26 Surprising Pleasures Linked to a Longer, Healthier Life | Dr. Patrick Quillin

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Hi, and welcome to the next episode of the Live Beyond the Norms Health and Longevity podcast.
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You want to hear that chocolate, laughter, sunshine, naps, sex, friendship, vacations, coffee, and even dancing are the secrets to longevity because they are so much better than all the other boring stuff that's out there.
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Our next guest, Dr. Patrick Quillen, is here to prove to us that living longer should actually be pleasurable.
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A little bit about Dr. Quillen.
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Dr. Quillen, Ph.D., has spent approximately 47 years studying, practicing, and teaching clinical nutrition.
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He served for 10 years as the vice president of nutrition for Cancer Treatment Centers of America.
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He has written 21 books and has sold over 2 million copies, including the longtime bestseller, Beating Cancer with Nutrition.
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He is here today to discuss his latest book, The Pleasure Advantage.
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His mission, as I see it, is to make longevity practical, enjoyable, and accessible, maybe with an emphasis on enjoyable.
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Hopefully we can help him on that mission with this interview today.
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Dr. Quillen, thank you so much for joining us today.
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Thank you for sharing your view with Chris.
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I'm looking forward to this.
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All right.
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So before we jump into your area of expertise, your areas of expertise, I'd like to go much further back.
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I like to go back to growing up.
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What was it like growing up, little Patrick?
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Where did you grow up?
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What were your parents like?
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And if there was some event or someone you could pinpoint as the reason you would ultimately become a champion of nutrition-based health and of all things pleasure, what or who would that be?
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I appreciate it.
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It's a long and winding road, as the Beatles said.
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I was born on a farm in Illinois.
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My father was in Korean combat, came home with a purple heart.
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My mother was a nurse.
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I was raised in the Midwest, small town.
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I did well in school, always fascinated with nature, would spend time out at my grandparents' farm and just...
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I frolicked and being to wander 100 acres of farm country with all the animals.
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And eventually it was an Illinois Merit Scholar and got a partial scholarship to Notre Dame to study pre-medicine.
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And after two years of that, I said, you know, medicine's wonderful.
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They're well prepared for trauma, but ill prepared for degenerative diseases.
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So I switched to nutrition, transferred to San Diego State, finished my bachelor's, master's.
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Hold on.
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Hold on one second.
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I'm excited to get into your expertise.
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I do like to unwrap a little bit.
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I remember my dad was in the Air Force, so I moved every two years.
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It sounds like you didn't have that experience.
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Your dad had just kind of gotten out of the service.
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And I do absolutely remember, like, get out of the house.
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Don't come home until the street lamps, which didn't exist in our neighborhoods because we were so far out.
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Right.
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And what a great experience.
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I remember one family friend that had a property in a pond and we would just it was just just amazing.
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Very, very cool to hear that.
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Mother and nurse.
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And so you're going pre-med.
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Was that kind of driven by your mother?
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And then was there any kind of entrepreneurship in your upbringing?
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My father spent about 15 years of his career as a pharmaceutical representative, Pfizer and other companies.
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So he basically studied and understood drugs.
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He was a bright guy.
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And I looked at the Merck manual and thought, this looks interesting.
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And that sort of initially drove me towards medicine.
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But my quest...
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Chris, since the dawn of my first opening was, I want to understand life.
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I want to know how we move between wellness and illness back and forth.
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And I want to empower people.
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And so based upon that, nutrition was the proper direction for me.
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So there's a million MDs in this country.
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God bless them.
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They do a great job, wonderful.
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But there's 88% of Americans have some degenerative disease, most of which medicine is
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is ill prepared to address, but nutrition can address it.
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That's why we're here.
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Yeah.
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So going down the path of medical school, even before you get your undergraduate, do you change kind of opinion?
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What does that look like?
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Yeah, so I'm two years at Notre Dame in pre-medicine, not medical school, and that was where I just looked at medicine in 1971, again, thinking that trauma care, emergency care, the ER is brilliant, but that's not what most people need.
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They need epigenetics, and in those days, this was before the Human Genome Project, before the...
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microbiome project, but it just made common sense to me.
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And actually, one of my big influencers was Adele Davis, who wrote a book, Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit.
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And I said, this makes sense, the biochemistry of the body.
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And so going back to my chemistry from undergraduate, you look at a
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The enzyme kinetics, you can take A goes to B by the action of C and enzyme.
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Well, you can push that equation a little bit with more of A and more of C, the enzyme, and that's what nutrition is.
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You want to stay alive, 10 milligrams of vitamin C will do it.
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It probably will prevent scurvy in the average adult.
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The RDA is 90 milligrams.
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If you want to lower your incidence of petechia or bruising in older people, it's 300 milligrams.
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If you want to use vitamin C as an anti-cancer therapy, now you're talking 10,000 milligrams and up.
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The point is the biochemistry works, but there's a difference between surviving and thriving.
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And so...
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My mother, the nurse, my father, the pharmaceutical representative, me with this incredible thirst for knowledge on the subject of nature.
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And I sucked up all of the good basic biological sciences.
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And then from that came this equation of nature.
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You are what you eat.
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No, that's not true.
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You are what you digest and absorb.
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Even deeper, right?
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Even more deeper than you are just what you eat.
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So you're going through undergrad.
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Were there any particular, because this is a pretty revolutionary concept, right?
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Absolutely.
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Doctors have it wrong from not even completed with pre-med to nutrition is the right place.
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It makes perfect sense today.
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I would imagine it didn't make sense.
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And let me also fold in that book, which was Eat to Be Fit, I think was the title of it.
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What was your kind of fitness?
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What kind of exercise were you doing?
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Were you a hippie plant eater?
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Just give me some kind of lay of the land here.
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Yeah, so I was raised, my mother was a good cook, she did her best, but you're living in the Midwest where it's meat, potatoes and gravy.
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And an interesting footnote in my study, between God, genetics and lifestyle, I have a healthy brain, good cognition.
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So I can't take credit for the first two.
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But the last part is lifestyle.
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And I think my mother, being a devout Catholic, we had fish every Friday.
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iodine and fish oil, EPA, icosapentaenoic acid.
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People who don't get any of that end up with some severe cognitive decline.
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So the family was reasonably healthy.
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But for instance, I remember in the summertime going out in the sun and it was just like...
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Nirvana.
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It was ecstasy.
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How does this feel so good?
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And then all I knew was it feels good.
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Now I can explain to you what happens when you're in the sun and the skin secretes a cholesterol-like substance.
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And then the sun, through photons, hits that cholesterol molecule and breaks one of the bonds.
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And now the body reabsorbs that cholesterol.
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It's the beginning of 125-dihydroxycholesterol, which goes to the kidneys and liver and eventually becomes vitamin D active.
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And vitamin D is involved in happiness.
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Preventing autoimmune disease, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.
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But when I was a kid, all I knew is that sunlight felt better.
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Now I can explain why.
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And on the many nutrients that we were, you know, deficient in or whatever.
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As I said, my father was a meat, potatoes and gravy guy and we did all right.
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I grew a foot.
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From age 13 to 17, in four years, I grew a foot from 5'3 to 6'3, and there's no way you can eat enough calories.
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So, you know, I'm playing basketball.
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I'm awkward.
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I'm stumbling around, but you got to eat a lot.
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Anyway, my parents did their best.
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God bless them.
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But I think of those little minute details.
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Were it not for the Friday fish and getting a tiny bit of iodine and fish oil—
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What would have happened in my overall development?
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So I gave them credit.
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They were sort of, it's a relay race, Chris.
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If you think about it, they're passing the baton to me saying, we did our best.
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Now it's your turn.
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Yeah, that's fantastic.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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So your undergraduate degree, foods and nutrition, you in there and you carry that specific course of study, nutrition through to doctorate, like and then into right to so completing your PhD.
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That's that's a lot of clarity.
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I think even, you know, if you had gone down there, continue to go down the physician path, most physicians don't know what they're going to end up being.
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It doesn't.
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Did everything just keep continue to click for you as your education continued and as you started?
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Maybe you were starting to work with people through those degrees.
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Well, good question, Chris.
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Let me give you another vector in my younger days, a book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price, an absolute masterpiece.
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Anyone in the health sciences need to understand it in detail.
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And the one minute soundbite is...
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Price was a dentist.
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He was director of research at the American Dental Association for 14 years.
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He was a dentist in Cleveland, Ohio, and he noticed that the mouths of his patients were deteriorating rapidly.
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He saw this dramatic increase in dental caries, periodontal disease, cleft palate, crowded dentition, need to extract wisdom teeth, a lot more dental work, and he said, I wonder if nutrition has something to do with that.
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Well, now, most people would have dropped it there.
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But Price took his own money and his wife, who was an RN, a nurse, and they traveled the world on Indiana Jones, Pan Am stuff, 100,000 miles, 15 cultures on five continents, and they took thousands of photographs.
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And what they found, Chris, across the board, is when people embraced their native indigenous diet, that which their ancestors have been eating for thousands of years,
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mental and physical health and when they deviated from that diet which usually meant white sugar and white flour and more but when they deviated they ended up with severe changes in their dentition cleft palate periodontal and mental problems
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What he was doing is finding these cultures in which they were right on the cusp.
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And so you would have a village somewhere in Polynesia.
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And he would go and find this island where there's, let's say, a thousand people.
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And 500 of them were grandma and grandpa, and they're eating their native diet.
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And some of the kids were eating grandpa's diet, but some of the kids wanted the jam and white bread that came from the ship.
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And so he was looking at the differences in the mouths between these people and it was dramatic.
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So that was another book that was influential in my career.
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So bachelor's degree in foods and nutrition was then accepted into the doctorate program at University of California, Davis in nutrition.
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I opted to go back east.
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I earned my master of science in nutrition from Northern Illinois University and did a dietetic internship.
