Practical Magic (1998) | Missing Frames #163

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Welcome to the Nerd Party. Hello and welcome to another
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spooky episode of Missing Frames. I'm your host, Sean Eastridge.
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Are you? Is that spooky? Do you think my audience
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will think I'm spooky?
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That was something.
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Yeah. I tried really, really hard to be spooky.
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It felt like it was your dad voice, which is cute.
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Okay. Okay, good. Well, I guess that counts. There's nothing
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spookier than dad voice. I don't even know where I
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was in the introduction. I'm Sean.
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I'm Sean.
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I'm your host for this evening, and this is Missing Frames,
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the show where we watch all of the movies we
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should have seen by this point in our lives. And
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we are going to be watching a film. And when
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I say we, I mean myself and my beautiful co-host,
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Sarah Eastridge, who is joining me. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I've
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been just in spooky dad mode this first minute of
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the entire podcast. Yes.
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That's okay.
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I'm so sorry.
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I love it. No, it's good. It's October. You need
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to be in spooky dad mode.
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Right. It's October. This is also the 10th anniversary of
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Missing Frames. I felt like I'm comfortable enough with my
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podcasting and my audience to dish out the dad.
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Reveal your true self. Yes.
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And this is to celebrate spooky season. We are in
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the mood for scares. And we're going to be watching,
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I guess this is, I mean, it's a Halloween spooky movie,
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but I don't know if it's like a scary movie.
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This is an interesting movie.
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Okay.
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Tonally.
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Well, tell the audience what we're watching.
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We're going to be watching Practical Magic, which Sean has
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not seen before. No, he's not. And I have seen
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a couple times now.
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Maybe three times. I don't think I knew about this
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movie until really this year because they did like, there's
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a sequel.
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There is a sequel.
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Which I don't think anybody is a fan of from.
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Yeah, I'm seeing pretty mixed to negative reviews. I have
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not seen it. I kind of want to, but not
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enough to go to the theaters and spend that kind
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of money just based on the reviews I've seen.
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They overestimated their fan base.
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Well, I will say even from like the stills and
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the trailer, it looks very... 2026. Very digital.
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Everything's well lit.
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Yeah. I think it just looks like a really digital movie.
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And apparently there's like ad placements and things in it.
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Just these things that really would rip me right out
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of the mood of this film. And especially like when
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we go to watch this, you'll see. It's just warm
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toned and witchy and great music. And it has all
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these things to it that I... think and what i've
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heard is kind of missing from the sequel unfortunately.
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Well enough about the sequel that neither of us have
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seen neither of us really want to see but maybe
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we will watch at some point for the show tell
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me about your relationship with this film how did you
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discover it it was i was looking at the uh
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i don't want to look at the plot details because
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i really don't know anything about this movie i feel
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like i'd seen posters of it when i was a
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kid not remotely in 1998 Young Christian kid, conservative family,
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was definitely not watching sexy witchy movies with Nicole Kidman
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and Sandra Bullock.
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Yeah.
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What was this? Is this R or is this PG-13?
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I think it's PG-13. Okay. Yeah.
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But this is not remotely.
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It could skirt on R, but I think it's a
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PG-13 for that time period also.
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Sure, but this is to say like in 1998.
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You were not watching this? Not watching this. Not in
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your purview.
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No.
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I first watched it. I didn't see it in theaters
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or anything like that. I know that. I couldn't tell
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you the year I first watched it, but it was
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probably around like 2001. You know, like a blockbuster rental
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is what I would classify this. I probably watched it
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with my friend Emily. I don't know this for sure,
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but it's like an 80% chance this is what happened
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is we rented it. It is... I will say when I,
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I don't want to tell you too much cause I
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just kind of want to see what you think, obviously. Um,
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but I will say like I going into this thought
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it was going to be something and it was not
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that thing. It was, it kind of gave me like,
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it threw me for a little bit of a loop
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when it comes to the tone. And I think if
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you were to look on like reviews of this movie,
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that is probably something that people point out quite a bit.
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I don't, I think people didn't love it when it
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came out. I could be wrong, but you're like, okay.
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I was like, I feel like it's a classic today,
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but like with a lot of these horror movies or
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this isn't a horror, it's more of a Halloweeny witchy.
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autumnal movie um but like i don't think people like
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this at all at the time now they do but
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yeah um.
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What is it what what what do you think gave
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it the cult following i guess that's probably a spoiler but.
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No actually i don't know i couldn't tell you i
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mean like okay so for me the things i love
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great music it's got a really good soundtrack like i
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said it looks really autumnal and beautiful and I really love,
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so our two main characters are sisters and it explores
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sisterhood and like a family dynamic. And I personally gravitate
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towards that in books and movies. And like, I just
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love that plot device. Um, and then also like found family.
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Like I like that a lot. Um, And then it's
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got witches. I mean, for me, that's all I need.
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But that being said, it's still not like my top,
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top movie. You know, when I think of like Halloween
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and like scary movies and witchy movies, but I still
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feel this like nostalgia for it, if that makes sense.
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And I still really enjoy the viewing experience just because
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I get all the vibes. It's like very much a
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vibe thing.
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It's just reminiscent of your rebellious teenage years.
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When I was a young witch.
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Yeah, when you were like a little rebellious teenage witch.
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Yes, that's me.
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And casting spells on boys to make them like you.
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Yeah.
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That's what I.
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Assume this movie is about. Sounds like 16-year-old Sarah.
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It doesn't get much more practical than that kind of magic. Yeah.
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I know another thing I knew because I looked this up.
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I wanted to see who directed it, which I don't
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recognize the name. I'm clicking on his Wikipedia page now
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to see what else he'd directed. Okay. He was a producer.
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He didn't really direct anything. Duke of Groove, I haven't seen.
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Addicted to Love. What is that? Meg Ryan. That's another
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in 1987. It sounds familiar. Yeah. Matthew Broderick and Meg Ryan.
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So it doesn't, I mean, he's directed a few things,
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but I don't know. It's not necessarily, I don't think
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I've seen many of these. And more importantly, the screenwriter,
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there were three, Adam Brooks, Robin Swycord, and more importantly,
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we have Akiva Goldsman, the screenwriter behind Batman Forever and
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Batman Forever. Amongst other things, I know he's an Oscar
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winner and he wrote A Beautiful Mind and amongst other things,
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but nothing quite has scaled the peak of Batman and Robin.
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That screenplay is on another level.
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I know, it's your fave.
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Yeah, this is the year after Batman and Robin came out.
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So if some of that magic, he also wrote Lost
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in Space, the film Lost in Space, which many of
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you may know. That also came out in 1998. And
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that was the film I loved at this point in time,
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just in case anyone wanted to know. That was my
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favorite film.
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He had an interesting couple of years. Yes.
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So he had a great, this is a good run.
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1995 to 1988 is definitely like no other screenwriter can compare.
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So this is also an adaptation of a book by
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Alice Hoffman. Oh. This is Practical Magic. I sold them.
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It's a book series. There's three or four, three of them,
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four of them. I fell off a little bit, but yeah.
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So this is an adaptation. I have not read the
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book though.
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Okay.
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I have read one or two of her other books.
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Really beautiful writer. Really love her writing. But shockingly, I
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own this book and I think at least the sequel,
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but I've not read them.
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Alice Hoffman. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that's another thing that I, I,
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I could, I can't really, uh, say to, was it
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a good adaptation or not? Because I have not read
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the source material. I am curious, like maybe I'll look
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this up later, but I'm curious if the, what the
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reception was book versus movie. Um, cause I love talking
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about the sequel. People did complain that the sequel was,
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film was also not really super great with the source
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material so that's another strike against that i guess but
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for this one i feel like maybe people are okay
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with it but i'm not positive but it is a
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book and it's a pretty well-rated book i believe well-reviewed
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book um.
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As a reader you never wanted to no i want.
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To i just have it yeah and now i'm kind
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of like oh it's on my shelf i.
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Should yeah maybe i i look at it i know
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nothing i don't know what this movie's about I know.
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And you're not going to know.
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I didn't know they were sisters. So now I know
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they're witchy sisters.
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They're witchy sisters.
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Something's going on in town. This is my prediction of
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the plot. Something's going on in town. There's something where
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there's going to be a love interest. Maybe there's a
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love triangle where they both love the same man.
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But also, I don't think this is going to be like, oh,
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they're just pining over the guy. What did I watch?
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Death Becomes Her, which I don't even remember if it
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was that. I don't think it was that. But this
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is going to be uh the two of them there's
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a guy that at least one of them is interested
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in and then something happens where there's like somebody there's
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another there's another dude maybe they've been wronged and they
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want to seek revenge and i don't know if they've
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been practicing witches their whole they've grown up Or if
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this is something new that they just got into and
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now they're like, oh, this is cool. Let's try this
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and let's get revenge on this stupid guy that we
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don't like.
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That's my prediction of the plot of Practical Magic.
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Yeah.
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So I.
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I don't know what to say.
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Well, don't say anything.
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I look forward to coming back.
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After we watch the movie. You also said before we
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started recording that you didn't think I would enjoy this movie.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. That's true. So my prediction for you
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is you're not going to like it.
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Yes.
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And to be fair, this is a movie I really enjoy,
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but I can also recognize that maybe it's not a
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super great movie.
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Is it better or worse than Idle Hands?
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Better.
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Okay. Better or worse than Hocus Pocus?
