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Thank you.
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Welcome back, midnight viewers, to Father Malone's Weekly Roundup. Shut up, HP.
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Sorry, one more time.
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No, I think we're going with that one. All right. Okay, yes,
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welcome back to the Roundup, everybody. So, look, this isn't
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going to be a themed episode. Ordinarily, we would be
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reviewing a movie, or I'd be reviewing a movie, or
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I would be reviewing a movie, and that movie should
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be The Stunt Driver, not The Stuntman, which we covered
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the documentary that it's based on last week, but that's
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going to have to wait another week because, folks, I'm tired.
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I'm very tired. It's hard to be a creature, especially
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during Halloween season. But to help me with the load, Mr. HP.
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How are you, brother?
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I'm doing great. How are you doing, my friend?
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I'm tired. I just told you. For fuck's sake.
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Look, I'm in my customary chair. I got my feet up.
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I got the newspaper flipping.
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Through it idly.
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What's going on? What's happening in the world, Father Malone?
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What's happening in the world? It's the world of trailers.
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That's what's happening first. We're going to start with the
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one that everyone's talking about, everyone saw. It's a minute 30.
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The Misadventures of Cliff Booth. I'm going to play that
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right here.
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You heard the story about Bruce Lee getting his ass
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kicked by a stuntman, yeah?
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Oh, yeah.
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This is the guy.
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Evening, fellas.
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I thought I know you from somewhere.
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Name's Cliff.
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I lost count of how many jokers I killed on TV.
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But you, you actually killed people.
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That's just saying what it's like to kill someone with
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a knife.
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Charlie finally tells you what he wants from you and
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all of a sudden he needs a briefcase full of cash?
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Whatever it is you're thinking, it's not.
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What you think. You worked with Rick Dalton for a
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number of years. What brought an end to your engagement? Oh,
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Rick got too fat for me to double him anymore.
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What are your thoughts?
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I honestly could not be more excited. This was the
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news of the week. Spoiler alert. This is, for me,
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the news of the week.
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Are we doing spoilers for just our appreciation of a
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news item? Spoilers. This is HB's favorite.
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No, for real though, we've talked in various other podcasts
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about how much we love, I love, Once Upon a
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Time in Hollywood. It's easily, at least for right now,
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it's my favorite Tarantino movie. I could rewatch that thing
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ad nauseum. So when I heard that they were making
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this Misadventures of Cliff Booth thing, I got excited. And
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then when I heard that David Fincher was directing, I
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got even more excited. And then when I finally saw
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the trailer and saw the vision of what's happening with
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this movie, I'm just, I'm so excited for this movie.
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It looks great.
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I am excited as well. I'm a little more tempered
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with my excitement, though. Why? I was expecting to be
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fucking knocked out by a 90-second trailer from David Fincher.
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And instead, I saw what looked like a passable 1970s thriller.
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And maybe he's going for passable 1970s thriller. That's fine.
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It's just that I wanted a shot of a cab
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from above as it made a corner in San Francisco
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while hunting the Zodiac Killer. You know what I mean?
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I wanted to watch a refrigerator explode in slow motion
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in this trailer.
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Sure. I think David Fincher's Obviously, he doesn't need me
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to defend him, but he's fantastic.
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He does, actually. He called earlier and said, could you
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make sure HB defends me against all comers?
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He's such a protean director. He sort of shapeshifts. No
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two movies are exactly the same. And I love the
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look of this, and I love the actors that he has. Look,
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Peter Weller.
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Is in it.
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We've talked about him unreasonably much over the last few months.
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I don't know why. He keeps coming up, man.
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Oh, you know what? Because of Star Trek. That's why.
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Because of Star Trek, right. And I think we might
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have talked a little bit about Robocop. Obliquely, I don't remember.
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But he is in it. I'm excited about that. Scott
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Kahn continues to morph into his dad.
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It's a little freaky. He looks middle-aged James Kahn now.
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It was for resemblance before, but now they've become the
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same person.
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They've done something with his nose in this. I think
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he's got a little makeup because he doesn't quite look
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like Scott Kahn from Hawaii Five-0.
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I just figured he'd gotten all drunk and roomy. Roomy-eyed. Roomy.
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R-H-E-U. I love that word. The look of it, like
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I said, it looks dark and sinister and fun.
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Brad Pitt is doing his Cliff Booth. thing. I couldn't
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be more excited. We got some stock.
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Car racing in there. I love a good stock car race.
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I don't know why I didn't know this. I didn't
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realize that it's going to play in IMAX.
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I didn't either, and I wondered why. Not that I
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didn't know, but why would you bother to put it
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in IMAX?
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I don't know, but I'm sorely tempted. I mean, I'm
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sure it's going to be just for a week.
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Take it to the gimmick. The gimmick! This is the
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latest 3D thing, right? Sure, but.
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Look, I'm tempted to see it, even though I'm sure
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it's going to be a ridiculously narrow window.
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Are you saying, because it said only, so does that
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mean if I don't go to an IMAX theater, I
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don't get to see this movie?
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Probably in its initial path, because it's premiering on, I think,
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November 25th. That's Thanksgiving weekend. My guess is it'll play
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the holiday weekend, and maybe after that, it'll be on Netflix,
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and we can all enjoy it.
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But, you know, what if I wanted to see this
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in a theater in a format that would have been
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available to me in the 1970s, which is the era
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they're trying to... Speaking of Quentin Tarantino, have you noticed
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on social media recently they rediscovered all of his clips
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from when Django Unchained came out? And whenever he was
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on a black radio station or a black television station,
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you know, Tarantino suddenly was black. So I was like,
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I don't even know what a computer is, man.
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I haven't seen that. specifically but one of my favorite
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podcasts they it's a countdown podcast and one week they
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did a countdown they didn't say who it was but
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it was quentin tarantino doing that that sort of accent
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and it wasn't until maybe number four or three that
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i finally the perspective shifted and i went oh my
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god that's been tarantino the whole time because if you
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don't see him doing it It's easy to mistake him
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for just someone talking in quote-unquote jive.
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I speak jive.
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Immortal Barbara Billingsley.
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That's where Tarantino picked up his accent. From Airplay. Makes
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sense now.
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Tarantino is very problematic.
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Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to this movie. I'm sure the
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next trailer is going to deliver all of the flash
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that I'm looking for this one. But as a... brief
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hors d'oeuvre of theme, perhaps. I think this is just establishing, hey,
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this is not Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Down
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to the fact that they call out Leonardo DiCaprio's character
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as having gotten too fat for Cliff to double him anymore.
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Ultimately, we weren't going to learn anything interesting in this trailer.
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Like you said, I think this is a bunch of
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scene setting. And the next one will give us more
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insight into what the going's on, what are these misadventures
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that Cliff Booth is experiencing.
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There it is, moving on. Second trailer of the week.
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This is many years in the making animated film from
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director Brad Bird. Here's the trailer for Ray Gunn, or
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Ray Gunn. You know, photos are like this business. It's
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all about the light and the dark and Oh, the
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lovely shades of gray in between. What are you looking for, Ray?
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I don't know. Truth? How sad is that?
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Take me down.
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Welcome to the future.
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Six hundred crowns.
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Most flameouts, they leave the city, but not you.
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Mr.
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Gunn, I presume?
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So, uh, what can I do for you? Venus Nova
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is a big star. She's emotional, volatile.
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She does things.
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What kind of things do you mean? How about murder?
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I didn't do it.
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Keep her out of trouble and you'll be a very
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rich man. Get out. You're dead.
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To me, understand?
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We should ask for more money. I keep thinking there
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are no nice surprises anymore. And then you show up.
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Be careful, Ray. We know how the world works. Nobody's pure.
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We all get played.
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Ah! Tell me who hired you, or I throw you
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out the window.
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Classic.
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This is business. It's hard being the only honest players in.
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A crooked game.
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Ray, jump!
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Will you go and do the right thing again?
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Mr.
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Gunn, will you be making a statement?
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Stay tuned. I like you, Gunn.
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You're a real throwback. It's Ray Gunn. HP, what did
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you think of this one?
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Well, I was a little disappointed at first because I
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thought this was a movie about the famous Australian breakdancing Olympian.
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Wasn't she called Ray Gunn?
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Was she Ray Gunn? Every time I see Ray Gunn,
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I always think of Ronnie Ray Gunn. Like this sort
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of every political parody of the 1980s. Oh, yeah. Ronnie
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Reagan in the White House, man.
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That's what Gil Scott Heron used to call him.
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Ronnie Reagan.
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Oh, yeah. That was his thing. His nemesis was Reagan
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for a long time.
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Ronnie Reagan.
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But all bad jokes aside, I slept on this a
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little bit. I wasn't aware that this was a long
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gestating project for Brad Bird. But I'll tell you, the
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trailer looked fantastic. Yeah.
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It made me think in the opening moments, you know,
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why can't we have other detective stories set in the future? Like,
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why is it just owned by Blade Runner? I mean,
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I love Blade Runner, that whatever, we all do, right?
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But can't we have some other gumshoes, like, hoofing it
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around while hover cars are flying overhead? Why not?
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It's such an evergreen theme. I mean, who doesn't love
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a good detective noir picture, right?
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I love it.
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Maybe I'm in a class of my own, but I
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love a good detective picture. And that was the first
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thing I thought of when I started watching the trailer is, oh,
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this is a little bit like a lighthearted Blade Runner
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kind of thing. And then I started thinking, this looks
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a lot like the fifth element in terms of the
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art direction and the cars flying and everything like that.
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But I'm pretty confident Brad Bird will bring something unique
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to this picture.
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I thought the art direction looked like the fifth element,
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but if it took place on Coruscant.
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That's a good point.
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Every time they're like plummeting or flying in the sort
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of above the surface traffic, it just seemed like that
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entire scene on Coruscant from Revenge of the Sith. Was
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it Revenge of the Sith?
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Yeah, the second one.
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No, it was the beginning of Attack of the Clones.
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Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith was the
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third one, right?
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Let me tell a quick autobiographical bullshit story about Attack
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of the Clones. Because I was working at a movie
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theater here in Las Vegas at the time. We hadn't
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yet switched over to digital. We, in fact, got a
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digital projector specifically to show Star Wars episode whatever, the
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Attack of the Clones, right? And so about two months
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before the movie came out, I got a call saying, hey,
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you need to be at the theater at 8 a.m.
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to meet a technician. He's got to work on the
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digital projector. And it was a guy from Lucasfilm. And
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he was there to quality check the theater. And he
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did so by playing the entirety of Attack of the Clones,
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which he was like, it's cool if you want to
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sit and watch it. So for two months, I had
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seen Attack of the Clones and could say nothing to nobody.
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What are you going to say? No?
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No, I don't want to.
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Are you kidding me? It's only the biggest picture of
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the summer. No.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I was like, I get to watch this? He's like,
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I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, just go sit down.
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I'm like, okay, cool. What I found disconcerting about the
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Ray Gunn trailer is that Ray Gunn himself looks disconcertingly
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like Luke Perry. He looks disconcertingly like Luke Perry.
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Huh.
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Go back and watch it again. You'll see what I mean.
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Well, I'm afraid to now because that's all that I'll
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see once now that now having that knowledge, it's ruined
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for me.
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An unlined Luke Perry in a first season of 90210,
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let's say.
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Rest in peace.
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Rest in peace is. I think those are the only trailers.
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All right, we got to jump in. The rest is
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all fucking comic book news, unfortunately, because no other genre
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is pulling it together at the moment. So let's talk. Oh,
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you know what? All right. First of all, There's a
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bunch of set photos from the Hunt for Gollum movie, finally,
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that has been... I don't know, they've been making it
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a while. What's his name's making it? Fucking Andy Serkis
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is directing it.
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Andy Serkis, yeah.
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And this is a story that takes place in between
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The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Who cares? What
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is happening?
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Thank you for saying that. I could not be less
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excited for this. I loved... Like a million other people,
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I loved Lord of the Rings. I loved all those movies.
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I was bitterly disappointed in The Hobbit. I just thought,
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why are you doing this? It just seemed beneath Peter
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Jackson at that point, and I just said, never again.
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When they announced The Hobbit, I thought, that's great. Do
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a small-scale version now. Do the fun little mini version
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of Lord of the Rings with those characters. That'll be fun. No,
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let's make it three fucking movies... And each movie pushing
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two hours. What the hell?
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Just felt so craven and so crass to do that.
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If it had been a single movie, I probably would
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have been delighted by it and said, wow, I'm so
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happy to be in this world again. But now I
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saw those set photos. It's all stuff in the Shire. Yeah.
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That's all that I saw. I think that's what you're
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talking about.
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So it's just a bunch of farmers and their children.
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And I'm like, okay, great. Yeah.
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Look, I'm happy. For all those actors who are going
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to come back and be part of this, because this
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was a life-changing experience for them, but as a filmgoer,
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like I said, I could not be less excited for this.
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I greeted the news with less than a shrug.
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Yeah, like, I'll see it when I can, but I'm
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not seeking it out. Maybe my tune will change. Who knows? Maybe.
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Look, you know, I always reserve the right to revise
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my opinion. I'm not perfect, but I feel pretty safe
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in this.
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HB, are you familiar with artist Grant Morrison, writer Grant Morrison?
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I am.
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I can't say I'm a fan of any specific book
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that he's made, but I'm certainly, by reputation, I'm certainly
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familiar with him.
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He did a run of Green Lantern that was really
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good and a run of Batman, as a matter of fact. Well,
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he finally saw Supergirl.
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Boy, did he.
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I'm going to read you the quote, everybody. Quote, Jason Momoa,
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who I was actually looking forward to, was very disappointing
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as Lobo. It was, in fact, one of the worst
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performances I've ever seen in a film, and quite baffling.
