Aliens

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Hello and welcome to Light Camera Aggro, the podcast with two friends, one film and various agreements.
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I'm Phil and it's game over, man, game over.
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And I'm Nikki.
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Not bad for a human.
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This week it's Phil's turn to share a movie he loves, and today he's bought the 1986 film Aliens.
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It all helps.
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Well that will come soon enough, but how's your week been?
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I've had a lovely week.
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That's enough of that, right?
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I've been away on holiday.
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I've been to Scotland, which is my happy place.
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Specifically, the place I go to in Scotland is my happy place.
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And it was just lovely by the sea, lots of fresh air, beach walks at night, you know, like coming home from the pub via the beach to do the shortcut.
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It's like it's it's rugged, but it's fancy as well.
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There's like nice restaurants and bars.
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Just had a lovely time, feel very refreshed, and at one back to you know, recharged, proper some holiday, and then what are it's at the end of August now, isn't it?
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When we're recording this.
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So Scottish schools have gone back.
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Oh, they go back to the book.
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School kids everywhere there a couple of weeks earlier, school kids all over the show in uniforms, and we're back.
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So well, we I say we England go back in the next week or two.
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So yeah, it's new start, September.
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We're we're getting there.
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I'm ready for a new start for work and stuff.
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I I picked my daughter up yesterday, my youngest daughter, daughter's number two.
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She'd been away this week up in the Lake District with teenage cancer charity, uh Ellen McCarthy.
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Um Ellen MacArthur.
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Yeah, that's the one.
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The the boats around the world or whatever she did after.
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So it was for siblings of people who had cancer, which I thought was absolutely fantastic.
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Yeah.
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And like she she made me laugh twice.
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She was telling me about she was talking to them all, and she had this Ella Ellen McCanth, she called her.
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Okay, and that and they all started laughing and stuff, and then um we were we were driving home and she went, I've literally just had the best time of my life ever, and I just got a flashback to pride, you know, when you're driving back with Bromley and he his parents and his parents go, so how was it?
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He said, Literally the best time of my life.
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But he told them he was going to catering college or whatever.
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We had this discussion in the car, me and Grace and Grace was like lying where she's been.
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Yeah, I was thinking that, but yeah, she said it was absolutely amazing.
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Oh, it's great, good for her.
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That sounds really good.
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Yeah, just a bit of a generally busy week with work and stuff for me.
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Caught up on a few episodes, carrying on enjoying Ted Lasso, which I'm still finishing.
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Roll remains spoiler-free.
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Good.
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The this week's episode of Star Trek Strange New Worlds was really fun, right?
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There was a just bear with me a second before you roll your eyes.
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There was a transporter accident where Scotty attempted to transport a puppet the furthest distance anyone had ever transported.
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So he transported all of the crew back into themselves, but was puppets.
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So it was like a watching an episode of the Muppets butting Star Trek, and it was really funny, it just worked really well.
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I know a lot of trekkies haven't liked it, but yeah, I just thought it was really funny.
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I'm so glad that that made you happy.
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It did.
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Okay, before we start, remember this is going to be full of spoilers.
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If you haven't seen aliens, now is the time to pause the pod and come back when you're done.
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We'll be waiting.
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Right, Phil, why did you choose aliens?
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And I'm gonna specifically ask why go in with aliens and not alien, which I now understand properly, is a whole other film from 1979.
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Yeah.
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So this is a bit of a seven-year jump.
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Yeah.
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So talk me through your reasoning.
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I watched Aliens before I watched Alien.
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Ah, okay.
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I really loved the 1979 film Alien, but it's more of a horror film where this is more of an action film.
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I have a connection to this film.
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The first time I watched this film, you know I'm absolutely shit at dates.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm terrible.
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Not shit on dates for all the ladies out there.
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I'm crap at remembering dates, but I remember this.
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I the first time I watched this was Christmas Day 1989.
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Right.
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The reason being, the next well, my mum passed away that day, so I'll never forget it.
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Don't get me wrong, it didn't spoil my viewing of the film because I didn't find out she'd passed away till the next day.
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Oh my lord.
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Right?
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But she'd passed away on Christmas Day.
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I'd watched this film that even while my mum was in hospital.
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So I'll always remember that.
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So it has a thing with me, this film.
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Funny enough, and I I hope it's always gay to say this parents, death, and stuff will talk more next week's podcast.
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Oh, yeah, next week is definitely a parental death film.
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So we'll talk about that more.
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Where this week we'll talk, we'll tell we'll explain what it is at the end.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So this we'll talk more about this film.
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I just really enjoyed this film.
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It was the first time I'd seen like such a big scale alien action stuff.
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The characters, I really like the characters in it.
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I'd I'd seen, I think I'd seen Sigoni Weaver in Ghostbusters before I'd seen this.
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And I I after watching this, I was like, oh my god, she is amazing.
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And then subsequently after seeing this, I watched Working Girl, which she is equally amazing.
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That's my Sigoni Weaver film.
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Yeah, I love that.
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But it was just, and I think I think this was the first time I proper seen a film where the action hero was female and it stopped.
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For you and many people, I guess.
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Because it wasn't really hero.
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Well, would we had Terminator at this point?
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Yeah, I'd had I seen Terminator, I probably would have seen Terminator.
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So the interest interesting thing now you bring up Terminator.
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This film was written by James Cameron in his downtime while he was filming Terminator.
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And also the character Vasquez, you know, the movie.
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She plays the stepmom in Terminator 2.
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Okay.
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And that we will do Terminator 2 down the line, so I can do the famous Sarah Carner line.
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But yeah.
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So famous I didn't know that that was a line, and I have seen the film.
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You you not know Sarah Carner.
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You not know that as well.
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I know I'll be back.
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Yeah.
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That's all I know from Terminator.
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So yeah, it just resonates with me.
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I still enjoy it today, and I still think this film looks fantastic to this day.
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You think it's 1986, was it?
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It was.
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And it's you know, the effects look great, you know.
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Okay, there's a couple of shots where you can tell it's like a map painting behind, or or it's a it's a miniature, but I think it's just perfect, the film.
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So there's quite a lot to unpack there that you shared.
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Yeah.
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I'm really interested, and I don't want to dig deep because it's not the point of the podcast.
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Like, I would have thought uh this film would have sad connotations.
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No, no.
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Okay.
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No, because I enjoyed the film the following day, obviously very sad.
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Yeah.
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Because I didn't know at that point, but I enjoyed the film.
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Okay.
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I really enjoyed the film.
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And you were young, so it's it's I was 15?
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I was 15 at the time.
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I wasn't expecting you to share details, but that's fine.
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So you were young, so therefore this was still the child's childish excitement of a cool film.
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Yeah, it's it was the fair again, it was the first time watching this type of movie, and it was kind of like I was shipped off to my aunties.
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So, so in a bit of detail, my mum, my mum had to be taken to hospital.
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We sort of got left, and then suddenly family came around, took my two brothers to one place, and I went to my aunties, and they sort of like as you did back in those days, just it'd be alright, just put them in the room and left while they all discussed what was going on in the kitchen.
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I was just sort of left in the living room, and she had sky.
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We didn't have sky back then, so they had sky.
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So I was like, Oh my god, they're just movie channels, and and I switched on.
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I was like, What's this?
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And I started watching it.
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Wow, and I thought, and and I knew I'd heard people talk about alien, yeah, and I was and it was a bit of a horror.
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I think the tagline for alien is no one in space, no one can hear you scream.
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So I was like, okay, and then I started seeing like marines and I started seeing like spaceships, and I was like, okay, I can vibe with this.
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So I don't have such a resonant feeling about watching this because I watched it for the first time yesterday.
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Yeah.
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I've been away on holiday, got back the day before yesterday, so I knew I had to get this watched.
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Watched it yesterday.
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Uh, I'd never seen it, I've never seen Alien, and I have never I've never had any interest in any of it because Did you know anything about them before?
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No, I and I didn't really know Alien and Aliens were two separate films.
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I mean I knew there was a whole bunch of them, that's what I knew.
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I knew Scorney Weaver was very much in them, and I know that I've seen you know gifts and memes of the alien face right next to her face.
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So I knew that.
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And the only other thing I knew about any of it was, and I've seen it on various things, John Hurt having an alien punch its way through his stomach and him flying around in pain.
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That's quite graphic in the face film.
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And I didn't know what I didn't know in which film it was in.
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It's horrific, and I don't and I'm not exaggerating when I say that is not it's not beyond the realms of possibility that that's pretty much why I don't want kids.
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There's a whole other bunch of reasons that I can sort of I can say, like, well, I have a big family and I grew up looking after lots of children and I like my own independence and blah de blah di blah.
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All that's true.
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But ultimately, the horror of giving birth in reality with women and people who give birth doesn't seem massively different from what happens to John Henry, right?
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It doesn't seem massively different.
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It's just like it is just a baby punching its way out of your body, you know what I mean?
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And I just can't go over that, and that is a horror film to me.
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So, never went anywhere near any of this.
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Didn't really appreciate Aliens was its own film until you mentioned it last week.
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Yeah, so with where so what are the reasons for choosing this over the original?
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I think the original, you don't like horror films.
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Never do I want to see a horror film in my life, thank you.
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And the original's more horror where this is more accurate.
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You said this last week, and I was happy that you said that because that reassured me.
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And then yesterday, when I sort of came to put it on, I was like, you know, I'd been away, I was knackered, I just wanted to chill, and I was like, oh for God's sake, I've got to watch this stupid film that Phil's making me watch.
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And it was two hours 17.
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So it's a bit aggro you gave me.
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Yeah, it is the aggro.
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Oh god, I can give you aggro.
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It was two hours seventeen, and it was rated 18, and it was Disney.
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I think it was Disney, I watched it on.
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It was classed as I think action adventure horror.
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So I'm like, well, there is horror, and it's an 18, so it's gonna be horrific.
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And this is two hours 17 minutes of my life that I don't want to waste doing this, and that's what I felt yesterday going into this.
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Okay, just to give you set the scene.
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Okay, so I'm getting a vibe already.
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So, did you know?
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Did you know this was a troubled shoot when they shot it?
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It was shot at Paramwood, it was shot at Paramwoods.
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Cameron hated that.
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Us British like our tea breaks and things, and apparently there was a lottery they did where they put some money into a tin and and they pull it out, and one member of the crew every week would walk away with 400 pounds and stuff.
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That's nice, and he seeing his arse over it and stuff.
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Workers' rights, yeah.
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So so let's get let's get to it.
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So it starts off with a ship floating in space.
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Yes, right, and that ship has been floating for 57 years, but obviously you didn't know this.
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There's loads of stuff in the opening bits that I was like, oh, I could have done with watching the first one.
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However, I'm not gonna watch the first one.
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No, but it does explain it as it's not.
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It does eventually, but I had questions.
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So so basically you see the see the ship, you see the interior of the ship, it's the it's quite quiet music, a bit airy, and then you see like a a laser welder cut open the door, and you see some sort of the space miners, and they think they've found something that they can keep, and then we see that Ripley's asleep.
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Yeah, she's in a cryostasis with Jonesy the cat.
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To me, she was just asleep, and also I knew she was called Ripley, so the character of Ripley is obviously just everywhere because that's not something I didn't know already.
