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Lora Ries says Biden's HHS lost track of 400,000 migrant children, and Congress still hasn't acted. In this interview, she walks through how America got here — a 1965 law that launched chain migration, an asylum system she calls "easy to defraud," a trafficking program that went from an estimated 600,000–800,000 victims to 27 million worldwide with only 5,000 convictions — and the specific bills she says Congress could pass right now. Her warning to Republicans heading into the midterms: "Inaction is going to keep people home. SPONSOR: Human Coalition For $26, you can create a life-saving moment for a mother and her baby. Human Coalition reaches women before the abortion industry does, with free ultrasounds, real resources, and a Continuum of Care that stays with her until she is stable. They have already helped more than 36,000 women choose life, and through December 31 a $100,000 matching gift doubles every dollar you give. Leave a legacy of life. Give today at https://HumanCoalition.org/Nick There are big things happening at Blaze, and we'd love for you to join us. You can join now at https://Get.BlazeTV.com/Nick and use promo code “NICK” to get $20 off!
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00:00 – 30 years in immigration policy, and how Hart-Celler launched chain migration
07:35 – The 1990 act that turned asylum and TPS into "runaway" programs
16:31 – For decades we "looked the other way" at the "small" immigration violations
21:48 – Illegal immigrants came to Nick's office to lobby for driver's licenses
22:55 – Biden's day one: Remain in Mexico scrapped and catch and release back
28:41 – "Another industrial complex": hundreds of billions flowing to immigration NGOs
34:00 – Trafficking victims went from 800,000 to 27 million, with 5,000 convictions
39:36 – Biden's HHS lost track of 400,000 of 550,000 unaccompanied children
42:58 – What Congress could pass now, starting with no asylum between ports of entry
50:04 – The Clintons, Obama and Schumer once said illegal immigration had to be stopped
55:03 – "At least 20 million" deportable aliens and a million deportations this year
1:00:53 – Only U.S. citizens should count for congressional seats and electoral votes
This is Episode 588 of Making the Argument, published September 28, 2026.
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