It's Just Eyebrows - Until It Isn't (Episode 148)

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MindShift Power Podcast.
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This is Mind Shift Power Podcast, the number one critically acclaimed podcast where we have raw, unfiltered conversations that shape tomorrow.
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I'm your host, Fatima Bay, the Mind Shifter.
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And welcome everyone.
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Today we have with us Tani Dipp.
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She is out of California and she is the CEO and founder of Sway Browse.
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She is which is a permanent makeup studio and academy.
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Today we're going to talk about what happens when the work you do starts to mean more than money.
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She's here to help us understand about doing something that matters before just chasing a paycheck.
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How are you doing today, Tanny?
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Hi, I'm doing great.
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Thank you so much for having me here.
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So uh I like to dive right in.
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So I want you to take us back to the beginning.
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So you first of all, you've built this this this business from the ground up yourself, which is amazing and awesome.
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So kudos to you for that.
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Um but I want you to take us back to the beginning.
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You almost quit multiple times.
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Like I said, you're very successful now, but you almost quit multiple times.
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What kept you going when everything in you was like, stop, I quit?
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You know, in the beginning, when um I was I started uh learning about microblading, or I took the training course.
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I was really over my job at that point.
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I was working, you can call it a nine to five in the fashion industry.
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And I had been doing it for almost 10 years.
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I was a sales and marketing manager working in design, product development, um, sales, marketing, website building, photography, anything that required, you know, uh I was I there's so many hats working for a small company.
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So I did a lot of things with that company and um I loved the experience.
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I worked there for a long time, but I hit my wall.
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I felt like I hit my ceiling and the work started becoming more administrative than it was creative.
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And I think that was where I started to lose interest and starting feeling not aligned with it anymore.
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So I was looking for an outlet, an escape, if you will.
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And I got into microblading and I took the training course and it was um an online training course.
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They give you about six months to finish it.
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But my goal was to finish faster so that I could start taking clients, so I could start building momentum and then eventually quit my job.
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I knew that there was going to be a point where I had to straddle both things as I'm making the transition, right?
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Because I couldn't let go of my my full-time job because that was my income.
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Right.
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And I couldn't dive into this 100% yet because I didn't even know if I was going to be good at it.
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Was I gonna be able to tattoo people's faces every day?
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I don't know.
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Um, but I had to try it to see.
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And when I got into the training and doing it on fake skin, I immediately fell in love with the art of it because I'm an artist.
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I love to draw and I love to just work with my hands.
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And I was really uh excited about it.
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It was really fun.
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And I knew that okay, so practicing on fake skin is one thing, and now I actually have to take what I learned and work on a real model, like a real client.
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My first five clients were my friends.
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Yeah, that's the way it works.
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Bless their hearts, yes.
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And I have two groups of friends, you know, one of one group of girlfriends that I went to high school and college with are really good with their makeup, very fashionable.
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You know, they didn't look my way for years.
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But the group of friends, I had another group of friends that I danced with, and these girls were like hippies, circus performers, and you know, they were very natural and like anything I did to their brows was probably better than anything that they could do.
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They weren't really into makeup and all that.
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So and at the time, microblading was very new.
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So they took a chance and they were like, okay, sure, like, you know, we'll and I told them, Look, I'm trying to change my career.
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I would really appreciate your support.
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Anyone that wants to be my model, like this is what it's supposed to look like.
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And I show them my practice work and I show them my teacher's work and what it's supposed to look like, right?
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My first model, oh my God, I had been practicing for months, and she was a good friend of mine, and I used to rent space in the back room of a hair salon, and it was my sister-in-law's studio where she does like she's an aesthetician.
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She does, she did PMU too, she did a lot of different things, but she said I could use her studios uh at like at 3 p.m.
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on Saturdays and Sundays only.
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So that was like my only slot, and it was an hour away from my house.
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And so one of my friends, she came to my house, we carpooled together and we got to the appointment, and I started getting so nervous.
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I was literally shaking.
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I thought I was gonna throw up on myself.