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Yeah, she wakes up and it's on a space station floating around the earth, and I don't know whether they've done that for quarantine because she's been out in space so long or anything.
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Because in once you've seen this film, you know there's a sinister underplock going on.
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Do they know where she's been?
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The company, yeah.
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The company.
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So they like they reported in the first film, they reported they'd heard a SOS and they landed on L V427.
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Uh is this LV427?
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I don't think we need to get bogged down in the middle.
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It's 426.
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It's 426.
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I miss mistaken.
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They'd found something, so they knew something had gone on, but then after she'd blown up the ship, their ship floated off into space and obviously got found.
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So she wakes up, Burke comes in.
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Burke is Carter Burke.
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It's Paul Rice.
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Riser, Risa, Riser, Riser.
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Riser, I don't know, I've never known, and yet I've loved him for ages.
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And I I always got a dodgy vibe off him from straight away.
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Well, I've put quote, he says he works for the company, but he's an okay guy.
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I'm an okay guy.
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So the minute you're saying I'm an okay guy, even though I work for these people, shows that he's not an okay guy.
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Yeah, he's not an okay guy.
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You didn't really think he was.
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And he explains to her that she's been asleep for 57 years.
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Yeah.
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She's in shock, and then all of a sudden, she starts feeling her tummy.
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Yeah, I was going mad at you at this point.
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It is Aura.
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You see, it's so you see, you she lifts up a top and you see like sort of a skin move, and then she wakes up as a dream.
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Now, this is what puzzled me for a long time in this film.
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It's a dream, fine.
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Yeah.
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But she didn't dream that she's been there for 57 years.
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No, no.
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And I thought that was part of the dream too.
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No, no, because it doesn't make any differentiation between which bit is the dream and which isn't.
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So I thought, okay, she's not been there for 57 years.
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But ages later in the film they say something about that she's like, Yeah, no, she has like she had been in cryo sleep for 57 years.
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And the other thing I couldn't work out at this point, I couldn't work out when this was supposed to be set.
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Is it like modern day?
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Like, is it supposed to be No, it's in the future.
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I didn't know that though.
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So, like Paul Ryser, Riser, I don't know.
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I'm just gonna say Riser and I apologise for everybody concerned.
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Paul Ryser looks like a guy from the 80s.
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He's got a sort of curly mobile.
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Yeah, well it's this 80s and tie.
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Yeah, it is, it's the suit as well, and he just looks like he looked like he looked in the 80s.
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So of course I'm like, okay, it's a Beverly Hill's coffee.
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And everyone in the 80s was making films about space, weren't they?
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It feels like there's a lot of stuff like that.
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So it just feels like that's it's an exploratory thing that NASA are doing or the company or something like that.
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It was only when I was reading up about it afterwards, reading all different things.
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It's like 2100 and something.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's it's basically nowhere near, we're not even anywhere near it yet.
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Yeah.
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So that confused me, no end.
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Here's a question as we go through this.
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Did you watch the special edition or did you watch the theatrical edition?
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I have to do that.
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Because there's two versions of this film.
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Okay.
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There's a director's cut and a theatrical cut.
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I have no idea.
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For the for the podcast, I did the theatrical cut.
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Okay.
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Right.
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So I may cut out some scenes.
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Did you see a scene where Ripley finds out her daughter had died?
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No, because I only know she had a daughter when I was reading IMDb triple.
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Okay, so you've watched the theatrical cut then, right?
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So we're both on the daughter.
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Just checking we're both on the same film.
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I will say the director's cut's far superior because it does add more content to it, and it's content that should have been in, but they cut it for time on cinemas and things like that.
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Yeah, no, the whole fact that she had a kid previously was I had no clue about that from this film.
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And her mother and stuff all that, yeah.
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So, anyway, there's an investigation into what had happened.
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The company uh set up, and Ripley's explaining to them that they sat down on a planet and they found eggs, and one of the eggs had an alien that jumped out and stuck on somebody's face and implanted an alien inside them.
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Ghost, gross, gross.
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Then the alien popped out and killed everybody.
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And they said, and all the times we've gone to plants, we've never encountered such a thing.
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There's been no indigenous species and stuff.
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And she goes, It wasn't indigenous, it's a ship had crashed there, and they said, Well, there's some colonists on that planet, and they haven't reported anything.
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So this whole scene infuriated me because it's a woman not being believed.
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That's the first thing.
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It's a woman with experience not being believed.
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Secondly, it's a boardroom full of men who are listening to the woman, talking over whatever.
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They're all pretty much.
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It's just it's like it's got so many parallels to women in the workplace and women be uh you know, sort of reporting to the police assaults and not being listened to.
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It's horrible, horrible.
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But what I found interesting was it kind of definitely filled in some blanks from you know what's just happening.
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So I think that's what's set up.
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Which is handy for you.
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But what was cool was that as she's talking, the in the background there's a screen with like photographs or you know, kind of ID pics of the previous film.
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That film cast the previous film cast, yeah.
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And so suddenly Harry Dean Stanton is there, so I was like, oh hello, I know I know who you are.
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Well the cat, Josie was his cat.
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Oh yeah, but also starred Tom Skerritt of Top Gun Fame.
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He was in it.
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So I well I looked up just out of interest at this point actually, I paused it, the previous cast of the first film.
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Yeah, and it felt like just on sort of looking scanning through it, loads more big hitters in that than there are in the second.
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Oh no.
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What?
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There's a couple of big hitters in this.
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Uh is there?
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Yep.
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Bill Paxton?
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Yeah, okay.
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Michael Bean.
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A big hitter if you know the Terminator, but he's not what else, you know what I mean?
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He's not Oh, he's been in lots of TV stuff.
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Okay, but I'd never seen him.
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I've never heard of him until I watched the Terminator, and I was looking up, going, Who is this guy?
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I've never seen him or heard of him.
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I'm not knocking him, good for him.
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But my point is, you know, there's Hollywood people, there's famous people in the first one.
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This one, no, everyone does their job.
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I'm not slagging anyone off.
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They all did a great job.
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But I was surprised to see the difference in, for example, how much money you would have had to have spent in the first film to get that cast compared to the second film, where I'd imagine Segoni Weaver got a decent watch, but not much to everyone else.
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It would have been a less famous cast.
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So for the first aliens, I read this, I did a bit of trivia reading.
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For the first alien movie, Sigoni Weaver got paid£35,000.
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Now, one of the things with the first alien film, you didn't know she was the hero of the movie.
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The way it was filmed, you thought Tom Skerett was going to be the hero, and that it's not Sigoni Weaver.
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In this one, you got you're going in knowing she's the hero.
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Well, I didn't I didn't go in knowing that, other than the fact that I was gonna be able to do it.
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And in this in this film, she got paid a million quid.
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Now, the movie studios didn't want to pay her that, but James Cameron said there's nobody else who who can play this part, and he publicly stated he wanted her, so they had to pay her that.
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Yeah, they have to because she without her, I mean she makes the film, I think.
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She's brilliant.
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Yeah, so let's get on with the story.
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So the they make it known that there's 60-70 families live living on LV426.
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They make it known that there's 60-70 families living on the planet and they are terraforming it ready for other people to live there.
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And in her testimony, which they don't listen to, she basically says she saw eggs.
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Yeah.
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So this could all be kicking off out there.
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Yeah.
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Who knows if one if one alien could wipe off my entire crew in less than 24 hours, who knows what's going on there?
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Anyway, cut that scene, and Ripley's struggling to sleep, and she gets a knock at the door.
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It's Burke and Lieutenant Gorman.
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They come to talk to Ripley's.
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She's lost they've lost contact with LV426, and they want her to go with them to be an advisor.
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She tells them to basically go fuck themselves.
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Why would she go back there after what's gone on?
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And at this point, I'm like going, who is the company?
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Like, who are they?
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Are they like a government NASA style thing or is it a secret under No, they're just like a big company like that dominate everything.
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Are they a company?
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Is that what the company are?
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But you never really find out what's going on.
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But I I want to know what are they good or bad, basically.
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I'm trying to work out are they are they just genuinely at this point?
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I think by the end, certainly you understand Burke's role or his sort of goodness or badness.
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But I just yeah, we just had lots of questions about is are these legit people that are asking her this?
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I just I think that they're a bit dodgy.
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Okay.
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I think I think they want they want to dominate markets and they'll do anything to to get that, which you'll see later in the film.
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So she turns them down and she goes to work in a cargo hold.
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We don't see her go to work, but we know that's what she's doing because she tells them, and Berk tries to say, if you come and help us with this, we will reinstate your flight status so you can go and do your previous job.
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And the thing she's doing, whether it is working in the cargo thing, is it it's implied that this is she's well beyond this.
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Yeah, yeah, she shouldn't be wasting her time doing this.
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Although, as we see when she gets on the ship, I think that's one of the coolest things ever, right?
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So she wakes up from another nightmare and she rings Berk and she says she will go as long as it's a kill, not capture operation.
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And he says 100% cue the big ship, the Silako flying past.
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You're saying these things like I know what they are.
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It's the big ship that you see fly past the screen, it looks like a gun in space, okay, big gun.
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And you see, people slowly start to wake up.
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Now that shot, right?
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Eat cryo sleep chamber that they were in cost something like 4,200 to make, and the budget was constrained, so they could only make four pods.
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So they used mirrors to make it look like there was 12.
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So very clever, very clever film making.
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Good stuff, and this scene was the last scene to be shot in the film.
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I read the look we both read IMDB trivia.
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No, I didn't, I read other trivia.
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So basically, they'd all got to know each other before, and the camaradi was good.
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Yeah.
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And we we see all these space marines wake up, and you've got Hicks, you got Hudson, you got Vasquez, Gorman, who the lieutenant, AP.
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Pone, who's the sergeant, I like A Pone.
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Yeah, he was he was really good, really well played.
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Yeah.
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Um everyone did a good job here.
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I think it like I was saying before, I didn't feel like they were massively famous, but it doesn't matter.
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And can we just say, Gorman, I knew his face, I knew it so well, and I just couldn't work it out.
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So I obviously got on IMDB while I was watching it, and I knew him from an episode of Midsummer Murders.
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Oh, of course you did.
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So yeah, he was older and it was like, you know.
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I love how you link these into this too.
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No, it's true.
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These I I've seen him in other stuff, but I just couldn't place him.
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Yeah, so I love I love the line in this where Vasquez is doing pull-ups.
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Vasquez, she she's she's a hard ass bitch, isn't she?
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She's boss.
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She's boss.
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I mean that in a good way, right?
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Hudson says to her, Have you ever been mistaken as a man?
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And she goes, No, have you?
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And I thought that was really funny.
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Hudson is taken that's taken off a classic film.
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Okay.
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That's a classic film from years ago.
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And you're gonna quote the classic film?
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Do you want me to have a look?
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I really don't care.
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I just wanted to show that you can't say these random things.
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I read it this morning.
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No knowledge about it.
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I read it this morning.
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What I was gonna say was I couldn't stand Hudson.
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I just couldn't stand him.
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He's just like, I mean, there's so many He's a mouthy bastard.
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There's so many blokes like that in the world that give it large, and then when shit goes down, they panic.
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And he was just hence hence one of my favourite lines of it was game over, man, game over.
