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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
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Speaker 2: Orlando Bloom.
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Speaker 3: And basically he's in this new film called Bucking Fasted, which I just feel like really sums up Orlando Bloom's career because he's just, I don't know what his plan is. But he sounds like he's having a bit of fun because there's a scene in it where he is depicted as having a threesome within the movie they play, Twin Sisters, but it is real life sisters, Rooney and Kate Mara. A Reddit forum heard about this screening that happened in Spain a few weeks ago, and they were just horrified. They were like, this is appalling. This is bizarre. This is disgusting. The German director, Werner Herzog, he recalled speaking to Bloom before they were shooting the scene. And he said, you were in bed and you have two women in your arms. How you deal with that, I cannot give you instructions. And he described the moment as beautiful. He added that the scene had such charm and such depth. I want to know, are we horrified or is this just acting? These are top of their game. Like these actors have played all sorts of characters. You obviously don't need to have any sexual relationship with someone you're doing a sex scene with. But is this crossing a line? Like is this some weird, icky director fantasy of having these women kind of in a scene together?
00:01:23
Speaker 1: What do we think? Em?
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Speaker 4: I just feel sorry if they tried to get an intimacy coordinator. I feel like we're asking too much of intimacy coordinators now and they're probably like, I don't know how to coordinate this situation at all.
00:01:37
Speaker 2: That director saying, I don't need to direct you, do what you feel, is why we need intimacy coordinators. But it did remind me of what actresses have to put up with, particularly before the Me Too era and the advent of intimacy coordinators. I was listening to an interview with Aaron Sorkin. He is a very famous screenwriter. He wrote The West Wing. He wrote The Social Network. He's being interviewed at the minute because he's written The Social Reckoning. He's very well known for his rat-a-tat-tat dialogue and being super esoteric and verbiage, verbose, verbose. Anyway, he was given this long interview to The New York Times about The Social Reckoning, and he told this little anecdote that I think revealed a lot about what actresses had to put up with before anyone knew. started saying the words intimacy coordinator. He was talking about writing a script for a really bad early 90s movie that starred Nicole Kidman and Alec Baldwin, right? It wasn't a very good film. And it was an R-rated thriller because we loved those in the 90s, which was like murder, sex, you know, think basic instinct. And then everyone was trying to do that. And he was writing it and the director said to him, we need a sex scene. We've got Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman here. These are two of the hottest people in the world. We need to see them having sex. And Sorkin's like, I'm like a wordsy kind of dude. And he wrote some cute banter and he handed that script in. And then this is what he said the director said to him about how to write a sex scene for Nicole Kidman.
00:03:00
Speaker 1: He saw kind of the panic in my face and he said, it's no big deal. Just go to your hotel room and, you know, write down what you'd like to see Nicole do. So anyway... You want me to write down what I'd like to see Nicole Kidman do and then distribute it to the cast and crew, including Nicole Kidman and her husband, Tom Cruise?
00:03:22
Speaker 2: It made me think that if that's the kind of overt direction that big wig Hollywood directors and producers were giving screenwriters, and maybe still are, like, just think about the actress and what you'd like to see her be doing and write that. It made me think, God, the shit actresses.
Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
00:00:14
Speaker 2: Orlando Bloom.
00:00:15
Speaker 3: And basically he's in this new film called Bucking Fasted, which I just feel like really sums up Orlando Bloom's career because he's just, I don't know what his plan is. But he sounds like he's having a bit of fun because there's a scene in it where he is depicted as having a threesome within the movie they play, Twin Sisters, but it is real life sisters, Rooney and Kate Mara. A Reddit forum heard about this screening that happened in Spain a few weeks ago, and they were just horrified. They were like, this is appalling. This is bizarre. This is disgusting. The German director, Werner Herzog, he recalled speaking to Bloom before they were shooting the scene. And he said, you were in bed and you have two women in your arms. How you deal with that, I cannot give you instructions. And he described the moment as beautiful. He added that the scene had such charm and such depth. I want to know, are we horrified or is this just acting? These are top of their game. Like these actors have played all sorts of characters. You obviously don't need to have any sexual relationship with someone you're doing a sex scene with. But is this crossing a line? Like is this some weird, icky director fantasy of having these women kind of in a scene together?
00:01:23
Speaker 1: What do we think? Em?
00:01:25
Speaker 4: I just feel sorry if they tried to get an intimacy coordinator. I feel like we're asking too much of intimacy coordinators now and they're probably like, I don't know how to coordinate this situation at all.
00:01:37
Speaker 2: That director saying, I don't need to direct you, do what you feel, is why we need intimacy coordinators. But it did remind me of what actresses have to put up with, particularly before the Me Too era and the advent of intimacy coordinators. I was listening to an interview with Aaron Sorkin. He is a very famous screenwriter. He wrote The West Wing. He wrote The Social Network. He's being interviewed at the minute because he's written The Social Reckoning. He's very well known for his rat-a-tat-tat dialogue and being super esoteric and verbiage, verbose, verbose. Anyway, he was given this long interview to The New York Times about The Social Reckoning, and he told this little anecdote that I think revealed a lot about what actresses had to put up with before anyone knew. started saying the words intimacy coordinator. He was talking about writing a script for a really bad early 90s movie that starred Nicole Kidman and Alec Baldwin, right? It wasn't a very good film. And it was an R-rated thriller because we loved those in the 90s, which was like murder, sex, you know, think basic instinct. And then everyone was trying to do that. And he was writing it and the director said to him, we need a sex scene. We've got Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman here. These are two of the hottest people in the world. We need to see them having sex. And Sorkin's like, I'm like a wordsy kind of dude. And he wrote some cute banter and he handed that script in. And then this is what he said the director said to him about how to write a sex scene for Nicole Kidman.
00:03:00
Speaker 1: He saw kind of the panic in my face and he said, it's no big deal. Just go to your hotel room and, you know, write down what you'd like to see Nicole do. So anyway... You want me to write down what I'd like to see Nicole Kidman do and then distribute it to the cast and crew, including Nicole Kidman and her husband, Tom Cruise?
00:03:22
Speaker 2: It made me think that if that's the kind of overt direction that big wig Hollywood directors and producers were giving screenwriters, and maybe still are, like, just think about the actress and what you'd like to see her be doing and write that. It made me think, God, the shit actresses.
