Math Therapy's 100th (& most manic) episode!

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Record.
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Okay.
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We are here.
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This is actually insane.
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I don't think I ever thought I would say these words, but we are about to record our hundredth episode of this fucking podcast.
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I don't know why I had to swear.
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It just felt on brand.
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How are you feeling?
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Let's start again.
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Fine.
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Let's keep it in.
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We don't have time for this.
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Okay, everyone.
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I did not ever think I would say these words ever, and here we are, I'm about to say them.
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We are here recording our hundredth episode of the Math Therapy Podcast.
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And as a little treaty treat, I'm gonna be having a conversation.
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Well, David's gonna be having a conversation with me.
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Our producer David will be talking to me about this podcast.
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What we've learned, how we've grown, why we started it, the juicy tea you've never heard before, the behind the scenes stuff, why we're still here, why we're still going, and, Dave, you there?
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Keep going.
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Okay.
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To kick things off, we've already had an argument, so longtime listeners and fans of the podcast will know that this happens basically every episode.
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You just don't get to hear the arguments.
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I'm gonna tell you what we argued about this time, which was that I decided to make things, to expedite things, I would put into ChatGPT, hey, gimme some questions that we can ask for a hundredth episode.
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Now ChatGPT did me one better and it wrote this entire introduction for me.
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Normally I don't like an AI written introduction.
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David fucking hates AI, anything.
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But when I saw this script, I read one sentence and I was like, this is hilarious.
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Does it know us?
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We're not sure.
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And David was like, fine, I'll read the script, as long as we tell listeners that I do not want to read the script, and we are only reading the script to see if ChatGPT is actually a longtime listener and fan.
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Does it know us?
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Does it know what we wanna say?
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That's not the reason we're doing it.
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Why are we doing,
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I was just doing it just in case it might be funny.
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Okay, well, whatever.
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Tomato, potato, tomato, tomato,
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This isn't like an exercise to prove the value of AI.
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Okay.
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Are we ready?
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So we're gonna read it.
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We have not looked at, I've only looked at one sentence.
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David, pull it up.
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It's up?
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And we just have to read it as is.
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Okay.
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We have to read the introduction to the podcast as is.
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Are you ready?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Okay, here we go.
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This is what ChatGPT thinks we would say.
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Okay, David, I need you to confirm something for the record.
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Did we seriously just make 100 episodes of Math Therapy?
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Is that real or am I dreaming inside a fever dream inside a math word problem.
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Hmm.
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Okay.
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Off to a great start.
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Oh, it's real.
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It's so real.
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What, what, what's, did it give you any instruction on how I'm supposed to like read it?
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I told you to take out instructions'cause we can come up with, just keep going, David.
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Should I be reading it like you, the way I think I would read it?
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Yes.
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Or should I should just
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like you would say it.
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Okay.
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Back on script.
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Oh, it's real.
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It's so real.
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I mean, this isn't how I would talk,
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David.
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Oh, it's real.
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It's so real.
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We made it to 100 episodes without getting canceled, sued, or accidentally starting a math cult.
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Honestly, I'm impressed.
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Mostly with us, but also with the listeners for sticking around.
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Right?
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Like you all willingly keep tuning in to hear two grown adults talk about fractions, feelings, and the occasional existential crisis.
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And honestly, that's love, that's community, that's math healing.
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And for this very special episode, we figured let's just, ellipses, talk, period.
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Let's look back.
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Spill the tea.
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Share the chaos.
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Unpack the learning.
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And celebrate the fact that we are somehow still here and still nerdy.
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Yeah.
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Today is part anniversary, part anniversary party, part therapy session, part teacher lounge gossip, part wait did we actually say that on the mic?
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And you, yes, you listening right now, you're invited to all of it.
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Before we jump in, V, do we give them the sharing nudge?
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You know, the classic?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Friends, if you are already smiling or thinking, omg, my teacher bestie slash coworker slash cousin who hates math would love this, pause for literally one second and text this episode to them.
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We'll wait.
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We're not going anywhere.
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We're almost done.
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Keep going.
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Awful.
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Alright, let's do this.
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Episode 100.
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Let's get messy.
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Let's get reflective.
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Let's get another,
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David.
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You don't have to tell them the punctuation.
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Let's get pedagogical.
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David, no one has ever gotten hyped by the word pedagogical.
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Challenge accepted.
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You should put a little like musical flourish in now
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I'll, I'll think about it.
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Okay.
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I think, whatever, that was the intro.
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I think it got some parts like kind of right, but it was like 10%.
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Okay.
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Doesn't matter.
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It was like a,
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you're.
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Also not very good at reading a script.
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I'm a lot better.
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I'm not?
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I was really good.
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I was like, I,
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Excuse me, I won a theater award in OAC.
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I'll have you know.
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Oh my God.
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OAC.
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Yes, I know.
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Americans don't know what that is.
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Canadians do though, maybe.
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Okay, let's go.
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Let's get into the episode.
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Yeah, please.
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Questions.
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Hit me.
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Vanessa.
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A hundred episodes in after starting, when did we, when did you first start it, in 2019?
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We started, 2020 was actually our first season.
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Yeah.
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We did our first interviews.
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Okay.
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In 2020.
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Actually, we might've done them in 2019 and the second season in 2020.
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Hold on, let me pull this up.
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This is great already.
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Let me pull it up.
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I'm gonna checking the very, very back of the thing.
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We started our first episode, October 10th, 2019.
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See, that's why you have to trust a producer.
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Second guessing.
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Okay, 2019.
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My knowledge
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first episode came out October 10th.
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Yeah.
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So, okay.
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Okay.
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So to, if anyone's new to the podcast, Vanessa and her friend Sabina Wex, you two started the podcast.
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Yeah.
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So what was your kernel of, of, uh, spark of uh,
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It was all Sabina.
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This is what happened is I was doing a TV interview with like a reporter, and I, I do this a lot and normally when I'm doing interviews with reporters or I go on the news to talk about something math related.
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The reporter or the host is always like super scared when I get there.
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Like they're like, oh my God.
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Like their math trauma just comes out.
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They're like, they start shuffling their notes.
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'Cause you know, they read their notes last minute, like two minutes before the episode airs, so
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Just like I did before we started recording this.
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Exactly.
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So I'll sit on the couch and they'd be like, all right, Vanessa, The Math, and then they'd all of a sudden be like, oh God.
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Oh my God, I'm so scared of math.
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And I would be like, oh my God.
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So I left yet another interview and Sabina was like, oh my God, these people need Math Therapy.
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And suddenly we were just like, let's start a podcast.
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Hmm.
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The reason I'm not reacting better to that story is because I've heard it a hundred times before, like most stories on here, but I am certain that the listeners will have found that story interesting.
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Yeah.
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We started it because we were like, people need Math Therapy.
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And actually, if you look back at the podcast the first season, there were a couple of educators on there, but that's it.
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Like eight of the 10 guests were not educators.
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They were people like who had their own math trauma or who I like found on Twitter or met at a bar that said they like hated math, or people who had story, like your friend Miguel, who had a story about how he was told he would flip burgers for the rest of his life.
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And like adults that like, were trying to do math again and you know, for the hundredth time when they're 40.
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Like we didn't start with educators, we started with Math Therapy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, we can skip ahead before I forget, because I, that is something I have been curious about.
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How do you feel about how it has changed over the years in recent years, like recent seasons especially, but now that we've gone to a, uh, a weekly podcast, it's still kind of this way except for the last couple episodes where we had, some moms and we had a, a student, which was kind of a break from the, the recent pattern.
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How do you feel about it having moved more towards you interviewing people in the math education community and more getting into the weeds and the podcast becoming kind of more of a teacher-focused audience.
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I look at it as like another chapter.
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Like that was like, you know, a season, like it kind of started a couple of years ago, I would say, where I went to my first NCTM ever, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics Conference.
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It was my first one, I was so inspired by all these educators and I was like, wow, like I wanna talk, you know, every, all these educators are doing such amazing things.
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They're not specifically all talking about math anxiety, but they're talking about instructional practices and pedagogy and grading.
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And I was like, I wanna talk about how those things play into math anxiety, and vice versa.
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But the reason I really wanted to go to a weekly podcast is, it was cool to interview just educators for two seasons, but I think it's so important to the conversation to talk to so many other people.
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Like I think about like our previous seasons when we interviewed like Science Sam, about, uh, stem and science and stereotypes in science.
