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00:00:12.532I don't think I ever thought I would say these words, but we are about to record our hundredth episode of this fucking podcast.
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00:00:29.045I did not ever think I would say these words ever, and here we are, I'm about to say them.
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00:00:34.506We are here recording our hundredth episode of the Math Therapy Podcast.
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00:00:41.195Well, David's gonna be having a conversation with me.
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00:00:46.941Our producer David will be talking to me about this podcast.
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00:00:58.280What we've learned, how we've grown, why we started it, the juicy tea you've never heard before, the behind the scenes stuff, why we're still here, why we're still going, and, Dave, you there?
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00:01:07.820To kick things off, we've already had an argument, so longtime listeners and fans of the podcast will know that this happens basically every episode.
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00:01:19.460I'm gonna tell you what we argued about this time, which was that I decided to make things, to expedite things, I would put into ChatGPT, hey, gimme some questions that we can ask for a hundredth episode.
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00:01:24.070Now ChatGPT did me one better and it wrote this entire introduction for me.
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00:01:27.040Normally I don't like an AI written introduction.
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00:01:29.950David fucking hates AI, anything.
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00:01:36.037But when I saw this script, I read one sentence and I was like, this is hilarious.
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00:01:48.462And David was like, fine, I'll read the script, as long as we tell listeners that I do not want to read the script, and we are only reading the script to see if ChatGPT is actually a longtime listener and fan.
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00:01:53.688I was just doing it just in case it might be funny.
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00:02:02.283Are we ready?
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00:02:02.882So we're gonna read it.
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00:02:04.533We have not looked at, I've only looked at one sentence.
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00:02:10.052We have to read the introduction to the podcast as is.
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00:02:14.603This is what ChatGPT thinks we would say.
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00:02:18.682Okay, David, I need you to confirm something for the record.
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00:02:22.492Did we seriously just make 100 episodes of Math Therapy?
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00:02:27.983Is that real or am I dreaming inside a fever dream inside a math word problem.
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00:02:33.818Oh, it's real.
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00:02:39.263What, what, what's, did it give you any instruction on how I'm supposed to like read it?
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00:02:42.397I told you to take out instructions'cause we can come up with, just keep going, David.
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00:02:50.948Oh, it's real.
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00:02:53.198I mean, this isn't how I would talk,
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00:02:55.358It's so real.
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00:03:01.793We made it to 100 episodes without getting canceled, sued, or accidentally starting a math cult.
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00:03:03.323Honestly, I'm impressed.
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00:03:07.312Mostly with us, but also with the listeners for sticking around.
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00:03:07.943Right?
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00:03:14.782Like you all willingly keep tuning in to hear two grown adults talk about fractions, feelings, and the occasional existential crisis.
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00:03:18.467And honestly, that's love, that's community, that's math healing.
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00:03:28.436And for this very special episode, we figured let's just, ellipses, talk, period.
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00:03:30.175Let's look back.
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00:03:31.195Spill the tea.
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00:03:34.466Unpack the learning.
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00:03:39.265And celebrate the fact that we are somehow still here and still nerdy.
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00:03:49.286Today is part anniversary, part anniversary party, part therapy session, part teacher lounge gossip, part wait did we actually say that on the mic?
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00:03:57.925Before we jump in, V, do we give them the sharing nudge?
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00:04:03.686Oh, absolutely.
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00:04:14.366Friends, if you are already smiling or thinking, omg, my teacher bestie slash coworker slash cousin who hates math would love this, pause for literally one second and text this episode to them.
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00:04:20.771Awful.
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00:04:25.151Episode 100.
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00:04:33.142You don't have to tell them the punctuation.
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00:04:40.012David, no one has ever gotten hyped by the word pedagogical.
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00:04:44.783You should put a little like musical flourish in now
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00:04:51.720I think, whatever, that was the intro.
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00:04:54.870I think it got some parts like kind of right, but it was like 10%.
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00:05:05.949Oh my God.
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00:05:08.620Americans don't know what that is.
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00:05:09.699Canadians do though, maybe.
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00:05:15.745Vanessa.
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00:05:20.670A hundred episodes in after starting, when did we, when did you first start it, in 2019?
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00:05:23.904We started, 2020 was actually our first season.
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00:05:31.009Actually, we might've done them in 2019 and the second season in 2020.
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00:05:32.689Hold on, let me pull this up.
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00:05:36.199I'm gonna checking the very, very back of the thing.
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00:05:39.048We started our first episode, October 10th, 2019.
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00:05:40.879See, that's why you have to trust a producer.
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00:05:54.723So to, if anyone's new to the podcast, Vanessa and her friend Sabina Wex, you two started the podcast.
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00:05:59.019So what was your kernel of, of, uh, spark of uh,
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00:06:10.269This is what happened is I was doing a TV interview with like a reporter, and I, I do this a lot and normally when I'm doing interviews with reporters or I go on the news to talk about something math related.
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00:06:13.735The reporter or the host is always like super scared when I get there.
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00:06:16.435Like their math trauma just comes out.
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00:06:17.754They're like, they start shuffling their notes.
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00:06:21.295'Cause you know, they read their notes last minute, like two minutes before the episode airs, so
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00:06:23.064Just like I did before we started recording this.
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00:06:23.514Exactly.
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00:06:27.625So I'll sit on the couch and they'd be like, all right, Vanessa, The Math, and then they'd all of a sudden be like, oh God.
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00:06:29.139Oh my God, I'm so scared of math.
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00:06:35.125So I left yet another interview and Sabina was like, oh my God, these people need Math Therapy.
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00:06:50.235The reason I'm not reacting better to that story is because I've heard it a hundred times before, like most stories on here, but I am certain that the listeners will have found that story interesting.
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00:06:53.084We started it because we were like, people need Math Therapy.
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00:07:00.074And actually, if you look back at the podcast the first season, there were a couple of educators on there, but that's it.
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00:07:02.444Like eight of the 10 guests were not educators.
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00:07:17.185They were people like who had their own math trauma or who I like found on Twitter or met at a bar that said they like hated math, or people who had story, like your friend Miguel, who had a story about how he was told he would flip burgers for the rest of his life.
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00:07:23.995And like adults that like, were trying to do math again and you know, for the hundredth time when they're 40.
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00:07:28.384Like we didn't start with educators, we started with Math Therapy.
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00:07:33.538Well, we can skip ahead before I forget, because I, that is something I have been curious about.
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00:07:52.761How do you feel about how it has changed over the years in recent years, like recent seasons especially, but now that we've gone to a, uh, a weekly podcast, it's still kind of this way except for the last couple episodes where we had, some moms and we had a, a student, which was kind of a break from the, the recent pattern.
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00:08:07.880How do you feel about it having moved more towards you interviewing people in the math education community and more getting into the weeds and the podcast becoming kind of more of a teacher-focused audience.
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00:08:11.211I look at it as like another chapter.
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00:08:23.966Like that was like, you know, a season, like it kind of started a couple of years ago, I would say, where I went to my first NCTM ever, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics Conference.
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00:08:30.805It was my first one, I was so inspired by all these educators and I was like, wow, like I wanna talk, you know, every, all these educators are doing such amazing things.
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00:08:37.346They're not specifically all talking about math anxiety, but they're talking about instructional practices and pedagogy and grading.
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00:08:53.551But the reason I really wanted to go to a weekly podcast is, it was cool to interview just educators for two seasons, but I think it's so important to the conversation to talk to so many other people.
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00:09:01.951Like I think about like our previous seasons when we interviewed like Science Sam, about, uh, stem and science and stereotypes in science.
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00:09:08.610Or when we had an astrologer on the podcast talking about the myth that you can either be spiritual or you can be intellectual mathematically.
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00:09:17.155Or we talked to, uh, Katie Hafner about the Lost Women of Science and that whole thing of like how stereotypes about gender have impacted women forever.
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00:09:34.436Like there are all these like broader issues that really impact our kids in school, and I think it's really important to talk about the stuff going on in schools, but it's also really important to look at the world around them that is shaping kids, shaping parents, shaping our mentality of what math learning means and who belongs to the world of math.
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00:09:39.235So I actually feel like it's like I did a hard swing to being like, okay, now we're just gonna talk to educators.
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00:09:52.696And now I'm really excited to have time to explore both like the world of the intricate world of education, but also all these other pieces and perspectives that shape math trauma and anxiety and the experiences we have with math.
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00:10:13.280So I think now I'm feeling really excited about, like we've got a bunch of really cool episodes coming up with like a neuroscientist that studies gender and brains, you know, with like the Dean of Science at a university who talks about stereotypes around math learning and who's allowed to learn it like, I'm excited to go back to our roots, you know what I mean?
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00:10:18.201And just be able to have a lot of a broader lens with which to view math trauma.
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00:10:19.010Yeah.
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00:10:22.726And going weekly gives you a lot more flexibility in terms of covering different topics.
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00:10:32.537Because when we were doing it as a season, then there was this kind of self-imposed pressure to have it all put together as a theme or something.
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00:10:32.866Yeah.
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00:10:33.407Yeah.
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00:10:34.197I think too, like.
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00:10:47.307I think we get really siloed, like all of us, like not just education, but like when you're in a specific field or like, you know, in a specific community, we are very siloed and you start kind of like thinking everyone thinks like you.
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00:11:02.917And I think it's really important for us to be like, Hey, like yeah, we're all in education and we're kind of like in this bubble where we all talk about the same things and like, but our students, the people we serve, do not live in an education bubble.
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00:11:05.376Education is one piece of their lives.
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00:11:15.966So like, it's actually really, really important to see how every other piece, like all the pieces, like the kaleidoscope of lenses that impacts their math identity, it doesn't just happen in school.
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00:11:17.047Yeah, for sure.