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Okay, I just think he's I just yeah, I just despised him because he's just a dick.
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He was really well played by Bill Paxton.
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I love Bill Paxton.
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Bill Paxton in the 80s was killed by a Terminator, killed by an alien, killed by a predator, which are the three of the biggest action movies in the 80s Terminator, Aliens, and Predator.
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What's interesting about that is I know Bill Paxton because I know his name, I know his face, but I've never seen him in any movie.
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Obviously, you've said Terminator, I have seen Terminator, but didn't pay too much attention.
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But he's not someone across my favourite films.
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So in Terminator, he's one of the first people the Terminator kills when he goes, I want your clothes.
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Like I'm supposed to remember it.
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I've seen it once.
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Listen, everybody who's listened to this podcast will know exactly.
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Oh my god, Phil sounds like Olaf Schwarzenegger.
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Is that is that what they say?
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Is that so so yeah, he's he was in three major franchises.
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You've never seen Twister?
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No.
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Oh, that's what I'll bring to the podcast.
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That's a really good film.
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You don't just randomly bring films, though.
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No, in a future series.
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The films we do, I suppose you've got to be a little bit more than a few.
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I don't know, I love that film.
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I love that film.
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They've made you the person you are, not just random film you want to do.
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Um there's an Android on board, yes, and Ripley is annoying.
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So when when when they wake up, they they go for breakfast, dinette or some kind of meal.
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Uh one of the crew go go on Bishop, do this.
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You've seen Bishop, haven't you, in films?
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I recognise his face, but I don't know what's from Henrikson.
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Yeah, I don't know what from.
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And he basically he basically puts his hand above Hudson's hand and then starts stabbing him between the fingers with a knife, but does it like really really fast, and you hear Hudson screaming because you know he's he's mouthy, like you just said, but he sees his bit of a shit bag, and this shows that straight away.
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As he's done it, he's basically he's nipped his finger a little bit, Bishop, and it's white blood, and then Ripley realizes he's an Android and she kicks off because in the previous film.
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In the previous film, is it Ian Holm?
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He's in the previous film, yeah.
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He's a heavy heavyweight, yeah.
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He plays an Android, but he works for the company and he's trying to get the alien home and sacrifice the crew for the alien.
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Right, okay.
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So she kicks off.
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We now start to get to the bit where they start to get everything ready, and they're talking about what's gonna happen down on LV426.
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Ripley starts to talk about what happened to her, and none of them are interested.
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They are just yeah, they don't listen to it's it's the whole there's so many things in this that relate to real life.
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There's like not listening to people's lived experience, not listening to older, wiser people who've been there and done that before, giving you advice, giving you advice when you are young and full of you know confidence.
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Really interesting.
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And I found Sigoni Weaver in this so good because obviously she's not there as a leader, she's there just to be able to advise.
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And what I thought was brilliant was as she's talking, trying to she's quite softly spoken with them, she's not kind of shouting orders or anything, as she's talking to them about what she saw and experienced.
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Her face, her eyes are terrified, she shows fear in her eyes.
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It's brilliant.
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And then when when they all start joking around, she gets pissed off and and like shouts at them and says, Look, this thing worked up my whole crew in 24 hours, you know.
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God knows what's going on down there with those families, and and they kind of listen at that point where she's she shouts, but as I say, they're more interested in what women are on the planet and all the stuff like that.
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Even the Sarge, even A Pones joking about it and stuff, and then Hudson has the line.
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He says any questions, and Hudson has the line, how do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?
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And I couldn't stop laughing at him.
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He's such a dick.
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I could I wasn't laughing at Hudson.
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I think there's too many people who are like that, and it drives me mad.
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So they start to prep the ship.
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.279
Ripley feels like she's a bit of a spare part, and she goes, Can I do anything?
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.799
They go, Can you do anything?
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.880
And she goes, Well, I can work that load there.
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.279
Now, this is obviously uh pre-setting up for the final battle.
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.359
There's a couple of bits where I could have shouted foreshadowing at the screen.
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:48.160
But I still still to this day, when she gets in that load, I'm like, that looks fucking cool.
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.000
I'd love to have a goal with one of them.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.359
And it's still a child.
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.359
No, but I still think like like even watching I was like, how did they do that?
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.960
You know, back in the day, but yeah.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:01.759
It's like just a quick aside, there's a place, a couple of places I think called Diggerland.
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:15.119
I know my um sister took my niece and nephew there for one of their birthdays, and it's basically a big load of wasteland with just old JCBs and diggers and you know, cra big caterpillar tyre sort of how do a book it and do you know what it looks like it does look bad.
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:15.759
Can we go?
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.119
I'm like, I would love that actually.
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:18.160
Do you have to drive a digger?
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.640
You know, when we start earning money on this podcast, that's our first place we go.
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.319
Which she does also a day out of it.
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.920
Single hand, it is like meaning that if he was like seven or something, but oh I was like, God, that's so good.
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:38.480
Anyway, so we get to the ship, and the music's building up tensions as drums, loads of tension, really good building.
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:39.440
It's done really well.
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:56.079
It is um the the ship has to drop out of the solarco what they're going on to get into the planet, and it is literally like terrifying the way this drops, and you see Lieutenant Gorman, and he looks like he's absolutely shitting himself.
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.240
Yeah, and they say how many how many how many drops have you done?
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.920
He says 37, 35 simulated, and this is my second real one.
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.680
So at that moment, I was like, he's fodder, yeah.
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:28.319
They've sent him out there because he's nobody important, and you can see he's looking nervous, and then I like the other bit that comes into this that they're checking the cameras and stuff as it's going on because they've all got like shoulder cameras and stuff, which is very much foreshadowing for what happens now with Marines and police and stuff, they've all got cameras.
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:30.400
That's great, you know.
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.960
Looking forward to what the future could have been like.
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:40.559
Um, Hicks is asleep as it's going on, like the whole ship's shaking, and so somebody wake up Hicks, so he's just dead cool with it all.
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:41.599
I like Hicks a lot.
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.039
I like Hicks, but we learn that it's okay to like Hicks eventually.
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.960
At the moment, he's just one of the jocks, isn't it?
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.039
Yeah, he's but he's a bit quieter than the rest.
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:58.559
He's not the one shouting and joking at Hudson when Hudson's making his stupid stuff, and then when they're all going on about how many women are that, he's just quiet, he's just keeping himself.
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:09.759
You're right about that, but you only know that now you go back because I think at this point they're just to me, they're just a mass, they're just a group who are all giving it large, and yeah, you can sort of gradually start to see individual personalities.
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:16.960
Yeah, and Hudson definitely seems to be the biggest knobed of them all, but yeah, I think at this point I hadn't separated out Hicks at all.
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.599
I was just yeah annoyed by the vast majority of them.
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:26.480
Yeah, so they fly through the atmosphere, which is really rough, and then they come up on the facility, so they circle the facility.
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.240
You can see all the powers still on, but there's no life there whatsoever, it looks abandoned.
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:37.519
So they decide to set down cue rain because rain always gives atmosphere, doesn't it?
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.400
You know, it reminds me of Blade Runner.
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:45.279
If you haven't seen Blade Runner, I don't know why you asked me if it's always raining, okay, and it sets great atmosphere.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.480
Is that Rocka Hauer?
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.240
Yeah, and Harrison Ford.
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:48.480
Okay.
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.519
That's one I think you'll like because nothing happens in it.
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:51.839
Right?
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:52.960
You like films where nothing happens?
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.599
A meeting of minds where they discover life together.
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:56.480
Yes, actually it is.
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:56.880
Is it?
00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:57.680
Yes, it is.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:58.960
Is it a romance?
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:00.000
Yes, it is.
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:01.680
A romance or an actual romance?
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:02.480
No, an actual romance.
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:03.359
Oh, how do they get together?
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:04.079
No, Rocka Howard.
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.200
Harrison Ford and Rocka Howard.
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:06.799
No, no, Rachel.
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.200
Okay.
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.559
So, anyway, well, instead of going off on one.
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:16.160
So, they send a batch of marines through first, the place looks trashed.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:22.559
They discover a hole in the floor which looks melted, and then one of them says, She said ask her for blood.
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.519
So they start to realise something's gone on here.
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.119
There's been a firefight, small arms firefight, and stuff's gone.
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.960
Lieutenant Gorman is very quick to go, the police are secure, let's go in.
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.720
And Vicky's like, What?
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:42.640
So they go in and they basically start to look for on the computer if there's any signs of life.
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:48.799
Can't find anything, but they see there's barricades on doors, but they've been busted through.
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.880
So they know something's gone on serious.
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.960
So where's the exploring the facility?
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.200
They come they see movement on the tracker.
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:56.319
Somebody runs past.
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.359
Yeah, it's like a property.
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.160
I think the trackers are an amazing way of actually building tension.
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:04.799
Definitely.
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:05.440
Yeah.
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:14.960
They're a bit scared because they know something's gone on, and then all of a sudden, something moves, the marines fire, and the other marine stops it, and and it's a little girl.
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.799
With very matted hair, very, very matted hair, and just a doll's head.
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.519
Oh, yeah.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.160
I just think that's so powerful as well.
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:27.039
That in the worst of times, she's literally surviving and has done for however long.
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:27.200
Yeah.
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:34.160
But she's got a doll's head, which is all like messed up and like sort of fire damage and everything, but she's still got a doll.
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:39.839
Apparently, they picked this this girl because she wasn't an actress and she didn't smile all the time.
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.240
Yeah, she was brilliant.
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:43.680
I really believed in her.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:49.839
They locate all the the colonists, and they're under the heat facility of the reactor.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.400
So they decide to send the team down to go and see them.
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.160
You know the shit's gonna happen now, don't you?
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.799
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.880
It's with the tension constantly just gradually ramping up all the coins.
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:05.440
So they send they send them down, and as they're going down, Ripley goes, What sorts of rounds do those guns fire?
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:10.640
And Gorman's very happy, going, Oh, this they fire explosive blah blah blah rounds.
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.000
I can't remember exactly what it is.
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:20.720
And she goes, They're right below a reactor, whatever it ruptures the coolants, and and then Bert goes in, so yeah, you're right, you can't fire them, so they're reduced to flames.
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:21.359
That's it.
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.119
Q seeing the woman.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.119
Now, did this freak you out this bit?
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.160
Because I forgot this was in there with the woman sort of up on the wall, suspended, yeah.
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.599
And she's saying, Kill me, kill me.
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:34.880
You're a great acting there.
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:35.920
Yeah, like that, yeah.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.920
It the whole thing was creeping me out.
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:38.720
It wasn't just that.
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.440
The whole time they were creeping around and building, you know, we're building something, I knew something gross was gonna happen.
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.440
Yeah, we can see the whole thing looked disgusting.
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.839
Yeah, well you see, it goes from like metal structure to looking organic.
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:51.440
It looked slimy, yeah.
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:56.480
It reminded me very much of the slimy slug in Star Wars, you know, the kind of the big jab of the hut.
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:03.279
Yeah, with the big oozy yuck stuff coming out, and it's just I just felt like it was we're in that world where it's just it could be anything.
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:03.599
Yeah.
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.000
Because it's not, you know, we're not on earth.
