260
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.720
go ahead and start with Omnipresent, then we'll go from there.
1261
01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:03.279
Okay, I'm happy to omni President again. As I had mentioned,
1262
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:05.439
is a story about a house that I purchased as
1263
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:08.800
a single mother that I never was able to move into.
1264
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:12.720
Leading up to the purchase of this house, I had
1265
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:15.239
been looking for a home for about a year and
1266
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.399
a half. I had this realtor person that every time
1267
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:21.000
we would find someplace. Because I was a single mother
1268
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:24.920
and my income was not as high as everybody else's. I,
1269
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.600
of course, was in a bracket. I could only choose
1270
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.159
from a certain bracket of houses. So when we would
1271
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:33.720
come across something decent, sometimes I would want to step
1272
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.560
away and think about it and make sure. But then
1273
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:38.479
by the time i'd go back, even a couple of
1274
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.039
days later to make an offer, the house would be gone.
1275
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:45.159
So this particular house, I got a call from my
1276
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.920
realtor and she told me that her colleague had just
1277
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.279
come from the house. The house was not even listed
1278
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.399
on the MLS yet, that she had just come back
1279
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:57.680
from taking pictures of it and was getting ready to
1280
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:01.920
list it, and that this house was almost too good,
1281
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:04.039
it was in my price range, and that it was
1282
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.119
almost too good to be true, which of course should
1283
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.319
have resonated with me, because it was too good to
1284
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:12.600
be true. And so I was so excited. I got ready.
1285
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.479
I drove over to the reeltor's office. She's waiting out
1286
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.199
front for me. We hop in the car, and she's
1287
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:19.840
giving me all of these papers to look through of
1288
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:23.880
now that it is going onto the MLS, all of
1289
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:28.199
the pictures and the particulars about how big it was
1290
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:30.680
and you know, what area was in and that sort
1291
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.840
of thing. And so as we're driving there, I'm looking
1292
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:35.880
at these pictures and I'm like, are you sure that
1293
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.720
this price is right? Because this house could easily sell
1294
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.359
for one hundred thousand dollars more than what they're asking.
1295
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:44.960
So we called the realtor and sure enough, the price
1296
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.279
was right. And then I had her make two more
1297
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:50.479
phone calls, one asking what the problem with it was,
1298
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:53.239
you know, was it next to a stinky paper mill
1299
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:55.560
or is there a dump or a junk yard at
1300
01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:57.680
the end of the street. And it was none of
1301
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.439
those things. It was on in a dead end street,
1302
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:02.840
on what I call a trick or treat neighborhood, so
1303
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:04.800
the houses are close enough that when you go trick
1304
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.439
or treating you can get a lot of candy, you know,
1305
01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:10.560
by going house to house. But yet there it was
1306
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:13.600
private because there was a three acre lot behind it
1307
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:19.000
before the other house, before the house behind it connected with,
1308
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.119
so there was a lot of privacy in the back.
1309
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:23.479
And of course being on the dead end street, it
1310
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:26.760
was quiet. It was in a great school area, low
1311
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.720
tax is. It was a very desirable house. So as
1312
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.359
we're driving there, I'm kind of checking out the neighborhood.
1313
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:34.399
As we get closer and it was there were nice
1314
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.439
brick houses. I mean, there was nothing wrong with the neighborhood.
1315
01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:39.920
It was a couple of blocks from the hospital, which
1316
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:42.520
was perfect for me because I'm a nurse, and I thought, well, gee,
1317
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.720
I could ride my bike or walk if ever I
1318
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.159
had to, so it wouldn't be a big big deal.
1319
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:52.279
But when we pulled into the to the driveway of
1320
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.840
this house, it was this beautiful two story brick house,
1321
01:19:54.880 --> 01:20:00.399
split level, double entry doors, and it was beautiful. It
1322
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.880
was freshly painted on this nice, big mode crass Florida
1323
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:05.840
flat lot, and good luck finding one of those in
1324
01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.039
North Carolina. And when we went up to the door,
1325
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.720
it all started with the lock. And the lock is
1326
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.079
a key piece throughout the story because there was there
1327
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:19.000
were two demons, actual demons and a young man that
1328
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.520
had hung himself in the house from the original people
1329
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.520
that built the house. This was verified by the next
1330
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.000
door neighbor, who had been on the street before any
1331
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.079
other houses were built, even before the road was paved.
1332
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.359
He verified that. But as far as the demons go,
1333
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.199
a lot of times people will assume that because they
1334
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:41.800
have a lost soul in their house, or sometimes even
1335
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.600
an elemental in their house that it's a demon. So
1336
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:47.239
they'll call me up and they'll say, I've got a
1337
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.439
demon in my house, and ninety nine point nine percent
1338
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:53.359
of the time it's not, but in this case it was.
1339
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:55.800
And there were two of them in there. There was
1340
01:20:55.800 --> 01:21:00.159
a hell dog and another level demon that whenever I
1341
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:03.439
talk about usually the EVPs will come over the radio
1342
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:06.840
and you might hear growling or snoring or sighing, So
1343
01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:11.520
we'll just kind of leave it at that trickery. It
1344
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:14.960
starts happening with the audio and any video that is
1345
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:20.960
on at that time. But so with the lock, the
1346
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:24.199
hell hound that would run the stairs up and down
1347
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:30.840
manipulated the lock, and so the realtor lady was trying
1348
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.079
it had was trying to put the key in, and
1349
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:35.520
the key would not go in. So she thought, well,
1350
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:37.560
maybe they left the wrong set of keys, because there
1351
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:39.520
was a lock box and at that point with the
1352
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:43.760
keys underneath, and so she tried again, and every time
1353
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:45.319
she would say, well, I don't know what's the matter
1354
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:46.960
with it. I'm gonna try one more time. Then it
1355
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:50.039
would slip in, but then it wouldn't turn, and then well,
1356
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:51.760
I'm going to try one more time, and then it
1357
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.960
would turn, but then she couldn't get it back out,
1358
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:58.520
and this was a continuous problem. Finally she was able
1359
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.680
to open the door and I entered it into the foyer.
1360
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:05.840
And what I had been told about this house was
1361
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:09.359
is that the people that were selling it were motivated sellers,
1362
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.680
that they had relocated out of state for jobs, that
1363
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.960
they were now paying two mortgages, they were anxious to sell,
1364
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.680
and that the house they had already moved out of
1365
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:23.279
it was moving ready. So there was no furniture, nothing
1366
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:26.079
in the house. So it even made it more desirable
1367
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:28.600
for me because then I could, you know, move move
1368
01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:31.199
in and it you know, it wouldn't take very long.