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I blacked out, forgot everything that I had been practicing for months.
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These brows that I had drawn like a hundred times, I just went blank after I mapped her shape and then I started working on it and I just didn't know what to do.
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But you know, I tried to stay calm and tried not to puke, and now I was like, okay, I'm I can do this, I can do this.
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And um, I took me four to five hours, and in the end, I was so disappointed in my result.
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It was nothing like I had been practicing.
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And my friend was so kind and she was so sweet, and she was like, Oh, don't worry, like, you know, uh, and and I had offered them a touch-up in about six to eight weeks.
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So she's like, maybe you, you know, you can fix it at the touch-up.
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And it wasn't awful by any means, but it was I was just I felt really defeated.
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And the good news was I I didn't even go deep enough into her skin to to make like to do anything.
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Honestly, it was it would have just faded away.
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I think it did just fade away because I was just barely scratching the surface.
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Yes.
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Good, right?
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At least I didn't go too deep and then you know mess her up.
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But then I was so sad, you know, it was a very quiet ride home five hours later, and I didn't really do anything that I thought I was gonna do.
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And I got home that night and I cried and I wanted to give up.
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And I was like, I don't think I can do this.
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This is so hard.
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And, you know, if it was easy, anybody would do it.
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But, you know, my husband said, Look, you've already invested so much time and you've invested a lot of money, and you know, it's your first time.
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You're gonna have to suck before you get better at it, you know.
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You had just gotta keep trying.
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Yep.
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And right, so I had to, you know, brush myself off and like, okay, I can do this, I can do this.
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My second friend, it was even worse.
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Really?
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Even worse, the experience.
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Yes, I made her brows like way too thick, and this time I thought I didn't go deep enough the last time, so I went a little deeper, and I think I just did a little too much, and um, they were awful.
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They were awful.
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She tried to go home and remove it herself that night with something she Googled online, like a salt and lemon mixture.
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Oh my god.
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And you know, I know it was awful.
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So were you ready to quit then?
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I was ready to quit again, and I was like, I cannot do this.
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I may I just did it, I made it even worse.
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I don't this is, I don't know if I'm cut out for this.
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Like, this is just so hard.
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And again, here comes my husband, like, it's okay, you know, it's you know, and I was like, I did it even worse than the first time.
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I don't know, I'm gonna come back from this.
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He's like, Don't worry, but I had already like had a third and fourth and fifth model booked.
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So they were also my friends, they were already scheduled.
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So, and and you know, I I had to, I was too embarrassed to even submit it to my instructor.
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That's how like bad it was.
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So I again I had to just sit with it for a little bit and then really face my mistakes and see what I did wrong and just figure out how I won't make those mistakes again.
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And when I got to my third, because I still had to, I had to get up and I had to keep going.
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My third client was also another friend, and this time I did better.
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You know, I didn't make the shape too thick, I didn't go too deep, and she had a good amount of hair already, so it was a little bit easier.
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The first two were very challenging because the the hair growth and like everything about it was challenging and especially hard because I was so nervous.
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So by the third one, I got a little bit better, got a little bit felt more confident, I didn't mess anything up.
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She loved it, she was super happy with it, and I felt like, wow, I I did that.
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Like, okay, I it's possible.
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I'm starting to feel better.
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It's possible, yeah.
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And then so I actually submitted that to my teacher.
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My teacher said, Okay, you did a nice job, but the top of the brow looks a little round, so why don't you try making these adjustments and try again?
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So, okay, I gotta try again.
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So my fourth model, another friend this time.
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Um, I I thought I did better, the shape was better.
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I got through it with a little bit more confidence.
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When I look back at that photo now, I'm just like, yeah, yikes.
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But my teacher probably felt bad for me.
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You know, she was like, she gave me like an A for effort.
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And so she I finally passed.
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And I think that gave me the confidence I needed once I got certified that, like, okay, you can do this.
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Like, you just gotta, yeah, keep trying.
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You're gonna get better and better with every client, you know.
