ABOUT THIS EPISODE
One minute Wyoming feels bone-dry, and the next you’re driving through a sheet of rain so thick you can barely see past the hood. We start with that exact kind of weather whiplash: storms rolling across southern Wyoming, downpours between Glendo and Douglas, hail that stacks up like snow, and the real-world choices you make behind the wheel when visibility drops to nothing. It’s a very Wyoming mix of awe, caution, and a little disbelief that it can flip so fast.
From there, we pivot into the other thing that can change your mood in a hurry: football. We talk candidly about where the Wyoming Cowboys are right now, why fans are split between firing everyone and making excuses, and why we think the athletic director is ultimately responsible for the direction of the entire program. Then we jump to Oklahoma Sooners football and the frustration of a stalled offense inside a massive, high-pressure machine, including how “old guard” habits can make real change harder than it looks.
We wrap with small-town sports updates, fuel prices, and a question everyone’s asking at the grocery store: what’s actually cheap anymore? Finally, we share a history recommendation we’re genuinely excited about, a new book from wildhistory.org and the University of Wyoming that tells the story of the Equality State through seventy-six objects and places, from iconic landmarks to surprising local gems. If you enjoy Wyoming weather stories, college football talk, and Wyoming history you can dip into anytime, hit subscribe, share the show with a friend, and leave us a review.
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Good morning and welcome to Let's Talk Wyoming.
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I'm Mark Hamilton, your host, and today we'll be taking a look at our Wyoming Cowboy football team and also the Oklahoma Sooners, along with some crazy wet weather.
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Also, we'll talk about a book coming out, 76 Objects.
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Thanks for joining us, and hope you enjoyed the pod.
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You know, I'm gonna have to apologize.
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Last week I talked about whether we haven't had any rain, it's been so dry.
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And guess what happens?
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We get rain.
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And do we get rain?
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I headed down to Cheyenne on Saturday, and there had been rain ahead of that down in that country.
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It seems like the Cheyenne and that southern part of Wyoming is getting a lot of uh splash and dust type showers at night.
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It's a little different weather pattern down there, that southern part of Wyoming.
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A lot of those storms come rolling out of Nebraska and hit the Cheyenne area and head on that direction, head uh to the west.
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But on Sunday, when started making the trip home, I had read some reports on Facebook about some downpours between Casper and Shoshone.
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And that country out there around the Trona, I've been out in that area too before where you get crazy rainstorms.
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Just crazy.
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And also with the snow.
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And that night four, they had people traveling, and of course, the downpours came, and so did the hail.
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And it was like snow.
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The whole road was covered, looked like a blizzard November.
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So I was prepared for about anything.
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Looked like it was going to be okay.
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Got up that morning and left probably about 11 o'clock from Cheyenne and started heading to the north.
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Got to about Wheatland and the raindrops started falling down.
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Of course, everything to the north was just black everywhere you looked.
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And got around chugwater to Wheatland, I said, kind of showers on the little uh sprinkles now and then, turned on the windshield wipers.
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And then when you got a little bit farther, it suddenly turned into a total downpour.
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I mean a total downpour.
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The stretch around Glendo, it was just totally a sheet of rain coming down, and you could barely see in front of you.
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And so I hit my flashers.
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I was in my pickup truck.
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There was a semi that I went around, and again, I've gotten that habit from days of traveling in whiteouts and a lot of snow of turning on the flashers, and hopefully that someone can see you, and it's the same in that situation.
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Of course, everybody had headlights on, but the way it was coming down, it was like no hope.
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So it was rather a little spicy, I should say.
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And got out of it closer got to Douglas, and then it was clear all the way into Casper.
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And stopped at the gas station in Casper and talked to a gentleman that was headed to Riverton.
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He had been coming from the north from up in Midwest in that direction, and he had ran into a similar type of storm where you couldn't see in front of your vehicle.
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And so headed across, had started heading west out of Casper and got out by Natrona.
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In that area, you could see puddles everywhere, lakes everywhere, and there were still remnants of the hail, snow hail in piles around the area.
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And then didn't have any rain all the way home.
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Got back to Thermopolis, and here in Thermopolis, my rain gauge looked like we got about 1.1 inches of rain.
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So it was a productive rain.
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You can sure tell it out there.
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The trees and everything loves it.
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The birds, everyone.
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Everybody's happy when the rain comes down.
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So that was definitely a blessing in disguise.
