STRANGE UK - England's Cryptids & Legends - Steve Stockton & Paul Sinclair from Truth Proof

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You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.
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Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you. Welcome once again
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to Everything out There. Joining me today on the phone
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all the way from across the pond, Paul Sinclair. You
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might know him from Truth Proof or one of the
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five books he's written, or two of the documentaries he's made.
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He's my guest today on Everything out There.
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Paul. How you doing.
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I'm good. Thank you, Steve, and thank you very much
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for inviting me to share a bit of information with
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yourself and your listeners. Thank you.
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Oh, you're one of the people that I admire. I've
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been on your show a couple of times and I
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thought I don't turn about spare player and wanted to
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have you on here and listen to you tell some
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stories and see the other way around.
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Well, I have no problem with that. It's when to
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shut Paul's clear up. Sometimes I've got to admit, but
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there's no shortage of information. A lot of it's my
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own well, yeah, my own research. Steve and our primarily
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do work here in the UK. If any of your
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listeners want to google these locations around east and at
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North Yorkshire in the United Kingdom. But the work does
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spread out, it does go out from there. But I'm
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a boot's on the ground type of person. A little
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bit about me if you want, Steve. Yeah, I'm sixty
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one years old. I have been involved within the subject
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of unexplained phenomena. And I say that with an a
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because I think there's you know, there's lots of things
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at play in not just one singular thing, just about
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all my life as long as I can remember. And
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one of my books, Night People, is about my own experiences.
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And when I packed in work, I'm quite fortunate that
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well I weren't. I worked very hard all my life
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and got myself into a position where I could pack
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in at age forty eight. And before your listeners think
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this guy's got loads of money, this guy hasn't. It
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just doesn't tell anybody a penny world, and I can manage.
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So I devote twenty four to seven to the research.
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You know, We've got four girls, they've all grown up
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and moved away that they're doing their own thing, and
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it's just me and my wife Mary, and it enables me.
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I absolutely love it, Steve. I mean, obviously life didn't
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allow me the luxury of researching like I do now
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in my younger years because I've got to forge a
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life for my wife and my family. But now that's
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what I do when I find myself all over the place.
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I find myself in forests with gamekeepers, in forests with
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experiences out on remote cliff tops, with people who've had
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strange sightings of an unexplained nature, not just UFO related,
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CRYPTID related, sometimes even ghostly. And I think the thing is,
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Steve know and you probably have come across this yourself,
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with all the work that you've done and all the
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accounts that you've heard, you realize that there's a there's
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common threads running through it all. It's it is all linked,
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just because we might not know how it's linked.
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Absolutely conversation with several people, there's there's a connection.
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There, And yeah, there's a connection, Steve, And I think
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there's a movement within the within the researchers with and
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we're all researchers, your listeners are researchers because some people
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might sit there in silence, but you're searching for answers
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to your own your own puzzle, your own things that
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have happened to you in your life and why not
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that that makes you just as valid as myself and
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Steve and a host of other people. And there's a
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there's a movement definitely that people are realizing that the
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UFO researchers of I would say yesterday, and no disrespect
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to these guys, but they wouldn't think out of the box.
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Just I would imagine like the cryptid researchers. You know,
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So if you've got a guy there who's and I'll
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get to some accounts shortlisted, you just stop me when
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you want. But you know, if you've got a guy
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who's looking for some kind of undiscovered bipedal ape type
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creature in the forests and the remote and remote woodlands,
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and he gets a report in that says, you know,
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I've seen this thing. I came across this terrifying thing,
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or you know, it was observing us, and then throws
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into the report another odd thing but probably not connected,
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is there were some strange lights in the forest and
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I can't understand that. And the research, as many of them,
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will omit that part of the report because it doesn't
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conform with what they believe a big photo where wolf
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stroke dog man type report should have in it. And
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I think we're doing a massive dis justice or injustice
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to the research and advancing it because there's clearly a link.
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If time and time again, these things, these types of
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phenomena are report alongside the main body of the phenomena
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for the researcher beat UFOs, cryptids, ghosts, you know, and
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I've seen a movement away from it, and I've seen
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that people are starting to realize that this is multi
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phenomena research, you know, and it's it's quite evident, you know.
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I've got I've got stories. I've got one in front
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of front of me which i've been working on and
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I've called it. It's from two thousand and seven, Steve,
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would you like me to relay this?
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Oh? Absolutely, yeah.
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I've called it the light Forms and the Deer. And
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when when one of our girls, our Laura, our youngest daughter,
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was getting married, a lady visited our house and who
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was adjusting her wedding dress and you know, I should imagine, yeah,
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making adjustments to the dress. And we got talking and
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she'd seen the covers of the books on the side,
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and that I didn't sort of push these things down
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people's throats half of the time. If if these if
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people are strangers to our household. I don't really say
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much about what involved in. And she told me she
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lived in a few years prior, and this is going
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back to nineteen two thousand and seven, and she told
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me that she lived in a little village called Huggart
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on the East Yorkshire Wolds. That's Wolds in English folklore
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and dialect. It means the wilds, the Wolds, that's what
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they'd call it. And there's little villagers dotted all over
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the Wolds. And she lived in this place called Huggart,
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and she'd been visiting her daughter in the small town
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of Driffield, which would have been about fifteen miles away,
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and she was coming home in the evening after seeing
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a daughter. It's not quite dark and she's on this
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narrow almost single track roads with pullins every now and then,
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and she called her husband to say that she would
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be approximately twenty five thirty minutes. She said there was
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a little bit of light frost and she was just
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driving steady the distance, but round some bend she could
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see lights above the hedgerow. And even though the lights
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didn't look as she would familiarize herself with torch lights
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because there was almost a lemony orange tinge to these lights.
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They were actually balls of light. But doing what we
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all do, we're rationalizing, we're trying to find something that
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fits into normality. She just assumed that there was a
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couple of men on the lane with tortures and didn't
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think much more about it as she's driving along. And also,
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the lights weren't giving off I mean, this is on
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reflection and pardon the pun. After speaking to hers, she
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realizes the lights weren't giving off any kind of beam,
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and as she approached the bend looking for the people
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with tortures. She rounded the bend and she was amazed
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to see a herd of roe deer, ten or twelve
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in total on the road. Well, obviously, we've got lots
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lots of wild deer here in the UK. Road deer
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the most prolific, but you don't normally see ten or
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twelve on a road together. You'll see two or three
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just running after they've been spooked, and then another cluster
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will burst out from a hedgerow or somewhere. But there's ten.
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So she's moving along and then she's amazed to see
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that the lights are above the deer and the spheres
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of light or in spheres of light that this lady
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called Elaine related to me as I got to know
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her sort of working on my she'd been working on
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my daughter's wedding dress and told us this amazing account.
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And she was shocked. And she said, the deer, the
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book or the stager, I think you'd probably call it
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in the US, looked as startled as her, but no
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more startled with the car than these lights that were
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sort of I don't know. She said, they were almost
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hurding them. She swerved off the road and if you
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google this terrain, you'll see that is quite hilly, sloping
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hills that go down either side of this road towards
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the village of Huggart, and she just crashed through the
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hedge and went down into the field. She says, I
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was wedged between two trees. I couldn't open the back
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the side doors of the car, and she looked out
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of a window and she could see that the lights
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were coming down the field. And now all of this
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is probably happened in thirty seconds even less, and it's
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just totally confused. Eventually, she manages to scramble out of
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the back hatch of the car, phone in hand, which
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has gone completely flat, and she insisted that she'd got
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at least three quarters of a charge when she rang
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her husband up. And that's another aspect of the unexplained, Steve,
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that your listeners will have come across before, the ability
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for something within unexplained phenomena to drain you know, batteries
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and electrical appliances, which is a strange one. I don't
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know how that.
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I've experienced that myself. I've been on location and doing investigations.
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Have camera batteries go flat or an EMF mede her
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anything whatever, fully charged cell phone. Yeah, the batteries are
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just drained instantly.
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Yes, yeah, well, she said a former flat. The lights
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had gone. She's still puzzled. She's not really, she's not.
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She's not worked out what's happened. She said. I looked
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at I can still see the faces of the deers.
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They looked. They looked startled. But not, she insists, not
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by my head lights, not by me rounding the corner,
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but by these lights that were above them. The She
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scrambles up the hill and manages to walk home to
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hug her, But then she's lost time, she said. The
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walk home, she said, should have been no more than
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ten minutes, and it took her well over it. She
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was well over let me get correct Myselfia Steve. She
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was well over an hour after filming, phoning her husband earlier,
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so she'd got missing time as well. So I think
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they've got a fairly good account of light form phenomena
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interacting with the with wildlife, with animals there. And I
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suppose we're the wildlife in some instances with this phenomena,
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whatever it is, that's sort of I don't know, is
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it interfering with a Steve, whatever it is that's intruding
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in our lives. And I don't know if they ever
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heard a story like that before.
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Not quite like that, but deer seemed to play a
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part in a lot of paranormal encounters. I had another
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guest that talked about a thing she saw. She lives
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on an old farm out in East Tennessee. And it
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looked like a deer in mid jump, you know how
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they'll kind of leap over a hedge or something. But
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it was like just the outline of it and it
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was moving, but it wasn't moving. It was frozen, But
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this outline of a deer was just moving through the air.
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It's so strange.
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About deer.
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There's another phenomena they have here. I don't know if
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you have consumilar there, but they call it a not deer.
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It's a deer, but it's not a deer. It looks
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like a deer, but it's some sort of shape shifter.
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It can change into several different forms, including a human.
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I've heard a lot of reports about that. I don't
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know what it is about deer other than you know
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they're prevalent. They're are sacred animals to the indigenous peoples.
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But there's some something about the deer that the phenomena
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are attracted to or used for some regain in some regard.
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I would agree, And like you said, it could be
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the prevalent on the landscape and people are familiar with them.
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But I mean, we have a similar thing with hairs,
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you know, you know, not the rabbits, but hairs, and
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people have a lot of superstitions surrounding hairs. But you know,
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it jumps all over the place. The research I got
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a report from twenty twenty, so it's not that long ago.
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And I live right on the edge of the coast
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and literally when I'm sat now it's probably two hundred
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yards from the North Sea, and a little bit further
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down the coast from me is a small fishing village
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called Hornsey. And this young man contacted me to say
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he'd had what he described as a terrifying experience whilst
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fishing one night at Hornsey. And so his beach fishing.
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He's got his road, he's got his gear, his dad's
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dropped him off, and he only lives about five to
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ten minutes from where his dad had dropped him off
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on the seafront at Harnsey. And this is as strange
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as it gets for me. He said. The time was
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approximately twelve ten and it was one hour before high
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tide weather and sea conditions were very very rough, he said,
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as you know, and he moved close to the sea
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wall for protection not from the sea but from the
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wind and the sea spray. Tucked himself down beside the
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sea wall and sheltered from terrible conditions, and he remembers
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checking his watch and it's twelve ten a m. And
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that's when he noticed, as he looked up the beach,
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a very very small, thin figure walking towards him along
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the shoreline, which was kind of impossible, this, this young
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guy said, And I just need to just detract slightly
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all of these people I speak to personally and I've
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met face to face usually, you know, because I'll like
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first hand accounts. And he's quite perplexed when he's telling
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me this. He said, the sea was raging, he said,
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you know, he said, it weren't even high tide, and
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it's it's nearly at the top of the beach and
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there's this thin figure just walking along the shoreline. He
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said that sat for a few moments, amazed that someone
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would be so close to those those conditions, and who
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or whatever it was was very small, he said, about
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five foot tall and very very thin. If it was
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a human, he said, it had to be a woman.
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And I kind of stopped him there and said, you know,
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could you see the outline of hips or breasts? You know,
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there's there's nothing wrong with asking these questions. And he
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said he couldn't, it was so thin, but that he
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could only imagine that someone of that stature could be
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a woman. And it was completely black from head to toe.
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Now we know that it's nighttime, we know that he's
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talking about stormy sea conditions, so you know, it would
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be difficult to make out facial features or anything, but
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you can usually see a little bit of shade. Not
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everything's just completely back black. He said. It moved its
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arms in military fashion, so we can all picture that
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as a soldier would walk up the beach. But this
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thing's approximately five foot tall. So he's watched this for
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a few minutes, but he felt the urge to stand
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up and need to stress here. And he didn't feel
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the urge to stand up to shock this thing. He'd
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been crouched down against the sea wall and he wanted
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to just stretch his legs and he's got no there's
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nothing happening that's unnerving him at this moment, he said.
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At the exact moment that it stood up, the figure
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instantly stopped. He said, it felt as though whatever it was,
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and now he's calling it it, he's moved away from
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it being a human was shocked. Whatever this was was
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shocked that it had been seen. And he got the feeling,
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although only a feeling, there's no mind speaker or anything
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like that, that it didn't want to be seen, he said.
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And then over a period of about five to six
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seconds seconds, he said this the figure sort of just
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pixelated and vanish. Which is that just kind of runs
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shivers down my spine thinking about.
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It, imagining it in my head, seeing that the pixelation had.
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You know, a diminutive figure, but nonetheless something that's got
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the ability to him to just render itself invisible before
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his eyes. He said, at that moment, his curiosity turned
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to deep fear. He was very scared, and he phoned
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his dad and told him what had happened, asked him
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to come right away, he said. His dad arrived less
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than five minutes after the phone call. You know, his
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dad realized there was some urgency, and the time between
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making the phone call to picking him up and arriving
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back home should have taken fifteen minutes. And I've just
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missed a little bit out here that I'll just retract,
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go back, Steve. After he'd made the phone call to
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his dad, he pulled out his fileting knife from his
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fishing tackle box and hastily cut the line on his
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fishing rod. He just left whatever it was for the
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sea to claim, packing his rod away. Looking around him
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constantly with the knife in one hand, he said, I
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felt that this thing was there. I couldn't see it
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now that could be just sheer paranoia on his part,
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but I think I'd probably feel the same myself, you know, Steve,
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But you know that's how he felt. He said, it
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shouldn't have taken his dad more than five minutes to
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get to him, which have made the time. But incredibly,
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let me get this correct. Incredibly, when he arrived home
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it was one thirty seven am. So if it's correct
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with his times, is not only had this incredible sighting
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of this pixelating, vanishing figure, he's lost over eighty minutes
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of time. So there's something happened in the time between
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the time. He has no recall of anything happening. However,
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during that time, you know, with his permission, you know,
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I sort of contact with the local paper to see
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and briefly gave an outline of the story without I
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didn't want to identify this young guy and to see
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if anybody else had had any similar accounts. But before
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we get to that, and I can add on to
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a few more accounts from this, he said when he
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went home and dad got him home, obviously this young
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guy is very very shok up. They live in a
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pretty secluded house and it's modern and it's got a
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lot of glass all the way around it, one way
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glass that obviously the occupants inside can see out, but
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nobody can see in quite an affluent property, or his
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dad is an affluent man, you know, plenty of money
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by the sounds of things. And he said, I immediately
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shut the blinds, even though there was no need, because
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I felt that this thing was watching me. And he said,
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I felt like that for days. He said that whatever
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I saw and I'd had an effect on it, I
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wasn't supposed to see it. So it's just a quirky story, Steve.
