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Speaker 1: How like, soon did you start coaching when you came home from prison?
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Speaker 2: The minute they said I could, really, I was doing it in the halfway house, really on my phone.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Salzman is a mother, a nurse, and a life coach. You may have heard of her before.
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Speaker 3: Nancy Saltzman, the co founder of the Capitol Region based as sex called Nexium, has been released from prison.
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Speaker 1: But you probably didn't know that. Nancy's also an expert and something called neuro linguistic programming.
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Speaker 3: It's about engineering consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Oh god, I felt like I could communicate telepathically.
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Speaker 1: Well, I knew that it was cultish and weird, but I liked it for all of those reasons. Neuro Linguistic programming, or NLP, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.
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Speaker 3: Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. You can simply delete bad habits, banish crippling phobias, and install new behaviors like software.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I know what you're thinking. This sounds like BS.
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Speaker 2: I am Tony.
00:01:08
Speaker 3: Robbins, I am the one stop therapist. But what if it works? This is phenomenal, this is wild.
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Speaker 1: I'm Alice Hines.
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Speaker 3: I'm Zoe La Scause.
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Speaker 1: We're journalists and skeptics and best friends.
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Speaker 3: When we first started making this podcast, we thought we were going to do an expose of NLP.
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Speaker 1: But then we started using it ourselves, and we realized it works really well.
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Speaker 3: Maybe dangerously well. Is it possible to use NLP to manipulate people?
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Speaker 2: All communication is some form of manipulation.
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Speaker 3: NLP was used on me to access my.
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Speaker 2: Subconscious in Actually, most people don't have a will.
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Speaker 3: Army spies, Olympic athletes, and cult leaders all love NLP. You may not have heard of it, but someone's probably used it on you without you knowing.
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Speaker 1: It's lurking in meditation apps, EMDR therapy and a ton of self help acts.
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Speaker 3: But none of this is even the craziest part of the story.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, NLP ended up in court as part of a murder trial.
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Speaker 2: I said, there were three people in the room and one person stead, so we know that one of those two people are maybe both of them did it.
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Speaker 3: From Kaleidoscope Mind Games coming January twentieth, Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: How like, soon did you start coaching when you came home from prison?
00:00:05
Speaker 2: The minute they said I could, really, I was doing it in the halfway house, really on my phone.
00:00:12
Speaker 1: Nancy Salzman is a mother, a nurse, and a life coach. You may have heard of her before.
00:00:18
Speaker 3: Nancy Saltzman, the co founder of the Capitol Region based as sex called Nexium, has been released from prison.
00:00:25
Speaker 1: But you probably didn't know that. Nancy's also an expert and something called neuro linguistic programming.
00:00:32
Speaker 3: It's about engineering consciousness.
00:00:34
Speaker 2: Oh god, I felt like I could communicate telepathically.
00:00:37
Speaker 1: Well, I knew that it was cultish and weird, but I liked it for all of those reasons. Neuro Linguistic programming, or NLP, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology.
00:00:51
Speaker 3: Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. You can simply delete bad habits, banish crippling phobias, and install new behaviors like software.
00:01:05
Speaker 1: Okay, I know what you're thinking. This sounds like BS.
00:01:08
Speaker 2: I am Tony.
00:01:08
Speaker 3: Robbins, I am the one stop therapist. But what if it works? This is phenomenal, this is wild.
00:01:18
Speaker 1: I'm Alice Hines.
00:01:20
Speaker 3: I'm Zoe La Scause.
00:01:21
Speaker 1: We're journalists and skeptics and best friends.
00:01:24
Speaker 3: When we first started making this podcast, we thought we were going to do an expose of NLP.
00:01:30
Speaker 1: But then we started using it ourselves, and we realized it works really well.
00:01:36
Speaker 3: Maybe dangerously well. Is it possible to use NLP to manipulate people?
00:01:44
Speaker 2: All communication is some form of manipulation.
00:01:47
Speaker 3: NLP was used on me to access my.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: Subconscious in Actually, most people don't have a will.
00:01:54
Speaker 3: Army spies, Olympic athletes, and cult leaders all love NLP. You may not have heard of it, but someone's probably used it on you without you knowing.
00:02:04
Speaker 1: It's lurking in meditation apps, EMDR therapy and a ton of self help acts.
00:02:10
Speaker 3: But none of this is even the craziest part of the story.
00:02:14
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, NLP ended up in court as part of a murder trial.
00:02:20
Speaker 2: I said, there were three people in the room and one person stead, so we know that one of those two people are maybe both of them did it.
00:02:29
Speaker 3: From Kaleidoscope Mind Games coming January twentieth, Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