1369
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:36.720
So I go into the house. I go into the foyer,
1370
01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.720
and from the foyer you have descending stairs, and then
1371
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.159
you have these ascending stairs to the upper level. And
1372
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.520
I started walking up the upper level, and out of
1373
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:49.359
my peripheral vision, I catch a vision of this young
1374
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:53.199
man hanging in the stairwell, and I'm like, I'm like whoa,
1375
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:56.520
I'm like, what is that? And of course when I
1376
01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:00.399
look at it directly, I don't see anything there, and
1377
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:02.279
I'm like, why on earth, you know, would I even
1378
01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.800
be thinking about something so horrible, and keeping in mind
1379
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.119
too that I'm still at that stage where a lot
1380
01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:12.960
of my gifts due to traditional religion were put down
1381
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:16.359
and snuffed out in the sense that I became afraid
1382
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:18.680
of my own gifts, that even though I would still
1383
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:24.479
see things, I would either rationalize them or run out
1384
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.560
of the room as fast as anybody else. But I
1385
01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:28.399
was in the case at that point that I thought
1386
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.039
that universal law would come into play, which it does
1387
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:36.039
not always. So I see this and I'm thinking to myself,
1388
01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:38.880
why on earth would I be thinking of somethings so horrible.
1389
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.159
But it turned out that the young man did hang
1390
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.199
himself in the stairwell. The house was built in the
1391
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:46.880
nineteen seventies, and what I have learned is that it's
1392
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.760
not about the age house, it's about the age of
1393
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.079
the ground that it's built on. So a BRW house,
1394
01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:54.239
if it's built in the wrong place, can be hamted.
1395
01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.039
So you know, I'm envisioning this, And of course the
1396
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.720
neighborhood told me that the people that originally bought the
1397
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:05.479
house were going through a divorce and that the sun
1398
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:07.520
was kind of had a little bit of a drug
1399
01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:10.840
problem that he ended up hanging himself and the stairwell.
1400
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:13.640
Mother came home and found him. So it was a
1401
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.960
very sad thing that that happened. But going forward, I
1402
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.640
went up to the very very upper level and I've
1403
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:24.800
admiring the big living room. There was a living room
1404
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.640
and a formal dining room, kitchen with a breakfast nook
1405
01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:29.840
off to the left, and to the right was the
1406
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.399
hallway that went down to the bedrooms. I was envisioning
1407
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.079
my kids sprawling out on the floor in the popcorn
1408
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:37.880
and where I was going to put the Christmas tree.
1409
01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:40.560
I mean, it was a gorgeous house. And all of
1410
01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:45.600
a sudden, I feel this negative light, almost stepping into
1411
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:49.239
a portal, because I could feel the threads that almost
1412
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:54.479
feel like webs, like spider webs, tickling across my face,
1413
01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:56.920
and of course I thought that it was a spider,
1414
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.399
so immediately I start kind of wiping off my face.
1415
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.039
I'm thinking, oh my gosh, you know, brown reclose or
1416
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:07.039
something might be on me. And then I feel this energetic,
1417
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:14.560
very negative, very angry energy charging at me and stopping
1418
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.239
just like within half of an inch of my face,
1419
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:20.720
and it felt like a raging bull was charging me.
1420
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:25.680
And I literally stepped backwards and had it hang on
1421
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.960
to the rail because I would have fallen backwards on
1422
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:33.199
those stairs. But I took a step back onto the stairs.
1423
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.439
It was that bad and it spooked me. So I
1424
01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:39.319
turned around and I walked back down to stand on
1425
01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:42.119
the landing, and finally the realtor comes in, and of course,
1426
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:46.119
you know, I'm rationalizing. I'm like, well, that can't be.
1427
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:49.199
It's just my imagination. All of this is my imagination,
1428
01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:52.159
just like I was told that it was, and I
1429
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:56.920
have a wild imagination today. So she ended up having
1430
01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.359
me tour the house, and I asked her if I
1431
01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.960
could come back later on that afternoon with my children,
1432
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:03.800
and she said that she would meet me there after
1433
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:07.279
I picked up my kids. So at the time, I
1434
01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:10.319
was a mother of two. I had a third baby
1435
01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:13.000
at forty six, a late life baby, so I have
1436
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:17.640
had one after this book was written. But my older
1437
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:21.760
two came with me to look at the house, and
1438
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:23.800
of course we're driving down the road and they're like,
1439
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:25.920
when are we going to get there? You know, we
1440
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.079
pull into the yard. They're so thrilled because we'd been
1441
01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:32.279
living in this single wide mobile home in this trailer
1442
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:34.640
park where there was a canal that was going around
1443
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:37.279
behind us, and we had regular window peakers so and
1444
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:40.840
people we questioned all activities. So it was nice for
1445
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.439
us to be able to get out of the neighborhood
1446
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.119
where they could actually have a swing set and have
1447
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:50.000
things like that in the yard to play in safely
1448
01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:53.560
for that matter. So they were once we got into
1449
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.399
the house, they were running up and down the hallways
1450
01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.279
and picking out their bedrooms, and nobody really seemed to
1451
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:03.239
want the third bedroom because it was of a smaller size,
1452
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:07.079
so they asked if they could go downstairs and look
1453
01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.319
at the There was this large family room with a
1454
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.640
full stone wall and fireplace in the center of it,
1455
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:17.239
and then adjacent to that was a like thirteen by
1456
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:20.359
fifteen foot room that was just a bonus room. And
1457
01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:22.960
then the other part was the garage, which was so
1458
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.680
big that it had a workshop in it. And even
1459
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:28.199
with the workshop, and you could still fit three cars
1460
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.960
in there, one in front of the other and then
1461
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.880
the other one side by side, so it was a
1462
01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:39.199
pretty good sized garage with that. So the reiltor and
1463
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.159
I are standing in the kitchen and my daughter comes
1464
01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.039
up and she asks if they can go down in
1465
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.000
literally five minutes if that, they were back upstairs and
1466
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.479
my daughter is saying to me, Mommy, I don't want
1467
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:53.399
to live here. I don't want to move here. There's
1468
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:57.600
something about this house and I don't want to move here.
1469
01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.239
And of course I'm like, what did you say? Say?
1470
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.199
I mean, I heard her, but I was shocked because
1471
01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:05.439
here we've been living in this mobile home that could
1472
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.159
have fit four times if you stacked it on top
1473
01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:11.479
of it self, four times, side by side, in this
1474
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:14.800
beautiful house. I mean, I was so proud to think,
1475
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.079
as a single mother that I could provide such a
1476
01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:20.159
grand home. It was a twenty four hundred square foot house,
1477
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:23.600
three bedroom, two bath. It was a nice house. It
1478
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:26.279
was a nice, big house. So I asked her, I said,
1479
01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:28.119
what did you say? And she said it again, and
1480
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:30.880
she says, there is something about this house that I
1481
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.199
do not like and I do not want to live here. Well,
1482
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:37.520
of course I'm embarrassed because I'm standing with this realtor
1483
01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:39.760
that's been dragging me around for a year and a
1484
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.159
half and here's my daughter telling me that she doesn't
1485
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:46.159
want to live in this house. And so I got
1486
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.119
a little perturbed and I said to her, I said, well,
1487
01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:50.119
that's not a decision for you to make. And in
1488
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:53.560
the meantime, other realtors had been to the house because
1489
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:55.800
they would leave their business card every time, so there
1490
01:28:55.840 --> 01:29:00.399
was a stack of them on the counter and ahead,
1491
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.920
and I made an offer, and I said a prayer, like,
1492
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.359
if this is meant to be, then I will get it.