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Ooh. It is more serious than Hocus Pocus, so it's
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a little hard to compare the two.
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I'm just throwing movies out.
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Gosh. I feel like I'm having an existential crisis over this.
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I'm like, do I like this movie? Oh, my God.
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No, I do. It's fine.
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It's fine. We're going to make sure that this episode
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concludes with you firmly.
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Or burn me at the stake.
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It'll be the end of our marriage because you were
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so firmly set in your practical magic ways. And I
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am going to be the... What is it? Debbie Downer?
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Sure.
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Negative Nancy? Are their names Debbie and Nancy? Is that
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the two characters' names?
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No.
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That would have been amazing. Yeah. I would have really
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believed in the practical magic of this movie if that
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had been the case.
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Why do you think it's called practical magic?
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Maybe it's because... They are practically perfect in every way,
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the two of them together. And it's everything I could
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possibly want. I did the, like, Nicole Kidman, Batman Forever.
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So there's the connection there. And Nicole Kidman, I had
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a huge crush on her in Batman Forever.
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The cast is so good.
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Like, Soccer Channing is in this as well.
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Oh, great.
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Okay. And Diane West. Is that Diane West?
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Diane West.
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I could be saying that.
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No, you're saying W-I-E-S-T.
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Oh, yeah. You would probably recognize her face.
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Oh, I think I do. And it was like she
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was in a bunch of movies. And I feel like
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I don't see her in anything. Even though she is
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in things.
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She's in Hannah and Her Sisters.
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Okay. She is definitely... She's like... one of those very
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recognizable actors who now that I'm looking through it, I
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don't see a single movie that I think I have
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seen her in, but I recognize her. So I'm trying.
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To figure out what I saw. She's been around a
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long time too. Like she's been, Oh, she was in footloose.
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That's probably what I remember seeing her. And cause I
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just rewatched that with dear friends. All right. What do
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we think?
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I'm, I'm, I'm ready. I want to see your version
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of a practical magic as well.
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Well, we are going to do that and we will,
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we will see exactly what that looks like when we return.
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Now available to own on videocassette.
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All right, we're back. Um, I, uh, I was right
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in my plot prediction that there was an evil man
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who they needed to take revenge on. I just want to,
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I want to put that out there.
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All right. I'll give that to you.
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I also want to acknowledge, uh, the, the cinephile sin
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that I committed in the first part of the episode
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when we were talking about the director, Griffin Dunn. And
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I was kind of like, oh, I don't think he's
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directed much. And it looked like he was in a
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couple films. This guy is the lead in the Martin
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Scorsese film After Hours, which I've never seen.
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I haven't seen that either.
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That's going to be a future Missing Frames at some point.
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I've owned the Criterion 4K for I think a year now,
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which tracks for our record of purchasing films and leaving
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them in their shrink wrap forever.
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Forever. Years.
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Years and years. So that's... I know who this guy is.
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And he was in An American Werewolf in London. He
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plays the bestie who gets killed at the beginning and
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then is all gross and torn up throughout the movie.
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He's so good.
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He's a great actor. And so he apparently directed stuff,
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including Practical Magic. So interesting. Does it surprise you that
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I'm talking about other things rather than Practical Magic right now?
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No, because you predicted something correctly. Apparently, I did too.
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Yes.
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And you.
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How.
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Okay. Okay.
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Practical magic. Not a fan. How quickly could you tell
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I was not a fan of this movie? Because we
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were joking.
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Two minutes.
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What was the moment? Do you recall what the moment
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was where you were like, I knew, because I remember
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you just said, I knew you weren't going to like this.
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It was very early.
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In the movie. I could tell just, you know, I
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know you. I know your mannerisms. I could tell right away, but.
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When you started getting really verbal was when he gets
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hit by the.
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That's my favorite scene.
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When her husband gets hit by him.
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And you know what's funny? Our hairdresser today, because I
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got my haircut today, she was talking about... I was like, oh,
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Sarah and I, we watch Practical Magic for the podcast.
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And she was like, oh, I just watched that. And
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I was like, Sarah could tell I didn't like it
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because I kept laughing when someone died. And that was
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the scene I just described. And of course, our wonderful,
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lovely hairdresser was just like, oh, I don't know. I
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don't understand what was funny about the scene, but let
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me set it up for you. And this is why
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it was hilarious when the husband dies at the beginning,
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because he's walking and they're like setting something up where
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it's like, oh, the tone and the vibe is sort
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of foreboding. Something's going to happen to him. And it's
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kind of like, oh, he's walking in the middle of
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the road. Why? Because it's a small town. You do
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that in small towns. You can be safe and no
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one's going to hurt you. All these bikes, these cyclists
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come through and they're like, look out. And he goes, what?
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And then he kind of like looks like he is like,
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I don't know how to describe it. He's having a
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religious experience. He is just like. like embracing the cycle.
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The bikes are riding past him. The wind is blowing.
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He is so happy. And it's just, that moment was
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ridiculous enough on its own. And his reaction to it
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was so ridiculous. And then it's like, it's a bait
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and switch, which is what made it so funny to
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me was he goes, and then he turns around and goes.
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It was just like, Just perfect. Yeah.
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So yes, that I think was the moment where you're like,
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I knew you weren't. You're like, what are you laughing about?
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He just got killed. And I'm like, it was funny.
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You know, I think my conclusion is that maybe this
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isn't a movie for men. Now that I think about it,
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I don't think I've ever met a man that liked
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this movie, but all the women I know like this movie.
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It feels like... Like it.
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Was kind of written more for women.
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Yes. It's a Hallmark movie with witches, but like a
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PG-13 Hallmark movie.
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With a better 90s soundtrack. Yes.
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I love the music. With a 90s soundtrack. This is
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that era of film where the soundtrack was the selling point.
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There are lots of movies where has a great soundtrack
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and it's a great movie rush more like you know
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there's so many great films don't you.
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Think the actresses were a good selling point and they
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were both they were.
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Household yes they are like they are selling points but
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you know what i mean where it's like the soundtrack
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is like you could promote the film just by doing
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a commercial for the soundtrack yeah that era doesn't really
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exist anymore because of streaming and stuff like you don't
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really there was an era where the soundtrack was like,
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look at all these amazing artists. And then if the
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movie really didn't have anything going for it, all the
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songs pop up at random junctures. Like they don't feel
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motivated by anything emotionally. They're just there. And it's like, Oh,
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this is a great song. When, when I did the
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footloose episode with, I was on the in love with
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movies podcast with my friends, Nick and Danny. And we
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talked about footloose, which is a film that I have,
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I don't really enjoy, but I had a lot of
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fondness for it because I did the play in high school.
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And to me, that's like the prime example of a
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film that has absolutely like very little going for it
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content wise. But the soundtrack is so on point that
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people are like, it's great. And it's like, is the
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movie great though? It's got a great soundtrack. And then
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there was, like I said, there was a point in
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time where it felt like there were so many soundtracks
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coming out that I almost knew more about the soundtrack
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than the movie itself. So this reminded me of that era.
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It's the late nineties. Like that kind of stuff was
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like all over the place. So it's a long way
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of saying, yes, it was a good soundtrack.
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Yeah. I agree. Other than that, this.
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Movie, was, I think you're onto something when you say like,
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you don't know any men who actually like this movie.
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I don't think I do. I actually think like I've
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watched it with my parents and my dad was like,
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this is trash.
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It feels like it is like, this feels like something,
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I don't think my mom would enjoy the like witchcraft stuff,
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but it felt like something like, I'm like, this is
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like a, it's a PG-13 which witchy movie for moms
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and their daughters to like enjoy but like specifically like
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not mature enough for like an older daughter like it's
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something that you could have watched at the age of
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12 and really connected to and then grown up with
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it um it has a lot the vibes are strong
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a lot of vibes like you were totally right like
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the fall vibes the house which apparently they'd I don't
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know if they were saying.
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The house is really pretty.
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Well, they built it. It's not a real house. They
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built it. And I think they built the exterior. And
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I think they actually... Some of the rooms were real. Oh, wow.
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In some sense, it's like there's a sense of practicality
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to the sets and the locations. It's all very real and...
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curious at some point if we ever do watch the
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sequel which would be fun like how if that carries
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over in this digital age yeah.
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I'm like hesitant to even go there but.
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It's such terrible i know i just.
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Haven't heard many good things so it's bummer i.
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Was talking with richie today and uh my dear friend
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richie who's been on the show and he was like
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oh that's so funny you watch practical magic i watch
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practical magic too but i haven't seen the first one
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and i was like well you probably don't need to
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he's like the second one is terrible the first one
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has to be better and i'm like I don't know
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how much better the first one is, to be honest.
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Could just be like, you know, same type of stuff,
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just in a different era is kind of what I'm getting.
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One of those sequels that's like, 30 years too late.
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Like if something happened, it should have come out almost immediately.
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Although sometimes it were like, I liked the fall up
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to Hocus Pocus.
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Me too.
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Like, I still think the first one is the best one,
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but it was like, as far as sequels, 30 years later,
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it did. Okay.
