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00:00:15.039This is Mind Shift Power Podcast, the number one critically acclaimed podcast where we have raw, unfiltered conversations that shape tomorrow.
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00:00:19.359I'm your host, Fatima Bey The Mind Shifter.
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00:00:21.760And welcome everyone.
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00:00:24.079Today we have with us Sam Mitchell.
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00:00:26.640He is out of the state of Indiana in the USA.
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00:00:31.600He is the executive director of Autism Rocks and Rolls.
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00:00:39.439So people talk about autistic people, and but mostly they don't actually know what it's like for them.
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00:00:45.600Imagine graduating high school and trying to figure out your future and your college and your autistic.
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00:01:00.399So Sam is also autistic, and he's gonna talk today about what that's like so that we can understand and people with who are autistic out there today can listen in and maybe get some guidance to help them navigate this crazy world.
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00:01:02.000How are you doing today, Sam?
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00:01:03.679Hey buddy, good to be here.
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00:01:05.599Thank you for having me on again.
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00:01:07.840And I I'm glad to have you on.
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00:01:09.680So I like to dive right in.
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00:01:19.439Tell us specifically what it what it is like to walk into workplace or professional setting as someone who is autistic, not the diagnosis, not the label.
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00:01:23.439Scary.
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00:01:34.959While it's on paper, sometimes what's on paper is inaccurate and false.
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00:01:37.519Inaccurate and false, how?
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00:01:41.920Inaccurate and false because the facts on the paper aren't straight.
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00:01:50.239And sometimes when bosses see autism on the resume, it's an automatic disqualification.
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00:01:52.560And that's not the way it should be.
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00:01:54.719It's not the way it should be.
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00:02:00.799So when you say the facts are are different on paper than in in reality, I'm rephrasing what you said.
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00:02:04.560I want to dive a little bit deeper into that because I think I know what you mean.
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00:02:07.280Um and correct me if I'm wrong.
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00:02:20.319So I think what you mean is I know this from dealing with a lot of autistic people over the past couple years, um, that for you, everything on paper needs to match reality.
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00:02:22.319And sometimes yes.
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00:02:35.840I mean, if you're gonna go to Walmart and it says on that paper, hey, you're stocking toilet paper, but then you're gonna instead, oh, even though that's on paper, you're not stocking toilet paper, you're stalking eggs.
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00:02:38.800No, I'm doing toilet paper because that's what it said.
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00:02:41.599Right.
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00:02:44.560And this is something, I'm talking to the audience right now.
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00:02:51.039This is something that is very, very, very common um with people in the spectrum uh to take things literally.
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00:03:06.319Um, I s I can see why that's a problem, but I can also see why uh that can be helpful in the workplace because you get everything to a T.
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00:03:12.639So it's it's scary when you walk in because you're not sure if it if the job is gonna match.
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00:03:13.919What else is scary?
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00:03:16.080Because I know that's not the only thing.
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00:03:38.159Because you don't know if the people are gonna like you off the bat, and then there's and then there's and then I would also try to try again, and there's also this workforce social interaction that people abide by when some people with autism are very free-spirited, have a hard time socializing, they don't understand how to socialize in the workplace as well.
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00:03:40.639Yeah, I know.
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00:03:48.479It's it it's can you explain that to the audience a little bit more of what you mean by not knowing how to socialize?
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00:03:52.560Yeah, basically not knowing how to do a conversation the best way possible.
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00:03:56.000And in the workplace, there's some stuff you can't say.
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00:04:05.360Well, I could easily see some on spectrum saying that because they're impulsive and they get fired the next day and they don't understand why.
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00:04:13.759Do you think by the time someone is going into the workplace as a young adult that they've been they've had some bad workplace experiences already?
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00:04:14.479Oh yeah.
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00:04:22.480I'll be the first one to tell you I've already had a bad workplace, and I'm gonna say the company because I don't feel like sued by them, but I left that job and I found another one.
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00:04:30.000Um is the is getting fired from jobs common for people in the spectrum?
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00:04:31.920Um, sometimes, yeah.
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00:04:38.160The problem is from what I've heard from other people is it's not gaining the job is the problem, it's keeping the job.
