Episode # 71: How to Boost the Effects of Anti-Aging Skincare and Light Therapy

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Welcome to the Biohacking Superhuman Performance Podcast.
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My name is Natalie Nidom.
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I'm a nutritionist and human potential in epigenetic coach, and I created this podcast
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to bring you the latest ways to take control of your health and longevity.
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We cover it all from new technology to ancestral health practices, personalized interventions,
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and a very special interest of mine, peptides.
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Enjoy the show.
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Hey folks, welcome back for another episode.
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Today's episode is all about biohacking skin care, and my guest is Amitai Eshell.
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He is the CEO and co-founder of a company called Young Goose, and they make an incredible
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line of skin care.
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I've been using these products for a couple of months now, and I'm really impressed with
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my skin, my face, you know, it's almost like wrinkles are, I mean, it's not that they're
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disappearing, but they're not as defined, age spots, not as defined, like things are starting
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to fade.
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It's, and you know, full disclosure, this is part of my skin care stack.
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Someday I'll take you guys through the whole stack, but this, these products have really
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been phenomenal.
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So in this episode though, we don't just talk about these products.
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We talk about light therapy in skin care.
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We talk about the use of NAD for skin care.
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We talk about lots of different things, and Amitai is a really interesting guy, like this
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is a guy who started off high level military and somehow ended up in this beauty industry.
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And so he's combined these two passions of extreme performance, if you will, with beauty
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and brought the sensibility to the skin care industry that I think is quite unique.
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So it's a great episode.
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It's full of information.
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If you want to learn more about young goose as a brand, you go to younggoose.com.
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If you want to follow them on Instagram, it's young underscore goose underscore skin care.
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And if you want to get a deal, which they very generously extended to the listeners of
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this podcast on these products, you can go to, you can use the link bit.ly forward slash
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young goose 20 and use discount code superhuman20.
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And that will get you 20% off your purchase.
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And that's a code you can use over and over again.
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So really generous offer.
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I encourage you to take advantage of it.
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So thank you for being here.
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I totally appreciate you guys.
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If you're trying to connect with me, you know you can find me on Facebook in the biohacking
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superhuman performance group.
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You can find me on Instagram at Natalie Nidum.
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And of course through my website, natnidum.com.
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So thanks so much for being here.
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I really appreciate you guys and enjoy the episode.
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Hey folks, just a little bit of housekeeping before we launch into the episode.
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Please remember that all of the information provided in these podcasts is for information
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purposes only.
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We are never offering treatments, cures, whatever for any kind of disease or medical condition.
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Anything you hear about here is going to be intriguing.
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There's some research around it, but make sure that you check with your medical provider
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before you go off and do any of this stuff for yourself, all right?
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So enjoy the episode.
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And also if you're looking to connect with me for any reason with your comments, questions,
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whatever it may be, you can reach me through my website, which is natnidum.com or you can
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find me on Facebook in the optimizing superhuman performance group or on me week in the biohacking
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superhuman performance group.
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And of course, you can also follow me on Instagram, which is at natnidum, natnidum is with an
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H between the T and the A, the second A.
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So thank you so much for being here.
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Appreciate you guys.
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Enjoy the episode.
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Welcome, Amitaya Shell to the podcast.
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It is such a pleasure to see you again.
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The pleasure is all night.
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Yes.
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Well, we had the great pleasure of meeting at the Upgrade Labs Conference for the first
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time.
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And I got to tell you guys, Amitaya is one of these people that you meet who has such
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a breadth of knowledge in so many different areas that the first question we can only
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start with is how did you go from where you started to where you are today?
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Because you're such a wealth of information in so many different areas.
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And I don't even know that we talked about this so much when we met because I was so
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fascinated by your booth and the products in the booth that I just really wanted to know
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about that.
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Although we did talk about how you were a green beret, but I need the stories.
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So I tell us about you and your story.
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Yeah.
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So I think my story is not very special as far as my feelings have had or the way I made
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decisions.
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You know, throughout my life or my aspirations, but I do think that I've been very lucky in
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what interested me along the way and the choices I've made, which are obviously, you don't
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know what's going to happen in your future, but I feel very lucky about the choices I've
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made and where it led me.
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I'm originally Israeli.
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I grew up in what I call the West Virginia of Israel, which are the Galilee mountains.
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I normally like to say it because people immediately, you know, they have a flashback
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to some some rural mountainous green area and that's where I grew up.
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I grew up as a crow flies about less than a mile from the Lebanese border, very, very
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tense border growing up.
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And since I was a teenager, I wanted to be in the Israeli special forces.
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In Israel, when you grow up, that's a very, that's kind of putting you in the upper echelon
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of status or whatever that is.
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And that's a thought of a 14, 15 year old, right?
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You want to have high status.
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And so preparing my body for it, you basically get you start getting sifted and recruited to
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different special forces, forces entities since the age of 16 or especially 17.
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So I started preparing for that since I was 14, 15 and that definitely takes a toll on
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the body.
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I, you know, put myself through the ringer since I'm a teenager and God, God accepted
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into something equivalent to the Greek Baray's here.
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It's a unit called Egoz, which is the counter, counter guerrilla warfare units.
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And basically we practiced guerrilla warfare ourselves.
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And I ended up being in charge of the reconnaissance aspect in our, you know, basically I was a
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reconnaissance fighter for a while in that unit and then I ended up being the head of the
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reconnaissance division in our school, the real school.
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And along the way, I've accumulated a lot of injuries and I wasn't very nice to my body.
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So when I, you know, finished my military service in my early 20s by the time I was 23, I
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was, you know, I had the injuries accumulated like a 50 year old and being, being a somewhat
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over crazy guy, I'm obsessed with fighting with Jiu Jitsu, with exercise lifting.
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That took a lot out of my body and since I wanted to continue to do it for as long as, for
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as long as I can, I started to look into, started looking into modalities to improve or optimize
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my health and kind of mitigate some of the injuries and micro disabilities that I accumulated.
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And that kind of took me personally on the path to what now we know is biohacking back then,
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you know, 15 years ago or almost 20 years ago that didn't exist as a word as far as I know.
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But in my professional career, I got recruited into what is now a very repeatable haircare brand
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because we really get recruited out of the military to pretty high positions of leadership.
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And I didn't want to do what everyone else does, which is going to the tech industry.
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Yeah.
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I want to, you know, I'm a little bit, I think like most of us in our community, I'm a contrarian,
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so I wanted to do something else a little bit.
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So I was in, I was a retail director of a haircare company for a short time until it got sold out,
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got some money off of that and started the startup in the light therapy field,
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which now is integrated into one of the bigger companies in that field.
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And we saw that company as well.
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And since then, I've had different endeavors in the biohacking space,
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which I really consider my community and my extended family and from personal thoughts between you and I, Natalie.
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You know, I always, I always am very thankful and very appreciative to anyone who is contributing to our community
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and contributing to growing that community.
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And that is part of, you know, I feel like why we're talking here today because, you know,
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giving back to that community as far as education or, or, or updates on, on recent innovations in that field.
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I feel as part of the service that we, that I specifically, and I know you do too, we need to give back.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And you have a great podcast as well that, where you do that as well, right?
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Called biohacking beauty, which is a great angle.
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You have some great episodes in there.
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I was poking around earlier.
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Yeah, and the idea of the biohacking beauty, I, you know, having a, now we have a skincare brand, anyone knows about NAD.
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We kind of, um, have innovated in, in the field of NAD for the skin.
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But the idea is not necessarily to talk about skincare, you know, um, having a skincare brand.
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You learned that even though you consider yourself a biohacking skincare brand, 90% of your, of your clients are not bio.
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They're just people who, who are interested in, in looking younger and bio products.
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For those people, I feel, uh, a sense of, um,
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death to them to introduce them into the biohacking field and to also educate them that never mind what,
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doesn't matter what product they're going to use mine or anyone else's.
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They are not going to look younger if their other aspects of their health are not managed well.
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Uh, if they're not optimized, I think they're guts, there is no way they can, they can treat, for example, acne long term.