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It's great that you brought that up. Cause it's a
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good example of another movie that like you and our friend, Alexis,
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we watched that together. I was not a fan, but
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you two had grown up with it. But then weirdly enough,
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I think my lack of connection and nostalgia for the original, uh,
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helped me enjoy the second one more. Like I felt
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more fun for the second one, even though I wasn't
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particularly a big fan of the first one. I think
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because I saw the first one, it gave me more
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of like, oh, this is fun. And it's not like
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the second one was great by any means, but I
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think I enjoyed it more. And I wonder if maybe
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there's something to that with Practical Magic 2. Somehow I
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doubt it. I don't think this is going to be
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that kind of situation. It's based on what I've heard. Also,
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it's like a two-hour film. minute movie and there's no
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world in which I... 30 minutes into this movie, I
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was like... I remember I paused it to look at
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the timeline and I was like, I knew it. It
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feels like it's been an hour and we're only 30 minutes.
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I think you actually said, dear God.
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Those are my exact words.
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Dear God, what have we done? I sometimes... I just
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knew though. I was like watching this. I'm like, Oh God,
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he hates it. He hates it.
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I don't know if I would say I, the movies
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I hate are ones that like, I feel like were
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personal offenses to me. Like they offended me deeply and
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this didn't offend me. I was just like, you were giggling.
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I was giggling and I was bored. And when a
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movie bores me, that's worse than like, That's what I'm saying.
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It was, that's what I'm saying. It was the worst
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outcome is that you're like, this isn't even worth my attention.
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Part of the problem. And I don't know that I
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didn't look up the differences we talked about. Neither of
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us have read the book. It would be interesting. It
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feels like a book that you would enjoy.
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I looked up just generalities after we, we filmed or
492
00:23:04.069 --> 00:23:07.069
we recorded the first part. And apparently it is darker.
493
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I didn't want to like go into it. So I
494
00:23:08.490 --> 00:23:09.430
was like, well, maybe I want to read it at
495
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some point, but apparently the themes are even darker.
496
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So yeah. That's interesting. Well, now, I was reading this. Apparently,
497
00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:18.680
Griffin Dunn, the director, the original cut of the film
498
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was darker. Oh, interesting. And the marketing team, the studio,
499
00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:24.420
were like, no, no, no. We need to– this is
500
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a PG-13 fun. We need to bring in families.
501
00:23:27.619 --> 00:23:28.500
Yeah. Okay.
502
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.140
And they kind of toned down the darkness.
503
00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:34.609
Well– That makes some sense because one of my things
504
00:23:34.670 --> 00:23:36.509
I said to you, I was like, it's tonally kind
505
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of all over the place. As someone who likes the movie,
506
00:23:39.170 --> 00:23:40.190
I recognize that.
507
00:23:40.750 --> 00:23:43.269
This is one of the most baffling films I've ever seen.
508
00:23:43.289 --> 00:23:47.059
It doesn't quite know what movie it's going to be. Yes.
509
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.880
It's on a tonal level. And I think part of
510
00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:53.200
the reason 30 minutes in I felt so exhausted, I'm like,
511
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:57.390
oh my God, there's another hour, was because my, one
512
00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:59.819
of my favorite things that anyone, any friend of mine
513
00:23:59.859 --> 00:24:02.160
has ever said is when we saw, when we saw the, um,
514
00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:05.269
not the James Gunn suicide squad, but the, the suicide
515
00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:08.309
squad with Will Smith by directed by David Ayer. Um,
516
00:24:09.369 --> 00:24:11.390
which is a terrible movie. And at the end of
517
00:24:11.430 --> 00:24:14.740
the movie, our friend Matthew shot turned to me and said, well,
518
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.259
which of the 50 movies we just watched, did you
519
00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:21.000
enjoy the most? That's how I felt watching practical magic.
520
00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:26.059
I'm like, this is 5,000 movies. And I think in
521
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.220
book form, I could see how a book that kind
522
00:24:29.269 --> 00:24:32.269
of has all these different ideas might work better. But
523
00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:37.920
on film, the movie is incredible. scatterbrained it has plot
524
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.119
add it doesn't know what it wants to focus on
525
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.880
it starts off i'm pulling up the wikipedia page because
526
00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:46.920
quite frankly i couldn't tell you what this movie was
527
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:49.599
about other than it's like sandra bullock nicole kim and
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their sisters and their witches and their mom was a
529
00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:56.119
witch there's a family there's a family curse that they
530
00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:58.440
can't fall in love because they're the people they love
531
00:24:58.589 --> 00:25:01.769
will die or the the person they love will die
532
00:25:01.789 --> 00:25:04.450
uh that's kind of like the setup for the film
533
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.849
And then it becomes like one sister is like, I'll
534
00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:10.849
never fall in love and I'll invent this fake man
535
00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:15.930
who couldn't possibly exist. And Nicole Kidman's character is like
536
00:25:15.950 --> 00:25:18.349
a skankity skank. And she's like, I am going to
537
00:25:18.369 --> 00:25:19.150
bang everybody.
538
00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:20.069
She's just a wild child.
539
00:25:20.109 --> 00:25:22.150
She's a wild child. So it's like, okay, it's a
540
00:25:22.349 --> 00:25:26.230
story about these sisters. And then like within five minutes,
541
00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:29.730
it's like, so they grow up. Nicole Kidman runs off
542
00:25:29.869 --> 00:25:32.130
to like, I'm going to the West Coast. It's like, oh, okay.
543
00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:37.410
They're living with their witch aunts. who are like kooky
544
00:25:37.710 --> 00:25:41.970
and this movie's definition of witchcraft is like, we eat
545
00:25:42.009 --> 00:25:46.759
chocolate pudding and drink in our pajamas and dance around
546
00:25:47.019 --> 00:25:53.210
the kitchen cabinet or the kitchen island. So that was strange.
547
00:25:53.930 --> 00:25:56.890
And then– but like that's– like so Nicole Kidman goes
548
00:25:56.930 --> 00:25:59.950
off and I'm like, wait. So they're separated now. Okay.
549
00:26:00.309 --> 00:26:02.730
And then Sandra Bullock like immediately falls in love and
550
00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:04.990
gets married. But I couldn't tell. Like there's a moment
551
00:26:05.009 --> 00:26:07.839
where she's like walking past this guy and then the witches,
552
00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:11.720
her witch aunts, like the wind blows and they're kind
553
00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:12.319
of like, oh.
554
00:26:12.619 --> 00:26:15.000
So they did cast a spell. Right. Or they put
555
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:17.460
like the energy out into the world to make her
556
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.180
fall in love.
557
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.640
Right, which is– Interesting.
558
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.450
Weird. Because– Why would you want to wish that future
559
00:26:24.509 --> 00:26:29.210
harm upon your niece? I don't know if I missed something.
560
00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:33.140
I've never quite understood why they would encourage her falling
561
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:35.599
in love if the end result was going to be
562
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:39.319
that that person would die. I don't totally get that.
563
00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:42.420
The movie is so bad at explaining what it's about
564
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.910
and why things happen that I was just like, why
565
00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:50.470
is the wind blowing? Why are they checking this guy out?
566
00:26:50.789 --> 00:26:52.930
And then the next thing I know, it's like Sandra Bullock,
567
00:26:52.950 --> 00:26:55.390
who is kind of like mousy and wears glasses suddenly
568
00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:58.809
is like super hot. It was like Miss Congeniality, but
569
00:26:58.849 --> 00:27:01.029
like with no explanation as to why she was like
570
00:27:01.369 --> 00:27:01.849
going from.
571
00:27:01.730 --> 00:27:04.690
Like, I don't want to be, I'm a little librarian.
572
00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.589
Girl to suddenly she's like, yes, now I'm hot and
573
00:27:06.609 --> 00:27:08.730
I have makeup and my hair is like flowing and
574
00:27:08.789 --> 00:27:10.529
she's running up to this guy and they're making out.
575
00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:12.720
And I was like, I was like, what happened?
576
00:27:13.099 --> 00:27:14.099
She dispelled.
577
00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:15.380
Right. And I didn't know.
578
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.480
She opened herself up to love.
579
00:27:16.539 --> 00:27:19.579
But why couldn't that have happened organically and naturally?
580
00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:22.279
Well, I don't know. That's a great question.
581
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.839
I was like, why? So this is in the span
582
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:28.329
of 15 minutes. It's been like, okay, so the mom,
583
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:30.569
there's a curse. The two sisters, they grow up with
584
00:27:30.589 --> 00:27:32.670
their aunts and they're magical and the town hates them.
585
00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:35.710
And then Nicole Kidman goes away. And now Sandra Bullock,
586
00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:38.170
she has a family now. It's like, she's married. She
587
00:27:38.190 --> 00:27:41.599
has kids. What is this movie about? And then- the
588
00:27:41.660 --> 00:27:45.029
glorious moment where the husband gets killed the highlight of
589
00:27:45.069 --> 00:27:47.289
the film for me one of the great moments in
590
00:27:47.309 --> 00:27:51.029
cinema history minute nine yes of the movie minute 10
591
00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:54.170
it's like he dies so then this and it was
592
00:27:54.289 --> 00:27:57.349
so unclear that they did not live in that town
593
00:27:57.630 --> 00:28:00.150
or did they live in that town because then she
594
00:28:00.250 --> 00:28:02.289
moves back in with her aunts i.
595
00:28:02.309 --> 00:28:04.750
Thought they all lived there but obviously she wasn't living
596
00:28:04.789 --> 00:28:05.250
with the.
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00:28:05.269 --> 00:28:07.910
End right yeah very like.
598
00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:10.480
They were near the water though weren't they I have
599
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.009
no idea. Now, now you're, now you're beyond my memory.