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Mercy Hospital in Aurora.
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So I got my registered dietician, then my certified nutrition specialist with the American College of Nutrition, and then my Ph.D. in nutrition, which was with Kensington University, and that was in 1981.
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So I took it all the way through because to me, this is so...
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brilliant in the scheme of things you um in 2400 years ago hippocrates said let food be your medicine he also said all diseases begin in the gut in 1906 eli metchnikoff said all diseases begin in the gut he got a nobel prize in medicine for his work in immunology
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Fast forward to the 1990s and the scientists of the world said, maybe we should look into this gut thing.
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So they had 1500 scientists around the world, billions of dollars spent, and they call it the Human Microbiome Project.
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And when they finished, they stood back and took their breath away.
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And they said, this is unbelievable.
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What they found is you've got about 37 trillion cells in an adult body.
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You've got about 30 to 100 trillion microbes in the gut.
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And those microbes are generating postbiotics, meaning they take in what you can't digest and they make their own fermentative process and give off postbiotics.
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So, for instance, when you take in milk and add bacteria, lactobacillus, you make yogurt.
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Well, in our gut, they would be taking in fiber and generating products that were not just useful but essential, like butyrate, which is a powerful anti-cancer.
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So I'm sort of drifting a little bit back and forth.
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But what I'm sharing with you is throughout my whole career, nutrition makes sense.
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Now, it's not the only vector.
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So my book, The Pleasure Advantage, which we're going to get into, one of my books is called 12 Keys to a Healthier Cancer Patient.
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Because in working with cancer patients, I found that what you're eating may not be as important as what's eating you.
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The mind plays a powerful role.
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So looking at those six lifestyle vectors, number one is attitude.
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Number two is nutrition.
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Number three is toxins.
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Number four is exercise.
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Number five is the microbiome, the gut.
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And number six is energy alignment.
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We are the body electric.
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And so those six vectors make up.
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Now, so what I'm doing is surrendering the fact that nutrition doesn't cure everything, sometimes nothing.
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And when your viewers, I'm hoping that they will work with a qualified healthcare practitioner because nutritionists,
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I do not tell people that nutrition is going to cure your cancer, but it's essential as part of comprehensive cancer treatment.
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Every cancer patient needs an aggressive nutrition component in order to improve their odds for quality and quantity of life and chances for a complete remission.
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And I've seen that hundreds of times.
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But my quest has been down a pathway.
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And now, Chris...
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Now what we've done is we've gone from riding a bicycle to being on a rocket ship.
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So it used to take me all afternoon at a biomedical library to find two or three articles that were of interest.
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Now I get into AI.
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And I pay for the quality one, the premium service.
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And I ask questions, prompts.
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And I say, and I want PMC links to the National Library of Medicine.
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And literally within a few minutes, I get more information than I can read in the next half hour.
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As if I wasn't already a data glutton.
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Now what you have is I'm a diabetic in a candy store.
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I can't get enough of this stuff.
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And what's happening, Chris, is all of my suspicions, all of my directions are being proven true.
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That nutrition is an incredibly underreported vector in the healthcare dilemma in America.
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And what I'd share with you is,
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There's an abundance of unnecessary suffering going on in the world, and much of it is because of malnutrition.
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That's a whole story right there.
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Just a couple things to unpack there.
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I absolutely believe that, and I've heard actually other people that I've interviewed have actually expressed a surprise at how—
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how it could be understood so long ago that the food is the medicine, right?
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And part of me is shocking because it's just like, well, where do you put medicine?
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Like, it goes in the same hole.
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Like, I mean, sometimes you inject it, right?
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But so it kind of seems obvious, but that may be because of the knowledge that I've been able to kind of accrue.
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Your quote, it may not be what you're eating, but what's eating you, I think is so profound.
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And we're picking up a lot of that.
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I was in my notes to kind of bring up.
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I wanted to touch, you already talked about cancer to a bit of a degree.
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You get your nutrition PhD, and then how quickly do you get focused on cancer, right?
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Because that could go all sorts of directions.
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And what leads you down that path to really get focused on cancer and ultimately write that book on nutrition and cancer?
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Good question.
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So after my degrees, my formal training, I was teaching college, San Diego State, Mesa College, National University, and found the students were somewhat lackluster, you know, not that many of them were as enthused about the subject as I.
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We move on, I worked with the La Costa Spa, a world-famous spa in Carlsbad, California.
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Moving on, I worked with Scripps Clinic at an executive wellness program.
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But all of these had people who were sort of lackluster interested in nutrition.
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And then Cancer Treatment Centers of America approached me and said, hey, we need some help here.
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disenfranchised, underserved group of patients in America are cancer patients.
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And so my 11 years with them, and it was great, when I started with the group
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The doctors came to me and said, so what do you hope to accomplish here?
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And I said, I hope to share with you that nutrition can improve your therapies.
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I'm not trying to replace you, the doctor, the oncologist.
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I want to make you more effective.
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I want you to be the one who goes to the next ASCO meeting and you give a keynote presentation because your patients are doing better than your peers who are using the same chemo and radiation because your patients are getting nutrition.
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That was my quest.
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And then from that came three international symposia.
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So my cancer treatment centers was good enough to support me and we organized three conferences, CME category, continuing medical education category one, first one in 1992 in Tulsa, the next one 94 in Orlando, or no, Tampa, and the next one in San Diego.
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The point is we brought in 40 doctors to teach
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and about 400 doctors to listen and learn.
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And the conclusion throughout all of this was, a well-nourished cancer patient can better manage the disease and the therapies.
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And from that came a textbook, Adjuvant Nutrition and Cancer Treatment, which I co-edited.
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So the evidence is overwhelming that every cancer patient needs help.
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Unfortunately, this is also an area of great chaos, in my opinion.
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You've got about 10,000 board-certified oncologists who labor under the illusion that micronutrients such as vitamins, minerals, antioxidants will reduce the effectiveness of their chemo and radiation, which is not true.
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And so I'm going to give your viewers a one-minute Reader's Digest synopsis
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of my 30 years of working with cancer patients.
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There's five reasons why every cancer patient needs aggressive nutrition.
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Number one, malnutrition kills 40% or more of all cancer patients.
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And the only thing that can address that is proper nutrition.
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Number two is that your immune system has failed if you have cancer.
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The immune system is supposed to recognize self from non-self.
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And nutrition can go a long way towards bolstering the immune system to be able to recognize and destroy the invaders.
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Number three, cancer is a sugar feeder.
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Cancer is an obligate glucose metabolizer.
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This was proven in 1930 with Otto Warburg, who was given a Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work proving this.
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PET, positron emission tomography.
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They inject radioactively labeled sugar into your veins of the cancer patient.
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They scan you with a Geiger counter-like device.
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Where did the radioactive sugar go?
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Because that's where the cancer is, because cancer is a sugar feeder.
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And then the patient says, doctor, what should I eat?
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And the doctor says, eat whatever you want.
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Does that make sense?
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I laugh too, Chris.
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And so number three is cancer is a sugar feeder.
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And diet, supplements, exercise, and meditation, and even some medications can help control that.
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We have the business of preventing unnecessary damage or collateral damage from chemo and radiation.
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So chemo and radiation do kill cancer cells, but they can also kill the patient.
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And this is very clear.
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Collateral damage.
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They are famous for nausea, hair loss, vomiting, weakness, edema, the list of side effects.
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cardiomyopathy, the heart fails, the kidneys fail, etc.
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Nutrients can make those therapies more of a rifle rather than a hand grenade.
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And that's very clearly proven, but the oncologists, unfortunately, have rejected that, although they will prescribe prescription antioxidants.
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So get this.
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They won't let the patient take extra vitamin C or beta-carotene or selenium or glutathione, which are natural antioxidants, but they will prescribe dextrazozone and a whole assortment of prescription antioxidants.
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Now, if you can get the logic of that, please explain it to me.
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Anyway, number four is nutrients make cancer treatment more of a rifle than a hand grenade.
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And number five, the really exciting part to me, is nutrients become biological response modifiers.
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In 1971, Richard Nixon launched the war on cancer in which he said, we will have a cure for a major cancer within five years, the bicentennial.
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And so they thought if we throw enough money at this, cancer will be cured, like we went to the moon, like we built the Panama Canal.
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Should be just nothing more than a little technology.
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And if you think about the comparison, in 1903, the Wright brothers had their first flight of about 100 feet.
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55 years later, we had transatlantic commercial flights.
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55 years.
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In 1971, Richard Nixon launched the war on cancer.
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55 years later, we have no cures for any major cancers.
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We have some cures for some childhood, which are these rare, obscure cancers.
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Good on them.
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Wonderful.
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But the fact is the war on cancer has cost us now about $200 billion in research, which is a great deal.
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And about a trillion in therapies.
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And we're no closer to a cancer cure than at the beginning.
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And it's because of their illogical approach to this.
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So number five is nutrients become biological response modifiers.
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We know, for instance, the mechanism.
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So the war on cancer has not been a complete failure.
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We know more about it.
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We know more of the mechanisms of cancer.
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For instance, apoptosis, apoptosis.
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is programmed cell death.
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And so all cells in the body grow, mature, and die, except cancer cells.
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They're immortal.
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They don't have apoptosis, programmed cell death.
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If you can induce apoptosis on a cancer cell, now you have what would be a selective toxin.
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Selenium, turmeric, turmeric.
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Fish oil, among others, biological response modifiers.
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For instance, fish oil changes the viscosity of the blood.
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Cancer doesn't kill you by having one little spot here.
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When it spreads or metastasizes, that's the cause of death.
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And so it has to have a certain amount of adhesion.
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It goes out like this sticky thing in the blood vessels.
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Fish oil helps to prevent that adhesion.
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It's an extremely powerful anti-cancer agent.
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We can talk about green tea, EGCG.
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Green tea, if it was a patentable drug, it would be a multibillion-dollar industry.