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Or when we had an astrologer on the podcast talking about the myth that you can either be spiritual or you can be intellectual mathematically.
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Or we talked to, uh, Katie Hafner about the Lost Women of Science and that whole thing of like how stereotypes about gender have impacted women forever.
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Like there are all these like broader issues that really impact our kids in school, and I think it's really important to talk about the stuff going on in schools, but it's also really important to look at the world around them that is shaping kids, shaping parents, shaping our mentality of what math learning means and who belongs to the world of math.
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So I actually feel like it's like I did a hard swing to being like, okay, now we're just gonna talk to educators.
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And now I'm really excited to have time to explore both like the world of the intricate world of education, but also all these other pieces and perspectives that shape math trauma and anxiety and the experiences we have with math.
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So I think now I'm feeling really excited about, like we've got a bunch of really cool episodes coming up with like a neuroscientist that studies gender and brains, you know, with like the Dean of Science at a university who talks about stereotypes around math learning and who's allowed to learn it like, I'm excited to go back to our roots, you know what I mean?
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And just be able to have a lot of a broader lens with which to view math trauma.
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Yeah.
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And going weekly gives you a lot more flexibility in terms of covering different topics.
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Because when we were doing it as a season, then there was this kind of self-imposed pressure to have it all put together as a theme or something.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think too, like.
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I think we get really siloed, like all of us, like not just education, but like when you're in a specific field or like, you know, in a specific community, we are very siloed and you start kind of like thinking everyone thinks like you.
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And I think it's really important for us to be like, Hey, like yeah, we're all in education and we're kind of like in this bubble where we all talk about the same things and like, but our students, the people we serve, do not live in an education bubble.
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Education is one piece of their lives.
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So like, it's actually really, really important to see how every other piece, like all the pieces, like the kaleidoscope of lenses that impacts their math identity, it doesn't just happen in school.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I mean, that was ex very well illustrated by the last two episodes with Cat and Nat and with Taylor.
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Yeah.
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Uh, okay.
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So going, returning to the where we started.
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So, so you and Sabina started the podcast by getting a couple snowball mics and inviting some people over to The Math Guru tutoring center in Toronto, Ontario, Midtown Yonge and Eg.
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Uh,
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Yeah, it was cool.
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We did the whole first season in person.
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So my question is, did you have an overall plan, or were you like, we'll just record these and like, who was gonna edit it?
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Because,'cause I was not there.
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I mean, you've told this story,
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but you must have been who edited the first season.
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Well you've told this story before and then I've corrected like many stories happen.
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Uh, where, uh, you had already recorded a season, And asked me if I wanted to edit them, and I've never done
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That's not possible.
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How did we set up the mics without you?
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Exactly.
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I don't know.
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Let's call Sabina.
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We don't have time for, you just started this
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She's not gonna up the phone
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by saying, let's keep this under 25 minutes.
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Let's, so now you,
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Let's just see if we can call her.
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Do you wanna phone a friend?
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We kind of need to, because we need to, she's not gonna pick up.
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She never, she's actually very disciplined with her phone.
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Like let's just see because I don't know what we're doing.
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Oh, please pick up.
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Please pick up.
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Call has been forwarded to voicemail.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I'm gonna just message her and say.
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Call us if you can, we need you,
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Highly urgent
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on the podcast to fact check how we started this podcast.
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Okay, let's just see.
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Okay.
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While Sabina did not pick up the phone during our recording, she did send us a voice memo afterwards, so I'm gonna play that here because it has some very valuable insights into these mysteries of the very early days of the podcast.
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I don't think that David was involved initially.
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We were like, David's gonna come in after, he's gonna edit all the podcast episodes.
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So no, David was not involved in the initial production, but we always knew we were gonna send him the episodes to edit for later.
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But then we were talking to David, and he kind of threw a bit of a fit, totally fair, to be honest, that he wasn't there to do the audio part of it.
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You know, David, if people don't know, is an incredible audio producer and really cares about small audio things that I would've never known about and that we did not know about in the first season, and I think probably made David's job a lot harder when he was editing the season later.
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So David's like, I need to come in and set up all the audio stuff for you guys to make it sound good.
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And we're like, dude, what are you talking about?
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That's ridiculous.
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It's fine.
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Like, I don't even know how Vanessa and I did it.
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We just kind of were like, let's, uh, plug in some microphones.
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I think I had a snowball mic, you know, a, a podcast mic and Vanessa had one.
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We just plugged it into a computer.
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And people were still coming in in person at this point, we had all the guests come in in person and I remember rolling my eyes and being like, David, stop being ridiculous.
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You know, this isn't a Grateful Dead show or something, like, who cares?
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But David was a hundred percent right.
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The show sounded so much better once he was there.
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And also he was just so helpful to have around and to give us his input.
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You know, David contributes so much to the show in terms of guests and what he thinks we should cut and how we should edit and tell the stories that we tell.
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So it was actually really nice having David there, even though I initially was like, um, I don't think you need to be here.
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So, sorry David.
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You were 100% right and I'm so glad you were involved in the show.
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And our first guest ever who came to record with us was Jonah Babins from season one.
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He's a magician from Toronto, and a math major.
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And I remember he came in and he was like, what are you guys doing?
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He has a successful magic podcast, he was like, you know, you might wanna add some structure to the show.
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You might not just wanna ask random questions.
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And so he was the one who told us to ask two questions always at the end of the interview, the same two questions.
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So that's where we got those two questions, because Jonah Babins was like, you need to do this, it'll add consistency to the show.
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Just make some up and like do it on me right now and you can put it in the end.
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So thank God he was our first guest and that he actually knew what he was doing and could be like, you guys need to clean up your act.
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And then David came in in the second season and was like, you guys need to clean up your act.
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And we're like, okay.
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Fair.
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And I mean they were both really right and it was, you know, obviously fun doing all this stuff kind of on the fly and not knowing anything.
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But it was really nice to have other people tell us how to refine it.
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And obviously, you know, you guys have refined the show even more and more and more, it just sounds better and better every season.
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So congratulations on a hundred episodes.
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I'm so proud of you.
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I'm so honored to have been involved in the show and I still listen to the show.
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Anyways, David, sorry you asked for one to two minutes and here's five.
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Okay.
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Love you guys.
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Bye.
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Okay, so, so from that initial idea that you and Sabina had to start a podcast to talk about this kind of stuff,
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also remember Sabina actually found the first guest, like I had a couple of ideas.
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But Sabina was like constantly like, I mean, she was like finding the coolest people.
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She was like, oh my God, I heard about this woman, Merrit Moore, who's like a famous ballerina and like, a like physicist, like, you know what I mean?
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We had like her on the podcast.
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She was like, oh, I've heard of this guy Ben Zauzmer, who literally does Oscar predictions with statistics.
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Like she would find all the, introduce me to all these cool people and she would get them on the podcast.
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So I actually had not much to do with the guest selection in the beginning.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You were just talent.
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I was just the talent.
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just up strolling in.
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Yap, yap, yap.
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And it was cool to make connections to like how these people felt about math and like a lot of, a lot of my guests had never really thought much about math anxiety, like it opened up these really cool conversations, you know?
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Yeah.
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Like, anyways, okay.
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What was your question?
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I can't remember exactly, but, I, a different question that I had was, do you have a target audience in your mind of what the audience for the podcast would've been back in the day when you started it, what you would like it to be now or going forward.
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Because the way it's kind of gone the last year or two, especially as you've gotten more into going into conferences and talking with other educators and stuff, and especially with your book Math Therapy is targeted to teachers, it seems like the conversations are directed more towards teachers.
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how do you feel about that?
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I am really the type of person that just kind of like goes with the flow of life.
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Sure.
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I really have never had much of a plan for anything.
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I follow my intuition and where things are organically leaning.
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So when we started the podcast, that was definitely not it.
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I, the podcast was really not, it was just for like anyone listening, like I think it was more targeted at like.
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The person who might have a complicated relationship with math.
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And it was really, really cool.
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You know, we got so much feedback because we tried to pitch this podcast to like Netflix and to like networks and every single person would be like, love the concept.
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No one's gonna listen to it.
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If it has the word math in it, people fucking hate math.
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Like, take the word math out of it.
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And we were like, no, that's the whole point.
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Um, might have missed out on a Netflix deal because of that, but whatever.
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Like, it's like
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Still time.
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But we've, it was really cool because.
