Rachel Platten on Finding Light in the Darkness (September 2024)

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If you've ever run a little further or pushed a
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little harder while the song Fight Song was playing, you are.
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In great company.
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For nearly a decade, singer and songwriter Rachel Platten has
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used her voice to lift people up. Fight Song, it's
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been an anthem for listeners as they've fought through their
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own battles, inspiring all of us to find strength from within.
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But despite being known for one of the most empowering
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songs of all time, Rachel has lived through her own
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struggles with depression, anxiety, and moments of self-doubt. Now also
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a mom and a mental health advocate, Rachel's back with
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a fresh perspective and new music using that bold, beautiful
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voice in a brand new way. She's marking the next
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chapter in her life and in her career with her
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latest album, I Am Rachel Platten. And today, we talk
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about what motivates her to keep getting back up and
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staying in the fight. Just like Rachel sings, she's still
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got a lot of fight left in her.
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I'm Hoda Kotb. Welcome to my podcast, Making Space. Making Space.
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First of all, hi.
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Hi, Hoda.
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Congratulations on the new album.
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Thank you so much.
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I feel like we're getting into the fall and it's
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like time to turn pages. Like summer's had its season
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and now we're turning. And I feel like in life,
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we're constantly flipping pages from our kids' Baby years.
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To their next one. And then all of a sudden
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you kind.
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Of say goodbye to that phase. So for you, I
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feel like, let's talk musically first. You've turned a page
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and you're entering kind of different waters. So tell me
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about this new part of you, this new musical part
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of you.
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Well, first of all, I love it. I love her,
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this new me that's kind of emerged. I'm really proud
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of it. And it feels like a grown-up version of me.
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You know, it's something around, somewhere around turning 40, having kids,
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going through what I went through, which I've talked really
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publicly about, and postpartum depression. Emerging from that and finding
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my light and my strength again has kind of left
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me with this feeling of, man, I know who I
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am now. And what your opinion is of me doesn't
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matter to me as much as what I believe of
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myself and how I love myself. And I think that
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is a good way to sum up the whole era
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and chapter of where I'm at now musically and just
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my soul right now.
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It's so funny because obviously the song Fight Song became
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an anthem for so many people. And on the surface
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of it, when you hear it, I thought before meeting
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you initially, I was like, she has found it.
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She's got it all together. She's on her way. When
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you write a song like that, it's like, yes.
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She's up.
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But who were you back then?
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It's just so funny because I thought so too. I
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was a version of that. The words were true. The
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lyrics were certainly true because I wrote them in my heart.
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But I think what I've found now after writing this
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new album is that sometimes I write my medicine that
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I'll need in the future.
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That's interesting.
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So it's almost like I try on a self that
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I want to really be. I give myself the words
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that I need. And in writing it, I'm almost willing
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myself to be where I want to be, if that
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makes sense.
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So like to grow into that version.
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To grow into is a perfect way to say it.
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By the way, I love that so much.
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I loved, I think I remember when I first interviewed
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you way back in the day, And you said you're
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writing a fight song and you couldn't quite get the lyric.
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Oh my God, it took.
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It took forever.
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Forever.
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But then there was like sort of an epiphany.
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Yes.
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That sort of made it click all together.
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It was like a small boat.
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Oh, on the Hudson. Yes. I kept saying, because I
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was looking at the Hudson writing it. I'd walk up
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and down.
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The Central Park— wait, no, not Central Park. The West Side Highway.
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Yeah, West Side.
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I'm sorry.
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God, you can tell that I haven't been in New York.
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I miss New York so much, by the way.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah, I'd walk up and down, and I'd look at
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the Hudson, and I kept saying, like, a small boat
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on the Hudson, but nothing rhymed with Hudson that I
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wanted to say. And finally, it clicked one day.
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Ocean.
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And everything rhymes with ocean. Motion.
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By the way, brilliant. That was so brilliant.
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Let's go back, back, because— Some people, when they have
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a great hit song and a great follow-up album, everyone thinks, well,
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that must have come easy. But when you were a
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little girl way back in the day, well, first, do
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this for me. I love this question because it always
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kind of gives me insight.
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I love you, by the way. You are like the
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best interviewer. Already, I feel in such capable hands.
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Well, I always think about this. So, okay, so close
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your eyes. Okay.
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And imagine the bedroom where you grew up, okay? You're
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standing in them and love it. You are a little kid.
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You have shelves and things on them. There might be
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a poster on the wall. There might be sheets or pillowcase,
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whatever it is. So open your eyes and describe what
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your childhood room looks like.
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There is wallpaper with pink flowers with a little green stem.
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There's a small twin bed with a brass bed frame,
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and it has a pink comforter. There are shelves with
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my little bank. on it. My little pink bank that
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my parents would give me like 50 cents a week
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or whatever it was. My piggy bank. Yeah. A bank.
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Just a gigantic New York City bank.
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Just a city bank.