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Um, and, and we know it since, since we're teenagers, right, we should eat this, we shouldn't eat this.
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Uh, that's kind of self-experatory, but as we grow older in our, in our 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s,
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our relationship with inflammation, with environmental stressors, uh, heavy metals,
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oxidative stress, et cetera, the blue light from our screens obviously sleep and the,
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and what we call sleep hygiene or the quality of our sleep. Um, physical activity,
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all of those things, they play a much bigger role than, you know, applying a cream
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once or twice a day on our face. So biohacking beauty actually refers to
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everything else aside from, from our products. No, and I couldn't agree with you more. I think that,
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you know, we, as a society, we're always looking for the quick fix, we're always looking for,
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what do I do for this one thing? And, you know, this one thing doesn't exist in isolation.
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It's part of a much bigger thing. And, uh, the, and I've, I've often said, you know,
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because my podcast also is very, very focused on longevity and optimizing
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performance and health in the whole nine yards. But I'm like, yeah, I want to live
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a really long time. I want to be able to explore things. I want to be vital. I want to have
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all those things. And I'd prefer not to look like a raisin. But that's to your point. It's
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probably inside out, right? And, uh, and it has to do with all of the things that we do. And we see
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it, you know, I'll tell you a funny story. Well, not a funny story. It's a terrible story. But
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I have a neighbor who I had not seen since last summer. And, or the beginning, I think the last time
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I saw him was in May. And, um, I'm walking up the street not too long ago. And we have a rehab
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hospital not far from our house. And very often the, the patients from the rehab hospital
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walk around the street because we're in a very quiet neighborhood. So they're trying to get
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outside. They're trying to get some air. They're trying to get moving. And I see this little old
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man, you know, hunched over with a walker and a, and a big kid beside him, big younger man beside
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him. And I'm, you know, I'm thinking he's a guy from the rehab. And let me back up by saying that
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my, my neighbor is in his, I think he's in his mid 40s. And he's two and a big strapping strong guy.
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And the little old man looks up and smiles and says hello to me.
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And I realized that the little old man is my neighbor. Wow. Five months after I last saw him when
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he was a big, strong man. And I, I mean, you know, when you meet something, when you run into
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someone you haven't seen, you're like, oh, hi, how are you? You look great. And I was like, I,
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all I could say was what happened? And he suffered pancreatitis and was in the hospital for three
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months. And guys, if you, if you cannot imagine how this man aged in the few months since I last
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saw him from this internal condition, his skin, his hair, his teeth, like every aspect of his
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physiology, he'd lost, I think, probably 40 pounds, all of it muscle. It was really powerful.
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You know, I don't know how much of that he'll be able to recuperate. He obviously was very,
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very sick and is still fighting to get his health back. But it was a very incredible example to
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me. Like, we don't imagine that the body can age that much in that little time when things really
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go sideways. And that was quite something. So when we talk about, you know, I mean, obviously,
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he has bigger problems about how he looks. But when we talk about beauty comes from within
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in that physiological way, never mind your personality and not being a horrible person. But when we
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talk about beauty coming from within, you can't, we can't stress it enough that all of the things
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that you do are going to have a massive impact, regardless of what fabulous products you're using.
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Yeah. And I think it's, and what I, what I'm connecting with the most and what you said is that
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we can not stress it enough because this should be a type of mantra. Us as human beings were not,
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we didn't evolve and were not very good in understanding repercussions of accumulation of
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marginal gains or marginal decline. Yeah. We're very good at understanding quick fixes and
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silver bullets and 180 turnarounds. And that's how normally advertisement gets us.
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Let's do this. But yeah, it's exactly. Yeah. Exactly. But we're not very good in understanding how
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one cheeseburger a day is going to, you know, just think of Morgan's furlock and his super size
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me movie, how you can basically, you know, run your health down. And I think 30 days, I don't
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remember. Yeah, I wasn't very long for sure. Not, not very long. But so the example I love,
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love giving often is the, is the example, is a positive example, but the example of the British
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cycling team, which was not very good or did not win anything until, until a coach came to them and
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tweaked every aspect that he could just by a little bit. So very, very interesting things like
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bringing pillows that are that supported their head well anywhere they went. Yeah. And painting there,
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the trailer that they had where they fixed the bikes, painting it white so they can see every
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little piece on the floor or having, you know, tweaking different aspects by a few percentages.
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And since then that's that's the leading one of the leading
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bicycling teams in the world. No kidding. And that's called, yeah, that's called aggregation of
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marginal gains. Nice. And that is, that is my favorite example about biohacking. That's what we're
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trying to do. We're trying to elevate our health through tweaking as many aspects as we can
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in our lives. And, and that accumulation is what, what sets us apart from maybe the rest
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of aging society, if you would. Yeah. No, I love it. And it's, it's, it's very true. So let's,
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let's, so let's dig into this a little bit. So we're not going to talk too much about all those
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other little things because at the end of the day, although your expertise is vast, we're going to
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focus on the main areas. And before we get into actual skincare, one of your other areas of
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expertise that I think is really for lack of a better word hot right now is, is light therapy.
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Right. And you and I had some, a couple of really interesting conversations about this,
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both in Miami and then in, and in Orlando. And you have quite a broad body of knowledge in this
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area. So maybe we can talk because there's, you know, people are always wondering, and one of,
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one of the things we're seeing a lot of right now on, if you're on Instagram or on Facebook,
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and following a number of different biohackers, they're wearing these masks that have red light
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in them. So I'd love your take on that because maybe we, you can talk a little bit about your
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interest in red light because I mean, which doesn't, which makes a lot of sense because we know
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that different wavelengths can affect different, different layers of healing in the body, not just
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the skin. But maybe we can talk about that a little bit because I know you've talked to me about
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a couple of little devices that I'm like, okay, when can I get one of those? Yeah. And they're not
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things you sell. So I still know. Yeah. It's important to emphasize that currently I don't have any
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financial interest in any light therapy product. And but that is one of the areas that have,
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you know, have made me a more optimized individual and also has contributed to my financial success.
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So I'm very appreciated, appreciated of that field. And a lot of the times when we hear about
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something new to us like light therapy, we tend to think that it's new to to the world. So I think
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the most the most important thing to start with is to understand that light therapy or the effects
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of specific wavelengths on our body is something that has been around for centuries. But especially
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if we talk about the maybe our modern era and how it started relating to red light specifically,
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we should know that it started in the 60s and it's a very interesting story. So when blue light
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or blue lasers were researched, just by happenstance, normally when you do a research, you have a
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control group, a control group means a group of subjects that are not undergoing whatever therapeutic
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model you're aiming to research. And you can refer to them and kind of understand how
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someone would go along without without the therapy you're trying to use. And when they were using
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blue lasers, the control group decided to chose to shine. It was on mice by the way, but the control
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group was basically mice who were irradiated with red lasers. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, but that
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was a control group. They didn't know red lasers would do anything. And what did they hope the
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blue lasers were going to do? What was the what was the driver behind? Because there's benefits to
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all different. There's the green, the blue, the red. We only talk about the red. We tend to
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talk about blue as being bad because it's what comes out as from our computers and we talk about
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it aging the skin and doing all these different things. But what were in this case, they must have
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been researching the blue for some kind of benefit. Yes, I think it was dermisidol benefits which blue,
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of course, we know or we should know that it's very beneficial for acne. And for our eyes as well,
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I mean, we do need blue lights. Our eyes need blue light in order to start a few hormonal processes.
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So our body refers to blue lights as far as as cues that it needs from the environment.
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And a good example would be the fact that people in
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areas that they get less sun throughout the year develop seasonal effect disorder, which is
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actually dead sad. Yes. And with a with a kind of a natural or blue tinted lights,
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being exposed to the blue light, we can actually mitigate that element. But in that case,
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they were looking at the germicidal effects of blue light. So these mice just to finish the
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story, they were, their fur was, was shaving for that experiment. And the mice that got exposed to
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the red light, their fur grew twice as fast. And that was an anecdote from that, from that experiment.