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All these people were listening to it, not just educators.
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There was no target audience in mind.
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We were just talking about shit.
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Now, an interesting thing that happened that I did not anticipate is when I started doing talks for teachers, people would come up to me and be like, I listen to your podcast.
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And I was like, what?
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Like really?
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And as it turned out, all of these teachers were listening to, to the podcast, but I had not like, expected that or anticipated that.
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The whole point of the podcast is it's people I want to talk to who I find interesting, who I wanna like hear their perspective on something or I wanna ask them questions.
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Like a lot of people, I'm just like, I wanna ask them about this.
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I'll just ask them to come onto the podcast so I can ask them the question.
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So like, no, I know it's important from like a marketing perspective to have a target audience and like.
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Yeah, I think probably now our target audience is educators, right?
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Like anyone in education, like leaders, superintendents, like teachers, tutors, coaches.
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Like that is the audience.
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But I mean, that's another reason I kind of wanna go back to having a more diverse range of guests is like, I hope that the whole point of this podcast is healing, whether you're the listener who's going to heal from listening to it, or whether you're the listener who's going to heal from hearing the conversation we're having, I want there to be more content that someone who's not an educator can listen to, because I think it's really, really important.
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Like there's not many podcasts talking, I don't think there's any podcasts like ours that like has these conversations about math anxiety with like an astrologer, you know, like, so I hope that the audience broadens.
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My goal is to get it in the hands of more of those people'cause they need to hear it.
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But I'm also aware that that's like a slow build.
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It'll land in the hands of those who need it most.
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But I don't have a, plan because I feel like it's like important to like, not force something, but to be organic about it.
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yeah.
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Do whatever you can to get it out there and then your audience will tell you who they are.
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Exactly.
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Tell us who you are, by the way, if you're listening to
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Yeah.
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Text the podcast.
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Text the podcast.
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Text the podcast.
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You can sit it, you can actually find the link in the show notes I'd, I'd actually like to know, if you're listening to this right now, who are you?
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Are you an educator?
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Hmm.
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Tell us who are, who is listening to this fucking podcast.
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Yeah, because I am very curious because I feel like so many of these conversations, a lot of the, the education based ones, like the pedagogy learning methodology stuff is very in the weeds for educators, but there's still in all these conversations you have, is a lot for someone who has a bad relationship with math, there's something for them, but how would they get it?
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Like how would they know to listen?
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Well, but that's why I think it's really important to have guests that people wanna listen to.
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So for example, if I interviewed like Mel Robbins for the podcast.
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Right?
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All of a sudden people who like Mel Robbins or who like self-help would be like, oh, I'm gonna listen to my favorite self-help person on the podcast.
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Then they're in and they're introduced to Math Therapy and they're like, wow, this conversation's really good, maybe I'll listen.
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Like that's why the quality of the guests is so important and why it's important to get the diversity of guests, because like, you might not wanna listen to a podcast about math, but you wanna listen to what Mel Robbins has to say, for example, you know?
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There's so many interesting people out there who theoretically, like from a objective lens or like from a narrow lens or whatever fucking lens, don't have anything to do with math.
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And then once you get into the conversation, everything they're saying has something to do with math and their relationship with math.
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But like, like broadening the guests.
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Mm-hmm.
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So if you're listening to this and you're not, actually if you're an educator or not, who should we have on the podcast is another question.
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I feel like I just wanna ask
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a lot of calls to action.
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Oh, well, because I'm really now curious, it's like we've made a hundred episodes.
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It's because of the people listening and I wanna know who the people listening too are because we actually have no access to those demographics.
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Go to the show notes of whatever app you're using and text us this information.
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Who are you?
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What is your occupation?
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Why are you listening to the podcast?
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Are you an educator?
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Are you a student?
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Are you a parent?
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Like who, who are you?
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Who are you?
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Who are you.
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Should put that song who are you in the background now?
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I think that would require some licensing clearance.
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Next question.
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Okay.
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Let's reflect back on some of some of the highs and lows of the, of the podcast.
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For you,
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low was our episode two weeks ago about the Toronto Blue Jays but the episode itself was amazing recording it was a low.
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Let's start with that.
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Okay.
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Why, why was it so low?
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That was a really tough one.
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We still haven't had our debrief.
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I, I did suggest it's gonna be,
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we're not doing a therapy session on the podcast.
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I don't know.
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I think that's what the people
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No, it was a lo, okay.
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First of all, that was an incredible episode.
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It was about what the Toronto Blue Jays can teach us about math anxiety, basically.
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And it was hard because I was recording it from a hotel room and I wanted to include all these voice notes from our friends and we were having all these technological issues.
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It was 11:00 PM, Mercury,
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And we came up with the idea in like a couple days.
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We, we had like 48 hours, but we were,
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and then I started eating a snack in the middle of it, the, David was super annoyed.
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You could hear me chewing.
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That was totally my fault.
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I mean, by that point I was kind of numb to everything.
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Okay, stop.
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So I didn't even get that upset about the snack I was, it was everything leading up to it that we were both very upset with each other.
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It was, it was tough and everything was fine, and the episode was amazing and I ended up creating an entire talk around it.
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That I've been doing for the past few weeks.
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But,
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you know, uh, what's it, what do you guys, yeah, rupture and repair?
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That's our process
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rupture and repair.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Some highs though.
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Some highs.
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I mean, one of the most memorable episodes ever will be when we interviewed Christopher Havens from jail.
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That was crazy.
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First of all, I'd heard about this guy, he had murdered someone, he was in jail and he was on the news because he had created this thing called the Prison Mathematics Project to help inmates rehabilitate with math.
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And he agreed to be on the podcast and we had to call him in jail.
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And it was like one of those movies, like
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he had a maximum of like 15 minutes at a time.
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And so he had made this system where.
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Uh,'cause I think he had already, he had been in prison for like 15 years at that point or so.
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Yeah, something.
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I'll we'll link in in the show notes to that episode'cause you should check it out.
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'cause it was really fascinating.
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Unbelievable.
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Uh, but yeah, so at this point he had rehabilitated himself and was.
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Was like trying to spread the rehabilitation and, and spread math around and had started this project.
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And so he had done this a little bit, so he had a whole system where he had two other friends in prison that would like line up behind him because you had to take turns at the phone.
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somehow got a phone number because you had to call from, you couldn't zoom or Skype And then he would only have 15 minutes and then we would get interrupted with like an automated voice.
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Like
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You could hear it on the podcast.
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Your call always gonna be intra, and then so his friend would be in line after him so that he could just get back on, call us back or something.
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Yeah, he had to call a number.
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He had to call us, collect.
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Anyways, so that was a really interesting, just from my perspective, cool technical challenge of how do we record this conversation, and putting it together it was really cool.
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Hold on, that episode led us to becoming friends with Christopher Havens.
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Being involved in the Prison Math Project.
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And then I think probably the second craziest episode is when we recorded an episode live after we visited jail to do math on Pi Day with a group of 30 inmates the next year.
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So we went, me Sabina, and David went, to Bellamy Correctional Institute in Michigan.
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We drove there.
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Trying to explain to the customs guy at the border why, by the way we were going over there was tough.
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He almost didn't let us in.
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Like we were like, we were like, it's pi day.
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He's like, like we're, we're just going to like bring some pie day cheer to the inmates.
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And he is like, why?
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Why?
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He's like, why?
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And then yeah, it's like, are you getting paid for this?
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And.
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Is like, no, no, no.
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It's just volunteer.
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And he's like, why?
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He's like, why?
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Why?
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On the way back, by the way though, no one gave a fuck.
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We were like, the customs officer, we were like, so it's pie day because it's March 14th.
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He's like, please move, go.
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Just go back to Canada.
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Anyways, that was such a cool, we went to the prison, we had the most incredible time, I don't wanna give it away, you can listen to the episodes.
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Yeah.
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trip to prison on Pi Day is one of the craziest things I've done in my life.
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Same.
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Same.
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It was so cool.
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It was so, it was honestly, so hopeful, so heartwarming, so amazing.
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Yeah, I'm really thankful for that.
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That never would've happened without the podcast.
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Yeah.
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So a high for sure.
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And although, I mean, I'll just say go, like going back to the blue Jay saying like, we aren't gonna do a full debrief therapy session'cause we're now over the time that you had allotted for us.
00:26:50.029 --> 00:26:53.269
But I knew that that was a pipe dream to actually get this under 25 minutes.