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But this weather, it's nice to get a rain.
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I hate to be kind of one of these that kind of wish certain things, but it's always great to get a nice, steady rain.
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With these downpours, of course, they're kind of localizing areas, it comes so fast it just washes off and really doesn't have a lot of effect.
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Maybe it'll put a little water in some reservoirs, but I don't know.
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Right now, the forecast is for the next two weeks is pretty nice weather.
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I don't see a frost, and I thought we'd have a frost by the end of September.
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Still got stuff growing.
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Of course, that uh rain sure did help.
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Did dig up some potatoes yesterday, had a nice potato crop, and flowers are still out.
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So as long as it doesn't freeze, I've got, as I said last week, I can move a lot of plants inside if I need to.
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But this weather is crazy.
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And again, as I said, western, southwestern Wyoming, all the way along to the east.
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That country's been getting some crazy storms, and I know the Cheyenne area has gotten them.
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It rains and blows, and those clouds down there are just going every direction but straight.
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So weather, damn, there's always some negatives from that.
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I noticed on Monday I had to make a trip up to Tensley, up to Circle J, and the beet harvest had been stopped.
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They started the early beet harvest, and of course, with that rain, they can't dig beet, so everybody was shut down, but as dry as it is and such, it's not going to take long for those fields to dry out.
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They'll be back in there and getting on with that beet harvest.
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It's amazing.
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I always tell people I can remember as a young lad that the beets, uh, the harvest took forever.
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Of course, the equipment in those days, comparative to what they have now, night and day.
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Just night and day.
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The small trucks, the small diggers.
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Nowadays, everything's in a semi.
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They're digging with this equipment just second to none.
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Got carts full of beets.
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It's a they can get through a field pretty darn quick anymore, as long as the weather's good.
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So that did have a little bit of a stop, but I'm sure they're gonna be back up and going.
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And hunting season's got to be coming.
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It's right around the corner.
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Most of your hunting season will start around the 1st of October.
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Bow season's been on in a lot of areas, and then we always go by the 15th of October, is about the start of the general season here in the state of Wyoming.
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We used to have when I was in high school.
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We got off for hunting season.
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They actually at one time called it hunting season, and then they said, then they changed the name to Fall Festival, I guess, to be politically correct.
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So all those things are happening.
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Also in our state of Wyoming, as I always say, all the sports are going on.
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We've got to talk about our Wyoming Cowboys.
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Now, I I have to admit, I'm a University of Wyoming grad.
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Also, I've spent a lot of years in Oklahoma and I'm an Oklahoma Sooner fan.
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And it's not a good year for either school right now in football.
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They're both.
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Now, the Sooners are two on one, but you would think it's the end of the world.
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But the Cowboys are one and two and really could be oh and three.
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They pulled one out against Northern Colorado with a rain delay.
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People on the message boards, there's the group that wants to fire everybody.
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There are other people, well, you know, they make excuses.
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I call them the Water Boys.
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And I'm not for firing coaches after a bad season.
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But we have not had much luck.
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And how I feel about it, our A D.
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Now we've changed our University of Wyoming president.
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They don't keep those people in place just because that's okay.
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We're we're doing alright.
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No, they get rid of presidents, they get head of managers.
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Anywhere in the work world, if you're not delivering, then you have to be replaced.
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They bring in somebody else, whether they transfer you, whether you go find another job.
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And I think the Cowboys are at that point.
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Their AD has been there for quite some time.
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And I will tell you, that the sports programs for warming people, we're pretty happy with mediocre.
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We seem to just uh we're we're diehard fans.
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No matter what the cowboys are doing, we're gonna cheer for them.
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But then there's a point.
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I think what they need, if I was in charge, if I was the new president, I would get rid of the AD.
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There's no sense giving more chances, anything like that.
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Just say thank you.
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Find a new A D.
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Now go outside.
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Don't bring in another Wyoming person.
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Get somebody from outside somewhere.
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Bring that person in and tell them, okay, if you got three years, first priority with our programs.
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We want to change, we want something to happen with the football program.
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Let that AD take care of it.
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Let the AD, the new AD, make the decision on coaching staff, what they want to do.
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That AD is the boss of the athletic program.
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If the athletic program is not going well, the AD is the one that's responsible.
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So bring that new person in, tell them, here you got three years.
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If you don't come up with an answer, we'll find another A D.