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strongly encourage your viewers to start using green tea, matcha green tea, whatever you want.
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But it's an anti-cancer, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-aging substance.
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So if we were to pursue these non-patentable biological response modifiers, we would be much closer to a cancer cure than we are right now.
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Because all they're doing right now is it's got to be patentable.
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Well, that means you can't use anything in nature.
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It's a shame you don't have any passion about this topic.
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So one of the things you mentioned, physicians saying stay away from, you know, regular antioxidants and they'll prescribe stuff.
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My understanding, and it's mostly because of a molecule I've been working with for so long, is that a selective antioxidant is OK and or preferable over kind of a,
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a carp launch antioxidant, like a vitamin C or whatever.
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Is that what they're trying to do with these prescriptions where they're going, where those particular antioxidants are more selective, like maybe a hydrogen gas situation?
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No, actually, it's not even that well applied.
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So an antioxidant, in the basic math, you would say a pro-oxidant, which is chemo and radiation,
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is going to kill cells non-selectively.
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What they hope is the chemo is going to kill rapidly growing cells, which includes the lining of the tongue, the lining of the gut, new red blood cells, which means now you're going to have anemia, new white blood cells, which means now you've got leukopemia and a suppression of the immune system.
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So it kills non-selectively all rapidly growing cells.
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And their theory is if you've taken pro-oxidant chemo,
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and you're going to, coolant is going to give them an antioxidant, vitamin C, E, CoQ, glutathione.
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It's going to neutralize the benefits of my chemo.
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No, it doesn't.
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Back to the business of cancer is a selectively unique molecule or cell growth.
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Cancer is actually, it's an obligate glucose metabolizer.
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And so it's taking in sugar,
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And because it is somewhat of an anaerobic creature, now think about it, an antioxidant protects us from the effects of oxidation.
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What if you've got a cell that doesn't worry about oxidation because it doesn't use oxygen?
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Antioxidants are not absorbed into a cancer cell.
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So...
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Now, there's at least three major meta-analysis of the literature, Chris, on the whole subject of antioxidant supplements enhance the effectiveness of chemo and radiation.
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A friend of mine, Charles Simone, MD, Master of Science, a daughter and a son, both MDs, all at the National Cancer Institute,
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all of them are freakingly brilliant.
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They wrote a review.
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If you look up Simone, S-I-M-O-N-E, on the National Library of Medicine, you'll see their review, which looked at 150 studies on the subject of antioxidants, and they find across the board...
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It usually helps and it never hurts.
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Another review was from a Keith Block, B-L-O-C-K, an MD.
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Again, like 150 studies.
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And he said, no, this antioxidants will improve outcome in cancer treatment.
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And so the oncologist, it's almost like we're in an Alice in Wonderland.
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I've actually been at their conferences and they say, we're going to err on the side of caution.
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So they say, we're not really sure that these antioxidants are safe.
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Well, I'll take it and flip that around.
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There's several studies showing that chemotherapy in advanced epithelial cancer is effective in about 2% of all cases.
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Well, prayer is effective in 10% of cases.
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So if you're saying, I'm going to give chemo what might help 2% of the patients, but I don't want you to neutralize the benefits of my chemo, sometimes all I can do is just smile.
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Yeah, neutralize the benefits with something that is known to be healthy for the body and, you know, is really kind of an expert nutritionist would prescribe those exact same things.
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That's very interesting.
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One other thing, because I want to make sure we get time for your book.
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There are some new treatments that just came out recently, which are kind of RNA focused.
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And they're kind of getting the immune system to actually become aware that these cancer cells are present today.
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I'm assuming you're following that as the information hound that you describe yourself.
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How do you think of those and how about their applicability?
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Is that potentially across all cancers or is this going to be a narrow focus of cancers?
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I am sitting in the bleachers and I'm cheering them on.
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I am not a molecular biologist.
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I'm not at the National Cancer Institute.
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And I cheer them on and I hope they do well.
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However, I would also add in that they've already had $200 billion in 55 years.
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And how many times do you get to strike out before we say, let's try something different?
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And I'll share with you the paradigm.
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Here's what's going on, Chris.
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Their model is we must cut, burn, and poison.
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We must kill the cancer in order to cure the patient.
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There was a study, a paper that came out from the Journal of ASCO in 1994, in which they said, must we kill to cure?
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And these oncologists and PhDs were offering the question, we need to re-regulate the body.
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So let me take this to a different level.
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You're saying, what about messenger RNA?
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Do you think we're ever going to be able to vaccinate a cancer patient and eliminate all the cancer?
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I hope so.
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But I would err on the side of caution that nature is not that simple.
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For instance, I'm going to look at the in classical textbooks right now.
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There's 50 essential nutrients in the human diet.
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Of those 50, 92% of Americans are deficient in one or more of those nutrients.
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So let's just look at magnesium, one of the minerals that's essential.
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The RDA is 400 milligrams.
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The average American gets half of that, 200 milligrams.
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Now, magnesium participates in all ATP reactions.
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So I'm going to throw some numbers at your viewers.
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I know they're sharp because they've been following you for a while.
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But there's 37 trillion cells in an adult body.
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Each of those cells is conducting about 100,000 biochemical reactions per second.
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And all of those reactions need energy or ATP.
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And you cannot release ATP without magnesium.
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So now when people come back and say, well, what's going to happen if I don't have enough magnesium?
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First thing is you're going to start feeling lethargic, tired, bored, sleepless, depressed, sensitive to noise.
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Those are the very beginnings.
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Later on, you might end up with chest pains.
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How many people check into the ER with allegedly a heart attack, which actually have a magnesium deficiency?
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We move on.
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If you deprive animals in a research lab of magnesium, they spontaneously develop cancer.
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Now, I'm going to come back to your question.
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If a patient is deficient in fish oil, magnesium, selenium, chromium,
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choline inositol, CoQ, and an assortment of other nutrients, and I can guarantee you they are, if they're deficient in all those nutrients and the cell mechanisms are all impaired, they're limping, and now you're going to inject messenger RNA into them and try and fix a problem that's basically a broken biochemistry problem.
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I'd put some money against it working.
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Interesting, right?
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Like you're, I've heard an example of you've got this factory and the factory's not working.
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And now you're just going to load up with, you know, one better engineer who doesn't know how to fix the factory.
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It's not going to get fixed.
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Like there's fundamentals.
432
00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:28.081
You've got to have the raw materials.
433
00:33:28.261 --> 00:33:30.183
I think that's a great thing.
434
00:33:30.939 --> 00:33:32.481
I'll even take it to another level, Chris.
435
00:33:32.521 --> 00:33:34.503
If you want a little bit of controversy, here we go.
436
00:33:34.523 --> 00:33:35.324
Yeah.
437
00:33:37.226 --> 00:33:46.996
Right now we've got 4.6 – no, the new number is $5.4 trillion a year medical industrial complex.
438
00:33:48.357 --> 00:33:52.281
And a patient is only useful if there's half or in between well and dead.
439
00:33:53.182 --> 00:33:55.002
So right now, sickness is big business.
440
00:33:55.943 --> 00:33:58.163
I'll take you to the cities of Cleveland and Pittsburgh.
441
00:33:58.203 --> 00:34:00.924
At one time, they were major industrial complexes.
442
00:34:00.964 --> 00:34:02.964
They were gutted of their industry.
443
00:34:02.984 --> 00:34:06.205
And the city father said, well, then let's turn the whole city into a hospital.
444
00:34:07.045 --> 00:34:10.006
The Cleveland Clinic, it's six blocks by six blocks.
445
00:34:10.106 --> 00:34:11.866
Pittsburgh, major medical center.
446
00:34:12.267 --> 00:34:15.367
So treating sickness is incredibly profitable.
447
00:34:15.687 --> 00:34:16.768
Take it to the next level.
448
00:34:16.908 --> 00:34:22.949
Oncologists, about two-thirds of their income is by selling and getting a profit from chemotherapy.
449
00:34:24.130 --> 00:34:30.015
Now, in medicine, it's considered unethical to take a profit if you are selling a drug.
450
00:34:30.075 --> 00:34:35.659
So a doctor cannot say, Chris, I want you to take this Prozac and I'm going to get a profit from it.
451
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:36.500
They can't do that.
452
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.461
But in oncology, they can.
453
00:34:39.202 --> 00:34:46.131
So we have conflicts of interest going on in some industries, and we have an illogical system.
454
00:34:46.932 --> 00:34:55.764
And what's going to change it is people like you and your followers, where you go to your doctor and one of your readers, one of your followers, your listeners, is saying,
455
00:34:56.204 --> 00:34:57.325
You're going to the oncologist.
456
00:34:57.846 --> 00:35:01.669
I want this thing that I saw on Chris Burris and Patrick Cullen.
457
00:35:01.689 --> 00:35:02.470
He's got this book here.
458
00:35:02.490 --> 00:35:03.411
Would you do this for me?
459
00:35:03.791 --> 00:35:04.812
And the doctor says no.
460
00:35:05.213 --> 00:35:07.074
And so the patient goes to the next doctor.
461
00:35:07.114 --> 00:35:07.935
Would you do it for me?
462
00:35:08.095 --> 00:35:08.336
Yes.
463
00:35:08.876 --> 00:35:14.501
And that doctor ends up with a room full of patients because he's willing to listen to the patient.
464
00:35:14.982 --> 00:35:17.744
So this is going to be a consumer-driven thing.
465
00:35:18.625 --> 00:35:19.386
Movement.
466
00:35:19.446 --> 00:35:21.409
Literally, it's going to be a tsunami.
467
00:35:22.371 --> 00:35:24.754
What will happen is an avalanche.
468
00:35:25.155 --> 00:35:28.159
When it starts, it will be an escalating thing.
469
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.267
So I applaud you and your quest and your mission, and I'll do what I can to help.
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And back to the show.