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You know, I was a really lucky kid. There's a
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piggy bank on my shelf and there's Cabbage Patch Kids.
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It was the 80s. There's New Kids on the Block posters.
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Oh, New Kids on the Block.
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My mom would only let them put them in the closet.
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Oh, really?
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So the closet was just like covered in posters. Wait, wait, wait.
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So on the wall, she was like, sweetie, we want
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our flowers with the stems. Totally. But in your closet.
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In the closet, you do you.
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Yep, exactly.
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So New Kids on the Block, was that your band
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at the time? Or you liked some of the music?
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Isn't that so embarrassing?
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I mean, no, it's not.
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They're awesome.
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But sorry, New Kids on the Block. Of course. Like
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they're definitely listening to this.
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Of course.
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No, I think it was New Kids on the Block
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and like Paula Abdul and Janet Jackson. Oh, yes, that
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whole crowd. Madonna.
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So a lot of women power, too. A lot of women.
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Cyndi Lauper, yeah.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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So who were your kind of female role models growing up?
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Let me think. I mean, besides my grandmother, who was
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my best friend. And she, well, yeah, I mean, my grandmother.
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She has passed away, but her name was Millie Platten.
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And she was a reporter for the Boston Globe. when
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it was pretty unheard of for a woman. This was in, like, 1930s, 1940s.
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Wow.
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Yeah, not unheard of for a woman to be a reporter,
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but it wasn't very common.
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No, it wasn't at all.
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I remember she one time described meeting JFK in an
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elevator and, like, quickly asking him some questions and getting
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the scoop. But she was amazing, and her dad was
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dying of Parkinson's when she was only 15, and his
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hands were shaking, and so she had to type out
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his stories for him and eventually took over his work
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because he was working for the Boston Globe, so.
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How cool that you also got to know her.
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What did she teach you?
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Her whole thing was always like, just take it easy, honey.
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Lighten up. She saw me. She really knew me, and
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she knew how hard I work just because who I am.
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I have this grit and this fire in me. And
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so she always wanted to kind of help me understand
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the opposite. She was like, work hard, but play hard.
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And she would say, work hard, but play hard. She
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had a thick Boston accent, like a legendary Boston accent.
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Did you listen to the play hard and the relax?
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She helped me. She would take me to the mall,
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take me and my cousins. She basically co-raised us along
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with my mom and dad. My mom was in graduate
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school and working as a therapist. And my mother's incredible too.
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And also a role model of mine. Because she decided
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to go back to get her degree when I was
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in elementary school. And I have these tenacious women around me.
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I was going to say.
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Right?
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Who just overcame circumstances and claimed life for themselves.
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Wow. Yeah. I love that. So you said that you
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were a hard worker since when you were little.
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Why do you think that is like, what kinds of
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things you were just like the kid who wanted to
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be good?
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I just was a do-gooder.
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Like I was a goodest, you know, like not, you know, perfectionist, goodest.
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Like I just wanted to be good. I wanted to
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be liked and I wanted to do well and I
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wanted to get a gold star. And I, I just
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desperately wanted to, um, Yeah, be approved of and be loved.
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And interesting.
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Be accepted.
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Be accepted.
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Yeah.
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And impress.
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Yes.
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And shine.
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I think a lot of kids have that thing. And
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I remember I have that too.
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And that led me later in life to something that I.
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Didn't want to be.
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No, me too.
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Like, you kind of want to be a pleaser. Like,
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do they like me? Is he okay? Is he mad?
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Did I do that? Is she mad? I didn't mean it.
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And I, you know, it took a long time to
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realize like pleasing every single person.
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You can't do it.
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Ain't going to work.
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It's not going to work.
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So when did you decide or have you yet decided like.
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I'm done pleasing. I just want to be me who
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got intended like me.
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Yeah, absolutely. I have gotten there, but through a lot
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of pain and through a lot of sacrifice of like
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giving myself away and my own needs away to the
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point where I was broken. And I have a song
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about it that I just sang on your show. Called
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Set Me Free. And the lyrics are, I'm done with
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people pleasing, playing small, love me as I am, or
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don't love me at all. I don't really care what
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you say, what you think about me. And it's, you know,
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I know who I am. I don't care who you
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want me to be. This is the night I set
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me free.
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And it's... I have chills from the lyrics. I have hair.
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Look at that standing up.
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I forgot a line, too. It's almost lost my mind
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trying to make everybody happy.
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Oh.
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And that is so- That's it. That's it. That's a nutshell.
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That's it. Yeah. And I did. I literally did.
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How did you, like, tell me the process. Was there
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a process or did you- Of how I got there?
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Yeah.
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Or did you just decide? Like, that's it.
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No, well, first of all, it's so funny because I
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wrote that song, again, like Fight Song and like all
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my songs, I wrote it three or four years before
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I actually embodied it, which is wild to me.
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Yeah, that is wild.
