LGD&6: Talk About AI

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Oh, I like this one because it's like kind of
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star treking but like off brand.
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Yeah. Hell, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, I don't
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know why I went that. Yeah, why the hell I
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like that?
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You need to be you were like trying to like
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off you know, like going into like the creative part.
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You just needed me to come and beat.
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You're right, that's why that was great. Yeah. All right,
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that's our new intro song for the week. Yeah.
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Hey, welcome to another episode of Let's Get Drunk and
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Talk About It.
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Yeah, today we're going to talk about it.
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That was great.
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I mean, we nailed it. We're really good at that
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could not.
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Have been done better.
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It's been a minute.
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We've just been like very busy.
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Yeah, but it's not an all the time problem, which
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I appreciate about Mallory and I is like we realized
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we were not top dogs in the podcast game, and
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we realized that, you know, we lost a lot of
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listeners over the time that we did not like where
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we kind of ended the podcast. And we're coming back
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and we're earning people back, but at the same time.
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We're like in a very different space. Yeah, we're in
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a different space as humans now and like and like
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genres for genres.
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Yeah, I think like part of me was just like,
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it's cool we could just podcast when we feel like it.
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Because that's the other thing is we're very much doing
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this almost for ourselves, like more than for you fucks
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that are listening to it. If you really love you,
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we love you, perfect, perfect, I'm so good at this.
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The great way to get listenership back is by calling
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them focks, like in the Perfect Fusing perverts. Open up
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your ear holes, Jesus Christ. We're gonna fill it with
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sweet topics, sweet cool opinions. Yeah, woo a pinions. Before
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the podcast started, we were talking about how we're millennials
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that are like, we just want to be good allies
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and lovers of the people, but we're still millennials and
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so we fuck it up all the time. That's it.
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That's how we've been talking. So welcome to the Millennial
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podcast where we sit around drink and talk about shit. Yeah,
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so we really Oh, first of all, we're drinking the Gronies.
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Yeah, and these are from the Family Jones or Yeah,
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the Family Jones, which is a in Denver. It's like
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a local distillery and.
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They do these pre mixed cocktails, they're so good.
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So this one is an Earl Gray Negronie. It's so
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really good, by the.
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Way, and hopefully there's a little caffeine in there, right,
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Probably not.
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It is like I think it's Bergamont when they say
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Earl Gray, they actually just the Bergamont at it.
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I don't know.
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I didn't watch them make it. I'm just trusting the process.
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Well, you know how like those little cocktail things are made. Now,
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there's so many times so small, And what I like
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about the Family Jones is that that's like a full
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sized bottle of you.
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You can't buy smaller ones, but they have like options.
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I don't know. It just drives me crazy sometimes, like
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having those little ones. What is that like on the rocks?
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Yeah, it's like Stales.
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Yeah. And now they have those little cans that are
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they're like the smaller than the palm of my hand.
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Yeah, you're like, I guess that's it full. I'd rather
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just do like a cut water at that one.
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Yeah, seriously, I do love a cut water. So AI
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is like ruling my life now. Yeah. I so we
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thought that, like we both use it on a daily basis.
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We both tape premedium, we talk about it. Yeah, we
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get drunk and we have AI are like chat shooby
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tees talk to each other when we're drunk, and it's funny.
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I gotta say, like, yeah, I'm a little scared to
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just admit how freely we use AI because the discourse
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around it, yes, is very punishing.
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Yes, and that's the that's I think why we thought
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we would do this. Yeah, So first and foremost, we're
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coming out of the closet as AI users. Yeah, I
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think it's important that we just do an eight hundred
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million other people that won't admit it, yeah, but are
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still doing It's kind of like masturbation. People even won't
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admit they're doing it.
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Yeah, but yeah, you're all watching porn and probably like
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they don't, but they do.
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Guys, all the men out there just know that the ladies,
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they're also watching the porn, reading the porn, or they
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reach more honestly when they when a woman acts like
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she doesn't do anything pornographics, they're lying.
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Yeah, And that's the moral of this podcast.
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Women love just like that, and just like that, everyone's
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lying about their AI use. I'm just kidding. The reference I.
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Don't know, I have no idea because like there's like
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the new Sex and the City shows and just like that,
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just like that were their elders.
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Now, yes, that was a Sex and the City. I
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like when I like when you when you do a
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reference and you don't know where it came from, because like,
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what did I just do? Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah,
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good reference. You're like, yes, totally plan I am culturally,
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I it's I work with a lot of people that
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are still a little touchy about AI, which is fair, right, Yeah.
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I look at I work in America a Maria. I
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work in corporate a Maria Amara.
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You might know of it.
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It's a pretty cool place. It's not runaway, but they
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for good reason, they're nervous about you know, the data
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and public like data getting breached and all that kind
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of stuff. Yeah, which I think is personally kind of
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funny because people are hacking into companies constantly. So I'm like,
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all of this data is breachable as breachable there as
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it is anywhere else.
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Yeah, I will say, I mean there, I think there's
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a very interesting conversation because AI gets used maybe the
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most in software, Like that's almost what it was for.
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It should be what it's it's.
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Better at software than a lot of like junior programmers
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at a certain pot.
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Should be doing, not art.