483
00:36:31.438 --> 00:36:39.362
So let's get to your latest book, The Pleasure Advantage, which kind of pun intended here might be a hard pill to swallow.
484
00:36:39.883 --> 00:36:46.546
So many health endeavors we associate with what tastes and feels good as something that is bad for us.
485
00:36:47.607 --> 00:36:50.389
And then what tastes bad is something that's good for us.
486
00:36:50.429 --> 00:36:52.510
How do you feel about this kind of fundamental premise?
487
00:36:53.310 --> 00:36:54.331
It's an interesting subject.
488
00:36:54.392 --> 00:36:59.016
I was at a medical conference in which it was a cheese and wine.
489
00:36:59.076 --> 00:37:02.640
And one doctor said, you know, I tell my patients, if it tastes good, spit it out.
490
00:37:03.805 --> 00:37:06.846
And the next one said, well, I got my patients doing ice baths.
491
00:37:07.366 --> 00:37:10.667
I don't know about you, but I don't even like a cold shower, much less an ice bath.
492
00:37:11.367 --> 00:37:14.888
And the next doctor said, I've got my patients doing intermittent fasting.
493
00:37:14.948 --> 00:37:16.828
I tell them not to eat two days of the week.
494
00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:20.789
And there's scientific evidence for that, but not eating is not much fun.
495
00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:25.131
The next one says, I've got my patients doing intermittent hypoxia.
496
00:37:25.551 --> 00:37:29.812
So you go through these breathing techniques and eventually hold your breath for lengthy periods of time.
497
00:37:31.072 --> 00:37:41.455
And the next one said, I tell my patients to shove a toothbrush into the back of their throat to stimulate the vagus nerve to improve the flow of the vagus nerve in all internal organs.
498
00:37:41.535 --> 00:37:44.975
And so I just rolled my eyes and I thought, have we lost our minds?
499
00:37:45.736 --> 00:37:52.477
There's two main urges in the human mind, and that's to seek pleasure and to avoid discomfort.
500
00:37:53.177 --> 00:37:58.739
And given that, isn't there anything that feels good that can be scientifically backed that we can recommend?
501
00:37:58.919 --> 00:37:59.639
And the answer is yes.
502
00:38:00.499 --> 00:38:02.762
So that's why I wrote The Pleasure Advantage.
503
00:38:03.222 --> 00:38:12.834
And we could go down the pathway of chocolate, laughter, green tea, coffee, vacation, sunshine, fruit, of all of them.
504
00:38:13.494 --> 00:38:18.580
The most scientifically documented of my 26 is belonging.
505
00:38:19.418 --> 00:38:23.400
That was my next question, so thank you for jumping right to that.
506
00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:25.721
The most important one is belonging.
507
00:38:26.282 --> 00:38:26.902
Absolutely.
508
00:38:27.402 --> 00:38:29.283
So, we are social creatures.
509
00:38:30.324 --> 00:38:35.787
And days gone by when clans would want to punish someone in the group, they didn't kill them.
510
00:38:35.987 --> 00:38:37.107
They ostracized them.
511
00:38:37.488 --> 00:38:39.209
They sent them off away from the tribe.
512
00:38:40.129 --> 00:38:41.550
And so, we are social people.
513
00:38:41.610 --> 00:38:45.312
We're built to be surrounded by like-minded people.
514
00:38:47.053 --> 00:38:47.594
Waldinger.
515
00:38:47.634 --> 00:38:51.917
Robert Waldinger was a professor of psychiatry at Harvard who wrote a book, The Good Life.
516
00:38:52.417 --> 00:39:03.986
They've done an 80-year study looking at multiple generations of people, and they find across the board, loners die sooner and have more morbidities.
517
00:39:04.026 --> 00:39:06.288
They get sicker and they die sooner, loners.
518
00:39:06.328 --> 00:39:11.232
So having a family network, a safety network, is incredibly important.
519
00:39:11.312 --> 00:39:11.432
So
520
00:39:12.373 --> 00:39:14.455
I recently went to a conference.
521
00:39:14.475 --> 00:39:20.001
I won't mention the name, but it was in Phoenix, and it was on the idea of we're going to outsmart death.
522
00:39:20.781 --> 00:39:28.630
And so you've got people taking fists full of supplements, and one of the presentations, which I almost had to laugh at,
523
00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:38.053
They're giving interleukin-11 inhibitors to rats, hoping it will colonize each cell and make them live longer.
524
00:39:38.213 --> 00:39:39.313
How practical is this?
525
00:39:39.373 --> 00:39:44.695
Anyway, there was two days worth of pie-in-the-sky things, but you could do all of those.
526
00:39:45.655 --> 00:39:48.216
And if you have no friends or family, you're going to die sooner.
527
00:39:49.177 --> 00:39:55.140
I could talk about vacations, fruit, chocolate, forgiveness, gratitude.
528
00:39:55.180 --> 00:39:56.401
Let me stop there for a second.
529
00:39:56.441 --> 00:39:56.921
Gratitude.
530
00:39:56.961 --> 00:39:59.362
And actually, let me try to summarize.
531
00:39:59.402 --> 00:40:04.705
I know that we have limited time together, and I could, as you can see, ramble on endlessly.
532
00:40:05.226 --> 00:40:10.088
But the human nervous system, we've got two parallel nervous systems.
533
00:40:10.648 --> 00:40:12.930
One is the sympathetic, and that's the fight or flight.
534
00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:17.331
And that's the, what was that movement in the grass over there?
535
00:40:17.371 --> 00:40:18.811
Was that a snake or a tiger?
536
00:40:19.391 --> 00:40:20.512
Do I need to be aware?
537
00:40:20.972 --> 00:40:24.233
And so fight or flight triggers adrenaline.
538
00:40:24.833 --> 00:40:26.813
Now you've got cortisol flowing.
539
00:40:26.853 --> 00:40:30.354
Now the heart rate goes up, digestion changes.
540
00:40:30.494 --> 00:40:34.875
All of that is meant to be like a one to five minute escape.
541
00:40:35.095 --> 00:40:37.336
Fight or flight, and you lived or you didn't.
542
00:40:37.796 --> 00:40:39.096
And now you go back to normal.
543
00:40:39.536 --> 00:40:42.897
The other side of that is parasympathetic, rest and digest.
544
00:40:43.577 --> 00:40:54.000
And so the human beings are meant to survive these brief moments of danger and spend most of our lives in rest and digest.
545
00:40:54.460 --> 00:41:05.542
But modern humans, somewhere between crowds and traffic and debt, children problems, marriage problems, all those things add up.
546
00:41:05.722 --> 00:41:11.864
And we end up watching the news at 11 o'clock at night and think of all the terrible things happening in the world and go to bed regularly.
547
00:41:12.144 --> 00:41:14.945
with nothing more than fight or flight going.
548
00:41:15.465 --> 00:41:23.528
And so many of these 26 factors in my book are attempting to restore homeostasis to your body.
549
00:41:24.108 --> 00:41:27.789
So if you are in constant, vigilant, red alert...
550
00:41:28.610 --> 00:41:30.412
You're literally wearing your body out.
551
00:41:30.652 --> 00:41:32.273
And so, for instance, vacations.
552
00:41:33.134 --> 00:41:43.204
Studies, plural, have shown that people who take a vacation at least every two years have something like a 40% reduction in heart attack rates.
553
00:41:43.624 --> 00:41:44.345
A vacation.
554
00:41:44.805 --> 00:41:45.846
Just gear down.
555
00:41:46.367 --> 00:41:47.368
Do something different.
556
00:41:47.388 --> 00:41:48.369
You don't even have to leave.
557
00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:50.290
You can do a staycation.
558
00:41:50.330 --> 00:41:53.233
So some people are saying, you know, I really don't have enough money to go to Rome.
559
00:41:53.293 --> 00:41:53.994
That's okay.
560
00:41:54.434 --> 00:42:00.739
Just turn off the phone, sit in the back porch, play some checkers, chess, some vacations.
561
00:42:01.259 --> 00:42:03.221
Another one is forgiveness and gratitude.
562
00:42:03.241 --> 00:42:04.602
Let me stop on gratitude.
563
00:42:05.503 --> 00:42:09.526
Clear psychological studies have shown that people who focus on...
564
00:42:10.186 --> 00:42:15.871
on what they're grateful for, end up seeing more of things that they will be grateful for.
565
00:42:15.891 --> 00:42:22.037
So you change the focus of your brain and you start inviting more of those things into your life.
566
00:42:22.457 --> 00:42:28.663
And instead of fight or flight, you're more into rest and digest and your life starts becoming more valuable.
567
00:42:29.564 --> 00:42:29.984
Laughter.
568
00:42:31.085 --> 00:42:33.768
What are the following longevity experts have in common?
569
00:42:33.908 --> 00:42:34.409
Bob Hope.
570
00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:43.866
George Burns, Phyllis Diller, Betty White, Dick Van Dyke, Art Linkletter.
571
00:42:44.346 --> 00:42:48.469
They were all comedians, and they all outlived the average by 10 or 20 years.
572
00:42:49.029 --> 00:42:56.134
So John Kennedy said that humor is the balancing stick that allows us to walk the tightrope of life.
573
00:42:57.074 --> 00:42:58.775
Humor allows us to tolerate.
574
00:42:58.815 --> 00:43:00.235
It's sort of the shock absorbers.
575
00:43:00.295 --> 00:43:02.236
It gets us down the bumpy roads of life.
576
00:43:02.776 --> 00:43:05.738
So look at my book, The Pleasure Advantage.
577
00:43:06.238 --> 00:43:10.980
The illustrations are worth the price of admission alone, and you will enjoy the book.
578
00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.801
And when you're finished, you'll start enjoying life more.
579
00:43:13.901 --> 00:43:17.403
And I'm going to add years to your life and life to your years.
580
00:43:18.341 --> 00:43:18.701
I love it.