1493
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:07.600
And lo and behold, I got the call. We had
1494
01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:10.079
found out too, that somebody else had called in to
1495
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.439
make an offer before mine, so they would be considering
1496
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:17.520
both of ours that evening. And so the next day
1497
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.640
I found out that I had gotten it. And of
1498
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:23.600
course I'm dancing around and I'm so thrilled. I'm thinking, oh,
1499
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:26.840
my gosh, well this is this is finally our reward,
1500
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.640
you know, with all of what the kids and I
1501
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:32.000
have been through, you know, me as a single mother
1502
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:35.079
with two kids and really not much of the support system.
1503
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:38.560
And so I was I was tickled to death. So
1504
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:42.880
I uh as things. As things progressed the house, I
1505
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.319
purchased it in March. The kids had eight more weeks
1506
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.079
of school left, so I decided to do some renovations
1507
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.640
on the house prior to moving in. In the summer months.
1508
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.479
I was going to have the kids finish their last
1509
01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:55.439
two months of school and their schools that they were
1510
01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:59.319
already in, and then let them have time to make
1511
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:03.199
friends in the nameihborhood and then start their new school
1512
01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:05.399
year at the very beginning, which would be easier than
1513
01:30:05.479 --> 01:30:10.119
dropping them in the middle. So we were doing the renovations,
1514
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.560
and it just so happened that we spent a total
1515
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.399
of two nights there and never moved in. It was
1516
01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:20.399
that bad the very first night. And let me just
1517
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:23.520
back up to the closing really quick, because this also
1518
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:29.359
goes into the omnipresent what happened next. But the people
1519
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:32.359
that were going to sell us the house were very
1520
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:35.479
very late getting there, and I'm mentioning that because I'm
1521
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:38.000
going to go back to it as we move forward.
1522
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:41.840
And I found out that it wasn't true that they
1523
01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.520
didn't relocate. They simply moved fifteen minutes away to move
1524
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.279
in with her parents, and they were at the same
1525
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.359
job that they had been working. So I just thought,
1526
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:54.800
you know, oh, well, you know, maybe they had financial
1527
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:56.960
problems or something. And I was just thrilled to have
1528
01:30:57.239 --> 01:30:59.119
the house. And the one thing was is I kept
1529
01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.319
trying to make eye contact with the woman and she
1530
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.880
kept staring at her feet, and I kept even lowering
1531
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:09.079
my head down trying to get in her view. And
1532
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.239
I was telling her that I was going to take
1533
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:14.000
the cream colored carpet out and put in wooden flooring,
1534
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:17.560
because you know that color wouldn't go well with kids.
1535
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.920
And she says, well, that's what we wanted to do,
1536
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:22.600
and she's kind of shuffling her feet, And of course
1537
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:25.199
I found out why later, which I'll tell you as
1538
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.119
we moved forward a little bit. So the very first
1539
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:30.239
night that we went over there, after we had gotten
1540
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:34.520
the keys, I'm preparing tacos in the kitchen and all
1541
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.399
of a sudden my daughter comes in, and she's thirteen
1542
01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:40.359
at the time. She comes into the kitchen and she says,
1543
01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:43.239
what did you want? And I said, I didn't call you,
1544
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.000
and she said, yes, you did. You called me twice.
1545
01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:48.600
I answered you that I was coming, and so what
1546
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.279
did you want And I said, no, I swear on
1547
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:53.279
my life, I didn't tell you you'd call you. And
1548
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:55.119
she says, yes, you did, and I said, well, you know,
1549
01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:56.800
I heard you say that you were coming, but I
1550
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:59.199
thought you were talking to your brother. And all of
1551
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:02.560
a sudden, my son comes in peering in underneath her arm,
1552
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:05.000
and she he says, Mommy, I heard you call her too.
1553
01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:08.720
So here these things had enough of an intelligence about
1554
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:13.039
them that right off the bat, they knew my children's names,
1555
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:16.880
they could mimic their voices, they could mimic my voice,
1556
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:19.399
and they knew that I was the mommy lady, so
1557
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:23.479
right off the bat, and I then rationalized that, oh, well,
1558
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:26.000
you know, Brittany's a popular name. Maybe there was some
1559
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:29.479
other mother it's dinner time out front calling for her
1560
01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:31.880
Brittany to come home, and you know you'll meet that
1561
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:37.479
person and make friends. So we left. Very next day,
1562
01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:40.520
I come back and all of the lights were on
1563
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.319
in the house. I come in, I go upstairs to
1564
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.920
put my purse down, and I'm noticing first that the
1565
01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:49.640
light is on inside of the oven, and I thought
1566
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:52.800
to myself, how odd is that. Maybe one of the
1567
01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:55.840
kids bumped something, or maybe I bumped something. And then
1568
01:32:55.840 --> 01:33:00.560
I'm noticing that the overhead awning on, the over the
1569
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:03.000
stove is on, the ceiling light is on. And I
1570
01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:04.960
started to turn off the lights. And as I went
1571
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:08.439
through the house, of all of the rooms, every single
1572
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:10.840
light that could have been turned on in that house
1573
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:13.720
was turned on and I had to shut them all off.
1574
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.279
So I just assumed that maybe somebody had a key,
1575
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:19.399
that was the house sold so fast that they the
1576
01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:22.479
family might have left some neighbor with a key to
1577
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:25.000
look over the house, and that they might have come
1578
01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:27.960
in and turned the lights on, or that another realtor
1579
01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:32.000
came through with somebody not realizing that it had sold
1580
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:34.960
that fast, and again left the lights on. So I
1581
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.680
went across the street to the neighbors and introduced myself
1582
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:41.439
and made mention about the lights, and they said, well,
1583
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:43.920
you know, we took our walk last night and we
1584
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.039
noticed that the lights and the walkway were on, but
1585
01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:50.279
there weren't any lights on in the house, and so
1586
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:52.279
I thought, well, you know, those are solar lights and
1587
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.359
they come on when it gets dark enough. So I,
1588
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:56.279
you know, I told them, I said, well, look, I've
1589
01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.399
purchased the place to you. They verified that they didn't
1590
01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.720
know of anybody that had a key, and I made mention,
1591
01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:03.960
you know, that I was going to be doing some
1592
01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.600
work and that if they would please call me if
1593
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:09.039
they noticed anybody in the yard or around the house
1594
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:10.800
when I'm not there, and I left them with my
1595
01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:14.399
phone number. So I ended up finishing up some things
1596
01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:17.920
in the house, and I left the very when I
1597
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.680
left that day, and I'm mentioning this because it's the
1598
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:25.720
lock thing. I went to lock the dead bolt of
1599
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:27.920
the lock, and I put the key in, and I
1600
01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:30.760
couldn't get it to turn. And I kept opening the
1601
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.119
door and reclosing it and pulling it out a little bit,
1602
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:36.199
and finally I just opened the door and locked the
1603
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.760
knob lock from the inside and shut it and figured,
1604
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.039
you know, I've got to get to pick up my
1605
01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:42.119
kids at school. I'm not even going to bother to
1606
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:46.720
do the dead bolt. And I left. But the next morning,
1607
01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:48.880
when I came back, I went to put my key
1608
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:52.640
into the lock, and the door just pushed open, and
1609
01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:54.840
I thought, oh, no, you know it's been opened all
1610
01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:57.760
it's you know, hasn't even Maybe the reason why I
1611
01:34:57.760 --> 01:34:59.800
couldn't get the dead bolt to work was because it
1612
01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:02.520
was lined up in the door jam correctly, and now
1613
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:05.279
anybody could have come up and just pushed it open,
1614
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:09.079
because now it's just opening without me even turning the knob.