600
00:28:14.589 --> 00:28:16.609
I have a very selective memory when it comes to
601
00:28:16.630 --> 00:28:21.430
films like this, but like they, so she, the husband dies,
602
00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:24.150
she moves back in with the aunts, but then like,
603
00:28:24.349 --> 00:28:26.950
she's like standoffish with them. She's like, my daughters aren't
604
00:28:27.150 --> 00:28:29.809
ever going to learn magic. And I was like, did
605
00:28:29.849 --> 00:28:32.529
they do like, are you mad at them? Because like,
606
00:28:33.859 --> 00:28:35.819
why are you mad at them? They tricked you. Like
607
00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:36.400
what happened?
608
00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:39.039
Well, she just doesn't want her kids to fall in
609
00:28:39.099 --> 00:28:42.630
love and, have the curse happen to them so she
610
00:28:42.670 --> 00:28:45.079
wants them to not practice magic so they don't even
611
00:28:45.099 --> 00:28:45.839
and i.
612
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:47.619
Remember that was a moment i'm sure that was this
613
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.380
is the moment where you were like okay this isn't
614
00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:50.839
gonna be fun to watch this with you because i
615
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.099
was like why she's like they'll net i don't want
616
00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:55.529
you to to my daughters about magic and it was
617
00:28:55.549 --> 00:28:59.539
like why are you moving in with them then well.
618
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.920
And i said because her husband died you dummy and
619
00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:03.779
she needs family support.
620
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.740
She has enough money to open up her own store.
621
00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:12.180
This is just where sean starts nitpicking freaking everything when he.
622
00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:14.599
This is what happens though i'm not one of these
623
00:29:14.660 --> 00:29:17.319
people who's like looking for the plot holes in something
624
00:29:17.789 --> 00:29:20.589
except when the movie is so boring that I just
625
00:29:20.690 --> 00:29:25.589
have to do something. All the things become more apparent
626
00:29:25.630 --> 00:29:27.930
to me. Because there are movies I love that have
627
00:29:28.109 --> 00:29:30.369
significant plot holes that I'm like, I forgive it because
628
00:29:30.410 --> 00:29:32.869
this movie is amazing. This I was like, I just
629
00:29:32.890 --> 00:29:35.089
need something to occupy my attention because I'm so bored.
630
00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:38.369
So that happens. This is within the first 10 minutes
631
00:29:38.410 --> 00:29:41.039
of the movie. So I'm like, what is this movie about?
632
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.119
I thought it was about these sisters and their like
633
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:47.839
love or sibling rivalry. Then suddenly we're like in sunny
634
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.890
California and Nicole Kidman's like, I found this real hot
635
00:29:51.069 --> 00:29:53.609
guy and I am all, what is his name?
636
00:29:54.269 --> 00:29:55.589
Oh, I just said bats.
637
00:29:55.869 --> 00:29:56.650
Oh, bats.
638
00:29:56.670 --> 00:29:56.809
Sorry.
639
00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:00.579
Yeah, we devoured each other like bats. You made me
640
00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:03.900
rewind that because I lost it. And you were like,
641
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.559
what's so funny? And I said, did she just say
642
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.559
we devour each other like bats? What does that mean?
643
00:30:09.619 --> 00:30:11.700
And you were like, No, that's not what she said.
644
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.380
We were around it. And that's exactly what she said.
645
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.630
I don't know what that means. Listeners, please write in
646
00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.150
and let me know what you think being devoured like
647
00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:23.569
a bat means.
648
00:30:23.589 --> 00:30:24.450
His name was Jimmy.
649
00:30:24.769 --> 00:30:29.000
Jimmy. What an unassuming name for like this like hot
650
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:29.980
kind of like I think.
651
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.740
Vampiric.
652
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.339
Yeah. It looked like he had like some Spanish blood.
653
00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:35.799
Like so he kind of had this like Antonio Banderas.
654
00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:36.799
Yeah.
655
00:30:36.859 --> 00:30:41.329
Dangerous like. desperado like that and she's drugging him right
656
00:30:41.349 --> 00:30:44.650
which again i like belladonna and why is she drugging
657
00:30:44.730 --> 00:30:47.720
him because she wants him to love her no or
658
00:30:47.779 --> 00:30:49.660
she's trying to calm him down.
659
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.619
Trying to like tone down his so he's not he's.
660
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.259
So obsessed with her yeah so already i'm like i
661
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:56.519
don't like nicole kidman.
662
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.180
Because she's yeah because it was like a sedative like
663
00:30:58.220 --> 00:31:00.890
she's yeah so she's trying to calm him down yeah
664
00:31:00.930 --> 00:31:03.910
he's so into her that it's too much.
665
00:31:04.069 --> 00:31:07.750
And so she's kind she's like i love jimmy and
666
00:31:07.789 --> 00:31:10.490
like so then it's like all about that and then
667
00:31:10.630 --> 00:31:14.750
like then it's he's dangerous and i'm scared of him
668
00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:17.069
and sandra bullock's like i'm gonna go get her yeah
669
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.619
i'm like again 20 minutes into the movie what's happening
670
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.519
then the guy's insane like they go she like he's
671
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.180
been beating her so now they're trying to escape and
672
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.579
bring her back home and the guy is in the
673
00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:34.559
car with them and they he tries to he almost
674
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:38.200
chokes uh nicole kim and Sandra Bullock is like, no!
675
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.809
And they drug him, they spike the drink too much,
676
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.009
and he dies. So I'm now like, I don't know
677
00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:47.049
what this movie is about. I don't know what's happening.
678
00:31:47.569 --> 00:31:50.799
What is going on? And then I was like, oh,
679
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.720
this is Pet Sematary. They're for some reason they are
680
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:57.140
like instead of let's hide the body immediately they're like
681
00:31:57.220 --> 00:31:59.920
let's do a spell to bring him back to life
682
00:32:00.579 --> 00:32:02.750
and and we should just.
683
00:32:02.670 --> 00:32:04.269
Let bad guys be dead.
684
00:32:03.930 --> 00:32:06.490
Yes stay dead so there's like there's an idea that's
685
00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:08.369
teased early on where Sandra Bullock's like I want my
686
00:32:08.410 --> 00:32:11.390
husband to come back and the witches her witch aunts
687
00:32:11.430 --> 00:32:13.849
are like no, we can't do that because when he
688
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.009
comes back, he won't be the same. And I was like, oh,
689
00:32:16.069 --> 00:32:18.529
I just read Pet Sematary. This is the plot. So
690
00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:20.829
is this movie Pet Sematary now? It's like, no, Pet
691
00:32:20.849 --> 00:32:23.769
Sematary is just one of the thousands of stories that
692
00:32:23.789 --> 00:32:27.750
are in this movie. So they, for some inexplicable reason,
693
00:32:27.789 --> 00:32:29.829
are like, oh my God, we killed them by accident.
694
00:32:30.890 --> 00:32:33.329
We have to bring them back to life. And Sandra
695
00:32:33.349 --> 00:32:35.829
Bullock's like, no, we can't do that because if he
696
00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:38.309
comes back to life, he's going to be a terrible zombie.
697
00:32:38.329 --> 00:32:40.210
And Nicole Kidman's like, well, he won't be any worse
698
00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:43.269
than what he was. And I'm like, Is that– so
699
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.500
that's okay? That makes it okay? You're like, let's bring
700
00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:48.420
him back to life because he won't be any worse.
701
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:50.339
Spoiler, he was.
702
00:32:50.619 --> 00:32:52.279
Yeah, and then they bring him back and he's exactly
703
00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:55.299
the same except he's now an evil, more powerful spirit
704
00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:57.700
that can hurt them even more. So they decide to
705
00:32:57.740 --> 00:33:00.339
bring him back to life and then immediately they're like,
706
00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:02.980
that was a bad idea. Let's kill him again. I'm
707
00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:07.430
just like– I cannot track what this move– what is
708
00:33:07.490 --> 00:33:09.430
going on. And I'm sorry that this is just a
709
00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:12.380
beat for beat recounting of the plot, but– it is
710
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.819
so much of my reaction to this movie is like, where,
711
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:21.059
where is this going? And then I remembered Akiva Goldsman
712
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:24.809
was one of the screenwriters, Batman forever, Batman and Robin
713
00:33:24.849 --> 00:33:27.130
lost in space. Maybe that had something to do with
714
00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:30.029
the devoured like bats. Nicole Kidman played chase Meridian and
715
00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:30.769
Batman forever.
716
00:33:31.150 --> 00:33:32.769
Maybe this is what you're thinking about.
717
00:33:32.829 --> 00:33:34.789
This is where my mind was going. Instead of the movie,
718
00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:36.390
I was like, Oh, maybe he put in a little
719
00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:41.369
reference and she's thinking about Batman forever and all that stuff. I, I,
720
00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:44.680
so all of this happens within the span of 30 minutes.
721
00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:48.019
And then they're like trying to like, they bury the
722
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:50.220
body in the yard and they're like.
723
00:33:50.259 --> 00:33:50.779
It's fine.
724
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.960
It's going to be fine. Like he's okay. And of
725
00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:54.680
course it's not. And he comes out and wants to
726
00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:59.349
kill them. Then a detective or a FBI agent. I can't,
727
00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:01.569
what is it? He's an FBI agent. Yeah.