581
00:43:18.821 --> 00:43:27.444
One of the things that I wanted to kind of go back to was actually kind of where you started, which was the, you know, the parasympathetic and the sympathetic, right?
582
00:43:27.584 --> 00:43:31.805
It's intent to keep us safe from danger, right?
583
00:43:31.825 --> 00:43:33.145
So lions typically.
584
00:43:33.165 --> 00:43:38.027
And one thing I think a lot of people don't realize, OK, great, you want to get into the parasympathetic.
585
00:43:38.973 --> 00:43:44.038
But typically those required a physical response, right?
586
00:43:44.058 --> 00:43:44.318
Okay.
587
00:43:44.358 --> 00:43:48.903
So in the case of freeze, flight, fight, or freeze, freeze does happen.
588
00:43:49.003 --> 00:43:57.612
Sometimes it's probably a lesser strategy, but in the fight or flight, there's physical release of the cortisol, adrenaline, everything that's pumped up.
589
00:43:57.672 --> 00:43:57.752
So
590
00:43:58.152 --> 00:44:01.553
So you need to have that movement as part of it.
591
00:44:01.613 --> 00:44:05.594
And you can just, I have a dog, a mini schnauzer, super cute dog.
592
00:44:05.874 --> 00:44:07.255
She's awesome, Molly.
593
00:44:07.535 --> 00:44:09.395
But you can see, like, she'll start barking at the door.
594
00:44:09.555 --> 00:44:11.856
And then when she realizes it's fine, she shakes it off.
595
00:44:11.996 --> 00:44:17.198
Like, these animals will often shake off that cortisol slash adrenaline.
596
00:44:17.618 --> 00:44:20.139
And we don't have that mechanism, right?
597
00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:23.260
Like, we can't walk into a room and like, oh, that was a tough conversation.
598
00:44:24.040 --> 00:44:27.261
So I think it's really important to kind of throw in movement.
599
00:44:27.581 --> 00:44:27.781
Yeah.
600
00:44:28.141 --> 00:44:28.721
Absolutely.
601
00:44:28.802 --> 00:44:36.466
And just to put a exclamation point on your sentence, exercise is critical.
602
00:44:36.566 --> 00:44:42.089
I didn't include it in the book because not everybody considers exercise to be pleasurable, but it is absolutely essential.
603
00:44:42.309 --> 00:44:42.809
But you're right.
604
00:44:43.009 --> 00:44:49.373
Once you've been shaken up and it's fight or flight, they were able to run off the cortisol.
605
00:44:50.254 --> 00:44:56.257
Today, Bob sits at his desk, his cubicle, and his boss said, you better have this done by tomorrow morning or you're fired.
606
00:44:56.537 --> 00:44:57.578
He's not running around.
607
00:44:57.598 --> 00:44:58.978
He's just sitting there drenched.
608
00:44:59.439 --> 00:45:02.560
He is literally marinating in the juices of stress.
609
00:45:03.261 --> 00:45:06.482
Yeah, no, I think it's a really important point.
610
00:45:06.922 --> 00:45:16.527
So a lot of things in your book, say coffee, chocolate, sunlight, red wine, even naps can be beneficial or harmful depending on the dose.
611
00:45:16.628 --> 00:45:22.791
What separates kind of a longevity promoting pleasure from simply overindulgence?
612
00:45:23.507 --> 00:45:24.267
Yeah, good point.
613
00:45:24.967 --> 00:45:32.069
And I think that was Paracelsus who gave us the axiom of, it is difference between a medicine and a poison is dosage.
614
00:45:32.609 --> 00:45:34.550
And you could say that for almost anything.
615
00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:38.251
You could say money, you know, I guess maybe Paris Hilton is an example.
616
00:45:38.291 --> 00:45:39.831
There is such a thing as too much money.
617
00:45:40.671 --> 00:45:45.493
There is such a thing as too much sunlight, too much wine, too much food.
618
00:45:46.413 --> 00:45:49.634
So there is what they talk about a window of efficacy.
619
00:45:50.615 --> 00:45:52.017
So you need to eat to live.
620
00:45:52.217 --> 00:45:53.579
If you eat too much, you're obese.
621
00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:55.521
You need to exercise to live.
622
00:45:55.562 --> 00:45:59.767
If you overexercise, you've overused your joints and you might end up with knee replacement.
623
00:46:00.669 --> 00:46:05.556
Sunlight, very clearly excess sunlight can cause skin cancer, no question.
624
00:46:06.597 --> 00:46:11.120
but we're going beyond just sunlight generating vitamin D in the skin.
625
00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:14.122
Now what we know, it is a bioregulator.
626
00:46:15.042 --> 00:46:18.044
There is a suprachiasmatic center behind our eyes.
627
00:46:18.144 --> 00:46:26.110
It takes in the sunlight and it measures it, and it distributes hormones throughout the body from that, including melatonin for sleep.
628
00:46:27.011 --> 00:46:33.315
And so just taking in some sunlight is an important part of your biorhythms, circadian rhythms,
629
00:46:33.735 --> 00:46:36.136
You don't have to have a lifeguard's tan.
630
00:46:36.936 --> 00:46:39.716
But sunlight, dosage is the issue.
631
00:46:40.677 --> 00:46:45.618
Red wine, one or two glasses has been clearly proven to extend lifespan.
632
00:46:45.638 --> 00:46:47.518
It's part of the Mediterranean lifestyle.
633
00:46:48.198 --> 00:46:50.499
And people oftentimes ask me, so what diet?
634
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.900
You nutritionists can't seem to get anything in cooperation.
635
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.141
So should I be a vegan, carnivore?
636
00:46:57.181 --> 00:46:58.001
What do you want me to do?
637
00:46:58.921 --> 00:47:03.442
The best studied diet on the planet Earth is the Mediterranean lifestyle and diet.
638
00:47:03.842 --> 00:47:24.872
which is plant-based, meaning a lot of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, seaweed, mushrooms, medicinal plants, which are spices, and then some animal food, chicken, fish, turkey, red meat, fermented dairy, etc., olive oil, but a big part of that is red wine.
639
00:47:25.472 --> 00:47:30.695
And what they have found is there are one of the most complex chemicals in the planet Earth
640
00:47:31.455 --> 00:47:41.839
is red wine because what you have is Saccharomyces cerevisiae, the yeast goes in and you give it a grape, you squash the grape and you put yeast in there and have it start fermenting.
641
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.521
Yeast are some of the most sophisticated microorganisms on earth.
642
00:47:46.982 --> 00:47:52.984
They have enzymes that can break down just about any molecule and they give off what are called postbiotics.
643
00:47:53.464 --> 00:47:57.566
Well one of them is alcohol obviously, another one is resveratrol.
644
00:47:57.966 --> 00:48:09.357
But there are many others that are in red wine, and what they have shown is lowers the risk for heart disease, even cognitive decline, diabetes, obesity.
645
00:48:10.157 --> 00:48:14.902
And so clearly, one of the most destructive substances on the planet Earth is alcohol.
646
00:48:15.862 --> 00:48:39.470
absolutely but they tried prohibition for about 10 years and it didn't work alcohol consumption went up the mafia got rich and they said we can't do this anymore so where caution failed now we have to come in and say you need to have a certain amount of moderation here people pregnant women don't drink certain ethnic groups cannot tolerate alcohol don't drink
647
00:48:39.930 --> 00:48:41.471
If you're driving a truck, don't drink.
648
00:48:41.531 --> 00:48:43.893
But there are most people, it's a J curve.
649
00:48:44.493 --> 00:48:48.456
And so the people who have higher morbidity are the ones who don't drink.
650
00:48:49.397 --> 00:48:53.520
Actually, the UK, United Kingdom, has their own version of the FDA.
651
00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:59.284
And they came out with a statement saying those people who do not drink might want to consider it for its health benefits.
652
00:49:01.153 --> 00:49:01.473
Wow.
653
00:49:01.753 --> 00:49:02.794
I thought so.
654
00:49:02.914 --> 00:49:10.717
So I think my understanding at this point, too, like two interesting points is the next generation isn't drinking as much alcohol in general.
655
00:49:11.857 --> 00:49:15.859
And then that that there really isn't a beneficial level.
656
00:49:15.939 --> 00:49:21.401
I think I think it's in my mind, it's potentially the the.
657
00:49:22.421 --> 00:49:26.243
other activities, the fact that you're socializing around a glass of wine.
658
00:49:26.304 --> 00:49:32.027
And if the glass of the wine becomes the impetus, then the first thing you talked about was this community.
659
00:49:32.627 --> 00:49:38.791
And so if it generates community, then it's an overwhelmingly positive thing, even if it's a negative.
660
00:49:39.612 --> 00:49:51.479
And I think, you know, this next generation is, well, I would like, as I'm saying this, I would like to believe that they've just found something else to be communal about, but I think they're actually finding things to not be communal about, so they're not drinking community.
661
00:49:53.801 --> 00:49:55.462
But when they're out, they don't drink as much.
662
00:49:55.482 --> 00:49:56.823
So that's just kind of interesting.
663
00:49:57.003 --> 00:49:59.045
Not saying that anyone has to drink.
664
00:49:59.145 --> 00:50:02.267
I am saying that it is a medicine.
665
00:50:02.287 --> 00:50:08.212
There is a textbook from the New York Academy of Sciences on the health benefits of wine.
666
00:50:08.232 --> 00:50:09.053
We're going to look this up.
667
00:50:09.593 --> 00:50:13.057
It's 300 pages, MDs and PhDs.
668
00:50:13.497 --> 00:50:21.025
And they basically come up with their soundbite is moderate intake of red wine is probably beneficial.
669
00:50:21.125 --> 00:50:23.187
If you can't do moderate, don't touch it.
670
00:50:23.607 --> 00:50:24.368
Yeah, yeah.
