ABOUT THIS EPISODE
For twenty-two episodes I sat in this room by myself. Not this one.
Minh Tran worked at my bench. Then he didn't. Episode 13 was about what that felt like from my side, and I never used his name.
I'm using it now.
There was no falling out. No betrayal. Nobody to blame. That did not make the bench feel any less empty.
For years I thought I knew what the future of Sunrise Dental Laboratory looked like, and Minh was in that picture. I had watched him from a distance, brought him into the lab, handed him work I would not hand most people, and somewhere in there I started imagining he might carry a piece of what I built. Then he went home to Windsor and built his own.
We go back to the beginning in this one. His path into dental technology, becoming an RDT, the online conversations that connected us years before either of us met in person, and the decision to come work beside me in Southern California.
Then we get into the part that actually matters. What he learned from me, and what he had to unlearn. What it felt like to know he needed to leave while knowing exactly what that would cost on my end. And whether a man has to build something of his own before he can understand what owning a laboratory really is.
Minh is honest about the gap between being a good technician and being a good lab owner. The pressure of saying yes. Earning your own stripes instead of borrowing somebody else's. Finding out that some of the things a mentor tells you don't land until years later, usually at the worst possible moment.
And we get at something neither of us can define cleanly. What survives after the bench goes empty.
The standards. The skepticism. The extra one percent nobody sees and nobody pays for. The instinct to verify instead of assume. The friendship.
There's one thing we don't agree on. We left it that way.
This isn't an episode about somebody leaving a laboratory. It's about what happens when the future you pictured doesn't show up, and what you find out you actually built.
PORTLAND, SEPTEMBER 11 AND 12
Minh and I will be on stage together at the Pacific Northwest Lab Conference, presented by the Oregon Association of Dental Laboratories and the Washington State Dental Laboratory Association, with Nowak Dental Supplies helping make it happen.
Some of this conversation is not on this recording. It's saved for that room. You'll know which parts when you hear us skip them.
Register here: https://www.zeffy.com/en-US/ticketing/pacific-northwest-lab-conference
The band is getting back together.
No sponsor. No masterclass. No weekend fix.
Protect your margins. Protect your meaning.
