STRANGE UK - English Cryptids & Legends - Steve Stockton & Paul Sinclair of Truth Proof

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton.
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Hello, friends.
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Steve Stockton here with you. Welcome once again to Everything
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Out There. Joining me today on the phone all the
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way from across the pond, Paul Sinclair. You might know
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him from Truth Proof. or one of the five books
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he's written or two of the documentaries he's made. He's
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my guest today on everything out there. Paul, how you doing?
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I'm good. Thank you, Steve. And thank you very much
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for inviting me to share a bit of information with
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yourself and your listeners. Thank you.
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Oh, you're one of the people that I admire. I've
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been on your show a couple of times and I
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thought I don't turn about spare play. I wanted to
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have you on here and have listened to you tell
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some stories instead.
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Of the other way around.
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Well, I've, I've no problem with that. It's when to
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shut Paul Sinclair up sometimes, I've got to admit, but
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there's no shortage of information. A lot of it's my own, well, yeah,
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my own research, Steve, and I primarily do work here
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in the UK. If any of your listeners want to
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Google these locations around East and at North Yorkshire in
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the United Kingdom. But the work does spread out. It
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does go out from there, but I'm a boots on
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the ground guy. type of person. A little bit about me,
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if you want, Steve.
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Yes, please.
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Yeah, I'm 61 years old. I've been involved within the
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subject of unexplained phenomena, and I say that with an A,
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because I think there's lots of things at play here,
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not just one singular thing. Just about all my life,
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as long as I can remember, and one of my books,
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Night People, is about my own experiences. And when I
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packed in work, I was quite fortunate that, well, I weren't.
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I worked very hard all my life and got myself
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into a position where I could pack in at age 48.
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And before your listeners think this guy's got loads of money,
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this guy hasn't. It just doesn't owe anybody a penny
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in the world and I can manage. So I devote
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24-7 to the research. You know, we've got four girls.
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They've all grown up and moved away. They're doing their
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own thing. And it's just me and my wife, Mary,
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and it enables me I absolutely love it, Steve. I mean, obviously,
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life didn't allow me the luxury of researching like I
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do now in my younger years because I'd got to
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forge a life for my wife and my family. But
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now that's what I do. When I find myself all
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over the place, I find myself in forests with gamekeepers,
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in forests with experiencers, out on remote cliff tops with
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people who've had strange sightings. of an unexplained nature, not
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just UFO related, cryptid related, sometimes even ghostly. And I
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think the thing is, Steve, you know, and then you
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probably have come across this yourself with all the work
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that you've done and all the accounts that you've heard,
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you realize that there's common threads running through it all.
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It is all linked just because we might not know
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how it's linked.
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Absolutely.
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I've had that conversation with several people. There's a connection there.
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And yet there's a connection, Steve, and I think there's
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a movement within the researchers. And we're all researchers. Your
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listeners are researchers because some people might sit there in silence,
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but you're searching for answers to your own puzzle, your
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own things that have happened to you in your life
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and why not. That makes you just as valid as
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myself and Steve and a host of other people. And
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there's a movement definitely that people are realising that the
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UFO researchers, I would say yesterday and no disrespect to
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these guys, but they wouldn't think out of the box.
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Just I would imagine like the cryptid researchers, you know,
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if you've got a guy there who's and I'll get
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to some accounts shortly, Steve, you just stop me when
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you want. But, you know, if you've got a guy
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who's looking for some kind of undiscovered bipedal ape type
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creature in the forests and the remote and remote woodlands,
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And he gets a report in that says, you know,
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I've seen this thing. I came across this terrifying thing or,
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you know, it was observing us. And then throws into
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the report another odd thing, but probably not connected, is
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there were some strange lights in the forest. And I
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can't understand that. And the researchers, many of them will
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omit that part of the report because it doesn't conform
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with what they believe a Bigfoot, a werewolf stroke dogman
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type report should have in it. And I think we're
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doing a massive disjustice or injustice to the research and
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advancing it because there's clearly a link if time and
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time again, these things, these types of phenomena are reported
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alongside the main body of the phenomena for the research,
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be it UFOs, cryptids, ghosts, you know, and I've seen
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a movement away from it and I've seen that people
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are starting to realise that this is multi-phenomena research, you know,
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and it's quite evident. You know, I've got stories. I've
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got one in front of me, which I've been working on,
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and I've called it... It's from 2007, Steve. Would you
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like me to relay this?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, I've called it The Light Forms and the Deer.
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And when one of our girls, our Laura, our youngest daughter,
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was getting married, a lady visited our house who was
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adjusting her wedding dress and, you know, she'd imagine, yeah...
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making adjustments to the dress and we got talking and
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she'd seen the covers of the books on on the
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side and that i didn't sort of push these things
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down people's throats half of the time if if these
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if people are strangers to our household i don't really
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say much about what i'm involved in and she told
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me she lived in a a few years prior and
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this is going back to 19 uh 2007 And she
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told me that she lived in a little village called
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Huggett on the East Yorkshire Wolds. That's W-O-L-D-S. In English
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folklore and dialect, it means the wilds, the wolds. That's
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what they'd call it. And there's little villages dotted all
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over the wolds. And she lived in this place called Huggett.
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And she'd been visiting her daughter in the small town
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of Driffield, which would have been about 15 miles away.
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And she was coming home. in the evening after seeing
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her daughter. It's not quite dark and she's on this narrow,
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almost single track roads with pull-ins every now and then.
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And she called her husband to say that she would
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be approximately 25, 30 minutes. She said there was a
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little bit of light frost and she was just driving steady.
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And in the distance, but round some bend, she could
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see lights above the hedgerow. And even though the lights
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didn't look as she would familiarise herself with torchlights, because
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there was almost a lemony orange tinge to these lights,
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they were actually balls of light. But doing what we
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all do, we're rationalising, we're trying to find something that
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fits into normality. She just assumed that there was a
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couple of men on the lane with torches and didn't
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think much more about it as she's driving along. And
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also the lights weren't giving off. I mean, this is
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on reflection and pardon the pun. After speaking to her,
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she realizes the lights weren't giving off any kind of beam.
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And as she approached the bend, looking for the people
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with torches, she rounded the bend and she was amazed
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to see a herd of roe deer, 10 or 12
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in total on the road. Well, obviously we've got lots
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and lots of wild deer here in the UK. Roe
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deer are the most prolific. But you don't normally see
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10 or 12 on a road together. You'll see two
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or three just running after they've been spooked. And then
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another cluster will burst out from a hedgerow or somewhere.
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But there's 10. So she's moving along. And then she's
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amazed to see that the lights are above the deer.
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And there's spheres of light. Orange spheres of light that
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this lady called Elaine related to me. As I got
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to know her, she'd been working on my daughter's wedding
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dress and told us this amazing account. And she was shocked.
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And she said the deer, the buck or the stag,
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I think you'd probably call it in the US, looked
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as startled as her. But no more startled with the
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car than these lights that were sort of, I don't know,
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she said they were almost herding them. She swerved off
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the road. And if you Google this terrain, you'll see
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that it's quite hilly, green sloping hills that go down
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either side of this road. towards the village of Huggett.
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And she just crashed through the hedge and went down
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into the field. She says, I was wedged between two trees.
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I couldn't open the back, the back, the side doors
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of the car. And she looked out of a window
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and she could see that the lights were coming down
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the field. And now all of this is probably happened
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in 30 seconds, even less. And it's just totally confused her.
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Eventually she manages to scramble out of the back hatch
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of the car. phone in hand which has gone completely
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flat and she insisted that she'd got at least three
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quarters of a charge when she rang her husband up
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then that's another aspect of the unexplained steve that your
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listeners will have come across before the ability for something
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within unexplained phenomena to drain you know batteries and electrical
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appliances which is a strange one i don't know how that.
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I've experienced that myself.
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I've been on location and doing investigations, have camera batteries
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go flat or an EMF meter, anything, whatever, fully charged
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telephone or cell phone.
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Yeah. The batteries are just drained instantly.
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Well, she said a phone were flat. The lights had gone.
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She's still puzzled. She's not really she's not she's not
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worked out what's happened. She said, I looked at I
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can still see the faces of the deers. They looked startled,
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but not she insists not by my headlights, not by
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me rounding the corner, but by these lights that were
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above them. She scrambles up the hill and manages to
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walk home to hug her. But then she's lost time.
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She said the walk home, she said, should have been
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no more than 10 minutes. And it took her well over.
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She was well over. Let me correct myself here, Steve.
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She was well over an hour after filming, phoning her
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husband earlier. So she'd got missing time as well. So
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I think we've got a fairly good account of light
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form phenomena interacting with the with wildlife, with animals there.
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And I suppose we're the wildlife in some instances with,
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with this phenomenon, whatever it is, that's, that's sort of,
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I don't know, is it interfering with us, Steve, whatever
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it is that's intruding in our lives. And I don't
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know whether you've heard a story like that before.
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Not quite like that, but deer seem to play a
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part in a lot of paranormal encounters. I had another
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guest that talked about a thing she saw, She lives
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on an old farm out in East Tennessee. And it
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looked like a deer in mid-jump, you know, how they'll
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kind of leap over a hedge or something.
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But it was like just.
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The outline of it. And it was moving, but it
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wasn't moving. It was frozen. But this outline of a
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deer was just moving through the air.
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That's so strange.
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Something about deer.
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There's another phenomenon they have here. I don't know if
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you have something similar there. But they call it a
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not deer. It's a deer, but it's not a deer.
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It looks like a deer, but it's some sort of shapeshifter.
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It can change into several different forms, including a human.
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I've heard a lot of reports about that. I don't
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know what it is about deer other than, you know,
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they're prevalent. They're sacred animals to the indigenous peoples. But
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there's something about the deer that the phenomena are attracted
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to or used in some regards.
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I would agree. And like you said, it could be
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the prevalent on the landscape and people are familiar with them.
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But I mean, we have a similar thing with hares,
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you know, not the rabbits, but hares. And people have
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a lot of superstitions surrounding hares. But, you know, it
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jumps all over the place, the research. I got a
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report from 2020, so it's not that long ago. And
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I live right on the edge of the coast. And
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literally where I'm sat now is probably 200 yards from
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the North Sea. And a little bit further down the
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coast from me is a small fishing village called Hornsea.
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And this young man contacted me to say he'd had
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what he described as a terrifying experience whilst fishing one
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night at Hornsea. And so he's beach fishing. He's got
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his rod, he's got his gear. His dad's dropped him
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off and he only lives about five to 10 minutes
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from where his dad had dropped him off on the
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seafront at Hornsea. And this is as strange as it
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gets for me. They said the time was approximately 1210
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and it was one hour before high tide. Weather and
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sea conditions were very, very rough. He said, you know,
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and he moved close to the seawall for protection, not
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from the sea, but from the wind and the sea spray,
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tucked himself down beside the seawall and sheltered from terrible conditions.
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And he remembers checking his watch and it's 12.10am. And
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that's when he noticed, as he looked up the beach,
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a very, very small, thin figure walking towards him along
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the shoreline, which was kind of impossible, this young guy said.
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And I just need to just detract slightly. All of
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these people I speak to personally and I've met face
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to face usually, you know, I like first-hand accounts. And
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he said, He's quite perplexed when he's telling me this.
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He said the sea was raging. He said, you know,
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he said it weren't even high tide and it's nearly
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at the top of the beach. And there's this thin
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figure just walking along the shoreline. He said I sat
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for a few moments amazed that someone would be so
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close to those conditions and who or whatever it was,
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was very small. He said about five foot tall and very,
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very thin. If it was a human, he said it
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had to be a woman. And I kind of stopped
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him there and said, you know, could you see the
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outline of hips or breasts? You know, there's nothing wrong
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with asking these questions. And he said he couldn't. It
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was so thin, but he could only imagine that someone
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of that stature could be a woman. And it was
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completely black from head to toe. Now, we know that
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it's nighttime. We know that he's talking about stormy sea conditions. So,
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you know, it would be difficult to make out facial
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features or anything. But you can usually see a little
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bit of shade. Not everything's just completely black. He said
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he moved his arms in military fashion. So we can
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all picture that as a soldier would walk up the beach.
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But this thing's approximately five foot tall. So he's watched
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this for a few minutes, but he felt the urge
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to stand up and need to stress here. He didn't
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feel the urge to stand up to shock this thing.
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He'd been crouched down against the seawall and he wanted
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to just stretch his legs. And he's got no, there's
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nothing happening that's unnerving him at this moment. He said
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at the exact moment that he stood up, the figure
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instantly stopped. He said he felt as though whatever it was,
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and now he's calling it it, he's moved away from
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it being a human, was shocked. Whatever this was, was
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shocked that it had been seen. And he got the feeling,
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although only a feeling, there's no mind speak or anything
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like that, that it didn't want to be seen. He
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said then over a period of about five to six seconds,
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he said the figure sort of just pixelated and vanished,
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which is, that just kind of runs, shivers down my
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spine thinking about it.
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It gave me a chill, imagining it in my head
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and seeing that, the pixelation.
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You know, a diminutive figure, but nonetheless, something that's got
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the ability to just render itself invisible before his eyes.
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He said at that moment, his curiosity turned to deep fear.
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He was very scared and he phoned his dad and
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told him what had happened, asked him to come right away.
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He said his dad arrived less than five minutes after
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the phone call. You know, his dad realised there was
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some urgency and the time between making the phone call
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to picking him up and arriving back home should have
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taken 15 minutes. And I've just missed a little bit
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out here that I'll just retract, go back, Steve. After
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he'd made the phone call to his dad, he pulled
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out his filleting knife from his fishing tackle box and
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hastily cut the line on his fishing rod. He just
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left whatever it was for the sea to claim, packing
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his rod away, looking around him constantly with the knife
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in his, in one hand. He said, I felt that
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this thing was there. I couldn't see it. Now that
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could be just sheer paranoia on his part, but I
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think I'd probably feel the same myself, you know, Steve,
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but you know, That's how he felt. He said it
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shouldn't have taken his dad more than five minutes to
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get to him, which would have made the time. But incredibly,
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let me get this correct. Incredibly, when he arrived home,
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it was 1.37 a.m. So if he's correct with his times,
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he's not only had this incredible sighting of this pixelating,
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vanishing figure, he's lost over 80 minutes of time. So
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there's something happened in the time between the time. He
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has no recall of anything happening, however, during that time.
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You know, with his permission, you know, I sort of
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contacted the local paper to see if, and briefly gave
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an outline of the story. I didn't want to identify
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this young guy and to see if anybody else had
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had any similar accounts. But before we get to that,
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and I can sort of add on to a few
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more accounts from this, he said when he went home,
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and dad got him home. Obviously, this young guy is very,
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very shook up. They live in a pretty secluded house,
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and it's modern, and it's got a lot of glass
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all the way around it. One-way glass that, obviously, the
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occupants inside can see out, but nobody can see in.
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Quite an affluent property, or his dad is an affluent man.
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You know, plenty of money by the sounds of things.
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And he said, I immediately shut the blinds, even though
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there was no need. because I felt that this thing
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was watching me. And he said, I felt like that
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for days. He said that whatever I saw, I'd had
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an effect on it. I wasn't supposed to see it.
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So it's just a quirky story, Steve. And, you know,
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obviously we both love these strange and unusual stories. And
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I like the fact that I've not really heard one
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quite the same, but when I contacted, I think it
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was the Hornsea Gazette, the local paper, and just said
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this young fisherman had had this experience on the beach
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and put it out there. I wondered if anybody else
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had had any experiences. And I was contacted by a
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man who said that when he was a young boy,
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he'd been on the beach at Hornsea. digging bait, lugworms
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and things, obviously, used to catch the fish. There's a
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group of them, two or three guys, young men, probably teenagers. Well,
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they were teenagers. And he said, I turned around and
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looked towards the seawall. He said, and I saw that
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shadow of something, not an outline, not a strong outline,
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a shadow of something. Then one of my friends screamed
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out and shouted, sort of, ouch, or words to that effect.
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And something kicked him in the calf and he fell
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to the floor. He said, we all, all three of
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us watched this dark shadow run into the night. So
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there's obviously substance to these things, Steve. Even something with
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the ability to render itself invisible. You know, and I
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thought of that as you were talking about this deer
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that looked almost shadow-like and the shapeshifter element. What else
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could these things be? You know, it's been suggested that
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the intelligence that is unexplained phenomena can perhaps put these
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images in our heads. Let's face it, if these things
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can speak to us in our minds, if they've got
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the ability to read our thoughts, then there's the potential
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that they can actually place images in our minds. But
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not in all instances, because the substance to whatever it
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is kicked the guy in the calf on the beach,
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or there appears to be. I mean, it would have
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been amazing if the young fishermen had found footprints but
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he weren't hanging around any longer than he had to do.
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So just a strange, another strange one.
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Yeah, that one's really strange. I've never heard anything quite
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like that. It has the element of missing time, the
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creature that can appear to disappear at will, if you will,
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or at least fade out like that.
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Fascinating.
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I mean, there's so much out there that we don't understand,
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and it is all connected. And like Charles Fort once wrote,
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one measures a circle beginning anywhere, and when you start
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looking into these things, you find... so many different tangents,
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yet so many different similarities. And that's always the fascinating
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part to me. And one of the bonuses, I guess
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you could call it, of what you and I do
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when we hear these stories and we report them, other
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people that'll jog their memories or they've been waiting to
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tell it and like, oh, here's something similar to what
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happened to me. I don't feel like people are going
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to think I'm crazy if I share my story. I
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love that aspect of it.
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It brings people up to talk. Absolutely. And that is
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an aspect of it that, like you, I share lots
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of enthusiasm for because it does give people the encouragement
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to come out with their own accounts of the strange
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and unusual. And it adds more meat to the bone
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that we are dealing with something that's very real. Just
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because we don't understand how these things work, the mechanisms
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of it, this exotic science, does not mean it's not happening.
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When I wrote the first book, the first truth-proof book,
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in 2015. Obviously, like I said previously, I've been researching,
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same as everybody, same as your listeners, you know, whilst
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throughout my working life, I'm sort of looking into these
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things and looking for pieces of my own puzzle, so
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to speak. But I contacted another local paper, the Bridlington
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Free Press, and asked them if they'd kindly put an
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advert in saying that a budding author, so to speak,
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was looking for stories of the strange and unusual. And
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I said, in, in amongst the reports I started getting,
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cause I was primarily a UFO type researcher. I was
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probably in the category that I've just been not frowning upon,
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but saying we should move away from. And in amongst
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the reports, I got a report of a werewolf type
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creature from a little village, 11 miles away from where
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I live, a village called Flickston. And I didn't disregard it,
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but it wasn't, it wasn't at the top of my list, Steve, but, uh,
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I got another report from the village of Flixton from
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someone else, but not a resident, but someone who'd been
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passing through. And this is a tiny village. It's in
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North Yorkshire. I live in East Yorkshire, but you kind
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of slip across the border about six miles from my
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home and you're in North Yorkshire. And Flixton is a
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tiny village that adjoins another village called Falkton. And between
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the two of them, they would only form one small village.