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As I know, Momoa's not usually that bad. And Lobo
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seems like a character made for him to play. Go figure.
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Not that bad. That's faint praise if I ever heard it.
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Yeah, I think, does he follow it up? Hold on.
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Let's see if he.
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Well, he had some nice things to say about Supergirl.
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Yeah, he said she did a credible job.
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Yeah, I just think he's being very reserved. just as
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a rule there. But, look, I didn't see Supergirl, I confess. Yeah.
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It just didn't wow me, and then I started hearing
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about how mediocre it was, and I just said, I'm
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not going to, I'll see this when it comes to
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streaming or what have you.
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I still say that, see that movie, man. I think
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it's a good movie. Morrison brings up the fact that
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the villain is just a low-level Romanian gangster, and that's
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the big problem with the movie. Lobo as a sweetener
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is just okay, but if you're looking for Lobo as
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a full-on character from the comic books, you're going to
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have to wait for whatever R-rated movie they will or
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will not make in the future.
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I think he might have said something about this, or
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maybe the article I read said it, that it smacked
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of reaction to audience previews. They felt like they had
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to add a little spicy something, so they added Lobo.
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I think you might have even said that in your review,
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Father Malone, that it clashed with the rest of the movie.
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Yeah, because he comes in and it's suddenly a Lobo
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movie for, you know, 10 minutes. And that's not what
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we're telling here. So I don't know if he was
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in the original comic or not, or they just shoehorned
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him in because they wanted to kickstart this universe. But
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I don't know. I didn't think he was terrible as Lobo.
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I think he has a lot of promise as Lobo.
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I just don't think we've seen that character to its
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full potential just yet.
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Lobo.
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But do you think he's the one to fulfill that potential?
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Yeah, absolutely. I think if you give him the right script,
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then he would be fantastic in it. Or not. Who knows?
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I've never liked Lobo as a character myself. I always
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thought it was part of that 90s extreme movement that
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was going on in comics where even belt buckles had
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to be inflated and swollen.
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Swollen belt buckles.
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90s comics. Swollen belt buckles. That'll be the name of
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the documentary we do. I've never.
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That was a period of comics that I bypassed.
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After.
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Once I got into college and I stopped reading books regularly,
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I missed that whole wave like Lobo. So I don't know.
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I mean, if you give him his own movie, I
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think that excites me more than shoehorning him into something
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maybe that he doesn't belong in.
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But I don't know. It's harsh.
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And I do. I mean, he doesn't need me to
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defend him, Jason Momoa. But at the same time, I
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could not name for you any role that he's had
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that I went, wow, that is amazing.
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What a great performance.
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Right, right.
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I've only seen lesser and greater degrees of, is that
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Jason Momoa?
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I mean, the guy, he looks the part in everything
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he does. He's a big dude. I don't know. I mean,
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he was okay as Aquaman.
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H.P.? In other comic book news, Destin Daniel Cretton just
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signed a five-picture deal with Sony Pictures. They've locked him
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in forever.
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Well, that happens when your last movie makes a billion dollars.
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In one weekend.
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Yeah. I mean, look, good for him. We spoke his
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praises when we reviewed Spider-Man. It's fantastic.
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I think wisely, it's a production deal. He didn't lock
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himself in at all. He's got the right to develop
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five movies for Sony Pictures.
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Yeah, I think his next movie isn't even a Sony movie.
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He's doing Naruto, I think, is his next movie.
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Whoa, I can only imagine.
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It's not a Sony picture. I believe it's not a
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Sony picture.
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No, and he's already said that he can come back
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to Marvel for Shang-Chi when they do the sequel to that.
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Yeah, they'd be crazy not to hire him in a
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second to do the next Shang-Chi. With everything he's learned
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and all the success, it's going to be great.
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Come on, where's that sequel already, you sons of bitches?
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Well, I mean, I'm fairly certain that Shang-Chi is not
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going to die in Doomsday or Secret Wars. So let's
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get on.
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It, Marvel. Speaking of Marvel, they've greenlit a new television series,
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a spy thriller. It's called Zodiac. We were just talking
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about Zodiac, but I don't think this is that.
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No, but Zodiac did feature, what's his name? The Hulk,
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Mark Ruffalo.
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That's true. Oh, my God. The connections are endless. Okay.
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So Zodiac. There are two instances of Zodiac in the
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Marvel Universe, right? There is... I have it written here.
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So it was a team that went up against the
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Avengers in the 70s.
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Right, so it was a band of supervillains at first.
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Right, and then they became life model decoys.
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Right, which is... I keep hearing that they're going to
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do something similar on Vision Quest, the television series, with
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the life model decoys, so... I don't know if they're
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setting this series up with that, but that would stand
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to reason with the way Marvel operates. Or Secret Warriors
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has a great wheel of the Zodiac, which is this
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bureau that oversees all of the secret bureaus in the
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Marvel Universe. They oversee S.H.I.E.L.D., but they also oversee HYDRA
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and The Hand and Damage Control and Saber. If they
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do that, I don't even know what. Has the snake
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eaten its own tail? When you get into the Overseer
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of the Overseers.
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Who watches The Watchmen?
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Yeah, man. I don't know. I'm curious what this is.
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I think it's probably going to be what you said,
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which is a band of supervillains.
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Yeah, and I'm so down, and I've been so down
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on the original Disney Plus programming for a long time.
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So this was another bit of news that I greeted
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with a bit of a, huh. I'm at the point
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now where it's like, Okay, wow me. You need to
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win me back because it's been mediocrity for so long
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with a few exceptions.
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That Daredevil show was good. Daredevil born again, seasons one
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and two.
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Well, they just announced season three will be the last.
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Yeah, hopefully that means they're going to get them into
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features now. Let's get the kingpin into a Spider-Man movie
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where he belongs, you idiots.
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The thing that I keep returning to about that, and
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I was thinking about this because I was just reading
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an interview with Mahershala Ali about it. Blade, yet again,
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another Blade, like what went wrong? And I'm thinking about
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this in terms of Doomsday 2. It's that these actors, look,
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these actors, they age. Comic book characters don't age. They
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never do, but actors do. So there's a relatively narrow
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window that you can get these people into these movies
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and make as many as you can. Tom Holland is
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not going to be credible as Spider-Man forever.
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Well, no, now he's a Spider-Man.
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The immortal Captain America can. he'll be elderly he'll be
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you know elderly spider-man before you know it but i
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guess my point is you know these things move at
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a seemingly glacial pace but at some point the actor
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just can't do it or won't do it or just
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won't be able to physically so where does that leave.
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Them spider middle-aged man are you looking at my gut.
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That's another unsung SNL sketch. Middle-aged man.
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And his sidekick, drinking buddy.
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And there's nothing... I don't know why that isn't more popular,
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because it wasn't problematic like some of those other old sketches.
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It's just the middle-aged guy with the gut who knows stuff.
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Because it's middle-of-the-road shit, ultimately. Yep, we all deal with
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middle-aged men, and this is how they are.
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Yeah, but it was still worth a chuckle or two.
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It was no... HP, the HP-inator.
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Hey.
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Okay, Zack Snyder, he's feeling the comic book fatigue, HP.
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He knows that comic book movies are on their way out.
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Why?
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Because he doesn't make them anymore, obviously. But when asked
487
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if he would ever return to make another comic book movie,
488
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he answered the most predictable Zack Snyder answer ever. Yes,
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I want to make The Dark Knight Returns. Here's the quote.
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The reason why it's The Dark Knight Returns, if anyone
491
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would ever let me do it outside of the DC Universe,
492
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since it's a novel that just happens to have superheroes
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in it, is if I could do Watchmen and The
494
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Dark Knight Returns. Those two books next to each other,
495
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to me, represent the complete cycle of the superhero comic
496
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book medium. And I'd like to add to that, Zach,
497
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that those are the two comic books you've read, The
498
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only fucking two comic books you've ever read in your life,
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you fucking poser. You don't even know how to make
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a good movie. You know how to copy pretty pictures
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out of a fucking comic book, you fucking fraud.
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I have thoughts like you on this, Father Malone. Number one,
503
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I don't disagree. The Man of Steel, Superman, Batman, Justice League,
504
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all crap. A complete waste of what could have been
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a wonderful Superman.
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Let me add Dawn of the Dead, that fucking Vegas
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zombie movie he did, those two or three. I didn't
508
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even bother watching the second or third parts of his
509
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stupid Seven Samurai in Space bullshit. Right.
510
00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:26.829
No, I'm just talking about comic book movies. I'm not
511
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even talking about the wider 300 and all that kind
512
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of stuff.
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Also a comic book movie.
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I think we've talked about this. I will say that
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I enjoy Watchmen. I think it's a very credible adaptation
516
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of Watchmen. And this is coming from two of the
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biggest super fans of Watchmen anyone could ever meet.
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Right.
519
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In fact, I'm just now rereading Watchmen. So that's, so there.
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Let me say this though, because I do love the movie.
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I put it on. I will watch beginning to end.
522
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I've watched the director's cut. I've watched the gigantic fucking
523
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everything's in there for no good reason. Cut of the movie. Okay.
524
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I think he did do a very credible job. I
525
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think he did the best you were going to get.
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of a feature film released in theaters. Watchmen has always
527
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screamed out to be a miniseries and given the proper
528
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depth of what the book was trying to get at.
529
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That's the only way to actually translate the book. So
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I think he did a really good job. But is
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there any passion in it? Do you think he's saying
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anything with that movie? You know what I mean? Other than,
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I'm making this book into a movie. Look, I did that.
534
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You know, Terry Gilliam kept threatening to make The Watchmen forever.
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Do you have any doubt that movie, as flawed as
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it would be as far as an adaptation, like a
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direct adaptation of the book, it would have had the
538
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passion and the spirit and the fucking hope and despair
539
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that you get when you're reading The Watchman as a
540
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comic book?
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I 100% agree. And my final word on that is
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what he did give us is probably the greatest portrayal
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of Rorschach that I could have ever imagined. Jackie Earl
544
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Haley is the best thing. about that movie. A close
545
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second is, what's his name, is Doc Manhattan. I thought
546
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he was really good too. But having said all that,
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I'm not, I'm the ball washing around Watchmen. That's as
548
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far as I will go. But when I read this
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about Dark Knight Returns, now first point is they've already
550
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made it. It was a two-part animated picture with Peter
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Weller actually as doing the voice of Bruce Wayne slash Batman.
552
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Now putting that aside.
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He cherry picked all of his favorite bits and stuck
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them in his fucking Batman movies.
555
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Yeah. He doesn't get to have his cake and eat
556
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it too. I don't know who the perfect filmmaker to make.
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I would love, put it this way. I would love
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to see someone actually tackle the Dark Knight Returns. I
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don't know. I can't think off the top of my
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head who I'd want to direct it. But let me
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ask you this, Father Malone. This was an interesting thing.
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I thought of this and I can't wait to ask
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you this question. If you were going to cast today,
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the Dark Knight Returns, Give me your best Batman and Superman.
565
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Best Batman is Michael Keaton.
566
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You can have anybody.
567
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Michael Keaton is who I would put in right now.
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If you shot it today, Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne
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in that version. I would believe that his Bruce Wayne
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ended up in that story more than that fucking Misbegotten
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Flash movie.
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That actually beats me. That hadn't even occurred to me.
573
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I was going to say George Clooney, not even thinking
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about the fact that he was Batman already also. But
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I like your Michael Keaton idea better. That's perfect.
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The mania of Bruce Wayne in Dark Knight Returns was
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always in Michael Keaton in existence. in none of the
578
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other Bruce Wayans.
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And he's aged to perfection now. Yeah. That over the hill,
580
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you know, can't really move, but he's going to do
581
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it through muscle memory and gut it out. Yeah, I
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could see that.
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Now, as for Superman?
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Yeah.
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Well, I'd probably just bring back Henry Cavill.
586
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Right?
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Superman doesn't age.
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He doesn't. My brilliant stunt casting would have been Tom
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Cruise as Superman.
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Ooh. Yeah, he's old, but he looks young. He's got
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that Boy Scout shit. He's also got an edge to him.
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He knows what he's doing is wrong by just working
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as an operative for the U.S. government.
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He doesn't look... He looks old, but he doesn't look bad.
595
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He doesn't look aged. He just looks like someone who's
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kept good shape all these years.
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We did.
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But you can tell he's got the mileage.
599
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Well, yeah.
600
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No, he probably had a lot of surgeons on the payroll, too.
601
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But to think, yeah, imagine Michael Keaton and Tom Cruise
602
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going toe-to-toe in that alleyway. Oof.
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Yeah, you know, they unfortunately... I have to... We've talked
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about this before, HB, but to me, that was icing
605
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on the cake because we as Batman fans were sick
606
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of Superman being so popular. and not having any angst
607
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in his life. So it felt good to watch Batman
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kick the shit out of him. But now we've seen
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that happen. So it's robbed of its power. And by
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the way, that hadn't really happened in comics in 1985
611
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when the fucking book was coming out, you know? And
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let me read Zack Snyder's other quote, because he just
613
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can't stop. Quote, You can do no more than those
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two books. Watchmen came at the beginning of the superhero phase,
615
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so it would be super fitting to have the Dark
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Knight Returns come now, at what I would say is possibly,
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I don't want to call it the Twilight, but we're
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down the road of the superhero movie genre. And I
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think audiences understand the why of it. Wait, he had
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something else to say. He continues. Let's not forget, The
621
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Dark Knight Returns was written for a comic book audience
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that was very exhausted by comic books in the same
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way that Watchmen was. So having that movie written for now, people,
624
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And so having that movie written now for people who
625
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are exhausted by comic book movies would be a good time. Duh.
