Episode 158 - Wicked: For Good

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Welcome to the nerd Party.
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Hellone. Welcome to another episode of Missing Frames. This is
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the podcast where we watched all of the movies we
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should have seen by this point in our lives. I'm
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It's been the minute and we are.
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We are concluding our amazing, beautiful, epic journey or epic
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wickedly talented adele desime journey through our first viewing. We
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did part one, so make sure to check that out.
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And now we're getting around to Wicked for Good and
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I will be honest, I'm glad we're recording this sooner
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rather than later because I've been very excited to watch
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Wicked for Good.
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Me too, especially with how the first part left off.
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It definitely let me wanting more.
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Yeah, ready, and let's remind how did we feel about
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the first one.
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We loved it, we loved it.
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And I had some concerns that why was this split
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into two movies? Is that justified? I guess we're about
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to find out a lot of my feelings about the
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first one, the story and the characters. I think my
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uncertainty about how much I loved it, And to be clear,
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I did love it, but how much did I love it?
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A lot of that is kind of hinging on my
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reaction to this one, Wicked for Good.
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Yeah, and I'm a little more optimistic than in that regard.
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But we'll see, we will see. And what we do
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know about this is obviously this they split the play
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into two. I think Act one the curtain drops after
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Alphaba's big performance of defying gravity, which was the ending,
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the climactic moment the finale of the first film, and
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this one picks up with her already ostracized and cast
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out from her her life and she's now the Wicked Witch.
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So the big question, and we discussed this in the
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first part we did, what is it about Wicked for
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Good that turned so many fans off? Because that was
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my biggest shock after the glowing reception that the first
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Wicked received, including great reviews, like an enthusiastic response from fans.
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Box office was great. It got nominated for, however, many
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Academy Awards, I think, including Best Picture and then Wicked
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for good She's quiet, very quiet, rollout, very quiet. But
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then also the people I knew who were so excited
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for it went to like the midnight screening and then
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it was like, hey, what did you think?
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It's okay?
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Fine?
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Yeah, a lot of like I wouldn't say, there are
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a lot of people I know that didn't like it,
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but it was just like a lukewarm response is what
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I would And when you compare it to like how glowing,
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the first reception was this a little shocking. But I
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personally haven't had conversations with anyone like to know why,
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because I've just been like.
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Don't tell me.
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I want to form my own opinion because I care
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about I'm like invested, I want to figure this out
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for myself.
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So I am.
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Curious after we watch it to like call up some
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of my friends and be like, hey, is this why.
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You didn't like it. I have one good friend who
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actually likes Part two more than Part one. She's in
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the minority, yes, so, and I think because you and
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I are coming to it with completely fresh eyes. We
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have not seen any like, we don't know the story right.
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This is our first time watching it, our first time,
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so I'm very curious to see is because we're coming
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in fresh does it work for us? Again, these are
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fans of the play, of the story. They know what happens.
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So what made them so like, didn't you know what
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part two? What was gonna happen in Part two? You
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know the story? So that's where I get kind of
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confused and very curious, Like what changed the films were
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made back to back. It's not like there was like
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a period of time where they changed directors or the
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writers change or they went in a completely different direction.
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Now I know there were songs added to beef up
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the second half, because for the most part, the second
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act of the play is just a lot of reprises.
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Is that how you say? It? Reprises? Reprisals of songs
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from the first half. So I think they wrote a
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couple new songs. I've heard mixed responses as far as like, yeah,
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the new songs are fine, but I just hear like,
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maybe Part two as a standalone film doesn't work as well.
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I also know it's darker. Obviously we're going into like
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the dark part of the story or Elpha Ba will
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meet hers and my eyes or so I think. We
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don't know, but I from what I understand, it's less
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joyous and less fun than part one, which I don't know.
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That doesn't bother me.
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We'll see, I mean, that's not something that would turn
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me off to a movie, but I don't Again, I
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don't know is it do you know if it is
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a faithful adaptation of the play the last half and
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I don't know what happens in the play, so I.
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Won't say anything. I know, I know some things. I
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know there are maybe more overt attempts to connect it
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to the Wizard of Oz. Okay, I think.
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We've already seen a little of that.
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We have and we some nods, yeah, And I think
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it might be a little bit more overt than what
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the play did. So I think some people were a
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little bit like, I don't know how I feel about
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like them really trying to connect the dots in that way.
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Maybe because it's the film, they felt a little bit
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more like, well, we can connect it to the film
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and show that showcase that iconography and the visuals, and
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maybe that just didn't pay off. So we'll see. I mean,
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I am not want to shy away, like you said,
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from a darker story. I get wanting like a musical
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to be more upbeat and happy, because that tends to
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be what I gravitate towards. But I also think I'm
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very curious. My whole thing is like, well, do we
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need to split this into two? The filmmakers, the storytellers,
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the writers, even the original playwright and songwriter. I think
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they were all like, well, creatively, we knew it had
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to be And I'm like, did you though, or were
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those dollars signs a little bit too difficult to ignore?
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Part one works as a movie as a standalone movie,
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but I think it's weaknesses are directly tied into the
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fact that it feels like only half of a story,
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a story that was supposed to be a complete story.
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So the weaknesses of part two may just really tie
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into people who are less nerdy about dissecting film and stories.
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They what they're trying to put their finger on is
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maybe that's it, Like it just feels like, oh, like
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the first half had all the world building and the
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character building, and now the second half is just sort
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of like the depressing finale of all of this, and
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it just doesn't have the same as part one.
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Yeah, that's very possible. I wonder, do you know what
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the run time is of the Broadway play.
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I'm not sure, and my guess is like probably.
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Four three hours or four hours.
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Yeah, so it might not be that far off from well,
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each one of these movies is what two hours, Well,
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the first is two forty.
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And this one's only like two twelve. I think.
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Okay, so they're not that far off from the play
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if that's it in terms of run time.
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But yeah, I get the impulse you want to, Like,
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you pay for one production, you get two movies, and
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you potentially get twice as much box office revenue. So
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I get it. The film did well, Wicked for Good
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did well at the box office. But again, just like
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the critical reception, just like the fan reception, notably more
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muted than people felt was merited for this kind of
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big sequel, and again not one, like you said, completely silent,
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no awards recognition. People were way less charmed by Ariana
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Grande and Cynthia Rivo's kind of like very public displays
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of affection and support for one another.
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Yeah, I don't even know if it was that as much.
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It just didn't feel like there was much coverage at all. Yeah,
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Like you know, I just felt.
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Like they had the traction like, oh, it's wicked, people
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are going to see it.
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Even the Red Carpet didn't feel as grand as the
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first one because I did tune into that.
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But it's like, you know.