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And there's one road runs through them both. And it's
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the A1039. And so anyway, I thought, right, I'm going
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to have a little bit of a dig around and
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look into the subject of what I've now called the
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Flickston werewolf. Visited the village. I don't go door knocking
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asking people if they've seen a werewolf people, but I
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was looking for information relating to this. And I found
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myself at Falkton Church and an old guy there was
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the groundsman. He was doing some work on it. I
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ended up talking to him and I told him that
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I had these reports of this strange bipedal creature. And
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he said, this guy, I'll not say his name, but
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I know he was in his 80s. Lovely old chap,
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just tending to grass and plants around the church. And
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he told me that, you know, as children growing up
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in the village, they all knew about the Flixton werewolf.
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and I don't mean they'd all seen it. I suppose
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it's like villages or small towns and communities in the US, Steve,
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where people have all, they'll all know about the story
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of the Bigfoot or maybe werewolf stroke dogman type creatures
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that have been reported. So he starts telling me these,
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you know, you need to speak to this guy. You
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need to speak to a guy called Edwin Cooper, who
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was a historian. He may have some information. So I
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sort of went on my way. I, did a little
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bit more research, bumped into someone else. And this guy
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said he'd heard the stories, but didn't really have any
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information he could give me. This is another one close
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to the church again. And then I discovered that Flickston,
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the village itself, in 937 AD, so we're going back
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a lot of years. I think we're going back 1,086 years,
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937 AD. The then king, King Athelstan, so not a
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made-up king, it's not legend, the king of the day,
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ordered that a refuge be built at Flickston to protect
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travellers from wolves. Well, as I've said many times now
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on various podcasts, we know that wolves would have been
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prevalent in eastern North Yorkshire within the United Kingdom 1,086
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years ago, 937 AD. But there's a little bit extra
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on the writing that I found fascinating. It said, to
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protect travelers from wolves and an infestation of savage beasts
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then abounding. Now, does that mean.
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It adds another element there, definitely.
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It really does, Stephen. This is what the ancient writings say.
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So I will get to some of the accounts, but
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I'll just sort of flesh out the history of the area.
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So they called it Carman's Spittle, and it was C-A-R-R,
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and it's nothing to do with motor cars over 1,000
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years ago. What cars mean, people, in the UK, the cars,
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it means reeds and elder. It's wetlands, the cars, that's
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what we call them. And so it was Carman's Spittle,
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and I suppose it's their early word for hospital, a refuge.
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So Carman's Spittle was built... thousand and eighty six years
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ago to protect travelers from wolves and an infestation of
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savage beasts. And the writing also said at least they
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be devoured. So does that mean that there's a werewolf
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prevalent at Flickston? I can't say with any certainty, but
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what I can say is I've got lots and lots
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of reports from people totally unconnected to one another spanning
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decades claiming to have seen this thing, which is fascinating. Now, archaeologists,
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before we get to the account, Steve, if you'll allow
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me to just deliberate on this. Please continue.
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I'm loving every minute of this part.
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It's fabulous. I'm enthralled by the Flixton werewolf stories now.
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It's really captured me as well. The cars, Flixton Star Car,
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which is the low wetlands that I've just discussed, attached
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to the village, but they're literally within hundreds of yards
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of from the bottoms of some of these people's gardens.
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And it used, in Paleolithic times, that's over, I don't know, 8,000
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to 12,000 years ago, it was a huge lake. Obviously,
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the inhabitants then would not have called it Lake Flickston,
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but it would have been known as Lake Flickston in
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modern day. That's what they call it. And the archaeologists,
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now the lake bed has dried up and it's all wetland.
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They found some of the most important artefacts anywhere in
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the UK or the world. They found headdresses with red
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deer antlers, frontlets and antlers attached with eyes drilled in
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them or bored in them with primitive tools. But what's
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interesting is the archaeologists believe that the people who inhabited
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Flixton Starkar were much more than hunter gatherers. They found
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evidence of mass animal sacrifice and horse butchery. And they
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believe that these people, these inhabitants of Flixton Starkar were shamans.
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or practicing shamanic ritual based on what they've found. So
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that's not Paul Sinclair saying that and speculating. That's what
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the archaeologists speculate. So I kind of stepped into the
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shoes of somebody thinking, well, if we're looking at shaman
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and the potential for what the shaman can do and
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the transformation, are we looking at something that's a remnant
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from those ancient times in the form of the Flixton werewolf?
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You know, and so jumping from that, there's another village
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two miles away from Flixton. Oh, just draw back again, Paul.
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The king who had the refuge built to protect the
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travellers also said that a certain portion of land within
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Flixton must be forever known as Wolfland. So that's interesting
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in itself. That ends the title of our documentary, Wolfland,
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because that's where our documentary begins. at Flickston and then
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sort of travels around these areas where the sightings are.
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But let me just jump back to where we were.
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There's another village two miles away from Flickston called Hundmanby.
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So you break the words down, it's H-U-N-D-M-A-N-B-Y. So I'm
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not fitting these words to make anything. I'm reporting or
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relaying what they actually mean in ancient texts and Hundmanby
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means farmstead of the hound man.
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So there you go.
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So don't you find it absolutely fabulous and intriguing. And
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one other thing that throws up all the time, Steve,
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around these locations, around the locations where these cryptid type
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creatures are seen, you know, I mean, here in the UK,
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I tend to use the word werewolf. I know in the,
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The U.S. people use the word dogman, and I haven't
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got a problem either or. I think we're dealing probably
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with the same thing. You know, I know some people
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might not agree, but I'm not here for an argument.
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You know, I think we all agree that there is
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a reality to what people see.
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And I can see both sides of it.
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I think some of it is more akin to a
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wolf than a canine, a lupine rather than canine.
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00:31:51.930 --> 00:31:52.049
Yeah.
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I think there's a subtle difference in there. They probably
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know each other apart, but they're similar.
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Yeah, very, very. And, you know, all of these witnesses,
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they're all reporting things in, on or around ancient earthworks,
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burial mounds. You know, and I don't know whether that applies. Well,
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I do. I think it does apply to certain sites
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in the US and all over the world. You get
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Indian burial grounds and you get other places. And it's
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almost as though these things, I mean, if we jump
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to Egypt, we've got Anubis, the sort of guardian of
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the dead, that leads the dead to the underworld or
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the safe passage to the underworld. We've got, you know,
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we've got these werewolf dogman type entities seen around burial mounds.
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We stay with Flixton and I'll just tell you an
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account from the old guy that when I first started
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looking into it, one of the elder people of the
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village said he'd heard of it, but knew nothing about it.
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And I found myself back in the village again, just
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sort of retracing my steps. And I bumped into him
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and I told him that I'd found out that Flixton
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used to be called Wolf Land. And, you know, with
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the refuge had been built, he said, oh, you've got
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that far, have you? I said, I said, yeah. I said,
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it's fascinating. I said, there's really something to this. And
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he said to me, I've seen it. I said, you what?
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He said, I've seen it. Wow. And prior to this.
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He wouldn't let on he'd seen anything. So I said,
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would you like to tell me about what you've seen then, please?
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He said, yeah. He said it was about 1948. So
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you can see how far back some of these stories go.
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He says, I was a young boy and we were
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playing around the burial mounds on top of Staxton Brow.
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Staxton Brow is 500 foot above sea level. And it's
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very close to an ancient Roman hill fort. And now
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on the Roman Hill Fort is RAF Staxton Wold, which
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is the oldest operational RAF base in the world. And
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it's still operational today. But just across from Staxton Wold,
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these young boys, two young boys were playing one summer's evening.
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And he kind of alluded to the fact that, you know,
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we could play out till nine, ten at night. And
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our parents used to leave the doors unlocked and everything
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was safe. It's not like the world is today. He said,
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and we're up around the burial mounds of Sharp Howe.
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Howe is a burial mound or a tumuli. And this,
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where they were playing, is what was known as a
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barrow cemetery. All of these locations that I'm speaking about exist, people.
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So if you are sufficiently interested, you will Google them
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and you will find them. So Sharp Howe, I think
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I've seen, there's five burial mounds left today. Apparently there
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was nine, but the plough and the farmer sort of
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diminished the other four. There's nothing left to be seen.
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He said they walked up to one of the burial
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mounds as their young boys just are playing, having a
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great time, I suppose, on a summer's evening. And there's
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a tree growing out of the side of the mound.
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He said this thing is crouched with its back to
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the tree. And in his words, he said it was
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looking at something in its hands. Didn't say pause. He said, hand.
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So we stopped in our tracks and stared at this
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thing that just lifted its head, looked at them, no
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glowing eyes, no snarling teeth, and looked at them. I said,
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describe it. He said, essentially, it was a dog in
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the shape of a man. The shoulders, everything. It had clavicles.
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It was a dog in the shape of a man.
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I asked him what he did. He said, we turned
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and we ran. Now, there's many things that take this
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away from any kind of apex predator that we'd know
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and understand, such as, I don't know, a wolf, a bear,
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a puma. It didn't pursue them. They never saw it again.
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They just ran. I think he said he told the
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story to his parents. His parents had relayed the story
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of don't go there, don't do this, don't do that
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in various locations because you'll encounter the werewolf. These stories
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were told to the locals of Flixton. as part of
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growing up. So that's just another story of the Flickstone Werewolf,
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you know, and this road, obviously in the Truth Proof books,
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Truth Proof 1 and Truth Proof 2, I write, I
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wouldn't say extensively, but I've got quite a few accounts
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of the Flickstone Werewolf and their scene, or it is
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seen on the A1039. Well, it would be because it's
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a very sleepy, lazy kind of road and there's only
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one way into the village, as I said before, and
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one way out. And, you know, I think we've got
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one from, and if anybody reads my books, please forgive
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00:36:43.219 --> 00:36:45.880
me if I've got year wrong, but I think it's
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1966 where there's a fishing town about seven miles away
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on the edge of the North Sea. Like I live
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00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:56.530
in Bridlington on the edge of the North Sea. Flickston
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is inland and called Filey. And this young man had
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been to Filey with a friend for a night out
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in the local pubs, having a few beers and probably
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trying to, Talk to girls. You know, that's that's the
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way of things in it. And driving home from Filey
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on the motorbike, his friends on the back of the bike.
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00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.519
It picks it picks eyeshine up in a ditch as
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he's approaching with his motorbike. And I just need to
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00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:29.610
say that there's lots of drainage ditches around Flickston lot more.
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There's a maze of these ditches. Some of them are
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like 10 foot deep and they've actually got six or
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seven foot of water in them because obviously this was
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an ancient lake bed and it's still very marshy land.
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But he picks the eye shine up and he says,
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and out of the ditch, this thing crawls out of
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the ditch on all fours. Essentially, it never got up
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00:37:51.829 --> 00:37:56.050
onto two legs, he said, but once again, a man
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covered in fur with a dog's head. So it relayed
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that story. And then we're jumping to present time, Steve.
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You know, we're jumping to, I don't know, 2017, 2018, 2019.
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I've got stories from throughout the decades and the years.
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But there's two young ladies who've been for an evening meal.
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The sisters, they've been out on a work's due. It's
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close to Christmas. It's just before the Christmas period. But
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before anybody thinks, well, I bet they've been drinking. She's
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driving a car and she was keen to stress that
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her sister had had a few glasses of wine, but
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she was driving and she hadn't. They're coming down the hill,
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which is called Whitegate Hill. Then as you come off
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Whitegate Hill, you enter the A1039 road, the one I've
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00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:46.929
just been talking about. Incidentally, on Whitegate Hill, you've got
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a burial mound called Spell How, which is a beautiful
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burial mound with some interesting stories of elves and Hobbs
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and goblins attached to it throughout the ages, like, you know,
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legendary folklore type stories, which are fascinating. So we just approach,
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come off Whitegate Hill and we're on the A1039. Nothing
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else on the road. Obviously, these roads are unlit as well, people.
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There's nothing there until you get to the village. And
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then you've got, you know, a few properties from the village.
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So this thing just leapt out into the road in
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one leap there. Stopped momentarily. They weren't close to hitting
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it or anything, Steve. but it stopped momentarily. And then
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in another leap, it was off into the fields and
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it had gone. It's almost deliberate, in my opinion, because
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of all the places that this could have crossed the road.
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It does it in full view of somebody's headlights. I
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think it was the 1966 one, the motorbike. It comes
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out of the ditch. There's another story of a driver
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prior to this. What I'm going to do, Steve, I'm
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just going to give you the description that these ladies
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gave me. They asked me this. I asked for the description, obviously.
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They said everything looked wrong on it. Everything looked wrong.
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And it was a slightly different description to what I'd
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got from the old guys who'd seen it at Sharp Howe,
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which they described something looking more like a wolf. They
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said this looked wrong. They described the fur of a
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having the fur like the under fur of a badger
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where they could see the skin in the headlights beneath
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the fur. And it looked thin. It looked emaciated. It
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looked wrong. It was incredibly fast, but it didn't look
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like it should actually. The mechanics of its bone structure
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should have actually worked. It looked almost disfigured. They didn't
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say at the head of a dog. Everything happened so
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fast that I could sit here and lie and make
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up that it had some... They told me it had
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the head of a dog. They didn't. They didn't really...
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They were focused on its body and the legs and
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this strange disjointed figure that leapt into the road and
704
00:41:05.739 --> 00:41:09.059
leapt off. And they said if they were going to
705
00:41:09.099 --> 00:41:11.019
liken it to anything, they said, have you ever seen
706
00:41:11.059 --> 00:41:14.340
the film Harry Potter? And I think we've all probably
707
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.159
seen it. He said, have you seen the werewolf on
708
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.610
Harry Potter? So I say, yes. And then they said
709
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:23.389
it looked like that. So fascinating. Uh, and I'll carry
710
00:41:23.429 --> 00:41:24.829
on Steve, unless you have any questions.
711
00:41:25.309 --> 00:41:27.909
No, no, this, the whole, I'm just fascinated by the
712
00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:32.340
whole thing. And the, uh, the part with Anubis, that really, uh,
713
00:41:32.469 --> 00:41:34.329
jarred of memory. I've got a friend that lives in
714
00:41:34.369 --> 00:41:38.230
Louisiana and, um, and one of the swampy areas and
715
00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:42.630
it's in, uh, she reported it to, um, lady, uh,
716
00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:45.409
Linda Godfrey. And I think it's in, uh, her book, uh,
717
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.679
I know what I saw. And she saw a dogman
718
00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:51.860
type creature, but she said it looked more like the
719
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:55.920
Egyptian Anubis, which is described as a man with a
720
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:59.679
dog's head or a jackal's head. And the interesting thing
721
00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:02.059
about that, it's one of the gods of the dead
722
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.840
in the Egyptian circles, a god of funerary rites and
723
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.659
protector of graves. In the area where she saw that,
724
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:14.210
there was some sort of indigenous Native American god. burial
725
00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:17.449
ground there, a burial mound. So it all ties together.
726
00:42:17.469 --> 00:42:20.480
It's just like what you were talking about. And I
727
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.119
also like the fact that you've gone back and the
728
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:26.199
one story you're relating there for like, I think you
729
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:29.940
said 1948. I love those old accounts like that. And
730
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.840
one of the things I do, I'll go to nursing
731
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.570
homes and do a book reading. And some people are
732
00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:37.090
not into it. You know, they're like, oh, there's no
733
00:42:37.150 --> 00:42:39.670
bingo tonight. So they'll sit and do their knitting or whatever.
734
00:42:40.289 --> 00:42:43.289
But a lot of times after reading is done and
735
00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:45.250
i usually read out of strange things in the woods
736
00:42:45.929 --> 00:42:48.030
i'll have some of those elderly people come up to
737
00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:50.449
me and say when i was a little boy i
738
00:42:51.170 --> 00:42:53.489
saw this and then they they launch into a story
739
00:42:53.530 --> 00:42:56.849
and those i mean the elderly people that's one of
740
00:42:56.909 --> 00:43:01.130
our greatest resources for these uh folk stories and sightings
741
00:43:01.230 --> 00:43:03.570
and stuff because a lot of them they've never told
742
00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:07.860
anybody about it and uh when they die that experience
743
00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:11.070
dies with them so i'm hoping you know that In
744
00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:14.449
that first book, Strange Things in the Woods, about 95%
745
00:43:14.449 --> 00:43:17.110
of those people have passed on. So those stories never
746
00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:20.550
would have made it beyond their immediate circle of friends
747
00:43:20.610 --> 00:43:23.079
and family, if even that, if not for my books.
748
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:25.199
I feel I'm at least doing a service there to
749
00:43:25.219 --> 00:43:26.199
keep the stories alive.
750
00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:30.119
What a fabulous way to engage with people, Steve. I'd
751
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.199
not thought of that, you know, and I wouldn't mind
752
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.889
doing that. You're giving entertainment to, like you said, people
753
00:43:37.949 --> 00:43:38.630
in a nursing home.
754
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:41.920
Like I said, some of them don't care. They just
755
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:43.760
get up and leave when it's over. But others, there'll
756
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.630
always be one or two that'll hang around. And I
757
00:43:45.670 --> 00:43:47.849
know what they're up to. And it's like, let me
758
00:43:47.869 --> 00:43:49.369
tell you what I saw one time.
759
00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:49.829
Yes.
760
00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:50.309
Yes.
761
00:43:51.269 --> 00:43:52.170
It's fabulous.
762
00:43:52.570 --> 00:43:56.210
And another place I've found, find where the young people,
763
00:43:56.230 --> 00:44:02.590
where the teenagers congregate their spots, skateboard parks or BMX
764
00:44:02.630 --> 00:44:05.519
dirt tracks and things like that. Ask them, hey, where's
765
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.280
the spooky place? Where do you take your girlfriend parking
766
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.059
in the car if you want to see the spooky?
767
00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:13.659
And I've heard some great tales that way, of certain
768
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.699
spots where there's a local legend. And here in the States,
769
00:44:16.739 --> 00:44:20.260
particularly in the Southern United States, every little community has
770
00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:23.590
a white lady or a lady on a bridge or
771
00:44:23.610 --> 00:44:26.530
a crying baby bridge. And it's just fascinating because it's
772
00:44:26.710 --> 00:44:30.570
similar stories, but in different locales all throughout. And it's
773
00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:33.690
really nationwide, but particularly prevalent in the South.
774
00:44:34.269 --> 00:44:38.269
Do you know the white lady story? And obviously we'll
775
00:44:38.329 --> 00:44:43.000
probably touch on the white lady story, but we've got
776
00:44:43.059 --> 00:44:45.400
those in a place called Daines Dyke. They're all over
777
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.360
the UK and obviously all over the US, but we've
778
00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:50.289
got them in Daines Dyke. But the people I've spoken to,
779
00:44:50.449 --> 00:44:53.429
they've seen a sphere of white light. When you actually
780
00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:55.949
get to it, they've not seen the full-blown apparition of
781
00:44:55.989 --> 00:44:58.409
a white lady. But I'd just like to stay with,
782
00:44:58.449 --> 00:45:01.489
providing your listeners aren't going to be too bored with
783
00:45:01.530 --> 00:45:02.090
these stories.