1615
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.960
So I that particular days I'm walking around the house,
1616
01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:16.720
I'm opening windows and things like that because I'm getting
1617
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.319
ready to paint the ceiling, and I noticed that the
1618
01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:23.680
lock was undone on the glass sliding glass door. The
1619
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.199
actual pin was pulled out and was dangling to the side,
1620
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.079
and I thought to myself, now I remember that that
1621
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:33.159
that was locked, but you know, maybe one of the
1622
01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:38.079
kids ran back and pulled it open and I didn't notice.
1623
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.479
But when I went down into the garage, also the
1624
01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.439
double doors that would pull up they were unlocked, and
1625
01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:47.239
I thought, again, you know, I'm a female. I always
1626
01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:49.520
had one of those clicking things on my advisor that
1627
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.239
opens the garage and closes it, and these were manuals.
1628
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:57.439
So maybe I unlocked and thinking I was locking them.
1629
01:35:57.479 --> 01:36:00.199
But then what caught my eye was the door to
1630
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:06.359
the workshop. There were boxes stacked up against that door,
1631
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:11.680
literally three feet out and up to my chin. So
1632
01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.600
when I noticed that the chain was dangling to the
1633
01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:18.039
side of that door, it hit me that there's no
1634
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:21.880
way that anybody that could have happened. If somebody had
1635
01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:23.399
done that, they would have had to have been on
1636
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:25.680
the inside of the house. They would have had to
1637
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.960
have moved all of the boxes away, opened the door,
1638
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.359
unlocked the door, and pushed all of the boxes back.
1639
01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:34.760
So this, of course kind of freaked me out. I
1640
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.319
opened the garage door, went back out off. I go
1641
01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.760
back across the street to the neighbors and I told them,
1642
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.199
I said, look, you know, the doors were unlocked today
1643
01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:47.119
at the house. And the wife comes forward and she says,
1644
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:49.479
I'm not trying to be a nosy daghbor, but I
1645
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.000
noticed when you left yesterday that you actually doubled back
1646
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.119
from your car and shook the door to make sure
1647
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:58.680
that it was secure on the front door. And I
1648
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:04.039
had not even remembered doing that. So I thanked him
1649
01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:07.119
and again said, you know, if you do notice anybody around,
1650
01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:09.359
call the police and then call me this time, because
1651
01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.880
I've got furniture being delivered and things. I'm getting ready
1652
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:15.479
to have people come and do work on the house
1653
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.039
to get it ready. And they agreed to do that,
1654
01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:20.359
but just to move forward because I know that we
1655
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:25.319
aren't on some time constraints. Several of the things that
1656
01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:27.840
happened our is that I was not able to keep
1657
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:33.039
workers in the house. I had four different workers. Only
1658
01:37:33.079 --> 01:37:35.119
one of them was able to stay and do the
1659
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:37.279
work because he was stoned all the time, and he
1660
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:40.560
carried his monkeys of his own on his back and
1661
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:42.960
there were several other things that had happened to in
1662
01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:45.600
the house that I was no longer bringing my children
1663
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:49.199
back at that time. My dog. The very last night
1664
01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:51.840
that we slept there, my son woke up with bite
1665
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.039
marks on his legs, and my dog was with us
1666
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:56.880
but would not go into the house. I had to
1667
01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:01.359
carry her in, and I saw a demon night literally
1668
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.920
going down the hallway towards my children where they were
1669
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:08.760
sleeping in the room. And my daughter also confirmed that
1670
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.960
she didn't sleep well that night, that she felt like
1671
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:14.399
something was standing in the doorway steering at her all
1672
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:16.920
night long. But the bite marks on my son's legs
1673
01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:19.479
couldn't have been done by my dog. For one thing,
1674
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:23.439
she wasn't prone to biting. But they were smaller than
1675
01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:25.600
her mouth would have been, but not as small as
1676
01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:29.119
like a rat, like maybe the size of a jack
1677
01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:32.600
Russell terrier or something like that, that size bite, but
1678
01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:35.920
you could literally count the teeth. They were purple, and
1679
01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:39.239
they happened during the night, so he didn't even realize
1680
01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:42.800
that he had them until I pointed them out, So
1681
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:50.640
I didn't take them back until I had multiple denight.
1682
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.920
I literally sat down, well, just to back up a
1683
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:57.319
little bit there was The third worker was a friend
1684
01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:00.880
of mine's cousin. And because I couldn't keep any of
1685
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:03.199
the rest of them, one guy even bolted. He left
1686
01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:05.399
his Dewault tools and never came back even to be
1687
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:07.960
paid or pick up his Dwalt tools. And then his
1688
01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.279
phone was disconnected, so I couldn't reach out to him,
1689
01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:16.239
so I tried to do that. And so the third
1690
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:19.640
one was a friend of mine's cousin, and he is
1691
01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:23.079
there while I'm there, and I'm painting in the hallway,
1692
01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:25.079
and all of a sudden, I turn and I notice
1693
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:28.840
coming up the stairs there's this young man and he's
1694
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:33.119
dressed in a white Oxford shirt. He has on denim jeans,
1695
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:36.399
penny loafers, no socks, kind of eighties style, hair parted
1696
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:39.159
down the middle and feathered back, and he had this
1697
01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:44.199
very very ruddy complexion, like red and looked to his face.
1698
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:48.359
And I remember turning to him and I said, did
1699
01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:52.600
you knock? I thought it was some disoriented person wandering in,
1700
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.279
or maybe they knocked and I hadn't heard them. And
1701
01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.760
they are walking in the house, and all of a sudden,
1702
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.359
I hear Bobby and the other room say, no, I
1703
01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:04.199
must have dropped something. He thought I was talking to him,
1704
01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:08.960
and when I looked back, the man was there was
1705
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:12.119
nothing there, but I could see this waffling, this energetic
1706
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.319
waffling to the air, so I knew that something was
1707
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:18.239
still there. And at that time, I'm like, Okay, well
1708
01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:21.119
there's a ghost in the house. That's who's been turning
1709
01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:23.680
on and off the water, turning on and off the lights.