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And you know, obviously we both love these strange and
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unusual stories, and I like the fact that I've not
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really heard one quite the same. But when I contacted,
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I think it was a Hornsey Gazette, the local paper,
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and just said this young fisherman had had this experience
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on the beach and put it out there. I wondered
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if anybody else had had any experts is now contacted
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by a man who said that when he was a
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young boy, he'd been on the beach at Haunsey digging bait,
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lugworms and things obviously to use to catch the fish.
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There's a group of them two or three guys, young
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young men, probably teenagers, well they were teenagers. And he said,
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I turned round and looked towards the sea wall, and
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I saw the dark shadow of something, not an outline
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and not a strong outline, a shadow of something. Then
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one of my friends screamed out and shouted sort of
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ouch or worse to that effect, and something kicked him
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in the calf and he fell to the floor. He said,
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we all, all three of us, watched this dark shadow
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run into the night. So there's obviously substance to these things, Steve,
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even something with the ability to render itself invisible, you know.
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And I thought of that as you were talking about
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this deer that looked almost shadow like and the shape
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shifter element. What else could these things be? You know?
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You know, it's been suggested that the intelligence that is
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unexplained phenomena can perhaps put these images in our heads.
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Let's face it, if these things can speak to us
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in our minds, if they've got the ability to read
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our thoughts, then there's the potential that they can actually
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place images in our minds. But not in all instances,
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because the substance to whatever it is kicked the guy
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in the calf on the beach, or there appears to be.
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I mean, it would have been amazing if the young
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fisherman had found footprints, but you weren't hanging around any
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longer than he had to do, you know, So just
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a strange another strange one that really strange.
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I've never heard anything quite like that has the elm
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of a missing time. The creature that can appear to
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disappear at will if you will, or at least paid
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out like that fascinating. I mean, there's so much out
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there that we don't understand, and it is all connected,
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and like Charles Sport once wrote, one measures the circle
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beginning anywhere, And when you start looking into these things,
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you find so many different tangents, yet so many different similarities.
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And that's always the fascinating part to me, and one
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of the bonuses, I guess you could call it of
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what you and I do when we hear these stories
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and we report them other people little jog their memories
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or they've been waiting to tell it and like, oh,
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here's something similar to what happened to me.
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I don't feel like people.
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Are going to think I'm crazy if I share my story.
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I love that aspect of it.
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I want to talk absolutely, and that isn't an aspect
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of it that, like you, I share lots of enthusiasm
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for because it does give people the encouragement to come
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out with their own their own accounts of the strange
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and unusual, and it adds more meat to the bone
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that we are dealing with something that's very real. I mean,
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just because we don't understand how these things work, the
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mechanisms of it, this exotic science, does not mean it's
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not happening. When I wrote the first book, the First
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Truth Proof Book, in two thoy and fifteen, obviously, like
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I said previously, I've been researching, same as everybody, same
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as your listeners, you know, whilst throughout my working life
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I'm sort of looking into these things and looking for
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pieces of my own puzzle, so to speak. But I
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contacted another local paper, the Bridlington Free Press, and asked
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them if they'd kindly put an advert in saying that
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an budding author so to speak, was looking for stories
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of the strange and unusual, and I in amongst the
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reports I started getting. Because I was primarily a UFO
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type researcher, I was probably in the category that I've
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just been not frowning upon, but saying we should move
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away from. And in amongst the reports, I got a
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report of a werewolf type creature from a little village
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eleven miles away from where I live, a village called Flickston.
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And I didn't disregard it. But it wasn't it wasn't
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at the top of my life, Steve. But I got
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another report from the village of Flixton, from someone else,
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but not a resident, but someone who had been passing through.
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And this is a tiny village. It's in North Yorkshire.
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I live in East Yorkshire, but you kind of slip
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across the border about six miles from my home and
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you're in North Yorkshire. And Flixton is a tiny village
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that adjoins another village called Fulkton, and between the two
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of them they would only form us one small village.
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And there's one road runs through them both, and it's
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the A ten three nine. And so anyway, I thought, right,
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I'm gonna have a little bit of a dig around
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and look into the subject of what I've now called
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the Flixton werewolf visited the village. I don't go door
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knocking asking people if they've seen a werewolf people. But
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I was looking for information relating to this, and I
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found myself at Fulkton Church and an old guy there
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was the grounds money was doing some work on it
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up talking to him and I told him there had
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these reports of this strange bipedal creature. And he said,
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this guy, I'll not say his name, but I know
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he was in his eighties, lovely old chap just worked
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tending to grass and plants around the church. And he
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told me that, you know, as children growing up in
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the village, they all knew about the Flixton werewolf. And
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I don't mean they'd all seen it. I suppose it's
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like villagers or small towns and communities in the US,
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Steve where people have all they'll all know about the
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story of the bigfoot or maybe ware wolf, stroke dog
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man type creatures that have been reported. So he starts
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telling me these you know, you need to speak to
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this guy. You need to speak to a guy called
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Edwin Cooper who was a historian. He may have some information.
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So I sort of went on my way, did a
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little bit more research, bumped into someone else and he said,
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this guy said he'd heard the stories, but didn't really
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have any information he could give me. This is another
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one close to the church again, And then I discovered
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that Flixton the village itself in nine thirty seven AD.
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So we're going back a lot of years. I think
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we're going back one thousand and eighty six years nine
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thirty seven AD. The then king king Athelston, so not
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a made up king, it's not legend. The King of
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the day ordered that a refuge be built at Flixton
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to protect travelers from wolves. Well, as I've said many
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times now on various podcasts, we know that wolves would
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have been prevalent in eastern North Yorkshire within the United
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Kingdom one thousand and eighty six years ago nine thirty
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seven AD. But there's a little bit extra on the
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writing that I found fascinating. It said to protect travelers
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from wolves and an infestation of savage beasts. Then abounding.
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Now does that mean another?
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Definitely, it really.
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Does, Steve, and this is what the ancient writings say.
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So I will get to some of the accounts, but
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I'll just sort of flesh out the history of the area.
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So he had they called it Carman's Spittle, and it
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was c a double r and it's nothing to do
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with motor cars over a thousand years ago. What cars
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mean people in the UK, the cars it means, reads
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an elder. It's wetlands, the cars, that's what we call them.
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And so it was Carman's spittle and I suppose it's
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their early word for hospital a refuge. So Carman's Spittle
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was built one thousand and eighty six years ago to
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protect travelers from wolves and an infestation of savage beasts.
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And the writing also said at least they be devoured.
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So does that mean that there's a werewolf prevalent? It
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flicks to and I can't say with any certainty, But
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what I can say is I've got lots and lots
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of reports from people totally unconnected to one another, spanning decades,
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mean to have seen this thing, which is fascinating now archaeologists.
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Before we get to the account, Steve, if you, if
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you'll allow me to just deliberate on this archaeologists.
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Please continue every minute part.
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It's fabulous. I'm enthralled by the flixt and werewolf stories
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now it's it's really captured me as well. The cars
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Flixton's Star car, which is the low wetlands that I've
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just discussed that the attached to the village, but you know,
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they're literally with hundreds of yards from the bottoms of
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some of these people's gardens and it used in Paolithic
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times that's over I don't know, eight to twelve thousand
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years ago. It was a huge lake. Obviously the inhabitants
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then would not have called it Lake Flixton, but it
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would have been known as Lake Flixton in modern day
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that's what they call it. And the archaeologists now the
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lake bed has dried up and it's all wetland. They've
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found some of the most important artifacts any where in
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the UK or the world. They found headdressers with red
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deer antlers, frontlets and antlers attached with eyes drilled in
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them or bored in them with primitive tools. But what's
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interesting is the archaeologists believe that the people who inhabited
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flixt and stark Are were much more than hunter gatherers.
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They found evidence of mass animal sacrifice and horse butchery,
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and they believe that these people, these inhabitants of flixed
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and stark A, were shaman or practice in shamanic ritual
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with dute based on what they've found. So that's not
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Paul Sinclair saying that and speculating that's what the archaeologists speculate.
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So has kind of stepped into the shoes of somebody thinking, well,
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if we're looking at shaman and the potential for what
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the shaman can do and the transformation, are we looking
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at something that's a remnant from those ancient times in
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the form of the Flixton werewolf, you know? And so
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jumping from that, there's another village two miles away from Flixton. Oh,
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just draw back again. Paul, the king who had the
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refuge bill to protect the travelers, also said that a
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certain portion of land within Flixton must be forever known
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as Wolfland. So that's interesting in itself. That's hence the
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title of our documentary Wolfland that because that's where our
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documentary begins at Flixton and then sort of travels around
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these areas where the sightings are. But let me just
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jump back to where we were. There's another village two
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miles away from Flixton called hundman Be. So you break
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the words down, it's h u n d man b
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y m a n b y. So I'm not fitting
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these words to make anything. I'm reporting or relaying what
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they actually mean in ancient texts, and huned man be
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means farmstead of the houndman. So don't you find it
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absolutely fabulous and intriguing. And one other thing that throws
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up all the time, Steve around these locations, around the
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locations where these cryptid type creatures are seen, you know.
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I mean here in the UK, I tend to use
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the word were wolf. I know in the the US
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people use the word dog man. And I haven't got
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a problem either or I think we're dealing probably with
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the same thing. You know, some people might not agree,
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but I'm not here for an argument with you know,
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I think we all agree that there is a reality
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to what what people see.
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I can see both sides of it. I think it's
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more akin to a wolf than than than a canine
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lumpine rather than canine. So I think there's there's a
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subtle difference in there. They probably know each other apart,
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but they're similar.
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Yeah, yeah, very very And you know, all of these witnesses,
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they're all they're all reporting things in on or around
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ancient earthworks, burial mounds, you know. And I don't know
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whether that applies, well, I do. I think it does
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apply to certain sites in the US and all over
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the world. You get Indian burial grounds and you get
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other places, and it's almost as though these things. I mean,
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if if we jump to Egypt, we've got a nubist,
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the sort of guardian of the dead. It leads the
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dead to the underworld or the safe passage to the underworld.
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We've got, you know, we've got these were wolf dog
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man type entities seen around burial mounds. We stay with
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Flixton and I'll just tell you an account from the
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old guy that when I first started looking into it,
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one of the elder people of the village said he'd
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heard of it, but knew nothing about it. And I
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found myself back in the village again, just sort of
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retracing my steps, and I bumped into him and I
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told him that I'd found out that used to be
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called wolf Land, and you know, with the refuge had
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been built. He said, oh, you've got that far, have you,
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I said, I said yeah. I said, it's fascinating. I said,
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there's really something to this. And he said to me,
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I've seen it. I said, you what he said, I've
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seen it? Wow, and prior to this he wouldn't it,
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wouldn't let on it seen anything. So I said, would
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you like to tell me about what you've seen them? Please?
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He said yeah, he said it was about nineteen forty eight,
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So you can see how far back some of these
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stories go. It says I was a young boy and
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we were playing around the burial mounds on top of
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Staxton Brow. Staxton Brow is five hundred foot above sea
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level and it's very close to an ancient Roman hill fort.
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And now on the Roman Hill Fort is arif Staxton Wold,
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which is the oliest operational a ref base in the world,
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and it's still operational today. But just across from Staxton Wall,
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these these young boys, two young boys were playing one
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summer's evening and he kind of alluded to the fact that,
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you know, we could play out till nine ten at
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night and our parents used to leave the doors unlocked
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and everything was safe. It's not like the world is today,
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he said. And we're up around the around the burial
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mounds of sharp how how is a burial mound or
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a tumuli? And this where they were playing is what
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was known as a barrow cemetery. All of these locations
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that I'm speaking about exist people. So if you, if
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you are sufficiently interested, you will google them and you
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will find them so sharp. How I think I've I've
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seen there's five burial mounds left today. Apparently there was nine,
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but the plow and the farmer has sort of diminished
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the other four. There's there's nothing left to be seen.
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He suddenly walked up to one of the burial mounds
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as their young boys just are playing, having a great time.
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I suppose on a summer's eve, and there's a tree
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growing out of the side of the mound. It said.
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This thing is crouched with its back to the tree,
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and in his words, he said, it was looking at
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something in its hands. Didn't say pause, he said hand.
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So we stopped in our tracks and stared at this
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thing that just lifted its head looked at them, no
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glowing eyes, no snarling teeth, and looked at them. I said,
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and I said, describe it. He said it. Essentially, it
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was a dog in the shape of a man in
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the you know that's you know, the shoulders, everything, It
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had clavicles. It was a dog in the shape of
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a man, he said. I asked him what he did.
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He said, we turned and we ran. Now, there's many
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things that take this away from any kind of apex
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predator that we'd no understand, such as, I don't know
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a wolf for bear a pumor. It didn't pursue them.
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They never saw it again. They just ran, I think
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he said. He told the story to his parents. His
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parents had relayed the story of don't go there, don't
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do this, don't do that in various locations because you'll
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encounter the werewolf. These stories were told to the locals
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of Flixton as part of growing up. So that's just
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another story of the Flixton Werewolf, you know. And this
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road obviously in the truth Proof books Truth Proof one
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and truth Proof too, are right. I won't say extensively,
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but I've got quite a few accounts of the Flixton
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Werewolf and they're scene or it is seen on the
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eight ten, three nine. Well it would be because it's
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a very sleepy, lazy kind of road and there's only
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one way into the village, as I said before, and
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one way out. And you know, I think we've got
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one from and if anybody reads my books, please forgive me.
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If I've got year wrong, but I think it's nineteen
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sixty six, where there's a fishing town about seven miles
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away on the edge of the North Sea. Like I
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live in Bridlington on the edge of the North Sea.
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Flixton is inland and called Filey. And this this young
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man had been to Filey with a friend for a
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night out in the local pubs, having a few beers
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and probably trying to talk to girls, you know, that's
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the way of things in it. And driving home from
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Filey on the motorbike, his friends on the back of
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the bike picks it, picks Eye Shine up in a
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ditch as he's approaching with his motorbike. And I just
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need to say that there's lots of drainage ditches around
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Flicksed and lot. There's a maze of these ditches. Some
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of them are like ten foot deep and they've they've
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actually got six or seven foot of water in them,
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because obviously this was an ancient lake bed and it's
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still it's still very marshy land. But he picks the
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eye Shine up and he says, an out of the ditch.
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This thing crawls out of the ditch on all fours. Essentially,
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it never got off up onto two legs, he said,
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but once again a man covered in fur with a
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dog's head. So it relayed that story. And then we're
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jumping to present time, Steve, you know, we're jumping to
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I don't know, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. I've
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got stories from throughout the throughout the decades and the years.
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But there's two young ladies who've been for an evening meal,
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the sisters that they've been out on her works do
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it's close to Christmas, it's just before the Christmas period.
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But before anybody thinks, well, I bet they've been drinking,
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she's driving a car and she looked keen to stress
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that her sister had had a few glasses of wine,
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but she was driving and she hadn't. They're coming down
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the hill watch, which is called Whitegate Hill. That then
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as you come off Whitegate Hill you enter the eight
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ten three nine road, the one I've just been talking about. Incidentally,
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on Whitegate Hill, you've got a burial mound called spell
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How which is beautiful burial mound with some interesting stories
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of elves and hobbs and goblins attached to it throughout
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the ages. Like you know, gendry folk law type stories
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which are fascinating. We just approached come off Whitegate Hill
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and we're on the A ten to three nine. Nothing
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else on the road. Obviously these roads are unlit as well. People.