784
00:45:02.130 --> 00:45:02.829
Oh, not at all.
785
00:45:02.909 --> 00:45:04.610
I'm on the edge of my seat and I know
786
00:45:04.630 --> 00:45:06.989
my listeners, they enjoy this as much as I do,
787
00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:07.590
if not more.
788
00:45:08.170 --> 00:45:09.489
So please continue.
789
00:45:09.690 --> 00:45:12.590
Yeah, well, I've got one which I weren't going to
790
00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:15.150
kind of include. It's just it's coming straight out of
791
00:45:15.190 --> 00:45:18.550
my head because you revamped Anubis. I know I touched
792
00:45:18.610 --> 00:45:20.340
on it before, but then you came out with it.
793
00:45:20.849 --> 00:45:23.219
And this is almost, well, it is, it's in suburbia.
794
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.880
A friend told me about a friend of his who
795
00:45:27.909 --> 00:45:31.079
I got to speak to as a young man in
796
00:45:31.420 --> 00:45:36.260
his late 20s suffered a heart attack in the prime
797
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.719
of his life. And obviously, There was no reason for
798
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.349
him to suffer this heart attack. No prior sort of
799
00:45:44.449 --> 00:45:48.650
ill health. And after the heart attack, after examination, nobody
800
00:45:48.670 --> 00:45:51.829
could understand why he had the heart attack. But he
801
00:45:51.929 --> 00:45:56.010
told my friend, and I know now as well. So
802
00:45:56.090 --> 00:45:59.789
he lived in a semi-detached council property. I'm not going
803
00:45:59.809 --> 00:46:03.079
to say where. This guy's really, it's really shook him up.
804
00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:06.570
But it's in East Yorkshire, living at home, late 20s,
805
00:46:06.670 --> 00:46:10.070
comes home, goes as his evening meal, probably with his
806
00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:13.219
mum and dad, goes upstairs to listen to music or
807
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:17.679
play on his iPad or whatever. Night arrives and he
808
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.239
goes to sleep. He goes to bed and he's in bed,
809
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:26.409
three bedroom suburban apartment. council house, semi-detached house, in a
810
00:46:26.449 --> 00:46:28.289
village actually, in a village, but I don't have to
811
00:46:28.349 --> 00:46:30.989
say what village it's in. I don't think anybody's going
812
00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:32.989
to hear this who knows him, but I just want
813
00:46:33.010 --> 00:46:37.250
to be fair to the guy. And he's in that
814
00:46:37.530 --> 00:46:42.519
mode of not quite asleep and half awake. His room's
815
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:48.039
in darkness. And suddenly he wakes and he feels uneasy.
816
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:52.269
Looks into the darkness and People, I've struggled with this
817
00:46:52.409 --> 00:46:56.170
one as well, but I've heard the story firsthand. And
818
00:46:56.190 --> 00:47:00.519
he claims that something that he can only describe as
819
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:05.719
Anubis in dress as well. I'm not talking about just
820
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:11.079
in appearance, facially walked through the wall into his bedroom,
821
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:16.969
an upstairs bedroom. Following it was another one. And picture this.
822
00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:20.070
It's a, you know, we're not talking about some long corridor.
823
00:47:20.090 --> 00:47:24.630
We're talking about a room, probably tops four meters by
824
00:47:24.710 --> 00:47:27.949
three and a half meters. And, you know, and it
825
00:47:28.130 --> 00:47:32.010
walked past his bed. And the first one walked straight
826
00:47:32.130 --> 00:47:36.369
out of the wall. And the second one stopped before
827
00:47:36.429 --> 00:47:39.889
walking out of the, through the wall. This guy's frozen
828
00:47:39.949 --> 00:47:43.230
in fear. He said, and it turned and looked at him,
829
00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:48.639
walked away. to his bed and plunged his hand into
830
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:53.289
his chest. And I don't mean physically, as in seeing
831
00:47:53.590 --> 00:47:57.010
all the gore. It literally said that the hand went
832
00:47:57.150 --> 00:47:59.699
into his chest. And at that moment, he had an
833
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.880
heart attack. And the rest is history. That's the story.
834
00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:04.179
That's chilling.
835
00:48:05.420 --> 00:48:08.239
You know, so, you know, we touched on Anubis and we,
836
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.519
you know, and some of these stories I've never heard
837
00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:14.260
before or since, you know, I, you know, I've got
838
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.610
so many of them, Steve, you know, let's just jump
839
00:48:17.750 --> 00:48:20.690
from the, the dog man, the stroke, the werewolf temporarily,
840
00:48:20.710 --> 00:48:23.530
if I can, because this one's in my mind, because
841
00:48:23.570 --> 00:48:27.170
I've recently been talking to the whip to, to both witnesses.
842
00:48:28.010 --> 00:48:29.449
And we're, I think we're going back to the 1990s
843
00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:35.519
and this man, uh, was in a relationship with a lady.
844
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.059
We'll call her Sue. That weren't her name, but that's
845
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.840
what we'll call her. And he's in a relationship with Sue,
846
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:49.050
and whilst in this property, there's activity. There's sort of spirit, poltergeist,
847
00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:54.110
weird activity. And he's aware of it, and this lady's
848
00:48:54.150 --> 00:48:57.929
aware of it, but doesn't talk about it much, doesn't
849
00:48:57.989 --> 00:49:01.679
bring it up much, but he keeps... It's almost... I've
850
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.920
noticed with the poltergeist phenomena, it's almost as though when
851
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.300
our awareness grows that this thing is here, it kind
852
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.469
of grows with us. But that's just a side shoot. Sorry, people.
853
00:49:13.510 --> 00:49:15.590
Let me get back to the story. He said, I'm
854
00:49:15.630 --> 00:49:18.570
in bed with this lady one night and I wake
855
00:49:18.630 --> 00:49:21.219
up in the night and something is... dragging me out
856
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.489
of the bed. He says, and I'm kicking and screaming
857
00:49:24.550 --> 00:49:28.190
and she's asleep. She doesn't wake up and I see
858
00:49:28.250 --> 00:49:33.730
it temporarily and it's a fully formed black figure with
859
00:49:33.809 --> 00:49:37.690
a He calls it the Sandown Port Man. So if
860
00:49:37.750 --> 00:49:40.630
anybody's seen the bottles of port with the man on
861
00:49:41.090 --> 00:49:45.139
Sandown Port, he said it was big, broad shoulders with
862
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:49.400
like a pointy hat, but just black, no facial features, nothing.
863
00:49:50.139 --> 00:49:53.360
And it disappeared. He said after that, he said, you know,
864
00:49:53.380 --> 00:49:55.619
I told her that something had happened. And she said
865
00:49:55.659 --> 00:49:58.510
to me, you've seen it, haven't you? You've seen it.
866
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.659
He said, yeah. And he said, no. He says, and
867
00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:02.989
she took me outside. And this isn't the main core
868
00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:06.090
of the story. Steve, but we'll get to that. She said,
869
00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:08.489
she took me outside and said, give me some chalk.
870
00:50:08.510 --> 00:50:11.719
She said, draw it on the pavement, on the paving slab,
871
00:50:11.739 --> 00:50:13.750
draw it. She says, and I started to draw it.
872
00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:15.760
She said, stop. And she started to rub it out
873
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.010
with her foot. She said, you've seen it. You've seen it.
874
00:50:19.059 --> 00:50:22.179
That's all. Well, a short time after, and not because
875
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.690
of this, they split up. And sometime after that, this
876
00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:32.800
guy formed another relationship with another lady. who was slightly disabled.
877
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.400
And that plays into what we're talking about in a moment.
878
00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:39.909
He said, but that thing followed me. That thing, whatever
879
00:50:39.989 --> 00:50:44.469
it was, left that woman. Or if it didn't, she
880
00:50:44.510 --> 00:50:47.289
never told me. It stayed with her because it followed me.
881
00:50:47.309 --> 00:50:49.630
He said, and I kept seeing a glimpse of it
882
00:50:49.730 --> 00:50:53.840
inside my new partner's home. He says, I could walk
883
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.610
through a doorway and feel the electricity of it It
884
00:50:57.650 --> 00:50:59.530
was near me, he said, but I never said anything
885
00:50:59.570 --> 00:51:02.760
to her. I didn't want to frighten her. And he said,
886
00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:05.139
but I could, he said, I just, in my peripheral,
887
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.539
I'd see it. He said, you know, this, this built
888
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.760
and this built. And then this particular day we'd been
889
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:14.519
out and we pulled up outside a property and she's
890
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:19.269
in a wheelchair. And she said, I'll go in Mel.
891
00:51:19.369 --> 00:51:21.210
I don't mind saying this guy's name. It was Mel,
892
00:51:21.869 --> 00:51:24.599
as in Melvin. He says, I'll go in Mel. But
893
00:51:24.619 --> 00:51:26.739
we need some milk. You go get some milk, will you?
894
00:51:26.889 --> 00:51:31.449
And she let herself into her property. And there'd been
895
00:51:31.489 --> 00:51:35.090
poltergeist type activity, which she still didn't let on. You know,
896
00:51:35.429 --> 00:51:37.750
as in the electric blinds were opening and shutting on
897
00:51:37.789 --> 00:51:39.949
their own and all sorts of things were happening. So
898
00:51:40.010 --> 00:51:43.590
I come back. When I came back after getting the milk,
899
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:47.659
he said, she's literally slewed on the side of the wheelchair.
900
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.360
Her hair's all in disarray. She's crying. She's in a
901
00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:57.090
right state. And he asked her, what's wrong? What's the matter?
902
00:51:57.130 --> 00:51:59.449
What's the matter? She says, you're not going to believe it, Mel.
903
00:51:59.469 --> 00:52:03.239
You're not going to believe it. She said, this thing appeared. Oh,
904
00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:06.659
he'd been out that day. Sorry for drawing back, people.
905
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.800
He'd been out that day and he'd bought her a ring,
906
00:52:10.420 --> 00:52:12.179
spent a lot of money on a lovely ring. It
907
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.960
was almost as though this thing was angry because she
908
00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:20.460
was happy. That's how he sort of rationalised this. He said,
909
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.619
her hair's in disarray. She's on side in a wheelchair. crying.
910
00:52:25.099 --> 00:52:28.039
And she said, this thing appeared, this huge black figure
911
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.039
with a pointed black hat. And it's been spinning me
912
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.190
round in the chair, Mel, spinning me round and round.
913
00:52:34.230 --> 00:52:38.489
It's terrified me. And, you know, he told her then,
914
00:52:38.949 --> 00:52:42.789
you know, what had happened and how he'd perceived that
915
00:52:42.809 --> 00:52:46.670
he'd seen it in a bungalow prior to that. And
916
00:52:47.190 --> 00:52:50.900
I don't know, after a while this energy or whatever
917
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:54.199
this thing was, it kind of dissipated. But that's just
918
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.820
another quirky story. And I'm sorry, people, if we were
919
00:52:56.860 --> 00:53:00.340
into the Dogman Stroke werewolf type account.
920
00:53:00.860 --> 00:53:03.119
Again, the name of the show, everything out there. So
921
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.820
we're hitting all the marks today. Now, you mentioned that
922
00:53:05.860 --> 00:53:09.050
was in Sandown. Is that on the Isle of Wight?
923
00:53:09.769 --> 00:53:14.090
Well, no. What I mentioned, there's a drink port here
924
00:53:14.110 --> 00:53:15.630
in the UK that we can buy. And on the
925
00:53:15.690 --> 00:53:18.869
label of the port bottle, You've got the Sandown Port,
926
00:53:18.929 --> 00:53:21.210
it's called, and there's a label of a black figure.
927
00:53:21.250 --> 00:53:24.369
And that's what Melvin said it looked like. So anybody
928
00:53:24.389 --> 00:53:26.969
who wants to get an idea of what this figure
929
00:53:27.010 --> 00:53:30.989
looked like, just type in Sandown Port, as in the drink,
930
00:53:31.469 --> 00:53:34.949
and you will see the Sandown Port man and the
931
00:53:34.989 --> 00:53:36.269
shape of it and everything.
932
00:53:36.289 --> 00:53:38.809
In my memory, there was a case that I've read about,
933
00:53:38.869 --> 00:53:41.190
studied about, fascinated by, 1973 in Sandown on the Isle
934
00:53:41.230 --> 00:53:46.550
of Wight. where some kids encountered what they described as
935
00:53:46.570 --> 00:53:49.090
a cross between a clown, a robot and an alien.
936
00:53:49.710 --> 00:53:49.929
Wow.
937
00:53:50.409 --> 00:53:53.769
Really strange thing that maybe there's something with that name.
938
00:53:54.969 --> 00:53:56.730
Here in the States, we have a lot of things
939
00:53:56.769 --> 00:54:00.039
with devil names, Diablo, Devil's Canyon, Devil's Tower.
940
00:54:00.739 --> 00:54:01.300
Things like that.
941
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.500
And there tends to be a lot of disappearances there
942
00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:07.760
as well. A lot of unexplained phenomena that happens in
943
00:54:07.780 --> 00:54:08.940
places with the devil name.
944
00:54:08.980 --> 00:54:09.420
I don't know.
945
00:54:09.940 --> 00:54:12.820
If it was so named that by the indigenous people
946
00:54:13.059 --> 00:54:15.559
because of the weird stuff, or if the simple act
947
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.619
of naming that drew things, they're almost like a Tulpa.
948
00:54:18.820 --> 00:54:20.719
It could go either way, maybe both ways.
949
00:54:21.699 --> 00:54:23.800
You're so right. And I want to, I want to
950
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.460
get back to the white lady in a moment, but, and,
951
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.960
and whatever direction you want to take me, Steve, but
952
00:54:29.510 --> 00:54:32.550
you talked about the indigenous people and, you know, I
953
00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:36.449
talked at length quite a few times to a wonderful
954
00:54:36.489 --> 00:54:41.489
guy called Larry Sespooch. Uh, uh, native american guy and
955
00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:46.070
he lived near skinwalker and i were interested because of
956
00:54:46.150 --> 00:54:49.309
my research into the flickstone werewolf and i wanted to
957
00:54:49.349 --> 00:54:54.719
know his views uh regarding the skinwalkers and because i've
958
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:57.800
not heard from larry for a few years but people
959
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.480
if you want to once again if you want to
960
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.519
research or have a look into this guy you'll see
961
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.159
a bit on youtube about him teaching and preserving the
962
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.219
old ways and the old customs and he were telling
963
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.369
me that where he lived they were just brought it
964
00:55:10.409 --> 00:55:12.659
to mind as you said that then steve there was
965
00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:16.840
a place called dead man's curve where think strange things
966
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.880
were seen and and bad things happened hence the name
967
00:55:21.219 --> 00:55:24.010
dead man's curve but i don't know if you've heard
968
00:55:24.030 --> 00:55:27.269
of larry or or ever spoken to him but well
969
00:55:27.590 --> 00:55:30.469
well worth a little bit of research and this man's
970
00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:32.449
a wealth of knowledge one of these people you know
971
00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:37.530
that is preserving these ancient stories without a doubt.
972
00:55:37.889 --> 00:55:39.909
I'll definitely dig into that. Thank you.
973
00:55:40.570 --> 00:55:43.530
So, so, you know, here about three miles from where
974
00:55:43.590 --> 00:55:46.070
I live, Steve, and I'm sorry if I've jumped about
975
00:55:46.150 --> 00:55:48.139
people and if you've met any notes, pull me back
976
00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:50.260
to it, Steve, but a few miles from where I live,
977
00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:53.739
there's a, of course we're littered with burial mounds, earthworks.
978
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.500
Like you said, we've got Flixton Star Car, which is paleolithic.
979
00:55:56.809 --> 00:56:01.250
But there's a Neolithic burial mound. Neolithic, we're going back probably, well,
980
00:56:01.269 --> 00:56:03.869
we're going back at least three and a half thousand years.
981
00:56:04.449 --> 00:56:07.800
And it cuts what's called Flamborough Head, which is a
982
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:11.119
peninsula that juts out into the North Sea. It cuts
983
00:56:11.179 --> 00:56:15.480
it off Bridlington, where I live. Obviously, in ancient times,
984
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.019
it would have cut it off. Now there's a road
985
00:56:17.059 --> 00:56:20.050
running through it. You know, we're in modern day. But originally,
986
00:56:20.070 --> 00:56:25.210
they call it Dane's Dyke because originally, people believed that
987
00:56:25.269 --> 00:56:29.840
it had been excavated and built by the vikings but
988
00:56:30.380 --> 00:56:34.070
in the 90s i think it was in the eight
989
00:56:34.090 --> 00:56:37.130
late 1800s it was excavated and and worked on by
990
00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:41.289
a archaeologist called pit rivers sounds like something from indiana
991
00:56:41.349 --> 00:56:43.070
jones don't he has a brilliant name but that was
992
00:56:43.110 --> 00:56:46.829
his name pit rivers and pit rivers found thousands and
993
00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:51.989
thousands of flint tools and uh and ancient axes and
994
00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:56.619
artifacts that's well predated the Vikings and showed that this
995
00:56:56.699 --> 00:56:59.489
is Neolithic. So where am I going with this? Yeah,
996
00:56:59.610 --> 00:57:03.409
there's lots and lots of stories and legends attached to
997
00:57:03.449 --> 00:57:07.570
Danes Dyke, and none less than the White Lady. You know,
998
00:57:07.590 --> 00:57:09.659
and you can go back hundreds of years in old
999
00:57:09.699 --> 00:57:12.119
books of folklore where people claim to have seen the
1000
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.780
White Lady, but in present day, over the last two
1001
00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:20.820
or three decades, where people have reported stories to me,
1002
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.889
given their account of what they've seen at Daines Dyke
1003
00:57:24.340 --> 00:57:27.070
as the White Lady, they've reported a sphere of white light.
1004
00:57:27.969 --> 00:57:31.210
And they've been walking, I don't know, through the dyke
1005
00:57:31.269 --> 00:57:34.630
in the night. And, you know, it's a woodland. It's
1006
00:57:34.670 --> 00:57:37.769
a small woodland, quite dense. And, you know, there's no
1007
00:57:37.829 --> 00:57:41.880
population of people there. There's nothing there. In the summertime,
1008
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:47.019
it looks idyllic. But like every woodland or forest, it
1009
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.539
takes on a different persona when night falls. And they've
1010
00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:54.159
seen lights passing through the trees at various heights and
1011
00:57:54.219 --> 00:57:56.940
not the torch beams. And so they've come back and said,
1012
00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.119
we think we've seen the White Lady. And I don't
1013
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:03.659
know whether that applies over where you're doing the research, Steve.
1014
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.880
If anybody's looked into it, is it actually a White Lady?