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Like, I was like, I put on a suit that
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day that I wrote that song of this Rachel that
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felt that way, that didn't really care anymore. And then yet,
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It was almost like I sang it, but then with parentheses,
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she said, caring deeply. And then when I sang it
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on TV, I really actually believed it. I felt it.
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And I earned it.
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Was there anything that you had to do to change?
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Because wanting to change is one thing and wishing it.
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And almost like I've been for many years, like a pretender.
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Like I'm good. I did it.
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Same.
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But until you really dig in there, I mean, your
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mom's a therapist. She must have kind of helped guide
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you a little bit along that route.
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And my dad is actually also got a doctorate in
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psychology and Oh. You know, he went into industrial organizational psych,
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but he worked at McLean Hospital. So I have therapy
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coming at me from all angles, you know?
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So did they help?
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No.
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You know, like, they did, and I had, like, the— what' s
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it called? The resources around me. But often when you do,
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sometimes you think that you're so clever and crafty and
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would know if you're depressed or would know, you know?
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Certainly my parents would tell me. It really wasn't until
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I had a moment of lying on my studio floor
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face down— sobbing, crying out to God, where are you?
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Are you here? I'm lost. I don't think that there's
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anyone listening. I'm so scared. I'm so alone and I
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can't take it anymore. I can't take one more ounce
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of pain. And it wasn't until that moment until, and
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then it took therapy and work and like all the
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things that we have to do. But that was the
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turning point because in that moment, my song Mercy came
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to me and that's on my new record. It came
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to me all at once, like in 20 minutes or
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30 minutes. And as I was sobbing out this pain,
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this guttural cry out to God, like the oldest thing
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in time, a human crying out to their creator, where
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are you? Am I alone? It brought this absolutely beautiful music,
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this like joyful, reverent music. And almost as an answer.
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And from that moment on, I knew I wasn't alone here.
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There was something else. And I developed my relationship with
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God and faith and throughout the rest of the album
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and like throughout the next couple years and also did
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intense therapy, intense work, EMDR. And I had chronic pain,
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so I had to see a chronic pain specialist and
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did work with a devotee of John Sarno's work, his protege.
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And like I did all the things.
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Yeah.
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All the things.
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Yes.
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And faith. And all of it brought me finally home
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to myself and made me understand that I am certainly
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not alone. I am so deeply loved. Wow. And not
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only that, but I am quite small in the grand
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scheme of things. And it really doesn't matter that much.
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And that feels really good.
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That's a funny perspective. Because it's like, right, first you
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want to make sure that you are good. And then
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you realize, and after all of that.
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Come on.
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You're just a speck.
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I'm just a speck. And I'm not doing all this.
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As much as my control freak self wanted to think
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that I'm the one manipulating and getting me into the
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rooms that I want to be in and not convincing people,
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I just kind of started to realize, man, what if
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I go with the flow a little more? What if
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I trust a little bit more? And do my best.
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Certainly do my best. But have faith and kind of
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surrender and be like, you know, I'm going to do
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my best and show up with as much peace and
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joy and faith in myself and as honest as I can.
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Yes.
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As vulnerable as I can. And then whatever's going to
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happen is going to happen.
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What brought you to that painful spot that kind of
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sparked the turnaround?
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What was it?
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Well, certainly it was hormones because I was really in
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the depths and the throes of postpartum depression. So it
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was chemical in my body, but it was, I mean,
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from an emotional standpoint, I think it was years of
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what we talked about.
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Pleasing.
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Pleasing. Yeah.
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Putting like a circle in a square.
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Saying sorry all the time. Explanation points after every sentence
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in a text.
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Yes, yes.
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Asking permission for everything, for my very existence.
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Yes.
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And out of that came so much rage. Yes. I
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don't know if you've ever felt that or if anyone
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listening has ever felt that. This like rage, like why
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have I spent my life apologizing for who I am?
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I could cry thinking about it. Yeah. Enough.
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It's too much. It's too much. Yeah.
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Because, right, to apologize for being the person who God created, basically, saying, sorry,
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I'm in the way.
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I'm me.
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I'm me.
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I have a good heart. I'm kind to my core.
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It's going to come out. I don't need to overly
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convince everyone all the time. Right. That I'm good or
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that I'm nice or that to make them. I'm enough.
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And I think I heard a really beautiful podcast one
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time describe, I think it was Brene Brown talking to
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Elizabeth Gilbert, maybe. Yeah. I can't quite remember. And they said,
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or Brene said, or someone said, I grew up in
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a household that was a little bit explosive. And so
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what I learned was to be hypervigilant about emotions around me.
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Because I always was on the lookout, like, well, what
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could happen?
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Something's going to blow up.
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Yeah. My parents were young and they didn't have money
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and they were doing their best and they were trying
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their hardest, but they're anxious people. And I am too.
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I run anxious.
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And Like, so there was explosive screaming and door slamming
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before they worked it out and learned how to heal.