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00:04:41.519Yeah, that's that's pretty much what I mean.
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00:04:51.759Um so is is so fear of fear of what the job is going to be like, if it's gonna match what they say it is.
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00:05:02.800Um just to go a little bit off the center from that, as someone who's not in the spectrum, a lot of other people have that concern too, because sometimes people say one thing and they do another.
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00:05:09.920Oh, but if sometimes those on spectrum won't go to that work because they're so afraid of it.
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00:05:19.680I mean, I was afraid of that when I was getting my new job, and I finally do have a job at a part-time shindig at Goodwill, but that's what I was terrified.
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00:05:31.600I mean, I had literally meltdown for three weeks because it was so much stress, and one of those reasons I was stressed was I was afraid that wouldn't be accurate on what I was doing.
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00:05:35.120So that fear kind of wow, for three weeks.
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00:05:39.040So that fear it just had a major emotional impact on you.
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00:05:39.759Oh yeah.
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00:05:42.720I would probably say I hit rock bottom for three weeks.
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00:05:44.319Is that common?
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00:05:45.920It can be.
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00:05:46.800I would say so.
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00:05:49.120You're talking to a guy who's experienced it.
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00:05:51.360Well, I I didn't know that.
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00:05:54.720Um, and I'm sure there's other people there's people who probably didn't know that.
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00:05:56.800Um, but I I didn't know that.
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00:05:58.720And this is why we're having this conversation.
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00:06:02.240Uh, the insight is, I think, something that we could all learn from.
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00:06:04.079So uh let me ask you this.
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00:06:11.519Um we both we both know, and I think a lot of people know, most workplaces are not built with you in mind.
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00:06:21.680Um, what are the specific things that make navigating work harder for someone on the spectrum that people who are not autistic wouldn't even think about or consider?
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00:06:25.519I would say the way they work.
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00:06:32.959I feel like with certain workplaces, there's a way you have to work, and if you're not fit for it, you're cut out.
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00:06:36.480Okay, why are we not adapting to their style?
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00:06:41.199You mean why, you mean, uh, why is the workplace not adapting to you?
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00:06:46.560I mean, I get to a point you can't treat us like kings and queens.
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00:06:47.519I get that.
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00:06:51.199But why aren't you changing up the way we learn?
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00:06:55.120Why do we have to follow that way versus the way we want to?
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00:07:01.360All that should matter is we get the job done efficiently and effectively.
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00:07:05.600And if I had to pick, sometimes they want quantity over quality.
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00:07:07.360It needs to be the other way around.
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00:07:09.439It should be quality over quantity.
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00:07:19.199And what you just said is something that I've heard a lot, actually, from people in the spectrum who've talked to me about what it's like for them.
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00:07:23.360Um, and that is that that is how your brain is wired.
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00:07:27.519Quality over quantity every time, and it doesn't make sense otherwise.
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00:07:33.759And you're right, at least in the US, uh, a lot of workplaces are the opposite.
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00:07:35.759Quality is not cared for at all.
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00:07:37.839Quantity is the only thing that matters.
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00:07:42.000Uh that's not true in every workplace, but it's true in a lot.
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00:07:48.319So I think that that's let's take a little deeper dive into that.
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00:07:55.120Why is quality more important than quantity to someone like you?
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00:08:00.160Quality is more important than quantity because we care more.
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00:08:04.240We care more getting a job right than just throwing it all around.
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00:08:10.720There are some people who have work and will just throw stuff around and then the bosses are like, eh, okay.
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00:08:12.399Why do you want that?
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00:08:16.240Why do you want a C when you can get an A?
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00:08:19.680Mmm, good, good point.
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00:08:22.720And that is what I've constantly heard too.
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00:08:29.040It the logic uh for anyone in the spectrum that I talk to, they think like you.
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00:08:36.240Um, they think like you, the quality over quantity is a good way to put it.
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00:08:45.679Uh am I correct in saying it that way?
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00:08:47.840Yeah, you are correct.
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00:08:53.759So, what kind of jobs would be good for someone in the spectrum?
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00:09:00.320Concrete direction to the point, sometimes very basic, sometimes very advanced.