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I follow a lot of film accounts and you know,
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people who interview actors, and I mean, like just didn't
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There wasn't a lot. The algorithm at least did not
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show me a ton on this, but it shoved it
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down my throat during the first and I didn't even
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see it. I wasn't even liking these things, but I
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got a lot of it during the first movie. So
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it is interesting that, you.
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Know, I think that speaks also directly to the fan reaction.
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Fan reaction is way more like you said, the algorithm
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was feeding it to you.
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To get the fans what they want. They don't want to.
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If you don't have any content to like or engage with,
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and that's probably part of it. Like the fans, the
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resounding response to me was like disappointment or feeling underwhelmed. Yes,
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and I think after that, like for me personally, if
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I really loved something and then the sequel is like underwhelming,
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I definitely wouldn't be like posting it's a bummer.
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Yeah, So so we'll see. But I mean, I'm still
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very excited.
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I'm optimistic because I don't feel like I have steak
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in this game, Like I'm not like that helps. Yeah,
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it's not Superman like, it's not It's not something where
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I'm like, oh my god, this is better be the
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best movie ever. I'm kind of just like, Hey, I
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enjoyed the first one. I'm very curious to see what
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happens next. And also as a film, they're just like
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I want to see why people if I can pick
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apart and analyze why, I think fans did respond as well.
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Yeah to part two, but I think, like you, I'm
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looking to enjoy it, like I'm expecting to enjoy it.
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So all right, you ready, you want to do it?
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Let's do it?
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Shall we defy gravity together?
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Yes? Please?
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Now available to oh non video cassette. Okay, we're back.
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How good are we feeling about Wicked? Ver good? What
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are the feelings we're feeling right now?
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I am not feeling very good.
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I hate to say it, ladies and gentlemen, but this
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should have been one movie.
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Sean was right.
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I on our last episode, I was like, you know,
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chill out, you're making assumptions you don't really know.
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But I hate to say Sean.
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Was right, but this felt like a two plus hour
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third act of a film, not even It did not
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feel like it had the emotional weight or build up
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that it needed to be satisfying. And I think maybe
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it's just that the play itself, in the story itself,
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all the strongest beats are in the first first half. Yeah,
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the first act has all of the best story stuff,
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the best character stuff, and this just felt like the
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payoffs were not there. And maybe it works better as
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a play when you're sitting there and watching it. Clearly
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people have responded to that, But I think the reason
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fans were so disappointed in this is because it feels
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lopsided when you try to have it stand alone as
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its own movie.
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Yeah, and obviously it's a huge shift in tone, but
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I don't know if that is the problem, because darker
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it's fine. Like, I think that was a pretty big
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criticism and I don't really count that for me at least,
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because it's like, yeah, it's a dark story, that's okay,
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but like it was just not executed well. It just
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was like the pacing was really bizarre. And I can't
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criticize the songs too much because I think we found
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that ninety percent of them are from the play. They
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still were just not as magical as the songs in
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the first half.
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Oh oh, I think by when you when you when
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you cut this off and make it stand alone as
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its own movie, and you can talk about, oh, it's
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just part two of you know, it's two parts. You
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have to watch the complete Sorry, they released it as
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its own film, and as its own film, you were
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calling out, you make it that much more apparent. You're saying,
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these songs are supporting this film, and the songs are
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kind of brought to the surface a little bit more
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than they would have been if they were part of
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a larger hole. But when you're saying these songs are
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what's going to support an entire movie, and you have
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to compare and contrast to the first one, the songs
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just don't hold up. And we were even sitting there thinking, like, God,
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the music isn't as good, and then we're surprised because
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we'd read that some of the songs had been created
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for the movie itself. But then you realize that it's
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only two songs. There's one where she talks about there's
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no place like Home, and then there's the other one
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where Glinda talks sings about the bubble, her life and
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the bubble Yeah, and like, those songs are fine, but
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there isn't anything remotely as charming or fun. There are
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any big, yeah, big ensemble dance numbers. It's not so
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much the tone of it changed a little bit. It's
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that it feels stiff and sterile in a way that
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the first one did. The first one felt fresh and
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fun and loose. There's a sense of humor to it
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that keeps things light and you could almost tell like
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the scene where Glinda and Alpha Bud fight each other
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in munchkin Land felt like maybe they saw a cut
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of the film and we're like, oh, this is there
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isn't actual charm. We'd add some funny stuff between the
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two ladies, because that is the heart of the movie,
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and they spend so much of this film apart from
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each other.
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That's what we.
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Gushed about in the first Yeah, and the you know
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that's that's that was the glue, And You're right, it's
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like everyone was apart from one another. They were just
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really strange. And again it's hard to like criticize because
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maybe it's something that happened in the play. I don't know,
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so maybe I'm criticizing the source material too. But just
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like the Anessa and the Box, stuff was like out
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of nowhere, and I just was like, what happening? Like
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there was a one year time jump that we completely
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missed because they barely they like put one little line
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in one of the songs at the beginning, because I
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was like, did all this happen? I thought it picks
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right back up, But just the pacing of the whole film,
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to me, I was just getting whiplash. I was like,
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I don't I cared so much about the characters in
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the first film and they were giving me like nothing
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in this one. I just even some of those you know,
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I think the performances were good, I just feel like
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they didn't have a great script to work with. That's
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what I felt like, like it wasn't the actors were fine,
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but it just felt like it was like unseasoned yeah,
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they need to.
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Beef it up a bit. It felt like maybe the
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first one. It's so hard to know without having seen
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the play to see what the exact you know, if
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it's like, well, you know the play did this, so
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you know, we don't have that knowledge. But just looking
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at it from a film standpoint, it feels a lot
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like there are missing character beats, there are missing story
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beats that would have made this feel more fulfilling. I
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remember thinking the moment where I really started to feel like, oh,
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this isn't working was near the beginning with the Sister.
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Suddenly she's the Governess and she's suddenly like very cold
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and like I'm evil and I like this, I'm the
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wicked Witch, and like I was like, when did that happen? Yea,
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and her relationship with the Munchkin and yeah, and Bach
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just their romance, which was like kind of sweet in
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the first one, but then suddenly there was always this
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dumb like, but I'm really in love with Glinda, which
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I never really bought. And so when he suddenly switches
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with her and is like, I have to go tell
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Glinda how I feel, I was like, what where is
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this coming from? And then she's very cold towards him,
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and then when he becomes the tin Man, he's suddenly like,
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I'm gonna kill every And I was just like, what
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is going on?
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I think that literally was in service to create, to
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make him the tin man, because you're right in in
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in part one you it is played more as an infatuation,
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not in love with at least that's how I saw it.