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So um multiple times I I was ready to throw in the towel.
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But I'm really glad that I just kept pushing myself.
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And I think I kept pushing myself because the reason why I was doing this was I I I had to quit my job.
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Like I just could not even fathom working there like another year.
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I just I was feeling so unhappy.
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And and then I knew that I just wanted to create something for myself.
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And I was getting really uh excited about the art that I was creating and you know, but at that point I was working on all my friends and it didn't it didn't feel like enough of a reason yet to anchor me, so I was still unsure about whether or not I could make a career out of this versus a side hustle.
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Right.
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So go ahead.
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What I what I'm hearing is um what I'm hearing is you had to fail a bunch of times in in order to get to the point where you kept doing it and you decided to continue to move forward.
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I think that that is uh a a lesson that you know we hear sometimes in in different ways, but um it's especially hard when you're new to something.
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So since this we're talking this, you know, that our audience is teens, and we're talking about young adults and teens, it's especially harder when you're new at something, regardless of age, actually.
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But when you're a teen, you're always new at something, right?
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So, you know, the younger you are, the more new you are at something.
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And um, just imagine, and I'm talking to the audience right now, imagine we wouldn't, she wouldn't be here right now and I wouldn't know her name, and neither would you if Tanny had decided to just quit because the first couple of times didn't go well.
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But I wouldn't say that you were a failure, Tandy, because you don't really fail until you stop trying.
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But you kept trying.
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So I I want to move on to a particular story um that really kind of anchors this episode together.
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So there was, I think it was your 11th client, and what happened in that appointment and what did it do to you?
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So up until this point, my first 10 clients were friends, family, and I was just making their brows look better.
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And I didn't feel I wasn't sure if um it was meaningful enough, or I didn't know that like w the the power of eyebrows.
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And then my 11th client was a friend of a friend, was referred to me, and she when I asked her for a photo just so I can see what I was getting into, she sent me a photo of her eyebrows, and they had nothing, no hair, not even one.
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And and I s and she explained that um, so I've lost all my hair, I have trichotilomania, it's a condition where I nervously pull out all my hairs and lashes, and this is something that I've been dealing with since high school.
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Oh wow.
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I'm married, I have two kids, I sneak off to the bathroom every morning when I wake up and I draw my eyebrows in, I have a pencil, stencil, like a 15-minute routine every morning, and I don't feel confident enough to face the world until I have my eyebrows drawn on.
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Oh wow.
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And I was I thought, wow, that's awful.
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You know, I I'd never met anyone that had that uh condition.
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And so I was very nervous because I'd also never worked on somebody that had no hair.
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Up until this point, the hairs can kind of hide any flaws or if there's any imperfections.
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So I knew that I had to do a really good job.
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And when she showed up to the appointment when I met her, she was very meek, timid, um, couldn't really even look me in the eyes.
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She was looking at down the whole time.
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And wow, I had been practicing that whole week, had to say a little prayer just to make sure that I could do this thing.
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Please, God, please bless my hands.
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I can help this lady.
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And I worked on her and I was really proud of myself.
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I thought I did a really good job.
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And when I showed her the brows, uh, held my breath and she looked at them and paused for a moment.
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And then she started tearing up and she was like, Oh my God, are you telling me like I can wake up like this tomorrow?
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Like I don't have to sneak up to the bathroom and you know, and fill my brows in.
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And she started crying and she said, Can I give you a hug?
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I love them.
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And she hugged me and she said, Tanny, you have no idea.
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You just changed my life.
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And then I started crying, and then she started crying.
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We're just standing there hugging each other, crying, and I'm just like, I'm not crying.
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You are.
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You know, I've never experienced something like that.
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But, you know, I went home that night feeling so good and proud of myself.
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And she sent me this really nice text message reiterating her gratitude, and just said, Tanny, like I didn't ever think I would have a solution to my problem, and they look natural and I love them, and I wish you, I pray for you in your business, and I hope you can help as many people as you can help me.
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Again, like, thank you, you've changed my life.