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00:11:22.450I mean, that was ex very well illustrated by the last two episodes with Cat and Nat and with Taylor.
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00:11:22.720Yeah.
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00:11:23.519Uh, okay.
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00:11:27.178So going, returning to the where we started.
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00:11:40.807So, so you and Sabina started the podcast by getting a couple snowball mics and inviting some people over to The Math Guru tutoring center in Toronto, Ontario, Midtown Yonge and Eg.
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00:11:41.976Uh,
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00:11:42.517Yeah, it was cool.
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00:11:44.197We did the whole first season in person.
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00:11:52.355So my question is, did you have an overall plan, or were you like, we'll just record these and like, who was gonna edit it?
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00:11:54.846Because,'cause I was not there.
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00:11:55.791I mean, you've told this story,
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00:11:57.591but you must have been who edited the first season.
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00:12:01.385Well you've told this story before and then I've corrected like many stories happen.
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00:12:11.090Uh, where, uh, you had already recorded a season, And asked me if I wanted to edit them, and I've never done
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00:12:11.559That's not possible.
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00:12:13.039How did we set up the mics without you?
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00:12:13.730Exactly.
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00:12:14.299I don't know.
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00:12:15.620Let's call Sabina.
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00:12:17.460We don't have time for, you just started this
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00:12:18.169She's not gonna up the phone
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00:12:20.269by saying, let's keep this under 25 minutes.
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00:12:20.720Let's, so now you,
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00:12:22.019Let's just see if we can call her.
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00:12:22.639Do you wanna phone a friend?
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00:12:25.879We kind of need to, because we need to, she's not gonna pick up.
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00:12:28.070She never, she's actually very disciplined with her phone.
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00:12:30.926Like let's just see because I don't know what we're doing.
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00:12:32.635Oh, please pick up.
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00:12:33.176Please pick up.
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00:12:35.365Call has been forwarded to voicemail.
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00:12:35.426Okay.
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00:12:36.475Okay.
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00:12:38.221I'm gonna just message her and say.
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00:12:43.884Call us if you can, we need you,
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00:12:44.674Highly urgent
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00:12:50.735on the podcast to fact check how we started this podcast.
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00:12:52.958Okay, let's just see.
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00:12:54.515Okay.
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00:13:07.176While Sabina did not pick up the phone during our recording, she did send us a voice memo afterwards, so I'm gonna play that here because it has some very valuable insights into these mysteries of the very early days of the podcast.
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00:13:12.287I don't think that David was involved initially.
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00:13:17.677We were like, David's gonna come in after, he's gonna edit all the podcast episodes.
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00:13:24.787So no, David was not involved in the initial production, but we always knew we were gonna send him the episodes to edit for later.
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00:13:35.960But then we were talking to David, and he kind of threw a bit of a fit, totally fair, to be honest, that he wasn't there to do the audio part of it.
00:13:36.139 -->
00:13:52.716You know, David, if people don't know, is an incredible audio producer and really cares about small audio things that I would've never known about and that we did not know about in the first season, and I think probably made David's job a lot harder when he was editing the season later.
00:13:52.933 -->
00:13:58.726So David's like, I need to come in and set up all the audio stuff for you guys to make it sound good.
00:13:58.726 -->
00:14:01.187And we're like, dude, what are you talking about?
00:14:01.187 -->
00:14:02.897That's ridiculous.
00:14:03.047 -->
00:14:03.767It's fine.
00:14:03.767 -->
00:14:05.777Like, I don't even know how Vanessa and I did it.
00:14:05.777 -->
00:14:08.897We just kind of were like, let's, uh, plug in some microphones.
00:14:08.897 -->
00:14:13.307I think I had a snowball mic, you know, a, a podcast mic and Vanessa had one.
00:14:13.307 -->
00:14:15.197We just plugged it into a computer.
00:14:15.542 -->
00:14:26.491And people were still coming in in person at this point, we had all the guests come in in person and I remember rolling my eyes and being like, David, stop being ridiculous.
00:14:26.491 -->
00:14:29.221You know, this isn't a Grateful Dead show or something, like, who cares?
00:14:30.197 -->
00:14:33.047But David was a hundred percent right.
00:14:33.197 -->
00:14:35.687The show sounded so much better once he was there.
00:14:35.687 -->
00:14:39.736And also he was just so helpful to have around and to give us his input.
00:14:39.976 -->
00:14:47.296You know, David contributes so much to the show in terms of guests and what he thinks we should cut and how we should edit and tell the stories that we tell.
00:14:47.296 -->
00:14:53.655So it was actually really nice having David there, even though I initially was like, um, I don't think you need to be here.
00:14:54.135 -->
00:14:55.635So, sorry David.
00:14:55.635 -->
00:14:59.477You were 100% right and I'm so glad you were involved in the show.
00:14:59.706 -->
00:15:03.966And our first guest ever who came to record with us was Jonah Babins from season one.
00:15:03.966 -->
00:15:06.576He's a magician from Toronto, and a math major.
00:15:06.576 -->
00:15:10.716And I remember he came in and he was like, what are you guys doing?
00:15:10.767 -->
00:15:16.123He has a successful magic podcast, he was like, you know, you might wanna add some structure to the show.
00:15:16.123 -->
00:15:18.373You might not just wanna ask random questions.
00:15:18.462 -->
00:15:24.268And so he was the one who told us to ask two questions always at the end of the interview, the same two questions.
00:15:24.597 -->
00:15:30.868So that's where we got those two questions, because Jonah Babins was like, you need to do this, it'll add consistency to the show.
00:15:31.001 -->
00:15:34.361Just make some up and like do it on me right now and you can put it in the end.
00:15:34.662 -->
00:15:42.282So thank God he was our first guest and that he actually knew what he was doing and could be like, you guys need to clean up your act.
00:15:42.341 -->
00:15:45.942And then David came in in the second season and was like, you guys need to clean up your act.
00:15:46.001 -->
00:15:47.201And we're like, okay.
00:15:47.621 -->
00:15:48.101Fair.
00:15:48.101 -->
00:15:54.221And I mean they were both really right and it was, you know, obviously fun doing all this stuff kind of on the fly and not knowing anything.
00:15:54.221 -->
00:15:57.371But it was really nice to have other people tell us how to refine it.
00:15:57.761 -->
00:16:03.522And obviously, you know, you guys have refined the show even more and more and more, it just sounds better and better every season.
00:16:03.881 -->
00:16:05.922So congratulations on a hundred episodes.
00:16:05.922 -->
00:16:07.091I'm so proud of you.
00:16:07.249 -->
00:16:11.089I'm so honored to have been involved in the show and I still listen to the show.
00:16:11.159 -->
00:16:14.789Anyways, David, sorry you asked for one to two minutes and here's five.
00:16:14.850 -->
00:16:15.179Okay.
00:16:15.299 -->
00:16:16.019Love you guys.
00:16:16.019 -->
00:16:16.432Bye.
00:16:17.739 -->
00:16:23.558Okay, so, so from that initial idea that you and Sabina had to start a podcast to talk about this kind of stuff,
00:16:23.558 -->
00:16:27.989also remember Sabina actually found the first guest, like I had a couple of ideas.
00:16:27.989 -->
00:16:32.619But Sabina was like constantly like, I mean, she was like finding the coolest people.
00:16:32.619 -->
00:16:40.859She was like, oh my God, I heard about this woman, Merrit Moore, who's like a famous ballerina and like, a like physicist, like, you know what I mean?
00:16:40.859 -->
00:16:41.908We had like her on the podcast.
00:16:41.908 -->
00:16:47.129She was like, oh, I've heard of this guy Ben Zauzmer, who literally does Oscar predictions with statistics.
00:16:47.129 -->
00:16:51.269Like she would find all the, introduce me to all these cool people and she would get them on the podcast.
00:16:51.269 -->
00:16:54.928So I actually had not much to do with the guest selection in the beginning.
00:16:55.229 -->
00:16:55.649Yeah.
00:16:55.769 -->
00:16:56.009Yeah.
00:16:56.009 -->
00:16:57.844You were just talent.
00:16:57.844 -->
00:16:58.283I was just the talent.
00:16:58.528 -->
00:17:00.038just up strolling in.
00:17:00.058 -->
00:17:01.048Yap, yap, yap.
00:17:01.048 -->
00:17:12.314And it was cool to make connections to like how these people felt about math and like a lot of, a lot of my guests had never really thought much about math anxiety, like it opened up these really cool conversations, you know?
00:17:12.344 -->
00:17:12.403Yeah.
00:17:12.403 -->
00:17:13.634Like, anyways, okay.
00:17:13.634 -->
00:17:14.413What was your question?
00:17:14.743 -->
00:17:32.340I can't remember exactly, but, I, a different question that I had was, do you have a target audience in your mind of what the audience for the podcast would've been back in the day when you started it, what you would like it to be now or going forward.
00:17:32.340 -->
00:17:48.069Because the way it's kind of gone the last year or two, especially as you've gotten more into going into conferences and talking with other educators and stuff, and especially with your book Math Therapy is targeted to teachers, it seems like the conversations are directed more towards teachers.
00:17:48.340 -->
00:17:49.329how do you feel about that?
00:17:49.630 -->
00:17:53.349I am really the type of person that just kind of like goes with the flow of life.
00:17:53.410 -->
00:17:53.500Sure.
00:17:53.500 -->
00:17:55.819I really have never had much of a plan for anything.
00:17:55.910 -->
00:17:59.329I follow my intuition and where things are organically leaning.
00:17:59.329 -->
00:18:01.970So when we started the podcast, that was definitely not it.
00:18:01.970 -->
00:18:06.890I, the podcast was really not, it was just for like anyone listening, like I think it was more targeted at like.
00:18:07.075 -->
00:18:09.805The person who might have a complicated relationship with math.