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:12.079
So I was just completely grossed out, and I was as half not looking because I was right, writing notes and also because I was grossed out.
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.480
So yeah, just seeing that woman was just it.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:21.679
And I knew I remembered there was a chest busting scene, but it's not to the level of detail what was in the first one.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.360
So I did think you would be alright with that.
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.000
Yeah, not alright thing, oh that's lovely things that happen, but cozy and heartwarming moments.
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, oh look at her little baby, yeah, but it's it's not too graphic.
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.639
No, I I got through it.
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:43.679
So they flame her, the the mini alien, and all of a sudden the walls start to come alive, and aliens are coming from anywhere, grabbing people, killing people.
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.079
A Pone, the Sarge, gets it.
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.239
Yeah, one of them by accident flames the bag, which has got all the ammo in, so you know it's gonna blow.
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.800
Yeah, so they all run off, and Gorman's panicking.
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.639
You can see he's shit at his job.
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.679
He's not the man for this.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.119
He's panicking.
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.519
So Ripley takes control, she drives the little rover that they've arrived in.
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:04.719
Do you know what that actually was?
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.280
That vehicle that was a repurposed vehicle that pulls planes along the tarmac.
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:09.519
Yeah.
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.920
You know what you know when you go to the airport next.
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:12.239
Okay.
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.760
Yeah, just have a look at the vehicle that pulls a plane, and you'll go, fucking hell, yeah, it's just that painted green.
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:18.880
It's that's all as it is.
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.519
I might be more excited about going on holiday, but we'll see.
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:22.480
Let's see if I stop.
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.800
You'll be like, that podcast film, yeah, that's right.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.159
Thanks for that, Phil.
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:26.480
Yeah.
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:35.599
So she drives she drives off to get them through corridors and all sorts, and she breaks through some of the organic material and gets them.
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:41.199
And as she gets them, Vasquez's friend, the blonde guy, I don't know his name, I forget his name.
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.960
He gets hit by acid, and oh, basic, basically, he's a goner.
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:51.119
But as he turns, he flames inside of their vehicle, and there's all fires going off.
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.719
Ripley drives away.
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.400
Vasquez is in bits because her best friends just perished.
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:01.440
They break out the facility and they've busted the axle, they're in shit street.
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.079
They've seen what's gone on and they're all panicking now.
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.639
I think at this point I was now aware, oh okay.
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:11.760
Obviously, we're just gonna watch one by one go who's next, who who who is the fodder?
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.480
And I think I recognised that Hudson was fodder, and I was gonna be excited about that.
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.639
And I thought Gorman was as well, and I would maybe be a bit sad because he's not horrible, he's just a bit shit.
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:21.519
He's just cracking.
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.519
Yeah, it wasn't right for the role.
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.199
And I wasn't sure about Vasquez at all.
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:26.880
I didn't know whether she would still be around.
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.920
I was just I was sort of looking around at this point, going, right, who's next?
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:30.079
Yeah.
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.920
Because I could see that that was how it was gonna go.
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:47.920
Yeah, so they call in the the drop ship, the drop ship comes over, but as as the pilot, the female pilot, looks around for a mate to come through the cabin, an alien comes and he sort of touches goo as he walks in, and the goo kind of becomes Yeah.
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.000
Well, that's that's a sign there's there's got to be an alien.
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.559
You can you know, foreshadowing he's he's a goner.
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.480
Yeah, I've I always think the aliens bit a face off or something, you know.
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:09.039
You see, like it's mouth open, and the little mouth comes out and grabs, the ship crashes, nearly takes out all the Marines and Ripley, and that's with the iconic line, which I can now say for the third time in the podcast it's game over, man, game over.
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.280
Hudson's bricking it's retired that now.
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.119
He's bricking it constantly.
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:18.719
Yeah, he just uh you know, over in he's in over his head.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:24.719
Gorman had been knocked out, so he can't make any decisions, so they're trying to decide what to do.
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:33.840
Rippey comes up with an idea of basically getting back up to the Solarco and nuking the facility from space because the only way to be sure you'll kill all of the aliens.
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:39.039
Burke is a bit unhappy because he's like, This is a multimillion dollar facility, you can't just make these decisions.
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.840
The minute he starts quoting money, that's where we know who he is.
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:42.880
Yeah, exactly.
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:52.960
So they turn to Hicks, you're you're the most senior command now because Gorman's out of it, and then Burke goes, No offence, but you're just a grunt, and he goes, Non offence taken, we go nuke from space.
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.159
Yeah, it was quite nice to see that Burke didn't actually have any jurisdiction really, and he sort of ranked.
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:05.760
So when they go back in the facility after they decide they're gonna nuke from space, Newt says they mostly come out at night.
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:07.760
Yeah, and that was so chilling.
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.159
Yeah.
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.679
Stuff she's had to deal with.
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:24.079
So they've they figured out that they they've got a remote drop, a drop ship from the Solarco back so they can get off the planet, and they're trying to decide how to do it because none of them want to go outside because of aliens and they'll get killed.
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.920
And Bishop volunteers to do it.
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:29.119
Now, this now you go on about things that creep you out.
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:38.559
This scene always creeps me out where they cut open the pipe and he crawls along the pipe, and you see the camera, he's in the pipe and he's crawling to go to the satellite dish.
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:40.400
I find that horrible, claustrophobic.
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:41.519
Okay, okay.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.920
I didn't think about that, so it didn't register.
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:45.679
Oh, I hate that, hate that scene every time.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:46.960
If I could have thought about it, I would have done.
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.280
I think it but do you know what I found interesting as well?
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.639
And this is such a wide discussion which we won't have here.
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.800
I didn't worry for Bishop because he's an android.
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.679
I didn't worry for him.
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:04.400
Yeah, and ultimately at the end I didn't need to worry for him because all sorts happen to him and he sleeps he sleeps it off.
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:05.360
Sleeps it off.
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:06.159
Do you know what I mean?
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.199
Though I didn't have I I worried more for the human people.
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:09.920
Yeah.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:21.679
Newt and Ripley go into a side room and and Ripley says, Come on, you need some sleep, and she basically calves Newt down a little bit, and Newt starts to fall asleep.
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.000
Ripley's the only one who knows how to talk to her.
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:24.559
Yeah.
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:33.199
And there's a lot to say about that, whether it's sexism, and of course she does, she's a woman, maternal instinct, or whether no, because Ripley's a nice person and everyone else isn't.
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.400
You know, there's loads of things to pull out from that, what it means.
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.920
Yeah, I would go more with the fact that these are marines and they just don't know how to talk to people.
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.119
They didn't know how to talk to Ripley.
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.039
That that's also a thing, potentially.
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:55.599
I think this it's an interesting discussion to have about, you know, oh, you know, nature versus nurture, is maternal instincts in built and in all women, is Vasquez suppressing hers, or is it that that's a load of bollocks?
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.159
And actually, yeah.
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:57.760
No, Vasquez is just a badass.
00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.280
Oh no, I love her though.
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.280
Yeah, so I love Ripley to be fair.
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.199
But anyway, we'll discuss a little bit more about that in the end.
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:14.159
So literally, Ripley leaves the room, she finds out that Berke was trying to get some of the samples back to Earth, and she's like, You can't do this, it's just not a way.
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.000
It wouldn't get through quarantine and all this kind of stuff, you just cannot do it.
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:23.679
Is that a nice scene where Hicks and Ripley bonding a little bit together?
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.239
He shows her how to use guns and stuff.
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.000
Well, and then Well, it's just interesting.
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.679
You're saying, like, you know, Ripley's a nice person, she's not a Marine, she's not been conditioned to kind of, you know, just be whatever.
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.960
She's just a little bit more, has a bit more humanity, maybe.
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:40.639
But then she's given a gun.
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.639
And she's given a gun, which is, as we all know, is such a phallic symbol.
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.480
And so suddenly she's m she's like a man, she's manned up, she's walking around with this.
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:51.840
Ripley's been in this ship before.
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.880
Oh, I understand the need for her to be defended.
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:10.719
But what one of the things But it's an interesting thing that she was a nice human hum or person full of humanity who could talk to a scared child with you know, sort of sweetness and kindness and and understanding, and then but in order for her to actually get through this, she has to take that away from her.
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:11.840
Well, but can't you do both?
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.800
Fallock up.
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.079
Well, maybe, maybe.
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.079
But but one of the interesting bits of this scene I find interesting that James Cameron wrote this.
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:18.800
That's what I'm saying.
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:19.599
Fair enough.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:29.360
But one of the interesting bits of this scene is like you know, Hicks is showing her how to work the pulse rifle, this I reload, this I turn the safety on and off, and she goes, What's this?
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.519
And he goes, The grenade launcher, you don't want to deal with that.
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.440
And she goes, No, you're gonna show me, show me it all.
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.559
And obviously, she's gonna have to, you know, that's another bit of foreshadowing like oh well that's gonna come up at the end.
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.159
Yeah, so Ripley goes to sleep with Newt.
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.400
Oh yeah, and then wakes up.
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:45.199
Yeah.
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.400
Two empty jars near the door in the room where they are.
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.920
Did you know what you obviously knew what was in there, there were face huggers in there.
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.199
I didn't know they were face huggers, I just knew they were gross specimens, yeah.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:05.119
So they they know what's going on, and then they're trying to raise an alarm, and you see Burke switch the camera off so you can't see what's going on.
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:13.119
I think that's the first official way we know he's an evil bastard, as opposed to he's just after the money or he's just doing his job, his orders, whatever.
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.360
This is the first time you go, Oh, actually, he's awful.
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.800
So the his reason being is he could have got them implanted with the air, and then he can get them through quarantine.
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:22.639
He's got a yeah, he's yeah.
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.920
So they're trying to raise the alarm, the windows are unbreakable.
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.320
You see the face hooker go for Ripley.
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:34.000
She sets off the fire alarm and that raises the alarm and hicks is the first through.
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:47.440
He shoots the window, and then he's trying to stop this face hooger strangling it because they wrap around your neck so that you you you can't fight, and then they grab onto your face, and there's like a big tube that comes out and that goes down your throat.
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.360
Ah, gross, hideous.
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:56.400
Yeah, so they kill that one off Ripley, and then they stop the other one that's getting newt, and then it's like decide what do we do with Berk?
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:58.480
What would you have done with Burke at that moment?
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:05.280
I don't know if this is possible, like in terms of if you could do this, but is there some sort of little hatch that would just throw you throw him into space?
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.840
But they're not a planet, they could have just put them outside, you know.
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:09.280
Put them outside and fly away.
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:09.840
Don't need him.
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:10.800
Yeah, you can die.
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.320
So suddenly the lights go off.
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.440
It isn't it bad though.
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.079
You watch this you watch films like this, and now I'm wishing people died.
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:17.440
I was happy when Hicks died as well.
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.960
We've we've I'm sorry, Hudson.
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:20.159
I was happy when Hudson died.
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:21.039
We've missed that, haven't we?
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:22.079
Or has he not died yet?
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:22.639
Okay.
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:23.360
Right.
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.199
So suddenly all the lights go off, and then the motion trackers start.
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.280
Now they've sealed all the doors.
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.039
They think they've sealed all the doors.
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:32.960
They've yeah, well, they have sealed the doors.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:33.760
Well, yeah, yeah.