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:53.509
Okay.
00:26:53.509 --> 00:27:10.385
But anyways, I think it is important for, it is important to say, and maybe, and you know, just be vulnerable here on the podcast with the listeners, that, I mean it is just the two of us, so like some, yes, so it is stressful making this thing and I think we should give ourselves grace, namely, you should give me some grace.
00:27:10.806 --> 00:27:16.355
For sometimes getting stressed out, like right now we're recording this in a room that looks like chaos.
00:27:16.536 --> 00:27:17.286
Like we've got,
00:27:17.346 --> 00:27:18.695
We need our own studio.
00:27:18.695 --> 00:27:18.996
I think I wanna manifest that
00:27:18.996 --> 00:27:21.165
Pointing this way in that flotsam and jetsom.
00:27:21.185 --> 00:27:26.496
I've got mics going into who knows what computer with what webcam pointed in which direction.
00:27:27.185 --> 00:27:29.526
Some of us are hydrated, some are not.
00:27:29.526 --> 00:27:31.536
You lit some, was it Palo Santo?
00:27:31.536 --> 00:27:31.986
Was it a,
00:27:31.986 --> 00:27:32.875
it was frankincense
00:27:32.951 --> 00:27:34.145
random tree outside.
00:27:34.736 --> 00:27:39.746
It's like we're just kind of making it up as we go along, which is how we have, have a band as well.
00:27:40.063 --> 00:27:50.951
The point is that and I mean, I was joking before, but about how, because you had referenced in some recent episode the rupture and repair and whatever, and like struggle and what is, it's a productive struggle, all this stuff.
00:27:51.431 --> 00:27:51.911
The point is,
00:27:51.915 --> 00:27:53.201
I don't know that you're using that correctly.
00:27:53.260 --> 00:27:56.076
I'm j, whatever, you know, say, uh, what's, what's, what's
00:27:56.080 --> 00:27:56.935
low floor, high ceiling
00:27:56.935 --> 00:27:57.715
Yeah, low floor, high ceiling,
00:27:57.715 --> 00:27:58.270
open middle
00:27:58.270 --> 00:28:00.070
is this is, yeah.
00:28:00.401 --> 00:28:06.711
The, the point is yeah, we, it sometimes we, we get in a fight and wanna throw it all up.
00:28:06.711 --> 00:28:07.747
Know, does everyone need to hear this?
00:28:09.346 --> 00:28:09.636
Yeah.
00:28:09.906 --> 00:28:11.241
This is not interesting.
00:28:11.451 --> 00:28:11.811
Okay.
00:28:11.872 --> 00:28:14.211
Um, what's another great episode that you remember?
00:28:14.271 --> 00:28:14.511
Okay.
00:28:14.751 --> 00:28:18.442
Um, you know, one that always will stick with me whenever I think about the podcast.
00:28:18.501 --> 00:28:19.412
I think about Bex.
00:28:19.842 --> 00:28:21.281
I'm serious, I always think about her.
00:28:21.461 --> 00:28:23.518
She's this, uh, woman I found on Twitter.
00:28:23.518 --> 00:28:27.478
She had tweeted"the best part of being an adult is being able to opt out of math".
00:28:27.778 --> 00:28:32.998
I just saw the tweet and I messaged her and I was like, come on my podcast, thinking, fuck, this is gonna be wild.
00:28:33.238 --> 00:28:34.738
She showed up with a glass of wine.
00:28:35.153 --> 00:28:36.682
I dunno how many she'd had beforehand.
00:28:36.772 --> 00:28:43.613
She was such a good time and we had the coolest conversation, you know, which really it was like real hardcore Math Therapy.
00:28:43.643 --> 00:28:46.282
'Cause it really started with her just being like, no, I don't care about math.
00:28:46.282 --> 00:28:47.093
Like I can't do it.
00:28:47.093 --> 00:28:47.992
It does not matter.
00:28:48.143 --> 00:28:50.182
And by the end, like.
00:28:50.702 --> 00:28:54.303
It turned out she worked at a bank and I was like, babe, you're doing math all the time.
00:28:54.303 --> 00:28:58.682
And like she started sort of unpacking things that maybe had led to her having this view of math.
00:28:58.772 --> 00:29:00.452
And that was four years ago.
00:29:00.452 --> 00:29:01.803
And we still keep in touch.
00:29:01.803 --> 00:29:07.212
She messaged me literally the other day and she was like, me and my boyfriend are at the pub and we're having an argument about math.
00:29:07.212 --> 00:29:10.242
And like she messaged me and she was like, I think I'm right.
00:29:11.292 --> 00:29:13.032
And I was like, oh my God, you totally are.
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:18.356
And that was like a random tweet on Twitter, and you normally see tweets like that and you're like, Ugh, this is some troll.
00:29:18.356 --> 00:29:21.626
Like, but it's like when someone's tweeting something like that, they have math trauma.
00:29:21.626 --> 00:29:22.467
That's the whole point.
00:29:22.467 --> 00:29:24.386
And we're still like, friends to this day.
00:29:24.386 --> 00:29:25.707
It was just, it was really cool.
00:29:25.886 --> 00:29:26.217
Mm-hmm.
00:29:26.842 --> 00:29:27.892
She was hilarious.
00:29:27.951 --> 00:29:29.362
She's so funny.
00:29:29.422 --> 00:29:39.442
But also there were so many interesting things that she dropped, like so many revelations that would be so interesting for anyone listening.
00:29:39.622 --> 00:29:44.781
Just how she was talking about, especially because she was describing in detail her experience.
00:29:44.781 --> 00:29:47.842
She wasn't just like, math is hard or like I'm stressed about it.
00:29:47.842 --> 00:29:51.402
She was explaining,'cause she was talking about dyscalcula.
00:29:51.416 --> 00:29:51.622
Did she say?
00:29:51.622 --> 00:29:51.832
Yeah,
00:29:51.832 --> 00:29:53.311
she brought up Dyscalcula
00:29:53.377 --> 00:30:03.847
which I, she didn't even know that word for it, but she just knew, she was talking about how like dates would be mixed up right in her mind because just, she would just mix up the numbers
00:30:04.067 --> 00:30:09.377
and how, how it's actually traumatic to not receive a diagnosis and just think there's something wrong with you and you can't do math.
00:30:09.557 --> 00:30:12.617
It was so empowering for her to learn that that's an actual term.
00:30:12.768 --> 00:30:13.488
It's a thing.
00:30:13.488 --> 00:30:16.397
There's, there are resources and solutions.
00:30:16.667 --> 00:30:17.837
It doesn't make you bad at math.
00:30:17.837 --> 00:30:18.738
It's just like a little thing.
00:30:19.038 --> 00:30:19.127
Mm-hmm.
00:30:20.057 --> 00:30:20.778
Not a little thing.
00:30:20.778 --> 00:30:23.858
I don't wanna minimize it, but it's like, it's just like I'm colorblind or something.
00:30:23.858 --> 00:30:23.979
Mm-hmm.
00:30:24.788 --> 00:30:25.088
Yeah.
00:30:25.088 --> 00:30:25.509
If you,
00:30:25.509 --> 00:30:26.183
is it the same kind of.
00:30:26.548 --> 00:30:27.538
I am a little colorblind.
00:30:27.568 --> 00:30:27.929
No, you are.
00:30:27.929 --> 00:30:28.618
That's why I say it.
00:30:28.618 --> 00:30:29.878
I'm like, it's like you're colorblind.
00:30:30.554 --> 00:30:31.259
That doesn't mean like
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:31.419
Yeah.
00:30:31.419 --> 00:30:38.594
I's if like you, it is a, another example where it's like something about you is different from the quote unquote norm.
00:30:38.743 --> 00:30:52.433
Where the majority of society would experience the world in a certain way and you don't, so then you could fit, like I could, there's sometimes where like I feel dumb because someone's like, oh, you can't see the difference between these two colors.
00:30:52.463 --> 00:30:55.729
And I'm like, no, that's just my rods and cones, okay, don't shame me.
00:30:55.729 --> 00:31:01.346
But that's you accessible coloring, for example, now like okay, that's like a little thing that could be a bit of a limitation, but we can deal with it.
00:31:01.411 --> 00:31:01.471
Yeah.
00:31:01.471 --> 00:31:03.361
Sometimes like on Trello for example.
00:31:03.361 --> 00:31:03.421
Yeah.