00:18:09.894 -->
00:18:11.454And it was really, really cool.
00:18:11.454 -->
00:18:19.704You know, we got so much feedback because we tried to pitch this podcast to like Netflix and to like networks and every single person would be like, love the concept.
00:18:19.825 -->
00:18:20.934No one's gonna listen to it.
00:18:20.934 -->
00:18:23.154If it has the word math in it, people fucking hate math.
00:18:23.154 -->
00:18:24.595Like, take the word math out of it.
00:18:24.595 -->
00:18:26.904And we were like, no, that's the whole point.
00:18:27.265 -->
00:18:30.204Um, might have missed out on a Netflix deal because of that, but whatever.
00:18:30.384 -->
00:18:31.194Like, it's like
00:18:31.194 -->
00:18:31.585Still time.
00:18:32.244 -->
00:18:33.595But we've, it was really cool because.
00:18:33.714 -->
00:18:37.075All these people were listening to it, not just educators.
00:18:37.194 -->
00:18:38.454There was no target audience in mind.
00:18:38.454 -->
00:18:39.654We were just talking about shit.
00:18:39.835 -->
00:18:49.535Now, an interesting thing that happened that I did not anticipate is when I started doing talks for teachers, people would come up to me and be like, I listen to your podcast.
00:18:49.535 -->
00:18:50.585And I was like, what?
00:18:50.734 -->
00:18:51.545Like really?
00:18:51.605 -->
00:18:57.845And as it turned out, all of these teachers were listening to, to the podcast, but I had not like, expected that or anticipated that.
00:18:58.195 -->
00:19:05.336The whole point of the podcast is it's people I want to talk to who I find interesting, who I wanna like hear their perspective on something or I wanna ask them questions.
00:19:05.336 -->
00:19:07.586Like a lot of people, I'm just like, I wanna ask them about this.
00:19:07.586 -->
00:19:10.256I'll just ask them to come onto the podcast so I can ask them the question.
00:19:10.586 -->
00:19:15.895So like, no, I know it's important from like a marketing perspective to have a target audience and like.
00:19:16.330 -->
00:19:19.661Yeah, I think probably now our target audience is educators, right?
00:19:19.661 -->
00:19:24.671Like anyone in education, like leaders, superintendents, like teachers, tutors, coaches.
00:19:24.671 -->
00:19:26.290Like that is the audience.
00:19:26.290 -->
00:19:47.915But I mean, that's another reason I kind of wanna go back to having a more diverse range of guests is like, I hope that the whole point of this podcast is healing, whether you're the listener who's going to heal from listening to it, or whether you're the listener who's going to heal from hearing the conversation we're having, I want there to be more content that someone who's not an educator can listen to, because I think it's really, really important.
00:19:47.915 -->
00:19:58.685Like there's not many podcasts talking, I don't think there's any podcasts like ours that like has these conversations about math anxiety with like an astrologer, you know, like, so I hope that the audience broadens.
00:19:58.786 -->
00:20:02.355My goal is to get it in the hands of more of those people'cause they need to hear it.
00:20:02.355 -->
00:20:07.036But I'm also aware that that's like a slow build.
00:20:07.846 -->
00:20:10.965It'll land in the hands of those who need it most.
00:20:11.145 -->
00:20:17.326But I don't have a, plan because I feel like it's like important to like, not force something, but to be organic about it.
00:20:17.424 -->
00:20:17.594yeah.
00:20:17.594 -->
00:20:23.798Do whatever you can to get it out there and then your audience will tell you who they are.
00:20:23.828 -->
00:20:25.209Exactly.
00:20:25.209 -->
00:20:26.739Tell us who you are, by the way, if you're listening to
00:20:26.913 -->
00:20:27.034Yeah.
00:20:27.034 -->
00:20:27.394Text the podcast.
00:20:27.394 -->
00:20:27.834Text the podcast.
00:20:28.864 -->
00:20:29.473Text the podcast.
00:20:29.679 -->
00:20:35.048You can sit it, you can actually find the link in the show notes I'd, I'd actually like to know, if you're listening to this right now, who are you?
00:20:35.048 -->
00:20:36.098Are you an educator?
00:20:36.159 -->
00:20:36.338Hmm.
00:20:37.138 -->
00:20:39.479Tell us who are, who is listening to this fucking podcast.
00:20:39.509 -->
00:21:02.711Yeah, because I am very curious because I feel like so many of these conversations, a lot of the, the education based ones, like the pedagogy learning methodology stuff is very in the weeds for educators, but there's still in all these conversations you have, is a lot for someone who has a bad relationship with math, there's something for them, but how would they get it?
00:21:02.711 -->
00:21:04.211Like how would they know to listen?
00:21:04.270 -->
00:21:09.250Well, but that's why I think it's really important to have guests that people wanna listen to.
00:21:09.250 -->
00:21:12.280So for example, if I interviewed like Mel Robbins for the podcast.
00:21:12.560 -->
00:21:12.840Right?
00:21:12.840 -->
00:21:19.631All of a sudden people who like Mel Robbins or who like self-help would be like, oh, I'm gonna listen to my favorite self-help person on the podcast.
00:21:19.901 -->
00:21:24.471Then they're in and they're introduced to Math Therapy and they're like, wow, this conversation's really good, maybe I'll listen.
00:21:24.471 -->
00:21:36.363Like that's why the quality of the guests is so important and why it's important to get the diversity of guests, because like, you might not wanna listen to a podcast about math, but you wanna listen to what Mel Robbins has to say, for example, you know?
00:21:36.923 -->
00:21:46.105There's so many interesting people out there who theoretically, like from a objective lens or like from a narrow lens or whatever fucking lens, don't have anything to do with math.
00:21:46.105 -->
00:21:49.976And then once you get into the conversation, everything they're saying has something to do with math and their relationship with math.
00:21:49.976 -->
00:21:53.380But like, like broadening the guests.
00:21:53.470 -->
00:21:53.740Mm-hmm.
00:21:54.039 -->
00:21:59.529So if you're listening to this and you're not, actually if you're an educator or not, who should we have on the podcast is another question.
00:21:59.680 -->
00:22:00.880I feel like I just wanna ask
00:22:00.880 -->
00:22:02.049a lot of calls to action.
00:22:02.079 -->
00:22:05.019Oh, well, because I'm really now curious, it's like we've made a hundred episodes.
00:22:05.049 -->
00:22:09.970It's because of the people listening and I wanna know who the people listening too are because we actually have no access to those demographics.
00:22:10.209 -->
00:22:14.318Go to the show notes of whatever app you're using and text us this information.
00:22:14.648 -->
00:22:15.368Who are you?
00:22:15.729 -->
00:22:16.868What is your occupation?
00:22:16.959 -->
00:22:18.638Why are you listening to the podcast?
00:22:18.878 -->
00:22:20.169Are you an educator?
00:22:20.739 -->
00:22:21.548Are you a student?
00:22:21.638 -->
00:22:22.358Are you a parent?
00:22:22.479 -->
00:22:24.038Like who, who are you?
00:22:24.038 -->
00:22:24.788Who are you?
00:22:24.788 -->
00:22:25.479Who are you.
00:22:25.479 -->
00:22:27.219Should put that song who are you in the background now?
00:22:27.338 -->
00:22:29.528I think that would require some licensing clearance.
00:22:29.791 -->
00:22:30.571Next question.
00:22:31.122 -->
00:22:31.353Okay.
00:22:31.353 -->
00:22:38.073Let's reflect back on some of some of the highs and lows of the, of the podcast.
00:22:38.432 -->
00:22:39.272For you,
00:22:39.272 -->
00:22:45.218low was our episode two weeks ago about the Toronto Blue Jays but the episode itself was amazing recording it was a low.
00:22:45.893 -->
00:22:46.762Let's start with that.
00:22:46.792 -->
00:22:46.942Okay.
00:22:47.962 -->
00:22:50.032Why, why was it so low?
00:22:50.123 -->
00:22:51.593That was a really tough one.
00:22:51.593 -->
00:22:52.823We still haven't had our debrief.
00:22:52.823 -->
00:22:53.857I, I did suggest it's gonna be,
00:22:53.857 -->
00:22:55.178we're not doing a therapy session on the podcast.
00:22:55.498 -->
00:22:55.857I don't know.
00:22:55.938 -->
00:22:57.232I think that's what the people
00:22:57.472 -->
00:22:59.002No, it was a lo, okay.
00:22:59.002 -->
00:23:00.593First of all, that was an incredible episode.
00:23:00.593 -->
00:23:05.157It was about what the Toronto Blue Jays can teach us about math anxiety, basically.
00:23:05.577 -->
00:23:13.107And it was hard because I was recording it from a hotel room and I wanted to include all these voice notes from our friends and we were having all these technological issues.
00:23:13.288 -->
00:23:14.907It was
11:00 PM, Mercury,
00:23:14.907 -->
00:23:17.397And we came up with the idea in like a couple days.
00:23:17.397 -->
00:23:19.377We, we had like 48 hours, but we were,
00:23:19.377 -->
00:23:22.857and then I started eating a snack in the middle of it, the, David was super annoyed.
00:23:22.857 -->
00:23:23.518You could hear me chewing.
00:23:23.518 -->
00:23:24.417That was totally my fault.
00:23:24.522 -->
00:23:27.238I mean, by that point I was kind of numb to everything.
00:23:27.508 -->
00:23:27.657Okay, stop.
00:23:27.657 -->
00:23:32.883So I didn't even get that upset about the snack I was, it was everything leading up to it that we were both very upset with each other.
00:23:32.883 -->
00:23:37.748It was, it was tough and everything was fine, and the episode was amazing and I ended up creating an entire talk around it.
00:23:38.028 -->
00:23:39.587That I've been doing for the past few weeks.