728
00:34:01.650 --> 00:34:05.470
First the lime and the coconuts. They have the dance party.
729
00:34:05.509 --> 00:34:08.030
Which that moment I was like, oh, this is probably
730
00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:08.889
why everyone.
731
00:34:08.630 --> 00:34:09.889
Thinks they like– This is a very iconic scene.
732
00:34:09.909 --> 00:34:11.110
They think they like this movie.
733
00:34:11.150 --> 00:34:13.730
You can't– I know you're busy and you're glossing over
734
00:34:13.809 --> 00:34:14.570
a very important scene.
735
00:34:14.590 --> 00:34:16.670
I was like, this is the perfect length for an
736
00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:20.530
Instagram story you can share on your feed. Oh, dumb it.
737
00:34:20.849 --> 00:34:22.599
So it made sense to me. I was like, oh,
738
00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:25.630
this is the memeable moment in the movie that everyone–
739
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.519
everyone thinks of the movie and they think of just
740
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:28.000
this one scene.
741
00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:30.699
Yes. But then they start turning against each other because
742
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.139
of the tequila, right? Yeah.
743
00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:34.659
Apparently they were really drunk in that scene.
744
00:34:35.019 --> 00:34:35.739
What? Yeah.
745
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.559
Apparently Sandra Bullock in the commentary talked about how Nicole
746
00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:42.639
Kidman had some really bad tequila that she'd brought them
747
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.320
and they all got actually drunk. It makes sense because
748
00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:46.980
it's like they're all kind of like trying to be
749
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.199
funny and none of them are funny. And I was like,
750
00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:52.000
this feels a little too honest. It feels like drunk
751
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.739
actors thinking they're way funnier than they are.
752
00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:56.420
Yeah, I guess.
753
00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:58.139
That's just my two cents. But anyway, go ahead. The
754
00:34:58.159 --> 00:34:59.119
lime and the coconut.
755
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:04.769
Jimmy's making them Yeah, so Jimmy's tequila makes them crazy
756
00:35:04.809 --> 00:35:06.289
and catty and mean and whatever.
757
00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:06.840
That's right.
758
00:35:07.579 --> 00:35:10.400
And then that's what makes them leave, just straight up
759
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.429
be like, In the morning. Remember, they're like, we're just
760
00:35:13.469 --> 00:35:15.409
going to let you clean up your own mess. And
761
00:35:15.449 --> 00:35:17.190
then they're like, we have to go somewhere. I don't
762
00:35:17.210 --> 00:35:17.690
know where they went.
763
00:35:17.710 --> 00:35:19.329
And then they leave. And then they're like, yeah, and
764
00:35:19.369 --> 00:35:22.449
your two daughters, you'll be fine. This dangerous scenario that
765
00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:24.800
you've put yourselves in where this guy's going to murder you,
766
00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:27.360
it's okay. We're going to leave you here.
767
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:32.480
I will agree with the critiques on the aunts and
768
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.340
how they were written because, again, this is like the
769
00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:37.530
second decision where you're like, well, why?
770
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.340
This is one area you agree with, Nealon.
771
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:39.980
I do.
772
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:40.420
Okay.
773
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:45.050
Congrats. But it doesn't like– again, why would they cast
774
00:35:45.110 --> 00:35:48.019
that spell knowing it would just end in like the
775
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.750
demise of someone their niece loves? And again, why would
776
00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:55.090
they say, oh, wow, things are really getting out of hand.
777
00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:57.610
We're older, more experienced witches who can guide them. No,
778
00:35:57.630 --> 00:35:58.170
they're like, peace.
779
00:35:58.449 --> 00:35:58.670
Yes.
780
00:35:58.909 --> 00:35:59.570
They're like, we have to go.
781
00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:00.210
There's a lesson to learn.
782
00:36:00.230 --> 00:36:01.469
There's a lesson to be learned.
783
00:36:01.489 --> 00:36:01.909
What's the lesson?
784
00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:03.789
And we must go somewhere.
785
00:36:03.809 --> 00:36:04.670
XYZ.
786
00:36:04.809 --> 00:36:06.750
We don't even know where they went. They just like bounced.
787
00:36:06.769 --> 00:36:08.849
They leave. They're like, we're going to Hawaii. They pack
788
00:36:08.889 --> 00:36:09.369
their bags.
789
00:36:09.409 --> 00:36:11.250
They didn't even say. They were just like, we're just going.
790
00:36:11.530 --> 00:36:14.250
And in the midst of this, the new love interest
791
00:36:14.309 --> 00:36:14.690
comes in.
792
00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:17.929
So the police officer man comes because, you know, I
793
00:36:17.949 --> 00:36:20.429
guess the car was broken. reported stolen or he was
794
00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:22.769
disappeared something like that ties back i.
795
00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:25.309
Came all the way from california to be here yes
796
00:36:25.610 --> 00:36:28.510
and he was wearing sunglasses and i immediately was like
797
00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:31.420
he's gonna take off the sunglasses and he's gonna have
798
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.719
the two colored eyes that sandra bullock predicted as a
799
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.539
kid like that was gonna be your dream but they
800
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.980
didn't make i wish i would have added an extra
801
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.420
i bumped up my rating to this movie if he
802
00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:44.610
had taken off the sunglasses i And they had zoomed
803
00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:45.050
in on his eyes.
804
00:36:45.070 --> 00:36:45.769
And you got the two eyes.
805
00:36:45.829 --> 00:36:47.630
And I got that moment. Because they didn't– he took
806
00:36:47.650 --> 00:36:49.869
the sunglasses off and they didn't acknowledge it. You don't
807
00:36:49.909 --> 00:36:50.550
see– It gets.
808
00:36:50.469 --> 00:36:52.659
Acknowledged like later with Sandra.
809
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:53.530
Yeah, when they're making out.
810
00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:55.079
I love that we don't even use– we're just using
811
00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:57.539
their real human names. I don't know what their names are.
812
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.449
I don't know who they are. And that's really what–
813
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.500
that really is what like– I mean Sandra Bullock and
814
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.199
Nicole Kibben are like fine in the movie. Like they're–
815
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.030
it's hard to not like them. The characters are insufferable
816
00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:13.119
but they are like– They're nice. It's like– Sandra Bullock
817
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.920
is just so good. I was thinking about While You
818
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.820
Were Sleeping when we did that movie. So good. Because
819
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:24.530
revisiting that episode and my thoughts on the film, I
820
00:37:25.590 --> 00:37:28.309
was just so impressed by her performance in that movie
821
00:37:28.329 --> 00:37:31.349
because that movie hinges on the concept of like this
822
00:37:31.469 --> 00:37:34.429
woman could lie to this whole family, but you still
823
00:37:34.469 --> 00:37:35.130
have to like her.
824
00:37:35.230 --> 00:37:35.699
Yeah, yeah.
825
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.820
So much of that is just Sandra Bullock. She's so lovable.
826
00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:43.070
She's so lovely. She's just– And so the writing is
827
00:37:43.110 --> 00:37:45.230
not there to help her in this movie. So she's
828
00:37:45.269 --> 00:37:47.690
kind of like coasting on her own charm and has
829
00:37:47.750 --> 00:37:50.889
no support of the film, but it's like, she's still beautiful.
830
00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:52.320
She's still charming.
831
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.940
And I do think though, like we get that with her,
832
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:00.780
especially her initial interactions with Gary, Gary, the police officer guy,
833
00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:06.059
because like she's flirting, she's kind of like, wordsmithing things
834
00:38:06.139 --> 00:38:08.679
and like, she's like, Oh yeah, I killed him twice.
835
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.460
You know, like that kind of, and I thought that
836
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:12.719
was very, like, I think that was kind of her
837
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:13.820
moment to shine. Yeah.
838
00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:14.900
She was very clearly.
839
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.860
It was very like.
840
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.699
Once she got to start flirting with the guy, which
841
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.510
is again, was very funny. Cause he comes in very
842
00:38:21.570 --> 00:38:23.889
no nonsense. And then he's like, here, let me help
843
00:38:23.929 --> 00:38:25.590
you guys make pancakes.
844
00:38:26.269 --> 00:38:27.869
I'll be your new stepdaddy.
845
00:38:27.969 --> 00:38:31.110
Now, to be fair, Sandra Bullock, like if I was
846
00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:34.239
a police officer and interrogating her, I would probably be like,
847
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:36.639
I can make you pancakes. And it's like, can you?
848
00:38:36.699 --> 00:38:39.340
I don't think you can make pancakes. I'm like, no.
849
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:45.019
But I, I, I, I, That relationship felt weird. And
850
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.119
then it was funny when they revealed the two eyeballs,
851
00:38:47.179 --> 00:38:49.360
the different colored eyes, which I was like, oh, they
852
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:51.780
should have done it with the sunglasses. And then in
853
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.320
the meantime, Jimmy is trying to kill them. And then
854
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.590
like Nicole Kidman sort of like disappears from the movie.
855
00:38:59.610 --> 00:39:01.590
She's just kind of in the background and then just
856
00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:02.409
sort of becomes.
857
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.960
Oh, Jimmy's a serial killer. We forgot that.
858
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:07.820
Oh, yeah. He's a serial. He's killed other women.
859
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:08.820
The police officer.
860
00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:12.820
Yes. Very nasty guy. So it's like Sandra Bullock's like,
861
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.739
why should the world like, well, who cares? We kill
862
00:39:14.860 --> 00:39:16.019
one more serial killer is.