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And that was a pivotal moment in my career where I was like, wow, that's deep.
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Nobody ever told me that they I changed their life from anything that I've done.
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And so in that moment, I felt like, okay, this is my calling.
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Like, this is the universe telling me that this is my calling.
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And I made a promise to myself to be the best brow artist I could be, so I could help as many people as I can.
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And I'm just gonna go hard 100% and like focus on this and and and try to make it so that I can do it full-time and eventually leave my job.
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Did it do you feel like it that moment with that one client, do you feel like it it was your driver for a long time?
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It was a catalyst for sure.
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Because after that client, um, because in the beginning I was only doing friends and family, but then when I was when I started building my content and my social media, I started attracting strangers.
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I remember my 19th client was someone that found me online that had no connection to me whatsoever.
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And I felt that was like the best day of my career because I felt so validated that a stranger trusted me and paid me full price.
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Everybody else had been discounted up until that point.
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And I was like, wow, if I can get one person to do this, I can get 10 people.
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And all the strangers that were coming to see me after that were women of all ages, all you know, skin types, diversity, ethnicities, different brows, like, and suffered from many different conditions.
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So here I was thinking this industry was superficial, wasn't quite sure yet.
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Is it gonna be kind of like the fashion industry where it's just kind of an outer layer thing?
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But then you start peeling back the layers and you're meeting all these people that have lost their brows for different reasons and seasons of their life, or they tweezed them all to hell in 1999, you know, like we're there's a support group for that.
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Like I was guilty of that too.
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But these women that go through menopause or they go through um it had cancer, they've alopecia, and I started working on many more people like that.
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And there were people at one point, I remember like every week there was at least one person crying, tears of joy in my studio just from eyebrows and feeling like they got a piece of themselves back, and you're just like, wow, crazy.
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How did it feel?
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How did it feel?
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And that's the thing.
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People think, oh, it's just eyebrows, it's just makeup, it's just hair, it's just nails, but we or it's just skin, right?
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But when you have a medical condition or a whatever condition, you got an issue and it has become a thing that makes you hold your head down, like that woman that that you talked about and was looking down, no confidence whatsoever.
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When it when it's something that uh harms you in that way, when you come on the back end and you fix it, it's you're not just you know, you're not just making them look pretty, you're building their confidence.
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And confidence is actually everything, it really is.
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And if you don't have it, you will be incompetent at your job, you get into bad relationships.
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Confidence is everything.
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Confidence branches out to many different things.
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And the fact that you build it in the beauty industry, and I'm saying that because some people do think, oh, the beauty industry is just shallow, but it's not.
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You know, I I told you during our call before I I'm, you know, did wedding gowns for many years, and I compare it to that because oh, it's just a gown, it's just one day, not to the bride.
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They put their whole all of their emotional their whole emotional energy right into the dress.
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I mean, you got married, right?
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And absolutely.
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And for someone who's, you know, has issues with their eyebrows like that, or alopecia and they're all gone, you know, there's a lot of different conditions.
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I don't know them all, you do.
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But for something like that, I could see that making a big difference.
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And for the people listening right now, I want you to explain to them what like I don't even know how to word this right now because it's not on my question list, but how deep, how deep does that feeling go when you know that you're actually doing more than just something cosmetic?
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It's like I said, I when I was looking for something to really anchor me and to make me feel like I was making a difference and, you know, personally impacting each and every one of these clients because it's a very intimate experience.
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Like I'm, you know, hands on them and tattooing their face.
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And I've worked on women who like were gotten out of divorces and like let themselves go and like gained a lot of weight, and then they got their brows done.
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And then when I see them six weeks later, they come back, they've lost 10 pounds, they have their lashes, their nails done.
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And they said because they felt so good with their brows, it it motivated them to, you know, get themselves back together and take care of themselves again and like show up, you know, for the world.
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And like if you look good, you feel good, you do good.
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And that trickles down to everyone around you.
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It's a ripple.