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But we really have started seeing red light being used in the late 80s and 90s for mouth ulcers
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that weren't healing after chemo or mainly radiation, which are called, which are very,
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you know, very, very, very troubling. So when you're going through that, if they bother
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you eating, etc. Oh yeah, no, it's not. It contributes to the catexia. It contributes to all the
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issues around. And so, so red light has been, has been used for that, or red laser has been,
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has been used for that aspect of medicine for a very long time. And we've, we've started seeing
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applications and people using it for less, you know, medical straight up medical applications
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in the early 2000. And that's just kind of to set someone at ease if they're, they're going to go that
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down that rabbit of rabbit hole of light therapy. They should know it didn't start yesterday and
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they're substantiated science to back it up over well over 1000 articles being that have been
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published on, on light therapy or low-level laser therapy, red light therapy. It has a lot,
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photobionic relation has a lot of names. And in order to understand what the wavelengths of red
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and near infrared light specifically, what they do to our body, we need to understand
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one thing. First of all, just to let you know, I'm not talking about infrared sonas.
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No. That's very, that's very important because a lot of the times people conflict infrared sonas
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with light therapy. Yeah, well, they say if I have an infrared sona, do I need a red light therapy
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device? It's like, yes, they're different. Yeah, they're not only different. The, the, the rule is if
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something gets turned into thermal energy, it's not going to get utilized for chemical energy
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in our cells. And, and so that's just a, just an anecdote. So we need to understand a word called
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Hormesis. Hormesis is a word that that's growing in usage in popularity in our community and
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the scientific community in general. And I love Dave Asprey's little, little description which is
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literally this is the quintessential, but doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Absolutely. It's not
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really the, so it's not really the case with Hormesis. We can, we can not kill someone,
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but still, still harm them. But the, the, the idea is that that moderate amount of stress
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can signal our, our, our body can kind of supercom state our body can, can grow stronger from it.
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You can think of a, of a gym, right? We're stressing our muscles and our muscles grow.
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Yeah. Uh, thana, um, you know, maybe fasting. Bumaric is Hormetic, for example,
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exactly. And upregulates glutathione as a Hormetic response to the stress that,
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which a lot of people mess, right? They all think, oh, it's so good for you. And it is,
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but it isn't. And it's all good in the right amount at the right time for the right reasons.
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Yeah. And even mitzvormin, a diabetic drug and not only that drug, there are
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feels such as acarble. They're all Hormetic, so they're, they all apply that stress on different
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processes in the body. Uh, even, even, um, brought these powers to it. Yes. Uh, yes. So,
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so Hormesis is that, that aspect and light therapy is Hormetic. So a lot of times I,
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I like to describe the reason that our body can even use it. Uh, that if you look at the sun,
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when it's way up high, the sky, uh, don't look at the sun, okay? Uh, the, the sky would be,
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would be blue. Yeah. And when you look when the sun is close to the horizon, the sky has a red tint.
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And the reason is because the light has more atmosphere, which means water, it travels through.
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And water absorbs wavelengths, wavelengths of light. And what we're left with is red, which is not
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absorbed well by water. Mm-hmm. And through the ages, our body is thought to utilize that aspect of
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red light or near infrared, which is basically red light that we cannot see, okay? It's in the
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infrared spectrum, but we can look at it as, as a type of red light. Um, and that light also isn't
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getting absorbed by our body's water or other photo acceptors, photo receptors we have in the
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bodies, such as, uh, hemoglobin or melanin or, you know, different ones. What does absorb it
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is our mitochondria, a specific enzyme in the mitochondria. And, you know, everyone,
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everyone who has had, uh, some biology in high school can remember the same, uh, mitochondria,
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the powerhouse of the cell. Absolutely. So we can really, we can really think of, of the mitochondria
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as such. It's, it's the engine of our car, which is the cell. So if we want to go somewhere,
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we need to have a functioning engine and the better engine, the better functioning engine,
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it's going to get a safer, faster, more efficiently, et cetera. So like, so red and near infrared light,
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apply that for medic stress on our mitochondria on the oxygen utilizing part of the mitochondria.
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And through that, we, we basically are mitochondria kind of overreacting. You can take off the gym
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from the, like a gym free mitochondria. Yeah. So what it does, the mitochondria releases all the,
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kind of, uh, accumulated waste. Yeah. That it, that it accumulated. Yeah. And one important waste
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material is nitric oxide. So when we think of, uh, why it's healthy to drink each juice, uh,
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or bring through your nose or, you know, feeling it or why people take like free workouts,
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some of them, they have nitric oxide, uh, the ability to raise, yeah, to raise nitric oxide.
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So nitric oxide basically dilates our blood vessels. And, um, we can get more oxygenated blood
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wherever we want it, wherever we need it. So that's one aspect. The other aspect of light therapy
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is the fact that we increase ATP, which is literally cellular fuel. Um, and the third one is that
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we eliminate oxidative stress. So the, the combination of those three things, I think it's,
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it's kind of self-explanatory how the combination of those three things would create a healthy or
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tissue. Mm-hmm. And that's really what we're talking about. Obviously our skin receives it first.
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Yeah. So, um, we can talk about strategies to maybe, uh, have it received less of it or more of it,
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but it's important to know that that it is very beneficial for your skin.
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But I can give an example that the San Francisco 49ers, they have a room of red light therapy
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that helps them recover. And any major sports team by that, by this point, are using light therapy,
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it's self-capacity for recovery, their muscles. But really we can look at it for anything from
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benefits for blood vessels, collagen production, muscle recovery, reduction of inflammation,
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and even nerve, uh, cartilage and bone, they all can benefit from lighter. Um, yeah, so that's just
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like a maybe short lesson. But let's talk about these masks that everybody's wearing right now.
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Okay. So let's talk a little bit about because there's, you know, in the biohacking community,
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and I, you know, some of the people listening to this podcast have been following biohacking for a
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while. Some are a little bit newer. Some find the biohacking word very scary. Some think it's the
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best thing ever. But in the biohacking community, it's been a lot about these red light panels.
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And people have been talking about, and I think what's starting, what's becoming interesting is
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that people are, yeah, I want to live a long time and I, I want to look good at the same time,
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right? And I think it's also as the biohacking community is growing up and starting to age,
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yeah, they're starting to get to the point where they're like, and, you know, I'd be at the front
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of the pack here. I'm like, okay, this is great. I want to live a really long time. I want to be
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kicking ass. And also I'd like to look okay at the same time. So red light has really come to the
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forefront as a tool that we can use because it upregulates the production of collagen. Like in
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addition to all of the other things that you were just talking about, there are aesthetic benefits
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to it as well. So those masks, can you want to talk to me a little bit about those masks? I know
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you're going to start shaking your head. No problem. But in general, we really, you know, it doesn't
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matter if we have a dollar in our bank account or 100 million dollars in our bank account. We don't
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want to be a sour, right? We don't want to be a fool and invest in the wrong thing.
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So when we look at those, what we want to look when we consider a light therapy device tool,
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whatever that may be, mask, we really want to look at the amount of stimulation we're getting
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for what price. And also what other benefits we can get from it, how versatile
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a said device is, right? Yeah. And those masks, let's just start with the fact that they're not
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versatile. That's maybe a wonderful. Yeah. Exactly. So today you want your skin to look better.
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And tomorrow you heard your knee running or you develop plantar fasciitis. And
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we would obviously want one tool if we could that would treat all of those and not having to have,
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you know, a closet full of essentially the same technology applied to different areas. So
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that's the first thing I'm going to say about those masks. The second thing is
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as a general rule, they're not strong enough. Okay. Yeah. As a general rule,
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if you so I'm going to I'm going to give a lot of examples that are about the gym because
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it's easiest. So as a general rule, when we look at stimulation, we have a lower threshold and
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we have a higher threshold. So if I pick up my phone and I'm going to try to lift it over my head,
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me becoming a bodybuilder is to be very good. Right. But if I try to lift, I don't know that the
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minute hotel room, so that that that that the book should be out. Yeah. Whatever it is,
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I'm going to injure myself and that's going to be counterproductive as well. So we're working
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with these within these parameters. And within like therapy, we more we want to look more
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at accumulation rather than rather than like trying to reach the higher threshold. Yeah. So these
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masks can can be okay if they are strong enough. But I'm telling you from a manufacturer's point
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of view, they are all made in China by specific manufacturers and then they slap a brand name on them.