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Put a time limit on it and let that person go and say, hey, I'm going to clean out the football program.
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We need to change direction.
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We need to take and bring in a brand new staff.
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We need to just have a fresh start with the program.
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And then you start looking at what else is important.
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Is basketball important?
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What are the sports and what do you want to do with the sports?
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But have a new AD.
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When you're in the same job for a long time, Berman, the AD, has been there a long time.
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His track record, I wouldn't say, would be stellar.
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So that would be my answer.
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Now the Sooners are just a totally different program.
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Multi-million dollar empire, and they're having trouble offensively.
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I don't know what the issue is.
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They've had trouble offensively for quite a few years.
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People talk about fire the coordinator, the offensive coordinator.
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The coach, Brett Venerable, just got a renewal again.
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I think he's renewed out for six years.
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Nobody's released what the buyout's going to be, but they're talking about getting rid of the get rid of the offensive coordinator.
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But here's the issue that I can see, like any organization.
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Sometimes when you come in as offensive coordinator, I was referring to as that AD, you want to bring in the people that you're familiar with.
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When you have all the diehard Oklahoma people still sitting there, and you're the new guy with a new system, you have to have your people to run your system.
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And any organization, I don't care where it is, when somebody new comes in, the old guard want to not have any changes.
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They don't like change.
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And so you can never get anything done because they're not willing to do it.
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So sometimes you gotta say, you know what, Mr.
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Athletic Director, here's what we're gonna do.
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Let's go ahead and tell that offensive coordinator, hey, Mr.
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Offensive Coordinator, you can hire whoever you want for your offensive line coach, your back coach, your wide receiver coach.
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That's your job.
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You produce, and there's no more excuses.
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But they're two-on-one right now.
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They played a good New Mexico team, and it was a 14-6 game.
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The offense is just non-existent for the Sooners.
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So they go to Georgia this week, and people are getting a little frantic.
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But again, you're talking about a multimillion dollar program.
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It's a little different world than the University of Wyoming.
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With the level they're playing and and such with the fan base.
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So that's kind of it for college football.
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They got a long season left to go.
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High school football, the Thermopolis Bobcats, they had a heartbreaker.
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They went to play Cokeville.
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Last Friday, of course, Cokeville does not have lights for their field, so they uh play an afternoon game and they got down.
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They were down 14 to 7, scored late, and elected to go for the two-point conversion for the win and came up just a little bit short.
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So tough one for the Bobcats because with the Western 2-A conference, what you're trying to do is not finish below first place.
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You don't want to finish in that second, that lower tier, because most likely you're going to end up having to play Bighorn in the semifinals.
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And Bighorn is such a juggernaut, you want to avoid them like the plague.
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So you want to win the conference.
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So now the work is cut out for the Bobcats, not saying they can can't do it because sure enough, high school football, Cokev could get beat.
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They've got that would be the one Cokeville's got a tiebreaker with the Bobcats, so that helps with Cokeville, but there's still a lot of football to go.
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So rather interesting.
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Went to a six-man football game on Friday up at Riverside High School.
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Six-man football is quite uh an event.
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There's a lot of action in the game.
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There's a lot of scoring usually in the game, so it's just a total different atmosphere.
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If you have a dominant player, a running back, you can pretty well become a champion because of the size differential.
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A lot of these schools, these smaller schools just don't have the athletic kids.
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But six-bound football, it is fun to watch.
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You need to watch it to try to explain it.
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But the Rebels came out on top.
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It was homecoming last week up at Riverside, so a good win.
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Also, the volleyball team who hasn't won a game all year, they finally got a victory.
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They beat encampment, and so that was a big boost for the volleyball program.
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So everything's going on, all the sports are happening.
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Beat Harvest has been shut down.
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We're all just sitting around, just enjoying our Indian summer.
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As I said, beautiful weather out there, cool at night.
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It finally warms up a little bit in the afternoon.
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Just gorgeous here in the state of Wyoming.
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The best time of year to visit and travel here in the state of Wyoming is right now.
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And talking about travel, just quickly, you know, our price of fuel.
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I keep saying about where fuel's going, it's going up.
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Diesel prices are over$6, and it's going to continue to go.
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There, this isn't the top.
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There's a long way to go.
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And I was amazed the amount of traffic from coming across from Casper to Shoshone on Sunday afternoon.
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There was one pack of 24 cars that were bunched up, and people were all driving big rigs, and and then from there from Shoshone through the canyon to Thermop was just people, people, people.