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And you just show up with a different air every day, you know, and then you just want to be better at everything.
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And I think being able to just be a part of someone's life like that, and they can look into the mirror and they look at their eyebrows and they think of me.
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And they get to take home a little piece of that, you know?
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And it's just been beautiful.
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So for a young person right now who, you know, maybe they they they've been working jobs, but they have no idea what you're talking about.
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They have not experienced any kind of fulfillment.
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I'll call it that.
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Uh, in your case, the fulfillment you get just gave us the details of your fulfillment, but fulfillment is is the foundational principle, really.
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So you're doing something, not just fulfillment, but meaningful.
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You're actually making a difference in the world by making the difference one person at a time who really needs your services.
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That to me is a big deal.
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So, for the young person listening right now, how can they find their meaningful work?
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I think that when I was young and I was in my teens or 20s, you know, I I didn't know the path that was going to be laid out for me, or I didn't know what any opportunity would lead me to, but I knew that in my core I wanted to do something that would help other people.
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And I didn't know what that was gonna be and to make people feel good or, you know, because we're all blessed with different talents and and different, you know, we have different motives and we have different things that motivate us, but I would just listen to my gut and kind of follow different paths.
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And my original, like, I feel like I have I'm a social butterfly.
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So I have a knack for sales and marketing and talking to people.
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So I started working uh in that those fields because I was naturally good at it and eventually worked in corporate sales, but corporate sales was it was paying me, but I wasn't feeling happy and fulfilled after a while.
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I wanted to do something more creative because the artist in me wanted to do something creative.
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So I decided I wanted to be a fashion designer.
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But then all the sales and marketing skills I had garnered from working in corporate for 10 years, like I took that with me.
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That becomes a part of your arsenal, that becomes a part of who you are and what you can bring to the next thing, right?
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Right.
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So I got into fashion design and got a degree in fashion design.
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But lo and behold, I don't like cutting samples.
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So I became a sales and marketing manager.
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I'd rather slaver, but I get it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, and and the thing is, but you have to do it to get to try before you know what is what you're gonna like and what you don't like.
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But I still ended up working in fashion for 10 years because I loved everything about it.
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I loved, you know, design the design process.
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I was just much better at doing the sales and marketing.
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So that's how I kind of fell into that role there.
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But then when that started being fulfilling and I stopped feeling aligned, then I wanted to find something else.
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And then when I got to permanent makeup, I had 20 years of experience in sales, marketing, design, branding, photography, all of this.
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And I showed up with You know, guns blazing, and I'm like, I just need to learn this skill.
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And I know exactly how to build my business.
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So I was successful very quickly.
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But then, you know, somewhere in between the fashion design, I decided I wanted to be a yoga teacher because I was so stressed out from the fashion industry, high pressure demands, and like somewhat of a toxic environment some days.
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And I needed something to kind of ground me.
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I decided I took a I got certified to be a yoga teacher training, which taught me a lot of discipline and actually gave me more of a sense of like um be caring for others and being a servant and being considerate and having devotion and you know, and and connecting like my mind, body, and spirit.
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So I think that helped me move towards something that was going to be more meaningful.
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But I wouldn't have known that I I never even imagined I would be doing this today when I was 20 years ago.
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But I knew every part of my path, something inside of me was just always telling me that, you know, you're capable, you're talented, and you can do whatever it is you want to do, and the money will come as long as you're taking care of other people and you're making people happy and you're making yourself happy.
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So anytime that I started to feel unhappy in anything that I was doing, then that's when I started to seek something different.
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And I think it's really important to listen to that inner voice because you only you will know, you know?
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Let me ask you.
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You'll just take the steps.
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Let me ask you this as well.
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So a lot of times people think, and I've said this on the show so many times, people think that you only have to take one pathway.
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And I say this because many youth right now are getting outdated adult advice that says that.
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Oh, well, if you're gonna be a doctor, then you have to be a doctor the rest of your life.
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Well, if you want to be a fireman, you have to be a fireman the rest of your life.