1710
01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:26.840
That's who's been opening and closing doors. That's who's been,
1711
01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:29.560
you know, creating all of these issues that we've been
1712
01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:32.000
having in the house. And I just need to get
1713
01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:36.079
someone to come and clear the house. So that that day,
1714
01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:39.000
I ended up leaving to go pick up my kids
1715
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:41.720
at school, and I get this call from Bobby, who
1716
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.720
is still in the house, and he's like, I have
1717
01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:47.079
to leave. I have to leave right now. There's something
1718
01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:49.680
about this house that I've never experienced before, and I
1719
01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:54.560
have to leave. And click the line dropped. So he left,
1720
01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:56.600
and about an hour later I catch up with him
1721
01:40:56.600 --> 01:40:59.199
and he's like, oh, well, it was nothing, but i'd
1722
01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:02.000
rather be there, you know, when you're there. He didn't
1723
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:05.479
really want to talk about it, and then he never
1724
01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:08.199
came back. So I asked my friend at work. I said, look,
1725
01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:10.680
you know, I don't know what happened. I think something
1726
01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:14.279
paranormal might have happened at the house when Bobby was there.
1727
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:17.319
Would you ask him? And she agreed to do it.
1728
01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:19.600
So it was fourth of July and he had come
1729
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:21.359
to her house. He had a few beers. He was
1730
01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:24.960
feeling a little talkative, and she asked him, She said,
1731
01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:27.640
what happened? You know, whatever happened at Lynn's house? Why
1732
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.680
did you not go back? And he said, I am
1733
01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.000
so sorry. He said, Lynn is such a nice lady.
1734
01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:35.560
But that house, that house's words that I can't stay
1735
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.720
on the radio. But it starts with an F. It's
1736
01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:40.600
four letters, well six letters because you put an ed
1737
01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:44.079
on it and then up. And then he went on
1738
01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:47.319
to tell her that as he was sitting in the
1739
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:50.800
room that he was going to place the tongue and
1740
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:53.439
grew flooring in with adhesaid, So he had a trowl,
1741
01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.920
a mallet and a block of wood to tap the
1742
01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:59.840
tongue and grew flooring in. And he had just put
1743
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.439
a piece in and he was reaching for his mallet
1744
01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.720
and it was gone. And he was on this rolling
1745
01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:10.359
garden seat. So he thought that he was he had
1746
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:13.119
rolled over them. So he's looking and he's scooting and
1747
01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.960
they're not there. And he looks off over his left
1748
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.000
hand shoulder and he sees right in front of the
1749
01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:21.359
bedroom door, lined up in a row, three of them,
1750
01:42:21.399 --> 01:42:25.239
just paralleling each other, were the block, the trowel, and
1751
01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:29.439
the mallet. And of course this spooks him and he's like,
1752
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:31.880
you know, I know that I didn't get up and
1753
01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:35.159
do that, But so then he started rationalizing. He thought
1754
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:37.960
that I had come back, that I had snuck into
1755
01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:40.359
the room to play a joke on him, and that
1756
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.359
I had moved his tools. So he gets up, he's
1757
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:46.239
looking out in the hallway. He's calling for me, and
1758
01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:48.840
there's no answer, and of course he's feeling a little weird,
1759
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.520
and he's like, well, maybe I don't know what happened.
1760
01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.319
But he just picked up the tools and decided to
1761
01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:58.800
sit back down and continue working. However, this time, because
1762
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:01.279
he felt a little uneasy, turned the overhead light on
1763
01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:05.279
and he had a battery operated transistor radio that he
1764
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:07.760
turned on to play music. And as soon as he
1765
01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:10.399
sits back down and goes to put an additional piece
1766
01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:13.880
of that tongue and grew flooring in his radio shuts off,
1767
01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:16.760
then the light shuts itself off, and then he can
1768
01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.640
hear the tools dragging behind him, and they lined up
1769
01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:22.720
right in front of that door, exactly the way that
1770
01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:25.000
he had found them before. And he said that he
1771
01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:28.840
couldn't get out of the house fast enough. So I
1772
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.199
was able to find out why I wasn't able to
1773
01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:35.239
keep workers. Some of the details of what happened in
1774
01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:38.199
that house was that a friend of mine standing next
1775
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:40.880
to me in the kitchen actually that day that the
1776
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:43.319
tools were moving. I'll go back and I'll share this
1777
01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:45.840
part of the story, a little bit of a spoil alert,
1778
01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:49.079
but it's a good one because Bobby left in such
1779
01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:51.239
a hurry that day, he didn't secure the house. And
1780
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:53.840
there was one window with an air conditioner in it
1781
01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:56.079
that needed to be pulled inside so that the window
1782
01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.159
could be closed. Because they weren't the kind of windows
1783
01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:01.199
that you pulled up and down. They were the crank
1784
01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:04.319
windows that you would crank and they would The windows
1785
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:08.279
were vertical and they would turn vertically in and out.
1786
01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:12.279
So the air conditioner had a large opened area over
1787
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:14.399
the top of it where bugs and things could come in.
1788
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:17.880
It was a friday, I wasn't coming back until Tuesday.
1789
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:20.680
I was a nurse working a baler shift on the weekend,
1790
01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:23.920
so I would work midnight, Saturday and Sunday night twelve
1791
01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:25.680
hour shift so that I could be home with my
1792
01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:29.920
kids Monday through Friday to take them to be a
1793
01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:32.800
stay at home mom, and then soccer mom on Saturdays.
1794
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:35.680
So I wasn't going back until Tuesdays. So I asked
1795
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:37.880
my friend next door. I said, Ellen, I said, would
1796
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:42.359
you mind going with me to the house. The windows
1797
01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:45.199
were left open, it's not secured. I need to have
1798
01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:47.520
help pulling in an air conditioner. And she agreed to
1799
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:50.000
go with me. So as we're driving there, I'm telling
1800
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:52.279
her the story about what I had seen that day
1801
01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:54.399
with the young man coming up the stairs. And I
1802
01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:56.600
said to her, I said, do you believe in ghosts?
1803
01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:58.840
And she says, oh, yeah, yeah, hell yeah, I believe
1804
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:01.319
in ghosts. I told her. I said, well, if you're
1805
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:04.000
uncomfortable when we get there, I appreciate you going with me.
1806
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:06.760
If you're uncomfortable when we get there, I'll go across
1807
01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:08.479
the street and see if I can get the neighbor's
1808
01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:10.960
husband to come and help me. And she said, oh, no,
1809
01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:12.880
you know, I don't have a problem with it. So
1810
01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:15.800
when we pulled into the house, I had the problem
1811
01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:17.880
with the lock where I couldn't get the key out.
1812
01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:20.399
I couldn't get it to turn and finally got it open.
1813
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.479
So Ellen is standing in the foyer and she says
1814
01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:25.920
to me, well, I'm struggling with this key. She's like
1815
01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:28.479
ha ha. She's like, You're not going to leave me
1816
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:30.960
here and let the boogeyman get me, are you? And
1817
01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:33.960
they targeted her, so you don't want to mock them
1818
01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:37.600
because you will regret it. They will target you again.