1015
00:58:07.889 --> 00:58:12.369
Because along the cliff tops, probably less than a mile,
1016
00:58:12.389 --> 00:58:15.280
a mile and a half from where Daines Dyke is,
1017
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:18.449
There's a lot of anglers who fish these cliff tops
1018
00:58:18.530 --> 00:58:23.949
on a tide dependent. They'll fish these cliff tops. But
1019
00:58:24.010 --> 00:58:27.090
during the night, they'll say that they've seen what's called
1020
00:58:27.130 --> 00:58:31.199
the ghost of big railings. And there's a stand where
1021
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.280
people look out to see aptly named big railings. And
1022
00:58:35.300 --> 00:58:38.579
they've seen a sphere of white light on the stand
1023
00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:41.530
and sort of walked up to where this is. And
1024
00:58:41.610 --> 00:58:44.880
there's nothing there. And it's not just one fisherman that's
1025
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.739
seen it. And the fishermen have named it the Ghost
1026
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.699
of Big Railings. And they believe that it's a fisherman
1027
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:56.559
with a headlight on, a single circular headlight. So what
1028
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:58.760
we're doing as humans, we're attaching a body to a
1029
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.190
sphere of light and a light form, perhaps. I could
1030
00:59:02.210 --> 00:59:04.730
be wrong. But we've got the Ghost of Big Railings.
1031
00:59:04.750 --> 00:59:08.010
We've got the White Lady. Staying in Daines Dyke, if
1032
00:59:08.190 --> 00:59:12.019
I may, at the sidelines, of Daines Dyke, there's a
1033
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.500
golf course called the Lynx Golf Course. And I recently
1034
00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:21.170
wrote about what I've called the Lynx Monster, because that's
1035
00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:25.210
quite what, that's how it was told to me. This
1036
00:59:25.250 --> 00:59:29.090
young guy contacted me about six months ago to tell
1037
00:59:29.110 --> 00:59:33.860
me that when Back in about 2007, he worked at
1038
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:37.260
a local supermarket in Bridlington. He said one of the
1039
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.800
managers there once was stood outside. They were having cigarettes
1040
00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:45.420
or having a break. He said the manager stood talking
1041
00:59:45.460 --> 00:59:47.619
to some of the younger guys who would be stacking
1042
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:49.280
the shelves and things. He said he had just left
1043
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.420
school and it were a fill in job until he
1044
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.659
went to university. He said he's talking. He said he
1045
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:59.559
suddenly said, I've seen a monster. He said, and we
1046
00:59:59.619 --> 01:00:01.949
all kind of stopped and listened because this is somebody
1047
01:00:01.969 --> 01:00:03.949
in a higher position than us. This is management. So
1048
01:00:03.989 --> 01:00:05.429
then we're listening to him. And he said, yeah, he said,
1049
01:00:05.469 --> 01:00:08.889
I was on a golf course with a friend. He said,
1050
01:00:08.949 --> 01:00:10.949
and I saw a monster. He said, and we all
1051
01:00:11.030 --> 01:00:14.550
laughed at him. He said, we just laughed. And it
1052
01:00:14.610 --> 01:00:17.949
kind of, it really upset him. You know, this is
1053
01:00:17.989 --> 01:00:22.179
somebody superior who they're supposed to have respect for. And
1054
01:00:22.219 --> 01:00:24.699
he's told them something in what he thinks is in
1055
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.960
confidence or thinks he's going to be taken seriously. And
1056
01:00:26.980 --> 01:00:29.860
they laughed at him and he shut down. He wouldn't
1057
01:00:29.949 --> 01:00:32.840
talk to them about it after that. But this guy
1058
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.219
then six months ago, the one who was back in 2007,
1059
01:00:37.219 --> 01:00:41.500
was a young shelf stacker at the supermarket, contacted me
1060
01:00:41.539 --> 01:00:43.380
to say, you know, the more I've thought about it
1061
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.780
over the years, I realised that this guy actually did
1062
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.099
see something and I'm going to try and contact him
1063
01:00:50.179 --> 01:00:53.829
for you. Well, we tried. Me and this young fella
1064
01:00:54.230 --> 01:00:57.440
called Ben, who first gave me the story, We tried
1065
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.059
and tried. You know, I went up to the supermarket
1066
01:01:00.139 --> 01:01:04.179
because obviously we're going back to 2007, trying to trace
1067
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.239
this man. And we'd only got his first name. So
1068
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.050
we gathered it together. And eventually I found out where
1069
01:01:10.070 --> 01:01:13.050
this man worked. And he worked about 15 miles away
1070
01:01:13.489 --> 01:01:17.130
at a garage of all places. When we finally traced him,
1071
01:01:17.929 --> 01:01:20.630
I got to speak to him. And I relayed the
1072
01:01:20.730 --> 01:01:25.159
story that I've just told you guys now about him
1073
01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:28.219
as a younger man. telling a group of younger men
1074
01:01:29.030 --> 01:01:32.050
about seeing a monster. I weren't sure what response I
1075
01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:34.289
was going to get. And he said, yeah, he says,
1076
01:01:34.349 --> 01:01:36.289
I did see something. He said, but I don't want
1077
01:01:36.349 --> 01:01:40.789
to tell you at the moment. Can I think about
1078
01:01:40.829 --> 01:01:42.809
this for a bit? And then I'll get back to you.
1079
01:01:43.210 --> 01:01:46.679
And about three weeks passed. And I thought, well, this
1080
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.800
is end of it. We're not going to hear anymore.
1081
01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:52.760
But he got in touch. And here's the story. And
1082
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:56.059
another one, Steve, a bit like the pixelating man on
1083
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:58.719
the beach. It's one I've never heard before. He said
1084
01:01:59.989 --> 01:02:03.130
the year was not 2007, despite the fact that I
1085
01:02:03.150 --> 01:02:06.570
probably told those guys in 2007. He said, I think
1086
01:02:06.630 --> 01:02:10.150
it was between 2000 and 2001. So I'd been at
1087
01:02:10.210 --> 01:02:14.809
work all day. It was winter. He said we'd finished work,
1088
01:02:15.030 --> 01:02:17.760
me and a friend, and I borrowed my dad's car
1089
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:20.760
and I drove to the Lynx golf course in my
1090
01:02:20.780 --> 01:02:23.659
dad's car and we decided to go on the driving range.
1091
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.840
To describe the driving range, you guys probably already know,
1092
01:02:26.860 --> 01:02:30.070
but it was an oblong area, trees to the right,
1093
01:02:30.329 --> 01:02:33.250
trees to the left, and trees to the bottom, obviously
1094
01:02:33.269 --> 01:02:36.590
for protection from these high-velocity golf balls that are getting
1095
01:02:36.710 --> 01:02:40.630
fired down this range. He said, in the distance, you've
1096
01:02:40.670 --> 01:02:43.920
got boards 50 yards, 100 yards, 150, and so forth.
1097
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.539
It's not a long story, this, but it's creepy. He said,
1098
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:52.960
it's not quite dark, but it's evening time, and we're
1099
01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:56.380
sort of enjoying playing with these golf balls. He said,
1100
01:02:56.420 --> 01:02:59.820
I noticed something white to the right-hand side in the
1101
01:02:59.909 --> 01:03:03.909
tree line. It just caught my attention, but nothing to
1102
01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:05.710
sort of stop and go, what the hell is that?
1103
01:03:05.949 --> 01:03:08.570
Could have been another man in a white shirt for
1104
01:03:08.610 --> 01:03:11.929
all he knew. He said, and then it came out
1105
01:03:11.989 --> 01:03:15.150
of the tree line about 100 yards down and I
1106
01:03:15.389 --> 01:03:20.019
stopped absolutely rigid to the spot because what I was
1107
01:03:20.099 --> 01:03:25.309
looking at apart from having two legs and two arms
1108
01:03:25.389 --> 01:03:29.429
and a head was not human he said the arms
1109
01:03:29.469 --> 01:03:34.050
were pipe like there's no elbows they were literally just
1110
01:03:34.670 --> 01:03:38.570
from the shoulder down to the wrist they're just long
1111
01:03:38.909 --> 01:03:43.409
thin arms no muscularity nothing the same with the legs
1112
01:03:43.590 --> 01:03:46.929
and an emaciated body he didn't say he could see
1113
01:03:47.030 --> 01:03:50.690
ribs and the head he couldn't see any eyes He
1114
01:03:50.730 --> 01:03:56.190
said it looked like marble. That's what he described it as.
1115
01:03:56.590 --> 01:03:58.949
He said, if you could imagine white marble with a
1116
01:03:59.050 --> 01:04:02.260
slight tinge of grey. He says, now I'm just mesmerised.
1117
01:04:02.300 --> 01:04:04.739
This thing's on the edge of the golf course. I
1118
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:09.320
can't see eyes. And it's slowly starting to move out.
1119
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:11.679
He said, and at that point, I'd not spoke about
1120
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.949
it to my friend. And my friend, I won't swear, Steve,
1121
01:04:14.989 --> 01:04:17.170
but he started with F and his friend said, what
1122
01:04:17.210 --> 01:04:20.570
the F is that? And he said it quietly. He said,
1123
01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:23.489
and as soon as he'd said it, this thing stopped.
1124
01:04:24.170 --> 01:04:26.309
He said, and although I never saw it turn its head,
1125
01:04:27.250 --> 01:04:29.230
I knew it was looking at us. He said, I
1126
01:04:29.250 --> 01:04:32.170
just knew it was. He said, I don't know how.
1127
01:04:32.349 --> 01:04:34.889
I couldn't see eyes, but I knew it was looking
1128
01:04:34.949 --> 01:04:38.679
at us. He said, fear just enveloped us both. Put
1129
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:43.119
the golf clubs away, jumped in dad's car and drove home.
1130
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.500
So that is the story of the Lynx Monster.
1131
01:04:47.070 --> 01:04:50.070
And the modern version of that, it kind of reminds
1132
01:04:50.130 --> 01:04:51.710
me of the rake that.
1133
01:04:51.570 --> 01:04:53.329
You hear people talking about.
1134
01:04:53.769 --> 01:04:58.199
Yeah. So, I mean, how far back, Steve, you'll have
1135
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.219
more knowledge of this than me, do the stories of
1136
01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:01.260
the rake go?
1137
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:03.179
Yeah, I'm not really sure.
1138
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:06.019
Now, a lot of people claim it's made up, that
1139
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:09.340
it's creepypasta, but I believe that it's based in things
1140
01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:12.119
that people have actually seen. I know people that have
1141
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:16.010
seen a similar creature. So again, is that a telpa?
1142
01:05:16.139 --> 01:05:19.179
Is all these people talking about it and writing fictitious
1143
01:05:19.219 --> 01:05:22.159
stories about it? Has that brought it to being? I'm
1144
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:26.079
reminded of Walter Gibson, the guy that wrote the old
1145
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:32.380
Shadow dime novels and radio scripts, the house that he
1146
01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:34.219
lived in in New York. And this was a man
1147
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:36.860
that had six typewriters and he would jump from one
1148
01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:39.519
typewriter to another. So he never got writer's block. I
1149
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:41.739
do that with a computer. I work on several different
1150
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.860
stories at the same time. But literally, he had put
1151
01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:49.050
enough blood, sweat, and tears into this creature, this person,
1152
01:05:49.489 --> 01:05:52.210
Lamar Cranston, who was the character of the shadow in
1153
01:05:52.469 --> 01:05:55.530
the books and the radio plays, that it started appearing
1154
01:05:55.650 --> 01:05:57.909
in his apartment. He had some guests over for dinner
1155
01:05:58.030 --> 01:06:02.420
one night, and he saw, they saw, somebody dressed.
1156
01:06:02.340 --> 01:06:03.079
Like the shadow.
1157
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.659
He wore like a drape coat and a slouch hat
1158
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:08.320
and a scarf. And they thought, oh, that's cute. You
1159
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.530
hired somebody to dress up like the shadow to entertain
1160
01:06:11.590 --> 01:06:13.349
us here. They saw him up in the galley above
1161
01:06:13.710 --> 01:06:17.070
the kitchen or the dining room. And he said, no,
1162
01:06:17.409 --> 01:06:19.329
he said, that's a mental, I think he called it
1163
01:06:19.349 --> 01:06:22.909
a mental image or mental impression that I see here.
1164
01:06:23.309 --> 01:06:23.929
And he said, I've.
1165
01:06:23.829 --> 01:06:26.690
Literally put so much blood, sweat and tears, wrote millions
1166
01:06:26.710 --> 01:06:29.710
of words in these books and radio plays that it
1167
01:06:29.789 --> 01:06:32.269
came to life. And that the apartment that he lived
1168
01:06:32.309 --> 01:06:35.150
in in New York, it was featured on the Holzer
1169
01:06:35.210 --> 01:06:37.489
files where they go in and look at places that
1170
01:06:37.510 --> 01:06:41.519
Hans Holzer talked about to the building itself has had
1171
01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:46.929
lots of encounters and phenomena there, but whatever he saw there,
1172
01:06:46.969 --> 01:06:48.949
he claimed that it was because he put so much
1173
01:06:49.449 --> 01:06:51.349
into this character that it brought it to life. So
1174
01:06:51.389 --> 01:06:55.269
there's your, your native American Topa type character.
1175
01:06:55.289 --> 01:06:59.400
Yeah. And do you know, I, I, I can throw
1176
01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:04.099
a lot of belief my, from myself into what you're
1177
01:07:04.139 --> 01:07:09.869
talking about, because yeah, UFO researchers see UFOs, ghost hunters
1178
01:07:09.949 --> 01:07:14.570
see ghosts. And it makes you wonder, are we dealing with,
1179
01:07:14.659 --> 01:07:18.619
and I'm throwing this out loosely to your listeners, are
1180
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:24.780
we dealing with one all-encompassing phenomena, one intelligent other that
1181
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.869
is giving us what we want? You know, as wild
1182
01:07:29.929 --> 01:07:33.769
as that might sound, there may be some kind of
1183
01:07:33.969 --> 01:07:38.280
truth to it. You know, it's... I believe, I can't remember,
1184
01:07:38.300 --> 01:07:41.059
there was an experiment done where I think it was
1185
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:45.300
a bunch of people created a ghost called Philip. And
1186
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.079
that almost took on a life of its own if
1187
01:07:48.139 --> 01:07:52.949
a ghost can. So are we creating these things or
1188
01:07:52.989 --> 01:07:55.510
is it the phenomena giving us what we want?
1189
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.590
I think it's a bit of both. Because I've heard
1190
01:07:59.630 --> 01:08:02.489
of cases like that where two people would have experience
1191
01:08:02.530 --> 01:08:04.849
at the same time. One of them saw one thing
1192
01:08:04.949 --> 01:08:07.010
and the one right next to him saw something else
1193
01:08:07.070 --> 01:08:09.329
or maybe didn't see anything at all. I think it's
1194
01:08:09.409 --> 01:08:13.070
able to pull from our subconscious. And if it's our
1195
01:08:13.170 --> 01:08:15.909
fear that it feeds on, it's putting something there that
1196
01:08:15.929 --> 01:08:19.529
will scare you or the obverse of that would be
1197
01:08:20.010 --> 01:08:22.069
it's putting something there that you wouldn't be afraid of
1198
01:08:22.109 --> 01:08:25.300
so it can observe you. And I've thought about my
1199
01:08:25.569 --> 01:08:28.000
black-eyed kids encounter that I had back in the 90s.
1200
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:30.739
I don't even think that that was two little girls
1201
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.539
that I saw. I think it was something projecting itself.
1202
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:35.180
Yeah, yeah.
1203
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.840
Because the fear and just the– it was almost like
1204
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:42.590
a demonic feeling, if you will, the energy that was
1205
01:08:42.630 --> 01:08:46.689
coming off them. So, again, I don't think I actually
1206
01:08:46.729 --> 01:08:48.430
saw what I thought I saw. And you have that
1207
01:08:48.609 --> 01:08:52.109
in UFO, like Whitley Strieber and his owls and things
1208
01:08:52.130 --> 01:08:55.649
like that. They're screen memories or shadow memories, things that
1209
01:08:55.670 --> 01:08:58.229
are put in your brain. And I don't know if
1210
01:08:58.270 --> 01:09:00.720
the brain does that to keep it from totally shattering
1211
01:09:00.739 --> 01:09:03.960
your psyche or if whatever this entity or entities are,
1212
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:05.079
if they're putting it in.
1213
01:09:05.460 --> 01:09:08.270
Yeah, and I know it's all speculative and I could say, well,
1214
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.350
I think it's the entities, but at the end of
1215
01:09:10.369 --> 01:09:13.449
the day, I don't really know. But while we're on
1216
01:09:13.470 --> 01:09:17.430
about owls, I can relate another story now to you
1217
01:09:17.449 --> 01:09:21.850
from 2010, the best the witness can do is 2010
1218
01:09:21.850 --> 01:09:25.680
to 2012 that they think that this took place. And
1219
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.819
it's a lady. It doesn't matter to your listeners if
1220
01:09:30.859 --> 01:09:33.359
I don't say the names, does it? Because, you know,
1221
01:09:33.380 --> 01:09:35.100
I just don't think it's fair on this lady. She's
1222
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:36.359
not said I can use her name.
1223
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:37.390
Yeah, it's a lady.
1224
01:09:38.050 --> 01:09:41.109
I take cases that are anonymous or, you know, please
1225
01:09:41.130 --> 01:09:42.229
don't tell anybody my name.
1226
01:09:42.250 --> 01:09:43.590
So either way is fine.
1227
01:09:44.010 --> 01:09:46.149
Well, that's what it is. And it's a firsthand account.
1228
01:09:46.189 --> 01:09:49.899
I've spoken to the people. It's a lady, her 10-year-old
1229
01:09:50.020 --> 01:09:52.479
son and her sister. There was a fourth person in
1230
01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:54.760
the car, but we never spoke about the fourth person.
1231
01:09:55.420 --> 01:09:58.000
And there on the back road into the village that
1232
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:02.840
I spoke about earlier, Hunmanby, Farmstead of the Houndman. They've
1233
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:07.239
just come past Hunmanby Hall and they're on this unlit
1234
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:11.539
road driving down on a approximately 30-degree incline to a
1235
01:10:11.619 --> 01:10:14.779
small roundabout. It's not even a roundabout. It's just a
1236
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.680
white painted circling road because it's a very narrow road.
1237
01:10:18.170 --> 01:10:22.529
They're driving down this road, lovely starlit night. And when
1238
01:10:22.569 --> 01:10:24.390
you're on the crest of this road, you can see
1239
01:10:24.430 --> 01:10:27.850
the sea in the distance and Hunanbi Bay. And it's
1240
01:10:27.899 --> 01:10:31.100
about two miles away. And they can see something in
1241
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:34.140
the sky, a big black shape with a point on
1242
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.579
each corner. So we know we're looking at one of
1243
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:40.239
these flying triangles. Slowly coming down this road and this
1244
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:44.810
object's coming towards them. And it's huge. Sister puts the
1245
01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:48.069
window down on the car and sits on the rim
1246
01:10:48.109 --> 01:10:52.770
of the door, looking up at this thing as it's approaching.