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He was infatuated. He was she was sparkly and pretty
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and bubbly and congular. It's popular, like all the things,
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the warmth. She had a glow, right, but then the
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whole beautiful dance number with her with nessa like he
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fell in love with her. They like created something new
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that seemed true, and to throw it all away. I'm like,
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oh gosh, is that in the play.
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Because that's so good.
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It probably is, And I think it's just like when
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you see it, when you see this disconnected from the
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first part, and it was. It was one of the
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under developed relationships in the first film. I felt like
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that romance because even in the first film, I felt
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kind of like, this is sort of weird. Why is
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he obsessed with her? I get it on a surface level,
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but he's constantly like, oh, I love her so much
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and I guess I'll go out with this other girl
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and it doesn't it never It felt kind of like, oh,
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that's probably something that didn't translate as well. They didn't
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give it enough breathing room, and to have it play
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it felt like that sequence went on forever. I was like,
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this is I am not interested in this at all.
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It's awkward. Performances feel awkward, like it's just not working.
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So I think it might have been okay if they
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sort of brushed it under the rug a little bit
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and didn't have it play as prominent of a part,
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or maybe just downplay his motivation for like I'm in
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love with Glinda actually, just like when he said that,
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I was like, are you kidding me? Like you've spent
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so little time with Glinda, but we had this whole seat,
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like you said, this whole sequence with YouTube dancing. They
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show a flashback to them dancing and I was like, wow,
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that first film was really fun. Look how happy they
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are and like there's so much life in this scene.
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What happened?
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Well, yeah, it just it would make more sense to
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me if she was never mentioned. And he was like,
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you've just become cold and hungry with power or something. Fine, Yes, great,
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Then you gave some meat to her story as well,
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and it makes a little more sense. It would have
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been like such an easy and then Nessa turns him
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into the tin man. Yeah got alpha ba.
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So like, what the heck? That whole sequence is so
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much like she didn't but she didn't on every I think,
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like we're fixating on the scene, but that scene really broke.
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It's just like it's so early in the movie, and
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it really emphasizes the clunkiness of the narrative.
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It is my mental turning point.
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Yes, the characters are doing things that feel unmotivated the
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story itself. The beats aren't clean, so you have like
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she's like alpha but like your you know, father never
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loved me. And it's like, well that's true, but like
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he died when did he? He had like a heart attack,
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I thought at the end of the first movie. And
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then it's like he's dead.
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Well, hence the one year. This is also at the
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point where we go, wait, she's governor.
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Wait the dad died? Wait how much time is it?
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Like we were back, we had to like go back
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and google yes, and then I found a very obscure
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song lyric like you yeah.
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The twelve months that have passed, I don't know in
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a song very like very not not obvious at all,
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but like and then she's like, oh, I want to
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feel like I did at that dance. And like then
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she's flying and she's like whoa, and it's really hokey,
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and she's on strings, like very obviously on strings. It's
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like I'm flying. Wow. And then he burst into the
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room and he's like, I love Alphabet, I love Glinda.
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It's just like what is happening? And then she's like no, no.
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When she runs and grabs the book and Alphaba's like
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what are you? She's just standing there while it's like literally,
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you could just be like, yeah, let me get the
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book from you. You could just like grab your sister,
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but Alpha bas just like because plot, you know, the
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sister has to read the book. Alphaba's just standing there
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like with her head and her hands, going ah, what
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do I do?
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She just turns.
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She just happens to turn to some spell that's supposed
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to make him love her but turns him into a
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tin man.
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Very very dumb. And then when the tin man showed
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up and I kind of been a little spoiled. I
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knew that the Odds, the characters the Wizard of Oz,
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the film Dorothy, and the story, the original story, those
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characters were going to make some appearance, and I knew
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some of the characters we met were going to turn
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into those characters and I but I didn't, you know,
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because I'm terrible with names. I didn't know which characters
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were going to be which. So when he turned to
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the tin Man and was suddenly very angry and aw
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and vengeful, I was like, that doesn't make any sense.
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And then from that point on I just wasn't. I
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was annoyed that we'd spent so much time on this
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very dumb subplot from the first movie, and it felt
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like it threw everything off. And then at a certain
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point you and I were both kind of like, you know,
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Glinda and Elfhabout just don't spend any time together in
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this movie. And it also emphasizes, I think part of
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the problem of making this a separate film. There really
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isn't anything. None of the characters the first film felt
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like there was at least some semblance of a journey.
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I was annoyed that the film kind of was like, well,
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it didn't really have an ending. The story's not complete,
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and in this one, it felt like it was a
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prolonged completion of a lot of these characters arcs. It's like,
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if it's just the final thirty minutes of a single film,
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it wouldn't have been as noticeable, possibly or as in
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the play, it's like the second half of a three
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four hour play, and it's like you don't think about
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it because you're just watching the entire play. But in
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this case, it just felt because you're prolonging these these
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beats and these characters that aren't really developing over the
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course of the film. They've already gone through their journeys.
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Like Alpha Ba doesn't really change, She's pretty much the same.
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I want to save the animals, and I still don't
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understand what the deal with the animals was. Why Oz
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hated them so much. I think they were hinting that
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they knew he wasn't really magical, maybe.
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Because and they could talk, so they could tell people.
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Yeah, but like why didn't they tell anybody already? Like
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why wasn't that Why was that such a big secret
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If the animals were keeping that a secret because nobody
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knew about it? Except Alva's like, you're not really imagine it,
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so it's like I didn't fully understand that. And then
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Alphaba spends most of the time just like separated off
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on her own doing the same. It felt like we
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were just treading water for a good chunk of the movie.
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I almost feel like the year that we missed would
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have been more interesting than what we saw on the
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camera anyway, because it's like so many things were unanswered.
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Like how did is it Fierro?
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Yeah?
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How did he become the captain of the like, Like
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I don't know, it's just all these things that are like, oh,
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she's governor and they're not in school anymore.
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I guess do you graduate in six months? Is that
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how that works? I don't know, Like she's now.
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The the you know, the Glinda, the gud and she's
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the ambassador.
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Like I'm like, did I miss something?
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Like it felt?
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Am I supposed to just infer.
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Here because it looks like in a play, like you
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come back from intermission and they sit down and there's
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like an exposition over twelve months later, and you could
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have easily put a subtitle at the start of the film,
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but I think it just speaks to the lobside of
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nature of the story, and I think maybe if the
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things that could possibly be flaws and the source material
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aren't as evident when you're watching a single entity, but
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in this when you put it separately, you're literally calling
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it tension to it.
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Yeah, And I.
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Think I would have liked to see more happiness at
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the end maybe, or more like ensemble stuff for like,
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I don't know, I just felt so deeply unsatisfied at
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the end, and that's not that's not how I expected
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to feel.