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And like, that was a scary thing for a little
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kid to grow up in. Yeah. And I had to
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learn to constantly monitor everyone around me. Like, oh my God,
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what's going to lead to something not safe for me?
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Right.
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And so I think that's what happened as I grew.
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That was my MO was like constantly monitoring around me.
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Are they happy with me? Are they not? Right. Because
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I might be in danger.
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Right.
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I don't want to be. Yeah. You're scared.
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I'm scared. It might in my sweet little nervous system.
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can't understand that the threat of someone not liking me
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is different than the threat of being like in danger
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and a tiger eating me.
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Yeah.
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Right? Right.
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It's flight. It's like whatever it is.
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So I'm like, oh my God, so let me please
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so that I'm safe.
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And I think that's so interesting about postpartum because I
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interviewed Brooke Shields about it years ago.
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Thank God that she talked about it. Right.
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And just talked about it because she kept, she was
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reminding me, it's like, You were supposed to be at
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the most joyful time, and yet here's your brain going
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down this other route.
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Yeah.
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And certain things like that are so chemical. Yeah.
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And then there are the pleasing part, which is another
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piece that you've got to kind of correct. And I
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feel like you have so many tools, like, right now
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in your toolkit.
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That's exactly how I feel, too. You got it. And
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you got two little girls.
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Yeah.
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And I know all you want to do is help
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them grow into beautiful adults.
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Yeah.
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But what are you hoping that they will be?
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Because I sometimes notice pleasing in my seven-year-old and I'm
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constantly on it because, and I don't want to be
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on it because then it's like too- How do you,
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do you correct it?
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Like what do you do? Well, I say to her,
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if she's like, um, Like she said to me, oh,
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my fingernails hurt.
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Because she got her first manicure and it was hurting her,
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but she didn't say anything. And I said, honey, why
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didn't you say something? Well, I didn't want to say
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anything because, I mean, she was doing it.
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I said, no, no. I said, listen.
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I said, if something doesn't feel comfortable or right for you,
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you can say. It's okay to say, hi, thank you
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so much for what you're doing.
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That doesn't feel good for me. It's okay to say that.
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But I think I worry because anyone who's a pleaser
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will have a lot of issues going forward.
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So we work on it with most things.
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Sometimes I say, you could say if someone offers you food,
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I love you, I just don't love liver. There are
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ways as a little kid that you can do it.
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And as an adult. But it's tricky.
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And I think raising, how do you go about raising
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your girls?
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It's a great question.
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I Well, I do a lot of what I think
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I needed and what I didn't get. I think we
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probably all do that. We try to correct. And like,
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who knows if time will tell, maybe I overcorrect.
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I don't know.
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But I do a lot of trying to allow them
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to understand that all of their feelings are okay as
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long as they're not endangering themselves or anyone else. And
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I'm constantly kind of trying to help them understand, hey,
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you can be really sad about that right now.
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Right.
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That's really hard what just happened. Right. And you don't
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have to shut it down. Right. Because that was something
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00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.920
that I did a lot. And so I'm really trying
504
00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:38.259
to help them have emotional freedom and tools. Yeah. You know,
505
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:39.619
you want to go into your room and feel your
506
00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:40.819
feelings for a little bit? Do you want to go
507
00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:41.779
punch a pillow in your room?
508
00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:41.920
Yeah.
509
00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.259
Hey, do you want to go like, stomp and cry
510
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.240
or I help them scream. Sometimes I'm like, go into
511
00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:48.059
your room and scream as loud as you can.
512
00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.440
Get the mad out. Get it out. I agree with that.
513
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.660
Because I locked it down. Me too. And I did
514
00:21:52.829 --> 00:21:55.349
not know that it was okay. And that was years
515
00:21:55.390 --> 00:21:58.450
that built up, I think, to this breakdown point of
516
00:21:58.509 --> 00:22:01.029
finally realizing, well, this rage has got to come out somehow.
517
00:22:01.089 --> 00:22:01.230
Right.
518
00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:02.009
You can't carry it.
519
00:22:02.029 --> 00:22:05.549
And as women and as little girls, what could we, like,
520
00:22:05.609 --> 00:22:08.309
come on. We are taught to stuff that down. That
521
00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:12.339
is not what a it's not okay. There's no like
522
00:22:12.380 --> 00:22:16.299
aggressive expression that is allowed rather than sports, you know,
523
00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:18.759
like there's, and girls don't even really wrestle or have
524
00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.579
the physicality, you know, and they should be allowed to
525
00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.779
because we're humans, we're human beings. And that stuff is
526
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.180
in our subconscious. So I try to allow them to
527
00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.240
kind of Teach them how to get it out. Or
528
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:32.359
even draw it out.
529
00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:32.819
Yeah.
530
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.359
Like write out, like scribble as dark as you can.
531
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Dark as you can.
532
00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:36.769
Yeah. That's smart.