00:31:03.451 --> 00:31:15.540
Like when we're organizing things by labels, you can have it by colors, but then there is a colorblind assistance option, which will kind of, instead of color coding the labels, it'll pattern code it.
00:31:15.721 --> 00:31:16.050
So it'll have,
00:31:16.050 --> 00:31:22.031
well see, and that's the thing, it's like, because you have to remember when we're talking about stuff like this.
00:31:22.392 --> 00:31:24.162
It's What are you trying to measure?
00:31:24.731 --> 00:31:25.122
You know?
00:31:25.122 --> 00:31:31.602
So it's like, if you think about Trello, it's not that you're bad at organizing something, you just can't see the color.
00:31:31.602 --> 00:31:40.001
So when you have an organized by pattern instead of color, all of a sudden that removes the limitation for you and allows you to do the actual task, which is organizing.
00:31:40.271 --> 00:31:42.971
Sorting by color is not the actual task.
00:31:43.241 --> 00:31:45.551
It's a mechanism by which to get the task done.
00:31:46.771 --> 00:31:47.061
Whoa.
00:31:47.277 --> 00:31:49.582
Sounds like that was, did you rehearse that?
00:31:49.582 --> 00:31:51.567
That was No, I was just, that was a mic drop moment,
00:31:51.567 --> 00:31:52.346
thinking it through.
00:31:52.346 --> 00:31:53.666
It's like the actual goal.
00:31:53.666 --> 00:31:57.477
This is what happens with so many learning differences in disabilities in math.
00:31:57.477 --> 00:32:00.767
It's like the obstacle has nothing to do with the actual task.
00:32:00.836 --> 00:32:03.237
So it's like people are like, oh, don't make accommodations.
00:32:03.237 --> 00:32:10.211
And it's like, by accommodating, we're just allowing the person to do the actual task and not be limited by like the mechanism by which to do the task.
00:32:10.211 --> 00:32:12.612
That has nothing to do with the thing we're trying to measure or teach.
00:32:12.971 --> 00:32:13.602
Snapping.
00:32:13.872 --> 00:32:15.612
Snapping, so I don't clap.
00:32:16.031 --> 00:32:16.332
Okay.
00:32:16.332 --> 00:32:19.721
Let's, we are doing great, but
00:32:19.721 --> 00:32:20.412
we are doing great.
00:32:20.412 --> 00:32:24.041
I feel like we have a manic energy, but I think it's because.
00:32:24.372 --> 00:32:25.271
I have to pee actually.
00:32:25.332 --> 00:32:26.021
I knew it.
00:32:26.021 --> 00:32:29.231
I was gonna, I guess I've seen you like bouncing up and down this whole time.
00:32:29.231 --> 00:32:30.642
I was like, oh God, she's gotta pee.
00:32:31.031 --> 00:32:33.942
I'll share an embarrassing secret about Vanessa.
00:32:34.092 --> 00:32:35.652
That's completely absurd.
00:32:35.682 --> 00:32:36.251
What?
00:32:36.342 --> 00:32:51.580
Which is, here's some behi, the behind the scenes often during interviews, Vanessa will intentionally not go pee because, for some reason she's like having, the having to pee.
00:32:51.641 --> 00:32:51.911
Yeah.
00:32:51.971 --> 00:32:52.750
Gives her,
00:32:52.750 --> 00:32:53.445
gives energy.
00:32:53.861 --> 00:32:56.201
Energy to do the task ahead.
00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:57.851
I do it when I record a vocal take too.
00:32:57.851 --> 00:32:59.590
When we're recording an album, I always wanna like,
00:32:59.590 --> 00:33:04.030
oh, that I am aware of and that grinds me gears.
00:33:04.451 --> 00:33:04.510
Why?
00:33:04.540 --> 00:33:07.810
Because then you're like jumping up and down and you're always wearing something jingly too.
00:33:07.810 --> 00:33:09.820
So then that's not very good in a recording studio.
00:33:09.820 --> 00:33:10.570
I think it's helping.
00:33:10.570 --> 00:33:11.951
It's helping this episode.
00:33:11.980 --> 00:33:12.161
It's like,
00:33:12.221 --> 00:33:13.990
no, it's making me manic.
00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:15.280
'cause you're like hopping up and down.
00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:15.671
I can tell.
00:33:15.671 --> 00:33:16.270
You have to pee.
00:33:16.270 --> 00:33:18.941
And then it's like all of a sudden I have to pee, but I don't have to pee.
00:33:18.941 --> 00:33:19.685
I just feel like, okay,
00:33:19.685 --> 00:33:20.381
let's, no one needs,
00:33:20.381 --> 00:33:21.401
my soul has to pee.
00:33:21.431 --> 00:33:25.121
Okay, let's go, I think we should move into the final chunk.
00:33:25.181 --> 00:33:25.451
What?
00:33:25.451 --> 00:33:25.931
What are you doing?
00:33:25.990 --> 00:33:26.980
No, I just had an idea.
00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:29.046
I was gonna say,'cause yeah, we can move into.
00:33:29.756 --> 00:33:30.566
No, don't pee.
00:33:30.566 --> 00:33:34.435
You're, you're, you've got, let's just ride this manic energy until we we're finished.
00:33:34.482 --> 00:33:38.066
I was going to read a piece of fan mail
00:33:38.155 --> 00:33:38.455
Oh.
00:33:38.486 --> 00:33:41.425
That we did receive when someone in fact did text the podcast.
00:33:41.425 --> 00:33:47.050
So just in case you are constantly hearing us say, text the podcast, text the podcast, and you're like, nah, nah.
00:33:47.631 --> 00:33:47.931
Do it.
00:33:47.931 --> 00:33:48.836
We'll just, yeah.
00:33:48.836 --> 00:33:49.526
Just to let you know.
00:33:49.526 --> 00:33:51.685
Some people do and it really warms our hearts.
00:33:51.715 --> 00:33:54.236
Okay, so here's an example we received from Phoenix, Arizona.
00:33:54.921 --> 00:33:55.911
That's as much as we get.
00:33:55.911 --> 00:33:56.721
We, I don't have a name.
00:33:56.721 --> 00:33:58.701
Yeah, we don't see your name, but that's also fine.
00:33:58.790 --> 00:33:59.661
Can tell us your name?
00:33:59.990 --> 00:34:00.921
Whoa.
00:34:02.006 --> 00:34:02.296
Okay.
00:34:03.621 --> 00:34:05.330
Uh, Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:05.361 --> 00:34:08.751
Miscellaneous person says, I just listened to the new newest episode.
00:34:08.751 --> 00:34:10.521
I'm excited you're moving to a weekly format.
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.731
Also, I am immediately texted the episode link to a fifth grade teacher I'm working with.
00:34:16.391 --> 00:34:17.030
Understand the assignment.
00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:19.210
The main, I wanted to say this, read this out.
00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:19.451
Okay.
00:34:19.630 --> 00:34:22.150
This, this teacher back to Phoenix, Arizona.
00:34:22.481 --> 00:34:27.960
This teacher wants to change the mindset of her students, and I had already sent her some Jo Boaler videos.
00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:29.181
Shout out Jo Boaler
00:34:29.231 --> 00:34:29.710
Love her.
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:39.130
Uh, however, this episode of your podcast hit home a very important part of mindset, and that is how we can reduce or increase our students' math anxiety without even realizing.
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:39.795
Thank you for this episode.
00:34:41.110 --> 00:34:41.650
Isn't that lovely?
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:42.010
Yeah.
00:34:42.010 --> 00:34:44.650
Vanessa, do other messages?
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.911
Uh, they can be general off the top of your mind or if you happen to have written any down somewhere.
00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:55.617
Does anything come to mind of feedback you've gotten or maybe like when you've been at conferences, meeting teachers and listeners.
00:34:55.617 --> 00:34:58.393
Like what kind of feedback have you gotten that's really affected you?
00:34:59.141 --> 00:35:05.092
I was stunned at first that teachers listened to it and then I've had so many teachers say, you know, this has really changed my practice.
00:35:05.092 --> 00:35:08.572
Like this has really made me see math anxiety in a new way.
00:35:08.782 --> 00:35:14.452
I didn't understand it before, or I've never experienced it, it really helped me like get the student perspective.
00:35:14.692 --> 00:35:30.016
Or like one of my favorites when teachers, and non-teachers are like, it's really made me feel seen, like, oh my God, I never realized that like, I had experienced math trauma and this just really validated the way I've been feeling and provided like solutions and strategies.