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There's nothing there until you get to the village, and
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then you've got you know, a few properties from the village.
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And this thing just leapt out into the road in
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one leap there stopped momentarily. They weren't close to hitting
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it or anything, Steve, but it stopped momentarily, and then
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in another leap it was off into the fields and
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it had gone. It's almost deliberate in my opinion, because
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of all the places that this could have crossed the road,
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it does it in full view of somebody's head lights.
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The nineteen six I think it was the nineteen sixty
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six one. The motorbike. It comes out of the ditch.
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There's another story of a driver prior to this. What
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we're going to do, Steve, I'm just going to give
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you the description that these ladies gave me. They asked
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me this. I asked for the description. Obviously, they said
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everything looked wrong on it. Everything looked wrong, and it
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was a slightly different description to what I'd got from
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the old guys who had seen it at sharp how
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which they described something looking more like a wolf. They said,
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this looked wrong. It's a They described the fur of
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a having the fur like the underfur of a badger,
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where they could see the skin in the head lights
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beneath the fur. And it looked thin, It looked emaciated,
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It looked wrong. It was incredibly fast, but it didn't
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look like it should actually the mechanics of its bone
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structure should have actually worked. It looked almost disfigured. They
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didn't say, add the head of a dog. They can't.
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Everything happened so fast that, you know, you know, I could.
710
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.880
I could sit here and lie and make up that
711
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.000
it had some that told me at the head of
712
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.840
a dog. They didn't. They didn't really. They were focused
713
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:04.119
on its body and the legs and this strange disjointed
714
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.920
figure that leapt into the road and leapt off. And
715
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.079
they said, if they were going to liken it to anything,
716
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.519
they said, have you ever seen the film Harry Potter?
717
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.039
And I think we've all probably seen it. He said,
718
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.480
have you seen the Werewolf on Harry Potter? So I
719
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.280
say yes, And then they said it looked like that.
720
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.159
So fascinating, and I'll carry on, Steve, unless you have
721
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:25.079
any questions.
722
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.360
No, no, the whole I'm just fascinated with the whole thing,
723
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:33.119
and the part with Anubis that really jard of memory.
724
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:36.440
I've got a friend that lives in Louisiana in one
725
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.920
of the swampy areas, and it's in she reported it
726
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.199
to Lady Linda Godfrey. I think it's in her book.
727
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.360
I know what I saw, and she saw a dog
728
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.679
man type creature, but she said it looked more like
729
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.800
the Egyptian Nubis, which is described as a man with
730
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.440
a dog's head or a jackal's head. And the interesting
731
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.679
thing about that, it's one of the gods of the
732
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.679
dead in the Egyptian circles of God of funerary rites
733
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.679
and protect your graves. In the area where she saw that,
734
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:14.840
there was some sort of indigenous Native American burial ground there,
735
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.800
a burial mound, so it all ties together. It's just
736
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.039
like what you were talking about. And I also like
737
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.639
the fact that you've gone back and the one story
738
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.480
you're relating there for like thing you said nineteen forty eight.
739
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.159
I love those old accounts like that. And one of
740
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.679
the things I do. I'll go to nursing homes and
741
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:36.159
do a book reading and some people are not into it,
742
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.199
you know, Oh there's no Bengo to night, so they'll
743
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.880
sit and do their knitting or whatever. But a lot
744
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.760
of times after the reading is done, and i'd usually
745
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.159
read out of Strange Things in the Woods, I'll have
746
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.599
some of those elderly people come up to me and say,
747
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.840
when I was a little boy, I saw this, and
748
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.719
then they launched into a story. And those I mean
749
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.920
the elderly people, that's one of our greatest resources for
750
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.480
these folk stories and sightings and stuff, because a lot
751
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.639
of them they've never told anybody about it, and when
752
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:06.280
they died.
753
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.960
That experiences with them. So I'm hoping you know that.
754
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:10.880
Uh.
755
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.880
In that first book, Strange Things in the Woods, about
756
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.119
ninety five percent of those people have passed on, So
757
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.960
those stories never would have made it beyond their immediate
758
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.360
circle of friends and family. If even that, if not
759
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.599
for my books, I feel I'm at least doing a
760
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.199
service there to keep the stories alive.
761
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.199
What a fabulous way to engage with people. See, I've
762
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.239
not thought of that, you know, And I wouldn't mind
763
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.519
doing that. You're you're you're giving entertainment to like I said.
764
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.519
And then, like I said, some of them don't care.
765
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.039
They just get up and leave when it's over. But
766
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.079
others there'll always be one or two that will hang
767
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.559
around and I know what they're up to. And he's like,
768
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.320
let me tell you what I saw one time. Yes, Yes,
769
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.199
And another place I found find where the young people,
770
00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:01.000
where the teenagers congregate, their their spots skip parks or
771
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.039
BMX dirt tracks and things like that. Ask them, Hey,
772
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.800
where's the spooky place? Where do you take your girlfriend
773
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.719
parking in the car? And I've heard some great tales
774
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.400
that way of certain spots where there's a local legend.
775
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.719
And here in the States, particularly in the Southern United States,
776
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.440
every little community has a white lady or a lady
777
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.519
on a bridge or a crying baby bridge. And it's
778
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.079
just fascinating because it's similar stories but in different locales
779
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.159
all throughout, and it's it's really nationwide, but particularly prevalent
780
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:33.719
in the South.
781
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.280
Do you know the white lady story? And obviously will
782
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.000
probably touch on the white lady's story, but we've got
783
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.440
those in a place called Danes Dyke. They're all over
784
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.400
the UK and obviously all over the US, but we've
785
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.000
got them in danes Dyke. But the people have spoken
786
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.119
to they've seen a sphere of white light when you
787
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.320
actually get to it, they've not seen the full blown
788
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.719
apparition of a white lady. But I'd just like to
789
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.000
stay with providing you'll listeners aren't going to be too
790
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.400
bored with the start at all.
791
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.519
I'm on the edge of my seat and I know
792
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.960
my listeners they enjoy this as much as I do,
793
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.519
if not more, so please continue.
794
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:13.000
Yeah, well, I've got one which I weren't gonna kind
795
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.239
of include it. It's just it's coming straight out of
796
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.599
my head because you revamped Anubis. I know I touched
797
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.400
on it before, but then you came out with it,
798
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.199
and this is almost well it is. It's in suburbia.
799
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.920
A friend told me about a friend of his who
800
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.800
I got to speak to as a young man in
801
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.199
his late twenties, suffered a heart attack in the prime
802
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.679
of his life. And obviously there was no reason for
803
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.239
him to suffer this heart attack, no, no prior sort
804
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:48.199
of ill health. And when after the heart attack, after examination,
805
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.639
nobody could understand why he had the heart attack. But
806
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.639
he told my friend and I know now as well.
807
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.480
So he lived in a semi detached council property. I'm
808
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.119
not gonna away this guy's really it's really shook him up.
809
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.559
But it's in East Yorkshire, living at home, late twenties,
810
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.920
comes home, goes as his meal, evening meal, probably with
811
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.000
his mum, and dad goes upstairs to listen to music
812
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.559
or play on his iPad or whatever. Night arrives and
813
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:19.519
he goes to sleep. He goes to bed, and he's
814
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:25.039
in bed three bedroomed suburban council house, semi detached house
815
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.159
in a village, actually in a village, but I don't
816
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.400
have to say what village it's in. I don't think
817
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.760
anybody's gonna hear this who knows him. But I just
818
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:36.920
want to be fair to the guy and that is
819
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.480
in that mode of not quite asleep and half awake,
820
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:46.599
his rooms in darkness, and suddenly if he wakes and
821
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.199
he feels uneasy, looks into the darkness and the people.
822
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.320
I've struggle with this one as well, but I've heard
823
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.000
the story firsthand, and he claims that something that he
824
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:03.840
can only describe as a Nubis in dress as well.
825
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:09.280
I'm not talking about just in appearance, facially walked through
826
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.239
the wall into his bedroom, an upstairs bedroom. Following it
827
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.960
was another one. And picture this. It's a you know,
828
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.880
we're not talking about some long corridor. We're talking about
829
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.039
a room probably tops four meters by three and a
830
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:29.639
half meters, and you know, and it walked past his bed,
831
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.039
and the first one walked straight out of the wall,
832
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:37.559
and the second one stopped before walking out of the
833
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.480
through the wall. This guy's frozen in fear, he said.
834
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.280
And it turned and looked at him, walked to his
835
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.239
bed and plunged its hand into his chest. And I
836
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.199
don't mean physically as in seeing all the gore. It
837
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.360
literally said that the hand went into his chest and
838
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.199
at that moment he had an art and the rest
839
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.639
is history. That's the story true, you know. So you know,
840
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.559
we touched on a new BIS and we you know,
841
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.719
some of these stories I've never heard before or since.
842
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.719
You know, you know, I've got so many of them, Steve,
843
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.880
you know, let's just jump from the dog man, the
844
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.719
stroke the were wolf temporarily if I can, because this
845
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:26.119
one's in my mind, because I've recently been talking to
846
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:29.360
both witnesses and I think we're going back to the
847
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.599
nineteen nineties, and this man was in a relationship with
848
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.400
a lady we'll call us Sue. That weren't a name,
849
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.480
but that's what we'll call her, and is in a
850
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.639
relationship with Sue. And whilst in this property there's activity,
851
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:52.079
there's sort of spirit portergeist weird activity, and he's aware
852
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.400
of it, and this lady's aware of it. It doesn't
853
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:58.960
talk about it much, doesn't bring it up much, but
854
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.599
he keeps It's almost I've noticed with the poltergeist phenomena,
855
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.800
it's almost as though when our awareness grows that this
856
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.480
thing is here, it kind of grows with us. But
857
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.159
that's just a sideshoe. Sorry, people, let me go back
858
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.360
to the story. He said, I'm in bed with this
859
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.920
lady one one night and I wake up in the
860
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.920
night and something is dragging me out of the bed,
861
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.440
he says, And I'm kicking and screaming and she's asleep.
862
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.400
She doesn't wake up, and I see it temporarily, and
863
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.760
it's a fully formed black figure with a He calls
864
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.480
it the sand Down Port Man. So if anybody's seen
865
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.039
the bottles of port with the man on sand Down Port,
866
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.320
he said it was big, broad shoulders with her like
867
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.400
a pointy hat, but just black, no facial features, nothing,
868
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.280
and it disappeared, he said. After that, he said, you know,
869
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.679
I told her that something had happened, and she said
870
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.760
to me, you've seen it, haven't you. You've seen it?
871
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.679
He said, yeah, And he said no, she said, and
872
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.960
she took me outside. And this isn't the main core
873
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.119
of the story, Steve, but we'll get to that, he said.
874
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.480
She took me outside and said, give me some chalk.
875
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.719
She said, draw it on the pavement, on the paving slab.
876
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.840
Draw it. So as I started to draw it, she
877
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.880
said stop, and she started to rub it out with
878
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.000
her foot. She said, you've seen it. You've seen it.
879
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.199
That's all. Well. A short time after, and not because
880
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.679
of this, they split up, and sometime after that, this
881
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:32.840
guy formed another relationship with another lady who was slightly disabled.
882
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.519
And that plays into what we're talking about in a moment,
883
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.920
he said, But that thing followed me. That thing, whatever
884
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.400
it was, left that woman, or if it didn't, she
885
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.239
never told me it stayed with her, because it followed me,
886
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.639
he said. And I kept seeing a glimpse of it
887
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.400
inside my new partner's home. I kept He says, I
888
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:57.519
could walk through a doorway and feel the electricity of it.
889
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.519
It was near me. Said, but I never said anything
890
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:03.159
to her, want to frighten her. And she said, but
891
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.360
I could, He said, I just in my peripheral, I'd
892
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.639
see it. He said, you know this this built and
893
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.760
this built is. And then this particular day, we'd been
894
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.519
out and we pulled up outside of property and she's
895
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:19.159
in a wheelchair, and she said, I'll go in, Mel.
896
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.000
I don't mind saying this guy's name, it will mels
897
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.719
In Melvin. He says, I'll go in, Mel, but we
898
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.719
need some milk. You go get some milk, will you?
899
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:31.320
And she let herself into her property. Uh, And there'd
900
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.719
been poltergeist type activity, which she still didn't let on,
901
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.239
you know, as in the electric blinds were opening and
902
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.559
shutting on their own, and all sorts of things were happening.
903
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.519
So I come back. When I came back after bringing
904
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.199
getting the milk, he said, she's literally slewed on the
905
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.679
side of the wheelchair, her airs all in disarray, she's crying,
906
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:56.000
she's in her right state. And he asked to what's
907
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.480
what's wrong. What's the matter. What's the matter, says you're
908
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.400
not gonna believe it. Mell, You're not gonna leave it.
909
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.519
She said, this thing appeared. Oh, he'd been out that day.
910
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.159
Sorry for drawing back people, he'd been out that day.
911
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:11.119
And it bought her a ring. Spent a lot of
912
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:12.880
money on a lovely ring. It was almost as though
913
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.159
this thing was angry because she was happy. That's how
914
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.480
he how he'd sort of rational rationalized this, He said,
915
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.599
her airs in disarray. She's on side in a wheelchair, crying,
916
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:28.079
and she said, this thing appeared, this huge black figure
917
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.000
with a pointed black hat, and it's been spinning me
918
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.199
around in the chair, mel spinning me round and round.
919
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.480
It's terrified me. And you know, he told her, then
920
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:42.679
you know what what had happened and how he perceived
921
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.599
that he'd seen it in a bungalow preer prior to that.
922
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.320
And I don't know. After a while, this this energy
923
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.679
or whatever this thing was, it kind of dissipated. But
924
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.559
that's just another quirky story. And I'm sorry people. If
925
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.320
we were into the dog Man's stroke Werewolf type of counts,
926
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.519
now jump.
927
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.960
Again in the name of the show, everything out there.
928
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.719
So we're hitting all the marks today now, you mentioned
929
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.960
that was in Sandown. Is that on the Isle of Light?
930
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.119
Well, I know what I mentioned. There's a drink port
931
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:15.519
here in the UK that we can buy and on
932
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.360
the label of the port bottle, you've got the Sandown
933
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:20.840
Port it's called and there's a label of a black
934
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.960
figure and that's what Melvin said it looked like. So
935
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.559
anybody who wants to get an idea of what this
936
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.480
figure looked like, just type in Sanddown Port as in
937
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.599
the drink and you will see the Sandown Port man.
938
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:35.480
The shape of it.
939
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:36.880
Everything charged my memory.
940
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.400
There was a case that I've read about and study about,
941
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:43.039
fascinated by nineteen seventy three and Sanddown on the Isle
942
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.559
of Light, where some kids encountered what they described as
943
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.880
a cross between a clown, a robot, and an alien. Wow,
944
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.320
it's really strange thing that maybe there's something with that
945
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.519
name here in the States. We have a lot of
946
00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:00.960
things with devil names Diablo, Devil's Canyon, Devil's Tower, things
947
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.079
like that, and there tends to be a lot of
948
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.760
disappearances there as well, a lot of unexplained phenomena that
949
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.519
happens in places of the devil name. I don't know
950
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.840
if it was so named that by the indigenous people
951
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.599
because of the word stuff or if the simple act
952
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.599
of naming that drew things there almost like a topa.