00:23:39.917 -->
00:23:40.067But,
00:23:40.067 -->
00:23:43.097you know, uh, what's it, what do you guys, yeah, rupture and repair?
00:23:43.278 -->
00:23:43.968That's our process
00:23:43.968 -->
00:23:44.597rupture and repair.
00:23:44.688 -->
00:23:44.748Yeah.
00:23:44.748 -->
00:23:44.867Okay.
00:23:44.867 -->
00:23:46.097Some highs though.
00:23:46.458 -->
00:23:47.268Some highs.
00:23:47.567 -->
00:23:53.428I mean, one of the most memorable episodes ever will be when we interviewed Christopher Havens from jail.
00:23:53.758 -->
00:23:54.788That was crazy.
00:23:54.938 -->
00:24:07.272First of all, I'd heard about this guy, he had murdered someone, he was in jail and he was on the news because he had created this thing called the Prison Mathematics Project to help inmates rehabilitate with math.
00:24:07.692 -->
00:24:11.022And he agreed to be on the podcast and we had to call him in jail.
00:24:11.022 -->
00:24:12.553And it was like one of those movies, like
00:24:12.583 -->
00:24:15.758he had a maximum of like 15 minutes at a time.
00:24:15.817 -->
00:24:18.458And so he had made this system where.
00:24:19.167 -->
00:24:22.857Uh,'cause I think he had already, he had been in prison for like 15 years at that point or so.
00:24:22.857 -->
00:24:23.337Yeah, something.
00:24:23.631 -->
00:24:26.988I'll we'll link in in the show notes to that episode'cause you should check it out.
00:24:26.988 -->
00:24:27.948'cause it was really fascinating.
00:24:27.948 -->
00:24:28.307Unbelievable.
00:24:28.758 -->
00:24:32.958Uh, but yeah, so at this point he had rehabilitated himself and was.
00:24:33.557 -->
00:24:40.157Was like trying to spread the rehabilitation and, and spread math around and had started this project.
00:24:40.157 -->
00:24:50.721And so he had done this a little bit, so he had a whole system where he had two other friends in prison that would like line up behind him because you had to take turns at the phone.
00:24:51.036 -->
00:25:00.104somehow got a phone number because you had to call from, you couldn't zoom or Skype And then he would only have 15 minutes and then we would get interrupted with like an automated voice.
00:25:00.104 -->
00:25:00.374Like
00:25:00.403 -->
00:25:01.328You could hear it on the podcast.
00:25:01.328 -->
00:25:08.594Your call always gonna be intra, and then so his friend would be in line after him so that he could just get back on, call us back or something.
00:25:08.743 -->
00:25:10.304Yeah, he had to call a number.
00:25:10.394 -->
00:25:11.653He had to call us, collect.
00:25:12.449 -->
00:25:21.028Anyways, so that was a really interesting, just from my perspective, cool technical challenge of how do we record this conversation, and putting it together it was really cool.
00:25:21.414 -->
00:25:25.005Hold on, that episode led us to becoming friends with Christopher Havens.
00:25:25.234 -->
00:25:26.785Being involved in the Prison Math Project.
00:25:26.785 -->
00:25:38.765And then I think probably the second craziest episode is when we recorded an episode live after we visited jail to do math on Pi Day with a group of 30 inmates the next year.
00:25:38.974 -->
00:25:43.096So we went, me Sabina, and David went, to Bellamy Correctional Institute in Michigan.
00:25:43.096 -->
00:25:43.935We drove there.
00:25:44.236 -->
00:25:50.385Trying to explain to the customs guy at the border why, by the way we were going over there was tough.
00:25:50.385 -->
00:25:51.605He almost didn't let us in.
00:25:51.605 -->
00:25:53.385Like we were like, we were like, it's pi day.
00:25:53.421 -->
00:25:57.226He's like, like we're, we're just going to like bring some pie day cheer to the inmates.
00:25:57.226 -->
00:25:57.891And he is like, why?
00:25:57.895 -->
00:25:58.486Why?
00:25:58.486 -->
00:25:58.935He's like, why?
00:25:58.935 -->
00:26:01.486And then yeah, it's like, are you getting paid for this?
00:26:01.486 -->
00:26:01.635And.
00:26:02.476 -->
00:26:03.226Is like, no, no, no.
00:26:03.226 -->
00:26:04.215It's just volunteer.
00:26:04.306 -->
00:26:05.391And he's like, why?
00:26:06.300 -->
00:26:06.911He's like, why?
00:26:07.665 -->
00:26:08.086Why?
00:26:08.266 -->
00:26:10.455On the way back, by the way though, no one gave a fuck.
00:26:10.455 -->
00:26:15.526We were like, the customs officer, we were like, so it's pie day because it's March 14th.
00:26:15.526 -->
00:26:16.846He's like, please move, go.
00:26:16.905 -->
00:26:17.925Just go back to Canada.
00:26:18.076 -->
00:26:25.406Anyways, that was such a cool, we went to the prison, we had the most incredible time, I don't wanna give it away, you can listen to the episodes.
00:26:25.516 -->
00:26:25.576Yeah.
00:26:25.707 -->
00:26:30.685trip to prison on Pi Day is one of the craziest things I've done in my life.
00:26:30.685 -->
00:26:31.046Same.
00:26:31.911 -->
00:26:32.211Same.
00:26:32.211 -->
00:26:33.560It was so cool.
00:26:33.590 -->
00:26:37.520It was so, it was honestly, so hopeful, so heartwarming, so amazing.
00:26:37.730 -->
00:26:38.960Yeah, I'm really thankful for that.
00:26:38.960 -->
00:26:40.759That never would've happened without the podcast.
00:26:40.789 -->
00:26:41.059Yeah.
00:26:41.059 -->
00:26:42.380So a high for sure.
00:26:42.650 -->
00:26:50.029And although, I mean, I'll just say go, like going back to the blue Jay saying like, we aren't gonna do a full debrief therapy session'cause we're now over the time that you had allotted for us.
00:26:50.029 -->
00:26:53.269But I knew that that was a pipe dream to actually get this under 25 minutes.
00:26:53.480 -->
00:26:53.509Okay.
00:26:53.509 -->
00:27:10.385But anyways, I think it is important for, it is important to say, and maybe, and you know, just be vulnerable here on the podcast with the listeners, that, I mean it is just the two of us, so like some, yes, so it is stressful making this thing and I think we should give ourselves grace, namely, you should give me some grace.
00:27:10.806 -->
00:27:16.355For sometimes getting stressed out, like right now we're recording this in a room that looks like chaos.
00:27:16.536 -->
00:27:17.286Like we've got,
00:27:17.346 -->
00:27:18.695We need our own studio.
00:27:18.695 -->
00:27:18.996I think I wanna manifest that
00:27:18.996 -->
00:27:21.165Pointing this way in that flotsam and jetsom.
00:27:21.185 -->
00:27:26.496I've got mics going into who knows what computer with what webcam pointed in which direction.
00:27:27.185 -->
00:27:29.526Some of us are hydrated, some are not.
00:27:29.526 -->
00:27:31.536You lit some, was it Palo Santo?
00:27:31.536 -->
00:27:31.986Was it a,
00:27:31.986 -->
00:27:32.875it was frankincense
00:27:32.951 -->
00:27:34.145random tree outside.
00:27:34.736 -->
00:27:39.746It's like we're just kind of making it up as we go along, which is how we have, have a band as well.
00:27:40.063 -->
00:27:50.951The point is that and I mean, I was joking before, but about how, because you had referenced in some recent episode the rupture and repair and whatever, and like struggle and what is, it's a productive struggle, all this stuff.
00:27:51.431 -->
00:27:51.911The point is,
00:27:51.915 -->
00:27:53.201I don't know that you're using that correctly.
00:27:53.260 -->
00:27:56.076I'm j, whatever, you know, say, uh, what's, what's, what's
00:27:56.080 -->
00:27:56.935low floor, high ceiling
00:27:56.935 -->
00:27:57.715Yeah, low floor, high ceiling,
00:27:57.715 -->
00:27:58.270open middle
00:27:58.270 -->
00:28:00.070is this is, yeah.
00:28:00.401 -->
00:28:06.711The, the point is yeah, we, it sometimes we, we get in a fight and wanna throw it all up.
00:28:06.711 -->
00:28:07.747Know, does everyone need to hear this?
00:28:09.346 -->
00:28:09.636Yeah.
00:28:09.906 -->
00:28:11.241This is not interesting.
00:28:11.451 -->
00:28:11.811Okay.
00:28:11.872 -->
00:28:14.211Um, what's another great episode that you remember?
00:28:14.271 -->
00:28:14.511Okay.
00:28:14.751 -->
00:28:18.442Um, you know, one that always will stick with me whenever I think about the podcast.
00:28:18.501 -->
00:28:19.412I think about Bex.
00:28:19.842 -->
00:28:21.281I'm serious, I always think about her.
00:28:21.461 -->
00:28:23.518She's this, uh, woman I found on Twitter.
00:28:23.518 -->
00:28:27.478She had tweeted"the best part of being an adult is being able to opt out of math".
00:28:27.778 -->
00:28:32.998I just saw the tweet and I messaged her and I was like, come on my podcast, thinking, fuck, this is gonna be wild.
00:28:33.238 -->
00:28:34.738She showed up with a glass of wine.
00:28:35.153 -->
00:28:36.682I dunno how many she'd had beforehand.
00:28:36.772 -->
00:28:43.613She was such a good time and we had the coolest conversation, you know, which really it was like real hardcore Math Therapy.
00:28:43.643 -->
00:28:46.282'Cause it really started with her just being like, no, I don't care about math.
00:28:46.282 -->
00:28:47.093Like I can't do it.