1247
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:57.340
And it's low in the sky, monstrously big triangle with
1248
01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:01.659
a glass dome or some glass feature on the top.
1249
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.970
No sound, totally silent. And it stops literally momentarily above
1250
01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:11.039
the car and then moves away. at speed, and then
1251
01:11:11.100 --> 01:11:14.199
they say moves away at great speed, almost in two movements.
1252
01:11:14.539 --> 01:11:18.710
The next thing that they become aware of is that
1253
01:11:18.770 --> 01:11:24.029
outside the White Swan pub in Hunmanby. Now, I realise
1254
01:11:24.050 --> 01:11:26.310
your listeners aren't going to know these locations, but it
1255
01:11:26.350 --> 01:11:29.760
would take about 60 to 90 seconds by car to
1256
01:11:29.819 --> 01:11:34.060
drive to that pub from where they are. But she's lost,
1257
01:11:34.260 --> 01:11:37.619
or they've lost, 30 minutes of time. She kind of
1258
01:11:37.779 --> 01:11:40.659
comes to us, she says. I come to my senses
1259
01:11:40.859 --> 01:11:43.500
as two people pass the front of the car. And
1260
01:11:43.539 --> 01:11:48.479
my son in the back becomes hysterical and starts screaming,
1261
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.949
take me home, take me home now, take me home.
1262
01:11:50.970 --> 01:11:54.350
He said, we did. We took him home. Me and
1263
01:11:54.390 --> 01:11:58.369
my sister decided to go back out and look in
1264
01:11:58.409 --> 01:12:01.550
the direction in the car where this thing travelled to,
1265
01:12:01.890 --> 01:12:04.270
which would have been, I think they said, Wold Newton.
1266
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:07.409
We drove out that way, all unlit. There's nothing there
1267
01:12:07.449 --> 01:12:09.949
but open fields and woodlands. And we could see a
1268
01:12:09.989 --> 01:12:13.050
cluster of lights in a field. But we could never
1269
01:12:13.090 --> 01:12:16.130
get close to the cluster of lights. And we kept driving.
1270
01:12:16.149 --> 01:12:18.430
And every time we sort of lost sight of them
1271
01:12:18.909 --> 01:12:24.760
on a slight brow of a hill or bend, we'd
1272
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.300
see the cluster of lights. And then suddenly a huge
1273
01:12:27.500 --> 01:12:31.770
white owl flew at the windscreen. And I hit the kerb.
1274
01:12:32.189 --> 01:12:34.810
The car came to a stop. We didn't damage the
1275
01:12:34.850 --> 01:12:38.250
car or ourselves. But when we restarted the car and
1276
01:12:38.289 --> 01:12:41.590
set off again, there's no lights in the field. There's nothing.
1277
01:12:42.029 --> 01:12:46.260
So a short but sort of interesting account, I feel,
1278
01:12:46.340 --> 01:12:50.920
from Farmstead of the Houndmanland, Hundmanby. So, you know, of
1279
01:12:50.979 --> 01:12:55.890
a triangle sighting. And, you know, Steve, I... I've got
1280
01:12:55.949 --> 01:13:00.449
lots more cryptid accounts and UFO accounts. So which direction
1281
01:13:00.470 --> 01:13:01.350
do you want me to go?
1282
01:13:02.069 --> 01:13:04.470
Well, the floor is yours, Paul. You just pick a
1283
01:13:04.489 --> 01:13:08.130
direction and go. I'm excited over all of it. So
1284
01:13:08.149 --> 01:13:10.220
you just please yourself. And I'm sure the.
1285
01:13:10.140 --> 01:13:11.770
Audience will love it as I do.
1286
01:13:11.949 --> 01:13:13.979
The only reason I said that was because I've got
1287
01:13:13.989 --> 01:13:16.159
the most incredible... We're going to talk to you about
1288
01:13:16.220 --> 01:13:19.439
some military guys that encountered a werewolf on the clifftops
1289
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.140
on February the 7th, 2019. But seeing as we're in Hunmandie,
1290
01:13:23.899 --> 01:13:28.180
I think I'm going to stay with the Hunmanby incident,
1291
01:13:28.659 --> 01:13:32.369
which I believe is potentially one of the biggest stories
1292
01:13:32.409 --> 01:13:35.430
that's ever to come out of the United Kingdom. And
1293
01:13:36.010 --> 01:13:39.250
every time I speak about it, people are interested. So
1294
01:13:39.289 --> 01:13:42.930
we'll go with Hunmanby. And if you want a selection
1295
01:13:42.949 --> 01:13:46.689
of different accounts in, as I'm talking to this, stop me, Steve,
1296
01:13:46.729 --> 01:13:50.560
and we can do even more another time. So we're
1297
01:13:50.590 --> 01:13:54.829
going back now to 1996, 97 and 98. And there's
1298
01:13:54.970 --> 01:14:00.409
three men who have day jobs working basically with motor
1299
01:14:00.430 --> 01:14:04.470
vehicles and sign writing motor vehicles. They have good day jobs.
1300
01:14:04.529 --> 01:14:08.109
And in the 1990s on a night, they used to
1301
01:14:08.430 --> 01:14:11.010
finish work their day job and have the tea at home,
1302
01:14:11.369 --> 01:14:15.449
then drive from Bridlington, which eight miles to Hunmanby and
1303
01:14:15.489 --> 01:14:18.449
work in this industrial unit. Just the three of them.
1304
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:23.210
on the industrial unit at Hunmanby, an half brick building
1305
01:14:23.270 --> 01:14:26.310
with corrugated sheets all around the top. I'll give a
1306
01:14:26.329 --> 01:14:29.449
description of the building. Huge roller shutter doors front and back,
1307
01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:33.199
big enough to drive a double-decker bus in and park
1308
01:14:33.260 --> 01:14:36.159
several of these inside it and a small door at
1309
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.699
the side. All of these things are important to the story.
1310
01:14:38.979 --> 01:14:41.170
Got to paint the picture here, people. and a big
1311
01:14:41.270 --> 01:14:44.430
compound out the back. And I'm going to name two
1312
01:14:44.470 --> 01:14:47.109
of the men, Andrew and Dave. The third one I've
1313
01:14:47.149 --> 01:14:49.449
spoken to, I've sat and spoke to him for hours,
1314
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:53.439
but he does not want his name using. So in June,
1315
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.380
July and August of 96, 97 and 98, strange things
1316
01:14:57.460 --> 01:15:00.399
began to happen. These guys have got no interest in
1317
01:15:00.420 --> 01:15:04.899
the paranormal. Andrew was the first to notice it. He
1318
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.460
said he came to the unit after his day job
1319
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.010
one night, And just to describe a bit more of
1320
01:15:10.090 --> 01:15:12.409
the unit, in the bottom right-hand corner, there was a
1321
01:15:12.470 --> 01:15:15.569
toilet block, a small toilet block. On top of that
1322
01:15:15.689 --> 01:15:18.529
was the boss's office. This is witness number three, who
1323
01:15:19.090 --> 01:15:22.479
I won't name. And a flight of stairs running up
1324
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:26.359
to his office. And above that, a dark area of
1325
01:15:26.420 --> 01:15:29.420
about four foot, where before you got to the main
1326
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.899
roof of the building. He said, and on top of that,
1327
01:15:31.939 --> 01:15:34.670
there was light bulbs and boxes of washers and nuts
1328
01:15:34.750 --> 01:15:37.710
and bolts. He said, because before they took it over,
1329
01:15:38.390 --> 01:15:40.630
it was an engineering works. So there were bits of
1330
01:15:40.729 --> 01:15:44.390
washers and bolts all over the place, little half filled boxes.
1331
01:15:45.050 --> 01:15:46.829
He said, I'm preparing a car and I'm rubbing a
1332
01:15:46.869 --> 01:15:49.909
car down. He said, all lit up the building. He said,
1333
01:15:49.930 --> 01:15:53.170
and suddenly I just caught it out at peripheral. He said,
1334
01:15:53.250 --> 01:15:55.630
a piece of wood come off top of this office block.
1335
01:15:56.369 --> 01:15:59.229
His boss's office. I went straight past my head and
1336
01:15:59.270 --> 01:16:01.909
it floor. He says, now look, he said, there's only
1337
01:16:01.939 --> 01:16:04.939
me here. I know. He said, because boss has a
1338
01:16:04.979 --> 01:16:05.739
bit of a prankster.
1339
01:16:05.779 --> 01:16:06.340
He's up there.
1340
01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:09.119
He's acting about. And he, He said, I just pretended
1341
01:16:09.140 --> 01:16:12.300
I weren't bothered and carried on preparing this car. Then
1342
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:15.060
a light bulb come off top. What the hell is that?
1343
01:16:15.539 --> 01:16:18.079
Kind of puzzled, he said, and trying to keep a
1344
01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:19.920
smile on my face. They're not going to wind me up,
1345
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.270
whoever it is. And it's coming from the top of
1346
01:16:22.310 --> 01:16:26.350
this dark void between the office and the ceiling. This
1347
01:16:26.409 --> 01:16:29.869
is 10 minutes later. David and the boss walk through
1348
01:16:29.909 --> 01:16:32.729
the front door, through this little side door. So I
1349
01:16:32.770 --> 01:16:34.590
told them what had happened and they all said, oh, well,
1350
01:16:34.609 --> 01:16:38.180
you silly devil. You'd imagine nobody else is here. There's
1351
01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:40.359
only us here. He says, and then we're all together
1352
01:16:40.420 --> 01:16:45.670
talking and smack, he said, something inside that building on inside.
1353
01:16:45.710 --> 01:16:47.529
And then we had the tinkle and a washer at
1354
01:16:47.590 --> 01:16:50.529
the side of the building, a steel washer. Then another one.
1355
01:16:50.909 --> 01:16:53.130
He said, and then, so this is June, July and August.
1356
01:16:53.149 --> 01:16:56.229
So then it built up and we were all becoming
1357
01:16:56.289 --> 01:16:57.800
aware of it. All three of us, he said, and
1358
01:16:57.810 --> 01:17:01.619
you'd walk down to the front of the, to the
1359
01:17:01.659 --> 01:17:04.300
back of the buildings, apologies, to the back of the building.
1360
01:17:04.939 --> 01:17:07.479
And suddenly a a handful of gravel would fall in
1361
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:10.380
front of your eyes. And there's no, apart from the
1362
01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:13.310
office block, which is in the bottom right-hand corner, and
1363
01:17:13.449 --> 01:17:17.609
only probably 10 foot by 10 foot in this huge
1364
01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:20.890
building that you can drive an Arctic wagon in or
1365
01:17:20.930 --> 01:17:24.750
a double-decker bus, there's no other floors to the building.
1366
01:17:25.149 --> 01:17:27.920
So we'd walk down and suddenly coins would drop in
1367
01:17:27.939 --> 01:17:29.800
front of your eyes. So you'd pick them up and
1368
01:17:29.819 --> 01:17:34.729
it's old money or foreign money. So we can't understand it.
1369
01:17:34.770 --> 01:17:37.909
And it just builds and builds. And the compound at
1370
01:17:37.930 --> 01:17:40.710
the back was so big that they let part of
1371
01:17:40.729 --> 01:17:43.800
the compound off to a guy who wanted to buy
1372
01:17:43.899 --> 01:17:47.500
old caravans and strip them down and sell parts. They said,
1373
01:17:47.539 --> 01:17:50.100
so we started clearing this bit of land and we
1374
01:17:50.140 --> 01:17:54.159
found an old grave marker, a wooden one made out
1375
01:17:54.220 --> 01:17:56.239
of hardwood. And he had an inscription on it. They
1376
01:17:56.260 --> 01:17:58.159
can't remember the name, but it was a young girl
1377
01:17:58.220 --> 01:18:00.239
and it was from a little girl. And it was
1378
01:18:00.260 --> 01:18:04.869
from the 1800s. He said, we attributed all this strange,
1379
01:18:04.970 --> 01:18:08.949
spooky behavior, the washers flying about to a poltergeist. And
1380
01:18:08.970 --> 01:18:11.770
we thought it was the poltergeist or the ghost of
1381
01:18:11.789 --> 01:18:14.760
this young girl. We really did that. We didn't think
1382
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:19.220
anything else. And I'll sort of walk us through this.
1383
01:18:19.260 --> 01:18:21.789
He said, and then towards the end of August, it
1384
01:18:21.970 --> 01:18:25.750
petered out. Other things had happened. Light bulbs would suddenly blow.
1385
01:18:26.109 --> 01:18:28.750
But there's more. We'll get to all this, Steve. And
1386
01:18:28.789 --> 01:18:31.100
I am condensing it because I want to fit more
1387
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:33.979
stories in of The Strange and Unusual for your listeners.
1388
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:38.739
So 1997 comes. And there's more of the same June,
1389
01:18:38.779 --> 01:18:43.279
July and August for some reason. I'm working on an
1390
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.430
open top bus one evening and Andrew's relaying most of
1391
01:18:46.470 --> 01:18:49.989
the stories. And he said, suddenly all the lights are on.
1392
01:18:50.300 --> 01:18:53.920
just go very, very bright in the unit and a
1393
01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:57.760
strip light above the bus falls into the top of
1394
01:18:57.819 --> 01:19:00.510
the bus. Now we realise that these things can happen.
1395
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.869
He said, but all the power cut, all the lights
1396
01:19:03.909 --> 01:19:06.770
went off, but the radio that was plugged in and
1397
01:19:06.810 --> 01:19:11.850
didn't have batteries continued to play. So that kind of
1398
01:19:11.949 --> 01:19:15.689
threw us. So we'd go outside to our vehicles and
1399
01:19:16.229 --> 01:19:18.989
they explained that they've got there about six on an evening,
1400
01:19:19.180 --> 01:19:22.420
most evenings, and they'd work till 10 or 11, then
1401
01:19:22.460 --> 01:19:24.720
go home, do the day job, then go back the
1402
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:26.800
next day. And on a weekend, they might still stay
1403
01:19:26.819 --> 01:19:29.960
till 3am, you know. So we'd go to our cars
1404
01:19:30.020 --> 01:19:32.579
on a night and we'd lock the compound so that
1405
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.460
nobody could sort of get into the compound while we
1406
01:19:35.500 --> 01:19:37.090
were working. And we're going back to the 1990s. If
1407
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:43.050
anybody wants to Google the industrial estate at Hunmanby. You
1408
01:19:43.069 --> 01:19:46.130
will see now that there's still only about 15 to
1409
01:19:46.130 --> 01:19:48.710
20 units on it. There were about four or five
1410
01:19:48.750 --> 01:19:52.550
in the 1990s. It's very close to what's called the
1411
01:19:52.590 --> 01:19:55.050
spirit of Yorkshire, where they make whiskey. So I'm just
1412
01:19:55.090 --> 01:19:58.189
giving people reference points in case they are remotely interested.
1413
01:19:58.890 --> 01:20:01.170
So we lock the compound, go to our cars on
1414
01:20:01.210 --> 01:20:05.069
a night to go home. And there's little triangular mounds
1415
01:20:05.149 --> 01:20:09.010
of gravel on the bonnets of the cars. We can't
1416
01:20:09.050 --> 01:20:11.989
work it out. We go out another time. There's moisture
1417
01:20:12.010 --> 01:20:17.140
or the smattering of frost on the cars. And there'd
1418
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:20.420
be huge footprints on the boot, on the roof, on
1419
01:20:20.460 --> 01:20:24.020
the bonnet of the cars. Far too big not to
1420
01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:29.710
dent the cars, but there's footprints, huge barefoot footprints on
1421
01:20:29.770 --> 01:20:33.210
the bonnets. So then I got talking to the... two
1422
01:20:33.310 --> 01:20:35.630
of the boss who doesn't want to be named because
1423
01:20:35.670 --> 01:20:37.630
I spoke to them all individually. And there's a lot
1424
01:20:37.689 --> 01:20:39.510
of years and a lot of water ran under the
1425
01:20:39.550 --> 01:20:42.529
bridge between these guys talking to each other. I'll give
1426
01:20:42.550 --> 01:20:44.449
you a breakdown of how I come to find out
1427
01:20:44.529 --> 01:20:48.159
about the story in a moment. And he's relaying just
1428
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:50.380
about what the other two, Andrew and David, have told me.
1429
01:20:50.380 --> 01:20:52.539
He said, but there's one night the other two had
1430
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:55.680
gone home. It's my premises. So I decided I was locking,
1431
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.789
obviously going to go home after them. And I locked up.
1432
01:20:59.180 --> 01:21:01.460
And I've just got to the gates. It's not even floodlit.
1433
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:03.979
And there's a big steel fence around it, about eight
1434
01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:06.520
foot tall with spikes on top. So I just got
1435
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:10.170
this terrible feeling of fear. And I turned around and
1436
01:21:10.270 --> 01:21:13.189
looked and about eight to ten foot away from me,
1437
01:21:13.729 --> 01:21:19.869
there's this huge outline of a monstrous creature on two legs.
1438
01:21:20.449 --> 01:21:22.869
Don't see fur. Don't see eyes. I just see this
1439
01:21:23.090 --> 01:21:26.689
black outline of these huge shoulders. Head on top of
1440
01:21:26.729 --> 01:21:29.840
this thing's just enormous. and I can just see it.
1441
01:21:29.859 --> 01:21:31.439
He says, and I just go back to the fence
1442
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:34.359
and I'm breathing here. People, he said, I went, just
1443
01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:36.920
pressed myself to the fence in fear. He said, and
1444
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.689
it just turned and walked into the night. And all
1445
01:21:39.699 --> 01:21:43.729
of this is happening. All of this, this strangeness is happening.
1446
01:21:44.130 --> 01:21:46.590
And I mean, I've written about it in book three.
1447
01:21:46.630 --> 01:21:52.510
There's literally tons more to Hunmandi. So 1998 comes and
1448
01:21:52.930 --> 01:21:57.770
there's the buildup, June, July, everything's, The same, they tell people,
1449
01:21:57.989 --> 01:22:01.409
you know, people who come to pick their vehicles up,
1450
01:22:01.770 --> 01:22:05.449
people who come to have a job priced up and
1451
01:22:05.590 --> 01:22:08.720
things are happening while they're telling people. He said it
1452
01:22:08.770 --> 01:22:12.600
became almost nonchalant to us. He said I was sat
1453
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:15.279
in the front of a recovery truck one day and
1454
01:22:15.300 --> 01:22:17.199
the big and wide with a big wide seat and
1455
01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:19.560
we were sort of working out a price to sign
1456
01:22:19.619 --> 01:22:23.079
right his recovery truck. And suddenly there's a huge crack
1457
01:22:23.140 --> 01:22:24.880
on the side of the building. And then you can
1458
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.699
hear the tinkling of washers. He says, the bloke, the
1459
01:22:28.739 --> 01:22:30.960
guy who's trucking, I said, what was that? He said,
1460
01:22:30.979 --> 01:22:33.560
and we'd just say, that's poltergeist. He said, it just
1461
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:37.260
became the norm. We were sort of conditioned to it.