863
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.880
Out of the world. Yeah. Dead everyone a favor.
864
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.449
Exactly. And so Nicole Kidman at a certain point, like
865
00:39:21.489 --> 00:39:25.710
just kind of disappears from the movie. And I was I.
866
00:39:27.449 --> 00:39:29.949
didn't like this movie, Sarah. This is not a good movie.
867
00:39:29.969 --> 00:39:30.840
Yes, I am aware.
868
00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:33.380
I did find it interesting though. So apparently the production
869
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:35.960
on this was delayed because Nicole Kidman was doing Eyes
870
00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:38.519
Wide Shut before this. And Eyes Wide Shut, of course,
871
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.579
is the last movie and went way over schedule. And
872
00:39:41.659 --> 00:39:44.960
so Mission Impossible 2 was delayed for Tom. And this
873
00:39:45.019 --> 00:39:47.280
movie was the movie that got delayed for Nicole. And
874
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.369
Nicole struggled during the film. Because she was so used
875
00:39:51.389 --> 00:39:54.469
to doing like zillions of takes for Kubrick. And now
876
00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:59.110
she was like– One take. Yeah. It was much more efficient.
877
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.659
So she really apparently struggled with that. This is all
878
00:40:01.699 --> 00:40:04.860
to say she becomes like possessed by Jimmy and then
879
00:40:04.900 --> 00:40:09.079
just– climax of the film is they have to exorcise
880
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.070
the demon, but they're like, let's get all the fun
881
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.769
moms who have hated us throughout the whole... The aunts
882
00:40:13.809 --> 00:40:14.210
come back.
883
00:40:14.230 --> 00:40:14.969
They get a coven.
884
00:40:15.010 --> 00:40:16.989
Yeah, the aunts come back and they're like, we're going
885
00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:18.849
to do a coven. And I'm like, where were you
886
00:40:18.909 --> 00:40:22.429
guys this whole time? What's going on? All the crazy
887
00:40:22.469 --> 00:40:25.539
moms in town who hate them are suddenly like, wait,
888
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.139
I kind of like witches. Let's go. And they all
889
00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:32.139
come over and the music is really silly and uplifting.
890
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.440
And I'm like, is this a family film? Why is this...
891
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.340
Why is the score doing– Alan Silvestri did the score,
892
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.360
a very famous composer, Back to the Future, amongst many
893
00:40:42.409 --> 00:40:47.469
other– The Avengers. They bring the moms in and the
894
00:40:47.489 --> 00:40:50.289
music is very– I felt like I was watching a
895
00:40:50.730 --> 00:40:53.829
movie with my mom. I could just see myself being like,
896
00:40:53.889 --> 00:40:55.809
I don't understand this, but I know why my mom
897
00:40:55.829 --> 00:41:00.119
would like this. And then they exercise– demon and they
898
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:02.820
sweep the demon out the door and it's really cute
899
00:41:02.900 --> 00:41:05.030
and it just the whole time i felt like this
900
00:41:05.090 --> 00:41:10.110
is a movie for moms and teenage girls who want
901
00:41:10.210 --> 00:41:14.630
who are edgy and want to practice witchcraft but really
902
00:41:14.690 --> 00:41:17.349
when they want to practice witchcraft what they want is
903
00:41:17.369 --> 00:41:25.949
a What's that song? Kiss me. Kiss me. Yeah. That's
904
00:41:25.969 --> 00:41:29.789
the sound. That's basically the soundtrack to this movie is
905
00:41:29.869 --> 00:41:30.590
that vibe.
906
00:41:30.849 --> 00:41:33.250
Yeah. You're going to make some enemies, I think.
907
00:41:33.429 --> 00:41:35.820
I think so. I'm okay with it.
908
00:41:35.929 --> 00:41:37.969
All the moms are going to come after you.
909
00:41:38.050 --> 00:41:39.920
All the moms who listen to this podcast are going
910
00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:45.119
to hate me. But I do think after all my
911
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.860
spewing of negativity, let's dial it back a little bit.
912
00:41:51.019 --> 00:41:51.260
Okay.
913
00:41:51.590 --> 00:41:55.800
And let's talk about watching you watching this movie and
914
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:01.039
loving it. And does, despite the, the things that you
915
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.599
yourself were like, yeah, it's not like, it's kind of
916
00:42:04.460 --> 00:42:08.630
rambling and all over the place. Totally. But you're still, I,
917
00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:12.190
it has a, you have a fondness for it. Does
918
00:42:12.250 --> 00:42:14.730
it still hold a soft spot in your heart? Like
919
00:42:14.869 --> 00:42:18.730
other films like Hocus Pocus, or is it more something
920
00:42:18.789 --> 00:42:20.309
that's like a guilty pleasure?
921
00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:24.480
I would probably put it more in the guilty pleasure category.
922
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:28.320
It's still very nostalgic for me. I still like the
923
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.860
look of the film and just the overall vibes. I
924
00:42:31.900 --> 00:42:35.730
love Massachusetts. I love, yeah, it's got those warm tones
925
00:42:35.769 --> 00:42:39.469
that we don't get anymore. I just, I'm a sucker
926
00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:42.210
for that. And watching it, like you said, at a
927
00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:44.809
young age, it left an impression. And I was like,
928
00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:47.969
My God, they're so cool. Yes.
929
00:42:47.989 --> 00:42:50.550
You know, I was just like, this is so cool.
930
00:42:50.590 --> 00:42:52.050
I can see a 12 year old girl being like,
931
00:42:52.309 --> 00:42:54.010
I want to. Yeah. That's when I grow.
932
00:42:54.030 --> 00:42:56.610
Yeah. So I still think like it holds up in
933
00:42:56.650 --> 00:42:59.480
my mind. I never really had it on a pedestal
934
00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:04.039
because like I was aware of the shortcomings. I definitely
935
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.619
don't like dislike it as much as you in that regard.
936
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.280
Like you, but again, like you are not a cute
937
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:12.039
little 12, 13 year old girl watching this movie with
938
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.030
your friends at a sleepover. Okay. It's like, there is
939
00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:18.429
just like, there is a, a piece missing here that
940
00:43:18.610 --> 00:43:20.329
I think, and again, I think it's just, it was
941
00:43:20.429 --> 00:43:24.429
really marketed towards women and young girls and like that,
942
00:43:24.909 --> 00:43:29.760
the soundtrack, the vibes, the witchiness, the sisterhood, like, I
943
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.690
think it was just marketed for women, really. Well, I
944
00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:34.809
don't know how it was marketed. I'm assuming that is
945
00:43:34.829 --> 00:43:35.409
kind of how it was marketed.
946
00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:37.550
Yeah, it would be interesting to watch a trailer for this.
947
00:43:37.630 --> 00:43:40.760
I'm sure it's got the same like, oh, it's so cute,
948
00:43:40.820 --> 00:43:45.480
like that vibe because that's what the studio wanted. Well, yeah.
949
00:43:45.940 --> 00:43:47.800
And then ironically, the film didn't do well at the
950
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.320
box office. Nobody liked it. I mean, the critics didn't
951
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:50.760
like it.
952
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.039
Sure, that's fair.
953
00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:54.389
So what happened? As far as the cult following, like,
954
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:56.539
Cause this, again, this.
955
00:43:56.420 --> 00:43:59.570
Is probably just hit streaming and then it boomed. I
956
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:00.010
don't know.
957
00:44:00.030 --> 00:44:00.690
Yeah, maybe.
958
00:44:00.710 --> 00:44:04.570
Or moms like, cause like, okay, I'm 39. I have
959
00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:06.329
a five year old. I'm kind of an, I guess
960
00:44:06.369 --> 00:44:08.590
an older mom a little bit compared to some other
961
00:44:08.630 --> 00:44:11.130
people that have kids earlier. But it's like, I imagine
962
00:44:11.170 --> 00:44:14.409
this is a, a movie that when you're a little older,
963
00:44:14.429 --> 00:44:15.739
you start showing your kids.
964
00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:16.860
Yeah.
965
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.840
Um, No, maybe not. I don't know. Maybe it's more
966
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.070
you show the focus.
967
00:44:22.110 --> 00:44:25.789
Again, it's a very female-oriented movie. It's a mom's and
968
00:44:25.829 --> 00:44:30.010
daughter's movie. So I don't have much connection to that.
969
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:30.400
You're not a mom.
970
00:44:30.409 --> 00:44:32.570
I don't have much insight personally into that.
971
00:44:32.590 --> 00:44:33.489
And you don't have a daughter.
972
00:44:33.670 --> 00:44:34.909
And I don't have a daughter.
973
00:44:34.929 --> 00:44:37.070
Yeah, I don't know.
974
00:44:37.170 --> 00:44:41.449
I feel like there are mother-daughter films that do this better.
975
00:44:41.469 --> 00:44:41.699
Yeah.
976
00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:46.070
I mean, yeah, again, the witchy stuff and the, and maybe,
977
00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:47.929
you know, I'm also thinking of like, I haven't watched
978
00:44:47.969 --> 00:44:49.630
it yet, but Gilmore girls, I feel like is a
979
00:44:49.670 --> 00:44:52.849
similar vibe without the witchcraft stuff. So yes.
980
00:44:52.929 --> 00:44:53.250
Yeah.