626
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One thing equals another. A plus B equals C. He
627
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.019
is such a dunderhead. By the way, as somebody who's
628
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actually read comics and was actually reading comics at the time,
629
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we weren't exhausted by anything. We were excited by new
630
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and innovative books that had potential, that looked beyond the fucking...
631
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limitations that had been put on them for the previous
632
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50 years. There was no exhaustion at all, dude. You're
633
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the one who's exhausted because you've never fucking understood the
634
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genre to begin with.
635
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I agree. I wasn't a jaded comic reader back then.
636
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I was thrilled by these new directions that comics were
637
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taking us. Maybe if I had been in my mid
638
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to late 30s and had been reading comics for forever,
639
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but we were kids, Father Malone, and we just happened
640
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in the right place, right time. You know, that one-two
641
00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:57.339
punch of Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen will never happen again.
642
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.559
It was a seismic shift in how comics could be
643
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perceived and how the stories they could tell.
644
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I agree, but it's as if you and I read
645
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those books then and we hadn't read anything previous and
646
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then we just said, and that's the end of comic books.
647
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Because that seems to be this fucking dickhead's attitude. I
648
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bet he did read those when they came out and
649
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was just blown away, man. What's funny is what those
650
00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:28.470
books were aiming for was for blowing the minds of
651
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idiots who wouldn't pick up a comic book because they
652
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were for kids, and it actually worked on him. So
653
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he still doesn't like comics because he still thinks they're
654
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for kids, but those two books blew his mind.
655
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I think there's a little bit of face-saving going on
656
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with Zack Snyder because I know that his latest picture,
657
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the last photograph, I think that's the name of it.
658
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Yeah.
659
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It's gotten terrible reviews. I mean, universally reviled. I don't
660
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even use that word lightly. So I think it seems
661
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to me like there's, like I said, he's trying to
662
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save face a little bit by putting out these outrageous
663
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quotes and maybe trying to manifest something that's going to
664
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come out of that because he burned bridges. Look, I
665
00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.650
don't care how many people wanted the Snyder cut of
666
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this or that or the other thing. Those movies were
667
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not very good. They just weren't. I've given him his
668
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props for Watchmen, but that's really where it ends.
669
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Yeah, it begins and ends there for me as well.
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I think 300 was a pretty movie when it came out.
671
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Well, I give that movie its credit for being unique
672
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and visionary for the time. No one had seen anything
673
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like that. He took a little bit of what I
674
00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:38.070
think Sin City was probably the closest analog with this
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sort of stylized look of it.
676
00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:41.789
Yeah, but I think Sin City came after 300. Sin
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City was before 2005.
678
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Oh.
679
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Only a year, but it was before it. Huh. Which
680
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is not to suggest there was any real influence.
681
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What does not make sense? It doesn't make sense to me, actually.
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I'll tell you, that's what IMDb has.
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Oh, it was Grindhouse. It was Grindhouse. Never mind. Grindhouse
684
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came out in 2006. What the fuck were we just
685
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talking about?
686
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We were talking about, he has had some decent movies,
687
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some great movies in his past.
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What I just want to say about 300 is like
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as pretty as that movie is, it has that baked
690
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in xenophobia that runs through all the Frank Miller's work,
691
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you know, like the Persians are not just foreigners. They're
692
00:35:20.269 --> 00:35:24.829
fucking twisted creatures from beyond the, you know, the, the cosmos,
693
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you know, they're all mutated and sexualized and gross, you know?
694
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Oh my God. Calm down, Frank.
695
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Yeah.
696
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But it was like a, you know, I don't, holy
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jihad batman it's.
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Not one of my favorite movies but i would be
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lying if i said it didn't pique my interest at
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the time and i thought it was an interesting movie
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but i'm not going to revisit it but i guess
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my point is he's had a couple of decent pictures
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in his uber but not more nothing more than that
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you know those those superman justice league movies were terrible.
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Gotta save martha All right, before we move on to
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what I believe is our final story for the evening,
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I just want to send a musical shout out. Everyone
708
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go listen to Black Mekon's new album that's coming out
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on the 29th. They have a song out now. You
710
00:36:09.769 --> 00:36:13.489
can listen to it. It's called Kill Them! This is
711
00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:16.449
a duo, a garage band duo from the UK who
712
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have been making mainly nearly unlistenable garage rock for the
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past 20 years. If you can picture... one guy on
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drums and one guy on a guitar and both those
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instruments are broken and they're recording on a play school
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tape recorder a fisher price tape recorder this that's the
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sounds they were going the new album sounds really fucking
718
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slick and as somebody who plays a monster all the
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time this kill them song is a fucking anthem and
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it's really great so i'll even put a fucking link
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in the show notes everybody right on you want to
722
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recommend some music hp you find anything new lately Yeah.
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Actually, you know, come to think of it, I have.
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It's not necessarily some hidden gem like you described, but
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Beck just put out another album called Ride Lonesome, which
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for me.
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Is it all country flavored perchance?
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00:37:03.050 --> 00:37:05.429
Well, here's the thing. I don't know. This would have
729
00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:08.329
been probably what the... Somewhere in the 2000s, he put
730
00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:10.250
out an album called Sea Change.
731
00:37:10.730 --> 00:37:11.230
I remember that.
732
00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.230
Which was, it's pretty much the ultimate breakup album. It's
733
00:37:15.269 --> 00:37:18.019
something I didn't even know that Beck was capable of.
734
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.460
The depth of the songwriting, the emotion. I love it.
735
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.400
I still cherish it now. Later, he put out another
736
00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:28.460
album called Morning Phase, which was considered part two of that. This,
737
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.099
you would think, is part three. This is probably the
738
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.719
conclusion of the breakup trilogy, if you will.
739
00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:36.679
Who keeps breaking up with Beck?
740
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.880
Well, I think he was divorced. I don't know about recently.
741
00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:44.139
He was married to Marissa Ribisi, remember?
742
00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:47.219
He was, but I think he remarried and I think
743
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.489
he's even divorced from his second wife, I believe. I
744
00:37:50.510 --> 00:37:51.389
could be wrong about that.
745
00:37:52.389 --> 00:37:54.730
Hey, man, if these are the results, ladies, keep breaking
746
00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:56.329
his heart.
747
00:37:56.489 --> 00:37:59.409
No one does it. I shouldn't say no one, because
748
00:37:59.489 --> 00:38:01.510
there's always going to be a Joni Mitchell or somebody
749
00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:04.780
who really wrote the book on it. Few people do
750
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.480
it as well as Beck does, and he's employing a
751
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:11.840
lot of the same musicians, same producer, Nigel Goodrich. It's
752
00:38:11.860 --> 00:38:15.500
a fabulous album. I've been listening to it, and really
753
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.579
a nice album to welcome the fall with. It's got
754
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.780
that feel, that melancholy feel that I think is appropriate
755
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:22.500
for this time of year.
756
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.489
There we go. Two recommendations. Check out the show notes, everybody.
757
00:38:25.550 --> 00:38:25.840
All right.
758
00:38:25.909 --> 00:38:30.389
Final story. Avengers Endgame is being released in theaters or
759
00:38:30.449 --> 00:38:31.730
has been released in theaters.
760
00:38:31.789 --> 00:38:32.690
Yeah. Okay.
761
00:38:32.710 --> 00:38:37.929
Sorry. Speaking of a naked cash grab, they've also now
762
00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:43.420
tacked on three new post-credit scenes. Now, I saved this
763
00:38:43.460 --> 00:38:45.719
to the end because if you don't want these post-credit
764
00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:49.079
scenes of Avengers Endgame spoiled for you, this movie from
765
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:51.460
10 years ago, that are probably just going to end
766
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.679
up on YouTube tomorrow anyway. In fact, this show will
767
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:55.739
be out for the regular feed on Friday. By then,
768
00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.219
I'm sure you can see them all in their glory.
769
00:38:58.539 --> 00:39:00.139
So we're going to describe them here because we want
770
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.679
to talk about them here. Now, the first is Bruce Banner.
771
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.940
This takes place after the events of Spider-Man Brand New Day,
772
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.489
but the post-credit scene in Avengers Endgame features it.
773
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:12.300
Okay.
774
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.389
All right. So anyway, he's in a subterranean military base
775
00:39:16.429 --> 00:39:18.849
because he can't trust himself and he's working on new
776
00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:22.469
gamma fucking whatever.
777
00:39:22.489 --> 00:39:25.969
Some sort of therapy to cure him.
778
00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:29.969
Yeah. Some gamma suppression, let's call them, techniques, right? Yeah.
779
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.699
And there's a green glow.
780
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.480
Sorry, can I interrupt just for a minute? Did you
781
00:39:34.579 --> 00:39:38.989
actually see these scenes or have you only read the descriptions?
782
00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:39.849
No, I've seen them.
783
00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:42.969
I was getting all these notifications early in the morning.
784
00:39:42.989 --> 00:39:46.949
I missed the boat, but to be honest, I really
785
00:39:46.989 --> 00:39:48.679
didn't care that much to see them.
786
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.880
If you read the description, you saw the fucking scenes.
787
00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:53.820
Fair enough.
788
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:54.340
Yeah.
789
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.920
So this green glow appears and Banner's like, who are you?
790
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.989
And he says, I'm here to collect you. And it's
791
00:40:01.050 --> 00:40:04.769
Victor Von Doom. And they leave. And he leaves a sigil. Right?
792
00:40:05.969 --> 00:40:09.889
Then the next one takes place in the Time Variance Authority.
793
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.679
It's Mobius, Owen Wilson's character from the Loki series. And
794
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.239
everything's cool and everyone's being mellow as they are in
795
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.619
the TVA. And then an alarm goes off and they
796
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.730
see that two timelines are going to collide with one another.
797
00:40:22.809 --> 00:40:25.329
And then the two timelines are firing missiles at each other.
798
00:40:25.869 --> 00:40:29.130
And then a million sort of other timelines start branching out.
799
00:40:29.809 --> 00:40:32.639
And they're like, oh no, the multiverse is collapsing like that.
800
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.800
And then the fucking final one is a post-credit scene
801
00:40:37.900 --> 00:40:40.940
that technically ties back to the first Iron Man movie.
802
00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:42.980
Because if you watch that movie to the very end,
803
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.980
The last thing you hear over the final credit is clanging,
804
00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:49.199
like you heard when he was in the cave making
805
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:50.940
the Iron Man costume for the first time. So you
806
00:40:50.980 --> 00:40:53.840
hear that sound again, clang, clang, clang. Now, this is
807
00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:57.409
positing that sound you were hearing was Victor Von Doom
808
00:40:57.489 --> 00:40:59.510
making his mask ahead of Doom.
809
00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.289
Yeah, we heard that at the end of the original Endgame,
810
00:41:02.510 --> 00:41:03.369
that clang.
811
00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:04.690
Yeah, and that's what was happening.
812
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:05.409
Yeah.
813
00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:06.190
I have.
814
00:41:06.809 --> 00:41:08.809
Well, first of all, let me ask you, maybe you
815
00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:11.440
know this. It wasn't clear to me from reading about it,
816
00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:16.150
but are these... Is this a clue situation where depending
817
00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:18.210
on where you see the movie, you're going to see
818
00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:21.309
one of three different post-credit sequences?
819
00:41:21.710 --> 00:41:23.829
No, they're all baked into that final print of that
820
00:41:24.809 --> 00:41:26.750
now overly long movie that you're going to have to
821
00:41:26.789 --> 00:41:29.769
endure again. Not endure, it's a good movie, but you know.
822
00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:32.659
This to me feels like, what if you took the
823
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.320
original back to the future? Only during the enchantment under
824
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.960
the sea dance of the first movie, you all of
825
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.889
a sudden start seeing... Marty McFly from the alternate timeline.
826
00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:46.489
And now there's two doc Browns in the middle of
827
00:41:46.550 --> 00:41:48.110
the street. And now all of that.
828
00:41:48.130 --> 00:41:50.869
You're describing back to the future too. You realize that what.
829
00:41:50.829 --> 00:41:52.630
I'm saying is what if you put all that, what
830
00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:55.570
if you re edited that all into the first movie?
831
00:41:55.590 --> 00:41:59.409
So now what you're doing is you are retconning all
832
00:41:59.429 --> 00:42:04.210
of that stuff, which came years later into this original
833
00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:07.760
semi-perfect movie. That's not, I'm not suggesting that end game
834
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.929
is a perfect movie, but it's, Why couldn't you? There's
835
00:42:10.969 --> 00:42:13.690
no good reason why you can't put all of those
836
00:42:13.730 --> 00:42:19.699
scenes as a pre-credit sequence in Doomsday. This is a
837
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:22.300
complete cash grab in every way, shape, or form.
838
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.179
Release them as one-shots on YouTube and on varying platforms.
839
00:42:26.780 --> 00:42:28.440
They used to do that in between movies.
840
00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:32.460
Make it worth our while as fans. Make it interesting
841
00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:32.820
for us.
842
00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.219
These post-credit scenes are effectively trailers. How about release them
843
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:36.929
as trailers?
844
00:42:38.030 --> 00:42:41.550
I can't say I don't get it. That's my natural reaction.
845
00:42:42.449 --> 00:42:45.110
I do get it because they're looking to make money
846
00:42:45.269 --> 00:42:49.650
off of a head of Doomsday. It really kind of
847
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.199
turns my stomach, Father Malone. I was so disappointed in
848
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.949
this news and everything around it.
849
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.420
Yeah, man. Puts a real damper on Von Doomfest. We
850
00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:01.119
had a good head of steam, but Marvel's been so
851
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:02.159
mercenary lately.
