MVP Explains Why He Will Never Give The Great Khali His Flowers (EP. 75)

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't, I can't man, the not-so-great colleague, I ain't know he'll give him no flowers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told him to serve at the time, undertaker was playing around and cupped the back of his heel, and he almost fell, and the set of Santa Tyson Furious said he'd be Francis and Ghana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I came back, this was, who the hell is this Francis guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the day and nothing down there is a holler to the world I'm not the way I live and love the goods and not the girls I'm the parties and the club, no but mama's and I comes So the German engineer is sent on deep-ish guns I know the tour around the world and saying the fans I look wanted to take him to pick a chicken head Every day for me's in noise to crack it up and find a pearl I love the way I'm having this what I holler to the world How you doing today, brother?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hang in in there, man
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hanging in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exhausted, that's the word of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exhausted, literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, man, this is episode three, plus the Patreon and other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have a flu straight in from doing collision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a early flight almost no sleep last night and I'm pushing through a little pushing through, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mel, what happened to your, your plans to do a bar here in Houston, a wrestling theme bar?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a shelf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that I still would like to do, but I never wanted to do a wrestling theme bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to do a bar owned by a professional wrestling in ten four, ten four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still in the back of my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still got some ideas, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was always like a retirement idea, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're getting close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you say that, but I understand that, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Being a close man, but yeah, it's still something I've thought about something that's still rolling around back there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Houston, not Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Houston, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, I'm stuck here until VIP's 18.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, yeah, right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not leaving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not leaving Houston for a little while still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the IP turns 12.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two weeks next week, I couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when you found out that he was on the way, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe it's been that long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 12 years, man, I got a preteen on my ass, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, that'd be a adjustment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be a carefree, single bachelor, you know, to be in dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, dad, hey, daddy, all man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you know, very well, you're a girl that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I remember a long time ago to do the West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you make it do it, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said that he used to go around this girl's house looking for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one day he finally got there and they were talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that showed up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, skip, why are you on top to me die?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you on top to me die?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's cut through the usual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a little bad turn, you know, but I'm running off humans, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm running off humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, I got to show the heat, you know, with the zar face, not your zar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put all for my people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, what's the one of those space city chino?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was he say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some sort of, I think, these are the, I think fear, fear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think fear is the colorway for these jays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Got us space city chino.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got man, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last one, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Questions?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got plenty of questions, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got questions?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a message.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So something I was thinking about, not a heavy topic, but everyone goes through life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have their seasons, things happen, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So say a wrestler's dealing with something heavy at home, a death, a divorce, like actual real pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When that bill rings, do you leave all that out at the curtain or does some of it have to come out while you guys are in the ring?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a little bit of both, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, this case my case, person and person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know some people can definitely use whatever they're going through to motivate them, you know, to put them in a different mindset, to push harder, to work harder, maybe he'd draw from,
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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever they're dealing with to put them in a different emotional state for their performance promo in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would say that you would probably be surprised to know how many times through the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of your favorite performers were out there putting on amazing matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to rob you on my bed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't deal with such
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I know there have been times in my career where I was dealing with, you know, personal things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I was able to compartmentalize it, bottle it up and put it away and go do what I got to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other people use it as motivation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, darn my time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were wrestling four or five nights a week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you're on the road all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: men and women were going through issues at home, you know, husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, you know, it's very demanding to be away all the time, you know, in times and I've seen people on the phone, you know, arguing with their significant other, but they got to go on work, you know, I know personally some people that lost an important family member.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you didn't know it, they were out there performing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had absolutely no idea that a grandmother or a father had passed away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, all of these things are case by case because everybody deals with their issues differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people wear their emotions on their sleeve and some people are very good at compartmentalizing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was always one to compartmentalize and do the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and put that away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do know that other people would say, like, you know, this was for you grandma, you know, and take that to the ring with them, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's case my case, but I, you know, I...