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Of course, it's Sunday.
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A lot of people are going home, been places, but travel's not slowing down, even with the price of fuel.
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And I guess the other thing I have a question about, we're talking about beef prices.
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Brooke Rawlings had a comment that, you know, beef is high, so go ahead and buy chicken and eggs.
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Well, have you seen the price of eggs are pretty expensive?
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Everything's a little expensive.
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What is cheap right now?
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But really, when you look at it, a hamburger, I buy my hamburger, I might pay eight to nine, ten dollars a pound, but for me that's a that's a reasonable price.
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I don't know why we expect that beef should be low.
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Um it's uh with what it provides, the nutrition factor with it and such.
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So I don't know.
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We've gotta start eating less beef and more chicken and eggs.
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So take your choice on what your preference is.
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And if you want good beef, try some of our Wyoming beef.
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Second to none.
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Our history section, I want to put a plug in here for wildhistory.org.
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This is a book that they're coming out with, and it's a book that tells the story of Wyoming through seventy-six objects and places.
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This little piece was pr put together by the University of Wyoming by Mr.
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Paul Flesher, director of Merit and Heritage Center at the University of Wyoming.
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Did you ever want to know more about the history of Wyoming, the state we all know and love in an accessible way?
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If so, when Wyoming History and Seventy Six Object and Places taking stock at America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, it's the book for you.
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The volume dives into the state's history and brings the best moments and accomplishments to light.
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By connecting them to seventy six historical objects and places, turning its pages, you will discover obvious choices with new insight and hidden historical gems.
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This is a different kind of history book.
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Rather than provide an ongoing narrative about people and events, it ignores the historical sequence and gives readers an opportunity to dip into key aspects of Wyoming's past by focusing on objects and places that were important to Wyoming people.
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It provides a look at the visual past.
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Some objects are small and personal, such as hats or skis.
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Others are larger, like sheep wagons or flags.
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Some places are buildings, such as the Wyoming State Capitol or Fort Laramie's old bedlam.
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Others are a natural sight, such as Heart Mountain or Crowhart Butte.
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Every object and place was chosen because it was given importance by Wyoming's people.
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The volume's objects range in time from when only native people lived in Wyoming to the twenty first century and come from across the state.
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They include Devil's Tower and Chief Washke's Peace Pipe, the Cheyenne Deadwood Stage, and the Dale Creek Bridge on the Transcontinental Railroad, a Steam Whistle from the Kemmer Coal Mine, Cowboy Hat and the Saddle, Lincoln Statue on the Lincoln Highway, The Green River Rendezvous, and even Jackalopes.
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Written by more than fifty experts from around Wyoming, these pieces provide reliable insight into their subjects.
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The book's lack of explicit connection among the objects enables the reader to seek out and identify links himself.
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This makes it fun to read for students and teachers, for book clubs for people who are passionate about Wyoming's past, and for any state resident who wants to know more about Wyoming history, all of whom can enjoy working out the historical connection among many of the objects.
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For example, Wyoming's model as an equality state connects a number of objects.
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Objects in the book include the signed oath of office and the states and the nation's first woman governor, Nellie Taylor Ross, the handwritten 1869 bill that gave women in the Wyoming Territory the right to vote and to participate in government, the court case book of Esther Morris, the first female justice of the peace in Wyoming and the nation, and the page from the Wyoming Constitution establishing women's suffrage in 1890.
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There are many topics where several of the book objects connect.
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Let me suggest just a few Wyoming Ranching and Agricultural Industry, Recreation and Entertainment, The Growth of Transportation, and Wyoming's role in the national communication system.
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Wyoming history in seventy-six objects and places is part of the Wyoming celebration of America's milestone two hundred and fifty years since the Declaration of Independence, a document that called America's people to independence, liberty, and equality.
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Seventy-six objects were chosen for this book to celebrate that year two hundred and fifty years ago, seventeen seventy-six.
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Look at for Wyoming's history in seventy-six objects and places in your county or high school library, your local bookstore or museum shop at Wordsworth Publishing website, W O R D S, W O R T H Publishings website, or online at Amazon.
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You can have print or Kindle and read your copy today.
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You know, that would be a good Christmas gift.
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It would be a good gift for anyone.
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The history of our illustrious state of Wyoming.
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As for the Coat of the West, we ride for the brand and we ride for Wyoming.