ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Super-excited to have hosted an interdisciplinary discussion between two legends, the biologist Michael Levin and metaphysician D.C. Schindler.
In the conversation we discuss Levin’s “Platonic Morphospace” research programme, which treats morphogenesis, physiology, and behaviour as pattern navigation by goal-directed cellular collectives. We discuss how these discoveries question the foundations of the mechanical philosophy for science and highlight alignments with neo-Platonic philosophy.
Mike's website: https://thoughtforms.life/DC's books: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/D.-C.-Schindler/author/B001JRTOAU
Chapters:00:00 Introductions and Setup00:29 Levin’s Big Questions01:14 Patterns and Morphospace03:21 Beyond Evolutionary Explanations03:51 Synthetic Agents Xenobots05:04 Minimal Computational Models06:09 Actionable Research Program08:02 Schindler’s Neoplatonic Lens14:36 Machines Organicism Debate19:19 Cognition as Continuum22:03 Nonphysical Causation Example25:15 Math Truths as Causal28:35 Expanding Platonic Space30:48 Forms Beyond Matter31:29 Life Versus Death Question33:03 Dog Corpse Thought Experiment35:21 Operational Categories Spectrum37:40 Death As Shrinking Agency40:26 Hybrids Xenobots Blur Lines41:46 Embryo Alignment And Goals44:28 Soul As Organization Pattern48:19 Transformation Models And Math53:52 Phase Transitions Emergence Debate58:07 Wrap Up Future Work
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