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You want to be a cook, okay, so you gotta be able to own a restaurant for the rest of your life.
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And that's that's not true.
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You can switch careers, and it's okay to do that.
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So you went from the fashion industry to what you're doing now.
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Well, yeah, to um to the beauty industry, I'll just say.
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Do you think that being in the fashion industry, if you hadn't been in the fashion industry, that your experience in the beauty industry would be like.
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I would not be doing this.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It you know, what's what's interesting is that um growing up, my mom did nails for like 30 years.
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So I saw the grind, I saw I saw the hustle, and I was naturally drawn to it because she's like my inspiration.
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You know, like you look up to your mother and and and I wanted to be like her and I loved fashion, I love beauty, and all that stuff, but she was like, No, I didn't come to this country so you can go and do nails.
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She was like, You she was like, I do this because you know what I mean?
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She's like, you need to go to school, you need to get a degree, you need to, and she wanted me to take the conventional route.
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And and and she says, uh, I want you to be better than me, you know?
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And and but my sister was also really creative.
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Her and I are like cut from the same cloth, and she's a really great, she wanted to do hair.
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And then, but my sister and I are a little different academically.
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So my mom was like, Your sister's good with her hands, she wants to do hair, she can do hair.
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You are you have a brain for academics.
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So she said, You go and you go this path, right?
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And I did everything she wanted me to do.
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I got a full scholarship to San Diego State Business School.
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And guess what?
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I had a little too much fun, was a little too social my first year, joined a sorority, met a guy, and then fell into academic probation and got kicked out after two semesters.
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And I thought my life was over.
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But and I think but that was something inside of me, like choosing not to go to class because I didn't like it, choosing not, I I was bored to death of the business classes.
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And then I wanted again to, you know, I had to go out into the real world.
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I took a break from school for a little bit, and I did, I worked some office jobs and I did door-to-door sales, I worked at an insurance company, I did all sorts of things to finally come to realize like I don't want to do sales and marketing anymore.
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I want to go and do something creative, and then that pushed me into fashion.
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But you only knew it because you did stuff.
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You didn't just follow it.
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I had to do stuff to know that whether I liked it or not liked it.
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But of course, I'm doing things in the moment to make money, and then you realize money isn't everything.
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I yes, I I want to point out you're bored to death with business classes, yet you are a big businesswoman now.
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I know the irony of it all.
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So it is the irony, but I'm saying that because there's a that that what I that statement that I just made applies to so many people.
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They're sitting in a math class, and they're probably gonna be a future scientist that's gonna use math uh uh 75% of their day.
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And they don't realize that some of the classes you think you hate right now, you'll be in the industry.
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But sometimes the classes are in a format uh that you're that's not good for you.
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And sometimes you're just not mature enough to be ready for it, to be honest with you.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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But I I love that I just thought that was funny.
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But yeah, I love the fact that you you are you are living proof of the fact that you don't have to have one career path.
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You're not a failure if you don't keep doing the same thing over and over again.
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And I'm saying that out loud to the audience because many youth are being told the opposite, mostly by friends and family.
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You know, your father was uh uh a uh doctor, so therefore you have to be a doctor.
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And it's like, no, you they don't.
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If that's not what you want, maybe your father was an uh arm doctor, I don't know, making up something, but you want to be a foot doctor, or you want to work in a medical field in a different way, or you want to be a uh what do you call it?
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Uh veteran.
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Veteran?
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No.
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A veterinarian?
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Yes, thank you.
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Not a veteran.
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Yeah.
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I know that word.
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Veterinarian, the one that works with animals.
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Um, you know, and there's there's different paths that they can take.
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So what do you have to say to the youth of the world today?
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I think that there is no conventional route.
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And society will tell you, you know, the school systems, they're not built to create thinkers and innovators and, you know, designers.
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They are built to create people who will work in a nine to five cubicle for the rest of their life.
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And they're gonna tell you one thing, but I think you have to um, it sounds cliche, but just try and like follow your heart, but then just try different things that you have an interest in.