1819
01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:40.600
They have an intelligence about them. So what had happened
1820
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:42.119
was she and I went and we pulled the air
1821
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.920
conditioner in from the window, and then we went into
1822
01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.479
the kitchen, and of course I was proud she hadn't
1823
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:49.439
been there before. I wanted to kind of show her
1824
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:51.880
around a little bit. And we had gone into the
1825
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:55.279
kitchen and I had ordered these hand carved wooden Morgan
1826
01:45:55.359 --> 01:45:57.960
horse heads, these brown Morgan horse heads, to go in
1827
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.600
my daughter's bedroom because she wanted to have a wild
1828
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:04.439
horse theme to draper balances over her windows. So Ellen's
1829
01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:06.479
holding one in each hand, and all of a sudden
1830
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:08.760
I hear this sound that I had heard once before
1831
01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.439
when a demon entered the room, and it sounded like
1832
01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.079
an energetic buzzing sound, almost like a didgery do that
1833
01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:18.159
wah wah buzzing kind of sound is the best way
1834
01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.319
that I can describe it. And when I turned to
1835
01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:22.800
kind of look to see where the noise was coming from,
1836
01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:27.039
there was this ecnoplasmic missing wall just moving in on us.
1837
01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:29.640
And I didn't say anything because I figured I'm the
1838
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.520
only one hearing it. I'm the only one seeing this.
1839
01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:34.239
And all of a sudden, Ellen says to me, what's
1840
01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:36.319
that sound? And I said to her, I said what
1841
01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:39.560
can you hear that too? And she said, yes, what
1842
01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:42.800
is it? And she immediately started screaming. She dropped the
1843
01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:45.279
horse heads down on the counter and she started grabbing
1844
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.159
her shirt. She said, what is it? What is it?
1845
01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:49.720
Is it a spider bite? It burns, it burns. And
1846
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:52.159
when I lifted up her shirt, she had a four
1847
01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.960
and a half inch claw mark between her shoulder blades,
1848
01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:57.880
even underneath her bra strap and back where it connects,
1849
01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:01.600
and it was just welting and starting to beat blood. Yes,
1850
01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:05.319
I kid you not, just oh my gosh. So I
1851
01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:07.039
asked her, I said, oh, and what happened. I mean,
1852
01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:09.199
there's no furniture in the house. I thought maybe she
1853
01:47:09.239 --> 01:47:12.079
had scratched herself on the car door, corner of the
1854
01:47:12.119 --> 01:47:14.760
car door or something, and then she started screaming again
1855
01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:18.159
and it got her in the front, on her underneath
1856
01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:20.239
her belly button. Off to the left hand side. There
1857
01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:22.079
was now a two in like a two two and
1858
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:24.760
a half inch claw mark. And I told her, I said,
1859
01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:28.119
we need to go. And I started calling on every
1860
01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:32.159
name that you can think of for God, Jeho, Jesus, Mother, Mary,
1861
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:35.840
I'll you name it. And that missed wall started to
1862
01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:39.159
move back, but yet it didn't completely leave. It kind
1863
01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:41.640
of hovered into the one of the door. There were
1864
01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:44.039
two doorways that entered into the kitchen, one from the
1865
01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:46.520
dining room into the breakfast nook and one from the
1866
01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:49.479
hallway into the kitchen. And it lingered in that one
1867
01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:52.199
going into the breakfast nook area, and I'm like, look,
1868
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:54.439
go to the car. I will lock the door. I'll
1869
01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:57.039
be right behind you. So she fled and I was
1870
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:00.119
out the door about a minute behind her, and I'm like,
1871
01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:02.199
I am not going to get stuck with this lock.
1872
01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:04.199
I just so I just hand locked the knob and
1873
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:06.239
shut the door, because I figured if anybody wanted to
1874
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:09.760
come in at that point that that house could take
1875
01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:12.880
care of itself. So I ended up staying away from
1876
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:16.199
there for a little while, and I started to doubt myself,
1877
01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:18.079
and I'm like, you know, it's such a nice house,
1878
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:20.680
and maybe I imagined it. I mean, these things are
1879
01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:23.840
just so off the wall to ever, you know, happened
1880
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:27.199
to somebody, And so I ended up going back, but
1881
01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:29.840
at that point I didn't bring my children back there
1882
01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:33.279
anymore until I had multiple blessings done on the house.
1883
01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:35.560
I had gone home that day for the first time,
1884
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:38.239
and I had started going through the Yellow Pages and
1885
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:40.880
lining up phone calls to make the next day and
1886
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:44.199
paranormal groups to call the next day. And as I
1887
01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.840
was on the phone talking to my sister telling her
1888
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:49.279
about what had happened the house, I overhear my daughter
1889
01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.479
after I got off the phone, and she said, Mommy,
1890
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:54.119
she says, I know what those things are in that house,
1891
01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.000
the one that clauded Ellen. I know what it is.
1892
01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.520
And of course, as a parent, I don't want to
1893
01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:02.359
give too much information. I kind of wanted to see
1894
01:49:02.399 --> 01:49:04.640
which direction she was going to take with it, So
1895
01:49:04.720 --> 01:49:06.600
I said, well, what do you mean and she said,
1896
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:10.479
there is a wolf type dog that stands up on
1897
01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:14.479
its haunches with very dirty nails, that runs the stairs,
1898
01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:17.439
and that's what Claude ellen. And then she started talking
1899
01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:21.199
about the dead young man and started talking about the
1900
01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:23.520
other demon, all of which I had seen at this
1901
01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:27.560
point myself. So we even sat down and she drew
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01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:29.600
a picture of what she saw. I drew a picture
1903
01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:32.359
of what I saw. We compared it, and the similarities
1904
01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:35.800
were just unbelievable, I mean the detail and the similarities
1905
01:49:36.359 --> 01:49:39.560
of the things that were in those pictures. So she
1906
01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:41.720
verified that it was that it was there, and I
1907
01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:44.079
couldn't deny it. I said, you know, I've seen that too.
1908
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I said, I'm not taking you to the house anymore.
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I'm pretty sure that we can do something about that.
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And she had commented too that that's what she was
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01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:54.760
trying to tell me when you know that that's what
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she saw when we were there getting ready to make
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the offer in the house, And of course I didn't listen.
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I should have, so they ended up not going back.
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I ended up having multiple denominations, and I went through
1916
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the Yellow Pages the next day. I mean I called
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every church in the Yellow Pages, and most of them
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01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:15.319
told me to contact the Catholics, because the Catholics do
1919
01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:18.239
those sorts of things. And I'm thinking to myself, but
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you're the ones that you claim to be chosen, that
1921
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are the only ones that are going to make it
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into Heaven. Wouldn't you want to have this opportunity to
1923
01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:27.520
prove your superiority, you know what I'm saying. I had
1924
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some people that told me that if I was attending
1925
01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:32.960
their church, that I wouldn't be having this problem. I
1926
01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:36.880
even had a couple of churches, actually very pompous, telling
1927
01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:39.279
me that if because I mentioned that I was a
1928
01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.399
single mother, thinking that, you know, that they that they
1929
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would realize that how helpless I kind of was, you know,
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with two children, how frightening that must be. And they're like, well,
1931
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you know, implied that I was being promiscuous and that
1932
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I was drawing this into myself for some reason. And
1933
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I hadn't even been out on a date in four
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years at that point. I was focusing on my kids.