953
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.960
It could go either way, maybe both of its.
954
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.000
You're so right, and I want I want to get
955
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.320
back to the White Lady in a moment. But and
956
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.519
whatever direction you want to take me, Steve, But you
957
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.000
talked about the Indigenous people, and you know, I talked
958
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:36.679
at length quite a few times to a wonderful guy
959
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:41.880
called Larry Cespooch, a Native American guy, and he lived
960
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:46.280
near skin Walker and I were interested because of my
961
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:49.440
research into the Flickstone Werewolf and I wanted to know
962
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:54.840
his views regarding the skin Walkers, and because I've not
963
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.920
heard from Larry for a few years. But people, if
964
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.880
you want to once again, if you want to research
965
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:01.639
or have a look into this guy, you'll see a
966
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.440
bit on YouTube about him teaching and preserving the old
967
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.320
ways and the old customs. And he were telling me
968
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.519
that where he lived there was just brought it to
969
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.719
mind as you said that, then, Steve, there was a
970
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.840
place called dead Man's Curve where I think strange things
971
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.480
were seen and bad things happened. Hence the name dead
972
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.079
Man's Curve. But I don't know if you've heard of
973
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:28.119
Larry or ever spoken to him, but well, well worth
974
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.840
a little bit of research. And this man's a wealth
975
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.639
of knowledge, one of these people you know that is
976
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:39.320
preserving these ancient stories without a doubt into that.
977
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:39.800
Thank you.
978
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:44.280
Yeah. So yeah, here about three miles from where I live, Steve.
979
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.760
And I'm sorry if I've jumped about people, and if
980
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.719
you've made any notes, pulled me back to it, Steve.
981
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.639
But a few miles from where I live, there's an
982
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.159
of course, we're littered with burial mounds, earthworks. Like I said,
983
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.800
we've got Flixed and star Car which is Payolithic, but
984
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:00.719
there's a Neolithic burial mound, neoly thing. We're going back
985
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.519
probably well we're going back at least three and a
986
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.559
half thousand years. And it cuts what's called Flamboroughhead, which
987
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.320
is a peninsula that juts out into the North Sea.
988
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.679
It cuts it off Bridlington and where I live. Obviously
989
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:16.440
in ancient times it would have cut it off. Now
990
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:17.920
there's a road running through it. You know, we're in
991
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.679
modern day. But originally they call it danes Dyke because
992
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.559
originally people believed that it was it had been excavated
993
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.159
and built by the Viking, but in the nineties, I
994
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.679
think it was in the late eighteen hundreds, it was
995
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.679
excavated and worked on by an archaeologist called pitt Rivers.
996
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.719
Sounds like someone from Indiana, Jones done. It's a brilliant name,
997
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.480
but that was his name, pitt Rivers. And pitt Rivers
998
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.800
found thousands and thousands of flint tools and ancient axes
999
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.400
and artifacts that well predated the Vikings and showed that
1000
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.320
this is Neolithic. So where am I going with this? Yeah,
1001
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.119
there's a lot, some lots of stories and legends attached
1002
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.400
to danes Dyke, and none less than the White Lady,
1003
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.159
you know. And you can go back hundreds of years
1004
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.639
in old books of folklore where people claim to have
1005
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.320
seen the White Lady. But in present day, over the
1006
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:20.360
last two or three decades, where people have reported to
1007
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.239
me given me their account of what they've seen at
1008
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.280
danes Dyke as the White Lady. They've reported a sphere
1009
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.360
of white light and they've been walking, I don't know,
1010
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.239
through the dyke in the in the night, and you know,
1011
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.599
it's a woodland, it's a small woodland, quite dense, and
1012
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.760
you know, and there's no population of people there, there's
1013
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.840
nothing there. It's in the summertime it looks idyllic, but
1014
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:48.239
like every woodland or forest, it takes on a different
1015
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.079
persona when nightfalls. And they've seen lights passing through the
1016
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.760
trees at various heights and not the torch beams. And
1017
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:57.679
so they've come back and said, we think we've seen
1018
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.000
the white Lady. And I don't know whether that applies
1019
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:04.960
over where you're doing the research, Steve, if anybody's looked
1020
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:08.519
into it, is he actually a white lady? Because along
1021
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.320
the cliff tops, probably less than a mile a mile
1022
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.960
and a half from where danes Dyke is, there's a
1023
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.880
lot of anglers who fished these cliff tops. Time tied dependent,
1024
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.079
they'll fish these cliff tops, but during the night they'll
1025
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.920
say that they've seen what's called the Ghost of Big Railings.
1026
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.440
And there's a stand where people look out to see
1027
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.880
and actually named Big Railings, and they've seen a sphere
1028
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:40.280
of white light on the stand and sort of walked
1029
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.079
up to where this is and there's nothing there, and
1030
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.159
it's not just one fisherman that's seen it, and the
1031
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.599
fishermen have named it the ghost of Big Railings, and
1032
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:51.639
they believe that it's a fisherman with a headlight on
1033
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.639
single circular headlight. So what we're doing as humans, we're
1034
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.840
attaching a body to a sphere of light, a light form.
1035
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.880
Perhaps I could be wrong, but we've got the ghost
1036
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.079
of Big Railings. We've got the White Lady staying in
1037
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.840
danes Dyke if I may. At the side of danes Dyke,
1038
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:14.880
there's a there's a golf course called the Lynx Golf Course,
1039
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.559
and I recently wrote about what I've called the Lynx Monster,
1040
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.400
because that's quite what That's how it was told to me.
1041
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.719
This young guy contacted me about six months ago to
1042
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.360
tell me that when back in about two thousand and seven,
1043
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.760
he worked at a local supermarket in Bridlington. He said,
1044
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.880
one of the managers there once was stood outside. They
1045
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.480
were having cigarette or having a break. He said. The
1046
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.880
manager stood talking to some of the younger guys. You
1047
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:48.800
would be stacking the shelves and things. He said. He
1048
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.760
had just left school and it wore a fill in
1049
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.280
job until he went to university. He said this talking,
1050
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.400
he said, he suddenly said I've seen a monster, he said,
1051
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.280
and we all I kind of stopped and listened because
1052
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.039
this is somebody in a higher position than us, this
1053
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.199
is management, said, and we're listening to him and he said, yeah,
1054
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.559
he said, our on golf course with a friend, he said,
1055
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.599
side of danes Dyke and I saw a monster, he said,
1056
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.360
and we all laughed at him, he said, we just laughed,
1057
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.519
and it kind of it really upset him. You know,
1058
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.440
this is somebody superior who they're supposed to have respect for,
1059
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.440
and he's told them something in what he thinks he
1060
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.960
is in confidence or thinks he's going to be taking seriously.
1061
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.920
They laughed at him and he shut down. He wouldn't
1062
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.760
talk to them about it after that. But this guy,
1063
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.079
then six months ago, the one who was back in
1064
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.360
two thousand and seven, was a young shelf stacker at
1065
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:42.559
the supermarket, contacted me to say, you know, the more
1066
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.320
I've thought about it over the years, I realized that
1067
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.079
this guy actually did see something, and I'm going to
1068
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.840
try and contact him for you. Well, we tried, me
1069
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.480
and me and this young fella called Ben who first
1070
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.440
gave me the story. We tried and tried. You know,
1071
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.039
I went up to the supermarket because obviously we're going
1072
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.159
back to two thousand and seven, trying to trace this man,
1073
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.920
and we'd only got his first name. So we gathered
1074
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.840
it together and eventually I found out where this man worked,
1075
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:14.159
and he worked about fifteen miles away at a garage,
1076
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.920
of all places. When we have finally traced him, I
1077
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.079
got to speak to him and I relaid the story
1078
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:25.599
that I've just told you guys now about him as
1079
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:29.239
a younger man telling a group of younger men about
1080
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.320
seeing a monster. I won't show what response I'm going
1081
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.599
to get. And he said, yeah, he says, I did
1082
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.719
see something, he said, but I don't want to tell
1083
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:41.079
you at the moment. Can I think about this for
1084
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.199
a bit and then I'll get back to you. And
1085
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:47.199
about three weeks past, and I thought, well, this is
1086
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:48.800
the end of it. We're not going to hear anymore.
1087
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.679
But he got in touch and here's the story and
1088
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.039
another one Steve, a bit like the pixelating man on
1089
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:58.760
the beach. It's one I've never heard before. He said.
1090
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.000
He said the year was not two thousand and seven,
1091
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:04.480
despite the fact that I probably told those guys in
1092
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.840
two thousand and seven. He said, I think it was
1093
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.880
between two thousand and two thousand and one. So I've
1094
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.599
been at work all day. It was winter, he said.
1095
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.880
We'd finished work, made a friend and I borrowed my
1096
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.480
dad's car, and I drove to the Lynx golf course
1097
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.480
in my dad's car, and we decided to go on
1098
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.719
the driving rain. To describe the driving range, you guys
1099
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.400
probably already know, but it was an oblong area trees
1100
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.239
to the right, trees to the left, and the trees
1101
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.440
to the bottom, obviously for protection from these eigeh velocity
1102
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.239
golf balls that are getting fired down this range. It said.
1103
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:42.480
In the distance, you've got boards fifty yards, hundred yards,
1104
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:44.519
one hundred and fifty and so forth. You know, it's
1105
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.559
not a long story of this, but it's creepy, he said.
1106
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.159
It's not quite dark, but it's the evening time and
1107
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:56.360
we're sort of enjoying work playing with these golf balls. Said,
1108
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.639
I noticed something white to the right hand side in
1109
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.679
the tree line, and it just caught my attention, but
1110
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:04.880
you know, nothing to sort of stop and go, what
1111
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.800
the hell's that? Could have been another man in a
1112
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.639
white shirt, for all he knew, he said, And then
1113
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:13.840
it came out of the tree line about one hundred
1114
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.559
yards down and I stopped absolutely rigid to the spot
1115
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:23.840
because what I was looking at, apart from having two
1116
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.320
legs and two arms and a head, was not human.
1117
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:33.079
They said. The arms were pipe like. There's no elbows.
1118
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.239
They were literally just from the shoulder down to the wrist.
1119
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:42.719
They're just long, thin arms, no muscularity, nothing. The same
1120
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.360
with the legs and and an emaciated body. He didn't say.
1121
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.360
He could see ribs, and the head he couldn't see
1122
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.760
any eyes. He said. Look, he said, it looked like marble.
1123
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.920
That's what he described it as, only he said, if
1124
01:03:56.920 --> 01:04:00.599
you could imagine white marble with a slight tinge of gray.
1125
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.159
He says. Now, I'm just mesmerized. This thing's on the
1126
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.719
edge of the golf course. I can't see eyes, and
1127
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.920
it's slowly starting to move out, he said. And at
1128
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.480
that point I'd not spoke about it to my friend.
1129
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.320
And my friend and I won't swear Steve, but he
1130
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.760
started with F and his friend said, what the F
1131
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:20.679
is that? And he said it quietly, he said, And
1132
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:24.519
as soon as he'd said it, this thing stopped. He said. No.
1133
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.639
Although I never saw it turn its head, I knew
1134
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.880
it was looking at us, he said. I just knew
1135
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.719
it was. He said, I don't know how I couldn't
1136
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.199
see eyes, but I knew it was looking at us,
1137
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.079
he said, fear just enveloped us. Both put the golf
1138
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.559
clubs away, jumped in Dad's car and drove home. So
1139
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.760
that is the story of the Lynx monster.
1140
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.079
And the modern version of that. It kind of reminds
1141
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:50.800
me of the Rake.
1142
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.119
Yeah, so I mean how far back, Steve, you'll have
1143
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.239
more knowledge of this than me do the story of
1144
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:01.199
the Rake goal.
1145
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:03.159
Yeah, I'm not really sure.
1146
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:05.920
Now a lot of people claim it's made up, that
1147
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.920
it's creepy pasta, but I believe that it's based in
1148
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.840
things that the people I've actually seen. I know people
1149
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.360
that have seen a similar creature. So again, is that
1150
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.079
a telpa is all these people talking about it and
1151
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.880
writing fictitious stories about it? Has that brought it to being?
1152
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:25.760
I'm reminded of Walter Gibson, the guy that wrote the
1153
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:32.199
old Shadow Dime novels and radio scripts. The house that
1154
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.199
he'd lived in New York. And this was a man
1155
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.840
that had six typewriters, and he would jump from one
1156
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.360
typewriter to another, so he never got writer's block.
1157
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:40.440
I do that with a computer.
1158
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.760
I work on several different stories at the same time.
1159
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:46.400
But literally he had put enough blood, sweat and tears
1160
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.760
into this creature. This person Lamark Cranston, who was the
1161
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.400
character of the Shadow in the books in the radio
1162
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:56.800
place that it started appearing in his apartment. He had
1163
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.679
some guests over for dinner one night and he saw
1164
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.519
they saw somebody dressed like the Shadow. He wore like
1165
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.239
a drape coat and a slouch hat and a scarf,
1166
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.000
and they said, oh, that that's cute. You've hired somebody
1167
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.800
to dress up like the Shadow to entertain this here.
1168
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.440
They saw him up in the galley above the kitchen
1169
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.679
or the dining room, and he said, no, he said,
1170
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.760
that's a mental I think he called it a mental
1171
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.639
image or mental impression that I see here. And he said,
1172
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.239
I've literally put so much blood, sweat and tears, wrote
1173
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.440
millions of words in these books and radio plays that
1174
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.000
it came to life, and that the apartment that he
1175
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.559
lived in in New York, it was featured on the
1176
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.320
Holzer Files where they go in and look at places
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01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:41.559
that hands Holzer talked about. The building itself has had
1178
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:46.880
lots of encounters and phenomena there, but whatever he saw there,
1179
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:48.920
he claimed that it was because he put so much
1180
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:51.320
into this character that it brought it to life. So
1181
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.159
there's your Native American topa type character.
1182
01:06:56.559 --> 01:07:01.480
Do you know. I can throw lots of belief my
1183
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:07.639
from myself into what you're talking about, because yeah, UFO
1184
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:12.360
researchers see UFO's ghost Hunter see ghosts, and it makes
1185
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.639
you wonder, are we dealing with and I'm throwing this
1186
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.960
out loosely to your listeners, are we dealing with one
1187
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:25.719
all encompassing phenomena, one intelligent other that is giving us
1188
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:30.119
what we want? You know, it's as wild as that
1189
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.760
might sound, that there may be some some kind of
1190
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:38.280
truth to it. You know, it's I believe. I can't remember.
1191
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.000
There was an experiment done where I think it was
1192
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.239
a bunch of people created a ghost called Philip, and
1193
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.079
that almost took on a life of its own if
1194
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:52.199
a ghost can. So are we creating these these things?
1195
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:55.360
Or is it the phenomena giving us what we want?
1196
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.360
I think it's a bit of both. And because I've
1197
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.559
heard of case like that where two people would have
1198
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.599
experienced at the same time, one of them saw one
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01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.480
thing and then the one right next to him saw
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01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.880
something else. Or maybe didn't see anything at all. I
1201
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.039
think it's able to pull from our subconscious and it's
1202
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.199
if it's our fear that it feeds on. It's putting
1203
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.159
something there that will scare you, or that will or
1204
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:20.840
the obverse of that would be it's putting something there
1205
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.000
that you wouldn't be afraid of, so it can observe you.