1462
01:22:37.869 --> 01:22:40.510
But then Andrew started to get, before we get to 98,
1463
01:22:40.510 --> 01:22:44.149
I've missed a piece out. Andrew said, I started to
1464
01:22:44.189 --> 01:22:48.510
get really cocky and aggressive towards it. He said the
1465
01:22:48.550 --> 01:22:50.949
other two had told me not to taunt it, not
1466
01:22:51.029 --> 01:22:54.630
to wind it up. He said when the coins would
1467
01:22:54.670 --> 01:22:57.710
drop in front of your face, I would shout out,
1468
01:22:57.770 --> 01:23:00.590
if you're so powerful, give me some money I can spend.
1469
01:23:01.329 --> 01:23:03.569
Or if you're so good, give me the lottery numbers.
1470
01:23:04.260 --> 01:23:06.300
He said they warned me and warned me not to
1471
01:23:06.659 --> 01:23:09.800
taunt the phenomenon or whatever this was. He says I'm
1472
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:13.159
working on a vehicle one day and I just turned around.
1473
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:17.420
He said coming towards me in slow motion is a coin.
1474
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:21.460
full circle on not sideways he said it's it's almost
1475
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:23.939
slow he said i watched it and he said it
1476
01:23:24.989 --> 01:23:28.449
hit me banging the forehead he said it really hurt
1477
01:23:29.229 --> 01:23:31.029
he said i dropped to the floor and the other
1478
01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:33.649
two relayed the story they were laughing when they told
1479
01:23:33.670 --> 01:23:35.989
me they said he's spinning around saying i've been hit
1480
01:23:36.050 --> 01:23:39.250
i've been hit and he when he sort of showed
1481
01:23:39.270 --> 01:23:41.489
them his head and andrew said this is true he
1482
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.050
said I've got this red circle in the middle of
1483
01:23:44.090 --> 01:23:46.970
my head that lasted several days. So it shows intent
1484
01:23:47.090 --> 01:23:50.670
with whatever this thing was. So what I didn't tell
1485
01:23:50.689 --> 01:23:52.909
you at the beginning of this is that David, the
1486
01:23:52.949 --> 01:23:56.850
other witness, he's got memories of driving to Hunmanby and
1487
01:23:56.890 --> 01:23:59.930
seeing a flash of light in the sky where everything
1488
01:23:59.970 --> 01:24:03.010
becomes daylight for a split second. And in his words,
1489
01:24:03.050 --> 01:24:05.390
and they allowed me to record them, Steve, as well. Well,
1490
01:24:05.409 --> 01:24:07.800
the two of them did. The other one didn't. He said,
1491
01:24:07.810 --> 01:24:09.880
you know, when you've been somewhere, you know, when you've
1492
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.420
worked somewhere, He said, but I've got a memory of
1493
01:24:13.460 --> 01:24:16.380
the flash of light, but I've got no memory of anything.
1494
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.020
I don't remember going to the building. I don't remember
1495
01:24:19.060 --> 01:24:22.229
getting home. Andrew's got memories of the flash of light
1496
01:24:22.310 --> 01:24:25.750
as well. So there's those things in between. But on
1497
01:24:25.789 --> 01:24:28.489
a night, occasionally a few times a week, because they
1498
01:24:28.510 --> 01:24:31.649
went at least five or six days a week, David's
1499
01:24:31.689 --> 01:24:33.489
mum and dad, because he was the youngest of these
1500
01:24:33.550 --> 01:24:36.270
three men, used to come through. Andrew says he thinks
1501
01:24:36.289 --> 01:24:38.350
they were probably a bit bored and they'd come through
1502
01:24:38.390 --> 01:24:40.729
and stand and talk to the boss and things and
1503
01:24:40.750 --> 01:24:42.899
they'd bring him their son a flask of tea or
1504
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:45.420
something although I imagine there would have been a kettle
1505
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:49.079
and tea making facilities but they'd stand and talk so
1506
01:24:49.140 --> 01:24:50.880
they come into what I'm going to tell you next
1507
01:24:50.939 --> 01:24:54.960
that's why I fitted them into the story because they
1508
01:24:54.979 --> 01:24:58.100
also witnessed the phenomena whatever this phenomena was and I'm
1509
01:24:58.619 --> 01:25:01.560
skirted around there was just so much of it so
1510
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:08.250
1998 August 1998 this particular a few days before the
1511
01:25:08.289 --> 01:25:12.510
boss is out in the yard And he's having a cigarette.
1512
01:25:12.710 --> 01:25:16.550
And there's a bus breakers yard about a few units
1513
01:25:16.630 --> 01:25:20.850
down where they take old buses to bits and sell parts.
1514
01:25:21.340 --> 01:25:23.039
And they'd come up and they stood talking to him.
1515
01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:26.239
And coming from the sea, and it's not far from
1516
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:28.840
where this lady who saw the triangle with her sister
1517
01:25:28.939 --> 01:25:33.119
saw the triangle. All yours was 2010 to 2012. He said,
1518
01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:37.850
and this is 1998 people. He said, there's three huge
1519
01:25:37.949 --> 01:25:42.350
black triangles coming towards us. They're blocking out the stars.
1520
01:25:42.390 --> 01:25:45.800
There's no lights on each corner. They're blacker than anything
1521
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.090
he's ever seen in his life, but they're not lit up.
1522
01:25:48.539 --> 01:25:52.119
And we're just watching these things in awe. And the
1523
01:25:52.300 --> 01:25:55.699
three side by side, just as they get over the
1524
01:25:55.739 --> 01:25:57.039
top of them, the way they think they're going to
1525
01:25:57.060 --> 01:26:01.590
get the best vantage point, they switch off. They're not there. Now,
1526
01:26:01.609 --> 01:26:04.789
whether this is almost chameleon-like and they realise they've been
1527
01:26:04.909 --> 01:26:08.149
seen or whether this is deliberate, I guess we'll never know.
1528
01:26:08.649 --> 01:26:11.409
But the boss relayed this story to me. When I
1529
01:26:11.449 --> 01:26:18.600
was researching it after finding out about it, probably in 2017, 2016, 17,
1530
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.340
I went to the bus breakers yard, which is still there. Well,
1531
01:26:22.579 --> 01:26:24.979
the unit they had their experiences in is still there,
1532
01:26:25.020 --> 01:26:27.300
but it's used for a different purpose now. And I've
1533
01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:30.010
been there as well. And the guys at the Bus
1534
01:26:30.050 --> 01:26:32.310
Breakers Yard, some of them still work there and they
1535
01:26:32.369 --> 01:26:36.220
remember all of this, which is interesting. So where are we?
1536
01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:41.699
They've seen the triangles a few days before and then
1537
01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:47.199
they're working this particular evening in this big industrial sort
1538
01:26:47.270 --> 01:26:51.510
of warehouse unit type place. The roller shutters at the
1539
01:26:51.529 --> 01:26:56.539
back are up about six to eight foot and Andrew said,
1540
01:26:56.579 --> 01:26:59.399
I walked to the roller shutters and I walked down
1541
01:26:59.460 --> 01:27:04.220
to the bottom. And in the distance, probably 30 to
1542
01:27:04.220 --> 01:27:09.210
40 yards away, there's a UFO. He said, I've never
1543
01:27:09.270 --> 01:27:12.850
seen it. It's interesting speaking to Andrew. I could speak
1544
01:27:12.890 --> 01:27:15.569
to him tonight. This is how crazy this story is.
1545
01:27:15.590 --> 01:27:17.899
He lives 200 yards from me and I've known him
1546
01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:20.020
for 20 years. And I only found out about this
1547
01:27:20.060 --> 01:27:22.779
in 2017, people. And I'll give you my reasons in
1548
01:27:22.819 --> 01:27:25.920
a moment. obviously they didn't want it reviving. He said,
1549
01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:28.100
and I'm looking. And he says, and there's all mist
1550
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.510
around it. I said, how big was it, Andrew? He says,
1551
01:27:30.729 --> 01:27:32.529
about as long as a flatbed truck, what you would
1552
01:27:32.569 --> 01:27:34.729
put a car on. He said, but it can't have
1553
01:27:34.750 --> 01:27:37.829
been real. And he's still saying it. He says, what
1554
01:27:37.850 --> 01:27:40.329
a film set. He said, it can't have been real,
1555
01:27:40.390 --> 01:27:42.930
can it? I said, so what about all other stuff
1556
01:27:42.949 --> 01:27:45.979
that took place, 96, seven and eight? Oh yeah, that
1557
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:47.579
were real. What about the coin that hit you in
1558
01:27:47.619 --> 01:27:50.479
the head? Yeah, yeah. And the other stuff that you've
1559
01:27:50.539 --> 01:27:53.119
told me that you've asked me not to tell people because,
1560
01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.960
It doesn't incriminate anyone. Nobody's done anything wrong here, people.
1561
01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:03.760
But some of the things are a little bit sensitive. And, oh, yeah,
1562
01:28:03.779 --> 01:28:06.899
all that was real. I said, so why isn't this real?
1563
01:28:06.939 --> 01:28:10.000
He said, I can't believe what I was looking at.
1564
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.560
He said, there's all mist and lightning coming from it.
1565
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.140
He said, all flashes of light that look electrical. And
1566
01:28:17.659 --> 01:28:19.500
on the top of it, he says, it's a typical
1567
01:28:19.579 --> 01:28:23.770
flying saucer from Paris. From 1960s. He said, there's a bubble.
1568
01:28:24.470 --> 01:28:27.430
And there's this little being inside it. And I can
1569
01:28:27.470 --> 01:28:30.029
see it. It's moving about. He said, and then the
1570
01:28:30.050 --> 01:28:32.649
next thing I know, I'm walking back to the front
1571
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.350
of the building. And I open the side door at
1572
01:28:35.380 --> 01:28:38.100
the front and a guy dressed in black a military
1573
01:28:38.220 --> 01:28:41.779
in full military kit grabs hold of me drops me
1574
01:28:41.819 --> 01:28:45.619
to the floor he's armed swears profusely at me threatens
1575
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.739
me shakes me don't effing move you stay where you
1576
01:28:48.890 --> 01:28:50.510
are if you know what's good for you you don't
1577
01:28:50.569 --> 01:28:53.449
move and i've got all this on recording and andrew's
1578
01:28:53.470 --> 01:28:57.869
saying you know proper nasty whatever swear words and he
1579
01:28:57.890 --> 01:29:00.989
said frighten me to death So then I interviewed Dave
1580
01:29:01.310 --> 01:29:04.369
on his own. And remember, these guys have not, from
1581
01:29:04.369 --> 01:29:09.489
1998 to 2017, two of them at least hadn't spoken
1582
01:29:09.529 --> 01:29:14.770
for like 12 years. So anyway, I interviewed David and
1583
01:29:14.789 --> 01:29:16.890
we jump in his truck and we drive to Humminbee
1584
01:29:16.930 --> 01:29:20.340
and I record him telling me all the events. And
1585
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:24.439
I said, and I wait, I deliberately wait with the
1586
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:27.630
UFO part of the story because that to me, was
1587
01:29:27.670 --> 01:29:29.829
the icing on the cake. And I said, what about
1588
01:29:29.850 --> 01:29:32.380
the UFO? Oh, yeah, yeah, there were definitely some up there,
1589
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:34.439
he said. And his words were, I'll give you that.
1590
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:37.199
And what I've got, Steve, I've got quite good recall.
1591
01:29:37.220 --> 01:29:39.579
And I can usually remember what people say. I don't
1592
01:29:39.619 --> 01:29:42.319
mean word for word, but fairly close. And I remember
1593
01:29:42.340 --> 01:29:44.420
him saying, I'll give you that. Yeah, it was there.
1594
01:29:45.180 --> 01:29:47.680
I said, so did you see the dome on top
1595
01:29:47.739 --> 01:29:52.699
then and the actual shape of it? And he describes it,
1596
01:29:52.699 --> 01:29:54.939
and they weren't with Andrew, but it was the same night.
1597
01:29:55.729 --> 01:29:57.470
And all of them find this bit odd. They don't
1598
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.989
remember being with each other. And he said, no, he said,
1599
01:30:01.029 --> 01:30:04.189
I was looking down from roller shutter doors, and I
1600
01:30:04.229 --> 01:30:07.520
could see three beings. And if they'd got clothes on,
1601
01:30:07.550 --> 01:30:10.590
he said, they were wetsuits. He said, because I just
1602
01:30:10.630 --> 01:30:13.789
couldn't see any evidence of clothes. And their heads were
1603
01:30:13.829 --> 01:30:17.069
slightly larger than ours, and they were very thin. And
1604
01:30:18.310 --> 01:30:20.569
The next thing I remember is I'm walking to the
1605
01:30:20.630 --> 01:30:22.850
front of the building and I open the side door
1606
01:30:23.029 --> 01:30:26.840
and a military guy grabs hold of me, throws me
1607
01:30:26.899 --> 01:30:31.140
to the floor and threatens me. Absolutely frightened the life
1608
01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:34.649
out of me. So I speak to witness number three now,
1609
01:30:34.949 --> 01:30:37.609
who doesn't want to be named. I know all of this.
1610
01:30:37.670 --> 01:30:40.439
I'm armed with all of this information. And all I've
1611
01:30:40.470 --> 01:30:43.029
got is his number because the other two haven't spoke
1612
01:30:43.069 --> 01:30:45.210
to him for years, but they've got his number. This
1613
01:30:45.250 --> 01:30:47.550
guy was devastated when I rang him and wanted to
1614
01:30:47.609 --> 01:30:52.670
speak about this. Absolutely devastated. But nevertheless, I pursued it.
1615
01:30:52.710 --> 01:30:55.109
I went and dropped a book off at his home
1616
01:30:55.210 --> 01:30:57.829
to let him know I will hopefully tell him I
1617
01:30:57.850 --> 01:31:00.750
were genuine. And, you know, I promised him I wouldn't
1618
01:31:00.770 --> 01:31:03.390
reveal his name and I haven't done. When he begins
1619
01:31:03.430 --> 01:31:07.340
to tell me this story. Andrew did tell me that he... Ah,
1620
01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.100
one bit that Andrew would have not told you guys.
1621
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:13.819
Before Andrew walked to the front of the building, he
1622
01:31:13.850 --> 01:31:17.270
said he observed witness number three, as we'll call him,
1623
01:31:17.710 --> 01:31:20.869
walking down to the craft, walking down to the UFO
1624
01:31:21.229 --> 01:31:23.729
and disappearing into the mist. So that was that part,
1625
01:31:23.770 --> 01:31:26.229
which I'd forgot to tell you guys. So we're jumping
1626
01:31:26.270 --> 01:31:29.180
back to witness number three and I let him tell
1627
01:31:29.220 --> 01:31:34.300
me everything about what had happened, the radio playing without
1628
01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:39.470
batteries in, changing channels, the light bulbs flaring and smashing
1629
01:31:39.510 --> 01:31:43.920
the coins, the gravel dropping to the ground. It was
1630
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.180
the witness number three that told me about the Bigfoot
1631
01:31:46.260 --> 01:31:50.180
type creature. They didn't tell me that. And a host
1632
01:31:50.220 --> 01:31:53.619
of other things, including, if we're okay for time, Steve,
1633
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:59.310
I hope we are, including the... The cars in the
1634
01:31:59.369 --> 01:32:01.829
compound at the back that were waiting to be repaired
1635
01:32:02.130 --> 01:32:04.109
and the fact that they took batteries out of the
1636
01:32:04.189 --> 01:32:07.670
cars so that they didn't get stolen and the radio's
1637
01:32:07.729 --> 01:32:10.289
playing in the cars on a night and somebody who
1638
01:32:10.710 --> 01:32:14.189
was using the caravan breaking yard as a home, that
1639
01:32:14.210 --> 01:32:18.340
you were actually staying there, falling out with the boss saying,
1640
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.779
you know, can you stop the horns bipping on a
1641
01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.460
night and the radio's playing on a night because it's
1642
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.569
driving me mad. And all of this excited, this poltergeist
1643
01:32:27.609 --> 01:32:31.399
type activity. So I got all of the story from
1644
01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:35.159
the boss. And then I asked him about the UFO.
1645
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:39.579
And he admitted that he'd seen the UFO. He'd seen
1646
01:32:39.779 --> 01:32:43.689
one being outside of the UFO. And then my last
1647
01:32:43.729 --> 01:32:46.350
question was, and Andrew said that he saw you walking
1648
01:32:47.029 --> 01:32:49.369
down to it. And he said he'd got no recollection
1649
01:32:49.409 --> 01:32:52.159
of that. None at all. And I've no reason to
1650
01:32:52.220 --> 01:32:54.340
disbelieve him, but that's what he told me. And then
1651
01:32:54.380 --> 01:32:56.920
he walked to the front of the building and incredibly,
1652
01:32:57.500 --> 01:33:00.760
he was grabbed by military personnel dressed in head to
1653
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:05.289
toe in black, including the faces covered and dropped to
1654
01:33:05.329 --> 01:33:08.069
the floor. So that is Humminbee. We've got one more
1655
01:33:08.130 --> 01:33:11.289
element to go with this, Steve. Dave's mum and dad,
1656
01:33:11.369 --> 01:33:15.380
who used to visit every night, drove to see their
1657
01:33:15.489 --> 01:33:18.199
son and the two guys in the compound and was
1658
01:33:18.380 --> 01:33:22.449
stopped on the road by a military roadblock. But when
1659
01:33:22.470 --> 01:33:25.569
we say military, everything was black, black Land Rovers, black vans.
1660
01:33:25.810 --> 01:33:28.890
They were removed from the vehicle, dragged into the back
1661
01:33:28.930 --> 01:33:33.970
of the van, shown pictures and evidence that, that showed
1662
01:33:34.010 --> 01:33:36.930
them that they knew everything about them. All they were
1663
01:33:36.989 --> 01:33:40.569
about everything told them not to talk about anything that
1664
01:33:40.590 --> 01:33:44.220
they're going to be told, keep the mouth shut, basically
1665
01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:49.359
frightened them to death. And, uh, I've really condensed Hum
1666
01:33:49.420 --> 01:33:52.020
and Bee because I've been on a few podcasts and
1667
01:33:52.060 --> 01:33:54.609
spent two hours just talking about Hum and Bee. So
1668
01:33:54.649 --> 01:33:58.170
I hope that's given your listeners the story in a
1669
01:33:58.229 --> 01:33:59.430
condensed form, Steve.
1670
01:34:00.010 --> 01:34:01.310
No, that's brilliant.
1671
01:34:01.810 --> 01:34:04.250
And even condensed, you've got all the details in there.
1672
01:34:04.270 --> 01:34:07.260
And I just have to say your recall is amazing.
1673
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:11.340
Thank you. And we can carry on, Steve, if you want. Or,
1674
01:34:12.539 --> 01:34:14.899
you know, I've got loads to tell.
1675
01:34:15.609 --> 01:34:18.270
Yeah, just pick a story and go with it. Like
1676
01:34:18.289 --> 01:34:19.789
I said, I'm loving all these and I'm sure my
1677
01:34:19.829 --> 01:34:20.680
listeners will too.