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00:09:03.840A lot of online jobs too, because we don't have to socialize.
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00:09:08.240What about jobs that have goodwill?
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00:09:16.720I'm purging and I have to sort the colors, and it's different each week, but all I can do is look at say, hey, okay, you know what, you're gonna purge green and black.
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00:09:22.960Okay, that means I will take the board games off the section and it's green and black.
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00:09:24.720I don't have to do anything else.
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00:09:28.720So things that are repetitive are good.
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00:09:35.919Yes, essentially, but with absolute clear direction and no opportunity for variations.
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00:09:40.080To a point, there can be some, but it's gotta be very limited.
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00:09:49.919So when there's too much quote unquote freedom to do what you want, that that is actually a bigger problem than something that is more okay.
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00:09:51.919Uh what what kind of jobs?
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00:09:55.600Okay, so you said that that's the kind of jobs that would be good for you guys.
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00:10:20.639Do you f now let me ask you this when um because this shows for teenagers, so teenagers who are coming out of high school, let's say they're graduating and they're deciding whether or not they're going to college, whether or not they're going to be an entrepreneur, whether or not they're just gonna go to work and never go to college or trade school or they're all the different choices that are out there.
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00:10:26.159How is that different for people like you than the rest of us?
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00:10:43.200I would say that it's very different because yes, you have to have a path, but a lot of people with autism too like to go into self-business because they don't like to work for people, because they don't want to deal with that fear of management being garbage to them.
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00:10:45.440Yeah, I understand that.
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00:10:47.519That makes sense to me actually.
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00:10:52.240Um and correct me if I'm wrong with this statement.
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00:11:00.480Because of what you just said, people who are in the spectrum are used to being mistreated.
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00:11:01.600Is that correct?
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00:11:02.480Oh, yeah.
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00:11:03.039Yeah.
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00:11:03.440Okay.
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00:11:05.279I don't like talking to people at work.
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00:11:09.200It's not because I don't hate the people there, they're just they're nice people.
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00:11:13.200It's just that one, I'm scared because of being mistreated my whole life.
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00:11:19.919And two, I'm so concrete focused on my job that interacting with people is a less of my worries.
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00:11:22.399I care more about doing the job correctly.
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00:11:25.919Which to me makes you a good hire.
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00:11:34.000If I'm it's depending on what the job is, if I'm a boss, then I want to hire people that are that dedicated to making sure they do it right.
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00:11:37.279And that makes sense to me based on other things that I've seen too.
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00:11:46.720Um, but I I pointed that out because I want the I want the audience to understand that when you say fears, I know you're not just talking about one thing.
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00:11:49.840It's a uh it's an accumulation of things.
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00:11:58.399And when you are used to being mistreated, yes, you're afraid to open your mouth, you're afraid to go there, you're afraid you're gonna be mistreated, you're gonna start to work and get fired in a week.
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00:12:03.759So if all these things are going through your head, that must be kind of that that must be difficult.
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00:12:14.799I mean, going from high school to college or whatever your afterlife is gonna be after that, that's always a challenge for anybody, no matter in the spectrum, out of spectrum, black, white, blue, tall, short, whatever.
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00:12:16.480That's that's just for everybody.
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00:12:26.240But specifically with people in the spectrum, I see what you're saying about some of these, some of these things that can be a barrier.
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00:12:38.399Now, I know that you're not necessarily an extra college expert, but I just want your opinion as someone in the spectrum who works with other people in the spectrum who has a greater understanding than most, I would say.
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00:12:43.440How often do people in the spectrum actually go to college?
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00:12:49.120Um that'd be a hard one for me to answer.
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00:12:53.679That's an expert question, but I would say half the population.
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00:12:58.399Okay, so half of the people who are are in the spectrum.
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00:13:10.320Do you do you feel just from who you the people that you've talked to, not from everybody, but just the people that you've talked to and dealt with, do you feel that many of them didn't go to college because they felt it was hopeless?
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00:13:13.360Or they just or they just didn't want to deal with people?
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00:13:14.720Or a little both?
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00:13:15.840That could be the reason.
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00:13:18.080There's a lot of reasons why people didn't want to go to college.