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's weird, man, because I laugh and I smile when I think about, you know, the professional wrestling industry in through the years, even though it's changed a lot so much to stay to say, because some of your favorite wrestlers are still in that ring with a painful physical injury that you're unaware of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have no idea how bad their neck hurts, how bad their shoulder hurts or knee and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, they're going through a painful breakup, or, you know, but they're out there, and they're putting on, and you don't know it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one of the beautiful things about what we have always done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our job is to go out there and entertain you, to make you laugh, to make you feel good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My job most of my career was to make you boo, to make you angry, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do my stuff later, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the best way, because I would assume some people would think it's an escape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, you know, like, how I am personally, it seems like having to work through that kind of pain with all these cameras on in the ring, isolated just you and you in another performer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like it would make things worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say a case by case, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody mourns differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody deals with physical pain differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody deals with psychological and emotional pain differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So where for one person or just like, man, I'm too distraught, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody else is able to go, I got to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll deal with all of this stuff later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me go handle this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's the beauty of it
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[SPEAKER_01]: has their own motivations for doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has their own approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, physical toughness is an integral part of professional wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but so as mental toughness, you got to be mentally tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that maybe people talk enough about how mentally tough you have, everyone talks about the physical aspect because you're being out of your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the mental toughness, it comes with it that you have to get through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but there's the beauty of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you just said, it would make it worse for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've gone through a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where I've had things that happened personally, you know, that, you know, I haven't discussed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I went out there and you didn't know anything was happening in my personal life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just how I approached it, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very good question though, but it's a case by case basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we didn't even say like comment subscribe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, you gotta be able to get that in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, like, comment, subscribe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He demands, I demand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you just subscribe to my channel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's deserve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not according to some people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You traveling again soon, man?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, but yeah, I say traveling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm artists emotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right on aim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, artists emotion Shout out to the old aim graffiti crew from Miami back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all my heavy head stuff right there All right, more questions
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[SPEAKER_02]: is another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what happens to a wrestler who was booked as an unstoppable monster for years?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then a company turns to them into a comedy act once the fair wears off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the the fear never truly wears all the way off because if you were a book as an unstoppable
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[SPEAKER_01]: big show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The big show was a big angry over, and that big right hand knocking anybody out and they haven't taken out multiple guys at once, and big show was big scary mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then periodically they do the high-hoast stuff with big show, they have not been doing comedy stuff, it'd be funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's still a giant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you recall, if you think back,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any time they needed him to be a big angry giant again on obstacle for John Cena to beat it a paper of you or whatever, all they needed was to give him a couple months of him being a big, sirly ogre again and he just beat people up and choke slam people and knock people out and smash some stuff and all of a sudden like, oh yeah, we forgot, he could do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you never really, if you were ever booked to be a big, fearsome, scary monster,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're never, but a few weeks away for being a big scary monster again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just got to remind people what you can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess kind of similar with Mark Henry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mark Henry is another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about great, Kali?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just can't, I can't, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The not so great, Kali.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, I mean, he made money for WWE because of the Indian audience that I respect that and the big, you know, I think Sony TV deal and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was trying to spy suit up and has a billion people that hate me because I feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great guy to joke around and mess with, but if you've never had to wrestle him, you couldn't possibly understand my pain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally and figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: reminds me of and I'm gonna take you back here so bear with me for those of you who are a little older but those of you who are Star Wars fans and you remember the Empire Strikes back when they were on the ice planet and they were attacking the rubble base and you had the big with some people called them at ads or they were ATL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told him, sir, by the time Undertaker was playing around a cup to back of his heel, and he almost fell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: True story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were somewhere in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we had the six-man or eight-man tag, and with Collie was getting heat on taker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and taker was on the ground and he looks up at me and Kali was standing there and taker just like put his hand and cut the back of his heel, just playfully just looking at us like, you know, kind of like, and he just cut the back of his heel a little bit and Kali went, no, but he, and I swear, taker looked up and he just went,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another time, it might have been that same tour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was that same match, but I remember very specifically, it was Vatista was on all four selling, and Kali.