1206
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.840
And I've thought about my Black Eyed Kids encounter that
1207
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.079
I had back in the nineties. I don't even think
1208
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:31.479
that that was two little girls that I saw. I
1209
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.600
think it was something projecting itself the little girls, because
1210
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:40.600
the fear and just it's almost like a demonic feeling,
1211
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.279
if you will, the energy that was coming off though,
1212
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.880
so again I don't I don't think I actually saw
1213
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.560
what I thought I saw. And you have that in
1214
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:52.359
UFO like Whitley Strieber and his owls and things like that.
1215
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:55.960
They're screen memories or shadow memories, things that are put
1216
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.600
in your brain. And I don't know if the brain
1217
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.239
does that to keep it from toly shattering your psyche,
1218
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.600
or if whatever this entity or entities are, if they're
1219
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:05.079
putting it in.
1220
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.279
Yeah, and I know it's all speculative, and I could say, well,
1221
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.680
I think it's the entities, but I don't end at day.
1222
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.239
I don't really know. But while we're on about owls,
1223
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.600
I can relate another story now to you from two
1224
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:21.479
thousand and ten. The best the witness can do is
1225
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:24.199
twenty ten to twenty twelve that they think that this
1226
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:29.640
took place, and it's a lady. I'll not It doesn't
1227
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.840
matter to your listeners if I don't say the names,
1228
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.039
does it? Because you know, I just don't think it's
1229
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:35.960
fair on this lady. She's not said I can use
1230
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.439
her name. Yeah, a lady her son.
1231
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.279
Take cases that are anonymous or you know, please don't
1232
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:42.159
tell anybody by name.
1233
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:45.520
So well, that's what it is, and it's a first
1234
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.399
hand account. I've spoken to the people. It's a lady,
1235
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.680
her ten year old son and her sister. There were
1236
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:53.640
a fourth person in the car, but we never spoke
1237
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.760
about the fourth person. And they're on the back road
1238
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.439
into the village that I spoke about her earlier, Manby
1239
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.319
Farmstead of the Houndman. They've just come past Hunmanby Hall
1240
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.840
and they're on this unlit road, driving down on a
1241
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.399
probab approximately thirty degree incline to a small roundabout. It's
1242
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.079
not even a roundabout. It's just a white painted circling
1243
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:18.600
road because it's a very narrow road. They're driving this
1244
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.720
road down this road lovely starlit night and when you're
1245
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:24.479
on the crest of this road, you can see the
1246
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.159
sea in the distance and Hunumby Bay and it's about
1247
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:31.520
two miles away, and they can see something in the sky,
1248
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.800
a big black shape with a point on each corner.
1249
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:37.199
So we know we're looking at one of these flying
1250
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:41.039
triangles slowly coming down this road, and this object's coming
1251
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.439
towards them, and it's huge. Sister puts the window down
1252
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.319
on the car and sits on the rim of the
1253
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:53.479
door looking up at this thing as it's approaching. And
1254
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:57.399
it's low in the sky, monstrously big triangle with a
1255
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.600
glass dome or or some glass feature on the top.
1256
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.960
No sound, totally silent, and it stops literally momentarily above
1257
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:11.000
the car and then moves away at speed. And then
1258
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:14.199
they say, moves away at great speed, almost in two movements.
1259
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:18.600
The next thing that they become aware of is that
1260
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:24.000
outside the White Swan Pub in Hummanby. Now I realize
1261
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:26.279
your listeners aren't going to know these locations, but it
1262
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.640
would take about sixty to ninety seconds by car to
1263
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.880
drive to that pub from where they where they are,
1264
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.560
but she's lost or they've lost thirty minutes of time.
1265
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:39.800
She kind of comes to as she says, has come
1266
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.359
to my senses as two people past the front of
1267
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:47.039
the car, and my son in the back becomes hysterical
1268
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:50.159
and starts screaming, take me home, take me own, now,
1269
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:53.560
take me home. And we did. We took him home.
1270
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.000
Me and my sister decided to go back out and
1271
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.560
look in the direction in the car where this thing
1272
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.279
went traveled to, which would have been I think they said,
1273
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:06.560
Wold Newton. We drove out that way all on late.
1274
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.520
There's nothing there but open fields, and Woodland said we
1275
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.319
could see a cluster of lights in a field, but
1276
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:14.920
we could never get close to the cluster of lights.
1277
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.560
And we kept driving, and every time we sort of
1278
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:22.039
lost sight of them, on a slight brow of a
1279
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.920
hill or bend, would see the cluster of lights. And
1280
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.800
then suddenly a huge white owl flew at the windscreen
1281
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.279
and I hit the curb. The car came to a stop.
1282
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:36.840
We didn't damage the car or ourselves, but when we
1283
01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:40.279
restarted the car and set off again, there's no lights
1284
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.359
in the field, there's nothing. So a short but sort
1285
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:49.560
of interesting account I feel from farmstead of the houndman Land, Huntmanby,
1286
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.720
you know of a triangle sighting and you know, Steve,
1287
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.560
I've got lots more cryptid accounts, but and UFO accounts.
1288
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.199
So which direction do you want me to go?
1289
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:04.439
Well, the floor is yours, Paula. You just pick a
1290
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:10.319
direction and go. So you just yourself and I'm sure, well.
1291
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:13.640
The only reason, the only reason I said that because
1292
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.760
I've got the most incredible We're going to talk to
1293
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.720
you about some military guys that encountered a werewolf on
1294
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.800
the cliff tops on February the seventh, twenty nineteen. But
1295
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:25.079
seen as we're in Huntmanby, I think I'm going to
1296
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:30.520
stay with the Hunmanby incident, which I believe is potentially
1297
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.920
one of the biggest stories that's ever to come out
1298
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:37.520
of the United Kingdom, and every time I speak about
1299
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:40.920
it people are interested. So we'll go with Hunmanby. And
1300
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.800
if you want a selection of different accounts in as
1301
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.079
I'm talking to this, stop me, Steve, and we can
1302
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.199
do even more another time. So we're going back now
1303
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.560
to nineteen ninety six, ninety seven and ninety eight. And
1304
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.920
there's three men who have day jobs working basically with
1305
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.840
motor vehicles and sign writing motor vehicles. They have good
1306
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.439
day jobs and the in the nineteen nineties, on a
1307
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.800
night they used to finish work their day job and
1308
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:13.119
have the tea at home, then drive from Bridlington with
1309
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:17.239
eight miles to Hunmanby and work in this industrial unit,
1310
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:20.479
just the three of them on the on the industrial
1311
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:24.560
unit at Hunmanby, an half brick building with corrugated sheets
1312
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.359
all around the top. I'll give a description of the building.
1313
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.439
Huge roller shutter doors front and back, big enough to
1314
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.560
put driver a double decker bus in and park several
1315
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.600
of these inside it, and a small door at the side.
1316
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.039
All of these things are important to the story. Got
1317
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:41.800
to paint the pictury of people. And a big compound
1318
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.279
out with the back. And and I'm going to name
1319
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.159
two other men, Andrew and Dave. The third one I've
1320
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.439
spoken to. I've sat and spoke to him for hours,
1321
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:53.359
but he does not want his name using. So in June,
1322
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:56.319
July and August of ninety six, ninety seven and ninety eight,
1323
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.760
strange things began to happen. These guys have got no
1324
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.640
interest in the paranormal David was, excuse me. Andrew was
1325
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:05.479
the first to notice it. He said, he came to
1326
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:07.960
the unit after work, after his day job one night,
1327
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:10.520
and just to describe a bit more of the unit.
1328
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.119
In the bottom right hand corner, there was a toilet book,
1329
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.960
a small toilet block. On top of that was the
1330
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:18.800
boss's office. This is witness number three. I won't talk,
1331
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:22.479
I won't name, and a flight of stairs running up
1332
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.239
to his office, and above that a dark area of
1333
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.359
about four foot where before you got to the main
1334
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.760
roof of the building, he said. On top of that
1335
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.680
there was light bulbs and boxes of washers and nuts
1336
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.640
and bolts, he said, because before they took it over
1337
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.600
it was an engineering works, so there were bits of
1338
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:44.399
washers and bolts all over the place, little half filled boxers,
1339
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:46.880
he said. I'm preparing a car, and I'm rubbing a
1340
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.960
car down, he said. All lit up the building, he said,
1341
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.199
and suddenly I just caught it out of peripheral, he said,
1342
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:55.319
A piece of would come off top of this office
1343
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:59.119
block is boss's office. I went straight past my head
1344
01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.680
and it flow, he says. Now looks, he said, there's
1345
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.880
only me here. I know, he said, because boss has
1346
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:06.520
a bit of a prankster. Hease up there and he's
1347
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.199
acting about and he he said, I just pretended I
1348
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.359
weren't bothered and carried on preparing this car. Then a
1349
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:14.920
light bulb come off top. What the hell is it?
1350
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.359
Kind of puzzled, he said, trying to keep a smile
1351
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:19.920
on my face. They're not going to wind me up,
1352
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:21.840
whoever it is. And I mean, and it's coming from
1353
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.600
the top of this dark void between the office and
1354
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:29.279
the ceiling, says. Ten minutes later, David and the Boss
1355
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.920
walked through the front door, through this little side door,
1356
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:33.640
he says. So I told them what had happened, and
1357
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:36.239
they all said, oh, well, you're silly, devil, you're imagining it.
1358
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.600
Nobody else is here. There's only oos here, he says.
1359
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:42.680
And then we're all together talking and smack, he said,
1360
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.199
something inside a building on inside, and then we heard
1361
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.000
the tinkle and a washer had it the side of
1362
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.159
the building, a steel washer. Then another one, he said,
1363
01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.239
and then so this is Dune July, and August said, So.
1364
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.520
Then it built up and we were all becoming aware
1365
01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.000
of it, all three of us, he said, And you'd
1366
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.560
walk down down to the front of the to the
1367
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.239
back of the building's apologies to the back of the building.
1368
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.720
And suddenly an handful of gravel would fall in front
1369
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:11.039
of your eyes. And there's no apart from the office block,
1370
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.680
which is in the bottom right hand corner, and only
1371
01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:17.600
that's probably ten foot by ten foot in this huge
1372
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.840
building that you can drive an Arctic wagging in or
1373
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:24.720
a double decker bus. There's no other flaws to the building.
1374
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:27.880
We'd walk down and suddenly a coins had drop in
1375
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:29.720
front of your eyes, says, and you pick them up,
1376
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.640
and it's old money. It's our foreign money, so we
1377
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:37.119
can't understand it. And it just builds and builds. And
1378
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:39.800
the compound at the back was so big that they
1379
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.960
let part of the compound off to a guy who
1380
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.039
wanted to buy old caravans and strip them down and
1381
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:49.039
sell parts. He said, So we started clearing this bit
1382
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:52.479
of land and we found an old grave marker, a
1383
01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.199
wooden one made out of hardwood, and it had an
1384
01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:57.359
inscription on it. If they can't remember name, but it
1385
01:17:57.439 --> 01:17:59.560
was a young girl, and it was from a little girl,
1386
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.199
and it was from the eighteen hundreds, he said. We
1387
01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:07.319
attributed all this strange spooky behavior the washers flying about
1388
01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.760
to a poltergeist, and we thought it was the poltergeist
1389
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.039
or the ghost of this young girl. We really did that.
1390
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.520
We didn't think anything else. And I'll sort of walk
1391
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:20.600
us through this, he said, And then towards the end
1392
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.319
of August it petered out. Other things had happened, light
1393
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.800
bulbs would suddenly blow. But there's more. We'll get to
1394
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.000
all this, Steve, and I am condensing it because I
1395
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:33.199
want to fit more stories in the strange and unusual
1396
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:37.399
for your listeners. So nineteen ninety seven comes and there's
1397
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:40.520
more of the same. June, July and August for some
1398
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.960
reason said I'm working on an open top bus one evening,
1399
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:48.520
and Andrews relay most of the stories, and he said,
1400
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.199
suddenly all the lights just go very very bright in
1401
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:57.000
the unit, and a strip light above the bus falls
1402
01:18:57.039 --> 01:18:59.000
into the top of the bus. Now we realize that
1403
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:03.199
these things can happen, it said. But all the power cuts,
1404
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.000
all the lights went off, but the radio that was
1405
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:10.520
plugged in and didn't have batteries continued to play, so
1406
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:13.520
that that kind of threw us. Said, we we'd go
1407
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:17.359
outside to our vehicles, and they explained that they've got
1408
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:21.039
there about six on an evening most evenings, and they'd
1409
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:23.319
work till ten or eleven, then go home do the
1410
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:25.279
day job, then go back the next day. And on
1411
01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:27.560
a weekend they might still to stay till three am,
1412
01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.119
you know. So we'd go to our cars on a
1413
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.199
night and we'd lock the compound so that nobody could
1414
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.000
sort of get into the compound while we were working.
1415
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.479
And we're going back to the nineteen nineties. If anybody
1416
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:43.199
wants to google the industrial estate at Hunmanby, you will
1417
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.079
see now that there's still only about fifteen to twenty
1418
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:48.760
units on it. They were about four or five in
1419
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.520
the nineteen nineties. It's very close to what's called the
1420
01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:55.000
Spirit of Yorkshire where they make whiskey. So I'm just
1421
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:58.840
giving people reference points in case they are remotely interested. Said,
1422
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.119
so we locked the compound, go to our cars on
1423
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:05.079
a night to go home, and there's little triangular mounds
1424
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:09.039
of gravel on the bonnets of the cars. We can't
1425
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:12.000
work it out. We go out another time. There's moisture
1426
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:16.479
or the smattering of frost on the on the cars
1427
01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:20.039
and there'd be huge footprints on the boot, on the roof,
1428
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.800
on the bonnet of the cars. Far too big, not
1429
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:29.359
to dint the cars, but there's footprints, huge barefoot footprints
1430
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.199
on the bonnets. So then I got talking to the
1431
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.000
two of the boss, who doesn't want to be named,
1432
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.479
because I spoke to them all individually, and there's a
1433
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:39.439
lot of years and a lot of water ran under
1434
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:42.399
the bridge between these guys talking to each other. I'll
1435
01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:44.239
give you a breakdown of how I come to find
1436
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:47.800
out about the story in a moment, and is relaying
1437
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.039
just about what the other two, Andrew and David have
1438
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.199
told me. He said. But there's one night the other
1439
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:55.079
two had gone home. It's my premises. So I decided
1440
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:58.079
I was locking obviously going to go home after them,
1441
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.279
and I locked up, and I've just got to the gates.
1442
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:02.600
It's not even flood lit, and there's a big steel
1443
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.560
fence around it, about eight foot tour with spikes on top.
1444
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:08.960
So I just got this terrible feeling of fear, and
1445
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.159
I turned round and looked in. About eight to ten
1446
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:16.039
foot away from me, there's this huge outline of a
1447
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:22.079
monstrous creature on two legs. Don't see fur, don't see eyes.
1448
01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:25.039
I just see this black outline of this huge shoulders
1449
01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:29.159
head on top of this thing's just enormous, and I
1450
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:30.560
can just see it, he says. And I just go
1451
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:32.680
back to the fence and I'm breathing here people, he said,
1452
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.520
I went. I just pressed myself to the fence in fear,
1453
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:38.840
he said. And it just turned and walked into the night.