00:28:47.093 -->
00:28:47.992It does not matter.
00:28:48.143 -->
00:28:50.182And by the end, like.
00:28:50.702 -->
00:28:54.303It turned out she worked at a bank and I was like, babe, you're doing math all the time.
00:28:54.303 -->
00:28:58.682And like she started sort of unpacking things that maybe had led to her having this view of math.
00:28:58.772 -->
00:29:00.452And that was four years ago.
00:29:00.452 -->
00:29:01.803And we still keep in touch.
00:29:01.803 -->
00:29:07.212She messaged me literally the other day and she was like, me and my boyfriend are at the pub and we're having an argument about math.
00:29:07.212 -->
00:29:10.242And like she messaged me and she was like, I think I'm right.
00:29:11.292 -->
00:29:13.032And I was like, oh my God, you totally are.
00:29:13.380 -->
00:29:18.356And that was like a random tweet on Twitter, and you normally see tweets like that and you're like, Ugh, this is some troll.
00:29:18.356 -->
00:29:21.626Like, but it's like when someone's tweeting something like that, they have math trauma.
00:29:21.626 -->
00:29:22.467That's the whole point.
00:29:22.467 -->
00:29:24.386And we're still like, friends to this day.
00:29:24.386 -->
00:29:25.707It was just, it was really cool.
00:29:25.886 -->
00:29:26.217Mm-hmm.
00:29:26.842 -->
00:29:27.892She was hilarious.
00:29:27.951 -->
00:29:29.362She's so funny.
00:29:29.422 -->
00:29:39.442But also there were so many interesting things that she dropped, like so many revelations that would be so interesting for anyone listening.
00:29:39.622 -->
00:29:44.781Just how she was talking about, especially because she was describing in detail her experience.
00:29:44.781 -->
00:29:47.842She wasn't just like, math is hard or like I'm stressed about it.
00:29:47.842 -->
00:29:51.402She was explaining,'cause she was talking about dyscalcula.
00:29:51.416 -->
00:29:51.622Did she say?
00:29:51.622 -->
00:29:51.832Yeah,
00:29:51.832 -->
00:29:53.311she brought up Dyscalcula
00:29:53.377 -->
00:30:03.847which I, she didn't even know that word for it, but she just knew, she was talking about how like dates would be mixed up right in her mind because just, she would just mix up the numbers
00:30:04.067 -->
00:30:09.377and how, how it's actually traumatic to not receive a diagnosis and just think there's something wrong with you and you can't do math.
00:30:09.557 -->
00:30:12.617It was so empowering for her to learn that that's an actual term.
00:30:12.768 -->
00:30:13.488It's a thing.
00:30:13.488 -->
00:30:16.397There's, there are resources and solutions.
00:30:16.667 -->
00:30:17.837It doesn't make you bad at math.
00:30:17.837 -->
00:30:18.738It's just like a little thing.
00:30:19.038 -->
00:30:19.127Mm-hmm.
00:30:20.057 -->
00:30:20.778Not a little thing.
00:30:20.778 -->
00:30:23.858I don't wanna minimize it, but it's like, it's just like I'm colorblind or something.
00:30:23.858 -->
00:30:23.979Mm-hmm.
00:30:24.788 -->
00:30:25.088Yeah.
00:30:25.088 -->
00:30:25.509If you,
00:30:25.509 -->
00:30:26.183is it the same kind of.
00:30:26.548 -->
00:30:27.538I am a little colorblind.
00:30:27.568 -->
00:30:27.929No, you are.
00:30:27.929 -->
00:30:28.618That's why I say it.
00:30:28.618 -->
00:30:29.878I'm like, it's like you're colorblind.
00:30:30.554 -->
00:30:31.259That doesn't mean like
00:30:31.259 -->
00:30:31.419Yeah.
00:30:31.419 -->
00:30:38.594I's if like you, it is a, another example where it's like something about you is different from the quote unquote norm.
00:30:38.743 -->
00:30:52.433Where the majority of society would experience the world in a certain way and you don't, so then you could fit, like I could, there's sometimes where like I feel dumb because someone's like, oh, you can't see the difference between these two colors.
00:30:52.463 -->
00:30:55.729And I'm like, no, that's just my rods and cones, okay, don't shame me.
00:30:55.729 -->
00:31:01.346But that's you accessible coloring, for example, now like okay, that's like a little thing that could be a bit of a limitation, but we can deal with it.
00:31:01.411 -->
00:31:01.471Yeah.
00:31:01.471 -->
00:31:03.361Sometimes like on Trello for example.
00:31:03.361 -->
00:31:03.421Yeah.
00:31:03.451 -->
00:31:15.540Like when we're organizing things by labels, you can have it by colors, but then there is a colorblind assistance option, which will kind of, instead of color coding the labels, it'll pattern code it.
00:31:15.721 -->
00:31:16.050So it'll have,
00:31:16.050 -->
00:31:22.031well see, and that's the thing, it's like, because you have to remember when we're talking about stuff like this.
00:31:22.392 -->
00:31:24.162It's What are you trying to measure?
00:31:24.731 -->
00:31:25.122You know?
00:31:25.122 -->
00:31:31.602So it's like, if you think about Trello, it's not that you're bad at organizing something, you just can't see the color.
00:31:31.602 -->
00:31:40.001So when you have an organized by pattern instead of color, all of a sudden that removes the limitation for you and allows you to do the actual task, which is organizing.
00:31:40.271 -->
00:31:42.971Sorting by color is not the actual task.
00:31:43.241 -->
00:31:45.551It's a mechanism by which to get the task done.
00:31:46.771 -->
00:31:47.061Whoa.
00:31:47.277 -->
00:31:49.582Sounds like that was, did you rehearse that?
00:31:49.582 -->
00:31:51.567That was No, I was just, that was a mic drop moment,
00:31:51.567 -->
00:31:52.346thinking it through.
00:31:52.346 -->
00:31:53.666It's like the actual goal.
00:31:53.666 -->
00:31:57.477This is what happens with so many learning differences in disabilities in math.
00:31:57.477 -->
00:32:00.767It's like the obstacle has nothing to do with the actual task.
00:32:00.836 -->
00:32:03.237So it's like people are like, oh, don't make accommodations.
00:32:03.237 -->
00:32:10.211And it's like, by accommodating, we're just allowing the person to do the actual task and not be limited by like the mechanism by which to do the task.
00:32:10.211 -->
00:32:12.612That has nothing to do with the thing we're trying to measure or teach.
00:32:12.971 -->
00:32:13.602Snapping.
00:32:13.872 -->
00:32:15.612Snapping, so I don't clap.
00:32:16.031 -->
00:32:16.332Okay.
00:32:16.332 -->
00:32:19.721Let's, we are doing great, but
00:32:19.721 -->
00:32:20.412we are doing great.
00:32:20.412 -->
00:32:24.041I feel like we have a manic energy, but I think it's because.
00:32:24.372 -->
00:32:25.271I have to pee actually.
00:32:25.332 -->
00:32:26.021I knew it.
00:32:26.021 -->
00:32:29.231I was gonna, I guess I've seen you like bouncing up and down this whole time.
00:32:29.231 -->
00:32:30.642I was like, oh God, she's gotta pee.
00:32:31.031 -->
00:32:33.942I'll share an embarrassing secret about Vanessa.
00:32:34.092 -->
00:32:35.652That's completely absurd.
00:32:35.682 -->
00:32:36.251What?
00:32:36.342 -->
00:32:51.580Which is, here's some behi, the behind the scenes often during interviews, Vanessa will intentionally not go pee because, for some reason she's like having, the having to pee.
00:32:51.641 -->
00:32:51.911Yeah.
00:32:51.971 -->
00:32:52.750Gives her,
00:32:52.750 -->
00:32:53.445gives energy.
00:32:53.861 -->
00:32:56.201Energy to do the task ahead.
00:32:56.260 -->
00:32:57.851I do it when I record a vocal take too.
00:32:57.851 -->
00:32:59.590When we're recording an album, I always wanna like,
00:32:59.590 -->
00:33:04.030oh, that I am aware of and that grinds me gears.
00:33:04.451 -->
00:33:04.510Why?
00:33:04.540 -->
00:33:07.810Because then you're like jumping up and down and you're always wearing something jingly too.
00:33:07.810 -->
00:33:09.820So then that's not very good in a recording studio.
00:33:09.820 -->
00:33:10.570I think it's helping.
00:33:10.570 -->
00:33:11.951It's helping this episode.
00:33:11.980 -->
00:33:12.161It's like,
00:33:12.221 -->
00:33:13.990no, it's making me manic.
00:33:13.990 -->
00:33:15.280'cause you're like hopping up and down.
00:33:15.280 -->
00:33:15.671I can tell.
00:33:15.671 -->
00:33:16.270You have to pee.
00:33:16.270 -->
00:33:18.941And then it's like all of a sudden I have to pee, but I don't have to pee.
00:33:18.941 -->
00:33:19.685I just feel like, okay,
00:33:19.685 -->
00:33:20.381let's, no one needs,
00:33:20.381 -->
00:33:21.401my soul has to pee.
00:33:21.431 -->
00:33:25.121Okay, let's go, I think we should move into the final chunk.
00:33:25.181 -->
00:33:25.451What?
00:33:25.451 -->
00:33:25.931What are you doing?
00:33:25.990 -->
00:33:26.980No, I just had an idea.
00:33:26.980 -->
00:33:29.046I was gonna say,'cause yeah, we can move into.
00:33:29.756 -->
00:33:30.566No, don't pee.
00:33:30.566 -->
00:33:34.435You're, you're, you've got, let's just ride this manic energy until we we're finished.
00:33:34.482 -->
00:33:38.066I was going to read a piece of fan mail
00:33:38.155 -->
00:33:38.455Oh.