981
00:44:53.269 --> 00:44:55.570
And that is a show that I feel like I
982
00:44:55.590 --> 00:44:56.269
would enjoy.
983
00:44:56.349 --> 00:44:57.590
It's a much smarter show.
984
00:44:57.630 --> 00:45:00.230
Like the writing, the demographic is the same. You know
985
00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:02.909
what I mean? So I'm saying don't, it's the same
986
00:45:02.949 --> 00:45:05.309
thing as people saying like, Oh, it's just a kid's movie.
987
00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:07.730
It's like, okay. Some of the greatest movies of all
988
00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:10.719
time are just kids movies. So I'm like, That's where
989
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.530
I get disappointed and that's where I think a lot
990
00:45:12.550 --> 00:45:15.130
of my frustration comes in whenever I don't like a movie.
991
00:45:15.170 --> 00:45:17.570
It's like, that's not an excuse to be like, oh,
992
00:45:17.630 --> 00:45:20.190
it's just a mom-daughter movie. It's like, no, but that's
993
00:45:20.210 --> 00:45:24.119
not an excuse to shortchange them. Give them a better movie.
994
00:45:24.340 --> 00:45:27.980
I just think for me, nostalgia is a very powerful tool.
995
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.480
And it's like, I would put this in the same
996
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.949
bucket as Twilight. I still watch the Twilight movies and
997
00:45:36.030 --> 00:45:38.769
I like them. And I recognize they are not good movies.
998
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.460
But my watching experience is good. Yes. Does that make sense?
999
00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:44.800
So this is kind of like that kind of– I
1000
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:46.739
put that in that bucket where I can recognize, okay,
1001
00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:49.139
it is not the greatest movie, but I have fun
1002
00:45:49.179 --> 00:45:51.559
watching it. Yeah. I like Twilight more than this movie.
1003
00:45:51.579 --> 00:45:52.619
That's all that matters to me.
1004
00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:55.900
Okay. That's okay. I think that's perfectly fine. I think
1005
00:45:55.940 --> 00:45:58.760
Missing Frames has taught us– if it's taught us nothing
1006
00:45:58.820 --> 00:46:01.320
else in the past 10 years, it's taught us that
1007
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:02.260
nostalgia is a power.
1008
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.440
I knew you were not going to like that. Like,
1009
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.280
I just was like, God, do I even want to
1010
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.760
do this? He's going to hate it.
1011
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:14.070
I'm actually genuinely surprised we've managed to like, I've, because
1012
00:46:14.090 --> 00:46:15.530
it's been a little while since we watched it. I'm
1013
00:46:15.570 --> 00:46:17.789
shocked that I remembered so many specific moments.
1014
00:46:17.969 --> 00:46:19.809
It really seared into your memory.
1015
00:46:20.070 --> 00:46:22.269
I think honestly, the thing that I, the things that
1016
00:46:22.289 --> 00:46:24.670
I did like about it is like the tone. Certainly.
1017
00:46:24.690 --> 00:46:29.590
I see flashes of like, they're fun ideas here. I
1018
00:46:29.650 --> 00:46:32.670
wish they hadn't like, I wish they had not separated
1019
00:46:32.730 --> 00:46:34.869
the sisters and made them both go off on their
1020
00:46:34.949 --> 00:46:38.090
own with their own story. I wish the majority of
1021
00:46:38.170 --> 00:46:42.469
the film was about their relationship instead of like, they're
1022
00:46:42.510 --> 00:46:44.969
both off kind of doing their own thing. They only
1023
00:46:45.030 --> 00:46:47.780
come together to kill this guy. And then even then,
1024
00:46:47.989 --> 00:46:51.800
even though they're connected by that event, Sandra Bullock is
1025
00:46:51.820 --> 00:46:53.519
falling in love with this guy. And Nicole Kim is
1026
00:46:53.539 --> 00:46:55.840
kind of just like, I'm just here. And now I'm
1027
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:59.300
getting possessed by Jimmy. I wish the film had focused
1028
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.260
more on their relationship. relationship and my silly stupid prediction
1029
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:05.440
of like there's being a love triangle would have been
1030
00:47:05.500 --> 00:47:07.739
way better because that's a way to get them like
1031
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.630
you know the movies about them um i did like
1032
00:47:10.929 --> 00:47:14.469
the relationship between the cop and sandra bullock because i
1033
00:47:14.929 --> 00:47:18.099
think both actors were really yeah that was and their
1034
00:47:18.139 --> 00:47:20.900
chemistry felt very good yeah i thought it was silly
1035
00:47:21.139 --> 00:47:24.750
how quickly He just let his guard down and was like,
1036
00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:25.429
I love her.
1037
00:47:25.510 --> 00:47:27.380
And he's like, I'll cover up the murder for her.
1038
00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:30.210
No problem. I was like, oh, it's Sandra Bullock. Okay,
1039
00:47:30.230 --> 00:47:33.179
this is fine. But they're like falling in love so quickly.
1040
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.460
And then like how little they did with the daughters too.
1041
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.039
Like why did Sandra Bullock need to have kids at all?
1042
00:47:41.949 --> 00:47:43.610
Like what did they do?
1043
00:47:45.869 --> 00:47:46.369
Yeah, I don't know.
1044
00:47:46.389 --> 00:47:48.550
Because there was a thing where she's like, the kids
1045
00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:51.110
were yelling at them, you're a witch, you're a witch.
1046
00:47:51.510 --> 00:47:54.099
And then it was the line, Sandra Bullock goes, can't
1047
00:47:54.139 --> 00:47:55.619
they come up with a better rhyme? And I'm like,
1048
00:47:55.659 --> 00:47:58.559
that's not a rhyme. They're just chanting you're a witch
1049
00:47:58.699 --> 00:48:02.800
over and over again. But Evan Rachel Wood goes, I
1050
00:48:02.860 --> 00:48:04.920
hope you get chicken pox. And then later on, one
1051
00:48:04.940 --> 00:48:07.119
of the kids has chicken pox. And it's like, oh,
1052
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.510
they have magic. But it's not even about we're raising
1053
00:48:10.630 --> 00:48:13.289
these daughters who are dealing with their magic. What happened?
1054
00:48:13.329 --> 00:48:15.630
I'm sorry. I just remembered I took a note.
1055
00:48:15.849 --> 00:48:16.289
Oh, okay.
1056
00:48:16.630 --> 00:48:17.550
During the film.
1057
00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:19.489
This is the only note you took?
1058
00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:21.429
The only note. I just want to read it to you.
1059
00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:21.789
Okay.
1060
00:48:21.889 --> 00:48:24.590
It says, practical magic. And then in quotes, this is
1061
00:48:24.650 --> 00:48:26.090
more confusing than Eraserhead.
1062
00:48:26.110 --> 00:48:26.190
Okay.
1063
00:48:27.869 --> 00:48:30.690
And that is the only thing I wrote down. Sean
1064
00:48:30.730 --> 00:48:32.769
said many things during this film, but that one I
1065
00:48:32.809 --> 00:48:34.889
was like, I'm going to have to remember that one.
1066
00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:37.550
I still understand Eraserhead more than this movie.
1067
00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:39.780
I think it sums up your viewing.
1068
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.619
Yes. Experience. Well, I would always rather be watching Eraserhead,
1069
00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:46.409
but certainly I.
1070
00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:49.820
But you didn't say this is better or this is worse.
1071
00:48:49.940 --> 00:48:54.530
I appreciate the clarity of David Lynch's vision in Eraserhead, but...
1072
00:48:55.150 --> 00:48:57.829
that is not on display in.
1073
00:48:57.809 --> 00:49:01.070
Practical how often do you hear i appreciate david lynch's
1074
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.280
clarity i appreciate.
1075
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:08.360
How much david lynch cares about my understanding his film.
1076
00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:11.260
What is what if like you found out that david
1077
00:49:11.300 --> 00:49:15.230
lynch's favorite movie was practical magic like would that change your.
1078
00:49:15.090 --> 00:49:18.510
Mind no like two beautiful women like you know weird
1079
00:49:18.570 --> 00:49:20.579
magic kooky stuff i could just see him being like
1080
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:25.260
sandy you were great in practical magic boy what a
1081
00:49:25.409 --> 00:49:28.889
great film i wish he could have been around to
1082
00:49:28.909 --> 00:49:33.110
direct practical magic too i guarantee you that would have
1083
00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:37.880
been amazing But Mulholland Drive maybe got some inspiration from
1084
00:49:38.539 --> 00:49:48.179
Practical Magic a little bit. Two female protagonists, some weird craziness. Fun,
1085
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:54.380
interesting movie. Certainly not really a spooky movie, but Halloween vibes.
1086
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:58.519
Vibes. Sure. Yes. You got to see it for the vibes.
1087
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.139
Yes. Practical Magic 2, will we ever.
1088
00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:04.809
Come back to it.
1089
00:50:05.070 --> 00:50:07.349
I might, you know, if it comes to streaming, like
1090
00:50:07.429 --> 00:50:09.050
I'm not going to the movie theater. Well, I don't
1091
00:50:09.070 --> 00:50:10.389
even think it's still in the theaters.
1092
00:50:10.449 --> 00:50:12.510
Nobody went to see it, which is so.