671
00:50:24.648 --> 00:50:26.690
That's an important caveat.
672
00:50:27.951 --> 00:50:34.236
And in fact, I was asking about the next, you've already brought it up, the chapter on red wine.
673
00:50:34.737 --> 00:50:39.941
So, forgiveness and purpose seem almost spiritual rather than medicinal.
674
00:50:40.822 --> 00:50:50.370
What convinces a PhD nutritional scientist that forgiveness and purpose belong in a longevity book alongside olive oil, sleep, and fruit?
675
00:50:50.390 --> 00:50:51.031
Yeah.
676
00:50:51.651 --> 00:50:52.612
Good question, Chris.
677
00:50:53.212 --> 00:50:58.735
When I came out of the blocks after my formal training, I had sort of blinders on about thinking nutrition, this is it.
678
00:50:59.535 --> 00:51:06.038
And then I worked with La Costa and the Scripps Clinic and with clients, and I found, no, no, nutrition won't help everything.
679
00:51:06.058 --> 00:51:09.040
Maybe I need to expand my horizons.
680
00:51:09.640 --> 00:51:12.541
Exercise and attitude have something to do with health.
681
00:51:12.621 --> 00:51:15.763
And so my horizons have expanded to the point of where...
682
00:51:16.744 --> 00:51:19.165
I'm interested in people improving their life.
683
00:51:19.465 --> 00:51:21.647
I'm all about personal empowerment.
684
00:51:22.247 --> 00:51:24.389
I'd like to see people become self-reliant.
685
00:51:24.429 --> 00:51:34.536
Realize that 88% of Americans have some metabolic disease, and that's heart disease, cancer, diabetes, autoimmune, kidney, liver, whatever.
686
00:51:35.537 --> 00:51:42.202
88%, and that the experts tell us that 90% to 95% of that is lifestyle-induced.
687
00:51:42.822 --> 00:51:44.884
Only 5% to 10% is genetics.
688
00:51:45.004 --> 00:51:50.850
And so back to your question of why would I want to talk about forgiveness and gratitude and purpose?
689
00:51:51.431 --> 00:51:53.052
Because I want my people to get well.
690
00:51:53.172 --> 00:52:00.720
And so I have worked with many patients and seen all sorts of problems in their life.
691
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.161
And so I'm not as...
692
00:52:03.042 --> 00:52:09.666
reductionist as to say, you know, take a broad spectrum vitamin mineral supplement and call me in 30 days.
693
00:52:09.766 --> 00:52:11.027
No, it's not that simple.
694
00:52:11.487 --> 00:52:16.910
And many of the people I work with have had major traumatic events in their life.
695
00:52:17.571 --> 00:52:17.931
And so
696
00:52:18.011 --> 00:52:21.453
So, a sense of purpose means a reason to live.
697
00:52:22.373 --> 00:52:35.619
And now I'm deferring to the psychologists, where they will study thousands of people, and they'll publish hundreds of papers, and they'll say, we have found across the board, people who have a direction, they lean into it.
698
00:52:36.099 --> 00:52:41.422
If we don't have a direction, it seems like the human spirit just sort of collapses and caves in on itself.
699
00:52:42.623 --> 00:52:50.769
And so gratitude, sense of purpose, belonging, all of those are psychospiritual, but I think they feed our soul.
700
00:52:51.469 --> 00:52:56.874
So whereas as a nutritionist, I talk about feeding the cell with the biochemistry that we need.
701
00:52:56.954 --> 00:52:57.914
Good, wonderful.
702
00:52:58.295 --> 00:53:01.217
But we are not just biochemical organisms.
703
00:53:01.737 --> 00:53:07.382
We are psychospiritual organisms, and those needs must be met also.
704
00:53:07.402 --> 00:53:08.022
Okay.
705
00:53:09.419 --> 00:53:10.300
It's the whole picture.
706
00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:17.989
You know, I've been – when we were talking about exercise and that you excluded it, I think I found a way that you could include exercise.
707
00:53:18.049 --> 00:53:18.469
It's not easy.
708
00:53:18.489 --> 00:53:18.930
I like yours.
709
00:53:19.511 --> 00:53:19.711
Right?
710
00:53:19.911 --> 00:53:24.376
And it is – a pleasure thing is celebrating movement.
711
00:53:25.918 --> 00:53:26.978
So you kind of force it.
712
00:53:27.899 --> 00:53:29.700
We're working hard to make it happen.
713
00:53:29.740 --> 00:53:33.642
So if you're celebrating movement, that would be pleasurable.
714
00:53:34.043 --> 00:53:37.165
And it does require that you're celebrating it rather than lamenting it.
715
00:53:37.425 --> 00:53:38.525
But I love the phrase.
716
00:53:38.545 --> 00:53:40.086
I heard this a long time ago.
717
00:53:40.106 --> 00:53:50.993
A lot of people will exercise, and maybe this applies to not this current generation because they're not drinking, but a generation that would go tie one on over the weekend and then pay the price in the gym.
718
00:53:51.474 --> 00:53:53.135
And I really like the phrase that.
719
00:53:54.095 --> 00:53:56.956
exercise is not the penance for what you did yesterday.
720
00:53:57.396 --> 00:53:59.676
It's the celebration of what the body can do.
721
00:54:00.236 --> 00:54:02.837
And that's a phrase I use regularly.
722
00:54:02.877 --> 00:54:05.817
And so maybe we got a revision.
723
00:54:06.958 --> 00:54:08.918
I might plagiarize that.
724
00:54:09.718 --> 00:54:10.278
You're welcome to.
725
00:54:10.558 --> 00:54:16.220
I always joke with a buddy of mine, and I want you to put the little register trademark, courtesy of Chris Burris.
726
00:54:18.740 --> 00:54:19.160
All right.
727
00:54:19.200 --> 00:54:21.302
Well, we're about to get to our wrap-up questions.
728
00:54:21.322 --> 00:54:23.284
This has been an amazing conversation.
729
00:54:23.904 --> 00:54:26.326
Your passion is palpable, knowledge palpable.
730
00:54:26.346 --> 00:54:27.367
I really appreciate that.
731
00:54:27.667 --> 00:54:34.152
Is there anything maybe we didn't touch on or any kind of summary that you might want to provide for the Live Beyond the Norms audience?
732
00:54:34.812 --> 00:54:45.463
No, I think the central theme throughout my 47-year career has been to empower my readers, listeners, viewers with a sense of taking control of their life.
733
00:54:45.544 --> 00:54:54.213
Too many people sit back and think, you know, my Aunt Betty just went through cancer treatment and my Uncle Jack had a heart attack and I'm just waiting for it to happen to me.
734
00:54:54.693 --> 00:54:56.174
You don't have to sit back and wait.
735
00:54:56.194 --> 00:54:57.094
You can do something.
736
00:54:57.114 --> 00:54:58.574
You can improve the odds.
737
00:54:59.295 --> 00:55:02.256
And so if you follow my teachings, you improve the odds.
738
00:55:02.616 --> 00:55:06.077
If you run across the freeway at rush hour, you're probably going to get hit.
739
00:55:06.637 --> 00:55:10.038
If you live the typical American lifestyle, you're probably going to get hit.
740
00:55:10.659 --> 00:55:15.500
If you want to improve the odds, you cross the street at midnight where there's almost no traffic.
741
00:55:15.540 --> 00:55:19.442
And I'm improving the odds for the people who will follow my teachings.
742
00:55:20.482 --> 00:55:20.922
I love that.
743
00:55:21.062 --> 00:55:21.863
That's a great summary.
744
00:55:21.923 --> 00:55:22.223
All right.
745
00:55:22.963 --> 00:55:24.224
Now for our wrap-up questions.
746
00:55:24.744 --> 00:55:27.566
Dr. Quillen, do you have a target age that you want to live to?
747
00:55:28.366 --> 00:55:30.147
Quality is very important to me.
748
00:55:30.167 --> 00:55:32.509
I have an excellent quality of life.
749
00:55:32.989 --> 00:55:36.291
I'm 75, no medications, no limitations.
750
00:55:36.391 --> 00:55:37.972
I'm full throttle most days.
751
00:55:38.032 --> 00:55:46.778
I get up at 6 a.m., do what I want, and I have full passion in life, the joie de vivre, as the French call it, the joy of life.
752
00:55:47.238 --> 00:55:49.759
As long as I've got that, I'm 100, 200, I don't know,
753
00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:53.501
Uh, but is there a number I would put on it?
754
00:55:53.561 --> 00:56:08.647
No, I think it's more or less, uh, when, um, the passion of waking up in the morning and something to do and belonging and a sense of purpose, uh, and a sense of vitality and independence, uh, I would not look forward to spending five, 10 years in a nursing home.
755
00:56:08.747 --> 00:56:09.727
Let's put it that way.
756
00:56:10.127 --> 00:56:10.688
Yeah.
757
00:56:10.708 --> 00:56:12.888
I wrote down somewhere between 100 and 200.
758
00:56:13.028 --> 00:56:16.870
Dr. Quillen, how long do you think humans can live?
759
00:56:18.713 --> 00:56:26.795
Theoretically, according to current biology, 120 is quite possible, and more than a few people have made it to that.
760
00:56:27.955 --> 00:56:37.497
According to some of the new gerontologists, people who are experimenting with various biochemical pathways, say that we can go way beyond that.
761
00:56:37.857 --> 00:56:38.878
And I would applaud them.
762
00:56:38.958 --> 00:56:48.160
I'm sitting up in the bleachers saying, we have ignored the greatest longevity substance on the planet Earth, which is optimal nutrition.
763
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:50.502
Let me take you down that pathway.
764
00:56:51.703 --> 00:56:55.767
As early as Adele Davis, I mentioned her book, Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit.
765
00:56:55.787 --> 00:57:00.072
She wrote that in 1954 and she talked about food and supplements that can help your health.