533
00:22:36.829 --> 00:22:38.829
I think all those things are good. And I've been
534
00:22:38.869 --> 00:22:41.930
trying to do something similar. And I also struggle with,
535
00:22:42.549 --> 00:22:45.609
although we were raised differently than they are, it's like,
536
00:22:45.670 --> 00:22:48.369
keep it in, get in line, follow your, be quiet,
537
00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:52.529
all that stuff. Although those things made it hard in childhood,
538
00:22:52.549 --> 00:22:54.910
there's a part of me that also thinks, and I
539
00:22:54.950 --> 00:22:59.029
try to balance it, is like my adulthood, I think
540
00:22:59.109 --> 00:23:02.349
was really easy because I could Like, you know.
541
00:23:02.390 --> 00:23:03.990
Stuff it down and be appropriate.
542
00:23:04.049 --> 00:23:04.170
Right.
543
00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:06.230
And this is the work environment. And you just can't,
544
00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:06.930
you can't be.
545
00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:06.970
100%.
546
00:23:06.970 --> 00:23:10.359
So I'm noticing, like, another generation is much more like,
547
00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:11.359
I don't feel.
548
00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.480
Good about this. It's like, yeah, yeah, but you still
549
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:14.380
have to do it.
550
00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:14.619
Girl.
551
00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:15.079
I know.
552
00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:16.559
Thank you. You're right.
553
00:23:16.779 --> 00:23:17.160
I gotta.
554
00:23:17.180 --> 00:23:18.880
So it's trying to find, me too, I'm trying to
555
00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.559
find that balance in between because we don't want them.
556
00:23:21.579 --> 00:23:24.619
To just be entitled assholes. Excuse me. Like, who are
557
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.450
just like, my mom said I could feel my anger,
558
00:23:26.490 --> 00:23:27.309
so I'm going to feel my anger.
559
00:23:27.329 --> 00:23:28.210
So I'm doing it right now.
560
00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:30.819
Right now. I mean, I'm. I think you're right. And
561
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.680
I do try to, I do try to like say like, hey,
562
00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:35.640
you're feeling really bad right now. Do you want to
563
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.410
go into your own space, into the bathroom, into your
564
00:23:38.470 --> 00:23:40.529
room and close the door so that you're not expressing
565
00:23:40.569 --> 00:23:42.109
it in front of a friend that's kind of like,
566
00:23:42.569 --> 00:23:45.430
but you're right. Like I did learn to bottle it
567
00:23:45.490 --> 00:23:46.509
up and that is a skill.
568
00:23:46.529 --> 00:23:48.799
I know. And like, how do we, what do we do?
569
00:23:48.859 --> 00:23:51.279
There's probably an in-between of what we, the way we
570
00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:52.920
were and the way that our kids need to be.
571
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.380
And I think that my kids with their over-correcting mom
572
00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.259
are going to have to, you know, figure out their thing.
573
00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:01.259
But You're right. It is important. And I have heard
574
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:03.599
that mentioned a couple of times, especially with like, not
575
00:24:03.619 --> 00:24:06.299
just me, but how is this gentle parenting thing going
576
00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.779
to work out? I know. Oh, I know. Boundaries.
577
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:10.319
Yes.
578
00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:12.920
We have to have solid and we have to teach
579
00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:16.289
solid boundaries. And I think that gentle parenting without boundaries,
580
00:24:16.309 --> 00:24:17.869
you're being locked on.
581
00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:20.849
Gentle parenting with boundaries.
582
00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:24.289
Yeah. Like boundaries are the new punishment of the 80s, right?
583
00:24:24.349 --> 00:24:27.430
Of like, Hey, I will not let you touch my
584
00:24:27.470 --> 00:24:30.039
body like that. I will remove you from the situation.
585
00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:32.039
I will hold your arms and hold you down. I
586
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.259
will remove you from the situation because you're not safe
587
00:24:34.299 --> 00:24:34.599
right now.
588
00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:34.960
Right.
589
00:24:35.420 --> 00:24:37.599
And that's another thing that they're learning. I think that's good.
590
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.740
Girl, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing.
591
00:24:40.819 --> 00:24:41.480
I'm trying.
592
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:45.400
Tell me about your relationship with your husband.
593
00:24:45.500 --> 00:24:46.900
Tell me about that part of your life.
594
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.519
I mean, it is probably in the best place that
595
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:50.920
it's been.
596
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:51.319
Wow.
597
00:24:51.970 --> 00:24:56.910
We have been together for almost, how long? Almost 16 years,
598
00:24:56.910 --> 00:25:00.980
17 years, I think. 17 years. He's my best friend.
599
00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:07.000
He's incredible. He has a law degree and a business degree.
600
00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:11.960
He's brilliant. And he now runs my label, our label,
601
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.279
and we're working together. And we're doing this together for
602
00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:15.980
the first time.
603
00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:18.420
How is that? Working with your buddy.