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I guess we talked about it a little bit, but
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it's it comes down to the two characters themselves, not
485
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just them not being together for the majority of the movie,
486
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.720
but what ultimately is the point of this story, What
487
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.559
is the point of their friendship? Because we were trying
488
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.319
to we were like, okay, so you know, probably the
489
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.440
highlight of the film is the because I Knew You
490
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.200
that song between the two of them near the end,
491
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.920
which is I guess the climax of the film. Their
492
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.440
their duet together is really great. But I was watching
493
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:50.519
them sing because I Knew You and Da Da Da
494
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.640
and I Love You, and I'm thinking, like, what how
495
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.319
did you two impact each other's lives. You were friends,
496
00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.599
but Glinda this whole time has been superficial. We have
497
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.440
to uh just agree with Oz and just do what
498
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.000
everybody wants, and I want to be popular and Alphaba
499
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:09.759
is no, we you know he's lying and we have
500
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.559
to do this, and neither of them really change their
501
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:18.119
opinions and any significant influence that one has on the other.
502
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.799
Like Glinda just becomes Alphaba's friend but doesn't really have
503
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:24.680
any impact on who she is.
504
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.440
Alphaba is who until she dies or you know.
505
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.680
Yeah, but I mean like, but think, like what impact
506
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.079
did Glinda have on Alphaba's life besides giving her a
507
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.880
friend at all? Like it's like, what how did she change?
508
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.200
Like Alphaba kind of comes out of her shell a
509
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:46.039
little bit, but like the way Cynthia Arrivo plays the character,
510
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.880
she's pretty confident in herself throughout. But to have Glinda
511
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.079
see her in that moment when they dance together in
512
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.799
the first film is in port, it's like suddenly she's like,
513
00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.200
I have a friend, and so that means something thing
514
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.920
on an emotional level, But it's like, how does that
515
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:08.279
impact her as the which all the stuff that Alphabe
516
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.519
decides to do is completely separate from that friendship. You know,
517
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.039
like Glinda never says to you like her like you
518
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.839
need to be more proactive or confident in yourself and
519
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.400
do Like Alphaba is pretty confident in herself and what
520
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.960
she believes and she just needs a friend and Glinda
521
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.400
provides the friendship, but doesn't that doesn't impact.
522
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.279
Carro is the one who like actually goes to her
523
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.279
and gives up his life basically.
524
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.160
Which I think maybe is a story flaw, maybe just
525
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.119
a central story flaw where the romance actually has more
526
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.359
impact than the friendship between the two. But then flip
527
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.519
it around, this movie is almost a little bit more
528
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:52.759
about Glinda's journey to becoming an actual decent person. I
529
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:58.920
just didn't understand what. There was no clear motivation for why.
530
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.799
At the very end, they were like, everything's terrible, but
531
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.559
this beautiful friendship we saw each other through all of it.
532
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.039
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna let myself die, and you're
533
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.279
gonna be miserable, but we but this friendship meant everything.
534
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.720
I was just like, did it mean everything? What did
535
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:22.559
you two mean to each other other than like you
536
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.839
went to a couple of dances and helped fashion design
537
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.640
some give you, gave her a hat. It just felt
538
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.799
like the friendship was so played down in this movie
539
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.440
that to have it at the end come up to
540
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.559
be like everything in our lives was worth it because
541
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.119
we knew each other and we were able to like
542
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.279
if Glinda, what if Alphaba had said like I'm not
543
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.039
gonna go off with Jonathan Bailey and I can't, I
544
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.680
can't betray you, and Glinda had said, no, your love
545
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.640
is true, you too, desert Like It's like then there
546
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.559
would have been a real impact, but there was no.
547
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:58.519
But they just want to add a little spice of
548
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:00.160
conflict for the sake.
549
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.000
Yes, which is fine, but it's like for a satisfying,
550
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:08.160
like emotional story. I think again, separating these two it
551
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.839
just emphasizes how little there is in the film that
552
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.759
helps it stand on its own. And I know the
553
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.279
first one doesn't fully work on its own, Like my
554
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.839
complaints about the first one still stand where I'm like, ah,
555
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.519
it ends, and like what happens? I don't know how
556
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:25.039
are these things going to pay off? And now that
557
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.599
I know, I actually am kind of like, well, you
558
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.000
know what, could you just kind of watch the first
559
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.000
one and leave it as is? I don't really need
560
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.440
anything in the second movie.
561
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.559
Yeah, I feel like I can still watch part one
562
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.559
and be satisfied, even though I'm a little bummed at
563
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:46.319
how the whole franchise ended. But the first one still
564
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:47.640
is amazing.
565
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.839
Yeah, it's lovely. It just felt like there's so many
566
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.480
I say, It's so much more colorful, not just in
567
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.559
terms of a literal color palette, but just the vibes
568
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.680
of it, the energy of it. It has such joy
569
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:05.240
in life. Yeah, Dophins, And it's you know, I think
570
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.319
having this film and the story of the film being
571
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:10.680
so oh it's dark and stuff is fine, but it
572
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.519
doesn't have the same life because the story and the
573
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.599
characters itself aren't aren't there. They aren't on the level
574
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.720
of the first film. And I just kept, unfortunately comparing
575
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.599
it like, oh, I just think about that sequence with
576
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.720
the two of them and at the dance, just how
577
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.240
powerful it was. And I'm trying to think, like, is
578
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.960
there any moment in this film that it's just like
579
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.880
again comparing this to Deathly Hallows Part one and two,
580
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.279
another film that it's like, yeah, you could argue, I mean,
581
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:40.079
it is one story, but you could argue, could it
582
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.519
have been one movie, and I would argue against it,
583
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.640
but I think it's the reverse. A lot of people
584
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.000
tend to say Part one of Deathly Hallows it's like, oh,
585
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.559
it's meandering, they wander around, they're miserable, and I'm like,
586
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.000
I kind of love that, but I see your point.
587
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.480
But Part two of Deathly Hallows it's like, what are
588
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.839
the oh the climax of this entire franchise, what are
589
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.279
the big moments literally everything. There's a big battle at Hogwarts,
590
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.519
Harry sacrifices himself, we find out about Snape, we find
591
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.960
out about this, you know, we finally defeat volt. There's
592
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.880
so much stuff in part two that it's like, finally,
593
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.480
this big emotional moment where it can work on its own,
594
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.319
even though it's part of a larger hole. And it's
595
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.480
like the flip with Wicked for Good. It's like all
596
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.880
the best stuff happened in part one and there's no
597
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.200
satisfying payoff for part two.
598
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.440
Yeah, I think it would have.