1454
01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:42.039
And all of this is happening. All of this, this
1455
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:46.039
strangeness is happening, and I I've written about it in
1456
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.920
book three. There's literally tons more to Hunmanby. So nineteen
1457
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:54.279
ninety eight comes and there's the build up June July.
1458
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:58.880
Everything's the same. They tell people. You know, people come
1459
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.199
to buy part to pick their vehicles up, people who
1460
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.000
come to have a job priced up, and things are
1461
01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:09.600
happening while they're telling people, he said, it became almost
1462
01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.680
nonchalant to us. He said it. A was sat in
1463
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.279
the front of a recovery truck one day and the
1464
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:17.359
big and wide with a big wide seat, and we've
1465
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.920
sort of working out a price to sign write his
1466
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.319
recovery truck. And suddenly there's a huge track on the
1467
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:25.159
side of the building and then you can near the
1468
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:29.239
tinkling of washers, he says. The blow. The guy who's
1469
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.039
truck it was said, what was that, he said, and
1470
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:33.920
we'd just say that's poltergeist. He said. It just became
1471
01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:37.840
the norm. We were sort of condition to it. But
1472
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.880
then Andrew started to get before we get to ninety eight,
1473
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.119
I've missed a piece out, Andrew said. I started to
1474
01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:48.439
get really cocky and aggressive towards it. He said. The
1475
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:50.880
other two had told me not to taunt it, not
1476
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:54.640
to wind it up. He said, when the coins would
1477
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.720
drop in front of your face, I would shout out,
1478
01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.439
if you're so powerful, give me some money I can spend,
1479
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.600
or if you're so good, give me the lottery numbers.
1480
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:06.159
He said. They warned me and warned me not to
1481
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:09.840
torn the phenomena, whatever this was, he says. And I'm
1482
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.119
working on her vehicle one day and I just turned round,
1483
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.960
he said, and coming towards me in slow motion is
1484
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:21.079
a coin full circle on not sideways. He said, it's
1485
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.000
almost slow said. I watched it, and he said it
1486
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:28.279
hit me, banging the forehead. He said, it really hurt.
1487
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:31.000
He said, I dropped to the floor, and the other
1488
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:33.720
two relaid the story. They were laughing when they told me.
1489
01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:36.159
They said it's spinning around, saying I've been hit. I've
1490
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:39.399
been hit, and he when he sort of showed them
1491
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:41.720
his head. And Andrew said, this is true. He said,
1492
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:44.119
I'd got this red circle in the middle of my
1493
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:47.119
head that lasted several days, so it shows intent with
1494
01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:50.720
whatever this thing was. So what I didn't tell you
1495
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:53.520
at the beginning of this is that David, the other witness,
1496
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.199
he's got memories of driving to Hunmanby and seeing a
1497
01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:00.800
flash of light in the sky where everything comes daylight
1498
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.199
for a split second, and in his words, and they
1499
01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:05.479
allowed me to record them. Steve as well, well, the
1500
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:07.800
two of them did. The other one didn't. He said,
1501
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.880
you know when you've been somewhere, you know when you've
1502
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.439
worked somewhere. He said, But I've got a memory of
1503
01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:16.359
the flash of light, but I've got no memory of anything.
1504
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.039
I don't remember going to the building. I don't remember
1505
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:22.159
getting home. Andrew's got memories of the flash of light
1506
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:25.600
as well. So there's those things in between. But on
1507
01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.479
a night, occasionally a few times a week, because they
1508
01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:31.680
went at least five or six days a week, David's
1509
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:33.479
mum and dad, because he was the youngest of these
1510
01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:36.279
three men, used to come through. Andrew says he thinks
1511
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:38.319
they were probably a bit bored, and they'd come through
1512
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.680
and stand and talk to the boss and things, and
1513
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.279
they'd bring their son a flask of tea or something,
1514
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.520
although I imagine there would have been a kettle and
1515
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.279
tea making facilities, but they'd stand and talk. So they
1516
01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:51.119
come into what I'm going to tell you next. That's
1517
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:54.920
why I fitted them into the story because and they
1518
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.359
also witnessed the phenomena, whatever this phenomena was, and I'm
1519
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.359
skirted around. There was just so much of it. So
1520
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:06.279
nineteen ninety eight August nineteen ninety eight, this particular, a
1521
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:11.079
few days before, the boss is out in the yard
1522
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:13.720
and he's having a cigarette, and there's there's a bus
1523
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.920
breaker's yard about a few days units down where they
1524
01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.640
take old busses to bits and sell parts. And they'd
1525
01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:23.720
come up and they stood talking to him and coming
1526
01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:26.520
from the sea, and there's not far from where this
1527
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:29.720
lady who saw the triangle with the sister saw the triangle.
1528
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.119
All the hers was twenty ten to twenty twelve, he said,
1529
01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.520
And this is nineteen ninety eight people, he said, there's
1530
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.600
three huge black triangles coming towards us. They're blocking out
1531
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.159
the stars. There's no lights on each corner. They're blacker
1532
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:47.479
than anything he's ever seen in his life, but they're
1533
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.760
not lit up. And we're just watching these things in
1534
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:55.159
awe and the three side by side. Just as they
1535
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:56.840
get over the top of them where they think they're
1536
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.640
going to get the best vantage point, they switch off.
1537
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:03.520
They're not there now. Whether this is almost chameleon like
1538
01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:06.920
and they realize they've been seen, or whether this is deliberate,
1539
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.399
I guess we'll never know. But the boss relaid this
1540
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:13.000
story to me when I was researching it. After finding
1541
01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:17.800
out about it, probably in twenty seventeen twenty sixteen seventeen,
1542
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:22.319
I went to the bus breakers yard, which is still there. Well,
1543
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:24.960
the unit they had their experiences in is still there,
1544
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:27.319
but it's use for a different purpose now. And I've
1545
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.560
been there as well. And the guys at the bus
1546
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.239
breakers yard, some of them still work there and they
1547
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:36.119
remember all of this, which is interesting. So where are
1548
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:41.359
we they They're seen the triangles a few days before,
1549
01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:45.880
and then they're working this particular evening in this big
1550
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:51.199
industrial sort of warehouse unit type place. The roller shutters
1551
01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.840
at the back are up about six to eight foot.
1552
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.680
And Andrews said, I walked to the roller shutters, and
1553
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:02.039
I walked down to the bottom and in the distance,
1554
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:08.159
probably thirty to forty yards away, there's a UFO, he said,
1555
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:12.520
I've never seen. It's interesting speaking to Andrew. I could
1556
01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.520
speak to him tonight. This is how crazy this story is.
1557
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:17.760
He lives two hundred yards from me, and I've known
1558
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:19.840
him for twenty years and I only found out about
1559
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.199
this in twenty seventeen. People, and I'll give you my
1560
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:25.640
reasons in a moment. Obviously they didn't want it reviving,
1561
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:27.520
he said. And I'm looking and he says, there's all
1562
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:29.319
missed around it. I said, how big was it?
1563
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:29.760
Andrew?
1564
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:32.239
He says, about as long as a flatbed truck what
1565
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:34.319
you would put a car on. He said, But it
1566
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.000
can't have been real, and he's still saying it. He
1567
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.880
says it what a film set? He said. It can't
1568
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.239
have been real, can it? I said, So, what about
1569
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.920
all other stuff that took place ninety six, seven and eight,
1570
01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:47.159
Oh yeah, that were real? What about the coin that
1571
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:48.239
you in the head? Yeah?
1572
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:48.479
Yeah?
1573
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.159
And the other stuff that you've told me that you've
1574
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:56.279
asked me not to tell people because it doesn't incriminate anyone.
1575
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.560
Nobody's done anything wrong here. People, but it just some
1576
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:01.760
of some of the things are a little bit sensitive.
1577
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:05.279
And oh yeah, all that was real, I said, So
1578
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:08.319
why in this real? He said, it just he said,
1579
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:10.680
I can't believe what I were looking at. He said,
1580
01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:13.880
there's all mist and lightning coming from it. He said,
1581
01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:17.840
all flashes of light that look electrical. And on the
1582
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.359
top of it, he says, it's a typical flying saucer
1583
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:24.720
from nineteen sixties. He said, there's a bubble and there's
1584
01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:27.760
this little being inside it, and I can see it.
1585
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.399
It's moving about, he said. And then the next thing
1586
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:33.359
I know, I'm walking back to the front of the building,
1587
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.039
and I opened the side door at the front and
1588
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:39.439
a guy dressed in black and in full military kit,
1589
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:42.800
grabs hold of me, drops me to the floor, is armed,
1590
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:47.359
swears profusely at me, threatens me, shakes me. Don't eff
1591
01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.359
in move, You stay where you are. If you know
1592
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:51.960
what's good for you, you don't move. And I've got
1593
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.640
all this on recording, and Andrew's saying, you know, proper
1594
01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:58.840
nasty whatever swear words, and he said, frighten me to death.
1595
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:02.279
So then I interviewed Dave on his own and remember
1596
01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:08.039
these guys from nineteen ninety eight to twenty seventeen. Two
1597
01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:10.680
of them at least hadn't spoken for like twelve years.
1598
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:15.560
So anyway, I interviewed David and we jump in his
1599
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:17.079
truck and we drive to hum and Be and I
1600
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:21.039
record him telling me all the events, and I said,
1601
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:25.279
and I wait, I deliberately wait with the UFO part
1602
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:28.119
of the story, because that, to me was the icing
1603
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:30.399
on the cake. And I said, what about the UFO.
1604
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:32.680
Oh yeah, yeah, there were definitely something there, he said,
1605
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:35.039
And his words were, I'll give you that. And what
1606
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.399
I've got Steve, I've got quite good recall, and I
1607
01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:40.359
can usually remember what people say. I don't mean word
1608
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:42.720
for word, but fairly close. And I remember him saying,
1609
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:45.439
I'll give you that. Yeah, it were there. I said,
1610
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:48.319
so did you see the dome on top then? And
1611
01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:52.760
the actual shape of it? And it describes it and
1612
01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:54.880
it weren't with Andrew, but it was the same night.
1613
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:57.479
And all of them find this bit odd. They don't
1614
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:01.000
remember being with each other. He said, no, he said,
1615
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.159
I was looking down from roller shutter doors and I
1616
01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:07.439
could see three beings and if they've got clothes on,
1617
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:10.359
he said, they were wet suits. He said, because I
1618
01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:13.680
just couldn't see any evidence of clothes, and the heads
1619
01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:17.000
were slightly larger than ours, and they were very thin.
1620
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:20.399
And the next thing I remember is I'm walking to
1621
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:22.479
the front of the building and I opened the side
1622
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:26.680
door and the military guy grabs hold of me, throws
1623
01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:30.800
me to the floor and threatens me. Absolutely frightened the
1624
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:34.119
life out of me. So I speak to Witness number
1625
01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:37.000
three now, who doesn't want to be named. I know
1626
01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:39.279
all of this. I'm armed with all of this information,
1627
01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.199
and all I've got is his number because the other
1628
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:44.359
two haven't spoke to him for years, but they've got
1629
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:46.960
his number. This guy was devastated when I rang him
1630
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:52.079
and wanted to speak about this, absolutely devastated, but nevertheless
1631
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.359
I pursued it. I went and dropped a book off
1632
01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.399
at his home to let him know I will hopefully
1633
01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:00.279
tell him I were genuine, And you know, I'd promised
1634
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:02.279
him I wouldn't reveal his name, and I haven't done.
1635
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.039
When he begins to tell me this story, Andrew did
1636
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:08.840
tell me that he ah one bit that Andrew would
1637
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:12.000
had not told you guys. Before Andrew walked to the
1638
01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:16.279
front of the building, he said he observed witness number three,
1639
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:19.800
as we'll call him, walking down to the craft, walking
1640
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:22.800
down to the UFO and disappearing into the mists. So
1641
01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:24.720
that was that part which I had forgot to tell
1642
01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.399
you guys. So we're jumping back to witness number three,
1643
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:31.920
and I let him tell me everything about what had happened.
1644
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:37.880
The radio playing without batteries in changing channels, the light
1645
01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:43.000
bulbs flaring and smashing, the coins, the gravel dropping to
1646
01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:45.159
the ground. It was the witness number three that told
1647
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.000
me about the big foot type creature. They didn't tell
1648
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:52.239
me that, and the host of other things including if
1649
01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:56.399
we're okay for time, Steve, I hope we are, including
1650
01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:00.960
the cars in the compound the back that were waiting
1651
01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:03.600
to be repaired, and the fact that they took batteries
1652
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.479
out of the cars so that they didn't get stolen.
1653
01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:09.159
And the radio is playing in the cars on a night,
1654
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:13.439
and somebody who was using the caravan breaking yard as
1655
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:17.039
a home you were actually staying there, falling out with
1656
01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:20.039
the boss saying, you know, can you stop the horns
1657
01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.319
bipping on a night? And the radio is playing on
1658
01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:25.800
a night because it's driving me mad, And all of
1659
01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:30.159
this excited this poltergeist type activity. So I got all
1660
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.560
of the story from the boss, and then I asked
1661
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:37.960
him about the UFO and he admitted that he'd seen
1662
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:42.199
the UFO. He'd seen one being outside of the UFO.
1663
01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:45.399
And then my last question was and Andrew said that
1664
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.439
he saw you walking down to it. And he said
1665
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.399
he'd got no recollection of that, none at all, and
1666
01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:53.680
have no reason to disbelieve him, but that's what he
1667
01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:55.239
told me. And then he walked to the front of
1668
01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:59.960
the building and incredibly, he was grabbed by military personnel
1669
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:04.159
dressed in head to toe in black, including the faces covered,
1670
01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:07.479
and dropped to the floor. So that is Hummanby. We've
1671
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:10.680
got one more element to go with this. Steve Dave's
1672
01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.359
mum and dad, who used to visit every night, drove
1673
01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.600
to to see their son and the two guys in
1674
01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.720
the compound and was stopped on the road by a
1675
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:24.039
military roadblock. But when we say military, everything was black
1676
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:26.680
black land drove as black vans. They were removed from
1677
01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:30.640
the vehicle, dragged into the back of the van, shown
1678
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:35.119
pictures and evidence that showed them that they knew everything
1679
01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:38.960
about them, all they were about everything, told them not
1680
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:41.600
to talk about anything that they're going to be told
1681
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:46.720
keep their mouths shut, basically frightened them to death. And
1682
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.800
I've really condensed Hummby because I've been on a few
1683
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:54.479
podcasts and spent two hours just talking about Humanby. So
1684
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:58.159
I hope that's given your listeners the story in a
1685
01:33:58.239 --> 01:33:59.000
condensed form.
1686
01:33:59.079 --> 01:33:59.359
Steve.
1687
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.359
Now that's brilliant and even condensed. You've got all the
1688
01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:05.960
details in there. And I just have to say your
1689
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:07.199
recall is amazing.
1690
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:10.840
Thank you. And we can carry on, Steve if you want,
1691
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.960
or you know I can. I've got loads to tell.
1692
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:18.600
Yeah, take a story and go with I said, I'm
1693
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:20.640
loving all these and I'm sure my listeners will too.