604
00:25:18.849 --> 00:25:20.369
Well, if you had asked me a year ago, I'd
605
00:25:20.410 --> 00:25:22.490
have been like screaming and tearing my hair out. It
606
00:25:22.509 --> 00:25:25.009
was so hard at first for both of us. We
607
00:25:25.049 --> 00:25:28.029
just had a lot of venting, a lot of talks
608
00:25:28.049 --> 00:25:30.970
with our therapist to help. But we've gotten to such
609
00:25:30.990 --> 00:25:33.289
a good place with it. I think we had to
610
00:25:33.369 --> 00:25:34.930
understand how to trust each other.
611
00:25:34.950 --> 00:25:35.750
That's good, yeah.
612
00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:39.450
And how to allow each other to have our strengths.
613
00:25:39.769 --> 00:25:41.829
And like, I don't know, I kind of had to...
614
00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:46.880
More than that for me... I had to understand how
615
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:49.900
to not be such a control freak, I think, because
616
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.819
here I am with my partner who matters, whose opinions
617
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:56.099
matter just as much as mine, who is working just
618
00:25:56.140 --> 00:25:58.660
as hard as I am, who loves me so much.
619
00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:01.940
And I don't want to misinterpret his frustrations or his
620
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.160
things as him, you know, trying to control anything. He's just,
621
00:26:05.589 --> 00:26:06.740
I don't know. I don't know if I'm saying it
622
00:26:06.769 --> 00:26:08.730
that elegantly. I just think that like we've found a
623
00:26:08.769 --> 00:26:10.869
really good rhythm. Oh, I know something that we do.
624
00:26:11.049 --> 00:26:11.230
What?
625
00:26:11.369 --> 00:26:12.190
That's awesome.
626
00:26:12.470 --> 00:26:12.809
Okay.
627
00:26:12.910 --> 00:26:13.210
Okay.
628
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.720
So we were taking work into our life. You know,
629
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.569
we were like taking it onto the couch watching TV
630
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.589
and that wasn't working and it was really unhealthy. And
631
00:26:21.650 --> 00:26:23.349
like we'd be venting about our day, but it would
632
00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:25.089
just carry on because how do you shut it off?
633
00:26:25.210 --> 00:26:28.029
How do you shut down? And we realized that we
634
00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:32.470
needed like a little system to say goodbye to Rachel
635
00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:35.869
and Kevin work selves and enter back in Rachel and
636
00:26:35.890 --> 00:26:39.640
Kevin married selves. So we, don't worry, Kevin, if you're listening,
637
00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:41.500
I am not going to sing her the song. We
638
00:26:41.539 --> 00:26:45.349
walk outside of our house. We stand in the grass.
639
00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:47.509
We kind of like, you know, just shake it out.
640
00:26:47.549 --> 00:26:49.190
I make us shake it out. He barely, he rolls
641
00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:49.490
his eyes.
642
00:26:49.569 --> 00:26:49.829
Yeah.
643
00:26:49.849 --> 00:26:52.269
But I like, bleh. Yeah. And then we walk back
644
00:26:52.289 --> 00:26:54.089
in and we sing a little song.
645
00:26:54.950 --> 00:26:55.759
Wait, you're singing it together?
646
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.279
No, no, I can't because he'll die. And then we
647
00:26:58.299 --> 00:27:00.339
hug and we say hello as if we're just getting
648
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.680
back from our day. And I say, hi, Kev. How
649
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.339
are you? Like, we say goodbye work, Kev. Goodbye work, Rach.
650
00:27:05.500 --> 00:27:06.230
And then we come back in.
651
00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:06.660
Hi, baby.
652
00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:07.240
How was your day?
653
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.170
That's so cute. Oh, my God.
654
00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:11.809
Yeah, we're like, gross. It's very cute.
655
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.650
So who's the disciplinarian out of you and your husband? Oh,
656
00:27:14.670 --> 00:27:15.630
definitely him. He is?
657
00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:16.890
Oh yeah, he's strict.
658
00:27:16.990 --> 00:27:17.609
Yeah, is he?
659
00:27:18.029 --> 00:27:20.710
I think that also is why for our kids, it
660
00:27:20.750 --> 00:27:22.470
works that I'm a little bit more. Yeah.
661
00:27:22.940 --> 00:27:23.920
So he kind of lays down.
662
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.539
Yeah, like he's very, you don't get away with stuff
663
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.940
with Kevin. Actually, that is such a lie. He'll like
664
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.359
go to American Girl doll store and Violet just walk,
665
00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:34.059
the girls like just tool on him. But when it
666
00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:37.119
comes down to like really crossing a boundary, Kevin's not okay.
667
00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:37.660
He's not like that.
668
00:27:37.700 --> 00:27:38.160
No, no, no, no.
669
00:27:38.299 --> 00:27:38.720
He won't let that.