766
00:57:00.392 --> 00:57:01.914
Good, everybody ignored her.
767
00:57:01.934 --> 00:57:11.204
We fast forward to the orthomolecular people who wrote books in the 1970s talking about higher doses of nutrients can improve your health.
768
00:57:11.564 --> 00:57:20.574
We fast forward to Alan Gaby, brilliant MD, good friend, who wrote a book, Nutritional Medicine, and he talked about the therapeutic use of foods and supplements.
769
00:57:21.235 --> 00:57:27.922
What we're ignoring in this whole quest for longevity is the potential for optimal doses of nutrients.
770
00:57:28.463 --> 00:57:29.524
Now, let's think about this.
771
00:57:30.945 --> 00:57:32.026
At...
772
00:57:34.598 --> 00:57:37.199
50 essential nutrients in the textbooks.
773
00:57:38.339 --> 00:57:45.140
I think it's closer to 100 essential nutrients because I would talk about things like lithium and boron that they don't include.
774
00:57:46.041 --> 00:57:56.243
Anyway, if we included all the nutrients that I think are essential and built them in at optimal biochemical dosage so that, think about your at home.
775
00:57:56.303 --> 00:58:00.844
Let's say you've got a decent home and you've got wife, children, pet, whatever.
776
00:58:01.865 --> 00:58:07.731
everybody could improve their standard of living from surviving to thriving.
777
00:58:08.232 --> 00:58:10.894
And my quest is, you want to live longer.
778
00:58:11.415 --> 00:58:16.420
Let's figure out a way to optimize human biochemistry using nutrition.
779
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.625
And then you don't have to come up with these exotic drugs that you think might help.
780
00:58:21.665 --> 00:58:24.128
There's a Brian Johnson, a multimillionaire,
781
00:58:24.588 --> 00:58:39.035
who was in this quest to live forever, and he spent a couple million a year, and he's apparently not doing that well, but he's got a couple of medical doctors, and he's taken drugs like rapamycin, which are off-label, and a number of things that I would not have recommended.
782
00:58:39.055 --> 00:58:42.717
One of the things, I think he was a vegan for a while.
783
00:58:43.237 --> 00:58:44.838
Point is, you want to live longer.
784
00:58:45.378 --> 00:58:50.060
Let's figure out a way to optimize nutrition, and the problem with that is you can't patent any of it.
785
00:58:50.560 --> 00:58:56.927
So right now, big pharma is a half a trillion, a $500 billion a year industry in America.
786
00:58:57.688 --> 00:59:02.434
The nutrition supplement industry is somewhere around $50 billion, depending on which numbers you believe.
787
00:59:02.474 --> 00:59:04.276
So it's one-tenth of that.
788
00:59:05.056 --> 00:59:07.439
And I'm not trying to push supplements on people.
789
00:59:07.579 --> 00:59:11.484
What I am trying to say is, what if the dosage of...
790
00:59:13.497 --> 00:59:24.320
vitamin D. The RDA right now went from 400 IU to 600 IU, but if you go to the beach in a bathing suit, you make 10,000 to 20,000 IU.
791
00:59:24.921 --> 00:59:26.801
Is that the ideal dosage?
792
00:59:28.141 --> 00:59:29.542
What about if we take vitamin E?
793
00:59:30.682 --> 00:59:32.664
Vitamin E is essential in human nutrition.
794
00:59:32.684 --> 00:59:33.204
We know that.
795
00:59:34.325 --> 00:59:46.736
If you eat a diet rich in whole grains, meaning you brought home wheat, barley, you ground it up, made your own bread, it's got the germ in it, you might get 100 milligrams a day of vitamin E. Mixed to coprols and tokutrinos.
796
00:59:46.776 --> 00:59:47.017
Good.
797
00:59:47.917 --> 00:59:53.219
Today, the RDA is 15 milligrams and 90% of Americans don't get that.
798
00:59:53.939 --> 00:59:58.240
So you want to live longer, what's the optimal dosage of vitamin E?
799
00:59:58.380 --> 01:00:05.502
Because it's the most preeminent fat-soluble antioxidant in the human body, membrane stabilization.
800
01:00:05.962 --> 01:00:11.664
So when I read these textbooks on aging, they'll talk about genomic stability.
801
01:00:12.444 --> 01:00:16.367
What that means is DNA, that the human genome, is the blueprints.
802
01:00:16.827 --> 01:00:19.109
And it's basically saying, how do we make another Chris?
803
01:00:20.263 --> 01:00:27.186
And if that starts to corrode, become corrupted, decayed, that's the beginning of aging.
804
01:00:27.246 --> 01:00:30.688
So genomic stability is the beginning of the aging process.
805
01:00:31.168 --> 01:00:40.953
We know that things like folate and B12 and B6 all help to stabilize the human genome and prevent that decay.
806
01:00:41.513 --> 01:00:44.494
I'll have to admit that eventually we're all going to die someday.
807
01:00:44.894 --> 01:00:48.016
But I do think we can live much longer than the current lifespan.
808
01:00:49.861 --> 01:00:50.242
I love it.
809
01:00:51.202 --> 01:01:00.028
Dr. Quillen, what are two to three protocols, habits, mindsets, let's call them shortcuts because everybody likes shortcuts, to longevity and a long health span that you would share?
810
01:01:00.888 --> 01:01:02.349
Two to three shortcuts.
811
01:01:03.890 --> 01:01:04.411
Ah, boy.
812
01:01:05.371 --> 01:01:06.012
I would say...
813
01:01:07.683 --> 01:01:09.244
I'll give you three.
814
01:01:10.305 --> 01:01:12.146
Number one would be gratitude.
815
01:01:12.466 --> 01:01:16.989
I have found that you cannot be grateful and unhappy at the same time.
816
01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:20.151
And so I would encourage your viewers.
817
01:01:21.112 --> 01:01:23.293
I do this myself with a gratitude journal.
818
01:01:23.393 --> 01:01:25.595
Get up in the morning and write three things I'm grateful for.
819
01:01:26.015 --> 01:01:27.858
And you start focusing on those things.
820
01:01:28.358 --> 01:01:30.181
And it's an incredible calming agent.
821
01:01:30.281 --> 01:01:32.003
It's a fentanyl of sorts.
822
01:01:32.524 --> 01:01:33.165
Gratitude.
823
01:01:34.026 --> 01:01:36.730
Number two would be some form of exercise.
824
01:01:36.790 --> 01:01:39.233
Figure out something that you would do on a regular basis.
825
01:01:39.394 --> 01:01:42.177
Gardening, walking, biking, swimming.
826
01:01:43.278 --> 01:01:46.961
something that you would do, especially if you can do it with someone else.
827
01:01:46.981 --> 01:01:48.842
You've got a neighbor who likes to walk.
828
01:01:49.322 --> 01:01:51.003
So some form of exercise.
829
01:01:51.404 --> 01:01:55.366
And the third would be eating a whole food diet.
830
01:01:55.686 --> 01:01:58.368
I'd like people to think about this, real food.
831
01:01:59.809 --> 01:02:02.090
And that sounds awfully simple.
832
01:02:02.150 --> 01:02:05.933
But for instance, there's four aisles in the grocery store I want you to avoid.
833
01:02:05.993 --> 01:02:07.854
Number one is the soda drinks.
834
01:02:09.075 --> 01:02:11.035
Number two is the sugary breakfast cereals.
835
01:02:12.356 --> 01:02:15.677
Number three is the confectioners, the donuts and that kind of thing.
836
01:02:16.857 --> 01:02:22.438
And number four, I suppose we'd have to throw in the chips, all of the chips.
837
01:02:22.478 --> 01:02:24.999
So if we take those away, that's not real food.
838
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.040
And if I told people, so my three things is gratitude, exercise and real food.
839
01:02:31.240 --> 01:02:31.980
That's excellent.
840
01:02:32.901 --> 01:02:37.982
Dr. Quillen, what are one or two things people get absolutely wrong regarding longevity and a long health span?
841
01:02:39.805 --> 01:02:49.408
I think the assumption that you get these days is that ketogenic or vegan is going to be that leap into a longer life.
842
01:02:50.068 --> 01:02:51.888
I'll take you back to Weston Price.
843
01:02:52.289 --> 01:03:00.911
He and his wife, a nurse, traveled the world, 15 cultures and five continents, and they found across the board, they never found a vegan group.
844
01:03:01.551 --> 01:03:08.014
And here's what happens over the course of centuries, people find that eating animal food improves their vitality.
845
01:03:08.494 --> 01:03:12.396
So there are nutrients in animal food that are not found in plant food.
846
01:03:12.416 --> 01:03:13.897
Let's start with vitamin B12.
847
01:03:13.917 --> 01:03:15.858
Let's include zinc.
848
01:03:16.658 --> 01:03:18.400
Let's talk about carnitine.
849
01:03:19.781 --> 01:03:22.043
Let's talk about the amino acids.
850
01:03:22.063 --> 01:03:26.007
The amino acid pattern in animal food is much broader.
851
01:03:26.347 --> 01:03:31.571
Let's talk about proline and hydroxyproline, which are part of collagen.
852
01:03:32.212 --> 01:03:37.517
So I think a misnomer today is you need to be a vegan in order to be healthy.
853
01:03:38.257 --> 01:03:42.318
You need some animal food in your diet and Weston Price somewhat proved that.
854
01:03:42.418 --> 01:03:46.659
And the Mediterranean lifestyle includes some meats.
855
01:03:47.899 --> 01:03:49.979
Another one is sleep.
856
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.780
People ignore the importance of sleep.
857
01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:57.060
It's not something where you just sort of go offline.
858
01:03:57.240 --> 01:04:00.401
It's the ultimate construction for your body.
859
01:04:01.441 --> 01:04:05.922
It is the time when the janitors come in and sweep out the dust in your brain, the glial cells.