852
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:05.159
It is so, that's the perfect word for it. They're
853
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:09.260
so mercenary. Because if there's a dollar to be squeezed
854
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:11.800
out of this whole enterprise, they're going to find a
855
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:12.780
way to squeeze it.
856
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.739
And, you know, they've been advertising this as, remember this moment,
857
00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:19.550
live it again. No one's living that moment again. That
858
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:21.980
moment passed a decade ago. We did it. We done it.
859
00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:22.710
We know it's good.
860
00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:27.090
It passed. Again, I've said this over and over again.
861
00:43:27.110 --> 00:43:31.340
This all would have gone very differently had Jonathan Majors
862
00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:34.070
not gotten himself cancelled.
863
00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:36.010
That rotten son of a bitch.
864
00:43:36.789 --> 00:43:39.889
Ironically, it's like we're living in a totally different timeline.
865
00:43:41.150 --> 00:43:44.110
Thanks to his mistake. Thanks to him not keeping his
866
00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:46.230
fucking hands to himself. Dummy.
867
00:43:46.949 --> 00:43:51.179
For real. If this were ten years ago, or five
868
00:43:51.219 --> 00:43:53.280
years ago, and then this was all going down, I
869
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.039
might be interested. Oh, what kind of interesting little news? Again,
870
00:43:58.059 --> 00:44:01.550
I read the news, and I just sort of slumped
871
00:44:01.610 --> 00:44:04.469
and said this is just the new low i really
872
00:44:04.489 --> 00:44:06.710
i don't know it's not a good trend.
873
00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:09.699
No i don't know if it's a trend there's always
874
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.960
been cash grabs witness not to bring it back to
875
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
tarantino kill bill volume one and volume two i remember
876
00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.019
when it was kill bill i still have a 35
877
00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:20.519
millimeter trailer and advertising the release of kill bill.
878
00:44:20.570 --> 00:44:23.469
Sure i guess it's not officially a trend but it
879
00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:26.630
feels like the seal's been broken on this so this
880
00:44:26.670 --> 00:44:29.250
just gives them you know they can just go back
881
00:44:29.349 --> 00:44:32.179
and fuck with whatever came before it in the interest
882
00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:33.460
of making more money.
883
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:36.940
This is Lucas's fault. He opened the door by rejiggering
884
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.139
around with his original Star Wars movies. But he's been
885
00:44:40.179 --> 00:44:43.820
vocal lately too, man. Been talking about his original movies
886
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:44.739
that he wanted to make.
887
00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.429
Yeah, but at least in that case, and I'll take
888
00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:51.309
Lucas at his word that he was never complete in
889
00:44:51.369 --> 00:44:53.849
his own estimation. He was never completely satisfied with how
890
00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:55.690
those movies came out and some of the effects work.
891
00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:58.449
Maybe it was a little rough. So, And at the
892
00:44:58.489 --> 00:45:00.909
time that he owned it, that was his thing. So
893
00:45:01.409 --> 00:45:03.570
if he wanted to go ahead and rewrite history in
894
00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:05.860
that way, I can see where it would rub people
895
00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:08.239
the wrong way. But what are you going to do?
896
00:45:08.380 --> 00:45:13.260
It's not as if... He didn't go back into Star Wars. Actually, no,
897
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:15.280
I can't even say that. Strike that. Because he could
898
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.280
have very easily done that.
899
00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:19.860
He didn't do it to Indiana Jones, at least. Even
900
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.420
though he went back and retitled all of the films,
901
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.219
Indiana Jones and the.
902
00:45:24.739 --> 00:45:28.239
He didn't add Short Round into... raiders in some way
903
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.219
shape or form or add him in later to the
904
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.079
last i don't.
905
00:45:31.989 --> 00:45:34.449
Know they have a scene where indy's on the phone
906
00:45:34.510 --> 00:45:36.190
and marcus says who are you speaking to he's like
907
00:45:36.909 --> 00:45:41.690
a small boy in china that's right he's a friend
908
00:45:41.710 --> 00:45:42.190
of mine.
909
00:45:42.409 --> 00:45:45.369
So i it i guess there's maybe there's not a
910
00:45:45.429 --> 00:45:48.440
world of difference between lucas and kevin feige in this
911
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:52.440
case but it just feels so much more craven in
912
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.980
this case and so much more out you know just
913
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:56.820
laying it all out there i.
914
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:59.519
Just released if you think the movie's going to make
915
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.119
the money it's going to make that just release the
916
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:02.619
movie don't tack on this shit at the end to
917
00:46:02.659 --> 00:46:05.219
make nerds fucking flock to the theater because that's what's
918
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.460
happening this is like putting the trailer for star wars
919
00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:11.380
phantom menace in front of meet joe black i went
920
00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:15.940
to see meet joe black against every impulse in my
921
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.739
body to see a fucking star wars trailer i.
922
00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:22.710
Went we went to see fantasia Just to see the
923
00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:25.449
Tron trailer. Which at least, in that case, it's a
924
00:46:25.670 --> 00:46:26.949
worthwhile movie.
925
00:46:27.030 --> 00:46:27.369
Wow.
926
00:46:27.409 --> 00:46:30.130
But not for a nine-year-old kid who just wants action,
927
00:46:30.170 --> 00:46:30.489
you know?
928
00:46:30.949 --> 00:46:32.590
Did you really? Wow.
929
00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.030
I did.
930
00:46:34.030 --> 00:46:34.690
100%.
931
00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:36.949
I went and saw the re-release of Star Wars because
932
00:46:36.989 --> 00:46:39.210
they promised a Return of the Jedi trailer at the beginning.
933
00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:41.710
Well, we talked about this. I tapped out after Star
934
00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:44.510
Wars because I just realized I was bored to tears.
935
00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:49.730
I'm saying, in 1981... Oh, when you were a kid, okay.
936
00:46:49.909 --> 00:46:52.610
They've re-released Star Wars. See it back on the big screen.
937
00:46:52.630 --> 00:46:55.570
Now with a trailer for the latest adventure, Return of
938
00:46:55.610 --> 00:46:56.090
the Jedi.
939
00:46:56.389 --> 00:46:58.230
I guess it's been happening for a long time.
940
00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:00.429
Well, they used to re-release movies all the time because
941
00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:02.659
there was no other way to see them. I mean,
942
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:04.340
at least in a proper format.
943
00:47:04.980 --> 00:47:07.400
But no, that's different because in that case, it's a
944
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.300
separate trailer. They're not inserting things into the movie that
945
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.500
you already know. And here's another question I have. It's
946
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.130
less of a concern because... I don't know that they're,
947
00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:19.329
do they even sell movies on physical media anymore? But
948
00:47:19.369 --> 00:47:20.630
let's assume that they do.
949
00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:21.369
They do.
950
00:47:21.449 --> 00:47:24.969
Does that mean that they're now going to release an Endgame,
951
00:47:25.610 --> 00:47:27.920
a new version of Endgame with all of this nonsense
952
00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:29.079
tacked on to the end of it?
953
00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:35.500
I don't see why not. Endgame Ultimate Edition. Endgame Doom Edition.
954
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.360
I don't know.
955
00:47:38.869 --> 00:47:39.349
What can I say?
956
00:47:39.489 --> 00:47:39.769
You know what?
957
00:47:39.809 --> 00:47:41.670
Why not just put him in the movie? You know
958
00:47:41.690 --> 00:47:43.489
what I mean? Just take him as a character. Have
959
00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:46.070
a few scenes with him and the characters interacting with him.
960
00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:48.539
So they lay some groundwork like they were trying to
961
00:47:48.579 --> 00:47:51.179
do with 10 years of Jonathan Majors as Kang.
962
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.940
I just– I don't know why they didn't just put
963
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.519
these– all of these scenes in all in a row
964
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.500
at the beginning of Doomsday to prime the pump as
965
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.300
you're watching it. Because you're being reminded of all these
966
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.230
incredible moments. in some cases, from that movie, and it
967
00:48:07.269 --> 00:48:10.030
gets you really, it whets your appetite for the movie
968
00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:10.230
to come.
969
00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.409
Yeah, but could it be that these are just scenes
970
00:48:12.489 --> 00:48:14.570
from Doomsday, and they just pulled them out, and they're like,
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this is the trailer? Remember they did that with... Oh,
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I see what you're saying. Yeah. We were used to
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a post-credit scene that had nothing to do with the
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movie you just watched or the one you're going to get,
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but was a unique interaction. Tony Stark in a bar
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with General Ross.
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So your theory, one of your.
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Theories is that maybe this is all part of doomsday
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and this is just a little extra you know appetizer
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before the main okay you know but that that seems
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even more craven and the mercenary yeah.
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Because they didn't even do anything they just took a
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bunch of footage they already had there was like there
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was no craft to it at all it's just slap
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this on that and then they'll pay.
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The way hitchcock used to do his own trailers for
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his movies and.
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We can't look in there it's too horrible Right.
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It was it was that to me, it was almost
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like a little gift to the moviegoers because you're getting
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something that you're not going to get in any way,
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shape or form. This is something unique to the trailer experience.
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I don't know. It just seems all so, just a
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cash grab. It's really sad. It's a cash grab multiverse.
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But I'm going to, I mean, look, they've already got
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our money. We're going to see the movie regardless.
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It's a cash grab multiverse. And I think that's going
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to do it for the roundup this week. We're going
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to end on a downer with the Marvel so fucking
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nakedly chasing the great.
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And almighty dollar.
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Next week, probably a review of The Stunt Driver. I
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haven't watched Practical Magic 2 yet either, so I can't
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really comment on that. But I guess one of the
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review of that is on the way. HB, where can
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people find you?
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I co-host the Night Mr. Walters Taxi Podcast alongside Father
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Malone here.
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News to me.
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I also host the Noise Junkies music podcast with an
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Art of Noise episode that I'm trying to manifest before
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I talk about it. And finally, I have a band
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camp site, hpmusicplays.bandcamp.com.
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As for me, you know where you are. You're here
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on the Roundup. Every Friday, it's the Roundup. Every Monday,
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it's a fest or a button or a switch or
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a console or it's a tale of the unexpected. It's
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a rotating group of shows. And over on the Patreon channel,
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we've got a brand new episode of Vault 702, the
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Fallout podcast. HP and I are going to be doing
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something over there, too. What are we doing?
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I don't know.
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We're going to do something. What else do we do?
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A lot of irons in the fire.
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Yeah, we also have, oh man, what is it called?
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What?
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Airlocks. Airlocks sensors and ray guns. Speaking of ray guns,
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that is the sister series to button switches and consoles.
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That is a Patreon-only channel where Laura Grillo and I
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are looking at old tech from old movies that take
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place in the future. Sci-fi.
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Ah, yes.
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Until next time, everybody, try to enjoy the daylight. in Sicily.
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Thank you.
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Welcome back, midnight viewers, to Father Malone's Weekly Roundup. Shut up, HP.
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Sorry, one more time.
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No, I think we're going with that one. All right. Okay, yes,
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welcome back to the Roundup, everybody. So, look, this isn't
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going to be a themed episode. Ordinarily, we would be
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reviewing a movie, or I'd be reviewing a movie, or
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I would be reviewing a movie, and that movie should
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be The Stunt Driver, not The Stuntman, which we covered
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the documentary that it's based on last week, but that's
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going to have to wait another week because, folks, I'm tired.
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I'm very tired. It's hard to be a creature, especially
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during Halloween season. But to help me with the load, Mr. HP.
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How are you, brother?
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I'm doing great. How are you doing, my friend?
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I'm tired. I just told you. For fuck's sake.
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Look, I'm in my customary chair. I got my feet up.
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I got the newspaper flipping.
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Through it idly.
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What's going on? What's happening in the world, Father Malone?
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What's happening in the world? It's the world of trailers.
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That's what's happening first. We're going to start with the
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one that everyone's talking about, everyone saw. It's a minute 30.
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The Misadventures of Cliff Booth. I'm going to play that
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right here.
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You heard the story about Bruce Lee getting his ass
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kicked by a stuntman, yeah?
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Oh, yeah.
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This is the guy.
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Evening, fellas.
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I thought I know you from somewhere.
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Name's Cliff.
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I lost count of how many jokers I killed on TV.
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But you, you actually killed people.
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That's just saying what it's like to kill someone with
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a knife.
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Charlie finally tells you what he wants from you and
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all of a sudden he needs a briefcase full of cash?
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Whatever it is you're thinking, it's not.
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What you think. You worked with Rick Dalton for a
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number of years. What brought an end to your engagement? Oh,
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Rick got too fat for me to double him anymore.
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What are your thoughts?
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I honestly could not be more excited. This was the
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news of the week. Spoiler alert. This is, for me,
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the news of the week.
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Are we doing spoilers for just our appreciation of a
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news item? Spoilers. This is HB's favorite.
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No, for real though, we've talked in various other podcasts
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about how much we love, I love, Once Upon a
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Time in Hollywood. It's easily, at least for right now,
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it's my favorite Tarantino movie. I could rewatch that thing
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ad nauseum. So when I heard that they were making
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this Misadventures of Cliff Booth thing, I got excited. And
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then when I heard that David Fincher was directing, I
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got even more excited. And then when I finally saw
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the trailer and saw the vision of what's happening with
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this movie, I'm just, I'm so excited for this movie.
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It looks great.
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I am excited as well. I'm a little more tempered
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with my excitement, though. Why? I was expecting to be
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fucking knocked out by a 90-second trailer from David Fincher.
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And instead, I saw what looked like a passable 1970s thriller.
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And maybe he's going for passable 1970s thriller. That's fine.
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It's just that I wanted a shot of a cab
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from above as it made a corner in San Francisco
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while hunting the Zodiac Killer. You know what I mean?
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I wanted to watch a refrigerator explode in slow motion
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in this trailer.