599
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.920
I agree it would have been better as one, like
600
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.039
give it a three hour, twenty minute runtime. You smack
601
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.839
an intermission. I have seen it smack an intermission in
602
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.720
the middle. If you want with something fun maybe reorder
603
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.920
some things just to add a little more of the
604
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.119
good songs towards I don't know, just just do something.
605
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.480
I don't know, you have this opportunity. They because I
606
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.079
still think the.
607
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.880
Story's fine, Like it's okay, Like I don't want to
608
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.920
like criticize the source material, but like something was just
609
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.880
so off in that last part. It's like there was,
610
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.279
like you said, there was no like real emotional payoff.
611
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.079
Even when Alpha Ba and Fiaro.
612
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.359
I feel like I keep saying his name wrong.
613
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.359
But even when they finally get together, I was like
614
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:12.000
not feeling anything and they're, oh my.
615
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.599
Gosh, there, I think it's Fierra Fiera. Okay.
616
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.680
Their tension in the first film is good stuff, Like
617
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.000
I read a lot of romance books. This is top
618
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:25.359
notch good tension, good banter, good longing. Looks nothing of
619
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.960
that was in this movie. And this is the payoff
620
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.119
where they finally kiss and he goes to her and
621
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.640
it's so like desperately romantic, and it didn't feel romantic.
622
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.839
So bummed, I was like, no.
623
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.880
So much happens because you're it's a betrayal. Glinda's betrayed
624
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.160
by Alcaba. Enough of us, Like, no, it's not like
625
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:45.960
it just felt.
626
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.920
Like it's like, yes, it is, but maybe you could
627
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.720
have played it differently. It just feels icky.
628
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:51.680
And you know, I have a bone to pick with
629
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.519
this man because why did he get engaged and be
630
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:55.799
with her the last year?
631
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:57.920
He could have not been with her?
632
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:06.200
Yeah time, Like why why what was that's that? Yes,
633
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.039
he was initially like, oh, she's the hot girl and
634
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.079
I'm a cool guy, but I guess.
635
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:11.960
The relator development.
636
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.880
Yeah, and the relationship with Alpha but changed him. Yeah,
637
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.400
so there's that happened in the other movie, and so
638
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.000
this movie just at the beginning of this it's like
639
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.400
we're merry now, so.
640
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.480
Okay, engaged but yeah, so again, like what happened in
641
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.759
this year? Why did they side stuff that? Why was
642
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:36.079
everyone so willing to go along with this stupid.
643
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.039
Story of power?
644
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:37.920
Yes?
645
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.440
Why what was the motivation? What were they going to
646
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.519
do to that? They didn't even really threaten them that much?
647
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.880
Like, I don't know what the I don't know either,
648
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.640
And I'm still again we got to.
649
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.440
Go to New York. We gotta go. Yeah, and now
650
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.519
I just want to see the play.
651
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.440
And you know there's a book too, But I hear
652
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.440
you know, nobody really no offense, but nobody really talks
653
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.200
about the book. Apparently you read the book and you're
654
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:58.359
kind of like, oh, I just want.
655
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.000
To what the play.
656
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.119
But yeah, I think a lot of that is the
657
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.920
lopside of nature. When you split these two, you're picking
658
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.000
up narrative threads that feel less like payoffs because it's
659
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.079
kind of like, wait, I don't understand, Like, yes, they
660
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.599
were kind of flirting with each other, but now they're
661
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.359
sleeping together, like what And then like for Alpha Butt,
662
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.680
she's in love with him and that felt real, but
663
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.839
it feels like there's a missing There needed to be
664
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:28.400
an extra beat between him running off with her and
665
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.039
them like the flirtation of the first film. Yes, you
666
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.759
have the resources to make it work, if you're gonna
667
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.839
split it into a second film and give me the
668
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.960
bs of oh, there's so much story to tell, so
669
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.519
we have to do two movies. I'm like, yeah, of course,
670
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.440
and you want to hopefully make another billion dollars. But
671
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.359
if you're gonna do that, take the time to say,
672
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.599
all right, well, what's not working narratively about this second film?
673
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:57.880
If we do that, if we just do a straight
674
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.359
like adaptation, because that's what it feels like. It just
675
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.200
felt like, you know, a lot of the stuff that
676
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.720
works maybe on the play or on the stage doesn't
677
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.440
work in film because it's just the narrative. Threads don't
678
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.400
work on their own terms and their own movie. Add
679
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.800
an extra beat. You can sit there and look at
680
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.679
the script and say, like, you know what, we need
681
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.519
to just finesse this a little bit so that maybe
682
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.199
audiences are kind of eased back in. We remind them
683
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.880
of this. We add a little clarification about a, B
684
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.599
and C, and it's and it works and it's not
685
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.679
difficult stuff. It just felt like this screenplay needed a
686
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.679
couple more passes. But they were like, well, you know what,
687
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.000
we don't need to do anymore because the film's a success.
688
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.519
We've already got it done. Why not do what Lord
689
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.840
of the Rings did? And they shot the films all
690
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.719
at once, but then each time they released a new
691
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.639
film and it was a success, they went back did
692
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.320
reshoots to like add some clarity, add new scenes, make
693
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.480
sure each film worked on its own. You could have
694
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:53.760
done that with we could.
695
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.880
Forgot it just some more thoughtful process.
696
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.480
And they didn't because they were just find they were
697
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.000
money focused, they knew people, they knew they had the audience.
698
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.519
The first film was a success, so they were like, great,
699
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.039
we don't need to put any more money into it.
700
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.440
So it's like, yeah, I understand that from a bean
701
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.480
counter standpoint, but from an artistic storytelling standpoint, it doesn't work.
702
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.320
And the film the reason the reaction was so muted,
703
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.480
the reason people you know, made money but didn't make
704
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.079
as much money and definitely not a disappointment as far
705
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.960
as numbers were concerned, but I mean, we talked about
706
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.920
it in the first episode. It just felt like nobody
707
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.440
was talking about it, and you watch it, it's like, well,
708
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.880
this is really underwhelming. I can see why people were
709
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.079
sort of like and why fans would be disappointed because
710
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.960
it just doesn't work as well. The romance was a
711
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.920
big thing I wanted to talk about because the Alphaba
712
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:49.320
and Zero romance vr rr whatever. Yeah, I'm bad enough
713
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.840
with names. When I like the movie, and when I
714
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.559
don't like the movie, they don't get anything. I get nothing.