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:42.239
But it's coming like 20 metres away, 20 18 metres away, and then it gets like six metres away, and then go, there's gotta be something wrong with these.
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:54.960
That's in this room, and all the time they're just backing up and backing up and backing up, and then Hicks goes, Hang on, hand me a flashlight, and he just lifts a tile in the ceiling and you see them crawl on the ceiling.
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:55.199
Yeah.
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.760
Now, at that scene, it looks like there's hundreds of them, doesn't it?
00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.519
It does, but there's only the only six.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:01.039
Oh, okay.
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:02.960
It looks like an army of them.
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.320
You only ever see six of them on screen at any one point.
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.400
It's it yeah, it's a good effect, thank you.
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.960
It makes you feel like they're all gonna be overrun with them.
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.559
So they start falling from the ceiling, you start shooting her and stuff.
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.119
Burke runs off and goes through a door at the back and then seals the door.
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:19.440
Yeah.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:24.800
Is it Ripley shouting at Burke through the door and then he turns and then you just see an alien?
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.360
Yeah.
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:26.239
Right.
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:37.039
Now there's a deleted scene further in the movie where when Ripley enters the alien nest, she sees Burke in the similar position to where the woman was with the chest burst out.
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.880
Now wouldn't we have wanted to see that?
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.320
Or is it deemed too much?
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.239
Well, I think it implies the alien's gonna bite his face off.
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.159
So that's enough.
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:52.320
But in this deleted scene, Burke goes, I can feel it inside me, and she just hands him a grade and just walks away.
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:53.360
That was nice of her.
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:53.679
Yeah.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:59.519
So I I just presume in the theatrical and the special, I think the special edition doesn't show it either.
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.519
I just imagine he gets his face bitten off.
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:01.840
Okay.
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.840
That's that's that's a good enough end for him.
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:04.719
Yeah.
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.480
Then through the f they come through the floor and they grab Hudson.
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:08.960
Yeah, he's gonna be able to do that.
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:10.400
Hudson's got a good death.
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:10.960
Okay.
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:14.880
I like you know, he's a pain in the arse, but he's alright.
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:15.920
No, he's not.
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:16.719
I like them.
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:17.360
I like them.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.079
It puts his crew at risk by his shouting.
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.719
Well, his lack of discipline, I guess.
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.079
Yeah, lack of discipline.
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:25.920
Axe's a tough guy, but he's not a tough couple.
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:27.760
He's not a tough guy at all, he's in over his head.
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.239
They're they're fighting and then they run off.
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.280
Newt starts showing them the way and takes them through these A events.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:40.159
Gorman, Vasquez are behind Hicks, Ripley, and Newt.
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.599
And an alien comes through, lower vents, and Vasquez shoots it and gets acid on a foot.
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:46.079
Yeah.
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.840
Gorman goes back for it, and it there's a bit of a redemption.
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:51.039
It's a bit of a redemption.
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.280
I don't think Gorman needed to be redeemed.
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.679
I just shit he wasn't great at his job, but that's not a that's not a bad thing because he wasn't kind of being horrible to other people.
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:00.159
Yeah.
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.400
So he goes to pull her back, and then an alien comes up the other side in the trapped, he pulls out a grenade.
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:06.800
Yeah.
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.519
Vasquez says to him, goes, Gorman, you're such an asshole.
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:10.639
And then it blows up.
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:11.039
Yeah.
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.880
And then once it blows up, Newt falls down a second shaft.
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.079
Newt falls down a shoot.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:16.239
Yeah.
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.039
That's what I wrote.
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:19.440
Newt falls down and she falls off.
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.719
Ripley goes, Ape shit.
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.639
She's like, We've got to go and get her, go and get her.
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:31.119
So they go down, and just as they go down to get her, an alien grabs her.
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.320
She's in water.
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:32.719
Yeah.
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:33.599
It's really horrible.
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.920
I mean, this actress who played Newt was brilliant.
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:37.119
She was absolutely fantastic.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.639
I don't think I've seen her in anything else.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:39.119
No.
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.039
Which was fantastic.
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.719
Hicks is like, look, we've got to get out of here.
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.559
You know, we've just survived, we've got to get out of here.
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:48.480
Ripley's like, I'm not leaving her.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.079
And he goes, I know, but let's just get us safe first.
00:46:52.239 --> 00:47:00.960
And they get up, and then they're as they get into the lift to go up, an alien comes in, they shoot it, and all acid goes all over Hicks.
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.199
But he's alright, but it's burning through his chest plate.
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.079
He's not in a good way, he's burning through his chest plate.
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:10.559
They go up and there's Bishop with the drop ship, and she says, We're not leaving.
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:11.440
He goes, We're not.
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.199
I quite like his delivery of his life.
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:18.079
They get Bishop to fly into the facility because she wants to go back to get Newt.
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.000
She knows Newt's still alive.
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.559
So he's so a couple of things to say.
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.599
First of all, again, I keep thinking there's an implication here that she knows that she's still alive.
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:34.480
When the others don't particularly is this that they're trying to imply that Sigor New Eva, that Ripley has maternal instinct, like it's an inbuilt thing.
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:43.760
Yeah, I have a bit of a an issue with this because Ripley is determined to find Newt because she she believes she's still alive, but no one else really does.
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.400
They're sort of encouraging her to kind of just keep herself safe.
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:54.719
It feels like this constant idea that Ripley has this maternal instinct, like it's an instinctive thing that she just has because she's a woman, and that's just all I keep taking from that.
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:20.400
There were very few women in this film, and one of them, who's Vasquez, they make really clear at the beginning that she has she's just completely sort of has taken over this masculine vibe, whether it's because she's a marine or because she's got short hair or because she's got loads of muscles, and she doesn't sort of so that is not entertained with her for a second in terms of her femininity, but I feel like they're bringing in femininity for Ripley all the time through the maternal stuff.
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:28.400
So my thing with this and Ripley, there's the connection that you don't know in this film because especially as you find out her daughter's died.
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:29.360
I had no clue about that.
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:37.599
So her daughter had died because she's been gone 57 years, her daughter died, and she's got this connection of a lost child.
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.719
But in terms of going to get newt, I have two theories on this.
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.599
One, she thinks they haven't got to her yet in terms of putting the egg inside her, right?
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.360
So she wants to save it from that.
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.440
Or two, if it is inside her, she doesn't want to suffer a horrible death.
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:53.840
Yeah.
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.280
And that's that's how I see it.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:04.239
And I think the whole I should have said this earlier, the whole thing about this sort of being impregnated by an alien is just horrific.
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:04.639
Yeah.
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.320
It's r it's rapiness.
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:14.079
You know, you you can take some of the themes of this and put it into the real world, and it's just women walking around being assaulted, isn't it?
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:14.800
It's horrible.
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.039
It's such a there's such a feminist angle here.
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.440
Which men get assaulted in this as well.
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:20.239
I know they do.
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:39.760
I'm talking about how you can take this film and you can have a really direct reading of how women are in society today in real life, as in you go to work, you go home, you go out for a night out, and you have got to avoid being impregnated or raped by predators, predatory, horrible things that happen to be shitty men.
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.239
But there's a lot of them, you know, the stats are pretty high.
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:43.599
There's a lot of nice men too.
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:44.880
Let's just make that really clear.
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.079
There's lots of nice men.
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:47.920
But you know, it was interesting this morning, actually.
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.480
I was getting ready, I was listening to another podcast about filming some guys.
00:49:53.519 --> 00:50:07.199
Some guys talking about a film, they were talking about promising young women, and so I'm just uh it's in my head, you know, this sort of the idea that you know lots of guys think they're nice, but not everybody is a nice guy, and it feels like this is a really clever way, and I don't think James Cameron meant it like this.
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.719
I don't think he put this much thought into it.
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.360
No, but the thing is it's not James Cameron, it's Ridley Scott.
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:11.840
Oh, yeah.
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:14.159
Okay, different thing altogether then.
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:29.360
Yeah, I like the whole idea that you know you are just walking around and you've got you are trying to avoid a predatory bunch of people, and that feels very realistic to lots of women, I would say, and not just women, and also not all men are horrible, blah de blah.
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:30.159
You know what I mean.
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:30.960
It's interesting.
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:32.639
Okay, let's get on with the film.
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.599
Look, this is why I'm here to the f the feminist analysis.
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:36.079
Yeah.
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.760
So Ripley starts strapping two guns together, a flamethrower and a pulse rifle.
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:46.320
She tools up, she takes grenades with her, takes all sorts with her, and she says to Bishop, do not leave.
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.719
And Bishop assures her he's not going to leave her.
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:55.039
But you don't know with Bishop with this because of the previous film where the Iam Holmes character is a bit dodged.
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:55.440
Dodge.
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.719
You don't know whether Bishop's gonna go, ah, save myself.
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:11.119
So she goes down the lift, she's following a tracker because earlier in the movie Hicks gave her a tracker so he knew where she'd be at all times, and Ripley gave it to Newt so she knows where Newt is.
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:12.880
I thought that was a watch.
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:14.079
Well, it's a tracker.
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:14.800
That's fine.
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.239
I just thought it was a nice little little look after my watch for me.
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.480
This is a nice thing to keep you company, yeah.
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.719
Or yeah, to think of me, but sorry, yeah, that's it.
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.800
So this is where that this is where that scene would have been where she found Burke.
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:28.000
Ah, right, okay.
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:33.679
So she goes through, she finds a tracker on the floor, and she's distraught because Newt's not there.
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:35.199
It's covered in goo as well.
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:44.400
Yeah, and then she hears screaming, and it's newt, and she runs round the corner, and an egg is about to uh hatch, and a face hook will come out to get newt, and she flames it.
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:50.800
She gets Newt down, and then she turns round and she looks, and there's hundreds of eggs on the floor.
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.840
It's so great and it's all this big slimy stuff.
00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:01.920
Yeah, hundreds of eggs, and then she looks round and she sees the queen, and it says huge, this queen, massive.
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:14.719
And the queen looks at her, and then you see other aliens start to come in, and then Ripley flames above the eggs, and then the queen gets what she's doing, and then tells the drones just to back off.
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:24.239
And the next thing, an egg opens, and I I love the look on Ripley's face, and she likes to raise an eyebrows to go, yeah, and then just flames everything.
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:31.519
The queen goes mental and starts to wrive around, and you see her separate from an egg sack.
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:38.400
Yeah, Ripley runs off, gets back into the lift, and as she gets to the lift on the platform, Bishop's gone.
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.000
Yeah, Bishop, goddamn you.
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.239
Yeah, and next thing he flies up.
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.840
I know today.
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:48.960
I I think I don't think I was thinking Bishop could be dodgy at this point.
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.320
I think I've not obviously had the Ian Holmes stuff gone on in in the past.
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.280
So I just thought, okay, she's had a dodgy experience with an Android.
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:03.920
He is I don't I didn't think there was any way he was gonna screw her over, but I didn't I just thought he'd gone.
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.159
You know, not in not to screw her over, I think he just thought she would be dead.
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:10.719
So when he came back, I was like, oh, that's cool.
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:24.400
He came back and he lowers he lowers like a sort of platform for us to get on, and as they're about to leave, there's like an explosion which knocks the ship to the left and it hits like some railers, then they fly off.