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And none of them are strong enough, not even remotely. Okay. So they may be able to give benefits
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over time, but you're not going to get very profound benefits. And they're just on average, they
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cost a few a few hundreds of dollars. And there are better devices that are going to give you
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those effects or the same amount of money and that you can use in different places. And so amazing.
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So in terms of before we move on to what those might be, in terms of the benefits that you can get
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from red light. So we were talking about this earlier and you know, we're going to talk about
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the different aspects of aging that that affects and everybody's you know, because it's what we see
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everybody's obsessed with the skin. Right. So the skin is the first thing that we observe. But I
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will tell you that as over the last couple of years, particularly in the last year, what's really
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come to my attention is that the infrastructure under the skin is probably where we want to be spending
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a bit more time and energy addressing because you know, mother nature, gravity will have its way
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with us. Things will start to slide. Things move from one place to another bone structure,
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starts to diminish as well. Can red light not the mass necessarily, but the right red light,
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can that help to address what's happening underneath as well as not just on top? Because you talked
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about earlier, you know, it stimulated hair growth for the mice. It was amazing. We have a lot of
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people who for many reasons lose their hair as they age or after an illness. There's a particular
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illness around at this time that seems to have that effect on certain people. And but can it get
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below? Yes. So the answer is yes. And we can we can even biohack that and I'll talk about it in a
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second. But firstly, our face, even though we're we see our skin, right? So there is a reason
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beauty maintenance is called skin care. But our skin is being just like a house, the house walls
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are not necessarily the paint on the house or the outer layer. Only you need to have infrastructure,
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as we said, our our face and our youthful appearance also relies on a few things. Our fat
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face and that fat starts to deplete over time, specifically air or the structure of that fat. So
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for example, the structure here starts to deplete over time and then it doesn't support the
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the skin in the same way. We start our muscle mass starts to diminish.
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glycation, decreased collagen production and repair, epigenetical mistakes or corruption of
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epigenetic material, et cetera. So so red light can actually influence many many many different
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aspects of of youthful appearance. And one of the things I would like to emphasize that maybe you
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and I will when we're talking about how we look, we are talking about the skin of our face,
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but we these these processes and effects are happening in the rest of our body as well. And maybe
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now in Canada it's probably getting cold and no one's going to wear a bikini right now, but
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that's the next week. So us living in Miami year around you also care about how your your
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the skin on your body, how it's draped over your body, if you would. So yeah, so light therapy can
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affect different aspects, even though we we like to say that most of the absorption is three
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millimeters in the tissue. That's going to be kind of where our subcutaneous fat or our hypodermist,
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which is the innermost layer of the skin. That's where they reside. That's kind of where it's going
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to reach mostly, but but there are what we call cascade of metabolic events that that
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that goes deeper. Yeah, and also some of the light does reach our deeper tissue as we stated before.
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So that's why it's important to have maybe a higher power than than just the minimum threshold.
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We do want to reach those inner layers and there are even so there was a study published recently
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and also written about in prominent newspapers of how light therapy can help with dementia.
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Yes, yes, and there is even a company that there are a couple of companies. One of them is
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by light. Another one is a is a friend of mine, which is a company that is now being kind of
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funded through Indiegogo, which is a crowdfunding website, which is called Sarah with a C.
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And they work on C-E-R-O, C-E-R-A. Oh, Sarah, C-E-R-A. And what do they make?
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They make a photo biomodulation for the brains. So actually for the brain and for the gut.
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Yeah, I heard about this. Yes. And so the best way to refer to light therapy is
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PBM or photo biomodulation, which photo means light, bio means our biology modulation,
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obviously means the modulation of it. Yeah. So that's a good way to describe it like therapy,
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but we'll go back and forth as far as referring to it as such. So you could even reach the brain with
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wavelengths to our little bit longer, who are in the near infrared spectrum,
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such as 810 or 850. And that is why now that we're going to go into with your permission into
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devices that I do like, they can be versatile. So for example, I meditate with a light therapy
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panel very close to my head. And through my bio strap, I can see improvement in my,
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had you meditation metrics? Yeah. Yeah, in my meditation metrics. So I love simple panels.
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Okay, everything that is not a simple panel is basically a simple panel broken down into a more
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pliable slash easier to use application. But that normally means that it would be more expensive
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for the same amount of full times we're going to get eventually into our skin.
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So if we're talking about return on investments, light panels, such as
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we can name names of companies if you would like, but light panels, we have
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Juve is probably the most popular one. They've asked me, I started his own company recently.
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There is a company that I like just because of their warranty and their time that they have
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been in business, which is Platinum LEDs. They're probably the... Yeah, I've heard of them.
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So that's normally when people ask me off the top of my head what they should get.
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Normally, I refer them to Platinum LEDs. And even ones that are really on the
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kind of really on the upper end of the power output that people should be using, which is
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Chroma. That's probably for the real explorers out there. It's a device that can burn you if
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you're not careful. Yeah, so we have to be paying attention to those. You have to be. And you have
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to know that I'm a pretty extreme person, so I need to pace myself sometimes. But you have to
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know it about yourself if you are one like that and take it into account. But basically what we're
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talking about is the amount of photons our body gets. And that would be it. So if you're wearing,
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if you're taking a mask or you're buying masks or a panel, whatever that may be, what we want to
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do eventually is accumulate a simulation that is worth 50 to 100 joules in general. Okay.
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In your total treatment time. In your total treatment time. Yes.
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Yeah. Okay, so as far as how to use something like that, it's pretty easy.
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You just stand in front of it. And the further you are away from it, the less penetration
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you're going to have. Yeah. Well, that is one of the criticisms I think that a lot of the panels
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get is that so much of that power is dissipated into the room, right? And so I mean, I myself
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have a Juve panel, and I've used it for a number of years. And at the beginning, at the end of
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last year, one of the first podcasts that I recorded was with a company that has introduced a new
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type of device in the photo bio-manjulation world that I would say is certainly for
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various injuries and for applying to my gut and different parts of my body. I have found to be
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way more effective. I've gotten way more banged for my buck from this thing. And nothing against
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Juve, like in a perfect world, maybe you have both because the nice thing about a panel is you can
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get full body exposure, whereas with this little guy, which is, you know, I mean, not that I want to
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advertise it, but this is the flex beam. I can put it on, and it has different modalities. So
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you can adjust how deeply by the, it's by the length, the wave length, that it's delivering,
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and the way that it's delivering it, it's going to, it's going to go deeper into the system.
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So yeah, I think that, I mean, at the end of the day, picking your red light devices really about
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to your point and you started with this, you know, like the mask maybe is a little bit too limiting
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and you just don't need that. Like you can get it done with a panel or even with this flex beam
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just by holding it in front of your face, you know, like just right here, and you'll get the benefits.
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It'll be way more powerful. You won't have to spend as much time and then you can do lots of
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other things with it as well. Yes, yes. First of all, you're 100% correct. And what do you like? So
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rule of thumb stars, when we do look at light therapies and their different
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structure or the devices that use them, if you could hold the flex beam again to the camera,
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we'll see that it has like huge vents in the back of it. Yeah. And that's that's something
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that's something important events and fans obviously that pull the device. And that's kind of
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something important to remember that if it would be strong enough, this is a device that would
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need a type of a cooling system that is going to be expressed by open event, open air vents
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and fans running while the device is running. Okay. So if we see a panel, a mask, anything that
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doesn't have a cooling system, it's probably either not strong enough or barely strong enough. Okay.
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So that's just as a rule of thumb. Yeah. Now, obviously the flex beam is an amazing device.
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And obviously it's very, very, very easy to use. You could just wrap it around the body parts.