670
00:27:38.740 --> 00:27:40.880
I think it's interesting that as you go through the
671
00:27:40.900 --> 00:27:43.069
different phases of your life where you described as you're
672
00:27:43.089 --> 00:27:46.250
writing music that's appropriate, because I feel like this music
673
00:27:46.289 --> 00:27:49.529
that's coming out now is appropriate for women who have
674
00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:54.779
complicated and complex feelings, not simplistic things like crushes and,
675
00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:55.700
you know, those things.
676
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.000
It's just really speaking.
677
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.220
To people who are of different ages. So I know
678
00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:05.220
you're writing what you feel at the time. Are you
679
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.500
thinking about, like, this album should be where I am today?
680
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.380
Or do you just do whatever spills out of you?
681
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.609
You're like, this is coming, and I'm going to accept
682
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:13.289
it as it is.
683
00:28:13.650 --> 00:28:17.670
Are you meaning, like, did I write intentionally for knowing
684
00:28:17.690 --> 00:28:19.089
that my fans have also grown up?
685
00:28:19.109 --> 00:28:21.269
Right, grown up, too, and we're all in the same,
686
00:28:21.309 --> 00:28:22.710
you know.
687
00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:25.750
No. No. That wasn't intentional. That's just who I am now. Yeah.
688
00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:29.140
And it was so raw when it came out of me.
689
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.009
The album is so raw and so deeply personal. They're
690
00:28:32.029 --> 00:28:36.309
like often journal entries. They're right from the pain onto
691
00:28:36.349 --> 00:28:42.349
the page. And I think, interestingly enough, I also thought
692
00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:45.789
that these songs might only be for people of a
693
00:28:45.829 --> 00:28:47.539
certain age or have been through stuff.
694
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:48.410
Been through things, yeah.
695
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.960
But fortunately or unfortunately, the younger generation has been through
696
00:28:54.450 --> 00:28:56.079
A lot more than I think we understand.
697
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.920
Yeah, that's a good point.
698
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:01.480
And feel a lot more anxiety and depression and sadness
699
00:29:01.539 --> 00:29:06.259
and complicated emotions than we necessarily want to admit that
700
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.440
they do. And so there are a lot of young
701
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:11.579
kids and teenagers that have been also reaching out to
702
00:29:11.619 --> 00:29:14.940
me through either parents or social media to tell me, like,
703
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.059
thank God for Bad Thoughts, your song about a panic attack,
704
00:29:18.140 --> 00:29:21.500
because I'm 13 and I'm having panic attacks, and that
705
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:22.259
is helping me.
706
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:22.980
So.
707
00:29:23.859 --> 00:29:28.039
Unfortunately, it isn't just for people who are maybe my
708
00:29:28.099 --> 00:29:30.410
age or a little bit younger or older. I think
709
00:29:30.470 --> 00:29:33.109
it's universal. I think this is speaking to the human
710
00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:35.589
condition right now in this world that we're living in
711
00:29:36.069 --> 00:29:38.829
where we feel so separate from each other and so alone.
712
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.180
When did panic attacks hit you or when did that start?
713
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.720
When I was struggling with postpartum depression. I'd never had
714
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:50.069
that experience before. I'd heard close friends describe that, but
715
00:29:51.069 --> 00:29:52.609
I think like all of us, I was in a
716
00:29:52.630 --> 00:29:55.630
little bit of a spiritual bypass of like, that's not
717
00:29:55.650 --> 00:29:58.289
going to happen to me. I'm good. I know how to,
718
00:29:58.309 --> 00:30:00.410
you know. It was also a lot of like, I think,
719
00:30:00.450 --> 00:30:02.470
dangerous spirituality.
720
00:30:02.710 --> 00:30:02.930
Yeah.
721
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.460
And I said in quotation marks because it wasn't real
722
00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:08.200
faith and understanding that I am loved and I'm enough
723
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.500
and I can go directly to my source and have
724
00:30:10.539 --> 00:30:12.599
my own answers. It was a lot of looking outside
725
00:30:12.619 --> 00:30:15.680
of myself to intuitives and who are well-meaning.
726
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:16.240
Right.
727
00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:18.039
But not. But not like.
728
00:30:17.779 --> 00:30:20.220
They were talking to God for me.
729
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:20.579
Right.
730
00:30:20.619 --> 00:30:22.059
Telling me my own answers.
731
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:22.460
Right.
732
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.200
You're like, I have a direct line. Exactly. Thank you.
733
00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:25.460
Thank you.
734
00:30:25.819 --> 00:30:26.440
So you went that route.
735
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:27.640
I have a direct line. And so.
736
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.519
Once you got centered there, everything got clearer.
737
00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:34.299
Yeah. Everything got clearer there.
738
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.039
Yeah.
739
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:36.680
As it always does, right?
740
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.759
I watched you perform at an Ariana Huffington event where
741
00:30:40.779 --> 00:30:41.680
Savannah was.
742
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:43.230
I love Ariana, by the way.
743
00:30:43.509 --> 00:30:44.089
And Savannah.