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00:13:20.399Maybe college wasn't the best bet for them.
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00:13:24.399It could have been trade school because that they wanted to do with their life.
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00:13:36.320Maybe it's because that some people with autism have a lower understanding, and if they did something impulsive in college, it'd be an automatic jab through the face.
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00:13:38.240Yeah.
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00:13:40.799Well, let me ask you this.
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00:13:44.879So you've you have yourself built something successful.
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00:13:53.840What did you have to figure out on your own that nobody taught you and nobody warned you about when it comes to operating in the professional world?
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00:13:56.240I'm not running a nonprofit.
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00:14:00.960I'll give you that one because I didn't know nothing about nonprofits.
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00:14:04.799Now I definitely have a boat load, I would say.
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00:14:10.879It's not the highest boatload, but a decent size amount of knowledge when it comes to nonprofits.
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00:14:13.519And how did you learn it?
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00:14:29.759Uh, through just watching, learning, uh having a board, being taught information, learning about how nonprofits have a hard time staying the doors because we get taxed with it.
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00:14:36.240Yeah, not people I don't think people realize that nonprofits are actually one of the hardest things to run.
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00:14:40.399Um they really, really are for a multitude of reasons.
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00:14:47.519But uh well-intended and and you know, good intentions don't necessarily make everything run smooth.
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00:14:48.960Uh, there's a lot of reasons.
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00:14:58.639So, what I'm hearing from what you said is that you learned by a little bit of being self-taught and having a board that helped you learn what you didn't know.
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00:15:00.480Yeah, I would say so.
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00:15:04.639And a board who works with stuff that I know I'm not good at.
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00:15:07.919For example, I didn't really do well in math.
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00:15:12.960I was very C B and A with math, but with a lot of help.
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00:15:14.159Won't lie there.
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00:15:20.799But anyway, I would say when it comes to finances, nightmare.
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00:15:23.279So I got a treasure handle on that for me.
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00:15:28.799I love that you said that because that that that goes way beyond the conversation about autism.
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00:15:33.919If you're running anything and you do and it's a talent you don't have, get someone who has it.
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00:15:35.360Don't try to be everything.
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00:15:36.960You don't need to be everything.
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00:15:38.159Work with the strengths you have.
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00:15:46.080I got a problem with that, I'll be honest with you, because in the job for they want to be the boss of their own way and be a manager.
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00:15:47.279It doesn't work like that.
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00:15:49.519You don't walk in and become the manager.
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00:15:51.759You gotta start from bottom to top, buddy.
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00:15:55.039Sometimes you may have to start part-time where we are today.
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00:15:57.679Yes, and that's a good lesson.
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00:15:59.919That's a good lesson for life in general.
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00:16:11.360Uh, let me ask you this: what do you want employers and co-workers and young autistic people who are entering the workforce right now to understand that would actually make a difference for them?
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00:16:29.120Okay, here's one that's gonna be hilarious because I hate doing this, but I'm doing you have to bend because a great example with my part-time job, I wanted the morning shift so bad because I'm a person who got up early, who'd rather get the job done quick than go do whatever.
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00:16:31.360Yuliberg gets the storm, as they say.
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00:16:33.120That didn't work out.
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00:16:38.720So I had to do the second thing they offered, which is afternoons and evenings.
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00:16:40.080Do I love it?
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00:16:42.399No, but is it decent?
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00:16:43.279Yes.
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00:16:49.360And I know sometimes those with autism want a certain schedule, they may not get that.
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00:17:00.159That's very good advice, actually, Sam, because that is something that is very common for artistic people to have this great aversion to change.
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00:17:02.320Like, it's like the devil himself.
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00:17:11.359At the same time, I think there's a fair compromise where you say, if you're not gonna get this shift, then you can leave.
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00:17:18.640Like, for example, I think I told my mother, I'll do mornings and afternoons, but I'm not not so sure about evenings.
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00:17:21.599But after a little persuasion, my mom finally convinced me.
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00:17:24.559But I also know myself, well, that could have been the other way.
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00:17:26.720I could have said, I'm not doing evenings.
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00:17:29.920I would have had to find another job, clearly.