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And it's powerful. You can take it with you. It's portable, which a panel wouldn't be very
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not so much. No. No. But but just because because I believe the panel has a panel has so many
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different applications from exposing specific body parts to exposing our whole body to it and
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getting kind of a holistic benefit, you know, either or would be great. Yeah. Now, something
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important to emphasize and to your point, in light therapy, the larger area we expose ourselves to,
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the lower the stimulation we get per centimeter squared, her body. It's not only about the strength,
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it's also about how our body reacts to this stimulation. Okay. I'm not going to bore you with
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signs of it because it's quite boring. But basically just try to remember it should be like a sharp
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and knife. Exactly. A concentrated effect on a specific area. We want to have it very concentrated.
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But if we just want holistic benefits, we can expose our whole body to it. Yeah.
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Yeah. So that's about that. Maybe I would say the last thing about light therapy that I really,
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really like is it's effect on hair growth, which I know a lot of people care about. So if you're
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remember, I did mention the fact that it dilates blood vessels, which is one of the best things about
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it actually. And what happens especially to men, but not necessarily only is that the accumulation of
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DHT, which is a derivative of testosterone, which coats our hair follicle and deprives it from blood.
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And that's how those hair follicle, you know, kind of, they start to die. Yeah.
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They get start, start out. Yeah. The blood doesn't reach them. They become more fragile and they die
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eventually. So what light therapy does by dilating those blood vessels, we can have more blood
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reach the hair follicle. And especially if we can combine it with a DHT blocker and there are a lot
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of them on the market. So anything from, you know, there are different.
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Benastorite and. Benastorite, for example. But even if you want to go the more
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holistic route, you can even, you know, to some extent do it with DHKCU and in micro,
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and in micro. Micronidling? Yeah. Micronidling roller. Even though my dermatologist's parents don't
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like when I recommend a, an at home micro needling roller. Yeah. You could do it.
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Well, there's a company that I spoke to recently and they have a hair restoration serum.
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And what they do is they actually have a stamp. And I wonder if the stamp might be a little less
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injurious because the problem with the roller and the home ones is they can, I think what a lot of
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people don't like about them is they can tear the skin a little bit. Whereas the stamp might be a
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little bit more direct. Also, if you have hair, it's not going to wrap your hair around the roller and
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extract the hair as you're trying to. The hair follicles that are damaged.
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What I would, what I would say about those stamps is that they are again, they're
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they're making, they're making China, they're shifting up in very large quantities.
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They're screwed on a vial basically. And when you stamp your hair, there are ones where the
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face is left, for example, you're getting those. Like a delivery. Exactly. Very, very important
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that when you get one, you submerge it into, in alcohol, you sanitize it. Okay, that's that's kind
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of my, my two cents about that. And we have played with that in our skincare company as a model
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delivery for a peptide called, sorry, that's called BPC157 to the skin. And we're, we're going to
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get it. We're going to come out with it eventually. We just have so many things in our pipeline that
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to our episode. Let's move into skincare now because we've been talking about red light and light
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for a long time and it's all been very educational and informative. Can I just say one more thing?
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One last thing. Yes. One last thing. We did speak about exposing a large area, getting less
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benefits, smaller area, getting more benefits. And part of that mechanism is because we deal with
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free radicals when we deal with or free radical release when we deal with light therapy and
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by supplementing on free radical scavengers such as green tea, EGCG, which is a free radical
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scavenger in green tea, we can improve the results of light therapy. Yes.
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Okay. So that's kind of a great topic to summarize it. Yeah, no, that's a great point. I also
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like molecular hydrogen for that because it will scavenge and it's selective. You know, it doesn't
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get rid of all the oxidation. It's selective and so and you want some, but not too much. So
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sometimes and maybe and maybe not use any kind of old zone. Really think devices slash
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creams, whatever that may be, when you're using light therapy or maybe trying to start. Yeah.
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Yeah. Even trying to separate them by five, three to five days. Oh, interesting.
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Search shows. Okay. Just saying. Okay. So you wanted to talk a little bit about us here.
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Well, I want to talk about skincare because ultimately that is currently your project. That is
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that is the brand that you and you know, with the guy with a person like you who has gone into
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so many different directions, it's always interesting to see where do you end up putting your focus,
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right? Yes. You're going to put your focus really where you feel you're going to be able to
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deliver the most benefit for your audience or your clientele. And you know, one of the many
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things that I love about your skincare, number one is you use peptides and you even talk about
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BPC157 as a future, which I'm very interested about because BPC157, we know it for wound healing
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for musculoskeletal repair for gut healing for brain recovery for all those things. But as a wound
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healer, which is where you're looking at these regenerative properties for the skin,
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it doesn't get nearly as much attention. So I will be really interested to learn about that
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when you come out with it. But in the meantime, you have this incredible line of skincare, which
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I've been using now for, I don't know, maybe three weeks, not not quite since when we met,
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but not long after. And again, look, you know what guys, like I'm not 20 years old, like I'm 50,
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seven, I'm going to be 58. I'm not saying it's on time. And so, am I going to see my
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skin completely transform in three weeks? No, you know what, 58 years of life being a lifeguard,
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doing all the things that I've done is not going to come undone. But certainly in terms of what I've
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seen, I really like the products. But now let's, but there, but you have a very unique approach
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to what you're helping the skin with. And from from the the tripeptide, the copper peptide,
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GHKCU, right through to using NAD. And so talking about how those, is it how NAD becomes
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bioavailable to skin cells? How deep does it go? Are you addressing the salvage pathway of NAD?
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Like all of those different aspects. Let's talk. Okay. Fantastic. So first of all,
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something, just I believe that one of the original biohacks is skincare. Any skincare is biohacking.
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The fact that we call ourselves, so my brand's called Young Goose. Yeah. And we call ourselves the
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world's first biohacking skincare. That's a lie. Every skincare is biohacking. Okay. You know,
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probably when we lived in caves, we smeared mud, mud for sure, but also fat on our face. That's
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biohacking. We are using the environment or parts of the environment to affect our biology and
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the expression of our biology. So we're just saying it because we're the first one addressing
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this biohacking. Yeah. So when we started, we've been, we've been formulating for other companies
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for a very long time under the brand name for Mrs. Just like we spoke about. So we literally
571
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owned the trademark for her Mrs. is in skincare cosmetics. Yeah. But when we wanted to make a brand
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which we would build upon which people would recognize, the problem was that a week before we
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registered it for other areas, we've someone registered it for supplements. No. Yes.
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So we decided to call an audible and look for a different name because we don't know how the
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other company is going to be and we don't want to be associated with another company. And it's
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confusing anyway. But so why are young goose? Why goose? So yeah.
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Young I get. But why are goose of all things? It's a twofold. So I used to be called
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a goose stack in the day, but it's not for that specifically. My partner who is
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very wealthy individual and can afford the good things in life has a lot of things with the
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work goose in them or his family. So they wear golden goose shoes and they drink gray goose and
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they have a kind of the goose jacket. And he said, you know, goose sounds good. It's popular. And
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I was like, you know what? It's an excellent business individual. Let's call it young goose. We call
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it young goose. And we love to be unique. And the name is unique. It sure. Well, it's yeah,
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it's definitely memorable. That's for sure. And and what, you know, normally when you look at
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market and if I can describe the meta of skincare, the kind of the rules in retail, normally you
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do not want to educate the customer. You want to go for what the customer what is hot right now in
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the market and give the customer what they already are looking for. And we decided to break the rules
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as we like doing. And to do the exact opposite, to look at what is the most effective
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modality that is available right now in the world. And and and create products that we know would
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be the most efficacious. And that is the route we went to. So the first development we we had was
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for NAD. So NAD just in two words or in a sentence, NAD is to the mitochondria. What the
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mitochondria is to us or to our body or to ourselves. Okay. So that powers the mitochondria. It declines
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with age. And that decline literally is the one of the biggest culprits in aging because we don't
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have the fuel we need. And really, if you want to look at what aging is or skin specifically, but
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other aspects of aging as well, it's the accumulation of unrepaired damage. So when our body
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cannot repair itself, these damages accumulate, that's what we feel is aging from a vehicle to our
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knee hurting, et cetera, how they just food it's. Yes, it's universal currency of aging.