744
00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:46.730
That was so incredibly beautiful.
745
00:30:46.789 --> 00:30:47.150
Thank you.
746
00:30:47.170 --> 00:30:50.170
But there were times where you stopped playing, I think,
747
00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:51.670
at one of the- I was in pain.
748
00:30:51.690 --> 00:30:53.210
You were in pain and you said it.
749
00:30:53.589 --> 00:30:53.710
Yeah.
750
00:30:54.609 --> 00:30:56.990
It was real.
751
00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:00.190
Just that particular moment, it hit me and I thought
752
00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:04.250
to myself, she's not pushing through and head down and
753
00:31:04.289 --> 00:31:05.109
what do they want?
754
00:31:05.150 --> 00:31:07.150
You're like, no, no, this is what I need now.
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I'm stopping. I'm taking a minute. Hope you guys are
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okay with that, but this is how it has to be.
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That took bravery, didn't it?
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Thank you. Yeah, that was a really hard time. That
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was in January and I It's so funny because this
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newfound confidence and love of myself is new, but it's real.
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But yeah, in January, I was still struggling with chronic
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pain and horrendous back spasms. And what I've learned since
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is that it was just an expression of my nervous
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system in fight or flight. And all the MRIs and
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physical therapy and stuff and doctors and it was well-intentioned again,
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but it just threw me further and further into feeling
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like there was something wrong with me And I needed
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to fix it from the outside in when really what
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I needed to do, and I think what we all
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need to do, is go inside out. And so, yeah,
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I was in the middle of a song. And actually,
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it's so funny. The song is called I Know. And
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I was about to sing this line, deliver me, deliver me.
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This pain won't last. This too shall pass, I know.
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And as I'm about to sing that, I'm buckled over
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in pain with this horrendous back spasm that I couldn't ignore.
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And thank you for giving me credit for being brave,
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but it wasn't that. I just physically couldn't continue. It
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was so painful and scary and terrifying that I had
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to stop. And it was almost like my little body
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telling me like, you are not safe. Get out of here.
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This is not okay. And I did in that moment,
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it did take courage and bravery to calm myself down,
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put a hand on my heart. And I did say
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to the audience, you're right. I'll own that. I did
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say to the audience, I'm so sorry. I need a second.
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I've also been experiencing chronic pain. I haven't talked about
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that yet because I'm so exhausted by talking about my depression.
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I don't want to also talk about this, but that's real.
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That's part of it.
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Give me a second.
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And I did.
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I was able to find the strength to go on
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and continue the song and continue the concert.
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Wow.
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More ahead with Rachel Platten. Stay with us.
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This is an arrow. Mmm.
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And this is the sound of its minty bubbles. Conjuring
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melt in your mouth. Pure bubbly joy. Melt into the
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moment with Aero's delicious peppermint bubbles.
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Aero, feel the bubbles melt.
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This podcast is called Making Space.
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So it's a time where you can clear out part
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of your day and do that.
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And I love that you were taking deep breaths before
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you came into here. I just took one. You just
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took one now. I think it's so cool.
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But if someone gave you a day that was for
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you and it was to replenish, nourish, revitalize, repot, do
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whatever the res that you needed to do. How would
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that day play out for you? How do you re-energize
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yourself and slow it down?
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I do them quite a lot lately because as a
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mom of young kids, I know you understand, and a
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full-time career of a lot of pressure and a lot
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of expectations, I need them. And I go to nature.
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Oh, you do.
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I go to the mountain or I go to the
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ocean and I just ground. And I... let go and
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I reconnect with God and I pour out any emotions
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I need to. I'll journal, I'll get out what's in
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there that's been trapped. And I will remember that I'll
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imagine myself like, well, I'll actually physically be in nature.
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And then I'll imagine myself as like an infant swaddled
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in God's arms.
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Oh, that's beautiful.
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And all of the pressures of my 42, wait, I'm 43,
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43 year old self just kind of melt away. And
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I'm just being rocked. And that image will just bring
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me back home. Oh, wow.
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That is beautiful. It's pretty good.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I feel relaxed.
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Yeah.
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Rachel Platten, thank you so much for coming to see
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me today.
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You're a love. I knew it before.
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That was so fun.
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Thank you.
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Making Space with Hoda Kotb is produced by Alison Berger
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and Alexa Kasavecchia, along with Kate Saunders. Our associate audio
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engineer is Juliana Mosterilli. Our audio engineer is Katie Lau.
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Original music by John Estes. Bryson Barnes is our head
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of audio production. Missy Dunlop-Persons is our executive producer. Libby
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Least is the executive vice president of Today in Lifestyle.
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This is an arrow. Mmm.
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And this is the sound of its minty bubbles. Conjuring
871
00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:30.780
melt in your mouth. Pure bubbly joy. Melt into the
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00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:34.010
moment with Aero's delicious peppermint bubbles.
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Aero, feel the bubbles melt.