00:33:38.486 -->
00:33:41.425That we did receive when someone in fact did text the podcast.
00:33:41.425 -->
00:33:47.050So just in case you are constantly hearing us say, text the podcast, text the podcast, and you're like, nah, nah.
00:33:47.631 -->
00:33:47.931Do it.
00:33:47.931 -->
00:33:48.836We'll just, yeah.
00:33:48.836 -->
00:33:49.526Just to let you know.
00:33:49.526 -->
00:33:51.685Some people do and it really warms our hearts.
00:33:51.715 -->
00:33:54.236Okay, so here's an example we received from Phoenix, Arizona.
00:33:54.921 -->
00:33:55.911That's as much as we get.
00:33:55.911 -->
00:33:56.721We, I don't have a name.
00:33:56.721 -->
00:33:58.701Yeah, we don't see your name, but that's also fine.
00:33:58.790 -->
00:33:59.661Can tell us your name?
00:33:59.990 -->
00:34:00.921Whoa.
00:34:02.006 -->
00:34:02.296Okay.
00:34:03.621 -->
00:34:05.330Uh, Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:05.361 -->
00:34:08.751Miscellaneous person says, I just listened to the new newest episode.
00:34:08.751 -->
00:34:10.521I'm excited you're moving to a weekly format.
00:34:10.760 -->
00:34:14.731Also, I am immediately texted the episode link to a fifth grade teacher I'm working with.
00:34:16.391 -->
00:34:17.030Understand the assignment.
00:34:17.030 -->
00:34:19.210The main, I wanted to say this, read this out.
00:34:19.210 -->
00:34:19.451Okay.
00:34:19.630 -->
00:34:22.150This, this teacher back to Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:22.481 -->
00:34:27.960This teacher wants to change the mindset of her students, and I had already sent her some Jo Boaler videos.
00:34:28.300 -->
00:34:29.181Shout out Jo Boaler
00:34:29.231 -->
00:34:29.710Love her.
00:34:29.920 -->
00:34:39.130Uh, however, this episode of your podcast hit home a very important part of mindset, and that is how we can reduce or increase our students' math anxiety without even realizing.
00:34:39.130 -->
00:34:39.795Thank you for this episode.
00:34:41.110 -->
00:34:41.650Isn't that lovely?
00:34:41.800 -->
00:34:42.010Yeah.
00:34:42.010 -->
00:34:44.650Vanessa, do other messages?
00:34:44.800 -->
00:34:48.911Uh, they can be general off the top of your mind or if you happen to have written any down somewhere.
00:34:48.940 -->
00:34:55.617Does anything come to mind of feedback you've gotten or maybe like when you've been at conferences, meeting teachers and listeners.
00:34:55.617 -->
00:34:58.393Like what kind of feedback have you gotten that's really affected you?
00:34:59.141 -->
00:35:05.092I was stunned at first that teachers listened to it and then I've had so many teachers say, you know, this has really changed my practice.
00:35:05.092 -->
00:35:08.572Like this has really made me see math anxiety in a new way.
00:35:08.782 -->
00:35:14.452I didn't understand it before, or I've never experienced it, it really helped me like get the student perspective.
00:35:14.692 -->
00:35:30.016Or like one of my favorites when teachers, and non-teachers are like, it's really made me feel seen, like, oh my God, I never realized that like, I had experienced math trauma and this just really validated the way I've been feeling and provided like solutions and strategies.
00:35:30.226 -->
00:35:34.306I've had several adults text the podcast and be like, this has inspired me to try math again.
00:35:34.755 -->
00:35:39.469So that type of feedback is so meaningful and so important.
00:35:40.333 -->
00:35:43.873I also love when people like weigh into the conversations.
00:35:43.873 -->
00:35:47.233Like they've actually listened to it and they're like, hold on, I've got something I wanna say about this.
00:35:47.233 -->
00:35:50.864Or like, they leave me a voice note and they're like, wait a second, I wanna argue with this point.
00:35:50.864 -->
00:35:57.134Or like, and to add on to this, like, I think it just adds to the fact that like, it really is, like, as a community, we're stronger, right?
00:35:57.186 -->
00:35:58.784The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
00:35:58.905 -->
00:35:59.445It's like.
00:36:00.195 -->
00:36:07.065We have, when we put all the perspectives together, it's like that's when we come up with like the best solutions and understand the problem from all the perspectives.
00:36:07.065 -->
00:36:24.704So all that to say, yeah, like the feedback I get of people feeling seen and validated and being able to put a name to something they're experiencing, feeling less alone, like feeling like they've gotten inspired and feel more hopeful about their ability to build a better relationship with math, like that means everything.
00:36:24.880 -->
00:36:25.005Yeah.
00:36:25.085 -->
00:36:45.000And whenever you share, a piece of feedback that like someone's emailed you or sent you a text or something, talking about how much an episode or your work has meant for them, it's so cool to see and it makes the work that we do on this podcast or, or working on your other stuff, it makes it all feel so much more worthwhile.
00:36:45.000 -->
00:36:46.619And also, yeah, there's the connection.
00:36:46.949 -->
00:36:53.739'Cause it's just like with our band, like we make stuff and put it out there, you don't know what effect it's having.
00:36:53.760 -->
00:36:56.684You don't know if anyone's listening, if they care about it.
00:36:56.684 -->
00:37:12.722And then when you hear it's actually really connected someone then that makes you feel, even if I've never met some person who's sending you this feedback, it's so cool to know that the work that we've done has reached someone and has made their life a little bit better.
00:37:14.311 -->
00:37:20.731And that makes us feel like we're more connected to kind of a, a community in the actual world.
00:37:20.762 -->
00:37:20.882Yeah.
00:37:20.882 -->
00:37:24.661Like imagine this is like, I'm just thinking this is like, we always have this conversation with our music.
00:37:24.661 -->
00:37:28.202It's like when you make art, you make it because it's like catharsis.
00:37:28.262 -->
00:37:30.811know, we have this creative outlet and something needs to come out of us.
00:37:31.112 -->
00:37:37.351But like, would you record an album, if, if, this is like a tree falls in the forest thing, right?
00:37:37.351 -->
00:37:41.041Like would you record an album if you knew no one was gonna listen to it?
00:37:41.161 -->
00:37:46.711Would we record a podcast if we knew for a fact it would be impossible for anyone to listen to it?
00:37:48.391 -->
00:37:48.992No.
00:37:49.532 -->
00:37:49.802Yeah.
00:37:49.802 -->
00:37:50.311No, no,
00:37:50.371 -->
00:37:50.612No.
00:37:50.702 -->
00:37:50.942Right.
00:37:51.032 -->
00:38:04.695Even though it's like it is a creative outlet and like outer processing is so cathartic and like it's nice to get this stuff out, but it's like when we play a show at to an empty room, which we've done many times, versus a room with people in it, if there is an energy exchange.
00:38:05.076 -->
00:38:09.695And like that's what happens when you are teaching a class or when you're in a student in a class.
00:38:09.695 -->
00:38:13.331Like you cannot take away the aspect of co-creation.
00:38:13.331 -->
00:38:16.001Like we are co-creating our experience on the planet together.
00:38:16.150 -->
00:38:18.760We are co-creating mathematical experiences together.
00:38:18.760 -->
00:38:19.210So,
00:38:19.780 -->
00:38:25.811So it's time to announce that Math Therapy, the podcast is going on tour hitting an arena near you.
00:38:25.811 -->
00:38:26.050No.
00:38:26.110 -->
00:38:26.411Okay.
00:38:26.411 -->
00:38:33.070So let's, let's wrap up with talking with some future talk like, Ooh, who is our dream guest that we still haven't had?
00:38:33.251 -->
00:38:33.880Hmm.
00:38:33.880 -->
00:38:34.780Who would it be?
00:38:35.771 -->
00:38:36.041Okay.
00:38:36.041 -->
00:38:37.360Well, obviously we know the answer.
00:38:38.740 -->
00:38:39.550Keanu Reeves.
00:38:40.641 -->
00:38:41.150Sure.
00:38:41.240 -->
00:38:42.920Like obviously that would be number one.
00:38:43.101 -->
00:38:44.811If I was gonna be like, what is my goal?
00:38:45.021 -->
00:38:46.221It'd be Keanu Reeves.
00:38:46.275 -->
00:38:51.898he's like your, Obama of, if this was Marc Maron's, WTF.
00:38:52.318 -->
00:38:53.452Does anyone know what that is?
00:38:53.652 -->
00:38:54.597This is a deep cut.
00:38:54.597 -->
00:38:55.407It's so deep.
00:38:55.947 -->
00:39:00.027He, well, me, Marc Maron just ended his podcast and Obama was his last
00:39:00.027 -->
00:39:00.418shut up,
00:39:01.197 -->
00:39:01.978his last interview.
00:39:02.007 -->
00:39:03.387That's unbelievable.
00:39:03.447 -->
00:39:04.557He had been on it before.
00:39:04.557 -->
00:39:04.568Oh.
00:39:05.713 -->
00:39:07.032This is even more unbelievable.
00:39:07.182 -->
00:39:07.302Okay.
00:39:07.302 -->
00:39:07.393Well,
00:39:07.393 -->
00:39:11.052so basically you, so ke Keanu Reeves is your Obama.
00:39:11.592 -->
00:39:11.652Yeah.
00:39:11.652 -->
00:39:11.762Said number one.
00:39:11.762 -->
00:39:13.753Number two would be Taylor Swift.
00:39:13.813 -->
00:39:14.202Oh wow.
00:39:14.262 -->
00:39:18.853I actually wanna talk, I mean, she, she has said that she loves numerology and numbers.
00:39:18.853 -->
00:39:18.943Mm-hmm.