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.400
And he said he says, Look, I'm sorry the platform was too unstable, I had to go.
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.920
They go up to the Silarco and it's all nice and calm.
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.559
I've written Hicks is gonna be okay.
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.760
Bishop really and you are okay, everything is fine.
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.519
That's what I wrote at that point.
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:52.719
So, yeah, and Bishop Bishop's explaining how I had to go and stuff, and next thing you see Bishop's chest and a big black pointy tail comes through it and it's the queen, and then she rips him in half.
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.519
It's gross.
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:53.760
Yeah.
00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:00.480
But again, because I knew he was an android, and I believed he was an android, I didn't worry about him even when I thought he was dead.
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.880
I didn't sort of because I as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have human emotion.
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:05.760
He doesn't have human emotion.
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:06.400
No, he doesn't.
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.440
So therefore, I don't need to worry about how he feels.
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.280
I don't need to worry about how he feels.
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:11.760
Yeah.
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:12.480
It's okay.
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.280
It's okay.
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.400
He's alright, because he's an alien three as an android ripped in half stuff.
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:17.280
Is he just still half?
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.079
Yeah, he's just still half.
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.000
But it's it's only for the quick scene.
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:20.639
Oh, okay, fair.
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.159
The alien goes after news and she crawls under the floor, and Ripley's thinking, what should I do?
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.880
Ripley runs off, get in the loader.
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:35.199
Oh, yeah exactly I did I laughed because I was like, that's why we were told she could drive one of these.
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.039
Then the classic line, get away from her, you bitch.
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:40.400
Yep, never heard that line before.
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:42.480
Have you you know you've never lived?
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.159
Well, maybe I've heard that line, but not knowing it's from you know aliens or anything.
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.360
I just thought that's people are saying to get away from her, you bitch, yeah.
00:54:49.599 --> 00:55:02.079
So they have a fight with the loader, the queen, and Ripley opens up a hatch which leads to outer space, tries to drop the queen in, but the queen grabs hold of the loader and drags Ripley in as well.
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.719
Ripley crawls up a little bit of a ladder and then opens the hatch.
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:08.719
All the air starts to come out.
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:16.079
Newt starts to fly across, but luckily, Bishop, still half alive, grabs her the top half of the five.
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:22.239
The top half of him, yeah, grabs her, and the alien floats off into space, and then they're all okay.
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.239
So Ripley puts Newt into hype of sleep and cryosleep.
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.559
She gets in cryosleep, and it's the end.
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.679
She can dream.
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:30.400
Or is it?
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.320
Oh, it is the end for me.
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:34.559
It's the end for me.
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:36.639
Do you know what?
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.159
Like, I'll just finish there.
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.320
Alien three, I actually think you would think was okay as well.
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:51.679
It's all British actors, it's set on a prison colony planet, and it's you know, Charles Dan's in it, it's all it's all like British actors.
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:56.800
There's only one alien in it, and it is about that people getting killed and then trying to kill the alien.
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.079
But it's less of an action movie, it's more of a character movie than this one.
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.639
So I think you'd vibe with that a bit more.
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.280
What's your thoughts on this?
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:12.159
Do you know what?
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:16.880
Okay, first of all, my usual disclaimer for anyone who's not listened to this before: I hate space films.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:17.920
I know you do.
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.559
Hate space, and I hate sci-fi, and I hate fantasy.
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.880
So, therefore, I am coming at this from a disadvantage.
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:26.880
I'm coming at it from a very negative perception before I even start.
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.079
Now, I don't know you what you will think on this.
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.719
I don't know because because this is I I genuinely mean this, it's a female heroine movie.
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:42.719
You know, it's about Ripley and she's a central character and she's strong and she shows different types of emotions.
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:44.880
I don't know whether you're gonna hate this or love this.
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:53.440
It's interesting because the my thought I'll tell you my thoughts about it in a second, but the fact that Ripley is female, I don't think makes any difference to my feelings, if that makes sense.
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:54.079
Maybe it doesn't.
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.000
I've not explored that, I'll have a think.
00:56:56.239 --> 00:57:00.639
But basically, I had no I told you I had no interest in watching this yesterday.
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:11.840
I was annoyed that I was gonna have to spend two hours, 17 minutes watching an 18 horror slash adventure that I've happily never felt I needed to watch ever, and suddenly this is what I'm doing on my Friday morning.
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.920
However, I found myself enjoying it more than I thought.
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:16.639
No way.
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:17.039
Yeah.
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:18.239
Um enjoy is a strong word.
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:19.920
Can we just point out I'm smiling here?
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:21.440
Enjoy is a strong word.
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:29.199
I I I didn't okay, straight off I'm gonna tell you now, I thought it was far superior to Star Wars, right?
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.960
And I and I know you love Star Wars, and it's your favourite film, so I'm not trying to space the film.
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:35.199
Well, they're not they're both space films.
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.639
They're in space, and that's as far as I can see.
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.639
I found Star Wars really hard to get through, and I didn't understand what was going on.
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.960
I didn't understand what was going on, certainly in the first two films, and I got bored because of that.
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.239
I was never bored in this.
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.360
I understood what was going on.
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.760
I didn't understand when you're quoting L V 26 or whatever it is.
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:54.559
I don't remember that.
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.119
I don't remember the name of the ship, but I got the narrative.
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:06.159
I understood very clearly that there's a threat and that Ripley's there, and she's not being listened to, and eventually she takes over, blah blah blah, and she has to do this and she rescues new.
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.480
I understood what was happening, I understood it all.
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:21.519
And I felt you know, I wasn't as I was grossed out, but I wasn't as horrified as I could have been with all of the people coming out of stomachs, all the aliens coming out of stomachs like I can think of John Hur in the first one.
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.639
So I just found this I found this alright.
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.360
I didn't hate it, didn't I love it, but I liked it.
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:30.000
Yeah.
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.480
And put it this way, I don't think I'm gonna watch the first one or the third one or whatever there is.
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.719
I I'm happy to have watched it and that's fine.
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:49.199
But you know, at some point when I'm in the m mood for a bit of an action-y, grippy thing on a Saturday night with a bottle of wine, and me and my partner are like scrolling and scrolling and scrolling, he's never seen it, so I think I'd suggest this.
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:50.639
Did he not watch it with you?
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.559
No, he was no he's mowing the grass for two hours and 17 minutes.
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:56.239
I think he was planting things.
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:56.639
I don't know.
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.199
We've been away for a few days, he had to have gold and stuff to do.
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:00.800
Okay, an interesting question.
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.800
And not really asked because he's not on the podcast, but do you think he would like this?
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:05.679
Yeah, I think he would.
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.000
Yeah.
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:07.119
And he didn't think he would.
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.840
When I was literally going, Oh my god, I've got to watch Aliens, he's like, Oh my god, I'm like I I moaned about it so much yesterday before I got round to it.
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.679
And when he I saw him afterwards and I was like, I think you quite like that actually.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.639
And he's like, Oh, alright then.
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:20.800
So I can see myself suggesting it.
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.480
I do have lots of things to say.
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:23.920
It's a really well-made film.
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:24.960
It's it is well made.
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:26.320
The soundtrack's really good.
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:28.960
Like they say that build-up of them leaving the shape.
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.239
Yeah, it's just done really well.
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.559
The there's an eeriness to the film which is done really well.
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.519
I like horror elements now.
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:52.800
Obviously, it it's about aliens killing people, so I get that aspect, but it's not like loads of jump scares, it's not gore, it's it's just it's more the threat, it's yeah, it's more threat.
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.440
And I class this more of an action film.
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.000
Yeah.
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:04.400
The first one is 100% a horror film because you don't know where the alien is, you don't know what's gonna do, and it comes out and kills people.
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:18.400
This this is like loads of aliens killing people, but they've got guns killing aliens and all sorts going on, and there's you know, little subplots of people trying to be shady and and people being crap at the job and stuff.
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.719
This this is more of an action movie to me.
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:22.400
Yeah, I can see that.
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.239
There was times, certainly in the early parts of it, it reminded me of Top Gun.
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:32.159
Bunch of people who don't particularly get on or are full of banter thrown together to do a mission against an enemy.
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.000
So, you know, some of them aren't gonna come back.
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.360
It felt like kind of idea, you know, just the general 80s action.
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.800
Felt very 80s in terms of reinforced movie choice full stuff.
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.440
Well, I was gonna say the opposite actually.
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:43.679
Yeah.
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:56.480
Because one of the things I thought when I was watching it is I am sick to my back teeth of your film choice, your film choices where they all seem to be not necessarily children's films, but films that children would enjoy.
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:01.599
So Karate Kid or Superman or Batman or what else have you made me watch?
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:02.559
Star Wars.
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:04.400
Oh, yeah, of course, Star Wars.
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.840
But this is not a film that a child would enjoy.
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:14.400
Maybe they would if they really, really want to be scared and they're like at a sleepover and someone's older brother lends it to them, that kind of thing.
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.800
But this is not billed for children, this is not put on Christmas Day at like 7 pm.
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.280
So my point is.
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.840
Oh, actually, you watched it on Christmas Day, maybe it was 7 pm.
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:25.039
Oh, it was Sky.
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:26.400
The rules are different on Skype.
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:27.840
No, back then it wasn't.
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.159
So this this would have been about nine o'clock at night.
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:33.280
But my point is this is not made for children, it's an 18.
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:33.599
Yeah.
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.719
And I don't think you bring adult films ever, like ever.
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.039
Maybe Notting Hill, but that's kind of silly.
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.480
It's not real adult, it's not a good one.
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.760
So it's an interesting thing with the Alien franchise, right?
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:50.880
So you're Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, right?
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:59.599
Then there was a film which is completely separate with Arnold Swartz and Alien called Predator, which I will be bringing at some point in the future.
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:00.880
What made me do this stuff?
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:01.840
I love that film.
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.480
It's about films that we love, right?
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.719
So that was a separate thing.
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.480
Then somebody did a comic.
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.280
In fact, no, sorry, I'll I'll change that.
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:22.239
They made a second predator film with Danny Glover, and one of the things with Predator is it keeps the skull of what it's killed as a trophy, right?
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:34.000
Just in a scene where he went back to the Predator ship and it's set in New York, this right, it opens up this trophy cabinet, and there's an alien skull in there as if it had killed one of these aliens.
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:34.320
Okay.
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.119
Then all of a sudden, there was a film called Aliens versus Predator, right?
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.719
Now, all these films up until this point are like 18s or 15s.
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.480
Predator, there's an 18, I think Predator 2's 15.
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.280
Aliens were certainly, you know, all that.
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:50.960
And then Aliens vs.
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:52.320
Predator was a PG.
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:52.639
What?
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.480
Yeah, and then Aliens Predator Requiem was a PG.
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:56.719
Yeah.
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:06.400
They've made a couple of other films, really Scott made Alien Covenant and Prometheus, which went back into more adult territory.
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.480
And then he made another Alien film, which was I think it might have been a 12.
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:11.119
And that.
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.480
And then there's a TV series which is definitely aimed at adults.
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.440
So there's a whole huge franchise with this.
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.159
As you know, I'm not a fan of a franchise, really.
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:21.679
Except if it's before midnight.
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:25.440
That's not a franchise, that's a lovely trilogy that took 18 years to make.