1093
00:50:12.409 --> 00:50:16.550
Funny when it comes to Disney plus or HBO or whatever. Um, yeah,
1094
00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:19.440
I might watch it, but I also just like everything
1095
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:24.019
I'm reading people like the people who love the first
1096
00:50:24.059 --> 00:50:26.880
practical magic are like, wow, that was freaking depressing. And
1097
00:50:26.900 --> 00:50:28.179
I'm like, I don't know if I want to subject
1098
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.260
myself to that. Like if you, if, if it's a
1099
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:36.010
movie that zaps all of that, like, charm and.
1100
00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:38.130
So we know akiva goldsman wrote it i wonder who
1101
00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:44.960
um i don't think they brought back the director 36
1102
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:48.360
on rotten tomatoes though to be fair the first one
1103
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:53.300
i think is hovering right around there suzanne beer directed
1104
00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:56.809
it i don't recognize her name wait no she does
1105
00:50:56.829 --> 00:51:00.210
sound familiar oh she directed bird box with sandra.
1106
00:50:59.829 --> 00:51:02.590
Bullock oh okay um i don't know if that was
1107
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:03.960
good but i i know a lot.
1108
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:09.659
Of people don't recognize any other films she made she's.
1109
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.539
Made um bird box was probably her big one because
1110
00:51:11.739 --> 00:51:15.639
that did really well on was it netflix right yeah
1111
00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:17.760
i never saw that i just didn't she have a
1112
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:19.599
blindfold on the whole movie was.
1113
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.639
It yeah something it for some reason reminded me of
1114
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.130
um uh, what's the movie quiet place. Like it was some, like,
1115
00:51:27.190 --> 00:51:28.730
it was like, Oh, you have to be quiet. But
1116
00:51:28.750 --> 00:51:30.690
this is like, Oh, you can't look at them.
1117
00:51:30.789 --> 00:51:31.610
I don't know.
1118
00:51:32.309 --> 00:51:34.570
Um, I'm trying to just find any, I think the
1119
00:51:34.610 --> 00:51:37.610
most interesting, like the film, the original film was kind
1120
00:51:37.659 --> 00:51:41.030
of a critical and financial failure, but developed a cult following.
1121
00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:43.840
But then this one is also a critical and financial.
1122
00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:46.599
I just know Evan Rachel would wasn't asked back or something.
1123
00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:49.960
I don't know if they wrote her out. Like, I
1124
00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:50.460
don't know if.
1125
00:51:51.739 --> 00:51:54.710
No. Cause I think isn't Macy Williams, her daughter. I
1126
00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:55.110
don't know.
1127
00:51:55.210 --> 00:51:56.849
I assume, but I have no idea.
1128
00:51:57.710 --> 00:52:01.900
So Akiva Goldsman, if you're going to bring back one screenwriter,
1129
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:05.960
at least bring back Akiva. And there are two different screenwriters.
1130
00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:08.380
And this says it was based on The Book of
1131
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.300
Magic by Alice Hoffman, but apparently has nothing to do.
1132
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:14.139
With The Book of Magic. I think it's a trilogy
1133
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.949
or there's like three books in this series that follows
1134
00:52:17.250 --> 00:52:18.849
maybe the sisters or the aunts.
1135
00:52:19.369 --> 00:52:20.730
I'm trying to just see like.
1136
00:52:25.110 --> 00:52:30.360
Yeah. I'm reading just the first paragraph and it's 130 minutes.
1137
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.139
There's no reason on God's green earth this movie needs
1138
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:36.230
to be 130 minutes. No.
1139
00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:36.530
90 minutes.
1140
00:52:36.809 --> 00:52:39.909
Something tells me this is probably insufferable and that I
1141
00:52:39.949 --> 00:52:41.829
would die watching it.
1142
00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:46.760
I watched the trailer and it was so like– the
1143
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.190
way it was lit, it was just so like digital
1144
00:52:49.210 --> 00:52:51.289
looking and like– I hate that so much. You know
1145
00:52:51.329 --> 00:52:54.079
that white light that you see and like that really
1146
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:56.840
bright white light. I don't know what– LED.
1147
00:52:56.900 --> 00:52:57.579
Yeah, fluorescent.
1148
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:58.719
I guess that's what I'm thinking of.
1149
00:52:58.739 --> 00:53:02.900
I don't know why people keep using that because it
1150
00:53:03.219 --> 00:53:06.389
looks so bad and it makes the movie look cheaper
1151
00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:11.389
and it just feels like you can't possibly with your
1152
00:53:11.389 --> 00:53:15.500
$ 100 million budget get a better– No offense to whoever
1153
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:18.340
shot the movie. You can't get better lighting, a better cinematographer.
1154
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.849
Why? I think you can use some of those lights,
1155
00:53:20.889 --> 00:53:22.289
but how are you going to use them?
1156
00:53:23.429 --> 00:53:26.570
Particularly with a film like where the original was so like,
1157
00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:28.570
there's a lot of color and a lot of thought
1158
00:53:28.610 --> 00:53:31.550
put into the production design to make it. Yeah. So
1159
00:53:31.570 --> 00:53:33.429
it's like, you're going to make this another.
1160
00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:34.010
Yeah.
1161
00:53:34.329 --> 00:53:36.610
So I haven't seen it. I didn't watch the trailer.
1162
00:53:36.630 --> 00:53:37.360
Maybe I'll watch it.
1163
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:39.280
If you strip all the charm and the color away
1164
00:53:39.300 --> 00:53:41.800
from the movie, I just don't know how interested I am. Yeah.
1165
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.119
But I, I guess if it comes on streaming, we
1166
00:53:44.139 --> 00:53:45.719
can check it out.
1167
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:50.099
Yeah. I, maybe you'll have to let me know. You
1168
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.860
can do a solo. missing frames you're so kind and
1169
00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:54.800
it'll be fun.
1170
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.460
What if you end up liking that one and i
1171
00:53:56.539 --> 00:53:57.440
hate it that would be.
1172
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:59.110
I was gonna say it would be funny if that
1173
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.710
happened but something tells me i'm just looking at this
1174
00:54:01.769 --> 00:54:05.949
runtime i'm like there's no way um anything else any
1175
00:54:05.969 --> 00:54:06.929
other street thoughts.
1176
00:54:07.510 --> 00:54:09.210
No i mean i'm glad you watched it i know
1177
00:54:09.230 --> 00:54:10.889
you'll never watch it again that's okay this.
1178
00:54:10.889 --> 00:54:13.269
Is not one that i will watch again sadly but
1179
00:54:13.510 --> 00:54:16.340
i'm glad we got to watch it together now we
1180
00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:21.559
can watch um We can watch Eraserhead or something else.
1181
00:54:21.699 --> 00:54:22.579
Something that makes more sense.
1182
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:26.500
The spiritual sequel, Eraserhead. Yes, Eraserhead.
1183
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.199
What should be our rating system for this?
1184
00:54:29.139 --> 00:54:29.550
Bats.
1185
00:54:29.860 --> 00:54:34.949
How many bats would you devour for practical magic?
1186
00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:37.050
I'm going to give it like a 3.5. Okay.
1187
00:54:38.670 --> 00:54:40.150
I'm trying to decide how mean I want to be.
1188
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:41.940
I mean, it's your podcast.
1189
00:54:42.019 --> 00:54:43.760
It's a 1.5.
1190
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.559
Wait, so is that the lowest you've ever given?
1191
00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:47.239
I don't think that's the lowest I've ever given to
1192
00:54:47.500 --> 00:54:50.500
any movie. I've done some pretty bad movies.
1193
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:52.099
So did we just set a record?
1194
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.840
There's some Godzilla films that I think have gotten that
1195
00:54:55.900 --> 00:55:01.530
low or lower. Hellraiser, I did not like. I think
1196
00:55:01.570 --> 00:55:03.769
I gave that one and a half. So this rests
1197
00:55:03.829 --> 00:55:07.510
firmly on the pedestal with Hellraiser. I'm trying to think
1198
00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:07.969
of any others.
1199
00:55:08.349 --> 00:55:08.909
Interesting.
1200
00:55:08.929 --> 00:55:13.550
Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't surprise me that there's like an
1201
00:55:13.610 --> 00:55:16.130
endearing quality to this, but I don't think it will.
1202
00:55:16.150 --> 00:55:17.250
Endear to you.
1203
00:55:17.269 --> 00:55:18.590
It's not for men. It's not for men.
1204
00:55:18.650 --> 00:55:19.289
It's not for men.
1205
00:55:19.769 --> 00:55:23.260
Strong enough for a man, made for a woman. This
1206
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.619
has been great. Thank you so much for showing me
1207
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:28.800
this wonderful film.
1208
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:29.699
A wonderful film.
1209
00:55:29.739 --> 00:55:31.260
I feel like I've gotten to know you a little
1210
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.179
bit better and we're that much closer and our relationship
1211
00:55:34.219 --> 00:55:37.820
has grown and flourished. Wow. Yes.
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All it took was a viewing of a movie you hate.
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Hate is a strong word.
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You gave it 1.5. Bats. That's pretty bad. You love
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bats too.
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I do. It's not many bats. No. Thank you everybody
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for listening. If you would like to follow me and
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yell at me and get upset at me because you
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love practical magic, please do so. I'm at yashandorman on
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Twitter and shandorman on Instagram and also shandorman05. com. On Letterboxd.
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I don't even know if I logged this movie on Letterboxd.
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I gotta go do that now. I better go do
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it right now. Yeah, that's it. Thank you so much.
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You're welcome.
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And we will see you at the movies.