ABOUT THIS EPISODE
What happens when light beams collide at high speed? They can transform into matter – possibly explaining how celestial bodies form. This mind-blowing scientific reality perfectly captures the spirit of our conversation with Daan Roosegaarde, the visionary lighting designer who, despite being kicked out of fine art school twice, found his calling in pushing the boundaries of what light can achieve.
In his discussion with Martin Klaasen, Daan weaves through the fascinating parallel between resistance to new ideas and Galileo's revolutionary assertion that Earth orbits the sun – a perspective shift that took humanity 500 years to accept (and we still say "sunrise" despite knowing better). Daan argues that similar perspective transformations are essential in lighting design, where challenging established viewpoints can unlock unprecedented innovation. By bringing together diverse minds at events like Lux Futurum in Shanghai later this year, the lighting community creates space for these paradigm shifts to occur.
The future of lighting extends far beyond illumination. We're merely "scratching the surface" of light's potential to heal, create new dimensions, and allow us to experience the world through entirely different perspectives – imagine seeing through a butterfly's eyes while remaining human. Daan's passion for continued experimentation stems from his conviction that these innovations will fundamentally transform our relationship with our environment and ourselves. As he prepares to take the stage in Shanghai, his message resonates clearly: changing how we perceive light might just change everything else.
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You obviously embody the spirit of Lux Futurum, and that's why we have invited you to speak.
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It's really good that you put people from a certain discipline the light industry together and exchange right, and I think the goal of the conference is to sort of trigger them and tease them in opening up their perspective of what light could be and can be, and to sort of share and show what is possible and the impact that can have, but also show people that journey.
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How do you go from idea to realization?
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How do you trigger clients to approach and and have the guts to do new things right?
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Like we're just scratching we're barely scratching the surface of the potential of light, how it can help us, how it can heal us, how it can create dimensions that we don't know.
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I wish that I and we all together keep experimenting and keep playing with it, because it's going to help us 100%.
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Dan, welcome.
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We have invited you as a keynote speaker in Shanghai in China later this year, where Luxperture for those who don't know it's a recognition program for innovative ideas, new concepts, new projects, all embodying the future, we hope.
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And you obviously embody the spirit of Lux Futurum and that's why we have invited you to speak and share your ideas.
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For somebody who was kicked out of fine art school twice, that's a real compliment.
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I finally fit somewhere Finally.
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It took me 45 years.
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You definitely earned it and we look forward to you presenting what are your thoughts about this whole luxury room that we developed and how that could contribute to the future of lighting lighting design.
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Well, I mean, it's really good that you put people from a certain discipline, the light industry together and exchange right.
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And I think the goal of the conference or at least the reason why I'm coming or when I why I'm thinking I'm coming is to sort of trigger them and tease them in opening up their perspective of what lights could be and can be, and to sort of share and show what is possible and the impact it can have, and not to suggest it's like easy, but also show people the journey.
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How do you go from idea to realization?
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How do you trigger clients to approach and have the guts to do new things?
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Right?
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And I always go back to like 500 years ago.
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You and I, if we would have this conversation, we most likely would have thought the earth was the center of the universe, right, and all the stars would rotate around us, right.
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And and we like that idea, right, we were in control, we really like that idea.
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And then suddenly Galileo came and he said no, no, you're living in a lie, right, actually the earth is turning around the sun, 148 million kilometers away from here.
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And the Catholic church at that time the biggest institution really didn't like that idea.
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So they grounded him for the rest of his life.
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He could not leave his house for the rest of his life just because he had the idea.
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And then Copernicus came and Kepler and they proved he was right.
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But we still, martin, today call it sunset, sunrise, although it's not true.
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And so it took us 500 years and we still haven't fully accepted it to go from that we are the center perspective to our no, we're actually turning around the sun.
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Um, yeah, so what I'm trying to and I'm not suggesting I'm a galileo, by the way, just for the record, uh but but so to change your perspective is everything because, if you look at things in a different way, it changes everything your relationship, your, your value system, your words, right.
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And so I hope the confidence that we'll have on a maybe on a bigger scale, but even on a smaller scale, but on a certain scale, you know what I mean Like helps people to change their perspective.
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And because when you change your perspective, everything changes, and that's really important in a time like this.
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Are we looking in the right way?
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Are we really seeing what's real or not, or is it just an illusion or a sentiment of the past we're holding on to?
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Yeah, Well, part of the event is also to invite the shortlisted winners to actually give a presentation about their work, because just seeing a picture of their work is.
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You know, it's all about sharing knowledge, education, knowledge, education.
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So we felt it was imperative to have the winners come up present and there's sort of.
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Also, the incentive of the submission is that they'll be invited to come to China and present their winning works so that we can learn from it.
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And at the same time we talk about AI, we also put in the submission form that we want them to declare the use of AI so we can learn also about that process.
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Of what part did AI play in the idea creation or the concept or the project that you're presenting to us?
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So we're looking very much forward.
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And if you want, if you send all the images in advance, I can put it all in my mid-jour journey and then create a whole new design from all the winning awards.
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This was a joke.
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No, but it's a joke, but it's doable, it's feasible, because obviously we'll have the engine yeah.
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Let's, let's, let's, let's order the the winners.
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We can do a jazz.
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A mid order the winners first.
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We can do a jazz a mid-journey jazz party afterwards.
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We're looking forward to have you there and much appreciate your acceptance to come and speak to the audience there, this chat with giving you the floor in terms of what do you expect in terms of the future, for you as an innovator, as an artist, but also for the lighting community, in terms of where are we going?
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What can we expect?
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What would you ideally see happening?
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Well, I mean, it's a hunch, right, but there are really interesting, very concrete scientific studies that you can read in science magazine where, when you, when two light beams hit each other on high speed, in very specific circumstances, they become matter, and so the idea is that that's how certain stars or planets are created, right, and so I think we just the idea just blows my mind, right, you know, right, you just, and then you have something like like a real thing you can touch because of light, and so I think we just or a Nobel Prize winner of laser a couple of years ago like we're just scratching, barely scratching the surface of the potential of light, how it can help us, how it can heal us, how it can create dimensions that we don't know, how we can see the world through the eyes of a butterfly, right, while we're actually human.
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And and so I, I, I, I wish that I and we all together have that open perspective on on the power of light and um, and keep experimenting and keep playing with it, because it's going to help us it.
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It's going to help us as humans 100%.
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I have this idea if, when you and I will have a drink in Shanghai later this year, we'll be bouncing ideas and creative concepts with each other, because you look to me like a person that you say one thing and then suddenly boom, you get this idea, or something else.
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The mind is a weird thing.
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The mind is a weird thing.
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Looking forward to it.
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Thanks so much for this chat, dan, much appreciated.
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Thanks, mark you.