715
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:01.800
But I I did not enjoy that, and to me,
716
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.239
the romance is almost like irrelevant. It's about Glinda and Alphaba,
717
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.000
and they spend the entire movie apart and then you
718
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.679
have Michelle yeoh, literally just oh, the Wicked Wit. Every
719
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.559
I don't know if I if I want to, if
720
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.559
I could take all of the lines of dialogue she has,
721
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.280
I want to see what ratio, what percentage of the
722
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.679
lines are just her saying it's the wicked Witch, it's
723
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.559
her fault. I think that's probably ninety percent of her
724
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.800
dialogue in this film Oz Too, it's like, what's going
725
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.159
What is going on? Who is this guy? Why is
726
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.840
this happening? Why does he want to enforce this crazy
727
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.320
narrative and get rid of the animals? Animals are in cages?
728
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.360
What is happening? The second it's like, are we supposed
729
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.199
to empathize with Oz? Probably not. Second, you have like
730
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.320
a guy who has animals in cages. I'm like, I
731
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.239
don't like you. Yeah, So it's like, why is he
732
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.239
doing it? Well, we don't know why he's doing it.
733
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.760
Maybe it was in a song lyric it was like, oh,
734
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.719
the animals are talking about uz you just missed it,
735
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.239
and they didn't. They didn't clarify.
736
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.679
But the only thing we really learned about him that
737
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.320
was new was that he was actually Alphaba's father.
738
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.039
Yes, which I was called did you.
739
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.519
I didn't. I still didn't care when.
740
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.320
They announced that they make it like a big reveal
741
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.199
and it was. I was kind of like, first, I
742
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.280
kind of saw that coming, but also who cares.
743
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.320
Yeah, it didn't have I don't know if it was
744
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.519
supposed to have some like big gut punch payoff, but
745
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:30.119
like I.
746
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.920
Certainly felt like it. Yeah, because the way Jeff Goldbloom
747
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.360
and Jeff gold I love Jeff, I love you. You
748
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.280
are welcome on the show anytime. But Jeff's whole stick
749
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.119
now in his later years is I Jeff Goldbloom, and
750
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.599
I'm crazy and wild and wacky, and I'm like, I'm
751
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.880
here for it. But then what happens is when you
752
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.480
expect me to suddenly on a dime, he turns and
753
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.079
it's like emotional gut punch and he's like, I killed
754
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.119
my own daughter. It doesn't work because the character is
755
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.079
kind of a cartoon character throughout this entire film, and
756
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.559
like you said, it supposed to be a got punch
757
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.760
we've seen. We don't know anything about this guy. He
758
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.280
has been wacky, he's been caging animals, and we're supposed
759
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.360
to feel bad for him, like, oh, what have I done?
760
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.320
It's like, what do you mean? What have you done?
761
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.280
You torture animals? You think like I care? Like of course,
762
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.360
like you killed your daughter, Like yeah, of course you did.
763
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.079
You're not a good person. So again I was confused
764
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.039
as to like does the film want us to feel
765
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.480
bad for him or is he supposed to be changing?
766
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.719
Like what what is? And then he just leaves, which
767
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.800
brings me to my other point, the Wizard of Oz.
768
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.920
We have specific direct connections to the Wizard of Oz
769
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.360
in this film. From what I understand, they play them
770
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.280
up a little bit more than they were in the play,
771
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.480
but it actually was pretty subtle. We see the cowardly lie.
772
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.119
You never see like like you never see Dorothy's face.
773
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.840
I don't think we.
774
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.000
See Toto, which I you know, I'm always happy to
775
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.599
see a dog, So that was great. It also felt
776
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.039
as undercooked, like every appearance of her felt like it's
777
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:06.079
the Wizard of Oz remember, And I was like, yeah, wait,
778
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.400
hold on what because it's just a lot of because
779
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.239
they're trying to pay it like or they're trying to
780
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:11.639
play it like you know, we're not going to show
781
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.039
her face because that would be weird. But like the
782
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.519
moments where Alpha, you're just in the back of your mind,
783
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.840
you're thinking, I know that story almost by heart, and
784
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.920
it's just playing window dressing too, or it's just the backdrop.
785
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:30.159
It's not even the backdrop. It's just background extras to
786
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.039
this big story. But because it makes an appearance in
787
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.119
this movie, it just further called attention to like how
788
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.840
little I kept seeing Dorothy and I was like, oh,
789
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.880
I want to watching The Wizard of Oz. I wish
790
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.000
I was watching that, but I remember Alpha. But when
791
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.639
she shuts Dorothy and she's like, you know, stay down there,
792
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.920
and I'm just thinking to myself, like, oh, yeah, she's
793
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.239
the wicked Witch of the East and Doroth like it's
794
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.639
like that is such a major character. It just felt
795
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.119
so weird to have them play yeah, And I don't know,
796
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.440
I understood, like you couldn't. Obviously, you can't have them
797
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.440
play a role in the movie, and I respect that
798
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.760
more than if they had, But because they kept calling
799
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:19.519
back to it and saying, look, here they go down
800
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.280
the yellow brick road and then having random, yeah, random
801
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.199
moments where they cut ahead and suddenly she's captured and
802
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.920
Alphaba's It's like, wait, that's a major moment in the
803
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.239
Wizard of Oz story.
804
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.920
The pacing of this movie was weird, really weird. It
805
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.119
was just off start to finish.
806
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.079
Yeah, so it was just kind of like why again
807
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:49.519
Dorothy comes to Oz? Why like I created a tornado?
808
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.800
And then and then Michelle Yo's like, we can use
809
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.480
her to kill the witch, and I'm like, couldn't you
810
00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.159
if the witch is killed by water, which is not
811
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.440
the case. They just that's a rumor. Somebody says dowse
812
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.360
her in water, and Alphaba is like, oh, I can
813
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:11.320
use that to my advantage and pretend. Well, yeah, I was.
814
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.880
I was thinking the movie it was like, nobody can
815
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.800
just rain some water on her, Like, what is this?
816
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.519
It just that doesn't make sense. But then also yeah,
817
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:24.119
if it rains or if something like it's that, this
818
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.679
is not a problem. So The Wizard of Oz is
819
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.719
basically like, oh, now that a human is here, I
820
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.159
can get her to get the broom. And it's like,
821
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.039
why do you need the broom? I'm sorry? What, like,
822
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:38.639
what what.
823
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.840
Is I'm going to be honest, I kind of mentally
824
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.480
checked out, so I'm not remembering.
825
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:43.840
Some of this stuff.
826
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:45.440
Well no, I'm just like at the.
827
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.559
End, I was tired and I was like, I'm bored.
828
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.280
I think what I'm coming to is why even reference
829
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.440
Dorothy at all?
830
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:57.920
Why did this whole movie happen?
831
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.239
I know you have to, because this is the wizard
832
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:03.480
of this movie doesn't.