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Correct. So, so normally, so just to give you an idea from the publicly traded company that makes
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NAD supplements, which is true in engine or chromatics is the company owns it. We know that is
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they sell for about a quarter billion dollar a year, just to give you an idea how how big that
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industry is. And we're not even talking about other companies who don't their numbers are not
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published, published and IVs of people doing NAD, et cetera, the problem with NAD as part of
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fermentation and even an IV is that your skin doesn't enjoy much of it. Most of it gets gets to
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our liver and the rest gets delivered into our muscles, our brain, our skin is very is not well,
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it's it's not a high priority to the body. Exactly. Right. To the body, the body is going to
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prioritize the organs it needs to survive and to function. Right. As far as your body is concerned,
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skin, yeah, whatever. Yeah, another thing is that this process is not a clean process. Our body
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has no idea what NAD is when we give it to our bodies used to making NAD from building blocks of
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NAD, which are called prepersors. Okay, so their our body knows what to do with building blocks of
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NAD, but not with NAD as a whole. So you'll see maybe like just a PSA, okay. You'll see two types of
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of ways to elevate NAD right now in the world that are popular. One is straight up NAD. The other one
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are NAD precursors and the main ones are NR and NMN nicotine in my riboside and nicotine in my mononucleotide.
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There are financial interests in both sides. So you'll see, you know, publication saying this is
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better, this is better from a skeptics point of view. They're both very very similar, okay. So the
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body knows what to do with these two, but less with straight up NAD and I'm going to just maybe
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remark that it's different in the brain. So when we talk about the brain, we can we can our
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brain can use NAD wholly as a whole. But again, as we said, doesn't matter what we give prepersors
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straight up NAD, our sins not going to enjoy it very much. So what we did was we developed
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together with a professor in the Weissman Institute, which is similar to it's a technological
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institute that's that's very very very very successful. A lot of Nobel laureates came out of there.
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It's in Israel. I like to describe it as the Israeli MIT. Yeah, so a lot of good research comes
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out of there. A lot of research on the gut on the microbiome. They published a lot of really
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interesting stuff over the last few years. I'm very embarrassed. So it's definitely
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contributed to our community and to the world of health. And it's continuing to do that. It's an
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amazing place. So we basically made a topically available version of those prepersors.
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There are other products in the market that again, because NAD is starting to become popular are
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using NAD in their formulation. The problem is, as we said, especially in our skin, our skin
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doesn't have connections. It doesn't have the pathways to usher NAD into the cell where it needs it.
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It does have, however, highways for those prepersors. So what we do is we break down we basically
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break down NAD to these prepersors. We wrap them in vehicles for that highway. We wrap that we
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lighten them. And we now size them and lighten them. So they're small enough to get into our
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into our skin through our pores. And then they are stable enough to drive on that highway and
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get into the cell where then in our cell, they are being built into NAD. That's...
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When you lie offelize them, you're giving them the ability to come across the cellular membrane,
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right? Which is... Actually, that's not necessarily why. The reason is because, especially in R,
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they're not very stable. So they are very reactive. And they're naturally occurring molecules in
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the body. So, for example, we're just going to talk about another patent that exists for NR as
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a supplement. The patent is not on NR. You cannot patent something that is naturally occurring in
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the body. The patent is on the stabilizing method of NR. Actually, there are already two of them. So
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Nestle invested... And we have a history of talking about Nestle, but Nestle invested millions of
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dollars into research in stabilizing NR. And what we did is we basically isolated NR and NMN
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from its reactive environment by... Li-offerizing NM or Li-polizing NMN. But we can look at
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Li-polization from anything from supplements to certain inoculations that are popular now in the
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world that needs to be liable. Yeah, but we won't talk about because we don't have enough hours
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in the day for that. So it's in a little little transport vehicle, let's say, so that stabilizes it,
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gets it into the cell. So then how does it get freed so that it's now useful to the mitochondria,
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once it's in there? So it actually gets degraded. It gets degraded when it travels through that
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highway. These are biomedic lipids. So these lipids actually are being utilized by the skin
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and our cells. And what we are left with when that molecule is ushered into the cell is a free
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form of precursors of building blocks of NAD, which then the cell can very easily use in order to
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create NAD out of it. And NAD, just to let you know, is involved in over 600 processes in our body.
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And just emphasize how important it is, if we take it magically out of the body,
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that person would be dead in 30 seconds. So it is a very important molecule that does a lot more than
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just supporting energy. A lot of different processes actually rely on NAD. They refer to NAD
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even if to work or not. So one of them, and people would probably be familiar with the book
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Lifespan by David Sinclair, Professor David Sinclair from Harvard and the Sinclair Lab, of course,
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in Harvard, talking about Sir Twins, which are, I adopt them our anti-aging genes, but called
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longevity genes, and they make sure that the information from our DNA is correct.
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But it depends on that DNA damage. Correct, yes. So they literally have some kind of, I'm going to
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recently describe it, but basically they look at the amount of an idea available to them, and
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they're not even going to work if there's not enough NAD. Before they even use it.
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So that is a main aspect of our technology or our formulations. Our formulations are what
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we call stacks. Sir Twins activated compounds. Sir Twins activated compounds. So NAD or the
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precursor of NAD in our formulation is meant to support those Sir Twins genes and the
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subsequent proteins enzyme they've been called. And specifically delivered to skin cells.
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Correct, yes. Because to your point, you just, you can use Sir Twins activators
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systemically. The skin is kind of low man on the totem pole. So you're just, it's just not
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going to get there. So, and again, I mean, this is what I think captures people when they
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talk to you is, and these are the questions that don't get us. So often, yes, you've got all
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these great ingredients in your skincare, but how do you know it's getting to where you need it,
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where the, where the body is actually going to use it for what you want it to be used for.
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So we've just talked about how we're getting NAD to the cell and into the mitochondria so that it's,
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you know, hopefully the mitochondria says, amazing, mitochondria doesn't give a crap about
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anything else. It's just, in the L, it's just going to take what it needs. What else, there's,
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there are other aspects to this skincare that make it quite revolutionary. So let's, let's talk
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about, because I asked you earlier about the NAD salvage pathway. And then this end, I, this
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ends, I'm CD 38, which up regulates as we age and it chews through more of our NAD. So I'm going
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to guess from the look on your face that you've thought of that too and addressed it. So we are
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addressing it and we love addressing it. And also that is obviously we're getting into the,
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with the weed theorem of NAD and our body. So that's our passion and our love. And, you know,
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supporting NAD in different ways is what we are aiming to do. So 38, we can really look at it as
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what breaks down NAD in our body and through different infections, maladies and just plain old
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aging, it gets more prominent in the body and breaks down more NAD, which then our body works very
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hard to recycle, but that is not a very efficient, clean process. So we lose a lot of NAD in that
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process. So one of the things that down regulates CD 38 is apigenin, which is the X, that's what makes
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you sleepy in chamomile. In chamomile. Yes, in no, no, in chamomile. Oh, chamomile. Okay.
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So in chamomile, yes. So what we do, but we do need to down regulates CD 38 pretty frequently
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in low doses. So in our cleanser, we have introduced chamomile extract, which is rich in apigenin,
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which will down regulates CD 38 because we want people to do it on a regular basis.
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What we also have, that that's not related to CD 38, but what it does relate to is the usage of
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NAD is we use resveratrol. Obviously, we're not the only ones who use resveratrol. The problem
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with, and you know, as you know, and as advertised by David Sinclair, resveratrol is an
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amazing polyphenol, which you can think of as an antioxidant. So it's an amazing antioxidant.
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What it also does, it also ramps up surgery activity. The problem with that is that our skin
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cannot really break it down. It lacks the enzymes that we have in our digestive tract,
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but break down resveratrol and use it. And it's not terribly bioavailable.