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00:17:39.599But that may be the consequence, is if you're gonna set a boundary, I get it, but you may have to face the consequence.
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00:17:46.559But I want to be so nice to get the job, but I do agree with saying some boundaries.
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00:17:51.279Okay, so be willing to bend.
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00:17:55.279And I I know that's one of the hardest things, but I also know it's possible.
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00:18:02.319Um, it is possible, but they have to be determined that they're willing to be to make that possible.
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00:18:04.319Like you said, you were like, no, no evenings.
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00:18:10.480And then you're like, okay, well, let me be a little bit flexible, and that probably was a lot for you, but you did it.
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00:18:12.720Um, yeah, I had to make a schedule.
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00:18:19.759I had like this whole elaborate schedule where if I got evenings, this is what I was doing.
00:18:19.759 -->
00:18:20.880Oh, okay.
00:18:21.039 -->
00:18:23.279So it came with a little bit of compromise.
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00:18:28.960Yeah, the compromise is I'll do evenings, but we're gonna follow this exact schedule.
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00:18:32.079What advice do you have for the youth of the world today?
00:18:32.400 -->
00:18:35.839Well, have you ever seen the movie Kung Fu Panda 2?
00:18:35.839 -->
00:18:37.359Now, there's a reason why I'm asking this.
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00:18:38.079I promise.
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00:18:40.000It will make sense in the end.
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00:18:41.680I have not.
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00:18:42.960Okay.
00:18:42.960 -->
00:18:44.160Good.
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00:18:44.720That's good.
00:18:44.720 -->
00:18:47.519Now, if you have seen now, if you have seen it, great.
00:18:47.519 -->
00:18:48.319You know what I'm talking about.
00:18:48.319 -->
00:18:50.799If you haven't, spoiler alert, you might want to turn this off now.
00:18:50.799 -->
00:18:59.759But anyway, in the movie, Poe learned where he came from from his after his he learned where he came from, and he learned his parents got killed.
00:18:59.759 -->
00:19:05.759And I think someone who was on the bad side turned good, helped Poe out.
00:19:05.759 -->
00:19:11.519And she said this and it very resonated me after Poe realized and had his moment of sadness.
00:19:11.519 -->
00:19:21.200She stated, and I quote, your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't define who you are.
00:19:21.200 -->
00:19:24.960It's the rest of your story, who you choose to be.
00:19:24.960 -->
00:19:32.079Because some people with autism and the youth have had the worst cards dealt to them.
00:19:32.079 -->
00:19:37.039But here's my question: Does the apple really have to fall off from the tree?
00:19:37.039 -->
00:19:42.559Do you have to be the same person you were that your father was?
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00:19:43.200No.
00:19:43.200 -->
00:19:45.920You don't have to be them.
00:19:46.960 -->
00:19:48.400Change the pattern.
00:19:48.400 -->
00:19:51.119So we can be who we want to be.
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00:19:54.640We don't have to be our past or our parents' past.
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00:19:55.759Correct.
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00:19:57.279That's excellent.
00:19:57.279 -->
00:19:58.960That's excellent.
00:19:58.960 -->
00:20:05.599So tell us more about I mentioned that you're the executive director of autism, rock and rolls, but we didn't talk about what that is yet.
00:20:05.599 -->
00:20:09.440So tell tell the audience what is autism, rocks and rolls, and what do you do?
00:20:09.759 -->
00:20:12.640So what I do is I run a podcast called Autism, Rocks and Rolls.
00:20:12.640 -->
00:20:17.839That's a podcast about autism and how we cope with daily struggles that you may or may not understand through the podcast.
00:20:17.839 -->
00:20:18.720It's grown so much.
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00:20:22.079I develop sponsors, a board of six, as we mentioned.
00:20:22.079 -->
00:20:24.079I do events at NES is where I'm from.
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00:20:27.119We actually have a poker run coming in a couple months.
00:20:27.119 -->
00:20:29.119And then we also do events as well.
00:20:29.119 -->
00:20:35.279And then the speaking engagements, I've spoken in Oklahoma, Orlando, and Canada, all over the place, man.