1678
01:34:21.140 --> 01:34:23.779
Well, let's just jump back to the clifftops of Bempton
1679
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:26.739
and Speighton, which are three to four miles from where
1680
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.840
I live and where I do most of my research.
1681
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:33.260
And I've called this the three para werewolf because it
1682
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:40.439
was two military guys, obviously former soldiers. who'd gone on
1683
01:34:40.770 --> 01:34:44.430
February the 7th, 2019, to Bempton Cliffs. There's a huge
1684
01:34:44.489 --> 01:34:49.369
seabird colony there, biggest gannet population in the United Kingdom,
1685
01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:52.109
and lots of people go. But they'd gone to do
1686
01:34:52.130 --> 01:34:55.430
a bit of wild camping, and they're keen bird enthusiasts,
1687
01:34:55.470 --> 01:34:57.930
and they wanted to see the peregrine falcons, which are
1688
01:34:57.970 --> 01:35:01.149
up there as well, in full flight early the next morning.
1689
01:35:01.850 --> 01:35:05.489
So they arrive late, and they intend doing a late-night
1690
01:35:05.529 --> 01:35:09.130
walk on the clifftops as part of this adventure. They've
1691
01:35:09.189 --> 01:35:13.399
both done tours overseas and seen conflict. So that kind
1692
01:35:13.449 --> 01:35:15.380
of figures in what I'm going to tell you. And
1693
01:35:15.409 --> 01:35:18.720
the first thing that Rob says to me, and I'm
1694
01:35:18.739 --> 01:35:21.100
not going to name the other one, but I've spoke
1695
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:23.560
to Rob extensively and he's allowed me to record him.
1696
01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:27.180
I always say that because sometimes I'll play these recordings
1697
01:35:27.220 --> 01:35:29.539
if I've got them to hand. He said, the air,
1698
01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:31.199
he said, I need to tell you now, the air
1699
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:34.750
was electric. He said, it absolutely was. bristling he said
1700
01:35:35.109 --> 01:35:37.810
we should have known we should have known then that
1701
01:35:37.890 --> 01:35:41.529
something was wrong now there's nothing here people there's a
1702
01:35:41.550 --> 01:35:44.449
visitor centre for the seabird colony but on a night
1703
01:35:44.489 --> 01:35:47.380
there's nothing you've got no street lights you've got no
1704
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.899
houses no habitation it's on the edge of 300 foot
1705
01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:54.500
sheer cliffs to the North Sea and farmland behind it
1706
01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:57.760
so nothing so we're walking down we took our two
1707
01:35:57.819 --> 01:36:01.970
dogs with us it's fenced off with three bar fence
1708
01:36:02.090 --> 01:36:04.100
down the side of the cliffs He says, and we
1709
01:36:04.149 --> 01:36:06.729
shone the light and we lit a pair of yellow
1710
01:36:06.869 --> 01:36:10.090
eyes up. He said, we're familiar with deer and fox
1711
01:36:10.170 --> 01:36:14.250
and badger. These were big eyes and they just kind
1712
01:36:14.329 --> 01:36:17.520
of lazily looked away from us. They didn't seem startled.
1713
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.739
He said, I looked at my mate and I said,
1714
01:36:20.779 --> 01:36:23.039
what the F? You know, what could that be? So
1715
01:36:23.779 --> 01:36:26.079
we carried on walking and we're walking down. He said,
1716
01:36:26.100 --> 01:36:28.119
and all the time, he says, the unusual thing is
1717
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.439
the dogs are by our sides. They're not They're not
1718
01:36:31.739 --> 01:36:34.239
trying to just wander off and sniff around in the darkness.
1719
01:36:34.279 --> 01:36:36.460
They're tight to us. So then we come to a
1720
01:36:36.500 --> 01:36:39.380
viewing platform and we stand on that looking out to sea.
1721
01:36:39.779 --> 01:36:41.659
And then we shunt torch in line. We lit the
1722
01:36:41.739 --> 01:36:45.550
eyes up again, a little bit closer. He said, we
1723
01:36:45.590 --> 01:36:48.050
should have known something weren't right. So then we carried
1724
01:36:48.109 --> 01:36:50.430
on walking and we come to two gate posts. Well,
1725
01:36:50.649 --> 01:36:53.409
they're not actually gate posts, people. It's a style that's
1726
01:36:53.449 --> 01:36:55.949
had the middle bit removed. So you've got these big
1727
01:36:56.869 --> 01:37:00.090
sort of eight by eight pieces. Pieces of wood sunk
1728
01:37:00.149 --> 01:37:02.170
into the ground. He said, we went through these posts.
1729
01:37:02.489 --> 01:37:04.869
And they said, and about 12 foot in front of us,
1730
01:37:04.909 --> 01:37:07.189
we shone the light. And he said, I haven't got
1731
01:37:07.220 --> 01:37:09.619
a point of reference for what I was looking at.
1732
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:13.699
He says, the dogs were terrified. He said, and this
1733
01:37:13.739 --> 01:37:16.500
thing was hunkered down. He said, I thought it was
1734
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:18.800
a hyena at first. He said, and I'm looking at
1735
01:37:18.819 --> 01:37:22.510
this thing. He said, and we just can't move. He said,
1736
01:37:22.529 --> 01:37:25.100
and then it stood up. And I can hear him
1737
01:37:25.140 --> 01:37:27.899
now saying it stood up on two legs. He said
1738
01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:31.220
it's got a really freaky thing. He said it had
1739
01:37:31.390 --> 01:37:33.850
one arm under its chest and it had clavicles. I
1740
01:37:33.930 --> 01:37:36.409
always ask this. Did it have the rib cage and
1741
01:37:36.449 --> 01:37:39.909
the bone structure of a dog or a human? And
1742
01:37:39.949 --> 01:37:43.310
it had clavicles. It had a chest like a human would.
1743
01:37:43.649 --> 01:37:46.029
He said it had one hand under its chest and
1744
01:37:46.090 --> 01:37:49.369
its finger was to the side, not to them, where
1745
01:37:49.409 --> 01:37:52.010
you would wave your finger and sort of go, come
1746
01:37:52.050 --> 01:37:54.649
here and beckon. but it were doing it to the side.
1747
01:37:55.210 --> 01:37:57.329
He says, and we fixed on it. He said, my
1748
01:37:57.369 --> 01:37:59.890
friend in the end hit me on the side and
1749
01:37:59.930 --> 01:38:04.239
we slowly backed away. And within feet of this thing,
1750
01:38:04.619 --> 01:38:06.760
you know, within eight to 10 feet of this thing,
1751
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:09.600
he said, we got in our vehicles and we did
1752
01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:12.119
a runner and we did not come. I'll never come back.
1753
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.939
He said, I'll never be back. He contacted me a lot,
1754
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.420
probably like a lot of your accounts. The way that
1755
01:38:18.460 --> 01:38:22.649
they come is that people are listening for, clues and
1756
01:38:23.210 --> 01:38:25.699
explanations to what they've seen themselves and he'd heard me
1757
01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:28.750
talking about some of the werewolf accounts from the Broxah
1758
01:38:28.789 --> 01:38:31.770
forest which is not far away. And that's why this
1759
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:35.600
guy contacted me. But what's interesting, Steve, what's fascinating about this?
1760
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:42.239
It was February the 7th, 2019. On February the 8th, 2020,
1761
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.699
I went to the clifftops and I was about 500
1762
01:38:44.699 --> 01:38:47.300
yards from that location. And I went with an old
1763
01:38:47.479 --> 01:38:50.180
guy called Bob Brown, a good friend of mine. And
1764
01:38:50.500 --> 01:38:53.140
one of my daughters, Gemma, who was no interest really
1765
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.239
in the paranormal, but she was staying with us till
1766
01:38:55.260 --> 01:38:58.359
she moved house. And there were two choices. She could
1767
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:00.819
either sit at home and watch TV soaps with her mum,
1768
01:39:01.779 --> 01:39:03.760
or she jumped in car with me and Bob and
1769
01:39:03.779 --> 01:39:06.939
went to Clifftops. And that's what she chose. I'm setting
1770
01:39:07.010 --> 01:39:10.319
cameras up on the edge of the Clifftops, expensive cameras.
1771
01:39:10.390 --> 01:39:12.069
I've took them everywhere with me and I put a
1772
01:39:12.109 --> 01:39:14.409
heavy sheet over because there's loads of moisture in the air.
1773
01:39:15.189 --> 01:39:17.010
And I'm doing that. And I heard Gemma and Bob
1774
01:39:17.050 --> 01:39:19.010
and Gemma's going, what's that, Bob? What is it? And
1775
01:39:19.470 --> 01:39:22.050
They shined the torch and I didn't see it, but
1776
01:39:22.149 --> 01:39:25.029
they both claimed that they'd lit a square, a glowing
1777
01:39:25.170 --> 01:39:29.399
square of white light up on this hillside, about probably
1778
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:33.899
80 yards away. By the time I'd turned around, they'd
1779
01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.619
become even more animated because when they lit it up,
1780
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:40.079
it dropped to the floor and vanished. I went straight
1781
01:39:40.140 --> 01:39:42.829
up to the area of the hillside. Remember, this is
1782
01:39:43.050 --> 01:39:48.100
approximately a year after the paratroopers had their encounter. and
1783
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:51.090
within 500 yards of their encounter. So this is a
1784
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:54.949
year later. Theirs was February 7th. I was there February 8th.
1785
01:39:55.270 --> 01:39:59.630
There was nothing there. Later that night, we go home.
1786
01:40:01.250 --> 01:40:04.819
I set those cameras up, Steve, probably four or five
1787
01:40:04.859 --> 01:40:08.119
times a week, and you can guarantee 99.9% of the
1788
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:11.680
time they don't get used. As you know, unexplained phenomena
1789
01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:15.920
does not present to order. So we went home. Gemma
1790
01:40:16.010 --> 01:40:20.359
stayed up and watched TV. My wife, Mary, went to bed.
1791
01:40:20.699 --> 01:40:26.760
When I get up the next morning, Steve, apologies, people.
1792
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:28.619
My wife's just brought me a nice cup of tea.
1793
01:40:28.859 --> 01:40:31.579
Thank you, Mary. When I get up the next morning,
1794
01:40:33.579 --> 01:40:35.970
Gemma says, I nearly called you last night, Dad. I
1795
01:40:35.979 --> 01:40:38.390
nearly woke you up. I said, why? She said, I
1796
01:40:38.430 --> 01:40:41.789
was terrified. I said, what do you mean, Gemma? She said, well,
1797
01:40:41.810 --> 01:40:43.729
I was watching TV. And I tell you, the film even.
1798
01:40:43.770 --> 01:40:46.529
She was watching Prison Break. I think it was Sylvester Stallone's.
1799
01:40:46.590 --> 01:40:49.619
And it went after 12. And this room, we call
1800
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:51.539
it the little snug room. It's got a room either
1801
01:40:51.579 --> 01:40:53.779
side of it. And there's a brick wall behind it
1802
01:40:53.939 --> 01:40:56.899
that's adjoined to our property, no others. I'm saying that
1803
01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.680
to try and cancel out what she heard. She said,
1804
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:03.079
I suddenly heard a noise. She said, like thunder. And
1805
01:41:03.100 --> 01:41:05.979
I turned the TV down. She said, and right behind me,
1806
01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:10.039
right on my shoulder or back of my head, something
1807
01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:13.239
started to growl. She said, and I could feel like
1808
01:41:13.270 --> 01:41:15.689
when you go to a rock concert. I could feel
1809
01:41:15.930 --> 01:41:21.680
all my organs inside. reverberating. I think she said vibrating,
1810
01:41:21.699 --> 01:41:24.659
but I'm adding the word reverberating here, guys. She said,
1811
01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:29.340
it was terrifying, Dad. I was absolutely terrified. And just
1812
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:33.390
like you've heard people talk about Skinwalker and bringing back attachments,
1813
01:41:33.899 --> 01:41:38.750
I believe that Gemma, that night, took something back with
1814
01:41:38.829 --> 01:41:42.489
her from those clifftops. You know, I know it's all
1815
01:41:42.569 --> 01:41:45.250
open for debate and I know that there'll be people
1816
01:41:45.270 --> 01:41:48.840
from a scientific background and people from academia and people
1817
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:51.899
want to find explanations for what i talk about steve
1818
01:41:51.930 --> 01:41:53.909
for what you talk about but unfortunately it must be
1819
01:41:53.949 --> 01:41:56.829
frustrating for them because so far they've not found any
1820
01:41:57.109 --> 01:42:00.970
and the reports keep coming so i can go on
1821
01:42:01.010 --> 01:42:02.850
and on steve it's entirely up to you i just
1822
01:42:03.149 --> 01:42:05.039
uh i've got a wealth of these things.
1823
01:42:04.909 --> 01:42:07.960
Yeah i'm loving this and that that low guttural growl
1824
01:42:07.979 --> 01:42:09.600
i mean if it's enough that you can feel it
1825
01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.180
that's that's something that's not you know a tv or
1826
01:42:12.279 --> 01:42:15.270
radio or It would have been so loud, everybody in
1827
01:42:15.310 --> 01:42:16.449
the neighborhood would have heard it.
1828
01:42:16.890 --> 01:42:19.789
Well, she said that. She can't believe I didn't hear it. Now,
1829
01:42:20.109 --> 01:42:23.260
you know, if we stay on that hillside and, you know,
1830
01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:29.279
certain locations within the zones of high strangeness produce even
1831
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.399
more of a, it's almost like the best part of
1832
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:36.390
a meal. You know what I mean? They're more prolific
1833
01:42:36.449 --> 01:42:39.829
and more rich in the phenomena. And this hillside back
1834
01:42:39.890 --> 01:42:44.460
in 1998, and it's interesting that I've just been talking
1835
01:42:44.500 --> 01:42:47.579
about 1998 with the landed UFO, but that was August.
1836
01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:52.039
Back in November of 1998, the same hillside we've just
1837
01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:55.520
discussed with the square of light that Gemma and Bob
1838
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.930
Brown saw, a group of rock anglers saw a spaceship land.
1839
01:43:00.689 --> 01:43:03.229
So how did I get this account? I'm up on
1840
01:43:03.250 --> 01:43:06.510
the clifftops late one night, same guy, Bob Brown, and
1841
01:43:06.529 --> 01:43:10.289
there's a group of fishermen up on those clifftops. These guys, people,
1842
01:43:10.350 --> 01:43:14.930
the cliffs range from 200 feet, to 420 at their
1843
01:43:15.189 --> 01:43:18.770
tallest and it's sheer rock face. And they fish off
1844
01:43:18.810 --> 01:43:21.550
the top down into the North Sea, believe it or not.
1845
01:43:21.649 --> 01:43:24.020
And they managed to catch cod and all sorts and
1846
01:43:24.100 --> 01:43:28.239
pull them up these cliffs. So we're up there on
1847
01:43:28.260 --> 01:43:30.380
the cliff tops one night and we see a rock angler,
1848
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.260
an only rock angler with his headlight on. And we
1849
01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:36.239
sat in the darkness. And I don't know, half an hour,
1850
01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:39.479
an hour later, because they only fish tide dependent and
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the tide must have been receding. So they'd had enough.
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01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:43.239
And he's walking up. And I said to Bob, I said,
1853
01:43:43.260 --> 01:43:44.770
when he gets a bit closer, because I don't want
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01:43:44.779 --> 01:43:46.859
to startle him, I'm going to put a light on.
1855
01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:49.710
And that's exactly what I did. And this rock angler
1856
01:43:49.729 --> 01:43:51.890
sort of pulled up alongside of us with his fishing
1857
01:43:51.930 --> 01:43:54.670
rod and his bait. And this will be, I don't know,
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01:43:55.250 --> 01:43:58.180
four or five years ago. lads, what are you up to?
1859
01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:00.119
And I told him, he says, oh, you're Paul, aren't you?
1860
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:02.640
Because so few of them have shared their accounts with me.
1861
01:44:02.659 --> 01:44:05.659
I said, yeah, this guy's called Mick Sigson, quite an
1862
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.810
old guy. He told me he's fished the clifftops. Back then,
1863
01:44:08.819 --> 01:44:11.609
he said, for 49 years, man and boy, he said.
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01:44:12.390 --> 01:44:14.050
I said, oh, I said, you'll have seen some unusual
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01:44:14.090 --> 01:44:17.270
things then, Mick. He said, well, I have, yeah. I said,
1866
01:44:17.289 --> 01:44:19.510
have you seen the strange spheres of light that I'm
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01:44:19.569 --> 01:44:22.489
trying to film tonight that appear? He said he hadn't
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01:44:22.550 --> 01:44:25.369
seen them. It's fair. And he said, but I have
1869
01:44:25.449 --> 01:44:29.789
seen a spaceship. his exact words. I said, really? He said, yeah.
1870
01:44:29.810 --> 01:44:31.729
He said, landed on that hill over there. And we
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01:44:31.770 --> 01:44:34.390
turned around the same hill where Jammer and Bob saw
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01:44:34.409 --> 01:44:36.189
the square of white light. I said, really?
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01:44:36.210 --> 01:44:36.590
He said, yeah.
1874
01:44:36.609 --> 01:44:37.949
He said it landed on that hill. I said, he
1875
01:44:37.989 --> 01:44:41.420
said it were a club match, a fishing match in November, 1998.
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01:44:41.420 --> 01:44:45.380
I'd already been told this story by the son of
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01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:47.739
one of the fishermen, but I never included it in
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01:44:47.779 --> 01:44:50.399
anything because it wasn't a first-hand account. And I like
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01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:54.180
first-hand accounts. So I kind of knew what were coming. And, and, uh,
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01:44:55.189 --> 01:44:56.979
He said, yeah, he said, I were fishing and they
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01:44:57.010 --> 01:44:59.649
don't fish together on the cliff tops. There'll be two
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01:44:59.710 --> 01:45:02.529
to three hundred yards apart. There's no, you know, and
1883
01:45:02.550 --> 01:45:04.829
there might only be eight or nine men from the
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01:45:04.890 --> 01:45:07.250
from a fishing club. He said, I turned around, he said,
1885
01:45:07.289 --> 01:45:10.250
and I thought, what's a combined harvester doing up there
1886
01:45:10.289 --> 01:45:12.189
at this time of year? He says, and then I
1887
01:45:12.210 --> 01:45:14.449
realized I can see the land and I can see
1888
01:45:14.729 --> 01:45:17.260
what I thought was the combined harvester. But I can
1889
01:45:17.300 --> 01:45:20.680
see sky, a gap of sky between them. I thought
1890
01:45:20.699 --> 01:45:23.479
he said, bloody, yeah, because there's no other. That's the
1891
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:25.909
highest point. There's no other hills behind that. So we're
1892
01:45:25.949 --> 01:45:28.449
not getting confused with a bit of mist or anything.