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It isn't. It's a tough one. Not only that it's a tough one, it actually in very mild
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concentrations is toxic for our skin, for those reasons. So what we did in order, or the patent we
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used in order to bypass that and make it more bioavailable and less toxic is fermentation. So
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actually we ferment, we ferment there is veratrol and make up that enzyme that our skin lacks in
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the fermentation process, which makes it significantly less toxic. Or if we want to use numbers, it makes
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it 50 fold less toxic and more bioavailable. Wow. That's impressive. And that's in all the
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products. So we're basically a line of products that is called HERO, which are HERO products.
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And in both our day and night cream, we have that resveratrol, fermented resveratrol, enhanced
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resveratrol. And our night cream would have our, our, and our noble, which is our NAD precursor,
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the patent that we use. The reason we do it at night, even though I use it twice a day,
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the reason we do it at night is because NAD actually peaks eight hours after supplementation
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absorption, that may be. So we actually want to have a peak in the morning and then when we use
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our day cream that has a significant amount of resveratrol, we use that NAD as much as we can,
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which is, which is important to emphasize that our day cream is very, very, very careful and should
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be used gradually. I really like it. Great. I didn't have any problems with it at all.
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Where's the GHK? So the GHHCU, we use in our eye cream. The reason is, is because
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as a startup, as a startup, as far as a brand, we wanted to make sure we're, we're giving
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results first and then introduce the more longevity, promoting ingredients such as in our noble,
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our patented NAD precursor clicks. So at the moment, our eye cream, which is called eye care,
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has what we call new age peptides or a very advanced peptide. So it does have
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GHKCU, which is called copper tripeptide one, which is an amazing peptide. It increases
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collagen production. It also dilates blood vessels. Amazing. But it also has a complex of other peptides
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that combat something called glycation, which in just to put it simply means that our skin becomes
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thinner, but also more rigid. So if you, when we smile and we have those lines that are staying
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there for a while or those more harder patches in our skin, that is caused by glycation.
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And that is what our eye cream combats. The good news are, as we speak, the new addition of our
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eye cream already will have the patented NAD precursors within it. So one thing that I know that a
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lot of the people who listen to this podcast have been, you know, they've been geeking out on
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on peptides for a while, the copper peptides and all that. And one of the things that they've
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been told and that we've been told is if copper peptide is in a product, it will be blue.
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And like it'll be cobalt blue. And I know that you're very, like you're not in it to say, oh,
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you know, we waved a little bit of GHKCU over the vat and hope that some of it would fall in.
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Like if I know anything about you at this point, if there's GHKCU in there, it's at a concentration
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that will be meaningful. And yeah, it's the cream is not blue. So can you talk to us a bit about
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that? Because I think that that will be one of those things people will look at it. Not blue.
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Yeah, first of all, if you want a little like a method to know, you know, how what's the
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concentration of acumen gradients in the product? Just look at the back of the product, whatever is
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higher on the list. So you'll see copper peptide, one GHKCU is very high up that list.
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And the reason that our product is not blue is because we have other active ingredients there
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that have different colors. So GHKCU is definitely cobalt blue or I don't know, yeah, cobalt blue
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is a good way to describe it. It's a bright blue. Yes, but what you really want to consider is
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high high high concentration of it will be between 5 to 8%. It means that if it doesn't,
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if it does have only that blue tint, it means that it doesn't have much else in it.
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Yes. And our other peptides, which are predominantly milky white, such as metrixal 3000,
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in which is a pro college and peptide and other peptides. And also our other ingredients,
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kind of skew that color towards the yellow or kind of milky yellow color with a slight
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blue tint if you look at it in the light. It's almost like a shimmer. It's interesting. When you
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look at that eye cream, it's almost like jelly a little bit. It's a beautiful texture, but it's
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you know, and I'm trying to put as little a pump on my finger as possible. So yeah, um, just
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just consider the fact that if you see a blue color, it means that there's not
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in that. It's just not much. Yeah, exactly. So when one of the things we talk about in skincare,
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and that's I think really important to mention here is as important as what's in the skincare is,
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what's also very important about skincare is what's not. Yeah. And I don't know if you want to
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talk about that a little bit like both in terms of what people should look for that to not be in
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their skincare and and how your skincare is formulated to kind of maybe stay away from some of
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those bad actors where, you know, you're kind of doing something really good on the one hand,
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and then on the other hand, you've got this this nasty additive. This is actually added like aging
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or damaging. It's a little bit like sunscreen, right? All these people flopping on all this
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sunscreen that is added to very core carcinogenic, really tragic. So yeah, I would love to talk
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about the SPF in general, but before we do that, let's let's again, what I you know, what I
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appreciate about our communities, how people are, you know, investigative in nature and they
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do their own research. So what I would always suggest doing when you look at the back of a box,
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you should definitely be googling and looking at each ingredient and see how it affects your skin,
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which is very important because sometimes as much as we have, you know, people pushing their agenda,
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agenda as far as active ingredients that are positive, sometimes also,
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completely, completely irremarkable ingredients, and also, but not very harmful ingredients to get
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a bad rap, just because some company decided to kind of, you know, put on their flag the fact that
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they don't have just filling the blank. That's a really interesting point. You're the second
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person who's mentioned that to me. So let's talk a little bit about some of that before they kick
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out. So for example, we use a type of silicone in our coating that evaporates when it
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meets the skin. And this, this is for example, something we're using where we do get a lot of
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questions as far as, oh, I saw a type of silicone in your skin care. So our silicone, for example,
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is doesn't really reach your skin, by the way, and is one of our innovations.
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But what we are trying to stay away from is any bio-modulating ingredients, ingredients that
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by applying our skin care once a day or twice a day or as many times as you would like,
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you would be accumulating in your skin and accumulating very, very small amount of stressors
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and damage that would lead to worse outcomes. So when we formulate our skincare, we do emphasize,
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as much as we emphasize the active ingredients that we have there, we emphasize
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research on ingredients that shouldn't be there, which is very, very important to us because we do
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look at the body of the whole in our skin as a whole as an organ that needs to be cared for.
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And we don't want just beautiful result. We want also a healthy, vibrant organ.
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So in using my youngest regimen, which I, you know, I love the texture and all that stuff,
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what can I hope to see over time? Is there going, should I expect, you know, and assuming all the
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things that we started talking about at the beginning of the podcast that I'm doing all these other
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things, I may even, I may or may not use GHK as a peptide subcutaneously injected,
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subcutaneously, and doing all the other things that I do. What I'd be seeing is it, because I feel
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like there's different ways that that skincare is going to work. Some of it is going to stop
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further damage from occurring. How much can we, or can someone like me think about, can we
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reverse some of this skin damage? Like, can we see an improvement? I mean, it's not going to go
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back to where I was when I was 40 or 35, but would I, can I expect to see a slowing of damage and
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then maybe a turning back? Or is it really just let's stop you here? Which, you know, wouldn't be the
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worst thing. And we're just going to try not to really slow that damage and progression down.
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Yeah, so that's an awesome question. I love that question. And we should look at a few things
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here. It's not, it's not that simple. Okay, so we definitely should be seeing a more glowing
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tighter and a fuller, plumper looking skin, which would then affect how our wrinkles look.
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Right. We should look at a better distribution of the pigment melanin, which definitely will
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impact our blotchy or pigmented our skin looks. And that, those are effects that we should be seeing
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within a month to two months. But really, when we want to look at reversing the apparent signs of
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aging, we actually need to re-injure the skin and then have the skin repair itself better. So,
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for example, we have a retinal, which we call bio retinal because it does have those biomemetic
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lipids that repair skin barrier while you use it. And that is a product that damages the skin
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a little bit. And then the skin can recover better. And especially by using those NED precursors,
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et cetera, and GHKCU and peptides in our creams, we can then support that healing process better.