00:35:30.226 --> 00:35:34.306
I've had several adults text the podcast and be like, this has inspired me to try math again.
00:35:34.755 --> 00:35:39.469
So that type of feedback is so meaningful and so important.
00:35:40.333 --> 00:35:43.873
I also love when people like weigh into the conversations.
00:35:43.873 --> 00:35:47.233
Like they've actually listened to it and they're like, hold on, I've got something I wanna say about this.
00:35:47.233 --> 00:35:50.864
Or like, they leave me a voice note and they're like, wait a second, I wanna argue with this point.
00:35:50.864 --> 00:35:57.134
Or like, and to add on to this, like, I think it just adds to the fact that like, it really is, like, as a community, we're stronger, right?
00:35:57.186 --> 00:35:58.784
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
00:35:58.905 --> 00:35:59.445
It's like.
00:36:00.195 --> 00:36:07.065
We have, when we put all the perspectives together, it's like that's when we come up with like the best solutions and understand the problem from all the perspectives.
00:36:07.065 --> 00:36:24.704
So all that to say, yeah, like the feedback I get of people feeling seen and validated and being able to put a name to something they're experiencing, feeling less alone, like feeling like they've gotten inspired and feel more hopeful about their ability to build a better relationship with math, like that means everything.
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:25.005
Yeah.
00:36:25.085 --> 00:36:45.000
And whenever you share, a piece of feedback that like someone's emailed you or sent you a text or something, talking about how much an episode or your work has meant for them, it's so cool to see and it makes the work that we do on this podcast or, or working on your other stuff, it makes it all feel so much more worthwhile.
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.619
And also, yeah, there's the connection.
00:36:46.949 --> 00:36:53.739
'Cause it's just like with our band, like we make stuff and put it out there, you don't know what effect it's having.
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.684
You don't know if anyone's listening, if they care about it.
00:36:56.684 --> 00:37:12.722
And then when you hear it's actually really connected someone then that makes you feel, even if I've never met some person who's sending you this feedback, it's so cool to know that the work that we've done has reached someone and has made their life a little bit better.
00:37:14.311 --> 00:37:20.731
And that makes us feel like we're more connected to kind of a, a community in the actual world.
00:37:20.762 --> 00:37:20.882
Yeah.
00:37:20.882 --> 00:37:24.661
Like imagine this is like, I'm just thinking this is like, we always have this conversation with our music.
00:37:24.661 --> 00:37:28.202
It's like when you make art, you make it because it's like catharsis.
00:37:28.262 --> 00:37:30.811
know, we have this creative outlet and something needs to come out of us.
00:37:31.112 --> 00:37:37.351
But like, would you record an album, if, if, this is like a tree falls in the forest thing, right?
00:37:37.351 --> 00:37:41.041
Like would you record an album if you knew no one was gonna listen to it?
00:37:41.161 --> 00:37:46.711
Would we record a podcast if we knew for a fact it would be impossible for anyone to listen to it?
00:37:48.391 --> 00:37:48.992
No.
00:37:49.532 --> 00:37:49.802
Yeah.
00:37:49.802 --> 00:37:50.311
No, no,
00:37:50.371 --> 00:37:50.612
No.
00:37:50.702 --> 00:37:50.942
Right.
00:37:51.032 --> 00:38:04.695
Even though it's like it is a creative outlet and like outer processing is so cathartic and like it's nice to get this stuff out, but it's like when we play a show at to an empty room, which we've done many times, versus a room with people in it, if there is an energy exchange.
00:38:05.076 --> 00:38:09.695
And like that's what happens when you are teaching a class or when you're in a student in a class.
00:38:09.695 --> 00:38:13.331
Like you cannot take away the aspect of co-creation.
00:38:13.331 --> 00:38:16.001
Like we are co-creating our experience on the planet together.
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:18.760
We are co-creating mathematical experiences together.
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:19.210
So,
00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:25.811
So it's time to announce that Math Therapy, the podcast is going on tour hitting an arena near you.
00:38:25.811 --> 00:38:26.050
No.
00:38:26.110 --> 00:38:26.411
Okay.
00:38:26.411 --> 00:38:33.070
So let's, let's wrap up with talking with some future talk like, Ooh, who is our dream guest that we still haven't had?
00:38:33.251 --> 00:38:33.880
Hmm.
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:34.780
Who would it be?
00:38:35.771 --> 00:38:36.041
Okay.
00:38:36.041 --> 00:38:37.360
Well, obviously we know the answer.
00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:39.550
Keanu Reeves.
00:38:40.641 --> 00:38:41.150
Sure.
00:38:41.240 --> 00:38:42.920
Like obviously that would be number one.
00:38:43.101 --> 00:38:44.811
If I was gonna be like, what is my goal?
00:38:45.021 --> 00:38:46.221
It'd be Keanu Reeves.
00:38:46.275 --> 00:38:51.898
he's like your, Obama of, if this was Marc Maron's, WTF.
00:38:52.318 --> 00:38:53.452
Does anyone know what that is?
00:38:53.652 --> 00:38:54.597
This is a deep cut.
00:38:54.597 --> 00:38:55.407
It's so deep.
00:38:55.947 --> 00:39:00.027
He, well, me, Marc Maron just ended his podcast and Obama was his last
00:39:00.027 --> 00:39:00.418
shut up,
00:39:01.197 --> 00:39:01.978
his last interview.
00:39:02.007 --> 00:39:03.387
That's unbelievable.
00:39:03.447 --> 00:39:04.557
He had been on it before.
00:39:04.557 --> 00:39:04.568
Oh.
00:39:05.713 --> 00:39:07.032
This is even more unbelievable.
00:39:07.182 --> 00:39:07.302
Okay.
00:39:07.302 --> 00:39:07.393
Well,
00:39:07.393 --> 00:39:11.052
so basically you, so ke Keanu Reeves is your Obama.
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Yeah.
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Said number one.
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Number two would be Taylor Swift.
00:39:13.813 --> 00:39:14.202
Oh wow.
00:39:14.262 --> 00:39:18.853
I actually wanna talk, I mean, she, she has said that she loves numerology and numbers.
00:39:18.853 --> 00:39:18.943
Mm-hmm.
00:39:18.943 --> 00:39:24.492
And that was like such a big like thing, I think a, I'd love to interview Taylor Swift to talk, what?
00:39:24.612 --> 00:39:32.293
Well, so no, I do think before Taylor like, sure, Taylor would be great for publicity, but I feel like Paris Hilton is still,
00:39:32.322 --> 00:39:32.952
oh my God.
00:39:32.952 --> 00:39:33.342
Oh my God.
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I'm sorry.
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Paris Hilton.
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Hundred percent number two.
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Yeah.
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'cause she's like really was, was into the math
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and that, she wasn't into math.
00:39:41.592 --> 00:39:43.302
Didn't she get into, she
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She was the to she was the title of my thesis.
00:39:45.913 --> 00:39:46.333
No, I know.
00:39:46.333 --> 00:39:46.693
But then
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Imagining a World Where Paris Hilton Loves Math.
00:39:48.853 --> 00:39:56.952
She, to me, the thing I wanna talk to her about is the idea of influence and media representation on.
00:39:57.211 --> 00:40:03.931
specifically girls' perception of whether or not math is something that's for them and her whole,"that's hot" thing.
00:40:03.931 --> 00:40:08.911
All this stuff around, like, people talk about like, she plays dumb, but she's actually really, really smart.
00:40:08.911 --> 00:40:21.186
That's more what I'm thinking because I, I, because remember we watched that documentary a few years ago, she was well, but I think it was, maybe it's just more, I've gotta look this up at to remind myself, but I think it was, yeah, more just the fact that she was really dumbing herself down.
00:40:21.186 --> 00:40:21.606
Yeah, that's what it was.
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But actually is very intelligent, apparently, and like a really like now successful business person.
00:40:28.266 --> 00:40:30.036
That's what I wanna talk to her about because it's like,
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which requires math.
00:40:31.219 --> 00:40:31.610
Exactly.
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I really wanna talk to her about that.
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Especially because she was the topic of my whole thesis.
00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:35.489
Yeah, exactly.
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Yes.
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Like, okay, so a hundred percent.
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Keanu Reeves, Paris Hilton, Taylor Swift.
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I always thought
00:40:40.255 --> 00:40:40.856
Mel Robbins.