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.039
And I have no problem with three films in 18 years where there's a story to tell.
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:34.400
But when it becomes like the studios want another one because that made money, that's when I get, well, where's the quality in that?
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.039
So I don't need to watch any of those other things.
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:41.360
And I would never have watched this had you not made me, but I did think it was alright.
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.599
I thought the narration zipped along.
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:44.960
I was I was hooked.
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.159
I mean, hooked maybe too strong, but I was watching it thinking, what happens next?
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:52.000
What I wasn't doing was looking at the clock, thinking, how many more minutes have I got to go through this?
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.000
Like I have done with some of your some of your films.
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:59.199
When when you messaged me, uh I've watched it, I was like, I was like I wasn't gonna give you anything about it.
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:06.079
I like I will say, Nikki's made me some lovely sausage on toast this morning, and I avoided asking.
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:14.880
It's funny because we were like, we're gonna talk about the film, we can't talk about everything you hear now is our first time of each other's thoughts on it.
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:16.880
I'm not giving anything away, no.
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:24.800
Yeah, so I guess all I would say is, uh yeah, I just I would have preferred the enemy to not be a slimy gross thing, but that's okay.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.079
It was in this film.
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:35.519
So I thought that Paul Rice did a very good performance as the 80s money suit guy from the company who has no And he's never not in a suit, is he?
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:44.239
Like even when the like the like Ripley's in a jumpsuit when they go down to LV426, the Marines are in marine gear.
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:47.599
He's a suit, isn't he as a suit?
01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:48.880
Yeah, I just believed him.
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:54.159
He's that sort of 80s money grabbing kind of vibe, which feels quite relevant even today.
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.559
Sigoni Weaver carries this film.
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:57.119
Amazing.
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:58.800
Without her, I don't know.
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.199
And I can absolutely see why she's a lesbian icon.
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:03.599
Yeah.
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:04.960
I completely see it.
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:11.840
She is stunning, she is sexy, she is strong, she's beautiful, she is like everything.
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:12.800
She's everything.
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:14.400
And I thought she was fabulous.
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:24.880
And I did think at one point, you know, like if we were in America and we'd grown up with Halloween, like American Halloween, where it's not about dressing up as a goblin or a witch, it's about any ki any fancy dress.
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.599
I would have dressed up as Ripley at some point in my life.
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:28.719
Cool, cool.
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:30.960
Do you know one of the things I love in this film?
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:41.280
Is like they do the she's been asleep for 57 years, so she's got 1979 haircut at the beginning, and then they cut her hair because it's now 1986.
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:42.000
Okay.
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:50.239
I didn't see again, I couldn't place when this one in the first three hair's a big thing because she's got the seventies hair in the first one.
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:54.559
Then they modernise it by cutting it to her eighties haircut, and in the third one, she shaves her hair.
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.280
I knew there was a skin head um riffly at some point.
01:05:58.320 --> 01:05:59.599
Oh, she's well, she's got a stunning face.
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:08.400
Yeah, and again I just uh I wanna just shout out Newt because the girl playing her, presumably now she's a lady woman, she just had this real mix of vulnerability but also street smart.
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.599
So it was a great bit where at some point someone says you're okay and she just raises a thumb.
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.679
She's just got she's got a uh marine helmet on and she raises.
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:17.440
I just thought she was brilliant.
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:22.159
I guess the whole Android saves the day thing, sort of, well Ripley saves the day, really.
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:23.760
But the Android thing was a nice touch.
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.079
And I think back in 86 I'd have been fine with that.
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.320
Now I feel like it leads into a discussion about AI, and I can't stand AI, does me I didn't.
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:31.679
I just think it's ruining the world.
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:40.880
And I think that there might be some people who think this is an advert for yes, we should all have Androids, because look, they they sort us out when we need them or something.
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:42.320
I don't know, I'm not gonna do that.
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.840
I do not want sorting out by an Android.
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:44.400
No, I don't.
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.440
Well, there's that TV show at the moment called is it called Android?
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:48.320
Android.
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:49.519
I've not heard of it.
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:53.039
It's funny, it's you know the woman who does Philomena Kunk, Diane Morgan?
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:53.360
Yeah.
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.800
She's written it and is in it and she plays an Android who's there to help.
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.960
And it's it's set in the present day, but it's the idea that you know, older people who need sort of cleaner, not cleaners, what's it carers?
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:08.320
That's the word caras, who need carers so it's an Android she's like an Android, but she's playing the part.
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:14.320
And it's quite sweet actually, but also it's kind of a bit dystopian because like it just feels a bit sad as well.
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:15.679
But it's it's it's done well.
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.199
But the point is, this feels like it adds into that discussion that's going on at the moment.
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:26.079
But it's but isn't it like amazing when you look at this film, some of the things that it's foreshadowed for the future?
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:26.400
Yeah.
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:36.480
Back in 1986, like you say, a silly thing like them having body cams, that's like standard now amongst police, and I imagine military will get it at some point.
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:46.320
But I think is that in real life, is that because and maybe I'm wrong, is it because of uh complaints against police, so they have to prove that they did or didn't.
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.119
And yeah, they're a protection against allegations, I guess that's true.
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.559
With the Marines in this, is to show where they are so they can command them better.
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.000
So I can I can see that happening in the future.
01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:16.640
I thought what was interesting about the character of Ripley or the sort of setup of the film's sexual politics, no, it's not sexual politics, sort of gender politics and sort of equality or not, is she's there with lived experience, having seen this stuff before, and they've sent her there as an advisor, so she's been given a role to advise, even if that's sort of bullshit.
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:24.319
And she has to so several people have to die for her to then be in charge, even though she's clearly full stop.
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:31.439
She should be in charge at the beginning because she's been there before, and so what Gorman has to go and Apone has to go.
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:32.159
Is that his name?
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:33.520
Yes, Sergeant Apone.
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:35.920
And it just looked into my eye.
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:44.000
And then Hicks is next in charge, and they kind of work together, but he sees it's corporal Hicks and the city.
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.520
So in terms of military, he's got the eventually he's got the last the final say over the rare Paul Rice.
01:08:49.760 --> 01:09:00.319
Anyway, I just think that's such a telling thing that you know she's clearly able to do this, and yet she has to wait for a bunch of people who are nowhere near as experienced or as informed as she.
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:06.720
No, but she takes over, like when she does take over, when she starts driving the rover, Gorman's still.
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:11.359
Yeah, but he's but he's lost, he's not speaking, he's not sort of he's not able to function, is he properly?
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:12.399
He's sort of losing it.
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I just thought it was an interesting touch that that was the case, and then yeah, I just so okay, the character of Ripley then you'll say I I'm interested to whether I liked this film because the main character is a woman.
01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:23.680
I don't think so.
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Because I just felt the reason I liked it was it just was zipped along and I wasn't bored by it, which I you know didn't want to be.
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:41.359
But she is such a strong female character, and it's like she has to be softened at times, and she's softened by showing compassion to newt in a way that no one else really does.
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Even the people who aren't horrible, they're just not great at talking to a frightened kid, they're kind of shouting, Are you okay?
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.279
you know, in her face, which is not ideal.
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.880
So, yeah, it's like the so strong female figures had to be softened by showing some sort of maternal feelings.
01:09:55.359 --> 01:10:03.279
And so when Sigorney Weaver plays a child-free, and I I assume she was child-free in this film, even though I now found out she did have a child.
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:09.840
When she plays child-free, business focused, getting on with the job, successful character in working girl, she's the villain.
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:10.399
Yeah.
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And she does villainous things in the sense that she takes Tess's idea and passes it off as her own.
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.159
So yeah, you know, which is awful because that's what men do in boardrooms.
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:21.199
So actually, she's behaving like a man, not behaving like a strong woman.
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:31.119
But either way, it's like they've had to make her not be the stereotype in the 80s of a child-free, single, mission-focused woman.
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:31.680
Yeah.
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Because otherwise, how can we root for her?
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.159
So we show some softness.
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That's how I interpreted it.
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Yeah.
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:38.319
Maybe.
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But I don't really.
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:39.920
I don't know.
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:41.359
I quite I quite like the scene.
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:47.680
I mean, like, there's too much, there's too much to go into detail to go through everything when we do these talk-throughs of the film.
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:56.880
I cut out a little bit where she's trying to talk to Newt to go to sleep and she's talking about nightmares, and she goes, doll's not having a nightmare, and Nuke goes, That's because she's plastic.
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:58.960
And I thought that that's a good little thing.
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:04.560
And you know, it's it's you can't you can't we can't do every single detail on these things.
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:10.560
The only other thing I thought I had, and you kind of hinted at it at the beginning, is it's 40 years old this year.
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:10.880
Yeah.
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:12.159
But it doesn't feel like it.
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:12.640
No.
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:14.880
It could have been made today, I think.
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:23.920
There's two there's two scenes in it, I think, which I on re-watching it, I spotted when the Marines were all getting together for the first time.
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You could tell it was like a map painting in the background to make it look like they were on a big ship.
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:28.720
Yeah.
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:34.479
And then there was another one where I think it's when the rover face comes down or something.
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:37.039
I looked and I was like, oh, that actually looks like a model now.
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:37.680
Where two years.
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:38.800
I didn't notice any of that.
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:43.920
But yeah, I think the only hint that this is from the past is Paul Rice's hair and suit.
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The fashion of a human in the 80s.
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.199
Ripley's hair, yeah.
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:48.079
I didn't notice that though.
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:52.880
I just thought that looks like the hair of somebody who just cut a chunk of a hair off in space, you know, to keep it short.
01:11:53.039 --> 01:12:00.720
No, it was just like she had she had 79 perm in the very beginning of the movie, and then and then she went full on, 80s looking.
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:05.119
But the 79 perm wasn't massively different from her 84 Ghostbusters hair.
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.119
No, but she was sure she was more mad woman.
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:07.439
Okay.
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:09.119
Do you want to hear what other people think?
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:09.760
I do.
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:10.560
Okay.
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:19.279
Very depressing when you Google alien or aliens, you get a lot of stuff about illegal aliens and stuff from the USA and different laws and speeches and all sorts of things.
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:23.920
When I was looking this morning, I put facts about aliens, right?
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Did you get facts about aliens?
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It was like there's been no real sighting of an alien, so we don't know.
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.920
And it's like, no, facts about aliens movie.
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.880
You've got to be careful when you do these searches.
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:39.760
Right, so there's the website, filmsite.org, and they have a page on aliens two.
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And it's really simple, it's just a summary of the film.
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It says that it got seven Oscar Noms.
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I didn't know that.
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.039
It won two, it was best visual effects and best sound effects editing.
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:50.720
I could imagine them, yeah.
01:12:51.119 --> 01:13:04.560
And I just like there was just a couple of bullet points at the end, but one of them, which I hadn't even given any thought to, because I was looking at this through a feminist lens, very much like, yeah, it feels like the women walking around it on earth in the world having to avoid predatory people.
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:12.239
It told of a Vietnamese-style heroic conflict on a distant colony between heavily armed marines and an unbeatable enemy alien.
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:13.359
So Vietnam.
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Found that an interesting parallel.
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.439
It's there's a funny thing that we talked about.