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[SPEAKER_01]: stood up and she did it with absolutely zero ring awareness, the pieces behind him selling on all fours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the old playground thing where you've been and you do push to do it over?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Holly did it to herself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something like that that you want to try to keep it together, but we all laughed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The heels laugh, the baby faces laugh, the audience laughed, everybody laughed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so, yeah, man, what about them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not so great, colleague.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't ever ask me about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a wrestling context.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But how do you think those monsters took, you know, being booked as monsters, and then now being comedy acts?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Henry, or even Big Show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Mark Henry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Mark, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Big Show enjoyed, that was fun for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He liked to change up roles, and you know, it was fun for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Big Show was always in the back cracking jokes and clowning all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Mark, when Mark tells you a story, and he had an interesting run, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He came into wrestling, he wasn't a wrestler, he was a strong man, a competitive strength athlete and early in his career, you know, do his lesson with him and, you know, he, so he had an interesting career and he had ups and downs, he had things that he liked and he didn't, but I will tell you this for everything he went through the hall of pain, yeah man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how that came about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's so behind that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is true story, Mark, we'll tell you,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They used to like to mess with Mark, because Mark was kind of easy to needle sometimes, get up under a skin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one night, I forget the details with something where they had Mark out there and they kept messing with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I forgot if it was something like playing his music for him to come back or it was the end of the night or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just clowning Mark playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Mark had enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark was furious, but for real, for real, furious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I remember correctly, like, when he left the ring, he got to the back and everybody left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Vincent, every day left, they just left Mark out there, clown and Mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mark was furious and Mark's anger and rage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Mark was finally like snap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's when that right there, that is what I need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So was he trying to get this out of them or I don't say, I can marks the marks told the story and you guys can look it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it was all purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they would just clown them out, having fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How high, you know, you could get up under the skin sometimes, messing with them, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Mark had had enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, you know, and that was what led to the Hall of Pain run where they, you know, they said that is the big scary dude that we weren't right there and that and that's what Martin was looking like the predator and all that would happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, so that that's how that came about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, yeah, like, off the top of my head, I can't think of anybody else who, you know, was, was booked to be big and scary and then was comedy and, you know, went back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, I, I know Mark, that hall of pain, run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We gotta get him, uh, gotta get him on the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember one time when they put us together as a tag team,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but that's when I took the sleeves off of my outfit to match him, and then he put WSM on the back and under match me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was funny because we were out in the ring one day, and we had to, you know, we were having a match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody in the audience had a sign to say, power ball in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my god, and we got a huge kick out of that with a yeah, yeah, we've got a power ball in them, so but just to come back full circle if you are booked as a fearsome menace and if for whatever reason you end up doing some high
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're never more than a few weeks of TV away from being a menace again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because all they gotta do is send you out there to destroy a bunch of people, send somebody through the wall, smash some tables and have everybody, you're sending a bunch of referees where you just chaos it, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, like, comment, subscribe, type.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you like, comment down, to your friends about it, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zarkface.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's Zarkface burrito.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So almost time for us to get out of here, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we got time for one more question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One more?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's time for one more question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll wrap it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the desperate need of sleeping and for understood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's get this wrapped up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now that a match can live forever as a clip, the second it happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does that make wrestler's braver or more scared to try something that might flop?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it depends on their level of professionalism and experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, a long time ago, Bruno Sassy, South Florida, wrestling, uh, personality, fight out to slam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was some stuff for them packed for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bruno told me, you never do anything in the ring that you do good, only do the things that you do great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, wow, now that was pretty pointy, you know, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nowadays, you have because of the popularity of social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're shooting this for YouTube, you said everything lasts forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the younger talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One way to get booked to get yourself out there is to go viral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got lots of people out there that are looking for that viral moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, we see these incredible watches, you know, we see people get badly hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I, I mean, accidents happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter how good how skilled you are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the best of the best accidents happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, sometimes I think with inexperience and a desire to be seen, to be heard, I think young wrestlers will take unnecessary risks that will put them in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, is that thing back in the days, you said, watch, Mania, or something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like just the collection of all the watches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: risk reward ratio, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way it works now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're somebody and you're on a show and you've got that one thing you've really been working on and you go and you do it, you hit it, you execute it, and oh my God, Joey Styles, oh my God, you get, you go viral on all the sudden people who never heard of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, know your name and now, you know, you have people that
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[SPEAKER_01]: to, you know, not now, you'll get a chance to make money and go different places and expand your fan base and be seen and be heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But whatever, the two have viral for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what people want to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I talked to Evan Born about, you know, doing that shooting star press every night, every night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what his ankles and, you know, knees are like, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's all case by case, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no blanket statement on this, but I think you have some people who are motivated to go out there and do something that's gonna get them seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And execute it, nail it, and it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think you got a lot more who probably aren't as good as they think they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, out over their schemes as people say, and try to do something, and they blow it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, you're the guy that watched that thing, you know, or you're the guy that we all saw get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, people are donating to your go-fund, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the case by case, and just the style now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that people, you know, people wrestle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The athleticism has improved exponentially through the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have people out there that are literally defying gravity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have people coming up behind them to go, I want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to do it well, I'll spray dust.