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01:45:28.930 --> 01:45:31.750
That hill is the highest point. He said, the next
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01:45:31.789 --> 01:45:35.050
thing I can hear some lads shouting and they've seen
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01:45:35.090 --> 01:45:37.369
it and shouting, look at that. What's that? He said,
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01:45:37.390 --> 01:45:39.909
and it slowly starts to come down on the hill.
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01:45:40.310 --> 01:45:42.970
He said, and before it lands, there's all sparks coming
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01:45:43.010 --> 01:45:45.739
off the ground. Then it lands and a circle of
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01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:48.760
flames just goes straight around it. I said, what did
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01:45:48.779 --> 01:45:50.880
you do? He said, I packed my gear up where
1901
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.859
I could. He says, and I ran. He says, and
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01:45:52.939 --> 01:45:54.699
other lads did. Some of them left the gear. Well,
1903
01:45:54.739 --> 01:45:56.939
I had already been told this, as I said previously,
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01:45:56.979 --> 01:45:59.010
by the son of one of the fishermen. And he
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01:45:59.050 --> 01:46:02.050
said his dad left all his fishing tackle on the
1906
01:46:02.090 --> 01:46:05.729
clifftops and ran and came back the next morning to
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01:46:05.770 --> 01:46:08.909
collect his gear. So that's 1998. And this hill, this
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01:46:09.090 --> 01:46:16.229
sort of hub of activity, has been the place where
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01:46:16.289 --> 01:46:19.770
I had what I would consider to be my most
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01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:24.039
incredible sighting, apart from my own experiences in childhood, but
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01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:29.779
my most incredible sighting up there. And the date, gosh,
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01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:34.460
the date would be November once again, November, come on, Paul,
1913
01:46:34.699 --> 01:46:39.020
November the 14th, 2019. And a guy, a good friend
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01:46:39.060 --> 01:46:42.159
of mine called Lee Haywood, who'd heard me talking about
1915
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:46.319
what I call the ILFs, the intelligent light forms. That's
1916
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.630
the word I've used for them, Steve, or I call them.
1917
01:46:50.989 --> 01:46:53.229
I like that. You've coined a term there.
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01:46:53.670 --> 01:46:56.409
Well, I have done for years, Steve. So, I mean,
1919
01:46:56.430 --> 01:46:58.250
feel free to quote me, but you'll not have heard
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01:46:58.289 --> 01:47:01.590
it come from anyone else's mouth. ILFs, intelligent light forms.
1921
01:47:01.609 --> 01:47:05.409
There's another one. When people talk about the Oz factor,
1922
01:47:05.449 --> 01:47:08.739
I call it the lower silence factor. you know, all
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01:47:08.779 --> 01:47:11.539
things I've just used in my books. But right, we'll
1924
01:47:11.579 --> 01:47:16.350
jump on to November the 14th, 2019. Lee Haywood, who
1925
01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:19.659
was a very, very switched on guy, very, very, really
1926
01:47:19.699 --> 01:47:24.170
intelligent man. And he's not a bad guy, but he
1927
01:47:24.210 --> 01:47:27.590
wanted to find an explanation for the lights I'd been filming.
1928
01:47:27.609 --> 01:47:30.170
And he thought we could find a conventional explanation. And
1929
01:47:30.829 --> 01:47:33.609
I'd got it wrong, basically. But I liked Lee because
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01:47:33.630 --> 01:47:37.380
he weren't saying it sarcastically or condescending. So, That night,
1931
01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:39.479
I picked him up and we drove to the Clifftops,
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01:47:39.729 --> 01:47:42.829
November the 14th. And it's quite a long story, this one,
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01:47:42.850 --> 01:47:45.130
but we'll go with it. We're driving up Cliff Lane,
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01:47:45.149 --> 01:47:47.270
which is the only road to the Clifftops. It's just
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01:47:47.329 --> 01:47:48.930
under a mile long. And at the end of it,
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01:47:48.949 --> 01:47:51.130
you've got the visitor centre and you've got nothing else
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01:47:51.149 --> 01:47:54.069
for miles around, as I've said previously. He says, come
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01:47:54.109 --> 01:47:56.100
on then, Paul, describe the lights. What do they look like?
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01:47:56.729 --> 01:47:59.399
And as I'm talking to him, out over the sea,
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01:47:59.920 --> 01:48:04.350
an orange light appears. Doesn't fly from anywhere. And I've
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01:48:04.390 --> 01:48:07.020
got four girls and people might frown on people for
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01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:09.020
saying this, but it's the truth. This is on my
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01:48:09.060 --> 01:48:11.279
girl's life. That's how it happened. I said like that.
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01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.149
I said like that. And he looked and he never
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01:48:14.189 --> 01:48:16.869
said anything. And then it just switched off. So we
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01:48:16.890 --> 01:48:18.939
got to the cliff, park the car walked down to
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01:48:18.949 --> 01:48:22.340
the cliff tops paul has in myself set the cameras
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01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:25.100
up as i've described i do put some heavy cloths
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01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:27.380
over them because of the moisture and we begin to
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01:48:27.479 --> 01:48:30.180
talk and over the course of that night and i'm
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01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:33.100
sure these things present for certain people and i'm sure
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01:48:33.140 --> 01:48:37.060
it were for lee they they they presented I think
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01:48:37.100 --> 01:48:39.819
it was three times at various times. And we'd see them.
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01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:42.659
You'd see one appear. And they almost look like tangerines,
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01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:46.619
the little oranges. And they're not emitting light. That's the thing.
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01:48:46.659 --> 01:48:50.279
They're vibrant. They're bright. So what do I mean by that?
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01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:53.199
They're not illuminating the area around them. So if it
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01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:55.710
was a flare, the whole idea of a flare, people,
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01:48:55.770 --> 01:48:58.630
is to illuminate the sky around them or the ground
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so that they can see a boat in distress or
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01:49:01.470 --> 01:49:04.630
someone who's missing. These things don't emit light, but they
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01:49:04.670 --> 01:49:07.649
are bright. So one would light up. It doesn't fly
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01:49:07.689 --> 01:49:11.869
from nowhere. Bang, bang, bang. It lights into three. By
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01:49:11.909 --> 01:49:14.430
the time you've switched the camera on and pulled it round,
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because I haven't got the luxury of having some office
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01:49:17.149 --> 01:49:18.939
up there where I can have cameras running all the time,
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01:49:19.180 --> 01:49:22.779
they've switched off. They've gone. And that's what were happening.
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So I started talking to Lee then. You know, we're
1969
01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:28.319
talking about various things. He's baffled. He's admitted he doesn't
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01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:30.810
know what they are. Lee's gone armed. He's gone armed.
1971
01:49:30.819 --> 01:49:33.130
We will aircraft are in the sky. What? No Tams
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01:49:33.170 --> 01:49:35.640
are on as in military exercises. You can even tell
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01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:38.159
you names of the boats out at sea. And from
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01:49:38.180 --> 01:49:40.500
the altitude we were at, I could tell Lee that
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01:49:40.520 --> 01:49:43.119
we were looking at, I think it was 17 miles
1976
01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:47.539
to the horizon from the altitude of approximately 280-foot cliffs.
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01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:51.310
So we were armed with the information. I turned around
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01:49:51.829 --> 01:49:55.029
to speak to Lee, and he obviously stood behind me.
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01:49:55.770 --> 01:49:59.149
And I'm just absolutely stunned by what I see, because
1980
01:49:59.189 --> 01:50:01.689
just below the brow of the hill, which we've just
1981
01:50:01.729 --> 01:50:06.609
been talking about, is the most... massive ball of orange light.
1982
01:50:07.689 --> 01:50:11.310
And I'm swearing, apologies people, but I was, and I
1983
01:50:11.390 --> 01:50:13.630
pulled the camera around, ripped the cover off it, turned
1984
01:50:13.670 --> 01:50:16.979
it on. Lee's looking at it, and as I'm... This
1985
01:50:17.020 --> 01:50:20.399
camera's going to take you to Sony NX8... Yeah, NX80.
1986
01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:22.979
You know, they're not the most expensive camera, but you're
1987
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:24.979
still looking at a few thousand pounds off the camera.
1988
01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:28.279
Takes a few seconds to start up. As I'm doing that,
1989
01:50:28.420 --> 01:50:33.630
it's just imploded and gone. It's disappeared. Lee described the...
1990
01:50:34.590 --> 01:50:37.310
the influence the light was giving off as the size
1991
01:50:37.329 --> 01:50:42.369
of a Volkswagen vehicle. It was huge. It was below
1992
01:50:42.409 --> 01:50:44.350
the brow of the hills, and we're in that field
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01:50:44.789 --> 01:50:46.289
on the edge of the clifftops. It was in the
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01:50:46.369 --> 01:50:49.720
field with us. But this story doesn't end there, Steve.
1995
01:50:49.729 --> 01:50:51.649
And if I have time, I'd like to just elaborate
1996
01:50:51.689 --> 01:50:53.920
and go on a little bit further. Is that okay with.
1997
01:50:53.779 --> 01:50:55.079
You, Steve? Please continue.
1998
01:50:55.859 --> 01:51:01.399
So this is me relaying mine and Lee's sighting of
1999
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:06.899
November the 14th, 2019. Now let's jump forward to COVID
2000
01:51:06.979 --> 01:51:10.000
and it relates to this story. So there's a lockdown.
2001
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.479
People can't go out, allegedly, and, you know, the country's
2002
01:51:14.130 --> 01:51:18.189
sort of on hold. And I decide that I'm going
2003
01:51:18.210 --> 01:51:20.310
to contact one of the local farmers I know and
2004
01:51:20.369 --> 01:51:24.170
see whether we can walk across his farmland, which adjoins
2005
01:51:24.229 --> 01:51:28.779
the clifftops, lower down than where many people would go,
2006
01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:31.539
and set the cameras up and observe the sea. And
2007
01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:33.819
I was going to take Bob Brown with me. And Bob,
2008
01:51:34.420 --> 01:51:37.100
we have some flats and Bob lives in our top flat.
2009
01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:40.590
So it's not like we were breaking any rules. Uh,
2010
01:51:40.710 --> 01:51:43.930
so fair enough. Me and Bob go down. It's late evening.
2011
01:51:43.989 --> 01:51:47.289
It's not quite dark. And this is during COVID. Set
2012
01:51:47.310 --> 01:51:49.210
the cameras up. And whilst we're down there and it
2013
01:51:49.510 --> 01:51:52.560
will relate to 2019 people. So please bear with me.
2014
01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:56.020
So while we're down there, this man walks down the
2015
01:51:56.060 --> 01:51:58.340
same path as us and he's got a gun dog
2016
01:51:58.380 --> 01:52:03.100
with him, a pointer dog, pointer gun dog. And, uh, Evening, lads,
2017
01:52:03.140 --> 01:52:06.020
having a nice relaxing time. Words to that effect, he
2018
01:52:06.060 --> 01:52:07.479
says to us. And we say, yeah, he said, are
2019
01:52:07.500 --> 01:52:10.189
you looking for the seabirds? And I just nod. I'm
2020
01:52:10.229 --> 01:52:12.909
not telling him we're looking for UFOs or anything unusual,
2021
01:52:13.369 --> 01:52:16.630
because usually kind of conversations lead into a bit of sarcasm.
2022
01:52:17.550 --> 01:52:21.010
We've all experienced it. So he wanders off. Just under
2023
01:52:21.029 --> 01:52:24.060
an hour later, he comes back. But it's now dark
2024
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:27.000
and we're still sat there. So he knows we're not
2025
01:52:27.020 --> 01:52:29.680
looking at seabirds. So he asks us what we're doing.
2026
01:52:30.060 --> 01:52:31.939
So I tell him I'm trying to film these lights.
2027
01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.840
Hopefully I'm open to, you know, get them on film.
2028
01:52:34.859 --> 01:52:37.500
And he explains to me that he lived about three
2029
01:52:37.539 --> 01:52:41.250
miles away in a village called Reton. And if you've
2030
01:52:41.270 --> 01:52:44.270
heard me speak earlier, there's another village called Speeton. They're
2031
01:52:44.289 --> 01:52:46.329
next to each other. There's just an R and an
2032
01:52:46.630 --> 01:52:49.869
S that's different in the names. So he lived at Reton,
2033
01:52:49.949 --> 01:52:51.869
just in case people, you think I've got it wrong.
2034
01:52:52.760 --> 01:52:54.979
He said, and I've lived there for years and years
2035
01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:56.859
and I've got windows that look out onto the sea
2036
01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:00.359
and I've never seen these lights. Fair enough. OK, that's
2037
01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.250
not a problem. So he said, OK, then, lads, enjoy
2038
01:53:03.289 --> 01:53:05.829
your night. And he just sets off to walk away
2039
01:53:05.869 --> 01:53:09.770
into the darkness. And Bob Brown says to him, hold on, mate, mate.
2040
01:53:09.789 --> 01:53:12.750
He says, have you seen any unusual animals? He says, well,
2041
01:53:12.770 --> 01:53:14.949
what do you mean? So what we do if we
2042
01:53:15.010 --> 01:53:17.470
talk about the unusual animals, we know that there's been
2043
01:53:17.510 --> 01:53:20.310
a big black cat seen up there, which aren't native
2044
01:53:20.350 --> 01:53:22.430
to the UK. So Bob said, well, there's been a
2045
01:53:22.449 --> 01:53:24.930
big black cat seen. You haven't seen that, have you?
2046
01:53:24.970 --> 01:53:27.260
He said, because that's been seen around here. So he
2047
01:53:27.300 --> 01:53:29.800
comes back, he tells his dog to sit down. He says, look,
2048
01:53:29.819 --> 01:53:32.699
I'm going to tell you something now. He said, and
2049
01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:35.520
I've not even told my wife. He said, no, I
2050
01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:39.109
haven't seen the cat. He said, but I didn't expect
2051
01:53:39.149 --> 01:53:43.369
to have many talking about UFOs and strange things tonight.
2052
01:53:44.090 --> 01:53:45.600
He said, well, I'm going to share this story with you.
2053
01:53:45.609 --> 01:53:48.449
I'm going to tell you something. He said, it was
2054
01:53:48.489 --> 01:53:52.729
from 2019. And he said, I decided to take my
2055
01:53:52.770 --> 01:53:56.090
dog for a walk on the beach at Reton. You
2056
01:53:56.130 --> 01:53:59.029
can walk right to Speighton from this beach. Speighton then
2057
01:53:59.069 --> 01:54:01.130
is about two miles from where we were sat that
2058
01:54:01.210 --> 01:54:06.029
night during COVID. But obviously he's going back to 2019.
2059
01:54:06.029 --> 01:54:07.869
He said it was a lovely bright night. It was
2060
01:54:07.909 --> 01:54:11.649
a full moon and beautiful crystal clear night. He said,
2061
01:54:11.670 --> 01:54:13.529
I'm walking up the beach. He said, and he looked
2062
01:54:13.550 --> 01:54:14.850
down at his dog. I said, I'll tell you, this
2063
01:54:14.930 --> 01:54:18.250
dog's very clever. He said, I said, what do you mean?
2064
01:54:18.270 --> 01:54:20.869
He said, well, if he sees a rabbit, he has
2065
01:54:20.909 --> 01:54:24.090
a slightly different stance to if he sees a pheasant.
2066
01:54:24.899 --> 01:54:26.920
He said, and I actually know what he's looking at.
2067
01:54:26.979 --> 01:54:30.979
I can tell what kind of game he's actually smelt
2068
01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:34.079
or seen. He said, because I understand him. He said,
2069
01:54:34.100 --> 01:54:36.369
and he's a clever dog. He said, but he suddenly
2070
01:54:36.409 --> 01:54:42.489
starts looking up the cliffs. Now, the deepest cliffs are
2071
01:54:42.529 --> 01:54:46.380
at Speighton at 420 feet, but where he lived, they
2072
01:54:46.409 --> 01:54:49.630
start at a gradient of about 20 degrees north. and
2073
01:54:49.689 --> 01:54:53.300
slowly go 45, 45, and slowly go vertical. And he's
2074
01:54:53.350 --> 01:54:56.220
at about the 45 degree mark, and he's near a
2075
01:54:56.239 --> 01:55:00.140
place called Black Cliff, which is basically, it's all black clay,
2076
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and there's loads of stories attached to Black Cliff that
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we can do sometimes, Steve. But anyway, he said, I stopped,
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and I'm looking at my dog, and I'm thinking, what
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the blummin' heck, you're seeing, dog, because you're acting very peculiar.
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He said, I can see an animal halfway up the cliff.
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And I get my binoculars out my breast pocket, and I,
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and proceed to look up the cliff. And I don't
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know whether it's a big pony or a donkey. I
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can't work out what I'm looking at. He said, and
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suddenly it's as though it's seen me and it stands
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on two legs. And I can see in its shape
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and it's a dog. And he goes, it's a bloody dog.
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It's on two legs. It's lean. And he says, and
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this is funny because I've touched on this earlier tonight.
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He says, have you seen the werewolf from Harry Potter?
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So he says, well, that's what it was. That's exactly
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the outline that I saw. I said, what did it do?
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He said it turned and ran over the cliffs on
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two legs. So I got this amazing story off this
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guy that we never expected to get during COVID lockdown.
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And I went home, Googled the full moon in November 2019.
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And it was November the 12th. That is two days
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before myself and Lee Haywood So the huge sphere of light,
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November the 14th, 2019. We know it's not the exact day.
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I'd love it to fit and be the exact day, people,
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but it wasn't. But I mean, the time difference is
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minimal for me.
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It's still close enough in the grand scheme of things
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that have these encounters around the same time, years apart
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like that. Well, Paul, unfortunately, we've run out of time here.
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They only give me two hours. I could easily do
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another two hours with you. But with that said, I'd
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love for you to come back and tell us more
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Tales of the Unexplained.
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I would love to. It's been a pleasure, Steve, as always,
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and thank you very much, sir.
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Oh, thank you, sir.
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And in parting, let the audience know where they can
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find your channel, your books, your documentaries, anything else that
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you've got out there.
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Okay, thank you. Well, the documentary took us three years
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to make. It's called Wolfland, and it's all first-hand accounts
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and covering the areas I've spoken about, East and North Yorkshire,
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and it's on Amazon Prime. We're proud of Wolflands. It
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stayed in the top 100. It's only just gone out
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for over 12 weeks, competing against very high-end, high-budget films.
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The books can be obtained through my website, truthproof.uk, the
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paperback versions of the books. The Kindle books are on Amazon,
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and we run a live stream every Thursday, 7pm UK time,
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and that's the Truth Proof live stream. And Steve... It's
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been a pleasure. Thank you.
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No, the pleasure was all mine. Paul, you are a
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gentleman and a scholar, and I appreciate your time. I'll
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put links to all that in the show notes. But again,
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thank you, sir. I'm going to take us out of
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here now. Thanks, everybody, for listening. I'll see you next time.
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Have a good evening, everybody. I'm Steve Stockton. I'll see
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you a little further on down the trail. Tell your
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animals I said hi.
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Good night, everybody. Thank you.