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These days I see so many young kids on social media and like doing really cool things, like, you know, if whether it's like decorating uh desserts or, you know, painting or doing something creative, like and and you can monetize it uh if you're if you see a demand or a business for it.
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But not everything is about monetization.
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There's some things that you just need to do just to nourish your own soul.
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But I think you do have to have some sort of ambition and you do have to try and show up and have good work ethic, no matter what it is you do, you know, be a good person, be honest to yourself, and just don't don't be afraid to fail.
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The faster you fail, the faster you grow.
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And we are in a constant state of change, so nothing is ever permanent.
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And you can be whoever you want to be, you know, if it makes you happy and you're here to be happy and and have a contribution to society, like you're moving society forward in some way, shape, or form.
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I think that should be the ultimate goal, not to, you know, work at a job for 50 years, have a pension, and wait to retire and not travel or anything like that until you're old.
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Like I feel like life is meant to be lived and experienced, and that's why we're all here as light beings having a human experience.
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You're here to live.
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You won't know what you want to do until you try.
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Yes.
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I I yes.
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I can tell you my own experiences, but that's another episode of things that I that I didn't know, I didn't know that I had a passion for until I started doing it.
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Right.
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Like I really, really well, I'll tell you real quick.
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So I, you know, I've said on here before, uh, I make and design, I used to make and design wedding gowns.
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I was in the bridal industry for over 20 years.
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And what I I came across a specialty that I started specializing in, and I didn't know that I loved it until I did it, and that's heirloom wedding gowns.
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That's where you take your mom's wedding dress from 1984, 1965, or 1991, whatever year.
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And I will I will convert it into a modern dress uh for you to wear down the aisle today in 2026 or whatever year it is.
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And I will literally take that 80s dress, which is so way out of style, but turn it into something that looks, you know, ready for you today.
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It looks like you bought it off the rack.
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I didn't know that I had a passion for that until I did it.
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When I saw, and like you, when I saw the difference that it would make emotionally for people, oh my God, I get to wear my mother or my aunt's or my sister's dress or veil or whatever thing I had, it it meant it wasn't something you could buy at a store.
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It wasn't and you know what it meant so much.
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And I I that's why when you said about the passion, I'm like, I understand that.
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And I really would love for every young person to experience the passions we're talking about.
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Yeah and if you don't, if you're listening now and you've never experienced what we're talking about, it's time for you to change that.
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So Tany, where can people find you?
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So they can find me on Sway Brows.com, my website or Instagram, Sway Browse.
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Um basically those are the two main platforms.
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And um yeah, Sway Brows, find me for services.
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So now I teach other new artists on how to build their skills as well.
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I also coach UD professionals and entrepreneurs on how to build their businesses.
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So we have multiple layers in our business now, but uh our little ecosystem of services, education, and also mentorship.
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So if you're in California and you're interested in her field, she knows how to teach you.
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Well, Tanny, thank you.
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It's been a real joy talking to you.
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I really appreciate you coming on.
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Thank you so much.
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It was a pleasure.
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And now for a mind-shifting moment.
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Today we talked a lot about passion in our work.
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And I want you to really sit for a moment and think about this.
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First, have you ever done work that leaves you that fulfilled and invigorated, that exciting feeling about what you're doing?
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If you have not yet found that, it's time to change.
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And if you are a teenager listening right now, don't settle for anything until you find it.
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It is okay if you need to keep changing careers until you find it.
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Or positions within a company.
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Sometimes that'll do it.
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But don't just work to pay bills.
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Enjoy what you do.
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Do something meaningful.
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If you just work to pay bills, that is the most unsatisfying, unfulfilled, miserable life you could ever have.
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Find your passion.
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You know, people say follow your dreams, follow your passions.
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But the truth is you need to find it first.
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You can't follow what you can't see.
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And you need to figure it out.
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You need to figure it out by trying.
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So go and figure it out.
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You're not wrong.
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There's nothing wrong with you if you need to figure it out.
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Keep trying until you find it.
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