00:40:41.135 --> 00:40:43.746
I think Mel Robbins, we actually, I wanna be interviewed by Mel.
00:40:43.746 --> 00:40:43.947
Yeah.
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You wanna be on Mel's podcast.
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That's what I would like.
00:40:46.056 --> 00:40:47.856
I actually think that'd be incredible.
00:40:47.856 --> 00:40:48.652
But no, I think it's,
00:40:48.771 --> 00:40:52.117
I always thought that it, I think we were talking about this with Sabina back in the day.
00:40:52.987 --> 00:40:57.967
But I've always thought it would be cool to interview David Suzuki because
00:40:58.266 --> 00:40:59.527
we could probably interview him.
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I think we tried and it didn't really work.
00:41:01.447 --> 00:41:01.597
What?
00:41:01.597 --> 00:41:02.646
Lemme check my emails.
00:41:02.827 --> 00:41:03.697
Check your email.
00:41:03.697 --> 00:41:08.706
Did David Suzuki, are you gonna find in your, in your inbox deep buried from a few years ago?
00:41:08.887 --> 00:41:10.416
Suzuki, how do I spell that?
00:41:10.597 --> 00:41:14.137
Uh, S-U-Z-U-K-I.
00:41:15.496 --> 00:41:17.572
Maybe this is not what we should be recording.
00:41:17.572 --> 00:41:17.811
Okay.
00:41:17.817 --> 00:41:19.097
What do you wanna interview him about?
00:41:19.101 --> 00:41:28.336
I was, I just always thought that he would be very interesting because his career was based around science communication and so
00:41:28.396 --> 00:41:28.907
He's Canadian.
00:41:28.907 --> 00:41:30.496
Like I ran into him once.
00:41:30.947 --> 00:41:31.876
He's a legend.
00:41:32.344 --> 00:41:39.871
The problem is that at this point in, in his career, he's like really pissed off at everyone for not having heeded all of his advice.
00:41:39.871 --> 00:41:42.775
So now he's just like, well, you guys are all like you guys fucked yourself.
00:41:42.775 --> 00:41:44.400
That's like some good energy to have on the pod.
00:41:44.701 --> 00:41:46.351
That would really match your
00:41:46.351 --> 00:41:46.860
Should I email?
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:48.210
I mean, we can put him on the list.
00:41:48.331 --> 00:41:48.570
Yeah.
00:41:48.570 --> 00:41:55.501
I think it'd be cool for you to talk to him just about how do we, but he has gotten pretty cynical because he's like spent his entire life trying.
00:41:55.501 --> 00:41:57.960
I could really jive with some cynical energy.
00:41:58.755 --> 00:41:59.295
Let's do it.
00:41:59.356 --> 00:41:59.686
All right.
00:41:59.686 --> 00:41:59.896
Suzuki,
00:41:59.990 --> 00:42:05.769
I feel like Steve Leinwand is the Su, the David Suzuki of math, and we're gonna have Steve Leinwand on the podcast and you're gonna be obsessed with him.
00:42:05.949 --> 00:42:06.699
Oh, great.
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:12.670
Like it's already cynical, but he's like, I think he's also like, guys get it the fuck together.
00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:13.360
You know what I mean?
00:42:13.389 --> 00:42:21.550
Not to speak for you, Steve, I'd love to have you on the podcast, but like I've seen him talk and he's just like, says it as it is and he is kind of like, no bullshit.
00:42:21.550 --> 00:42:25.934
I feel like that's, I don't know Steve Leinwand's mad that no one's heated his advice.
00:42:25.934 --> 00:42:26.715
I don't think so.
00:42:27.585 --> 00:42:34.003
I am tuning out and getting bored, so I can only imagine how our, our listeners feel.
00:42:34.094 --> 00:42:34.333
Okay, fine.
00:42:34.333 --> 00:42:34.603
Fine.
00:42:34.693 --> 00:42:37.213
How were you planning to wrap this up with another,
00:42:37.213 --> 00:42:40.543
okay, so you stop at David Suzuki, take out the Steve Linewand stuff, and I'm gonna say
00:42:40.543 --> 00:42:41.204
I'm the editor.
00:42:41.233 --> 00:42:41.563
Okay.
00:42:41.653 --> 00:42:43.184
Don't tell me you had to chop this up.
00:42:44.173 --> 00:42:45.793
Um, I think, I think that's it.
00:42:45.813 --> 00:42:47.561
Oh, one question I have for you.
00:42:47.561 --> 00:42:47.831
Okay.
00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:50.501
If the podcast had an unlimited budget.
00:42:50.626 --> 00:42:54.675
This is us lowkey saying we are now gonna be looking for sponsors for the podcast.
00:42:54.675 --> 00:43:01.456
So if you're listening and you would like your company to sponsor the pod, this is your moment to fucking text the podcast.
00:43:03.016 --> 00:43:03.766
Actually email me.
00:43:03.795 --> 00:43:04.096
That's probably
00:43:04.096 --> 00:43:09.646
You want an advertiser to propose a partnership, brand partnership by texting us,
00:43:09.675 --> 00:43:10.346
vanessa at themathguru dot ca
00:43:10.365 --> 00:43:12.045
There's a character limit in those texts.
00:43:12.135 --> 00:43:12.496
Okay.
00:43:12.945 --> 00:43:14.990
If we had unlimited budget, what would we do?
00:43:17.215 --> 00:43:17.786
Oh goodness.
00:43:17.786 --> 00:43:17.846
Um,
00:43:17.876 --> 00:43:18.896
Well, I want a studio.
00:43:18.896 --> 00:43:21.476
I think this would save our relationship.
00:43:21.476 --> 00:43:28.012
If we just had a studio if someone builds us a studio, set it all up so we could just walk in and start recording without all this tech nonsense.
00:43:28.193 --> 00:43:28.463
Yeah.
00:43:28.463 --> 00:43:29.813
And a video producer.
00:43:30.052 --> 00:43:30.682
A video producer.
00:43:30.682 --> 00:43:31.913
I don't wanna do this video stuff.
00:43:31.943 --> 00:43:32.092
Okay.
00:43:32.092 --> 00:43:32.233
Fine.
00:43:32.257 --> 00:43:38.572
So video producer and also I think, yeah, video producer and someone to like make all the short form content and post it everywhere.
00:43:38.572 --> 00:43:38.632
Yeah.
00:43:38.632 --> 00:43:40.552
Social media manager, content creator.
00:43:41.648 --> 00:43:43.297
Someone to do all of the marketing.
00:43:43.353 --> 00:43:44.123
Just marketing.
00:43:44.342 --> 00:43:44.882
The marketing.
00:43:44.882 --> 00:43:45.282
That's the problem.
00:43:45.302 --> 00:43:46.163
We can make it marketing.
00:43:46.237 --> 00:43:46.748
Yeah, exactly.
00:43:46.748 --> 00:43:47.588
We can make it.
00:43:48.068 --> 00:43:48.818
We can make it.
00:43:48.907 --> 00:43:49.717
What do you mean make it,
00:43:49.748 --> 00:43:52.603
We can make this thing, but it's the marketing, the promotion.
00:43:52.603 --> 00:43:53.918
Oh, we can make the podcast.
00:43:53.918 --> 00:43:54.188
Yeah,
00:43:54.427 --> 00:43:55.387
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.387 --> 00:43:56.438
All the audio, the
00:43:56.438 --> 00:43:57.398
And we need a studio.
00:43:57.847 --> 00:43:58.538
Yeah, we need a
00:43:59.137 --> 00:43:59.887
an aesthetic studio.
00:43:59.887 --> 00:44:00.547
I can plop down.
00:44:00.547 --> 00:44:01.148
Always look good.
00:44:01.148 --> 00:44:02.077
It always has good lighting.
00:44:02.077 --> 00:44:04.027
We just flick a switch and we're ready to record.
00:44:04.056 --> 00:44:06.976
Yeah, that's pretty, we're not asking for much
00:44:07.021 --> 00:44:08.077
we're not asking for that much.
00:44:08.467 --> 00:44:08.976
Yeah.
00:44:09.007 --> 00:44:09.036
Okay.
00:44:09.144 --> 00:44:10.014
I think we're done.
00:44:10.644 --> 00:44:11.875
We've shared a lot.
00:44:12.181 --> 00:44:13.860
this has been incredible.
00:44:14.371 --> 00:44:17.911
Now ChatGPT has written us a closing script.