833
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.239
Exist ultimately doors we had to kill her, yes, right,
834
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.920
that's why she's there, even though we find out that
835
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.880
it was a trapdoor scenario, and yes it was.
836
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:17.079
Yeah, it just felt like if this character's life is
837
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.960
so dictated by what Dorothy does, not having Dorothy be
838
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.559
a major character in this film is feels wrong and
839
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.119
it is just another thing where it's like the narrative
840
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.559
of the film doesn't work, the structure doesn't work. What
841
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.800
exactly were we trying to do? The characters that have
842
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.199
the most impact on the events in Oz are not
843
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.119
even background extras. They're barely in the movie, and you
844
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.440
have them behaving in weird way that ten Man's like,
845
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.559
I hate everything, and we don't see the Scarecrow because
846
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:50.320
we have to have that big reveal at the end.
847
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.679
Room She's like, I love you and you're perfect.
848
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.800
But I got a question for you about the end.
849
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.360
What the heck is in the Land beyond Oz?
850
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.039
Yeah? Is it as a Heara desert. They're in the
851
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:04.440
real world now, and.
852
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.440
I couldn't tell you that's how it ended.
853
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.760
And I'm like, oh that, yeah, there are books, there
854
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:09.480
are other books.
855
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:10.599
Do people explain that.
856
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:14.519
I'm guessing there is more to the story, like there's.
857
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.400
Maybe we'll get a third movie.
858
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.880
I well, you know, the the Broadway play is that
859
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.199
it's just the one book. It's just the one story.
860
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:23.559
Okay.
861
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.599
My guess is it's kind of like Doune where really
862
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:32.280
the only thing worth worth interpretating is this Paul Trade's story.
863
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.320
I just was more interested that. I'm like, where are
864
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:35.599
they going? And then it ended.
865
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.760
I was like, god, well, I was the most interested
866
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.400
in seeing what is the outcome of Glinda and Alphabet's relationship,
867
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.639
And then you sort of Linda doesn't even do anything
868
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.199
to like what if Glinda had been the one to
869
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.400
come up with the trap door? You know, like it's like,
870
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:56.400
why Glinda? There's nothing about their friendship meant anything to
871
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.920
the outcome of the movie. Everything happens independentship.
872
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.119
Yeah, I would argue that Alphaba's death obviously was stage,
873
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.920
but you know, for Glinda it was death, right, Yeah,
874
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.719
the death was the catalyst that got her to do
875
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.119
stuff and make her world a better place.
876
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.159
The last ten minutes of the movie. Yeah, but it.
877
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.440
Wasn't the rest of their friendship. It was what it
878
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:17.920
was our death.
879
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.880
You could have had the same thing. I think if
880
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.280
Glinda like I'm gonna I'm going to help you.
881
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.760
If if Glinda had more of a backbone her and
882
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.360
Fiara like they could have had an uprising easy pasy. Yeah,
883
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.760
give me a break. Alphaba is like the most powerful witch,
884
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.760
like you're telling me, and then you have Glinda who
885
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:41.800
has an immense persuasive energy, like they could have figured
886
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:42.119
this out.
887
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.760
I mean, obviously that's not the material.
888
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.320
That's what I'm saying. You started to dig at it.
889
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.000
It's like what it unravels really quickly, and that's kind
890
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.840
of a bummer to me.
891
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.440
It's like, if this whole story was about their friendship
892
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.800
and how they impacted each other's lives, I'm looking at
893
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.480
this and saying they didn't have any impact on each
894
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.400
other's lives. They were just they sang some really good
895
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.599
songs together and that's it. Neither of them had any
896
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.960
influence on what the other one did. They both did
897
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.519
their own things, and we're just kind of passively in
898
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:17.559
each other's lives. Alphaba probably would have faked her death anyway, yes,
899
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:21.719
and Glenda Without Glinda, Linda had no Like Alphaba is like,
900
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.079
I have to do this because there has to be
901
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.440
a wicked witch And I'm like, why does why? Why
902
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.400
does there need to be some a fall person. Can't
903
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.119
Oz be the fall person? Like there was never any
904
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.599
indication like, oh, but everyone believes so much in Oz
905
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.400
that if he's the fall guy, it's going to ruin everything.
906
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.079
It's like, oh, he just left. It seems like everyone's
907
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.840
doing just fine without him, Like nobody really cares. Like
908
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.440
we're digging at plot holes, but I think if the
909
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.400
film was any good, the plot holes wouldn't matter. And
910
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.639
I think the crux of it is this relationship. Their
911
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.039
chemistry is wonderful, their songs are wonderful. I'm looking at
912
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.039
it and saying, what did their friendship mean to each other?
913
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.440
I'm punching down a little bit. But Lord of the Rings,
914
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.920
Frodo and Sam, what did their friends? Frodo wouldn't have
915
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.320
gotten very far without Sam. That's what we find out.
916
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.559
Sam's growth is he goes from being kind of the
917
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.079
passive tag along to being the hero of the journey
918
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:12.400
and saving Froda, Like you know what I mean, Like,
919
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.679
what did Glinda do for alphabut I inspired her to
920
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.519
do what? I don't know, Alpha Bud. Her life was ruined.
921
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.119
And then Pierro is the one who loves her and
922
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.679
they go off together. So Glinda is just kind of like,
923
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.960
I am more proactive and persuasive. Now I'm going to
924
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.960
do the right thing. And it's like, well, you didn't
925
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.760
do the right thing. You just went along with the narrative.
926
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.559
Alphabet said that's what the people need. Why do they
927
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:48.239
need it? And then no one oz leaves Alphaba Alpha.
928
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:50.239
But Glinda was the one who says, you need to
929
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.079
leave now, and it's like, okay, so she did that,
930
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:54.159
and she.
931
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.599
Put Michelle Yoe's character in prison. I can't remember her name.
932
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.559
Sorry, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, So I.
933
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:01.920
Guess the monkeys work for her now.
934
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.480
Yeah, that's my whole thing comes down to, like it
935
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.960
should have been focused on the two of them. This
936
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.400
movie made a fatal flaw in the story itself by
937
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.599
separating the two of them and having a whole movie
938
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.880
with the two of them separate for most of it
939
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.519
is a major flaw in the film. So it just
940
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.280
doesn't work. And it would have possibly worked better if
941
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.320
it had been the final thirty minutes you could cut.
942
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.639
You could cut out a good chunk of this movie
943
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.840
and I would be fine, and then put the thirty
944
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:35.960
important minutes at the end of part one and it
945
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.559
would be like, okay, Yeah.
946
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.840
I would say, like, if you're listening, go watch the
947
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:43.480
first one.