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Sure. I think David Fincher's Obviously, he doesn't need me
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to defend him, but he's fantastic.
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He does, actually. He called earlier and said, could you
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make sure HB defends me against all comers?
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He's such a protean director. He sort of shapeshifts. No
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two movies are exactly the same. And I love the
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look of this, and I love the actors that he has. Look,
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Peter Weller.
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Is in it.
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We've talked about him unreasonably much over the last few months.
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I don't know why. He keeps coming up, man.
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Oh, you know what? Because of Star Trek. That's why.
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Because of Star Trek, right. And I think we might
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have talked a little bit about Robocop. Obliquely, I don't remember.
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But he is in it. I'm excited about that. Scott
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Kahn continues to morph into his dad.
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It's a little freaky. He looks middle-aged James Kahn now.
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Yeah.
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It was for resemblance before, but now they've become the
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same person.
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They've done something with his nose in this. I think
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he's got a little makeup because he doesn't quite look
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like Scott Kahn from Hawaii Five-0.
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I just figured he'd gotten all drunk and roomy. Roomy-eyed. Roomy.
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R-H-E-U. I love that word. The look of it, like
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I said, it looks dark and sinister and fun.
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Oh, yeah.
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Brad Pitt is doing his Cliff Booth. thing. I couldn't
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be more excited. We got some stock.
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Car racing in there. I love a good stock car race.
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I don't know why I didn't know this. I didn't
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realize that it's going to play in IMAX.
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I didn't either, and I wondered why. Not that I
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didn't know, but why would you bother to put it
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in IMAX?
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I don't know, but I'm sorely tempted. I mean, I'm
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sure it's going to be just for a week.
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Take it to the gimmick. The gimmick! This is the
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latest 3D thing, right? Sure, but.
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Look, I'm tempted to see it, even though I'm sure
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it's going to be a ridiculously narrow window.
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Are you saying, because it said only, so does that
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mean if I don't go to an IMAX theater, I
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don't get to see this movie?
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Probably in its initial path, because it's premiering on, I think,
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November 25th. That's Thanksgiving weekend. My guess is it'll play
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the holiday weekend, and maybe after that, it'll be on Netflix,
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and we can all enjoy it.
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But, you know, what if I wanted to see this
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in a theater in a format that would have been
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available to me in the 1970s, which is the era
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they're trying to... Speaking of Quentin Tarantino, have you noticed
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on social media recently they rediscovered all of his clips
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from when Django Unchained came out? And whenever he was
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on a black radio station or a black television station,
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you know, Tarantino suddenly was black. So I was like,
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I don't even know what a computer is, man.
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I haven't seen that. specifically but one of my favorite
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podcasts they it's a countdown podcast and one week they
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did a countdown they didn't say who it was but
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it was quentin tarantino doing that that sort of accent
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and it wasn't until maybe number four or three that
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i finally the perspective shifted and i went oh my
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god that's been tarantino the whole time because if you
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don't see him doing it It's easy to mistake him
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for just someone talking in quote-unquote jive.
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I speak jive.
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Immortal Barbara Billingsley.
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That's where Tarantino picked up his accent. From Airplay. Makes
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sense now.
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Tarantino is very problematic.
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Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to this movie. I'm sure the
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next trailer is going to deliver all of the flash
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that I'm looking for this one. But as a... brief
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hors d'oeuvre of theme, perhaps. I think this is just establishing, hey,
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this is not Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Down
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to the fact that they call out Leonardo DiCaprio's character
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as having gotten too fat for Cliff to double him anymore.
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Ultimately, we weren't going to learn anything interesting in this trailer.
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Like you said, I think this is a bunch of
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scene setting. And the next one will give us more
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insight into what the going's on, what are these misadventures
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that Cliff Booth is experiencing.
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There it is, moving on. Second trailer of the week.
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This is many years in the making animated film from
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director Brad Bird. Here's the trailer for Ray Gunn, or
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Ray Gunn. You know, photos are like this business. It's
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all about the light and the dark and Oh, the
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lovely shades of gray in between. What are you looking for, Ray?
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I don't know. Truth? How sad is that?
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Take me down.
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Welcome to the future.
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Six hundred crowns.
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Most flameouts, they leave the city, but not you.
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Mr.
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Gunn, I presume?
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So, uh, what can I do for you? Venus Nova
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is a big star. She's emotional, volatile.
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She does things.
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What kind of things do you mean? How about murder?
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I didn't do it.
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Keep her out of trouble and you'll be a very
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rich man. Get out. You're dead.
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To me, understand?
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We should ask for more money. I keep thinking there
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are no nice surprises anymore. And then you show up.
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Be careful, Ray. We know how the world works. Nobody's pure.
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We all get played.
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Ah! Tell me who hired you, or I throw you
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out the window.
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Classic.
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This is business. It's hard being the only honest players in.
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A crooked game.
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Ray, jump!
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Will you go and do the right thing again?
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Mr.
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Gunn, will you be making a statement?
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Stay tuned. I like you, Gunn.
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You're a real throwback. It's Ray Gunn. HP, what did
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you think of this one?
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Well, I was a little disappointed at first because I
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thought this was a movie about the famous Australian breakdancing Olympian.
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Wasn't she called Ray Gunn?
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Was she Ray Gunn? Every time I see Ray Gunn,
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I always think of Ronnie Ray Gunn. Like this sort
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of every political parody of the 1980s. Oh, yeah. Ronnie
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Reagan in the White House, man.
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That's what Gil Scott Heron used to call him.
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Ronnie Reagan.
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for a long time.
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Ronnie Reagan.
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little bit. I wasn't aware that this was a long
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gestating project for Brad Bird. But I'll tell you, the
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trailer looked fantastic. Yeah.
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It made me think in the opening moments, you know,
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why can't we have other detective stories set in the future? Like,
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why is it just owned by Blade Runner? I mean,
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I love Blade Runner, that whatever, we all do, right?
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But can't we have some other gumshoes, like, hoofing it
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around while hover cars are flying overhead? Why not?
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It's such an evergreen theme. I mean, who doesn't love
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a good detective noir picture, right?
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I love it.
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Maybe I'm in a class of my own, but I
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love a good detective picture. And that was the first
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thing I thought of when I started watching the trailer is, oh,
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this is a little bit like a lighthearted Blade Runner
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kind of thing. And then I started thinking, this looks
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a lot like the fifth element in terms of the
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art direction and the cars flying and everything like that.
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to this picture.
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I thought the art direction looked like the fifth element,
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but if it took place on Coruscant.
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Every time they're like plummeting or flying in the sort
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of above the surface traffic, it just seemed like that
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entire scene on Coruscant from Revenge of the Sith. Was
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it Revenge of the Sith?
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No, it was the beginning of Attack of the Clones.
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Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith was the
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third one, right?
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Let me tell a quick autobiographical bullshit story about Attack
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of the Clones. Because I was working at a movie
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theater here in Las Vegas at the time. We hadn't
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yet switched over to digital. We, in fact, got a
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digital projector specifically to show Star Wars episode whatever, the
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Attack of the Clones, right? And so about two months
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before the movie came out, I got a call saying, hey,
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you need to be at the theater at 8 a.m.
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to meet a technician. He's got to work on the
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digital projector. And it was a guy from Lucasfilm. And
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he was there to quality check the theater. And he
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did so by playing the entirety of Attack of the Clones,
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which he was like, it's cool if you want to
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sit and watch it. So for two months, I had
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seen Attack of the Clones and could say nothing to nobody.
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What are you going to say? No?
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No, I don't want to.
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Are you kidding me? It's only the biggest picture of
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the summer. No.
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I was like, I get to watch this? He's like,
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I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, just go sit down.
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I'm like, okay, cool. What I found disconcerting about the
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Ray Gunn trailer is that Ray Gunn himself looks disconcertingly
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like Luke Perry. He looks disconcertingly like Luke Perry.
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Go back and watch it again. You'll see what I mean.
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Well, I'm afraid to now because that's all that I'll
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see once now that now having that knowledge, it's ruined
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for me.
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An unlined Luke Perry in a first season of 90210,
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let's say.
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Rest in peace.
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Rest in peace is. I think those are the only trailers.
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All right, we got to jump in. The rest is
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all fucking comic book news, unfortunately, because no other genre
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is pulling it together at the moment. So let's talk. Oh,
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you know what? All right. First of all, There's a
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bunch of set photos from the Hunt for Gollum movie, finally,
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that has been... I don't know, they've been making it
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a while. What's his name's making it? Fucking Andy Serkis
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is directing it.
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Andy Serkis, yeah.
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And this is a story that takes place in between
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The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Who cares? What
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is happening?
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Thank you for saying that. I could not be less
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excited for this. I loved... Like a million other people,
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I loved Lord of the Rings. I loved all those movies.
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I was bitterly disappointed in The Hobbit. I just thought,
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why are you doing this? It just seemed beneath Peter
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Jackson at that point, and I just said, never again.
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When they announced The Hobbit, I thought, that's great. Do
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a small-scale version now. Do the fun little mini version
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of Lord of the Rings with those characters. That'll be fun. No,
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let's make it three fucking movies... And each movie pushing
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two hours. What the hell?
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Just felt so craven and so crass to do that.
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If it had been a single movie, I probably would
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have been delighted by it and said, wow, I'm so
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happy to be in this world again. But now I
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saw those set photos. It's all stuff in the Shire. Yeah.
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That's all that I saw. I think that's what you're
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talking about.
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So it's just a bunch of farmers and their children.
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Look, I'm happy. For all those actors who are going
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to come back and be part of this, because this
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was a life-changing experience for them, but as a filmgoer,
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like I said, I could not be less excited for this.
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I greeted the news with less than a shrug.
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Yeah, like, I'll see it when I can, but I'm
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not seeking it out. Maybe my tune will change. Who knows? Maybe.
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Look, you know, I always reserve the right to revise
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my opinion. I'm not perfect, but I feel pretty safe
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in this.
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HB, are you familiar with artist Grant Morrison, writer Grant Morrison?
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I am.
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I can't say I'm a fan of any specific book
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that he's made, but I'm certainly, by reputation, I'm certainly
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familiar with him.
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He did a run of Green Lantern that was really
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good and a run of Batman, as a matter of fact. Well,
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he finally saw Supergirl.
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Boy, did he.
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I'm going to read you the quote, everybody. Quote, Jason Momoa,
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who I was actually looking forward to, was very disappointing
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as Lobo. It was, in fact, one of the worst
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performances I've ever seen in a film, and quite baffling.
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As I know, Momoa's not usually that bad. And Lobo
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seems like a character made for him to play. Go figure.
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Not that bad. That's faint praise if I ever heard it.
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Yeah, I think, does he follow it up? Hold on.
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Let's see if he.
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Well, he had some nice things to say about Supergirl.
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Yeah, he said she did a credible job.
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Yeah, I just think he's being very reserved. just as
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a rule there. But, look, I didn't see Supergirl, I confess. Yeah.
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It just didn't wow me, and then I started hearing
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about how mediocre it was, and I just said, I'm
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not going to, I'll see this when it comes to
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streaming or what have you.
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I still say that, see that movie, man. I think
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it's a good movie. Morrison brings up the fact that
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the villain is just a low-level Romanian gangster, and that's
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the big problem with the movie. Lobo as a sweetener
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is just okay, but if you're looking for Lobo as
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a full-on character from the comic books, you're going to
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have to wait for whatever R-rated movie they will or
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will not make in the future.
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I think he might have said something about this, or
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maybe the article I read said it, that it smacked
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of reaction to audience previews. They felt like they had
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to add a little spicy something, so they added Lobo.
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I think you might have even said that in your review,
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Father Malone, that it clashed with the rest of the movie.
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Yeah, because he comes in and it's suddenly a Lobo
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movie for, you know, 10 minutes. And that's not what
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we're telling here. So I don't know if he was
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in the original comic or not, or they just shoehorned
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him in because they wanted to kickstart this universe. But
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I don't know. I didn't think he was terrible as Lobo.
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I think he has a lot of promise as Lobo.
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I just don't think we've seen that character to its
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full potential just yet.
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Lobo.
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But do you think he's the one to fulfill that potential?
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then he would be fantastic in it. Or not. Who knows?
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I've never liked Lobo as a character myself. I always
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thought it was part of that 90s extreme movement that
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was going on in comics where even belt buckles had
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to be inflated and swollen.
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Swollen belt buckles.
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90s comics. Swollen belt buckles. That'll be the name of
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the documentary we do. I've never.
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That was a period of comics that I bypassed.
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Once I got into college and I stopped reading books regularly,
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I missed that whole wave like Lobo. So I don't know.
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I mean, if you give him his own movie, I
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think that excites me more than shoehorning him into something
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maybe that he doesn't belong in.
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But I don't know. It's harsh.
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And I do. I mean, he doesn't need me to
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defend him, Jason Momoa. But at the same time, I
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could not name for you any role that he's had
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that I went, wow, that is amazing.
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What a great performance.
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Right, right.
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I've only seen lesser and greater degrees of, is that
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Jason Momoa?
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I mean, the guy, he looks the part in everything
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he does. He's a big dude. I don't know. I mean,
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he was okay as Aquaman.
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H.P.? In other comic book news, Destin Daniel Cretton just
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signed a five-picture deal with Sony Pictures. They've locked him
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in forever.
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Well, that happens when your last movie makes a billion dollars.
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In one weekend.
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Yeah. I mean, look, good for him. We spoke his
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praises when we reviewed Spider-Man. It's fantastic.
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I think wisely, it's a production deal. He didn't lock
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himself in at all. He's got the right to develop
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five movies for Sony Pictures.
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Yeah, I think his next movie isn't even a Sony movie.
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He's doing Naruto, I think, is his next movie.