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And that also relates to using or having other procedures done as far as microneedling,
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radio frequency, which I don't necessarily recommend. IPL, laser resurfacing, et cetera, et cetera,
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the reason. What about PRP? PRP. So, PRP, actually, when you want to look at it, the PRP is not,
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when we talk about skin rejuvenation and not necessarily about, like, how do you stop my knee from
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hurting? So, PRP. No, no, no, just talking about skin rejuvenation. When we talk about skin rejuvenation,
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we are actually looking at microneedling and then using PRP afterwards. So, the microneedling part
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is the part of that control damage. And then the PRP is supposed to do what our skin care
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products do, which is support the healing process of the skin heals better than it healed before
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when it accumulated that damage-based thing. So, what I would like to say when we look at that
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aspect is that there is a given take. When we create damage, we exhaust some of the mechanisms
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of healing that are stored in our cells. So, when we, you can think of the reason we
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develop or that we have gray hair, we've exhausted the replenishing stem cells
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that are in the base of our hair follicle, just as a heuristic example. And we're doing something
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also in our skin. We're exhausting what we call the high-flip limit. So, the amount of times
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our skin can, of our cells can split and regenerate. So, be mindful of the regenerative procedures
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that you're doing. Make sure that when you're doing them, you're supporting the healing process
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with good diet, good habits, sleep, et cetera, because you don't want to do them over and over
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and over and over again. You want to do them mindful. Yeah, well, and also, you know, there's some
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interesting in the world of peptides. We also have this interesting world of bio-regulator peptides
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and one in particular called epitalon, which is from epithelamin, which as one of its
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hallmark benefits that's being held up and that has been shown in certain studies is that it helps
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to lengthen telomeres. And if we can, and lengthening of telomeres is what buys us time on this whole
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hapholic effect, where we don't run out of space on those DNA, on that replication of DNA quite
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as fast. And, you know, so possibly bringing some of those strategies on board at the same time
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might be beneficial. 100% and and and peptides in general, we can look at them as kind of signaling
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molecules in the body. But if you if you are into computer coding, you can think of as a computer code.
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But but you're you are sending a signal, which then the body needs to listen to that signal, needs to
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be be responsive to that signal. And the reason we want to be mindful is that we exhaust the response
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to that signal. Most of the time what I'm saying right now is it is a very kind of large
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encompassing sentence. But peptides or any other signal that we're giving the body,
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if you give too much of that signal, the body tends to respond less and less and less to it.
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You know, obviously, okay, so so again, mindfulness, getting a medical professional to walk
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through that is definitely highly recommended. But yeah, you're right, the pitalon, other
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peptides that that improve healing and improve the cost of healing to the body.
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In terms of your product, would micro needling maybe, would you say like maybe once a week,
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once a month before, but that would be specifically the bio retinol, not just the care or the
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Pfizer's. So bio retinol should be should we should look at it separately for micro needling.
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It doesn't improve healing per se is the that that that signal for repair that micro needling would
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be loved into the same group with. So it's an alternative to micro needling.
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Alternative or or an add on or whatever that maybe that's something we can do at home.
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When we talk about micro needling, maybe we should think of doing it in a professional setting
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because the at home tools are not as effective. So if you can do it with them with a professional
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a statistician, a medical flower, whatever that may be, that might be a better option. And what we
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are doing is a process that the body takes to to to respond to between 21 to 28 days. So if you
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were to do it every week, that's fine, especially if you're doing it at home, but you're kind of,
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I like to call it you're mowing the lawn twice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You you you probably want to do it
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every 21 to 28 days. At most. Yeah. And do it well. Yeah. Okay. Well, um, I you know, I mean,
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we could keep talking for a very long time. Actually, I do want to ask you about one other product
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that you make because I've been using this religiously and I don't know that much about it and that's
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the mask. You have this mask that you handed me was I was walking out of the show and you said,
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here, take this and use it. I was like, okay, by then I trusted you enough that I was like, okay,
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I'm just going to use this. But do you want to talk to me a little bit about what's in there? So
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that yeah, we can, even though it's not it's not sold yet. It's it's it's a prototype that you got
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because we love you. Okay, guys, well, it's coming soon. Yeah. This is a mask that that increases the
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amount of oxygen or our skin absorbs. So overnight, one of the hair processes of the skin that we
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want to bio hack is the amount of is the replenish the absorption of oxygen or what we call
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cutaneous respiration. So our skin can breathe. So we improve that breathing. You can look at it
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like like a breath strip for our skin. And and that's that's a really, really, really good biohack.
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It's a very simple biohack. It's actually something that can be done. If you do use our products
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overnight and you don't want to kind of change your regimen, you can use that mask for 10 minutes
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and wash it off or you can leave it for your entire night, kind of as your night cream and then use
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the night cream, our night cream that has the NAD precursors. You can use it in the morning.
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But that mask yeah, that's what it does. It increases the amount of oxygen your skin absorbs
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and can then use in order to fuel its cellular function. So we're kind of biohacking your skin to
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behave like a younger skin. Yeah, I would definitely say that I mean, because I've been using that
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longer than anything else and I feel and I'm I'm not one that notices this stuff necessarily,
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but I feel like my it's just brighter. Yeah. And I've been using it now for about a month,
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right? So I just feel like it's it's it's a little bit brighter. So what I would caution against
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is using it next to your eyebrows or your hairline because it is going to bleach it because it does
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again, it's oxidative. Yeah, so far so good. I'm good. Great. My eyebrows are dark. I could lose
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a couple. It's not the end of the world. I got to. I think we've been this is almost like a marathon.
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So and we could keep going, but I think that in the interest of your time and everybody else's time,
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maybe what we can do is say that you're going to tell us where people can reach you and how they
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can buy your products. If they want to or how to follow you your podcast the whole nine yards.
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And then maybe what we'll do is we'll plan another episode for when you've some of those things
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up in the pipeline start to trickle down again. Well, I would say yeah, fantastic. What I would say
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is that where there is a conference that is called the American Academy for for anti-aging medicine
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this in December. Yeah, for him. Yeah, for him. And we have a product that we're aiming to launch
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there. We're kind of low key already already have have some some people that that are using it,
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but that is a mTOR down regulator, which is really, really cool. It's a serum. We'll send you some.
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Yeah. And and that is that's an awesome product that that that we'll talk about next time.
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But in general, just let's just say how how you can reach us. So we're we love Instagram. We're
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very popular on Instagram. Yeah, very active on Instagram, which is young, underscored,
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loose, underscored skincare. That's our handle. If you want to follow me specifically, I'm not
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not very active, but my name is Amitai Esha as you can see from kind of down there in the in the
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window. Yeah, you look for me there are not there not many. Basically only me. So you'll see me there.
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Our podcast is called Biohacking Beauty or the Biohacking Beauty podcast and that's in any
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way shape or form you consume your podcasts from YouTube to to any podcast audio audio podcast
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platform. And there we're doing basically what we did here. We just dive into a subject that would
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optimize our health and find ways to that people would use it. We bring on very very very interesting
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people in their own fields of expertise. And then your website for people decide they'd like to
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try a couple of your products. So our website is youngloose.com. Youngloose is one word and then
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.com. If you want to use one product and want to try a self, I recommend our cream that which is
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called air night time repair. Okay, so the night time one. Yeah, it's not necessarily for the night
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time. I use it twice a day. It's an amazing product and that's our kind of hero product. So if you
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want to give one product a chance that would be this one, you want to do more than one, I would go for
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the care line which has care for the nights care boost for the day and then I care which you
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could use twice a day which has GHK seal and other updates. Amazing. And then you guys if you do
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decide that you're going to try any of these products, Amitai is very generously extended a 20%
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discount to all of our listeners and all you have to do for that is use promo code superhuman20.
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So Amitai, thank you so much for your time today. And I believe it's all caps.
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And it's all caps. Sorry, so superhuman all caps 20 but it'll be in the show notes so everybody
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can see it there. So thank you so much for your time today. It's first of all it was such a
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pleasure to meet you in person and it's such a pleasure to speak with you. The pleasure
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frankly is all mine and we love you. We love it. I love it personally and we love it. I love
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you right back you guys. You and Anastasia. You guys have got to see Anastasia too. She's
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something else. Anyway, thank you so much Amitai. Pleasure. Thank you Natalie. Bye teacher.
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Bye. Thanks so much for joining me on this episode of the Biohacking Superhuman Performance
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