00:39:18.943 -->
00:39:24.492And that was like such a big like thing, I think a, I'd love to interview Taylor Swift to talk, what?
00:39:24.612 -->
00:39:32.293Well, so no, I do think before Taylor like, sure, Taylor would be great for publicity, but I feel like Paris Hilton is still,
00:39:32.322 -->
00:39:32.952oh my God.
00:39:32.952 -->
00:39:33.342Oh my God.
00:39:33.342 -->
00:39:33.733I'm sorry.
00:39:33.733 -->
00:39:34.362Paris Hilton.
00:39:34.963 -->
00:39:36.132Hundred percent number two.
00:39:36.402 -->
00:39:36.583Yeah.
00:39:36.612 -->
00:39:39.853'cause she's like really was, was into the math
00:39:39.858 -->
00:39:41.592and that, she wasn't into math.
00:39:41.592 -->
00:39:43.302Didn't she get into, she
00:39:43.543 -->
00:39:45.913She was the to she was the title of my thesis.
00:39:45.913 -->
00:39:46.333No, I know.
00:39:46.333 -->
00:39:46.693But then
00:39:46.693 -->
00:39:48.672Imagining a World Where Paris Hilton Loves Math.
00:39:48.853 -->
00:39:56.952She, to me, the thing I wanna talk to her about is the idea of influence and media representation on.
00:39:57.211 -->
00:40:03.931specifically girls' perception of whether or not math is something that's for them and her whole,"that's hot" thing.
00:40:03.931 -->
00:40:08.911All this stuff around, like, people talk about like, she plays dumb, but she's actually really, really smart.
00:40:08.911 -->
00:40:21.186That's more what I'm thinking because I, I, because remember we watched that documentary a few years ago, she was well, but I think it was, maybe it's just more, I've gotta look this up at to remind myself, but I think it was, yeah, more just the fact that she was really dumbing herself down.
00:40:21.186 -->
00:40:21.606Yeah, that's what it was.
00:40:21.936 -->
00:40:28.266But actually is very intelligent, apparently, and like a really like now successful business person.
00:40:28.266 -->
00:40:30.036That's what I wanna talk to her about because it's like,
00:40:30.036 -->
00:40:31.177which requires math.
00:40:31.219 -->
00:40:31.610Exactly.
00:40:31.610 -->
00:40:33.199I really wanna talk to her about that.
00:40:33.230 -->
00:40:35.239Especially because she was the topic of my whole thesis.
00:40:35.300 -->
00:40:35.489Yeah, exactly.
00:40:35.489 -->
00:40:35.500Yes.
00:40:35.644 -->
00:40:36.670Like, okay, so a hundred percent.
00:40:36.873 -->
00:40:39.356Keanu Reeves, Paris Hilton, Taylor Swift.
00:40:39.806 -->
00:40:40.255I always thought
00:40:40.255 -->
00:40:40.856Mel Robbins.
00:40:41.135 -->
00:40:43.746I think Mel Robbins, we actually, I wanna be interviewed by Mel.
00:40:43.746 -->
00:40:43.947Yeah.
00:40:43.947 -->
00:40:45.246You wanna be on Mel's podcast.
00:40:45.266 -->
00:40:45.876That's what I would like.
00:40:46.056 -->
00:40:47.856I actually think that'd be incredible.
00:40:47.856 -->
00:40:48.652But no, I think it's,
00:40:48.771 -->
00:40:52.117I always thought that it, I think we were talking about this with Sabina back in the day.
00:40:52.987 -->
00:40:57.967But I've always thought it would be cool to interview David Suzuki because
00:40:58.266 -->
00:40:59.527we could probably interview him.
00:40:59.646 -->
00:41:01.387I think we tried and it didn't really work.
00:41:01.447 -->
00:41:01.597What?
00:41:01.597 -->
00:41:02.646Lemme check my emails.
00:41:02.827 -->
00:41:03.697Check your email.
00:41:03.697 -->
00:41:08.706Did David Suzuki, are you gonna find in your, in your inbox deep buried from a few years ago?
00:41:08.887 -->
00:41:10.416Suzuki, how do I spell that?
00:41:10.597 -->
00:41:14.137Uh, S-U-Z-U-K-I.
00:41:15.496 -->
00:41:17.572Maybe this is not what we should be recording.
00:41:17.572 -->
00:41:17.811Okay.
00:41:17.817 -->
00:41:19.097What do you wanna interview him about?
00:41:19.101 -->
00:41:28.336I was, I just always thought that he would be very interesting because his career was based around science communication and so
00:41:28.396 -->
00:41:28.907He's Canadian.
00:41:28.907 -->
00:41:30.496Like I ran into him once.
00:41:30.947 -->
00:41:31.876He's a legend.
00:41:32.344 -->
00:41:39.871The problem is that at this point in, in his career, he's like really pissed off at everyone for not having heeded all of his advice.
00:41:39.871 -->
00:41:42.775So now he's just like, well, you guys are all like you guys fucked yourself.
00:41:42.775 -->
00:41:44.400That's like some good energy to have on the pod.
00:41:44.701 -->
00:41:46.351That would really match your
00:41:46.351 -->
00:41:46.860Should I email?
00:41:46.860 -->
00:41:48.210I mean, we can put him on the list.
00:41:48.331 -->
00:41:48.570Yeah.
00:41:48.570 -->
00:41:55.501I think it'd be cool for you to talk to him just about how do we, but he has gotten pretty cynical because he's like spent his entire life trying.
00:41:55.501 -->
00:41:57.960I could really jive with some cynical energy.
00:41:58.755 -->
00:41:59.295Let's do it.
00:41:59.356 -->
00:41:59.686All right.
00:41:59.686 -->
00:41:59.896Suzuki,
00:41:59.990 -->
00:42:05.769I feel like Steve Leinwand is the Su, the David Suzuki of math, and we're gonna have Steve Leinwand on the podcast and you're gonna be obsessed with him.
00:42:05.949 -->
00:42:06.699Oh, great.
00:42:06.760 -->
00:42:12.670Like it's already cynical, but he's like, I think he's also like, guys get it the fuck together.
00:42:12.670 -->
00:42:13.360You know what I mean?
00:42:13.389 -->
00:42:21.550Not to speak for you, Steve, I'd love to have you on the podcast, but like I've seen him talk and he's just like, says it as it is and he is kind of like, no bullshit.
00:42:21.550 -->
00:42:25.934I feel like that's, I don't know Steve Leinwand's mad that no one's heated his advice.
00:42:25.934 -->
00:42:26.715I don't think so.
00:42:27.585 -->
00:42:34.003I am tuning out and getting bored, so I can only imagine how our, our listeners feel.
00:42:34.094 -->
00:42:34.333Okay, fine.
00:42:34.333 -->
00:42:34.603Fine.
00:42:34.693 -->
00:42:37.213How were you planning to wrap this up with another,
00:42:37.213 -->
00:42:40.543okay, so you stop at David Suzuki, take out the Steve Linewand stuff, and I'm gonna say
00:42:40.543 -->
00:42:41.204I'm the editor.
00:42:41.233 -->
00:42:41.563Okay.
00:42:41.653 -->
00:42:43.184Don't tell me you had to chop this up.
00:42:44.173 -->
00:42:45.793Um, I think, I think that's it.
00:42:45.813 -->
00:42:47.561Oh, one question I have for you.
00:42:47.561 -->
00:42:47.831Okay.
00:42:48.190 -->
00:42:50.501If the podcast had an unlimited budget.
00:42:50.626 -->
00:42:54.675This is us lowkey saying we are now gonna be looking for sponsors for the podcast.
00:42:54.675 -->
00:43:01.456So if you're listening and you would like your company to sponsor the pod, this is your moment to fucking text the podcast.
00:43:03.016 -->
00:43:03.766Actually email me.
00:43:03.795 -->
00:43:04.096That's probably
00:43:04.096 -->
00:43:09.646You want an advertiser to propose a partnership, brand partnership by texting us,
00:43:09.675 -->
00:43:10.346vanessa at themathguru dot ca
00:43:10.365 -->
00:43:12.045There's a character limit in those texts.
00:43:12.135 -->
00:43:12.496Okay.
00:43:12.945 -->
00:43:14.990If we had unlimited budget, what would we do?
00:43:17.215 -->
00:43:17.786Oh goodness.
00:43:17.786 -->
00:43:17.846Um,
00:43:17.876 -->
00:43:18.896Well, I want a studio.
00:43:18.896 -->
00:43:21.476I think this would save our relationship.
00:43:21.476 -->
00:43:28.012If we just had a studio if someone builds us a studio, set it all up so we could just walk in and start recording without all this tech nonsense.
00:43:28.193 -->
00:43:28.463Yeah.
00:43:28.463 -->
00:43:29.813And a video producer.
00:43:30.052 -->
00:43:30.682A video producer.
00:43:30.682 -->
00:43:31.913I don't wanna do this video stuff.
00:43:31.943 -->
00:43:32.092Okay.
00:43:32.092 -->
00:43:32.233Fine.
00:43:32.257 -->
00:43:38.572So video producer and also I think, yeah, video producer and someone to like make all the short form content and post it everywhere.
00:43:38.572 -->
00:43:38.632Yeah.
00:43:38.632 -->
00:43:40.552Social media manager, content creator.
00:43:41.648 -->
00:43:43.297Someone to do all of the marketing.
00:43:43.353 -->
00:43:44.123Just marketing.
00:43:44.342 -->
00:43:44.882The marketing.
00:43:44.882 -->
00:43:45.282That's the problem.
00:43:45.302 -->
00:43:46.163We can make it marketing.
00:43:46.237 -->
00:43:46.748Yeah, exactly.
00:43:46.748 -->
00:43:47.588We can make it.
00:43:48.068 -->
00:43:48.818We can make it.