860
01:04:06.462 --> 01:04:08.364
It's a time when the body's rebuilding.
861
01:04:08.484 --> 01:04:09.525
It's autophagy.
862
01:04:10.406 --> 01:04:14.510
It is an incredibly important time, and for many people, it's fitful.
863
01:04:15.531 --> 01:04:16.712
They don't get enough sleep.
864
01:04:16.732 --> 01:04:18.374
They don't get good quality sleep.
865
01:04:18.394 --> 01:04:21.857
They go to bed on some horrific news or story.
866
01:04:22.337 --> 01:04:27.402
So having quiet, having darkness, sometimes melatonin.
867
01:04:27.442 --> 01:04:29.965
I find tryptophan and magnesium help me.
868
01:04:30.525 --> 01:04:35.027
As people mature, oftentimes their sleep becomes disheveled.
869
01:04:35.087 --> 01:04:38.468
It's not as predictable as it was when they were a child.
870
01:04:38.828 --> 01:04:41.809
And a little tip on sleeping, mouth taping.
871
01:04:43.409 --> 01:04:47.471
I started doing this about a year ago and I found a dramatic improvement in sleep.
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01:04:47.951 --> 01:04:51.652
So typically you should breathe through your nose and eat through your mouth.
873
01:04:52.332 --> 01:04:59.035
And too many of us fall asleep, the mouth falls open, and you start breathing through your mouth, which does a number of things.
874
01:04:59.575 --> 01:05:01.016
First, it dries up your mouth.
875
01:05:01.376 --> 01:05:04.938
The saliva helps to protect the teeth from dental caries.
876
01:05:05.378 --> 01:05:09.400
So a dry mouth is more likely to have periodontal disease and dental caries.
877
01:05:10.020 --> 01:05:11.801
And when you dry out your body...
878
01:05:12.541 --> 01:05:15.322
Now you've ended up dehydrated and fluid.
879
01:05:15.362 --> 01:05:18.723
The most essential nutrient in the human body is water.
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01:05:19.604 --> 01:05:21.844
So sleep with some mouth tape.
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01:05:21.884 --> 01:05:24.365
So I mentioned vegan, sleep, mouth tape.
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01:05:25.406 --> 01:05:28.807
And then I don't think you need to take fistfuls of supplements.
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01:05:29.247 --> 01:05:33.368
But in my humble opinion, some supplements are mandatory.
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01:05:34.168 --> 01:05:35.289
What we find is that
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Of the 50 essential nutrients in human nutrition, let's talk about, there's 118 elements in the periodic table.
886
01:05:45.865 --> 01:05:48.866
Of those 100, those are the building blocks of the planet Earth.
887
01:05:48.947 --> 01:05:51.868
Of those 118, about 90 are in the ocean.
888
01:05:52.689 --> 01:05:56.291
Of those 90, about 65 are in the human body in some form.
889
01:05:56.931 --> 01:06:00.353
Of those 65, they say 15 of those are essential minerals.
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01:06:01.094 --> 01:06:04.076
Of those 15, they put three of them.
891
01:06:04.990 --> 01:06:06.751
in the soil, NPK.
892
01:06:07.352 --> 01:06:10.734
And so what we have is very bad math.
893
01:06:10.794 --> 01:06:18.159
So the human body needs chromium, selenium, magnesium, boron, lithium, calcium, all of those minerals.
894
01:06:18.579 --> 01:06:20.020
Do they get added to the soil?
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01:06:20.140 --> 01:06:20.380
No.
896
01:06:21.341 --> 01:06:27.085
Does the level of fertilizer change the amount of minerals that can be absorbed by plants?
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01:06:27.125 --> 01:06:27.425
Yes.
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01:06:27.965 --> 01:06:32.048
So my third thing is some level of rational supplements change.
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01:06:32.228 --> 01:06:36.432
Things like coenzyme Q, which is a conditionally essential nutrient.
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01:06:36.452 --> 01:06:38.093
I mentioned the business of veganism.
901
01:06:40.355 --> 01:06:42.998
The best source of coenzyme Q is heart muscle.
902
01:06:43.898 --> 01:06:48.903
It's interesting, the old hunter, when they would hunt down an animal, they would eat the heart, sometimes raw.
903
01:06:49.463 --> 01:06:55.469
It's an extraordinary source of coenzyme Q, which is part of mitochondrial integrity.
904
01:06:55.489 --> 01:06:57.590
And now we get lost on that subject, Chris.
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01:06:59.092 --> 01:07:03.134
One of the whole pathways for aging is mitochondrial dysfunction.
906
01:07:03.835 --> 01:07:10.039
So the mitochondria, these little football energy factories within the cell, they're literally bacteria.
907
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:17.124
But as they lose their potency, we lose our ability to maintain our genomic stability, etc.
908
01:07:17.144 --> 01:07:18.685
So mitochondria are critical.
909
01:07:19.245 --> 01:07:20.466
And what's an important part of that?
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01:07:20.606 --> 01:07:21.686
Coenzyme Q.
911
01:07:21.766 --> 01:07:24.527
It's part of this whole electron transport.
912
01:07:25.327 --> 01:07:25.928
Niacin.
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01:07:26.408 --> 01:07:34.591
One of the cheapest supplements you can take is niacinamide, which helps to drive NAD, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide.
914
01:07:34.631 --> 01:07:37.512
And so now a very expensive supplement is NAD.
915
01:07:38.732 --> 01:07:45.638
Take it if you want, but if you take niacinamide, it's one-tenth the price, and you're increasing the amounts of NAD in the body.
916
01:07:46.038 --> 01:07:47.579
So, back to the business.
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01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:49.380
Do you need fistfuls of pills?
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01:07:49.481 --> 01:07:49.721
No.
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01:07:50.161 --> 01:07:52.983
But I do think some rational supplements are a good idea.
920
01:07:54.865 --> 01:07:56.446
Dr. Quillen, that was awesome.
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01:07:56.486 --> 01:07:56.946
Thank you.
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01:07:57.487 --> 01:07:58.688
How can people contact you?
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01:08:00.289 --> 01:08:05.613
I'm on the web, patrickquillen.com, gettinghealthier.com,
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01:08:06.913 --> 01:08:08.473
You can look me up on Amazon.
925
01:08:08.514 --> 01:08:10.354
I've written 21 books.
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01:08:10.594 --> 01:08:12.815
Most of them are still available on Amazon.
927
01:08:14.035 --> 01:08:16.116
I have social media, Facebook.
928
01:08:16.156 --> 01:08:18.616
I've got 25,000 followers on Facebook.
929
01:08:18.676 --> 01:08:20.917
I've got many on Instagram, YouTube.
930
01:08:21.457 --> 01:08:26.058
So if you go to any of the social media, you'll find some presence of me.
931
01:08:26.818 --> 01:08:29.419
And my quest, you know, I hope to make a decent living.
932
01:08:29.459 --> 01:08:32.480
But more importantly to me is, I believe, the Dalai Lama.
933
01:08:33.203 --> 01:08:35.087
He said, the purpose of life is to help others.
934
01:08:35.207 --> 01:08:36.850
And if you can't help people, don't hurt them.
935
01:08:37.992 --> 01:08:40.236
Well, that's what you and I are doing.
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01:08:41.018 --> 01:08:41.398
Excellent.
937
01:08:41.759 --> 01:08:44.264
And what in the near future are you excited about?
938
01:08:45.163 --> 01:08:45.583
Oh, boy.
939
01:08:46.964 --> 01:08:48.705
We didn't even get into my passions.
940
01:08:48.785 --> 01:08:51.007
I play guitar and piano at a restaurant level.
941
01:08:51.067 --> 01:08:53.108
Been doing that for 50 years.
942
01:08:53.588 --> 01:08:54.089
Wow.
943
01:08:54.209 --> 01:08:54.769
I entertain.
944
01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:56.891
I'm entertaining at a party on Saturday.
945
01:08:57.411 --> 01:08:58.171
I love gardening.
946
01:08:58.612 --> 01:09:02.634
Instead of having a lawn here in Carlsbad, I've got 60 fruit trees.
947
01:09:02.754 --> 01:09:03.575
I love gardening.
948
01:09:04.885 --> 01:09:07.206
I read extensively, travel once in a while.
949
01:09:07.687 --> 01:09:12.151
My partner and I have been to Australia and Florida and a cruise.
950
01:09:12.231 --> 01:09:17.055
And so I give up most days just full of zest for the life.
951
01:09:17.135 --> 01:09:29.125
And I hope that your viewers can obtain that sense of purpose, of belonging, of gratitude, of vacations, and embrace the joy of life.
952
01:09:29.165 --> 01:09:33.008
Because if you find things that are enjoyable and they're good for you,
953
01:09:33.328 --> 01:09:35.090
there's a pretty good chance you're going to repeat them.
954
01:09:36.671 --> 01:09:37.071
Excellent.
955
01:09:37.652 --> 01:09:37.912
All right.
956
01:09:38.032 --> 01:09:45.899
So you can find him at Patrick Quillen, Q-U-I-L-L-I-N.com, gettinghealthier.com.
957
01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:50.202
Find his books on Amazon and he is on social media.
958
01:09:50.242 --> 01:09:52.524
So I'm sure there's amazing content out there.
959
01:09:52.564 --> 01:09:54.646
Dr. Quillen, thank you so much for joining us today.
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01:09:55.307 --> 01:09:55.967
It's been a pleasure.
961
01:09:55.987 --> 01:09:57.148
You did a great job, Chris.
962
01:09:57.168 --> 01:09:57.969
Keep up the good work.
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01:09:58.589 --> 01:09:58.990
Thank you.
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01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:03.122
I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Live Beyond the Norms podcast.
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01:10:03.662 --> 01:10:05.443
Make sure to subscribe and follow.
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01:10:06.044 --> 01:10:13.428
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01:10:14.148 --> 01:10:25.615
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