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Whoa, I can only imagine.
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It's not a Sony picture. I believe it's not a
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Sony picture.
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No, and he's already said that he can come back
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to Marvel for Shang-Chi when they do the sequel to that.
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Yeah, they'd be crazy not to hire him in a
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second to do the next Shang-Chi. With everything he's learned
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and all the success, it's going to be great.
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Come on, where's that sequel already, you sons of bitches?
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Well, I mean, I'm fairly certain that Shang-Chi is not
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going to die in Doomsday or Secret Wars. So let's
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get on.
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It, Marvel. Speaking of Marvel, they've greenlit a new television series,
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a spy thriller. It's called Zodiac. We were just talking
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about Zodiac, but I don't think this is that.
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No, but Zodiac did feature, what's his name? The Hulk,
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Mark Ruffalo.
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That's true. Oh, my God. The connections are endless. Okay.
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So Zodiac. There are two instances of Zodiac in the
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Marvel Universe, right? There is... I have it written here.
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So it was a team that went up against the
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Avengers in the 70s.
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Right, so it was a band of supervillains at first.
425
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Right, and then they became life model decoys.
426
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Right, which is... I keep hearing that they're going to
427
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do something similar on Vision Quest, the television series, with
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the life model decoys, so... I don't know if they're
429
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setting this series up with that, but that would stand
430
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to reason with the way Marvel operates. Or Secret Warriors
431
00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:08.849
has a great wheel of the Zodiac, which is this
432
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bureau that oversees all of the secret bureaus in the
433
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Marvel Universe. They oversee S.H.I.E.L.D., but they also oversee HYDRA
434
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and The Hand and Damage Control and Saber. If they
435
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do that, I don't even know what. Has the snake
436
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eaten its own tail? When you get into the Overseer
437
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of the Overseers.
438
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Who watches The Watchmen?
439
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Yeah, man. I don't know. I'm curious what this is.
440
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I think it's probably going to be what you said,
441
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which is a band of supervillains.
442
00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:47.519
Yeah, and I'm so down, and I've been so down
443
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on the original Disney Plus programming for a long time.
444
00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:54.150
So this was another bit of news that I greeted
445
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with a bit of a, huh. I'm at the point
446
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now where it's like, Okay, wow me. You need to
447
00:23:00.250 --> 00:23:03.569
win me back because it's been mediocrity for so long
448
00:23:03.609 --> 00:23:04.619
with a few exceptions.
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That Daredevil show was good. Daredevil born again, seasons one
450
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and two.
451
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Well, they just announced season three will be the last.
452
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.460
Yeah, hopefully that means they're going to get them into
453
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features now. Let's get the kingpin into a Spider-Man movie
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where he belongs, you idiots.
455
00:23:19.750 --> 00:23:22.049
The thing that I keep returning to about that, and
456
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I was thinking about this because I was just reading
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an interview with Mahershala Ali about it. Blade, yet again,
458
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another Blade, like what went wrong? And I'm thinking about
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this in terms of Doomsday 2. It's that these actors, look,
460
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these actors, they age. Comic book characters don't age. They
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never do, but actors do. So there's a relatively narrow
462
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window that you can get these people into these movies
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and make as many as you can. Tom Holland is
464
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not going to be credible as Spider-Man forever.
465
00:23:51.289 --> 00:23:52.710
Well, no, now he's a Spider-Man.
466
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The immortal Captain America can. he'll be elderly he'll be
467
00:23:56.900 --> 00:23:59.730
you know elderly spider-man before you know it but i
468
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guess my point is you know these things move at
469
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a seemingly glacial pace but at some point the actor
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00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:09.450
just can't do it or won't do it or just
471
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won't be able to physically so where does that leave.
472
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:17.279
Them spider middle-aged man are you looking at my gut.
473
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:24.539
That's another unsung SNL sketch. Middle-aged man.
474
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And his sidekick, drinking buddy.
475
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And there's nothing... I don't know why that isn't more popular,
476
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:36.880
because it wasn't problematic like some of those other old sketches.
477
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.180
It's just the middle-aged guy with the gut who knows stuff.
478
00:24:40.539 --> 00:24:44.259
Because it's middle-of-the-road shit, ultimately. Yep, we all deal with
479
00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:46.180
middle-aged men, and this is how they are.
480
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.349
Yeah, but it was still worth a chuckle or two.
481
00:24:49.829 --> 00:24:54.109
It was no... HP, the HP-inator.
482
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Hey.
483
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Okay, Zack Snyder, he's feeling the comic book fatigue, HP.
484
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He knows that comic book movies are on their way out.
485
00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:03.890
Why?
486
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Because he doesn't make them anymore, obviously. But when asked
487
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if he would ever return to make another comic book movie,
488
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he answered the most predictable Zack Snyder answer ever. Yes,
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I want to make The Dark Knight Returns. Here's the quote.
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The reason why it's The Dark Knight Returns, if anyone
491
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would ever let me do it outside of the DC Universe,
492
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since it's a novel that just happens to have superheroes
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in it, is if I could do Watchmen and The
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Dark Knight Returns. Those two books next to each other,
495
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to me, represent the complete cycle of the superhero comic
496
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book medium. And I'd like to add to that, Zach,
497
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that those are the two comic books you've read, The
498
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only fucking two comic books you've ever read in your life,
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you fucking poser. You don't even know how to make
500
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a good movie. You know how to copy pretty pictures
501
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out of a fucking comic book, you fucking fraud.
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I have thoughts like you on this, Father Malone. Number one,
503
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I don't disagree. The Man of Steel, Superman, Batman, Justice League,
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all crap. A complete waste of what could have been
505
00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:11.329
a wonderful Superman.
506
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Let me add Dawn of the Dead, that fucking Vegas
507
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zombie movie he did, those two or three. I didn't
508
00:26:18.589 --> 00:26:21.109
even bother watching the second or third parts of his
509
00:26:21.250 --> 00:26:24.609
stupid Seven Samurai in Space bullshit. Right.
510
00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:26.829
No, I'm just talking about comic book movies. I'm not
511
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even talking about the wider 300 and all that kind
512
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of stuff.
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Also a comic book movie.
514
00:26:32.049 --> 00:26:34.829
I think we've talked about this. I will say that
515
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I enjoy Watchmen. I think it's a very credible adaptation
516
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of Watchmen. And this is coming from two of the
517
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biggest super fans of Watchmen anyone could ever meet.
518
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Right.
519
00:26:46.539 --> 00:26:49.660
In fact, I'm just now rereading Watchmen. So that's, so there.
520
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Let me say this though, because I do love the movie.
521
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I put it on. I will watch beginning to end.
522
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I've watched the director's cut. I've watched the gigantic fucking
523
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everything's in there for no good reason. Cut of the movie. Okay.
524
00:27:01.410 --> 00:27:03.680
I think he did do a very credible job. I
525
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think he did the best you were going to get.
526
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of a feature film released in theaters. Watchmen has always
527
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screamed out to be a miniseries and given the proper
528
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depth of what the book was trying to get at.
529
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That's the only way to actually translate the book. So
530
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I think he did a really good job. But is
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there any passion in it? Do you think he's saying
532
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anything with that movie? You know what I mean? Other than,
533
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I'm making this book into a movie. Look, I did that.
534
00:27:31.650 --> 00:27:34.750
You know, Terry Gilliam kept threatening to make The Watchmen forever.
535
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Do you have any doubt that movie, as flawed as
536
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it would be as far as an adaptation, like a
537
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direct adaptation of the book, it would have had the
538
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passion and the spirit and the fucking hope and despair
539
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that you get when you're reading The Watchman as a
540
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comic book?
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I 100% agree. And my final word on that is
542
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what he did give us is probably the greatest portrayal
543
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of Rorschach that I could have ever imagined. Jackie Earl
544
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Haley is the best thing. about that movie. A close
545
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.359
second is, what's his name, is Doc Manhattan. I thought
546
00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:09.539
he was really good too. But having said all that,
547
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I'm not, I'm the ball washing around Watchmen. That's as
548
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far as I will go. But when I read this
549
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about Dark Knight Returns, now first point is they've already
550
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made it. It was a two-part animated picture with Peter
551
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Weller actually as doing the voice of Bruce Wayne slash Batman.
552
00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:29.809
Now putting that aside.
553
00:28:30.619 --> 00:28:33.519
He cherry picked all of his favorite bits and stuck
554
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them in his fucking Batman movies.
555
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.259
Yeah. He doesn't get to have his cake and eat
556
00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:40.859
it too. I don't know who the perfect filmmaker to make.
557
00:28:40.940 --> 00:28:42.380
I would love, put it this way. I would love
558
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to see someone actually tackle the Dark Knight Returns. I
559
00:28:45.650 --> 00:28:47.230
don't know. I can't think off the top of my
560
00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:50.069
head who I'd want to direct it. But let me
561
00:28:50.130 --> 00:28:52.089
ask you this, Father Malone. This was an interesting thing.
562
00:28:52.170 --> 00:28:53.730
I thought of this and I can't wait to ask
563
00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:57.230
you this question. If you were going to cast today,
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the Dark Knight Returns, Give me your best Batman and Superman.
565
00:29:02.809 --> 00:29:05.109
Best Batman is Michael Keaton.
566
00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:05.910
You can have anybody.
567
00:29:06.009 --> 00:29:08.819
Michael Keaton is who I would put in right now.
568
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If you shot it today, Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne
569
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in that version. I would believe that his Bruce Wayne
570
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ended up in that story more than that fucking Misbegotten
571
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Flash movie.
572
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.529
That actually beats me. That hadn't even occurred to me.
573
00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:26.789
I was going to say George Clooney, not even thinking
574
00:29:26.849 --> 00:29:30.190
about the fact that he was Batman already also. But
575
00:29:30.410 --> 00:29:34.269
I like your Michael Keaton idea better. That's perfect.
576
00:29:34.970 --> 00:29:37.950
The mania of Bruce Wayne in Dark Knight Returns was
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00:29:38.109 --> 00:29:41.539
always in Michael Keaton in existence. in none of the
578
00:29:41.670 --> 00:29:42.559
other Bruce Wayans.
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And he's aged to perfection now. Yeah. That over the hill,
580
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.980
you know, can't really move, but he's going to do
581
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:54.019
it through muscle memory and gut it out. Yeah, I
582
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.700
could see that.
583
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.400
Now, as for Superman?
584
00:29:56.900 --> 00:29:57.099
Yeah.
585
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.079
Well, I'd probably just bring back Henry Cavill.
586
00:29:59.480 --> 00:29:59.640
Right?
587
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Superman doesn't age.
588
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.549
He doesn't. My brilliant stunt casting would have been Tom
589
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Cruise as Superman.
590
00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:11.829
Ooh. Yeah, he's old, but he looks young. He's got
591
00:30:11.869 --> 00:30:14.849
that Boy Scout shit. He's also got an edge to him.
592
00:30:15.470 --> 00:30:17.750
He knows what he's doing is wrong by just working
593
00:30:17.829 --> 00:30:19.869
as an operative for the U.S. government.
594
00:30:20.529 --> 00:30:24.289
He doesn't look... He looks old, but he doesn't look bad.
595
00:30:24.670 --> 00:30:28.009
He doesn't look aged. He just looks like someone who's
596
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kept good shape all these years.
597
00:30:31.269 --> 00:30:31.529
We did.
598
00:30:31.549 --> 00:30:32.789
But you can tell he's got the mileage.
599
00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:33.859
Well, yeah.
600
00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:36.819
No, he probably had a lot of surgeons on the payroll, too.
601
00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:40.359
But to think, yeah, imagine Michael Keaton and Tom Cruise
602
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:43.400
going toe-to-toe in that alleyway. Oof.
603
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:48.920
Yeah, you know, they unfortunately... I have to... We've talked
604
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.900
about this before, HB, but to me, that was icing
605
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.210
on the cake because we as Batman fans were sick
606
00:30:56.269 --> 00:30:59.430
of Superman being so popular. and not having any angst
607
00:30:59.450 --> 00:31:01.829
in his life. So it felt good to watch Batman
608
00:31:01.869 --> 00:31:03.730
kick the shit out of him. But now we've seen
609
00:31:03.789 --> 00:31:06.950
that happen. So it's robbed of its power. And by
610
00:31:06.990 --> 00:31:11.309
the way, that hadn't really happened in comics in 1985
611
00:31:11.309 --> 00:31:14.059
when the fucking book was coming out, you know? And
612
00:31:14.130 --> 00:31:16.579
let me read Zack Snyder's other quote, because he just
613
00:31:16.670 --> 00:31:20.500
can't stop. Quote, You can do no more than those
614
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two books. Watchmen came at the beginning of the superhero phase,
615
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:26.579
so it would be super fitting to have the Dark
616
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.660
Knight Returns come now, at what I would say is possibly,
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I don't want to call it the Twilight, but we're
618
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.660
down the road of the superhero movie genre. And I
619
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think audiences understand the why of it. Wait, he had
620
00:31:39.740 --> 00:31:44.180
something else to say. He continues. Let's not forget, The
621
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.829
Dark Knight Returns was written for a comic book audience
622
00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:49.569
that was very exhausted by comic books in the same
623
00:31:49.609 --> 00:31:53.490
way that Watchmen was. So having that movie written for now, people,
624
00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:56.420
And so having that movie written now for people who
625
00:31:56.460 --> 00:32:00.299
are exhausted by comic book movies would be a good time. Duh.
626
00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:04.200
One thing equals another. A plus B equals C. He
627
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.019
is such a dunderhead. By the way, as somebody who's
628
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.400
actually read comics and was actually reading comics at the time,
629
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:14.700
we weren't exhausted by anything. We were excited by new
630
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:20.859
and innovative books that had potential, that looked beyond the fucking...