00:20:35.279 -->
00:20:41.359And we also have a lot of irons in the fire with a children's book in the works and educational modules.
00:20:41.359 -->
00:20:44.160So sounds like you do it a lot.
00:20:44.960 -->
00:20:48.880I think it's really excellent that you have iron speaking all over the place.
00:20:48.880 -->
00:20:51.839Say it again.
00:20:51.839 -->
00:20:54.640I'm wearing a lot of hats.
00:20:54.640 -->
00:20:56.160Sounds like it.
00:20:56.160 -->
00:20:58.960And um, and I I I will be honest with you.
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00:21:02.400I love that you're doing all of that for a couple different reasons.
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00:21:04.000Number one, because it helps people.
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00:21:05.279That's always what I'm looking at.
00:21:05.279 -->
00:21:08.000The number one reason uh it helps people.
00:21:08.000 -->
00:21:12.319But number two, it defies stereotypes.
00:21:12.319 -->
00:21:22.240I love that you're defying the stereotype that all you are is a label of autistic, and you're, you know, showing that you're so much more than that.
00:21:22.240 -->
00:21:26.319Um, and that you can do whatever you want to do, and you're doing it.
00:21:26.319 -->
00:21:26.960And I love that.
00:21:26.960 -->
00:21:28.160I think it's great.
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00:21:30.400So, how can people find you?
00:21:31.039 -->
00:21:32.480Oh, I'm not hard going to find you.
00:21:32.480 -->
00:21:34.559Google me on your favorite media platform.
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00:21:36.960Just Google me your search engine optimization.
00:21:36.960 -->
00:21:38.000Something will pop up.
00:21:38.000 -->
00:21:40.160My official website's Autism, Rocks and Rolls.
00:21:40.160 -->
00:21:42.559Do me a favor though, don't search my name.
00:21:42.559 -->
00:21:47.440The only reason I say it's because you get a basketball player, and I've done no slam dunks lately.
00:21:47.440 -->
00:21:56.480So, best thing to look up is Autism, Rocks and Rolls, and something will pop up on Apple Podcasts and Podme or Spotify.
00:22:00.960 -->
00:22:06.559No, I'm pretty sure that whoever the basketball player is doesn't look like your picture on the front cover.
00:22:07.039 -->
00:22:08.079He doesn't, trust me.
00:22:08.079 -->
00:22:10.960We let's just say we both have different skin tones.
00:22:12.559 -->
00:22:13.200Yes.
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00:22:20.319Well, Sam, it's been really great having you on, and and thank you for helping us to understand and giving us some insight.
00:22:20.319 -->
00:22:24.240Um, and I hope that we send some people over to your podcast.
00:22:24.559 -->
00:22:25.440Oh, please do.
00:22:25.440 -->
00:22:26.480I'm looking forward to it.
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00:22:27.279Thank you again.
00:22:27.279 -->
00:22:28.319Appreciate it.
00:22:29.680 -->
00:22:33.759And now for a mind-shifting moment.
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00:22:43.119I want to take a moment to talk to employers because this conversation was about people who are autistic.
00:22:43.119 -->
00:22:50.559But I want you to focus on a piece of the principle behind it that goes beyond autism.
00:22:50.559 -->
00:23:03.599And that is do you make room for the humans who can maximize your business or do you try to force the humans you do have to fit into boxes that were never made for them?
00:23:03.599 -->
00:23:21.759You see, when we take the time and actually are willing to make adjustments to get the best out of the people that we have as business owners, you maximize everything and including your bottom line because you'll be able to keep people.
00:23:21.759 -->
00:23:31.279And having someone who's very finicky about details and loyal and cares about things being right, that sounds like a pretty good employee to me.
00:23:31.279 -->
00:23:35.519But do you try to force them into a box that was never made for them?
00:23:35.519 -->
00:23:37.920Whether they're in the spectrum or not.
00:23:37.920 -->
00:23:46.160So if you own a business or your manager of any kind, I want you to think about that.
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00:24:04.799If you control the systems, the work environment, wherever you are, do you make adjustments to get the best out of what you have or do you force humans to fit into boxes that were never made for them?
00:24:04.799 -->
00:24:06.799Just think about it.
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