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do it, ricochet dust, you know, I want to do it, what, what Phoenix does, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a calculated risk reward ratio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, definitely you got some people that have empted up, I'm going to go for it, I'm going to go for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some succeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it pays off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some things are, some things mistakenly happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was thinking of like bad clips that unfairly follow people for years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Titus O'Neill, who's balling and then sliding under the ring?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To be really, that's the tats to you forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Titus is a great guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would tremendous athlete, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Florida Gators play for Florida, you know, it was in CWD one standout, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But people always gonna remember that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just knew there's so much for the community or so, but, and he shouldn't not be remembered not that moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's what people said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are one viral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but the flip side of that accidents that happen, the rocks people's elbow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was an accident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know that story?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people's elbows,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know how he runs one way and that runs back the other way and does it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one night, he wanted to do it, but he ran the wrong way and didn't know how to drop an elbow from that side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he kept running across and came back the other way and then he did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, got over people, the deal around told me the story before I ever met Rocky about how that happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was telling the truth, you messed up, didn't you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody kept doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was great, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, you know, I always said one of my favorite things ever in wrestling was Rick Say it NXT doing that front flip over the top and that real life no wire superhero move To that I can't remember the guy's name, but the one that got released with the controversy I can't think it was like out of the ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't know that with what's got to be purple something
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were, they were, they were having a promo segment and, uh, Ricochet ran, did a front flip over the top rope, landed it and walked up to like, what now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, do that real life superhero, no, that's no why there's no second take.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, wow, but, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I remember back in the day when Rock was in the ring with the hard bottoms on, them soft, smooth, hard bottoms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to do the people's elbow and he slid a few feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but no, we still killed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your ball and elbow reminded me of that moment when you were in a suit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, in that moment, I saw it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my rock moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw it, I saw it, I saw it, I saw it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Watch it at TV, it's dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People remember that, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, I remember the good, they remember the bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the risk reward ratio and, you know, your motivation for doing what you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, but I always say, be smart and how you approach things, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, but I say, it's why I get the motivation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to be seen, you want to get elevated, you want, so you take these crazy risks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you do these crazy bumps, so you can go viral.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If social media would have been,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it is right now, they're in your first round with WWE.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you have taken more risk, fewer risk?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not maddened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not my style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a risk taker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a professional wrestler and I always like that legit shoot style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not jumping off the stuff too often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, you know, crashing through stuff too often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not done it if the moment call for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: My approach to pro wrestling, I wanted to put on an awesome simulated combat style match in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if the risk that I took sometimes with the promos, that's why I took my risk because I remember and John Cena said to me, he said, look, he got to go out there and try stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said sometimes you're gonna go out there and you're gonna blow it and you're gonna come back during the old man's gonna give you an ear full but he'll respect you because you gave it a shot you tried and there were times when you know me I looked at someone and I'm not saying that and I went out and I said what I wanted to say and my entire time at WWE there were only two times ever
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Vince called me over after a match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And no three times, after a promo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And chastise me for something I said because he didn't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One time it was because I was early on and I was really green and I said what the writer told me to say because I didn't know yet to just not do it that way and then say, oh, why would you do it like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't say well, because he told me to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I'm just figuring things out thanks a lot of what all you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the other two times, I can't really have something to be chastised before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was supposed to say something about what body accomplished would be like doing this, doing this, doing this, all in the same day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things was that he beat Tyson Fury, and a set of Tyson Fury, I said, he beat Francis and Ganu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I came back, I was like, who the hell is this Francis guy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: the channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that wasn't into him and me like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, but Bruce Fritchen actually made a solid point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, remember, we have a relationship with Tyson Fury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've done things with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So our audience, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just trying to be hip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to be cool, like, you know, it is hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boxing isn't as hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more, you know, it's a little edgy, a little cooler, a little more, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bruce got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vince didn't, you know, but I bet he gets it now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, social media would have been like, it is now, back then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They would have been trying to have an infernal match with you every week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been 100 million views each time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one for the history book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because I actually said at the time, in the meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I said it on the show before, where when they told me that they were going to set me all fire for the infernal match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the stunt guy, and I think Stephanie was there for you, and I said something tells me that some of you this ain't the first time you stood around, I'll fire, and that joke didn't go over it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The hell's that supposed to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it ain't go over as well as I thought it would, but...
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was a great match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're done, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was the last question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can go home, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long day, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I appreciate to have a lot of all of you who show up every week and show up in this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, take a moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're still with us at this point, like, comment, subscribe, all the little good things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got nothing else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing more for me, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's start on the go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you at Space Cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just laid back in, so I know whiskey 21 and over low ball Make it true, neat, there's a from Harlem Yeah, I'm flueced and off the pond, right?
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