00:43:48.907 -->
00:43:49.717What do you mean make it,
00:43:49.748 -->
00:43:52.603We can make this thing, but it's the marketing, the promotion.
00:43:52.603 -->
00:43:53.918Oh, we can make the podcast.
00:43:53.918 -->
00:43:54.188Yeah,
00:43:54.427 -->
00:43:55.387yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.387 -->
00:43:56.438All the audio, the
00:43:56.438 -->
00:43:57.398And we need a studio.
00:43:57.847 -->
00:43:58.538Yeah, we need a
00:43:59.137 -->
00:43:59.887an aesthetic studio.
00:43:59.887 -->
00:44:00.547I can plop down.
00:44:00.547 -->
00:44:01.148Always look good.
00:44:01.148 -->
00:44:02.077It always has good lighting.
00:44:02.077 -->
00:44:04.027We just flick a switch and we're ready to record.
00:44:04.056 -->
00:44:06.976Yeah, that's pretty, we're not asking for much
00:44:07.021 -->
00:44:08.077we're not asking for that much.
00:44:08.467 -->
00:44:08.976Yeah.
00:44:09.007 -->
00:44:09.036Okay.
00:44:09.144 -->
00:44:10.014I think we're done.
00:44:10.644 -->
00:44:11.875We've shared a lot.
00:44:12.181 -->
00:44:13.860this has been incredible.
00:44:14.371 -->
00:44:17.911Now ChatGPT has written us a closing script.
00:44:18.210 -->
00:44:18.601Great.
00:44:18.601 -->
00:44:21.481Do we book end this or do we say something from the heart?
00:44:22.291 -->
00:44:23.190Why not both?
00:44:23.371 -->
00:44:23.670Okay.
00:44:23.670 -->
00:44:24.240So let's start,
00:44:24.246 -->
00:44:24.900Start with the heart.
00:44:25.440 -->
00:44:27.135And then end with okay, the AI slop.
00:44:27.135 -->
00:44:32.101What I wanna say, what I wanna say, I really have to pee now.
00:44:33.121 -->
00:44:39.420What I wanna, what I wanna say is, I mean, we literally would not be here without you guys who are listening right now.
00:44:39.481 -->
00:44:42.360As I said, if no one was listening, I wouldn't even record this podcast.
00:44:42.360 -->
00:44:48.686And this podcast has hopefully been healing in some way for you, but I can tell you for sure, it has been so healing for me.
00:44:48.956 -->
00:44:51.505I'm an outer processor, that's how I get out everything.
00:44:51.505 -->
00:44:54.806I need to process it out loud, and this podcast has allowed me to do that.
00:44:54.806 -->
00:44:55.646I've learned so much.
00:44:55.856 -->
00:44:59.786I've changed and grown so much from when I initially started the podcast.
00:44:59.786 -->
00:45:04.255There are so many things I've learned that have really changed my perspective about math education in general.
00:45:04.615 -->
00:45:14.936I have met so many incredible people, and I'm really, really excited because I just feel like we're only just getting started here, and now that we're a weekly podcast, there's so much we can do.
00:45:14.936 -->
00:45:24.326I can't wait to have so many more conversations, and I'm just feeling really, really grateful that there are so many people out there that care about this topic.
00:45:24.505 -->
00:45:37.646That care about people building better relationships with math, that understand the impact it has on their entire lives, even if they're not in a math centered field, and who are doing this work, who are doing the self work, and who are just fucking listening.
00:45:37.902 -->
00:45:38.423Thank you guys.
00:45:38.423 -->
00:45:39.143Thank you guys so much.
00:45:39.143 -->
00:45:40.704I'm so excited for what's to come.
00:45:40.793 -->
00:45:41.693Like seriously.
00:45:42.233 -->
00:45:48.023We are now gonna read this, this is what ChatGPT called it, inspiring, heart filled outro.
00:45:48.114 -->
00:45:48.204God.
00:45:49.164 -->
00:45:49.253Okay.
00:45:49.253 -->
00:45:49.733Ready?
00:45:50.094 -->
00:45:51.264Okay, so I'm gonna go first.
00:45:51.414 -->
00:45:51.773Okay.
00:45:53.916 -->
00:45:55.565I'm genuinely getting emotional.
00:45:55.596 -->
00:45:56.675100 episodes.
00:45:56.675 -->
00:46:04.295That's 100 conversations about healing, unlearning, laughing, crying, and remembering that math and life don't have to be scary or shame filled.
00:46:04.385 -->
00:46:06.246And you've been with us for all of it.
00:46:06.306 -->
00:46:09.221Thank you for trusting us with your stories and your ears and your time.
00:46:10.516 -->
00:46:11.476Seriously,
00:46:11.746 -->
00:46:13.695Why are you doing it in such a sexy voice.
00:46:13.905 -->
00:46:14.596I'm just,
00:46:14.626 -->
00:46:15.045okay, go.
00:46:16.306 -->
00:46:27.826When we started this, we had no idea if anyone would care, and now we get messages from teachers, parents, leaders, students, adults going back to school, all saying the same thing,
00:46:27.826 -->
00:46:28.005Accurate.
00:46:29.030 -->
00:46:30.471I feel less alone.
00:46:31.431 -->
00:46:33.650Well, that means everything to us.
00:46:33.951 -->
00:46:36.110And the wild thing, we're just getting started.
00:46:36.291 -->
00:46:38.840We have so many ideas, so many guests we still wanna talk to.
00:46:38.840 -->
00:46:40.130So many myths to challenge.
00:46:40.280 -->
00:46:41.661So many healing moments ahead.
00:46:41.871 -->
00:46:44.690Math Therapy is only going deeper, weirder, funnier, wiser from here.
00:46:46.385 -->
00:46:53.615And if you wanna support what we are building, honestly the best thing you can do is share this podcast with one person.
00:46:54.065 -->
00:46:54.846Seriously.
00:46:54.876 -->
00:46:55.266It's true.
00:46:55.356 -->
00:46:57.036That's how shows like this grow.
00:46:57.516 -->
00:46:59.076Text the link to a friend.
00:46:59.465 -->
00:47:01.536Your math department group chat.
00:47:01.896 -->
00:47:05.735Your sister who swears she quote unquote, doesn't do math.
00:47:05.735 -->
00:47:07.536Why did ChatGPT have to gender this?
00:47:07.536 -->
00:47:07.956Vanessa?
00:47:09.096 -->
00:47:09.516Okay.
00:47:09.606 -->
00:47:10.865It doesn't just have to be a sister,
00:47:10.865 -->
00:47:10.956Keep
00:47:10.956 -->
00:47:12.996reading! Whoever.
00:47:13.356 -->
00:47:14.195One person.
00:47:14.525 -->
00:47:14.856Right now
00:47:15.606 -->
00:47:16.715And leave us a review.
00:47:16.715 -->
00:47:19.356Hit follow or subscribe so you don't miss what's coming next.
00:47:19.476 -->
00:47:21.996It takes 10 seconds and it helps us more than you know.
00:47:22.356 -->
00:47:23.315It really actually does.
00:47:23.315 -->
00:47:24.396Guys, this is me just adlibbing.
00:47:24.541 -->
00:47:25.380Oh, now you're adlibbing.
00:47:25.416 -->
00:47:27.666I just, because this is, I really wanna drive this point home.
00:47:27.666 -->
00:47:30.126It's been driven into their skulls.
00:47:30.126 -->
00:47:31.565There you, they're like, we get it.
00:47:32.016 -->
00:47:38.405DM me on Instagram at The Math Guru, or email me at vanessa@themathguru.ca and tell me what this episode brought up for you.
00:47:38.496 -->
00:47:40.596I read every single message.
00:47:41.106 -->
00:47:43.295Thank you for being part of this community.
00:47:43.746 -->
00:47:44.556For real.
00:47:44.976 -->
00:47:45.545We love you.
00:47:48.070 -->
00:47:50.346I could not imagine you ever saying that.
00:47:50.405 -->
00:47:52.775Yeah, and I don't speak in two word sentences.
00:47:52.775 -->
00:47:56.885Cheers to the next a hundred episodes of healing, curiosity, chaos, and math magic.
00:47:57.005 -->
00:47:57.996See you next week.
00:47:59.076 -->
00:48:00.773Okay, so that's the end of the scripted.
00:48:00.802 -->
00:48:00.983Yeah.
00:48:00.983 -->
00:48:03.802And I still dunno how to say bye after a hundred episodes.
00:48:04.043 -->
00:48:04.253So
00:48:04.253 -->
00:48:04.342True.
00:48:04.342 -->
00:48:10.103I would also like to do one more call out, which is to text the podcast and tell me how to end these episodes.
00:48:10.103 -->
00:48:11.543That does not require me saying goodbye.
00:48:12.367 -->
00:48:14.858This is, that's, that's a waste of a call out.
00:48:16.237 -->
00:48:17.648That is a waste of a call out.
00:48:18.338 -->
00:48:18.697Okay.
00:48:18.697 -->
00:48:19.088That's it.
00:48:19.088 -->
00:48:19.657It's a wrap.
00:48:20.318 -->
00:48:21.068That's a wrap.
00:48:21.068 -->
00:48:22.327See you at 200.
00:48:23.108 -->
00:48:24.617No, we'll see you at 101.
00:48:25.027 -->
00:48:27.577Don't wait a hundred more episodes to listen.
00:48:29.003 -->
00:48:30.547Uh, you're math.
00:48:30.547 -->
00:48:31.956Uh, you're mathsplaining to me.
00:48:33.561 -->
00:48:33.981Goodbye.
00:48:35.271 -->
00:48:35.452Okay.
00:48:35.452 -->
00:48:35.931I've gotta pee.
00:48:37.581 -->
00:48:37.731Woo.