00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:18.601
Great.
00:44:18.601 --> 00:44:21.481
Do we book end this or do we say something from the heart?
00:44:22.291 --> 00:44:23.190
Why not both?
00:44:23.371 --> 00:44:23.670
Okay.
00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:24.240
So let's start,
00:44:24.246 --> 00:44:24.900
Start with the heart.
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.135
And then end with okay, the AI slop.
00:44:27.135 --> 00:44:32.101
What I wanna say, what I wanna say, I really have to pee now.
00:44:33.121 --> 00:44:39.420
What I wanna, what I wanna say is, I mean, we literally would not be here without you guys who are listening right now.
00:44:39.481 --> 00:44:42.360
As I said, if no one was listening, I wouldn't even record this podcast.
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:48.686
And this podcast has hopefully been healing in some way for you, but I can tell you for sure, it has been so healing for me.
00:44:48.956 --> 00:44:51.505
I'm an outer processor, that's how I get out everything.
00:44:51.505 --> 00:44:54.806
I need to process it out loud, and this podcast has allowed me to do that.
00:44:54.806 --> 00:44:55.646
I've learned so much.
00:44:55.856 --> 00:44:59.786
I've changed and grown so much from when I initially started the podcast.
00:44:59.786 --> 00:45:04.255
There are so many things I've learned that have really changed my perspective about math education in general.
00:45:04.615 --> 00:45:14.936
I have met so many incredible people, and I'm really, really excited because I just feel like we're only just getting started here, and now that we're a weekly podcast, there's so much we can do.
00:45:14.936 --> 00:45:24.326
I can't wait to have so many more conversations, and I'm just feeling really, really grateful that there are so many people out there that care about this topic.
00:45:24.505 --> 00:45:37.646
That care about people building better relationships with math, that understand the impact it has on their entire lives, even if they're not in a math centered field, and who are doing this work, who are doing the self work, and who are just fucking listening.
00:45:37.902 --> 00:45:38.423
Thank you guys.
00:45:38.423 --> 00:45:39.143
Thank you guys so much.
00:45:39.143 --> 00:45:40.704
I'm so excited for what's to come.
00:45:40.793 --> 00:45:41.693
Like seriously.
00:45:42.233 --> 00:45:48.023
We are now gonna read this, this is what ChatGPT called it, inspiring, heart filled outro.
00:45:48.114 --> 00:45:48.204
God.
00:45:49.164 --> 00:45:49.253
Okay.
00:45:49.253 --> 00:45:49.733
Ready?
00:45:50.094 --> 00:45:51.264
Okay, so I'm gonna go first.
00:45:51.414 --> 00:45:51.773
Okay.
00:45:53.916 --> 00:45:55.565
I'm genuinely getting emotional.
00:45:55.596 --> 00:45:56.675
100 episodes.
00:45:56.675 --> 00:46:04.295
That's 100 conversations about healing, unlearning, laughing, crying, and remembering that math and life don't have to be scary or shame filled.
00:46:04.385 --> 00:46:06.246
And you've been with us for all of it.
00:46:06.306 --> 00:46:09.221
Thank you for trusting us with your stories and your ears and your time.
00:46:10.516 --> 00:46:11.476
Seriously,
00:46:11.746 --> 00:46:13.695
Why are you doing it in such a sexy voice.
00:46:13.905 --> 00:46:14.596
I'm just,
00:46:14.626 --> 00:46:15.045
okay, go.
00:46:16.306 --> 00:46:27.826
When we started this, we had no idea if anyone would care, and now we get messages from teachers, parents, leaders, students, adults going back to school, all saying the same thing,
00:46:27.826 --> 00:46:28.005
Accurate.
00:46:29.030 --> 00:46:30.471
I feel less alone.
00:46:31.431 --> 00:46:33.650
Well, that means everything to us.
00:46:33.951 --> 00:46:36.110
And the wild thing, we're just getting started.
00:46:36.291 --> 00:46:38.840
We have so many ideas, so many guests we still wanna talk to.
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:40.130
So many myths to challenge.
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:41.661
So many healing moments ahead.
00:46:41.871 --> 00:46:44.690
Math Therapy is only going deeper, weirder, funnier, wiser from here.
00:46:46.385 --> 00:46:53.615
And if you wanna support what we are building, honestly the best thing you can do is share this podcast with one person.
00:46:54.065 --> 00:46:54.846
Seriously.
00:46:54.876 --> 00:46:55.266
It's true.
00:46:55.356 --> 00:46:57.036
That's how shows like this grow.
00:46:57.516 --> 00:46:59.076
Text the link to a friend.
00:46:59.465 --> 00:47:01.536
Your math department group chat.
00:47:01.896 --> 00:47:05.735
Your sister who swears she quote unquote, doesn't do math.
00:47:05.735 --> 00:47:07.536
Why did ChatGPT have to gender this?
00:47:07.536 --> 00:47:07.956
Vanessa?
00:47:09.096 --> 00:47:09.516
Okay.
00:47:09.606 --> 00:47:10.865
It doesn't just have to be a sister,
00:47:10.865 --> 00:47:10.956
Keep
00:47:10.956 --> 00:47:12.996
reading! Whoever.
00:47:13.356 --> 00:47:14.195
One person.
00:47:14.525 --> 00:47:14.856
Right now
00:47:15.606 --> 00:47:16.715
And leave us a review.
00:47:16.715 --> 00:47:19.356
Hit follow or subscribe so you don't miss what's coming next.
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It takes 10 seconds and it helps us more than you know.
00:47:22.356 --> 00:47:23.315
It really actually does.
00:47:23.315 --> 00:47:24.396
Guys, this is me just adlibbing.
00:47:24.541 --> 00:47:25.380
Oh, now you're adlibbing.
00:47:25.416 --> 00:47:27.666
I just, because this is, I really wanna drive this point home.
00:47:27.666 --> 00:47:30.126
It's been driven into their skulls.
00:47:30.126 --> 00:47:31.565
There you, they're like, we get it.
00:47:32.016 --> 00:47:38.405
DM me on Instagram at The Math Guru, or email me at vanessa@themathguru.ca and tell me what this episode brought up for you.
00:47:38.496 --> 00:47:40.596
I read every single message.
00:47:41.106 --> 00:47:43.295
Thank you for being part of this community.
00:47:43.746 --> 00:47:44.556
For real.
00:47:44.976 --> 00:47:45.545
We love you.
00:47:48.070 --> 00:47:50.346
I could not imagine you ever saying that.
00:47:50.405 --> 00:47:52.775
Yeah, and I don't speak in two word sentences.
00:47:52.775 --> 00:47:56.885
Cheers to the next a hundred episodes of healing, curiosity, chaos, and math magic.
00:47:57.005 --> 00:47:57.996
See you next week.
00:47:59.076 --> 00:48:00.773
Okay, so that's the end of the scripted.
00:48:00.802 --> 00:48:00.983
Yeah.
00:48:00.983 --> 00:48:03.802
And I still dunno how to say bye after a hundred episodes.
00:48:04.043 --> 00:48:04.253
So
00:48:04.253 --> 00:48:04.342
True.
00:48:04.342 --> 00:48:10.103
I would also like to do one more call out, which is to text the podcast and tell me how to end these episodes.
00:48:10.103 --> 00:48:11.543
That does not require me saying goodbye.
00:48:12.367 --> 00:48:14.858
This is, that's, that's a waste of a call out.
00:48:16.237 --> 00:48:17.648
That is a waste of a call out.
00:48:18.338 --> 00:48:18.697
Okay.
00:48:18.697 --> 00:48:19.088
That's it.
00:48:19.088 --> 00:48:19.657
It's a wrap.
00:48:20.318 --> 00:48:21.068
That's a wrap.
00:48:21.068 --> 00:48:22.327
See you at 200.
00:48:23.108 --> 00:48:24.617
No, we'll see you at 101.
00:48:25.027 --> 00:48:27.577
Don't wait a hundred more episodes to listen.
00:48:29.003 --> 00:48:30.547
Uh, you're math.
00:48:30.547 --> 00:48:31.956
Uh, you're mathsplaining to me.
00:48:33.561 --> 00:48:33.981
Goodbye.
00:48:35.271 --> 00:48:35.452
Okay.
00:48:35.452 --> 00:48:35.931
I've gotta pee.
00:48:37.581 --> 00:48:37.731
Woo.