631
00:32:21.289 --> 00:32:23.710
limitations that had been put on them for the previous
632
00:32:23.710 --> 00:32:27.089
50 years. There was no exhaustion at all, dude. You're
633
00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:29.349
the one who's exhausted because you've never fucking understood the
634
00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:30.359
genre to begin with.
635
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.859
I agree. I wasn't a jaded comic reader back then.
636
00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:39.059
I was thrilled by these new directions that comics were
637
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.720
taking us. Maybe if I had been in my mid
638
00:32:41.740 --> 00:32:44.519
to late 30s and had been reading comics for forever,
639
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:48.869
but we were kids, Father Malone, and we just happened
640
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.900
in the right place, right time. You know, that one-two
641
00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:57.339
punch of Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen will never happen again.
642
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.559
It was a seismic shift in how comics could be
643
00:33:01.099 --> 00:33:05.259
perceived and how the stories they could tell.
644
00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:10.220
I agree, but it's as if you and I read
645
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:12.829
those books then and we hadn't read anything previous and
646
00:33:12.869 --> 00:33:15.380
then we just said, and that's the end of comic books.
647
00:33:15.970 --> 00:33:19.359
Because that seems to be this fucking dickhead's attitude. I
648
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.670
bet he did read those when they came out and
649
00:33:21.710 --> 00:33:25.750
was just blown away, man. What's funny is what those
650
00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:28.470
books were aiming for was for blowing the minds of
651
00:33:28.670 --> 00:33:30.869
idiots who wouldn't pick up a comic book because they
652
00:33:30.890 --> 00:33:33.470
were for kids, and it actually worked on him. So
653
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.099
he still doesn't like comics because he still thinks they're
654
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160
for kids, but those two books blew his mind.
655
00:33:38.539 --> 00:33:41.599
I think there's a little bit of face-saving going on
656
00:33:41.619 --> 00:33:45.019
with Zack Snyder because I know that his latest picture,
657
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.380
the last photograph, I think that's the name of it.
658
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:48.720
Yeah.
659
00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:54.339
It's gotten terrible reviews. I mean, universally reviled. I don't
660
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.299
even use that word lightly. So I think it seems
661
00:33:57.380 --> 00:33:59.799
to me like there's, like I said, he's trying to
662
00:34:00.019 --> 00:34:02.400
save face a little bit by putting out these outrageous
663
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.569
quotes and maybe trying to manifest something that's going to
664
00:34:05.609 --> 00:34:08.130
come out of that because he burned bridges. Look, I
665
00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.650
don't care how many people wanted the Snyder cut of
666
00:34:10.690 --> 00:34:13.650
this or that or the other thing. Those movies were
667
00:34:13.690 --> 00:34:16.719
not very good. They just weren't. I've given him his
668
00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:18.880
props for Watchmen, but that's really where it ends.
669
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.219
Yeah, it begins and ends there for me as well.
670
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.619
I think 300 was a pretty movie when it came out.
671
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:28.559
Well, I give that movie its credit for being unique
672
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.929
and visionary for the time. No one had seen anything
673
00:34:32.030 --> 00:34:35.329
like that. He took a little bit of what I
674
00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:38.070
think Sin City was probably the closest analog with this
675
00:34:38.150 --> 00:34:39.719
sort of stylized look of it.
676
00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:41.789
Yeah, but I think Sin City came after 300. Sin
677
00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:42.829
City was before 2005.
678
00:34:42.809 --> 00:34:42.880
Oh.
679
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.730
Only a year, but it was before it. Huh. Which
680
00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:52.289
is not to suggest there was any real influence.
681
00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:55.190
What does not make sense? It doesn't make sense to me, actually.
682
00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:57.599
I'll tell you, that's what IMDb has.
683
00:34:57.619 --> 00:35:00.460
Oh, it was Grindhouse. It was Grindhouse. Never mind. Grindhouse
684
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.599
came out in 2006. What the fuck were we just
685
00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:03.000
talking about?
686
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.570
We were talking about, he has had some decent movies,
687
00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:08.949
some great movies in his past.
688
00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:10.969
What I just want to say about 300 is like
689
00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:13.550
as pretty as that movie is, it has that baked
690
00:35:13.630 --> 00:35:16.670
in xenophobia that runs through all the Frank Miller's work,
691
00:35:16.690 --> 00:35:20.250
you know, like the Persians are not just foreigners. They're
692
00:35:20.269 --> 00:35:24.829
fucking twisted creatures from beyond the, you know, the, the cosmos,
693
00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:29.010
you know, they're all mutated and sexualized and gross, you know?
694
00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:30.489
Oh my God. Calm down, Frank.
695
00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:31.110
Yeah.
696
00:35:31.530 --> 00:35:33.960
But it was like a, you know, I don't, holy
697
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.420
jihad batman it's.
698
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:37.960
Not one of my favorite movies but i would be
699
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.469
lying if i said it didn't pique my interest at
700
00:35:40.510 --> 00:35:42.469
the time and i thought it was an interesting movie
701
00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:45.469
but i'm not going to revisit it but i guess
702
00:35:45.510 --> 00:35:49.110
my point is he's had a couple of decent pictures
703
00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:53.030
in his uber but not more nothing more than that
704
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.659
you know those those superman justice league movies were terrible.
705
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.030
Gotta save martha All right, before we move on to
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00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:01.869
what I believe is our final story for the evening,
707
00:36:01.909 --> 00:36:04.929
I just want to send a musical shout out. Everyone
708
00:36:04.949 --> 00:36:07.610
go listen to Black Mekon's new album that's coming out
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00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:09.750
on the 29th. They have a song out now. You
710
00:36:09.769 --> 00:36:13.489
can listen to it. It's called Kill Them! This is
711
00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:16.449
a duo, a garage band duo from the UK who
712
00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:20.820
have been making mainly nearly unlistenable garage rock for the
713
00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:24.599
past 20 years. If you can picture... one guy on
714
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:27.079
drums and one guy on a guitar and both those
715
00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:30.079
instruments are broken and they're recording on a play school
716
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:33.619
tape recorder a fisher price tape recorder this that's the
717
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.099
sounds they were going the new album sounds really fucking
718
00:36:36.260 --> 00:36:38.619
slick and as somebody who plays a monster all the
719
00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:41.949
time this kill them song is a fucking anthem and
720
00:36:41.989 --> 00:36:43.969
it's really great so i'll even put a fucking link
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00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:46.469
in the show notes everybody right on you want to
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00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:49.579
recommend some music hp you find anything new lately Yeah.
723
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.539
Actually, you know, come to think of it, I have.
724
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.920
It's not necessarily some hidden gem like you described, but
725
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:58.980
Beck just put out another album called Ride Lonesome, which
726
00:36:59.559 --> 00:36:59.719
for me.
727
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.780
Is it all country flavored perchance?
728
00:37:03.050 --> 00:37:05.429
Well, here's the thing. I don't know. This would have
729
00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:08.329
been probably what the... Somewhere in the 2000s, he put
730
00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:10.250
out an album called Sea Change.
731
00:37:10.730 --> 00:37:11.230
I remember that.
732
00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.230
Which was, it's pretty much the ultimate breakup album. It's
733
00:37:15.269 --> 00:37:18.019
something I didn't even know that Beck was capable of.
734
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.460
The depth of the songwriting, the emotion. I love it.
735
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.400
I still cherish it now. Later, he put out another
736
00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:28.460
album called Morning Phase, which was considered part two of that. This,
737
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.099
you would think, is part three. This is probably the
738
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.719
conclusion of the breakup trilogy, if you will.
739
00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:36.679
Who keeps breaking up with Beck?
740
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.880
Well, I think he was divorced. I don't know about recently.
741
00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:44.139
He was married to Marissa Ribisi, remember?
742
00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:47.219
He was, but I think he remarried and I think
743
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.489
he's even divorced from his second wife, I believe. I
744
00:37:50.510 --> 00:37:51.389
could be wrong about that.
745
00:37:52.389 --> 00:37:54.730
Hey, man, if these are the results, ladies, keep breaking
746
00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:56.329
his heart.
747
00:37:56.489 --> 00:37:59.409
No one does it. I shouldn't say no one, because
748
00:37:59.489 --> 00:38:01.510
there's always going to be a Joni Mitchell or somebody
749
00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:04.780
who really wrote the book on it. Few people do
750
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.480
it as well as Beck does, and he's employing a
751
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:11.840
lot of the same musicians, same producer, Nigel Goodrich. It's
752
00:38:11.860 --> 00:38:15.500
a fabulous album. I've been listening to it, and really
753
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.579
a nice album to welcome the fall with. It's got
754
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.780
that feel, that melancholy feel that I think is appropriate
755
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:22.500
for this time of year.
756
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.489
There we go. Two recommendations. Check out the show notes, everybody.
757
00:38:25.550 --> 00:38:25.840
All right.
758
00:38:25.909 --> 00:38:30.389
Final story. Avengers Endgame is being released in theaters or
759
00:38:30.449 --> 00:38:31.730
has been released in theaters.
760
00:38:31.789 --> 00:38:32.690
Yeah. Okay.
761
00:38:32.710 --> 00:38:37.929
Sorry. Speaking of a naked cash grab, they've also now
762
00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:43.420
tacked on three new post-credit scenes. Now, I saved this
763
00:38:43.460 --> 00:38:45.719
to the end because if you don't want these post-credit
764
00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:49.079
scenes of Avengers Endgame spoiled for you, this movie from
765
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:51.460
10 years ago, that are probably just going to end
766
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.679
up on YouTube tomorrow anyway. In fact, this show will
767
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:55.739
be out for the regular feed on Friday. By then,
768
00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.219
I'm sure you can see them all in their glory.
769
00:38:58.539 --> 00:39:00.139
So we're going to describe them here because we want
770
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.679
to talk about them here. Now, the first is Bruce Banner.
771
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.940
This takes place after the events of Spider-Man Brand New Day,
772
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.489
but the post-credit scene in Avengers Endgame features it.
773
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:12.300
Okay.
774
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.389
All right. So anyway, he's in a subterranean military base
775
00:39:16.429 --> 00:39:18.849
because he can't trust himself and he's working on new
776
00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:22.469
gamma fucking whatever.
777
00:39:22.489 --> 00:39:25.969
Some sort of therapy to cure him.
778
00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:29.969
Yeah. Some gamma suppression, let's call them, techniques, right? Yeah.
779
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.699
And there's a green glow.
780
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.480
Sorry, can I interrupt just for a minute? Did you
781
00:39:34.579 --> 00:39:38.989
actually see these scenes or have you only read the descriptions?
782
00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:39.849
No, I've seen them.
783
00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:42.969
I was getting all these notifications early in the morning.
784
00:39:42.989 --> 00:39:46.949
I missed the boat, but to be honest, I really
785
00:39:46.989 --> 00:39:48.679
didn't care that much to see them.
786
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.880
If you read the description, you saw the fucking scenes.
787
00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:53.820
Fair enough.
788
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:54.340
Yeah.
789
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.920
So this green glow appears and Banner's like, who are you?
790
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.989
And he says, I'm here to collect you. And it's
791
00:40:01.050 --> 00:40:04.769
Victor Von Doom. And they leave. And he leaves a sigil. Right?
792
00:40:05.969 --> 00:40:09.889
Then the next one takes place in the Time Variance Authority.
793
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.679
It's Mobius, Owen Wilson's character from the Loki series. And
794
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.239
everything's cool and everyone's being mellow as they are in
795
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.619
the TVA. And then an alarm goes off and they
796
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.730
see that two timelines are going to collide with one another.
797
00:40:22.809 --> 00:40:25.329
And then the two timelines are firing missiles at each other.
798
00:40:25.869 --> 00:40:29.130
And then a million sort of other timelines start branching out.
799
00:40:29.809 --> 00:40:32.639
And they're like, oh no, the multiverse is collapsing like that.
800
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.800
And then the fucking final one is a post-credit scene
801
00:40:37.900 --> 00:40:40.940
that technically ties back to the first Iron Man movie.
802
00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:42.980
Because if you watch that movie to the very end,
803
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.980
The last thing you hear over the final credit is clanging,
804
00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:49.199
like you heard when he was in the cave making
805
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:50.940
the Iron Man costume for the first time. So you
806
00:40:50.980 --> 00:40:53.840
hear that sound again, clang, clang, clang. Now, this is
807
00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:57.409
positing that sound you were hearing was Victor Von Doom
808
00:40:57.489 --> 00:40:59.510
making his mask ahead of Doom.
809
00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.289
Yeah, we heard that at the end of the original Endgame,
810
00:41:02.510 --> 00:41:03.369
that clang.
811
00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:04.690
Yeah, and that's what was happening.
812
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:05.409
Yeah.
813
00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:06.190
I have.
814
00:41:06.809 --> 00:41:08.809
Well, first of all, let me ask you, maybe you
815
00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:11.440
know this. It wasn't clear to me from reading about it,
816
00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:16.150
but are these... Is this a clue situation where depending
817
00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:18.210
on where you see the movie, you're going to see
818
00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:21.309
one of three different post-credit sequences?
819
00:41:21.710 --> 00:41:23.829
No, they're all baked into that final print of that
820
00:41:24.809 --> 00:41:26.750
now overly long movie that you're going to have to
821
00:41:26.789 --> 00:41:29.769
endure again. Not endure, it's a good movie, but you know.
822
00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:32.659
This to me feels like, what if you took the
823
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.320
original back to the future? Only during the enchantment under
824
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.960
the sea dance of the first movie, you all of
825
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.889
a sudden start seeing... Marty McFly from the alternate timeline.