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:32.800
You there were several podcasts ago, I can't remember if it was in Series 2 or whether it was the end of series one, and you pointed out a lot of films that I choose seem to reference like just coming out of the war of Vietnam.
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:37.439
It's it's late 70s, early 80s, you have uh it's which is your childhood, so that's fine.
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:42.800
But a a lot of the commentary I'm reading, particularly American films that are made in America.
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:47.199
The commentary is about this is Reagan area, post-Nixon, did I say area?
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:48.079
Reagan area.
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Area.
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It's Reagan era.
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:58.399
Post-Nixon, it's post-Vietnam and Watergate, and people want her heroes they can believe in to fight the bad guys, because that's what they need.
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.720
They need some semblance of good and goodness.
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:12.399
So Clark Kent pops up and Rocky pops up, and you know, it just I don't know, it's it it's because it's your era of the things you're watching, in the same way the things I'm watching slightly later.
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:20.560
So even the interesting thing there, I think Clark Kent, Superman, was written around about the time of the first world war.
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:23.680
Yes, originally, yeah, and that was a similar thing.
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:27.279
I got a good guy to fight the bad guys, definitely around one of the worlds.
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:42.720
Okay, I found this really, really interesting piece of writing, and it's so the link is on the show notes, all the links are on the show notes, but I'm just gonna point out it's from the Board of South Australia Women's Studies, but it's by an unnamed student.
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:51.039
So a student has written this without their name on it, so it's just been published, I guess, because it's just an academic thing from a university.
01:14:51.359 --> 01:15:09.279
But it was so interesting, it's not massively long, and it talks about how Ripley is both a product of second-wave feminism, but also of Reagan era politics, which is a lot more women being mothers and homemakers and more traditional, right?
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:23.600
So, but she says in the first film, I'm assuming this writer is a woman, but I don't actually know, but I'm gonna say that in the first film they say that Ripley is only softer and more feminine in the moment when she rescues the cat, which I think is near the end.
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:24.560
I've never seen it.
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:31.840
In the first film, as I say, you get to like 90% of the way through the movie not realising she's the star of the movie.
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:45.039
Okay, but the point that this student is writing about is that her in terms of her sort of being a a female character and being the product of feminism on screen, it's you only see her being more feminine and softer with a cat at the end.
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:54.479
All the way through the film, she's a lot more sort of powerful or showing more masculine traditional qualities.
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.640
However, in the second film, there's loads more femininity on show.
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:01.760
So this is a quote, and it's a little bit of a long one, but it's good.
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:09.359
And I'm gonna again say please look at the whole document that's gonna be in the show notes from South Australia Women's Studies lectures or whatever.
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Lieutenant Ellen Ripley is a product of combined patriarchal ideals and second wave feminism.
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:24.960
Audiences were exposed to a straw to strong, both emotionally and physically intelligent female action character, unconcerned with heterosexual romantic relationships and feminine beauty.
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:29.119
She is a leader and survives the other male and the minimal number of female characters.
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:36.479
Her successes in the film, however, are hindered by patriarchy, as she combats not just aliens, but corporate patriarchal greed.
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:44.880
Her character suffers the loss of her daughter as punishment for her dedication to a male-oriented job that allowed her to step out from the confines of the family home.
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:52.319
To satisfy her deep loss, the Hollywood scriptwriters conveniently provided her with the character of Newt to fill her fresh maternal void.
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:59.680
After bonding quickly with the orphaned child, Ripley's subsequent actions are strengthened and motivated by her strong maternal need to protect the child.
01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:10.560
In Reagan era terms, the audience gets the sense that Ripley is fulfilling her inner destiny as a mother who destroys the alien threat to her family, and that the last reference is Galardo and Smith 2004.
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:22.960
And I found it so interesting, this whole piece is so interesting looking at how she's both really badass and strong and kicking, you know, kicking ass with the aliens she's killing and having to take over and she survives all the men and blah de blah blah.
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:26.159
But also, it's like they need to make her feminine.
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:30.239
And it did book me all the way through how I felt like they were shoehorning in a child.
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:38.960
But I think I think the thing is, right, with that, and I think if you ever do re-watch it again, like I said, I think I probably will at some point as a choice, right?
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:48.800
Yeah, try and watch the special edition because it brings in about the story about her daughter and her daughter passing away, and a sense of grief with that.
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:53.600
With looking after newt, it's like she's found something that she's lost.
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:54.079
Yeah.
01:17:54.239 --> 01:18:07.760
You know, there's a few other scenes in it where they they show you, try to show you there's how many aliens there's there's you know, once they've barricaded themselves in and they've sealed the doors, they have two sentry guns, which is not shown in this version.
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:20.560
It's automatic, and as the aliens are coming, they've got like thousands of rounds and stuff, and as the aliens are coming, it's the sentry guns are going off, and they're like counting that the bullets are going, so they're knowing how many they're killing, and there's still loads still, yeah.
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:23.039
So it's like the threat's even bigger.
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:33.520
Uh, with this, it's like, as I say, you still know there's a lot of aliens out there, but it feels a bit more scaled back, and there's a few more character scenes in there, it's not just action scenes, so it works quite well.
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:39.039
And then my last little uh reference is it's TV tropes, we've had them before, tvtropes.org.
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:42.560
And I do like this, I mean it's this really is one for the nerds.
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:44.640
If you're really gonna read the whole article, it's massive.
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.800
But if it's a film you like, you would do, you know.
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.279
I just skimmed it, so it shows where I am.
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:59.279
And it always, whatever film you're looking up on this website, it lists a comprehensive list of all of the tropes that the film covers, and there's loads of really specific niche random ones.
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:09.840
And so, for example, in this one, there's the air vent passageway, you know, escape through an air vent, Chekhov's gun, literally the gun, and also the the driver thing that she manoeuvres, the final girl stuff.
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:14.560
Also, so I quoted this whole one because every little paragraph of each the asshole victim.
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Nobody cried when a xenomorph, is that I'm saying that right, xenomorph, mauled Burke because he was the one who tricked the colonists into investigating the alien starship.
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.359
As a result, all of them were killed except for Newt.
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:34.720
Paul Rice has said in an interview that he knew he'd played a complete asshole when at the movies premiere his own parents enthusiastically agree that his character deserved the violent death he received.
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:50.720
So, can I just add there, also in the special edition, you see Newt family, and they're the ones who go to the ship where it's located, where after the meeting with the board where they're going, uh you know, you we can't maybe find any evidence.
01:19:50.960 --> 01:20:10.079
Paul Riser tells them to go and search this area, and the next thing her brother and her are left on this like rover thing as the mum and dad go to explore it, and then you come back, and I can't remember if the mum has a face hugger on her and just new screams, and then next thing it is we've lost contact.
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:12.880
Okay, we've ended on a grim note there.
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.920
I'd left it on a nice, funny, poor race's parents look like each other.
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:21.520
Yeah, and then you're like, let's bring it down to some sad things.
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.279
Okay, so I'm glad um I will say I'm really glad you enjoyed this.
01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:29.359
Yeah, I I wasn't sure whether you would enjoy this one.
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:30.560
I genuinely mean that.
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:33.039
So this film, there's films I brought in the past.
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:41.520
The first series was Rocky, and I know you were like, Oh god, Rocky, I knew you would enjoy that film because it's more of a character film than it's a boxing film.
01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:44.079
This I wasn't sure.
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:49.840
I hoped, as I say, from the feminist angle, you would have liked it because it was a female heroine and stuff like that.
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:51.119
But I'm just glad you enjoyed the movies.
01:20:51.680 --> 01:21:00.640
Yeah, I don't think the female heroine was essential for me to enjoy this film, and when I say enjoy, I mean enjoy more than Star Wars, and I hated Star Wars, so it's like don't get too excited.
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.760
Don't worry, don't worry, you've got no six Star Wars films to go through.
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.640
Next week, it's your turn to choose the film.
01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:16.319
Have you decided what it's going to be?
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:19.119
Well, yes, as you know, because we hinted at it earlier.
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:20.800
It's my favourite film.
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:24.159
I think that is now true of all time.
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.960
But it's only from 2023 or 24.
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:28.399
I'll find out before next week.
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:29.359
I'll do the research.
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.920
Will this be the most modern film we've had?
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:33.039
Yeah, so far, definitely.
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:34.560
And I d and I'm not sure.
01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:35.199
And do you know what?
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:37.359
Do you know what I'm quite happy about, right?
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:43.520
People be able to watch this one where the previous one that you chose before, very hard to find.
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:44.720
It's on YouTube.
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:46.640
Yeah, but that this is streamed.
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:57.279
I think this is streamed on Disney, but it came out and I watched it and I was blown away, and I just felt like a bit like when I said to you I watched before sunrise for the first time.
01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:00.399
I felt like I was just in the film, I was just transfixed.
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:05.520
Uh the the surrounding cinema just melted away, and I was just involved in this story.
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:07.840
And I just feel the same with this film.
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:09.520
It's all of us strangers.
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:23.039
And just a little word if you're gonna watch it, it's definitely a film that talks about grief and shows grief, but and this is where I'm where I come in with it, with my sort of thoughts.
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:33.039
I think this film is also about hope and survive not surviving, but thriving through a period of surviving and healing.
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:38.720
It's so hopeful and full of healing, and I find it an incredibly comforting film.
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:48.479
However, when it came out and I read reviews, not reviews that were like by proper film critics, but reviews that were by everyone online having watched it.
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:50.880
Oh my god, this is the saddest film I've ever seen.
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.520
Oh my god, how did I not know my heart is broken in two?
01:22:53.760 --> 01:23:04.159
Right, there is an element of that if you want to see it like that, but I don't see it like that, and I will be talking about all of its positives, but it does cover parental death, as you mentioned earlier.
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.880
So I'll just drop a little spoiler.
01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:09.680
I have seen this before because you told me to watch it.
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.479
You were like, fill your rooms, Dad, you need to watch this film.
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:14.640
No, I didn't say that.
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:18.560
I did, I suggested you might have a different take on it than me.
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:18.960
Yeah.
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:20.880
Because you have experienced this.
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.720
However, I yeah, I have a very specific take on it.
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:29.600
I just find it the most beautiful, hopeful film, and I maybe that's because my parents are not dead.
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:36.479
So maybe that's how I can do it, but actually I don't think so because I think this is more than it's not just about parental death, it's about a whole thing.
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:40.720
Now, what I will say, I can't I remember bits of the film, but I can't remember much.
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:41.359
Oh, that's good.
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:44.239
So going into this will be like going into a fresh again.
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:44.880
That's good.
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:48.800
I now so back then I only knew one of the lead actors.
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:54.560
I now know the other lead actor because we've seen them in several other films, Paul Paul Beskell and Andrew Scott.
01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:55.359
Yep.
01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:00.800
But it'll be interesting to see this film now going for it to review it for our podcast.
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:01.279
Okay.
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:04.960
So it's you, but I can do it if you want.
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.119
And if people want more, where can they find you?
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:11.600
Um at Nikkibon.com or you can look for the Lisa McCauliff stories online.
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:12.479
How about you?
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:16.560
I can be found at the Toffey Zodas on YouTube or Phil Timon on TikTok.
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:17.680
Thanks for listening.
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Bye bye.
01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:19.199
And thank you.
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See you later.