1935
01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:05.039
I wasn't interested. I couldn't afford to it, you know,
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01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:10.760
I couldn't afford a babysitter. So anyway, I realized that
1937
01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:12.800
I know their slogan is what would Jesus do? And
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01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:15.000
Jesus would have helped me, but they're humans and they
1939
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.119
were scared too, So I kind of let that go,
1940
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:19.720
and I had to start reaching out to people that
1941
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.840
actually knew me, because when you're talking about something this
1942
01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:27.359
off the wall, people will think you're crazy. So I
1943
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:30.159
had to reach out to people. I first reached out
1944
01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:33.560
to an Episcopaian priest that had known me for seven
1945
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:36.079
years of the ten years that I worked on my job,
1946
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:38.760
so he knew me to be an excellent nurse, that
1947
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:41.399
I was a reputable person, not a weirdo, and he
1948
01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:45.359
believed me. He told me that he used to remove
1949
01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:47.920
things like that from people's homes, that he didn't do
1950
01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:50.560
it anymore, but he knows that those sorts of things exist.
1951
01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:53.920
And he also referred me to the Catholic diocese, of
1952
01:51:53.960 --> 01:51:56.119
which I contacted and went all the way up to
1953
01:51:56.159 --> 01:52:00.560
the archbishop, only to be told that they that they
1954
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:03.760
only do exorcisms on people. And I'm like, well, it's
1955
01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:08.039
not me, it's that house. Because when I would leave
1956
01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:11.279
that house to go back to the mobile home that
1957
01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:15.000
I had been living, and there were no issues. Everything
1958
01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:20.279
was fine there. It was that house. So anyway, I
1959
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:25.199
moving forward, so many, so many things happened. I did
1960
01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:28.319
finally after having a paranormal group come up from Georgia
1961
01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:31.239
as well as a Presbyterian minister at the same time
1962
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:34.560
clearing the house, I took my kids back. They started
1963
01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:38.800
getting attacked again. I ended up having to my mother
1964
01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:41.920
and I went back at one point when after it
1965
01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:43.840
had been put up for sale by owner and some
1966
01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:46.840
people were going to come, and the windows were covered
1967
01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:52.000
in flies. I mean thousands of full grown flies, no
1968
01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:56.560
evidence of maggots, eggs, nothing, and they had been in
1969
01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:59.880
there so long that they had left excrement all over
1970
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:04.239
the molding around the windows that we were trying to
1971
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:07.039
wipe off. I did finally find a couple that came
1972
01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:09.279
up from Florida, because I couldn't bring myself to sell
1973
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:12.640
it to anybody with children, especially after seeing the couple
1974
01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:15.600
that did come with children and the kids talking about
1975
01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:19.720
the creepy room downstairs, so I knew that they had
1976
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:22.600
also seen it. And so this couple had come from
1977
01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:26.399
Florida and we were upstairs signing papers, and as we
1978
01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:31.039
were leaving the house, I exited the double entry doors. First,
1979
01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:34.600
I overhear the wife saying to the husband, why did
1980
01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:38.079
you push me? And he said I didn't push you,
1981
01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:40.520
and she said, yes, you did, and he said no,
1982
01:53:40.640 --> 01:53:43.079
I'm three steps back from you. I can't even reach you.
1983
01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:45.560
And she said, well, then I don't know what happened.
1984
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:49.600
And I knew what happened. I knew that that wolf
1985
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:54.840
demon shoved her because that was his domain, those stairs.
1986
01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:57.359
He would constantly run those. So when they came out,
1987
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:02.039
I couldn't with good conscience not say something I couldn't
1988
01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:04.760
have done due to people what I had done to me,
1989
01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:08.840
even though I understood why the people sold me the house,
1990
01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:11.159
you know, needed to sell the house to get away
1991
01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:14.439
from it. So I said to them, I said, do
1992
01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:18.079
you believe in ghosts? And both of them immediately cut
1993
01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:21.479
me off. No, we're Baptists. We don't discuss those sorts
1994
01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:24.279
of things. We don't entertain those sorts of things. They
1995
01:54:24.279 --> 01:54:28.359
don't exist in our world. We're protected. And I said, okay,
1996
01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:30.640
you know I would have told them the truth if
1997
01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:33.560
they had asked me. They ended up moving out six
1998
01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:37.439
months later. I'm assuming that it was because of the
1999
01:54:37.479 --> 01:54:40.119
ghost the thing. I'm not for sure on that but
2000
01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:43.039
they had paid it was a cash buy on the house.
2001
01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.439
They were moving into it as their retirement home up
2002
01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:50.279
from Florida. They had no intention of moving from the house.
2003
01:54:50.319 --> 01:54:52.640
They planned on being there for many many years during
2004
01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:55.319
their retirement years. And now all of a sudden, six
2005
01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:59.520
months later, they're selling the house. I did follow through
2006
01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:03.039
and I contacted the people. This goes into the next book,
2007
01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:08.159
Domni present what happened next? Who originally sold me the house?
2008
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:11.600
And when I finally got ahold of them through the records,
2009
01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:13.960
I spoke to the wife and she said to me,
2010
01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:18.119
she said, we were late to that closing because when
2011
01:55:18.119 --> 01:55:20.640
I found out that you had children, I didn't want
2012
01:55:20.680 --> 01:55:24.439
to sell you the house. And then she started, I mean,
2013
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:26.760
she was so apolled. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,
2014
01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:29.199
and I'm like, look, I just what happened. You know
2015
01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:31.800
what happened with you. I've already sold the house. I'm
2016
01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:35.239
out of it, but I wanted to know to validate
2017
01:55:35.399 --> 01:55:37.039
some of what I went through. And of course she
2018
01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:40.159
validated the bruising, the bite marks, the hair being pulled.
2019
01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:43.600
She had two children, one was six and one was four,
2020
01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:47.039
and the children would go to school and be asked
2021
01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:50.159
to draw pictures of their house. So they'd draw the
2022
01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:52.760
little stick people and the flower that's bigger than the house,
2023
01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:55.520
and then the house. But then on the other side
2024
01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:58.720
they would draw these stick figures of these very very
2025
01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:02.239
dark be looking things, and when the teachers and the
2026
01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:05.520
parents would ask what those were, they'd say that they
2027
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:09.039
are the monsters that live downstairs in our house. And
2028
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:11.600
the little girl would even talk to the mother about
2029
01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:16.439
the fact that that, you know, the things downstairs they
2030
01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:18.920
don't like me, you know, they don't want to play
2031
01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:21.359
with me. They don't like me, and they say, you know,
2032
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:24.439
and she would show up with bruises and things, and
2033
01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:28.039
those people almost ended up in a divorce because of
2034
01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:32.119
the trickery that the spirits were playing in the house
2035
01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:37.439
where the husband would work midnights and he would be
2036
01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:40.600
gone so he would sleep during the daytime. During the daytime,
2037
01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:45.159
the lady worked her day shift hours. But then the
2038
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:48.960
husband would be awakened by tapping on the door and
2039
01:56:49.079 --> 01:56:52.439
would hear her voice, and then he would come out
2040
01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:55.439
and assume, you know, that she was playing a joke
2041
01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:58.359
on him, or else he'd find the water running and
2042
01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:01.039
he would accuse her and she'd use him, and neither
2043
01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:03.920
one had turned it on. It was those things, and
2044
01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:07.720
they literally the children at one point asked if they
2045
01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:10.720
could go back and stay at the grandparents' house because
2046
01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:13.520
of all of the activity that was happening, And once
2047
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:15.920
they stayed a couple of nights at the grandparents' house,
2048
01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.399
they didn't want to come back home, and then the
2049
01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:21.920
parents ended up following back home with many more things
2050
01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:25.399
that had happened. But in that book, it also goes
2051
01:57:25.439 --> 01:57:29.520
into the mental health aspect of it, where I had
2052
01:57:29.560 --> 01:57:33.840
gone back to school to further my degree and came
2053
01:57:33.880 --> 01:57:37.479
across patients with attachments on them. And I don't know
2054
01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:39.920
if we have time to do that on this show,
2055
01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:41.319
or if you want me to go into a part
2056
01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:44.159
two and come back, or to go ahead and just
2057
01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:46.039
keep going with it. How would you like me to
2058
01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:46.319
do it?