948
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.039
Don't don't let this deter you, though, because the first
949
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.599
one is such good, good, good cinema. It's good cinema.
950
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.920
I really loved it. I will watch that again. I
951
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.480
just probably won't pick up the second movie ever again. Yeah,
952
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.320
I'll just know how it ends in my heart.
953
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.199
We own the first one, and I'm like, oh, well,
954
00:47:58.199 --> 00:47:59.599
at least you can buy the second one.
955
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.960
I think we we didn't on purpose. We're like, well,
956
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.679
it's streaming, let's watch it on you know peacock.
957
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.840
And remember the tag at the beginning with what's his name? Yeah,
958
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.880
we're at the beginning. Gosh, this is a bad omen too.
959
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:13.320
You even made a joke about it, but it was
960
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:17.039
a bad omen. He's like, welcome to the streaming version
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of Locked for Good. And if this was a movie theater.
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We'd tell you to silence your cell phones and not
963
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.920
to talk, but you can look at your cell phone
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and talk that. I was like, excuse me, as a centophile,
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I'm sitting there. I'm like, I feel personally attacked here,
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like you want me to be on my phone during
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00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.079
the I think the point was like I have fun
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with your friends, but it's just a long Yeah, it
969
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.239
was like on your get your phones out, Like what
970
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:43.840
are you talking about. I'm not going to get my
971
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phone out.
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It felt like we were watching the singalong version, which
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sometimes movies put out like there's a Moana singalong version,
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but this wasn't a singleong version, so it's just a
975
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.559
little weird.
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00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.119
There is a singalong version of the film, well may
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it not have been at the top of that, but
978
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:58.199
having that at the beginning, like where it's like we're
979
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.599
in the midst of like the theatatrical experience is dying
980
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.119
and we got to save it. And then you have
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00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:07.199
on Peacock, the least popular streaming service, this guy is saying,
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take out your phone, do it. I'm just like, wow,
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00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.400
on many levels, it feels like this this didn't work,
984
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.719
So yeah, disappointing, very underwhelmed, and the first one I
985
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.920
think is great in a weird way. Like you said,
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I think I would probably tone down some of my
987
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.480
complaints about the first film because I find myself looking
988
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.400
back so fondly on it. Yes, I kind of am like, well,
989
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.119
you know, define gravity. I don't really need to see
990
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.400
what happens to the Witch after define Gravity. I can
991
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.880
just enjoy that as the final moment in the film. Yeah,
992
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.519
anything else, any other thoughts?
993
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.480
I know, I.
994
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.079
Always feel kind of bad when I spend most of
995
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.199
the time talking about how I didn't enjoy a film
996
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.199
because people put a lot of hard work into things.
997
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:59.320
So I want to recognize that hard work.
998
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:03.800
And I, you know again, like I think the actors
999
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:07.639
are great, it's just like that just the script was
1000
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.119
a little c There's just something off with this one
1001
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.039
that if this has given me anything, I desperately want
1002
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.639
to go watch the play. I'm so curious, Like I
1003
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.760
want to formulate like a more well rounded opinion from
1004
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.440
the source. And people seem to really love the whole play,
1005
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.840
you know, so I'm like, I want to see that
1006
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.400
and see like where this went.
1007
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.800
Wrong almost, you know, I'm really curious.
1008
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:32.920
Gase people you don't hear people saying, oh, the first
1009
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:34.280
part of the play is good, I don't really like
1010
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:34.800
the second.
1011
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.000
It's like, no, the whole play is a masterpiece.
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00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.159
It's incredible, it's wonderful, it's beautiful, it's powerful.
1013
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.360
I'm like, Okay, I want to go experience that.
1014
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.679
I want to experience this whole story in that fashion,
1015
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.559
not just the first fifty percent.
1016
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.639
So I think we should figure that out.
1017
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.400
New York. What should our rating system being?
1018
00:50:58.280 --> 00:50:59.920
How monkey? What do we do for the first one?
1019
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.719
I don't I don't remember brooms, I don't remember how
1020
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:12.440
many flying monkeys, how many shameless Dorothy cameos, how many totos?
1021
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:13.719
Okay, I would give it.
1022
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.960
Five, two as well, two out of five sounds good.
1023
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.119
And the first one I gave four and you gave
1024
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.480
it five.
1025
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.679
This might be the lowest I've ever rated something on Missing.
1026
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.119
So too, and I think a lot of it just
1027
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.000
the first one such a high bar. It's just so disappointing.
1028
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.360
And on another level, it's like, how is the second
1029
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:38.119
part of this story that was a single story so underwhelming.
1030
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:38.760
And so disjointed?
1031
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:40.599
Yes, it just I think it just comes down to
1032
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.800
the filmmaking, and I think I really think what happened
1033
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.800
was instead of refining the script and making it work
1034
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:48.599
on its own thing, they were like, we already got
1035
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.519
the money people, we've got the audience. Let's just do it.
1036
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.079
We don't have to worry about that. So that that
1037
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:53.800
bumps me out.
1038
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:55.719
Vocals were incredible.
1039
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:58.760
I want to end this on a positive note, is
1040
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.079
that two leading ladies.
1041
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.519
Oh my gosh, they can sing.
1042
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.519
They can freaking sing, even with like not as much
1043
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.360
of the powerhouse or the fun jingle.
1044
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:11.360
Yeah. Well the song they sing together at the.
1045
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.239
End was really that was beautiful. That was probably my favorite.
1046
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.280
Part of Yeah, of the movie, the two of them together.
1047
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:18.719
Yeah, I know, I'm like more of that.
1048
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.320
So all right, well there you go. That's it. That's
1049
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:27.440
wicked word Yeah, wicked forever and ever, immortalized on missing frames.
1050
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.639
So so sorry, so sorry everyone. Which one did you
1051
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.519
like more? The first part the second part? I've heard
1052
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:36.760
a couple of people say they like the second one more, which.
1053
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.880
I'm I would I would love to hear that camera.
1054
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.199
Yes, So please hit me up on Twitter at yea
1055
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.639
chondor Man or wherever, Instagram shondor Man, and then I'm
1056
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.519
on letterbox if you want to follow me there. Schon
1057
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.440
Doormano five. Thank you all for listening. Thank you my
1058
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.400
lovely wife for and during this movie with me, and
1059
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.679
we will see you at the movies with no cell
1060
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.760
phones and no singing along at this Although it would
1061
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.199
be fun to go to a single one for this
1062
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.000
now that we've seen it, for the first one, not
1063
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.360
for this. Yes, let me be clear. Put it. Take
1064
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.639
the first one, Take the thirty minutes of this morning,
1065
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.559
put it together into a single, single one experience. That's it.
1066
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Thanks everyone
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For good