1694
01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:23.079
Well, let's just jump back to the cliff tops of
1695
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:26.520
Bemon and Speeding, which are three to four miles from
1696
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.720
where I live and where I do most of my research.
1697
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.159
And I've called this the three par of Werewolf because
1698
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:39.439
it was two military guys, obviously former soldiers, who had
1699
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.880
gone on February the seventh, twenty nineteen to Bempton Cliffs.
1700
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:48.039
There's a huge seabird colony there, the biggest gannet population
1701
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:50.520
in the United Kingdom, and lots of people go. But
1702
01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:53.199
they'd gone to do a bit of wild camping and
1703
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:56.399
the keen bird enthusiasts, and they wanted to see the
1704
01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:58.920
peregrine falcons which are up there as well, in full
1705
01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:03.000
flight early the next morning, so they arrived late and
1706
01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:06.000
they entre intend doing a late night walk on the
1707
01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:09.880
cliff tops as part of this adventure. They've both done
1708
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:13.439
to us overseas and seen conflict. So that's kind of
1709
01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:15.479
figures in what I'm going to tell you. And the
1710
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.800
first thing that Rob says to me, and I've not
1711
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.600
I've not I'm not going to name the other one,
1712
01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:22.760
but I've spoke to Rob extensively and has allowed me
1713
01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:26.119
to record him. I always say that because sometimes I'll
1714
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:29.079
play these recordings if I've got them to hand. He said,
1715
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:30.800
the air, he said, I need to tell you now,
1716
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:34.640
the air was elect He said it absolutely. Bristolin. He said,
1717
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.720
we should have known. We should have known then that
1718
01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:41.439
something was wrong. Now there's nothing here people. There's there's
1719
01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.439
a visitor center for the Seabird Colony, but on a night,
1720
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:47.920
there's nothing. You've got no street lights, you've got no houses,
1721
01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:50.880
no habitation. It's on the edge of three hundred foot
1722
01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:54.359
sheer cliffs to the North Sea and farmland behind it,
1723
01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:57.479
so nothing. So so we're walking down. We took our
1724
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:00.880
two dogs with us, says, and you know it's fenced
1725
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:03.159
off with three bar fends down the side of the cliffs,
1726
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:05.319
he says. And we shone the light and we lit
1727
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.800
a pair of yellow eyes up. He said, we're familiar
1728
01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:12.560
with deer and fox and badger. These were big eyes
1729
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.760
and they just kind of lazily looked away from us.
1730
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.960
They didn't seem startled, they said. I looked at my
1731
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:22.199
mate and I said, what the f you know, what
1732
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:25.199
could that be? So we carried on walking, and we're
1733
01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:27.079
walking down, he said all the time, he says, And
1734
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.039
it's unusual. Thing is the dogs are by our sides.
1735
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.000
They're not they're not trying to just wander off and
1736
01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:35.960
sniff around in the darkness. They're tight tours. So then
1737
01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.039
we come to a viewing platform and we stand on
1738
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:41.079
that looking out to see, and then we're shone torking,
1739
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.720
and we lit the eyes up again a little bit closer,
1740
01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:47.000
and he said, we should have known something weren't right.
1741
01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:49.239
So we carried on walking and we come to two
1742
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:52.560
gate posts. Well they're not actually gate post people. It's
1743
01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.279
a style that's had the middle bit removed, so you've
1744
01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:59.479
got these big sort of eight by eight pieces of
1745
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.199
wood into the ground. He said. We went through these posts,
1746
01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:04.880
and they said in about twelve foot in front of us.
1747
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:07.199
We shone the light and he said, I ain't got
1748
01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:09.600
a point of reference for what I was looking at.
1749
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:13.600
He says. The dogs were terrified, he said, And this
1750
01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.479
thing was hunkered down. He said, I thought it was
1751
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:19.159
a hyena at first, he said, I'm looking at this thing.
1752
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:22.720
He said. We just can't move, he said, And then
1753
01:37:22.760 --> 01:37:25.600
it stood up, and I can hear him now saying.
1754
01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.239
It stood up on two legs. He said, and it's
1755
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:31.479
got the really freaky thing. He said. It had one
1756
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:34.199
arm under its chest, and he added clavicles. I always
1757
01:37:34.199 --> 01:37:36.479
asked this. Did he have the rib cage and the
1758
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.800
bone structure of a dog or or a human, and
1759
01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.359
it added clavitals. It had a chest like a human wood.
1760
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:45.960
He said. He had one hand under its chest, and
1761
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:48.479
its finger was to the side, not to them where
1762
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:50.880
you like, where you would wave your finger and point
1763
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:53.520
sort of go come here and beckon. But it were
1764
01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:56.199
doing it to the side, he says, and we fixed
1765
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:58.239
on it. He said, my friend in the end hit
1766
01:37:58.399 --> 01:38:02.680
me on the side and we slowly backed away, and
1767
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:05.479
they're within feet of this thing, you know, within eight
1768
01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:07.720
to ten feet of this thing. He said. We got
1769
01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:10.319
in our vehicles and we did a runner and we
1770
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:12.560
did not come. I'll never come back, he said, I'll
1771
01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.479
never be back. He contacted me a lot, probably like
1772
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.920
a lot of your accounts. The way that they come
1773
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:23.960
is that people are listening for clues and explanations to
1774
01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:26.359
what they've seen themselves. And he'd heard me talking about
1775
01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:29.119
some of the werewolf accounts from the brox Of Forest,
1776
01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:32.000
which is not far away, and that's why this guy
1777
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:35.479
contacted me. But what's interesting, Steve, what's fascinating about this?
1778
01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:40.279
It was February the seventh, twenty nineteen. On February the eighth,
1779
01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:43.680
twenty twenty, I went to the cliff Tops and I
1780
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:46.600
was about five hundred yards from that location, and I
1781
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:48.800
went with an old guy called Bob Brown, a good
1782
01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:52.279
friend of mine and one of my daughters, Gemma was
1783
01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:54.760
no interest really in the paranormal, but she was staying
1784
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.079
with us till she moved house. And there were two choices.
1785
01:38:58.119 --> 01:38:59.880
She could either sit at home and watch TV. So
1786
01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:03.399
with the mum or. She jumped in car with me
1787
01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:05.600
and Boba went to cliff tops, and that's what she chose.
1788
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:09.319
I'm setting cameras up on the edge of the cliff tops,
1789
01:39:09.399 --> 01:39:11.720
expensive cameras, have took them everywhere with me, and I've
1790
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.000
put a heavy sheet over because there's loads of moisture
1791
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:16.239
in the air. And I'm doing that and I heard
1792
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:18.239
Gemmer and Bob and Jem's going, what's that, Bob, what
1793
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:21.479
is it? And they shine the torch and I didn't
1794
01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:24.319
see it, but they both claimed that they'd lit a square,
1795
01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:27.439
a glowing square of white light up on this hillside
1796
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:33.680
about probably eighty yards away. By the time I'd turn around,
1797
01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:36.640
they'd become even more animated because when they lit it up,
1798
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:40.039
it dropped to the floor and vanished. I went straight
1799
01:39:40.119 --> 01:39:42.640
up to the area of the old side. Remember this
1800
01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:47.560
is approximately a year after the paratroopers has had their encounter,
1801
01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:50.800
and within five hundred yards of their encounter, so this
1802
01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:53.920
is a year later. There's was February seventh. I was
1803
01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:57.359
there February eighth. There was nothing there. Later that night
1804
01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.520
we all got we go home. You know. I set
1805
01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:05.119
those cameras up per Steve, probably four or five times
1806
01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:07.560
a week, and you can guarantee ninety nine point nine
1807
01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:10.600
percent at time. They don't get used. As you know,
1808
01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:14.560
and explained, phenomena does not present to order. So we
1809
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:18.960
went home. Jemma stayed up and watched TV when my
1810
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.680
wife Mary went to bed. When I get up next morning,
1811
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:26.760
she's When I get up the next morning, Steve, apologies people.
1812
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:28.600
My wife's just brought me a nice cup of tea.
1813
01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:31.520
Thank you, Mary. When I get up the next morning,
1814
01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:35.840
Jemma says, I nearly called you last night, Dad, I
1815
01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:38.399
nearly woke you up. I said why, She said, I
1816
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.800
was terrified. What do you mean, Jemmy? She said, well,
1817
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:43.399
I was watching TV, and I tell you the film
1818
01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:45.960
even you were watching prison Break. I think it's Sylvester
1819
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:49.359
Stallone's and After twelve. And this room is that we
1820
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:51.279
call it the little snug Room. It's got a room
1821
01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:53.600
either side of it, and there's a brick wall behind
1822
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:56.680
it that's adjoined to our property. No others. I'm saying
1823
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.359
that to try and cancel out what she heard. She
1824
01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:02.279
said that I suddenly heard a noise she had, like thunder,
1825
01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:05.439
and I turned the TV down, she says, and right
1826
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:08.760
behind me, right on my shoulder or back of my head.
1827
01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:13.359
Something started to Growl said, I could feel like when
1828
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:15.960
you go to a rock concert. I could feel all
1829
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:22.439
my organs inside reverberating. I think she said vibrating. I'm
1830
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:25.439
adding the word reverberating here. Guys said it was terrifying.
1831
01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:30.239
I were absolutely terrified. And just like we talked, you've
1832
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.359
heard people talk about skin walker and bringing back attachments.
1833
01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:38.520
I believe that Jemma that that night took something back
1834
01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:42.000
with her from those cliff tops. You know, I know
1835
01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:44.279
it's all open for debate, and I know that they'll
1836
01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:48.119
be people from a scientific background and people from academia
1837
01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:51.880
whoill want to find explanations for what I talk about. Steve,
1838
01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:53.920
for what you talk about. But unfortunately it must be
1839
01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:56.840
frustrating for him because so far they've not found any
1840
01:41:57.039 --> 01:42:00.840
and the reports keep coming. So I can go on
1841
01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:02.399
and on, Steve, it's and tell it up to you.
1842
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.880
I just go well, for these things.
1843
01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:08.119
Yeah, I'm loving this and that low gurro grou. I mean,
1844
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:10.720
if it's enough that you can feel it, that's something
1845
01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:12.960
that's not you know, a TV or a radio or
1846
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.119
it had been so lowed. Everybody in the neighborhood would
1847
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:16.520
have heard.
1848
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:19.760
It, well, she said, she can't believe I didn't hear it. Now,
1849
01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:22.680
you know, well, if we stay on that hillside, and
1850
01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.079
you know, certain locations within the zones of high strangeness
1851
01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.880
produce even more of a it's almost like the best
1852
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.199
part of a meal, you do know what I mean.
1853
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:37.880
It's they're more prolific and more rich in the phenomena.
1854
01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.840
And this hillside back in nineteen ninety eight. And it's
1855
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:45.439
interesting that I had just been talking about nineteen ninety
1856
01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:47.840
eight with the landed UFO, but that was August. Back
1857
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:51.880
in November of nineteen ninety eight, the same hillside we've
1858
01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:55.520
just discussed with the Square of Light that Gemma. Bob
1859
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.520
Brown saw a group of rock anglers saw a spaceship
1860
01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:03.159
land So how did I get this account. I'm up
1861
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:06.279
on the cliff tops late one night, same guy, Bob Brown,
1862
01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:08.680
and there's a group of fishermen up on those cliff tops.
1863
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:12.840
These guys people. The cliffs range from two hundred feet
1864
01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:15.920
to four hundred and twenty at the tallest, and its
1865
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:19.760
sheer rock face and they fish off the top down
1866
01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:21.840
into the North Sea, believe it or not, And they
1867
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:24.960
managed to catch cordon all sorts and pull them up
1868
01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:28.279
these cliffs. So we're fishing. We're up there on the
1869
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.359
cliff tops one night and we see a rock angler,
1870
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.039
and only rock angler, with his head light on. And
1871
01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:35.920
we sat in the darkness and I don't know, half
1872
01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:38.960
an hour an hour later because they only fished tide dependent,
1873
01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:41.520
and the tide must have been receding, so they'd had enough.
1874
01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:43.239
And he's walking up and I said to Bob, I said,
1875
01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:44.840
when he gets a bit closer, because I don't want
1876
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:46.760
to startle him, I'm going to put a light on.
1877
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:49.680
And that's exactly what I did. And this rock angler
1878
01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:51.840
sort of pulled up alongside of us with his fishing
1879
01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:54.560
rod and his bait, and this will be I don't know,
1880
01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:58.079
four or five years ago. Lad's what you're up to.
1881
01:43:58.199 --> 01:43:59.960
And I told him. He says, oh, your paul aren't,
1882
01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:01.439
And they don't because so a few of them have
1883
01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.880
shared their accounts with me. I said, yeah. This guy's
1884
01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:06.760
called Mick Sigson, quite an old guy. Told me he's
1885
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:09.760
fish the cliff tops back then, he said, for forty
1886
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:12.760
nine years. Man, and boy, he said, I said, oh,
1887
01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:15.680
I said, you've seen some unusual things. Then Mick, he said,
1888
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:17.439
well I have Yeah, I said, I said, have you
1889
01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:19.840
seen the strange spheres of light that I'm trying to
1890
01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:23.039
film tonight that appear? He said he hadn't seen them.
1891
01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.760
It's fair and he said, but I have seen a
1892
01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:29.800
spaceship his exact words. I said, really. He said yeah,
1893
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:31.720
he said landed on that hill over there. And we
1894
01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:34.439
turned round the same ill where Jammer and Bob saw
1895
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.600
the square of white light. I said, really, he said yeah,
1896
01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:37.960
I said it landed on that hill. I said. He
1897
01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:40.119
said it were a club match, a fishing match in
1898
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:44.239
November nineteen ninety eight. I'd already been told this story
1899
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:46.720
by the son of one of the fishermen, but I
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01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.199
never included it in anything because it wasn't a first
1901
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:52.039
hand account, and I like first hand accounts, so I
1902
01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:55.600
kind of knew what were coming. And he said, yeah,
1903
01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.319
he said, our fishing and they don't fish together on
1904
01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:00.520
the cliff tops. There'll be two to four three hundred
1905
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:03.000
yards apart. There's no you know, and there might only
1906
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:06.279
be eight or nine men from a fishing club, he said.
1907
01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:08.319
I turned round, he said, and I thought, what's a
1908
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:11.199
combined harvester doing up there? At this time of year,
1909
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:13.680
he says, And then I realized I can see the land,
1910
01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:16.439
and I can see what I thought was the combined harvester,
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01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:19.279
but I can see sky in a gap of sky
1912
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:22.760
between them. It's what he said, blood, Yeah, because there's
1913
01:45:22.760 --> 01:45:24.760
no other that's the highest point. There's no other hills
1914
01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:27.479
behind that, so we're not getting confused with a bit
1915
01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:30.439
of mist or anything. That hill is the highest point,
1916
01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:33.399
he said. The next thing, I can hear some of
1917
01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:35.880
the lads shouting, and they've seen it and shouting. Look
1918
01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:38.720
at that. What's that? He said? And it slowly starts
1919
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:40.960
to come down on the hill, he said, And before
1920
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:44.439
it lands, there's all sparks coming off the ground. Then
1921
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:47.279
it lands and a circle of flames just goes straight
1922
01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:49.880
around it. I says, What did you do? He said?