826
00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:46.489
And now there's two doc Browns in the middle of
827
00:41:46.550 --> 00:41:48.110
the street. And now all of that.
828
00:41:48.130 --> 00:41:50.869
You're describing back to the future too. You realize that what.
829
00:41:50.829 --> 00:41:52.630
I'm saying is what if you put all that, what
830
00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:55.570
if you re edited that all into the first movie?
831
00:41:55.590 --> 00:41:59.409
So now what you're doing is you are retconning all
832
00:41:59.429 --> 00:42:04.210
of that stuff, which came years later into this original
833
00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:07.760
semi-perfect movie. That's not, I'm not suggesting that end game
834
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.929
is a perfect movie, but it's, Why couldn't you? There's
835
00:42:10.969 --> 00:42:13.690
no good reason why you can't put all of those
836
00:42:13.730 --> 00:42:19.699
scenes as a pre-credit sequence in Doomsday. This is a
837
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:22.300
complete cash grab in every way, shape, or form.
838
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.179
Release them as one-shots on YouTube and on varying platforms.
839
00:42:26.780 --> 00:42:28.440
They used to do that in between movies.
840
00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:32.460
Make it worth our while as fans. Make it interesting
841
00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:32.820
for us.
842
00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.219
These post-credit scenes are effectively trailers. How about release them
843
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:36.929
as trailers?
844
00:42:38.030 --> 00:42:41.550
I can't say I don't get it. That's my natural reaction.
845
00:42:42.449 --> 00:42:45.110
I do get it because they're looking to make money
846
00:42:45.269 --> 00:42:49.650
off of a head of Doomsday. It really kind of
847
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.199
turns my stomach, Father Malone. I was so disappointed in
848
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.949
this news and everything around it.
849
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.420
Yeah, man. Puts a real damper on Von Doomfest. We
850
00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:01.119
had a good head of steam, but Marvel's been so
851
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:02.159
mercenary lately.
852
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:05.159
It is so, that's the perfect word for it. They're
853
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:09.260
so mercenary. Because if there's a dollar to be squeezed
854
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:11.800
out of this whole enterprise, they're going to find a
855
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:12.780
way to squeeze it.
856
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.739
And, you know, they've been advertising this as, remember this moment,
857
00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:19.550
live it again. No one's living that moment again. That
858
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:21.980
moment passed a decade ago. We did it. We done it.
859
00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:22.710
We know it's good.
860
00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:27.090
It passed. Again, I've said this over and over again.
861
00:43:27.110 --> 00:43:31.340
This all would have gone very differently had Jonathan Majors
862
00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:34.070
not gotten himself cancelled.
863
00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:36.010
That rotten son of a bitch.
864
00:43:36.789 --> 00:43:39.889
Ironically, it's like we're living in a totally different timeline.
865
00:43:41.150 --> 00:43:44.110
Thanks to his mistake. Thanks to him not keeping his
866
00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:46.230
fucking hands to himself. Dummy.
867
00:43:46.949 --> 00:43:51.179
For real. If this were ten years ago, or five
868
00:43:51.219 --> 00:43:53.280
years ago, and then this was all going down, I
869
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.039
might be interested. Oh, what kind of interesting little news? Again,
870
00:43:58.059 --> 00:44:01.550
I read the news, and I just sort of slumped
871
00:44:01.610 --> 00:44:04.469
and said this is just the new low i really
872
00:44:04.489 --> 00:44:06.710
i don't know it's not a good trend.
873
00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:09.699
No i don't know if it's a trend there's always
874
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.960
been cash grabs witness not to bring it back to
875
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
tarantino kill bill volume one and volume two i remember
876
00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.019
when it was kill bill i still have a 35
877
00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:20.519
millimeter trailer and advertising the release of kill bill.
878
00:44:20.570 --> 00:44:23.469
Sure i guess it's not officially a trend but it
879
00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:26.630
feels like the seal's been broken on this so this
880
00:44:26.670 --> 00:44:29.250
just gives them you know they can just go back
881
00:44:29.349 --> 00:44:32.179
and fuck with whatever came before it in the interest
882
00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:33.460
of making more money.
883
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:36.940
This is Lucas's fault. He opened the door by rejiggering
884
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.139
around with his original Star Wars movies. But he's been
885
00:44:40.179 --> 00:44:43.820
vocal lately too, man. Been talking about his original movies
886
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:44.739
that he wanted to make.
887
00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.429
Yeah, but at least in that case, and I'll take
888
00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:51.309
Lucas at his word that he was never complete in
889
00:44:51.369 --> 00:44:53.849
his own estimation. He was never completely satisfied with how
890
00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:55.690
those movies came out and some of the effects work.
891
00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:58.449
Maybe it was a little rough. So, And at the
892
00:44:58.489 --> 00:45:00.909
time that he owned it, that was his thing. So
893
00:45:01.409 --> 00:45:03.570
if he wanted to go ahead and rewrite history in
894
00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:05.860
that way, I can see where it would rub people
895
00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:08.239
the wrong way. But what are you going to do?
896
00:45:08.380 --> 00:45:13.260
It's not as if... He didn't go back into Star Wars. Actually, no,
897
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:15.280
I can't even say that. Strike that. Because he could
898
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.280
have very easily done that.
899
00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:19.860
He didn't do it to Indiana Jones, at least. Even
900
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.420
though he went back and retitled all of the films,
901
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.219
Indiana Jones and the.
902
00:45:24.739 --> 00:45:28.239
He didn't add Short Round into... raiders in some way
903
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.219
shape or form or add him in later to the
904
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.079
last i don't.
905
00:45:31.989 --> 00:45:34.449
Know they have a scene where indy's on the phone
906
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and marcus says who are you speaking to he's like
907
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a small boy in china that's right he's a friend
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of mine.
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So i it i guess there's maybe there's not a
910
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world of difference between lucas and kevin feige in this
911
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:52.440
case but it just feels so much more craven in
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00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.980
this case and so much more out you know just
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laying it all out there i.
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Just released if you think the movie's going to make
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00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.119
the money it's going to make that just release the
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00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:02.619
movie don't tack on this shit at the end to
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00:46:02.659 --> 00:46:05.219
make nerds fucking flock to the theater because that's what's
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00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.460
happening this is like putting the trailer for star wars
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00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:11.380
phantom menace in front of meet joe black i went
920
00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:15.940
to see meet joe black against every impulse in my
921
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.739
body to see a fucking star wars trailer i.
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00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:22.710
Went we went to see fantasia Just to see the
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00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:25.449
Tron trailer. Which at least, in that case, it's a
924
00:46:25.670 --> 00:46:26.949
worthwhile movie.
925
00:46:27.030 --> 00:46:27.369
Wow.
926
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But not for a nine-year-old kid who just wants action,
927
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you know?
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Did you really? Wow.
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I did.
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100%.
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00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:36.949
I went and saw the re-release of Star Wars because
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they promised a Return of the Jedi trailer at the beginning.
933
00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:41.710
Well, we talked about this. I tapped out after Star
934
00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:44.510
Wars because I just realized I was bored to tears.
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I'm saying, in 1981... Oh, when you were a kid, okay.
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00:46:49.909 --> 00:46:52.610
They've re-released Star Wars. See it back on the big screen.
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00:46:52.630 --> 00:46:55.570
Now with a trailer for the latest adventure, Return of
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00:46:55.610 --> 00:46:56.090
the Jedi.
939
00:46:56.389 --> 00:46:58.230
I guess it's been happening for a long time.
940
00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:00.429
Well, they used to re-release movies all the time because
941
00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:02.659
there was no other way to see them. I mean,
942
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at least in a proper format.
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00:47:04.980 --> 00:47:07.400
But no, that's different because in that case, it's a
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00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.300
separate trailer. They're not inserting things into the movie that
945
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.500
you already know. And here's another question I have. It's
946
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.130
less of a concern because... I don't know that they're,
947
00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:19.329
do they even sell movies on physical media anymore? But
948
00:47:19.369 --> 00:47:20.630
let's assume that they do.
949
00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:21.369
They do.
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00:47:21.449 --> 00:47:24.969
Does that mean that they're now going to release an Endgame,
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00:47:25.610 --> 00:47:27.920
a new version of Endgame with all of this nonsense
952
00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:29.079
tacked on to the end of it?
953
00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:35.500
I don't see why not. Endgame Ultimate Edition. Endgame Doom Edition.
954
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.360
I don't know.
955
00:47:38.869 --> 00:47:39.349
What can I say?
956
00:47:39.489 --> 00:47:39.769
You know what?
957
00:47:39.809 --> 00:47:41.670
Why not just put him in the movie? You know
958
00:47:41.690 --> 00:47:43.489
what I mean? Just take him as a character. Have
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00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:46.070
a few scenes with him and the characters interacting with him.
960
00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:48.539
So they lay some groundwork like they were trying to
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00:47:48.579 --> 00:47:51.179
do with 10 years of Jonathan Majors as Kang.
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00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.940
I just– I don't know why they didn't just put
963
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.519
these– all of these scenes in all in a row
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00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.500
at the beginning of Doomsday to prime the pump as
965
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.300
you're watching it. Because you're being reminded of all these
966
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.230
incredible moments. in some cases, from that movie, and it
967
00:48:07.269 --> 00:48:10.030
gets you really, it whets your appetite for the movie
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00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:10.230
to come.
969
00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.409
Yeah, but could it be that these are just scenes
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00:48:12.489 --> 00:48:14.570
from Doomsday, and they just pulled them out, and they're like,
971
00:48:14.670 --> 00:48:16.769
this is the trailer? Remember they did that with... Oh,
972
00:48:17.610 --> 00:48:19.780
I see what you're saying. Yeah. We were used to
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a post-credit scene that had nothing to do with the
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00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:24.440
movie you just watched or the one you're going to get,
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00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:28.420
but was a unique interaction. Tony Stark in a bar
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with General Ross.
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So your theory, one of your.
978
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:35.940
Theories is that maybe this is all part of doomsday
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and this is just a little extra you know appetizer
980
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.500
before the main okay you know but that that seems
981
00:48:42.579 --> 00:48:45.159
even more craven and the mercenary yeah.
982
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.840
Because they didn't even do anything they just took a
983
00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:49.179
bunch of footage they already had there was like there
984
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.469
was no craft to it at all it's just slap
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00:48:51.489 --> 00:48:53.469
this on that and then they'll pay.
986
00:48:53.570 --> 00:48:57.469
The way hitchcock used to do his own trailers for
987
00:48:57.510 --> 00:48:58.949
his movies and.
988
00:48:58.630 --> 00:49:01.469
We can't look in there it's too horrible Right.
989
00:49:01.949 --> 00:49:05.710
It was it was that to me, it was almost
990
00:49:05.750 --> 00:49:08.530
like a little gift to the moviegoers because you're getting
991
00:49:08.590 --> 00:49:11.070
something that you're not going to get in any way,
992
00:49:11.090 --> 00:49:15.159
shape or form. This is something unique to the trailer experience.
993
00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:17.619
I don't know. It just seems all so, just a
994
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.519
cash grab. It's really sad. It's a cash grab multiverse.
995
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.679
But I'm going to, I mean, look, they've already got
996
00:49:23.739 --> 00:49:25.599
our money. We're going to see the movie regardless.
997
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.250
It's a cash grab multiverse. And I think that's going
998
00:49:29.269 --> 00:49:30.710
to do it for the roundup this week. We're going
999
00:49:30.730 --> 00:49:33.550
to end on a downer with the Marvel so fucking
1000
00:49:34.269 --> 00:49:37.030
nakedly chasing the great.
1001
00:49:36.730 --> 00:49:37.829
And almighty dollar.
1002
00:49:38.349 --> 00:49:41.090
Next week, probably a review of The Stunt Driver. I
1003
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haven't watched Practical Magic 2 yet either, so I can't
1004
00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:46.170
really comment on that. But I guess one of the
1005
00:49:46.269 --> 00:49:48.650
review of that is on the way. HB, where can
1006
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people find you?
1007
00:49:49.610 --> 00:49:53.389
I co-host the Night Mr. Walters Taxi Podcast alongside Father
1008
00:49:53.409 --> 00:49:53.929
Malone here.
1009
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News to me.
1010
00:49:55.309 --> 00:50:01.269
I also host the Noise Junkies music podcast with an
1011
00:50:01.949 --> 00:50:04.909
Art of Noise episode that I'm trying to manifest before
1012
00:50:04.929 --> 00:50:07.820
I talk about it. And finally, I have a band
1013
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.579
camp site, hpmusicplays.bandcamp.com.
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As for me, you know where you are. You're here
1015
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on the Roundup. Every Friday, it's the Roundup. Every Monday,
1016
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it's a fest or a button or a switch or
1017
00:50:20.030 --> 00:50:23.750
a console or it's a tale of the unexpected. It's
1018
00:50:23.789 --> 00:50:27.110
a rotating group of shows. And over on the Patreon channel,
1019
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we've got a brand new episode of Vault 702, the
1020
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Fallout podcast. HP and I are going to be doing
1021
00:50:31.869 --> 00:50:32.909
something over there, too. What are we doing?
1022
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I don't know.
1023
00:50:33.690 --> 00:50:35.369
We're going to do something. What else do we do?
1024
00:50:35.429 --> 00:50:36.849
A lot of irons in the fire.
1025
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Yeah, we also have, oh man, what is it called?
1026
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What?
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Airlocks. Airlocks sensors and ray guns. Speaking of ray guns,
1028
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that is the sister series to button switches and consoles.
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That is a Patreon-only channel where Laura Grillo and I
1030
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are looking at old tech from old movies that take
1031
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place in the future. Sci-fi.
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Ah, yes.
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Until next time, everybody, try to enjoy the daylight. in Sicily.