2059
01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:49.880
Well, excuse me so sadly, we've only got about five
2060
01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:52.159
minutes left, so whatever you can wrap up in that
2061
01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:54.479
amount of time and then we'll have you back again
2062
01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:57.239
real soon to finish up on the books. So however
2063
01:57:57.279 --> 01:57:59.600
you want to do it, then okay.
2064
01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:02.279
That sounds great, and thank you so much. There's a
2065
01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:04.920
lot more detail to the second book with the family.
2066
01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.079
I'm just blown away.
2067
01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:11.239
I would not wish it on my worst enemy. I
2068
01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:13.920
don't have any enemies. I don't think. I mean the
2069
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:17.640
insanity of it. I learned a lot, though, and because
2070
01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:20.000
of what I've learned, I've been able to help people,
2071
01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:23.279
at least I hope, so I hope that they feel helped.
2072
01:58:23.319 --> 01:58:25.199
But the thing is is that when I was placed
2073
01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:29.279
in this facility, there was a young girl in particularly,
2074
01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:32.520
there were eight nurses and a teacher that had gone
2075
01:58:32.560 --> 01:58:35.920
in and lay. This young lady came up and she
2076
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:37.920
pointed at me and she said, you can help me.
2077
01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:40.319
I know you can't. Well, of course, in that moment,
2078
01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:43.239
I'm like, oh God, please, please don't be talking to me.
2079
01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:46.520
I wanted to be Lind the student nurse, not Lind
2080
01:58:46.520 --> 01:58:48.960
the weirdo that day. But it just so happened that
2081
01:58:49.039 --> 01:58:52.640
the teacher ushered us out and then placed me and
2082
01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:55.279
another nurse back in the intake area where the young
2083
01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:58.960
girl was. We literally had to sign papers that if
2084
01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:02.159
we got bitten or hit or anything happened to us,
2085
01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:05.880
that we wouldn't hold the facility responsible. So we're sitting
2086
01:59:05.880 --> 01:59:08.560
at these picnic tables that are bolted to the floor,
2087
01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:11.800
and the young woman comes over and she starts telling
2088
01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:15.239
us about how she had been molested at ten years
2089
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:18.960
old by her minister, and then her mother remarried at
2090
01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:21.520
fourteen and her stepfather starting to rape her. So she
2091
01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:24.720
ran away at sixteen and started doing devil worship and
2092
01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:28.079
that now she's hearing these twenty five different voices, and
2093
01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:30.159
I'm going to stop it at the end of her
2094
01:59:30.279 --> 01:59:32.600
So it leaves kind of a cliffhanger a little bit there.
2095
01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:37.119
But the thing is is that they have segments of
2096
01:59:37.199 --> 01:59:39.119
things that they have to go to, like they'll have
2097
01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:41.880
a visit with their psychiatrist or their social worker, or
2098
01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:45.039
they have to go into groups for counseling and things
2099
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:48.520
like that. And this woman, she came and sat down
2100
01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:51.600
with the nurse and I. We were charting at one
2101
01:59:51.640 --> 01:59:54.880
of the bolted down picnic tables, and she sat down
2102
01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:56.920
with us, and I'm looking at her and she is
2103
01:59:57.720 --> 02:00:01.800
covered in claw marks. These claw marks resembled the claw
2104
02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:04.760
marks that I saw on my friend Ellen get as
2105
02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:07.079
she stood next to me in that house, and they
2106
02:00:07.079 --> 02:00:10.439
were all over her. She had on shorts and a
2107
02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:14.000
midriff like a tube top within little spaghetti straps, so
2108
02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:16.159
you could see her midriff, you could see her back,
2109
02:00:16.600 --> 02:00:18.920
and she had claw marks coming out of her ear,
2110
02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:21.399
coming out of her nose. She was even talking about
2111
02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:23.359
how one of them had a long nail and was
2112
02:00:23.399 --> 02:00:27.239
clawing the inside of her female parts, and the facility
2113
02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:30.520
was saying that they were self inflicted, and I'm like, uh,
2114
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:33.199
there is no way that she would have to be
2115
02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:36.319
a contortionist to even reach her back in the way
2116
02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:38.800
that those claw marks and in the directions that they
2117
02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:42.399
were going. So when she got called away to her
2118
02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:46.520
appointment with her psychiatrists, as she got up to walk away,
2119
02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:52.319
it appeared as if she had clustered grape potato sized.
2120
02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:56.439
They were the size of potatoes. They were heads, disembodied
2121
02:00:56.479 --> 02:01:00.760
souls that had collected in a grape clustered formation over
2122
02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:04.000
each of her shoulders, almost like Santa Claus bags. They
2123
02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:07.199
could have literally filled a standard pillow case. That's how
2124
02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:11.000
how much there was. And I'm looking at her if
2125
02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.920
she's walking away, and I'm like, oh my god, she
2126
02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:16.760
really is here. In twenty five different voices, she's got
2127
02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:19.479
attachments on her and I'll stop it there.
2128
02:01:21.199 --> 02:01:23.960
Okay, Wow, I can't wait to have you back to
2129
02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:26.239
hear the rest of this. But Lynn, I want to
2130
02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:29.399
thank you for joining me here tonight, and I'll put
2131
02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:33.399
links your links in the show description and where they
2132
02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:35.279
can find your book and where they can find.
2133
02:01:35.119 --> 02:01:38.840
You, and thank you so very much for having me. Also,
2134
02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:41.039
when the link is available, I'll be happy to put
2135
02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:42.840
it out on all of my media, as well as
2136
02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:47.399
the one that i'd done previously. I don't know if
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that one's ready yet for me to put out, but
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I'll be happy to spread that all out. And I
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appreciate the opportunity to be on here. So thank you
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so very much, and congratulations on the baby boy.
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Oh thank you. Can't wait forward to it's got I
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think it's about fourteen weeks left, so.
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Oh wow, before we know it, so I can't wait.
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All right, Well, thanks again, Lyn, I'm gonna go ahead
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and get a song out of here. You've been listening
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to everything out there on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero
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Radio Network. I'm Steve Stockton on behalf of my guests,
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Lennone and myself. We'll see you a little farther on
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down the trail. Tell your animals we said hi. Good night, everybody.
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Good night,