1923
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:51.479
I packed my gear up what I could, he says,
1924
01:45:51.479 --> 01:45:53.600
And I ran, he says, and other lads did. Some
1925
01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:55.479
of them left the gear. Well. I had already been
1926
01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:58.039
told this, as I said, previously, by the son of
1927
01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:00.600
one of the fishermen, And he said his dad left
1928
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:03.079
all his fishing tackle on the cliff tops and ran
1929
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.600
and came back the next morning to collect his gear.
1930
01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:11.199
So that's nineteen ninety eight. And this hill, this this
1931
01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:16.199
sort of hub of activity, has been the place where
1932
01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:19.800
I had what I would consider to be my most
1933
01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:24.000
incredible sighting apart from my own experiences in childhood, but
1934
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:29.720
my most incredible sighting up there. And the date, gosh,
1935
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:34.439
the date would be November once again. November, Come on, Paul,
1936
01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:39.000
November fourteenth, twenty nineteen. And a guy, a good friend
1937
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:41.800
of mine called Lee Haywood, who had heard me talking
1938
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:45.439
about what I call the ILFs, the intelligent light forms.
1939
01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:50.039
That's the word I've used for them, Steve, or I
1940
01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:50.640
call them.
1941
01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:54.479
I like that you've goed a term there, well, I
1942
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:55.079
have done.
1943
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.359
For years, Steve. So I mean, feel free to quote me,
1944
01:46:57.439 --> 01:46:59.640
but you'll not have heard it come from anyone else's mouth.
1945
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.119
I left's intelligent light forms. There's another one when people
1946
01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:05.960
talk about the ods fact that I call it the
1947
01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:09.680
lower silence. You know, all things I've just used in
1948
01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:14.720
my books. But right, we'll jump into November fourteenth, twenty nineteen.
1949
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:17.920
Lee Heywood, who was a very very switched on guy,
1950
01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:23.399
very very really intelligent man, and he's not a bad guy,
1951
01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:26.880
but he wanted to find an explanation for the lights.
1952
01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:28.760
I'd been filming, and he thought we could find a
1953
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:32.720
conventional explanation, and I'd got it wrong, basically, but I
1954
01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:36.279
likely because he weren't saying it's sarcastically or condescending. So
1955
01:47:36.920 --> 01:47:38.720
that night I picked him up and we drove to
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01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:41.880
the Cliff Tops November the fourteenth. And it is quite
1957
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:43.560
a long story, this one, but we'll go with it.
1958
01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:46.079
We're driving up Cliff Lane, which is the only road
1959
01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:48.159
to the Cliff Tops. It's just under a mile long,
1960
01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:49.760
and at the end of it you've got the visitor
1961
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:52.079
center and you've got nothing else for miles around. As
1962
01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:54.920
I've said previously, he says, come on. Then Paul described
1963
01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:57.119
the lights, what do they look like? And as I'm
1964
01:47:57.199 --> 01:48:01.319
talking to him, out over the sea and orange light appears,
1965
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:05.359
doesn't fly from anywhere. And I've got four girls, and
1966
01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:07.800
people might frown on people for saying this, but it's
1967
01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:09.960
the truth. This is on my girl's life. That's how
1968
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.560
it happened. I said like that. I said like that,
1969
01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.359
and he looked and he never said anything, and then
1970
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:17.520
it just switched off. So we got to the cliff,
1971
01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:20.600
parked the car, walked down to the Cliff Tops, Paul
1972
01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:23.279
has in myself set the cameras up. As I've described,
1973
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:25.760
I do put some heavy cloths over them because of
1974
01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:28.199
the moisture, and we begin to talk and over the
1975
01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.279
course of that night, and I'm sure these things present
1976
01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:33.720
for certain people, and I'm sure it were full lee
1977
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:38.760
they presented. I think it was three times at various
1978
01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:41.279
and we'd see them. You'd see one appear and they
1979
01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:44.640
almost look like tangerines, the little oranges. And they're not
1980
01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:48.680
emitting light. That's the thing. They're vibrant, they're bright. But
1981
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:51.680
so what do I mean by that? They're not illuminating
1982
01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:53.840
the area around them. If so, if it was a flair,
1983
01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.640
the whole idea of a flair, people is to illuminate
1984
01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:59.079
the sky around them or the ground, so that they
1985
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.279
can see a boat in distress or someone who's missing.
1986
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.760
These things don't emit light, but they are bright, so
1987
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:08.960
one would light up. It doesn't fly from nowhere, bang
1988
01:49:09.079 --> 01:49:12.399
bang bang, It lights into three by the time you've
1989
01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:15.039
switched the camera on and pulled it round. Because I
1990
01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:17.359
haven't got the luxury of having some office up there
1991
01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:19.319
with I can have cameras running all the time. They've
1992
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:23.119
switched off they've gone, and that's what we're happening. So
1993
01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:26.079
I started talking to Lee. Then, you know, we're talking
1994
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:28.439
about various things. He's baffled, He's admitted he doesn't know
1995
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.880
what they are. Lee's gun armed, He's goun armed. We
1996
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:33.239
will aircraft are in the sky. What no times are
1997
01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:35.720
on As in military exercises, you can even tell you
1998
01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:38.199
names of the boats out at sea. And from the
1999
01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:40.439
altitude we were at, I could tell Lee that we
2000
01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:43.159
we were looking at I think it was seventeen miles
2001
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:46.760
to the horizon from the altitude of approximately two hundred
2002
01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:49.720
and eighty foot cliffs, so we were armed with the information.
2003
01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:54.159
I turned round to speak to Lee, and it obviously
2004
01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:58.479
stood behind me, and I'm just absolutely stunned by what
2005
01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:01.319
I see because just the brow of the hill, which
2006
01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:05.399
we've just been talking about, is the most massive ball
2007
01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:11.000
of orange light. And I'm swearing apologists people, but I was.
2008
01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.279
And I pulled the camera around, ripped the cover off it,
2009
01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:16.239
turned it on. Lee's looking at it, and as I'm
2010
01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:19.640
this camera's going to take it. So Sony n X, yeah,
2011
01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:22.680
an X eighty. You know they're not the most expensive camera,
2012
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.600
but you're still looking at a few thousand pounds worth
2013
01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:27.560
of camera takes a few seconds to start up. As
2014
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:31.760
I'm doing that, it's just imploded and gone. It's disappeared.
2015
01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:36.680
Lee described the the influence the light was giving off
2016
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:39.239
as the size of a Volkswagen beakle. It was huge
2017
01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.680
on the just in the it was below the brow
2018
01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:44.880
of the hills, and we're in that field on the
2019
01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:46.640
edge of the cliff tops. It was in the field
2020
01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:49.920
with us. But this story doesn't end there. Stephen, if
2021
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:51.960
off time, I'd like to just elaborate and go on
2022
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:52.680
a little bit further.
2023
01:50:52.760 --> 01:50:55.079
If that's please continue.
2024
01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:59.720
Yes, this so this is Lee's me relaying mine and
2025
01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:05.319
Lee He's sighting of November fourteenth, twenty nineteen. Now let's
2026
01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:08.520
jump forward to COVID and it relates to this story.
2027
01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:12.720
So there's lockdown, people can't go out allegedly, and you
2028
01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:17.800
know the countries, so to on hold, and I decide
2029
01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:19.760
that I'm going to contact one of the local farmers
2030
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.279
I know and see whether we can walk across his
2031
01:51:22.479 --> 01:51:26.880
farmland which adjoins the cliff Tops, will lower down than
2032
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:30.319
where many people would go, and set the cameras up
2033
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.039
and observe the sea. And I we're going to take
2034
01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:35.279
Bob Brown with me. And Bob we have some flats
2035
01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.760
and Bob lives in our top flat, so it's not
2036
01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:41.800
like we were breaking any rules. So fair enough, Me
2037
01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:45.039
and Bob go down. It's late evening, it's not quite dark,
2038
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:48.359
and this is during COVID. Set the cameras open whilst
2039
01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:51.279
we're down there, and it will relate to twenty nineteen people,
2040
01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:53.760
so please bear with me. So while we're down there,
2041
01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:57.359
this man walks down the same path as us, and
2042
01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.479
he's got a gun dog with him, a pointer dog,
2043
01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:03.920
pointer gun dog and evening lads even in a nice
2044
01:52:03.960 --> 01:52:06.600
relaxing time words to that effect. He says to us
2045
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:08.039
and we say yeah, he said I heard looking for
2046
01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:10.800
the seabirds, and I just nod. I'm not telling him
2047
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:14.399
we're looking for UFOs or anything unusual, because usually kind
2048
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.840
of conversations lead into a bit of sarcasm. We've all
2049
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:21.640
experienced it. So he wanders off just undren hour later.
2050
01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:25.000
He comes back, but it's now dark and we're still
2051
01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:28.039
sat there, so he knows we're not looking at seabirds,
2052
01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:30.359
so he asks us what we're doing, so I tell
2053
01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:32.960
him I'm trying to film these lights hopefully I'm hoping to,
2054
01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:36.239
you know, get them on film. And he explains to
2055
01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:38.279
me that he lived about three miles away in a
2056
01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:42.199
village called Reton. And if you've heard me speak earlier,
2057
01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:45.000
there's another village called Speton, the next to each other.
2058
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:47.600
There's just an R and an S that's different in
2059
01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:50.039
the in the names. So he lived at Reton, just
2060
01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:53.000
in case people you think I've got it wrong, he said.
2061
01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:55.199
And I've lived there for years and years, and I've
2062
01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:57.119
got windows that look out onto the sea and I've
2063
01:52:57.199 --> 01:53:00.960
never seen these lights. Fair enough, Okay, that's not a problem,
2064
01:53:01.399 --> 01:53:03.640
so he said, right, okay, then lads, enjoy your night,
2065
01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:06.680
and he just sets off to walk away into the darkness,
2066
01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:10.039
and Bob Brown says to him, hold on, mate, he says,
2067
01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:12.800
have you seen any unusual animals? He says, well, what
2068
01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:15.199
do you mean? So what we do if we talk
2069
01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:17.520
about the unusual animals? We know that there's been a
2070
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:20.439
big black cat scene up there, which aren't native to
2071
01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:22.600
the UK. So Bob said, well, there's been a big
2072
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.239
black cat scene. You haven't seen that, have you, he said,
2073
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:27.720
because that's been seen around here. So he comes back.
2074
01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:29.800
He tells his dog to sit down. He says. Look,
2075
01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.600
I'm going to tell you something now, he said. And
2076
01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.520
I've not even told my wife, he said, No, I
2077
01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:39.119
haven't seen the cat, he said. But I didn't expect
2078
01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:43.319
to have many a talking about UFOs and strange things tonight.
2079
01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:45.479
He said, I'm going to share this story with you.
2080
01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:48.600
I'm going to tell you something, he said. It's from
2081
01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:52.680
twenty nineteen, and he said, I decided to take my
2082
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:56.039
dog for a walk on the beach at Reton. You
2083
01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:59.000
can walk right to Speedon from this beach. Speton then
2084
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:01.039
is about two miles from where we were sat that
2085
01:54:01.279 --> 01:54:05.560
night during COVID. But obviously he's going back to twenty nineteen.
2086
01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:06.199
He said.
2087
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:08.359
It were a lovely, bright night. It was a full
2088
01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:12.279
moon and beautiful, crystal clear night. And I'm walking up
2089
01:54:12.319 --> 01:54:13.840
the beach, he said. And he looked down at his
2090
01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:15.960
dog and said, I tell you this dog's very clever.
2091
01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:18.640
He said, I said, what do you mean. He said, Well,
2092
01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:21.760
if he sees a rabbit, he has a slightly different
2093
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.159
stance to if he sees a pheasant, he said, And
2094
01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.479
I actually know what he's looking at. I can tell
2095
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:32.399
what kind of game he's actually smelt or seen. He said,
2096
01:54:32.439 --> 01:54:34.880
because I understand him, he said. He's a clever dog,
2097
01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:38.680
he said, But he suddenly starts looking up the cliffs. Now,
2098
01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:43.159
the steepest, the deepest cliffs are at speed and at
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four hundred and twenty feet, But where he lived, they
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start at a gradient of about twenty degrees and slowly
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go forty five forty five and slowly go vertical. And
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is it about the forty five degree mark? And he's
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near a place called Black Cliff, which is basically it's
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all black cloth. And there's loads of stories attached to
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Black Cliff that we can do sometimes, Steve. But anyway,
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he said, I stopped, and I'm looking at my dog,
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and I'm thinking, what the plumming out you've seen?
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Dog?
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Because you're acting very peculiar, said, I can see an
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animal halfway up the cliff, and I got my binoculars
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out my breast pocket and proceed to look up the cliff.
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And I don't know whether it's a big pony or
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a donkey. I can't work out what I'm looking at,
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he said. And suddenly it's as though it's seen me,
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and it stands on two legs, and I can see
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in its shape and it said, it's a dog. It's
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it's because it's a bloody dog. It's on two legs,
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it's lean. And he says, this is funny because I've
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touched on this earlier tonight. He says, have you seen
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the werewolf from Ary Potter said? He says, well, that's
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what it was. That's exactly the outline that I saw.
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I said, what did it do? He said, it turned
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and ran over the cliff on two legs. So I went,
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I've got this amazing story off this guy that we
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never expected to get during COVID lockdown. And I went
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home googled the full moon in November twenty nineteen, and
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it was November twelfth, that is, two days before myself
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01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:21.319
and Lee Haywood saw the huge sphere of light November fourteenth,
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twenty nineteen. We know it's not the exact day. I'd
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love it to fit and be at the exact day people,
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but it wasn't. But I mean, the time difference is
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minimally for me, close.
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Enough in the grand scheme of things that have these
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encounters around the same time years apart like that. Well, Paul,
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unfortunately we've run out of time here. I'll they only
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give me two hours. I could easily do another two
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hours with you. But with that said, I'd love for
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you to come back and tell us more tales of
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the unexplained.
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I would love to. It's been a pleasure, Steve, as always,
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and thank you very much, sir.
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Oh, thank you sir.
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And in parting, let the audience knowe where they can
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find your channel, your books, your documentaries, anything else that
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01:57:01.479 --> 01:57:02.199
you've got out there.
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Okay, thank you. Well. The documentariest took us three years
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to make. It's called Wolflands and it's all first hand
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accounts and covering the areas I've spoken about eastern North
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Yorkshire and it's on Amazon Prime. We're proud of Wolflands.
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It's stayed in the top one hundred. It's only just
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01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:22.800
gone out for over twelve weeks, competing against very high end,
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01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:26.399
eye budget films. The books can be obtained through my
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01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:31.199
website truthproof dot UK. The paperback versions of the books,
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01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:34.680
the kindle books are on Amazon and we run a
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01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:38.520
live stream every Thursday, seven pm UK time, and that's
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01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:42.319
the truth Proof live stream. And Steve, it's been a pleasure.
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Thank you.
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Now, the pleasure was all mine.
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Paul. You are a gentleman and a scholar, and I
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appreciate your time. I'll put links to all that in
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the show notes, but again, thank you sir. I'm gonna
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take us out of here now. Thanks everybody for listening.
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I'll see you next time. Have a good evening, everybody.
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I'm stay stalked and i'll see a little further on
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down the trail.
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Tell your animals I said, Hi. Good night everybody.