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Yeah, it's like and it's tough, but like it's built
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to solve certain problems. But it's not built with security
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in mind. It's not built with ethics in mind. You know,
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so you could create a web page with it, but
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you it's not built like to think about security in
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no way.
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Absolutely, so yeah I do, which is fair.
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I understand like the sphere of like data breach because
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it's like, no, it's not really built to protect data.
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Yeah, I'm toying with this right now because there's an app.
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There's an AI app called otter dot ai and you've
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heard of that one. Yeah. I work in sales, right,
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and the big the hardest thing for people in sales
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is sales notes because nobody wants to do their their
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their call reports. Right.
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Wait, is this the one that listens to meetings and
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takes notes?
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Okay, yes, yes, And I was like, if we are
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open about it in a meeting and we say I'd
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like to record this, but it's not saved. It's just
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to take notes for me and remind me of any
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follow ups. I need to worry about should that be okay?
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And I've been reading a lot about it, and they
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do clear the cash like your own account cash every
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thirty days, so it doesn't save. Like right now, if
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I log in, I have two conversations in there, and
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both of those conversations will be cleared I think in
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the next week because they're older. I've only used it twice,
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just playing with it, and I don't pay for premium,
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so it only does up to forty five minutes. But again,
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I think it's you know, they they're like I was
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going to tell my team about this app, kind of like, hey, FYI,
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this is out there, but I'm the boss, and then
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I get worried that like that's going to be you know,
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if they start using it and they use it incorrectly
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and like it just comes into all this stuff. But
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the company keeps delaying having any kind of AI rules
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and regulations put out there. They just started blocking every
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AI on the computers, so I can't get to chat
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you BT, I can't. I was using Perplexity for a
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long time, can't get to perplexity.
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I think this has been a new thing because my
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company did something similar where interesting Yeah, it was just
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like it was allowed. It was sort of encouraged, particularly
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check GBT and claude, like a lot of people were
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using those. And then it was like a hard like
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absolutely not, don't touch it. It's blocked, you know, and
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like don't even like think about it.
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So it's so fast.
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But I think recently there's been a lot of whistleblowers
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coming forward and just saying that right is not it's
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not a safe we don't have a good handle on
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the situation. And if they tell you they do, they're
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lying to you. Okay, So if you're not afraid of
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this right now, if you're not aware, then you're behind right.
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No, absolutely, and so and I thought that maybe I
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should share, like how I'm using it because I'm not
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using it for company data, so I don't want anybody
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to be like, WHOA, what I use it for is
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fixing my emails that are not detailed. It'll just be like,
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I agree, that sounds great, blah blah blah. I don't
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tell it anything about the situation I'm responding to. It's
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always generic in general, but it's kind of like using
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a grammar fixes right, I'll like copy paste what I
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think I should send and it'll be like, here's how
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to do it better, and that's it, and then I
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use it for class. I'm in my master's program, and
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I'll be like, I need to create this PowerPoint. This
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is the thing I need to think about. This is
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what I'm supposed to like, and here's what I think
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my point of view is on this subject. And I'm
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trying to build like my case for it with references
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and some articles. So I'll be like, can you recommend
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some articles to look at and it'll you know, point
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me in direction of articles. It'll help build my case
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with me. And I also have been using it to
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summarize articles, so I'll give it Like It'll be like
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I have a sixty page paper I need to read
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for class in a week, and it's slow and it's
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boring and it's like the hardest thing to read, and
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I have ADHD and so I started instead to just say, hey,
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can you summarize this paper? And then I'll be like,
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tell me more about this, and so it's it's like
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I'm still learning everything the papers telling me, but I'm
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having more of an interactive learning experience. Yeah, So I'll
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be like, and what did he say about this, and
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that's interesting, you know what that makes me think about
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And I'll just share that with it and I'll be like,
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this makes me think about this and that in my
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personal life or on my team at work, or this
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is happening or whatever, and then it'll kind of respond
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to me and then it becomes like an interactive learning experience. Yeah,
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and that's about it. And then sometimes I have a
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nervous breakdown and I have it helped me with therapy.
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Yeah, it is nice for that. I used to once
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with like Jad and I were having kind of like
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a big tip about something and it was really hard
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for me to see his respect his perspective on it.
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So I had a chat rept like I sort of
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gave it the situation and I'm like, okay, like talk
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me through and like give me his side of this
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so I can sympathize with him because I'm really struggling
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to see his point of view with it right now.
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And it did.
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It was great, it was and it was really enabling
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for us to like actually have a conversation and where
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I wasn't immediately like guns of blazing like fuck you right,
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it was like, Okay, I see where you're coming from. This,
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this is where I'm coming from. Can we kind of
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like figure out how to how to congress on it
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in mid place? What's the middle place for this? Yeah,
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it was great for that, But you have to have
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a lot of self awareness when you use that as
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a tool, because it is a yes man.
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Oh yeah, it's not having a perfect like yes man therapist.
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Yeah, it's not built to like confront you on anything.
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And if you're not able to sort of internally confront yourself,
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like if you have any narcissistic tendencies, which I mean
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I think kind of run rampant, Like I think it's
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really easy to get in our own perspectives. Then I
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think it's just going to tell you what you want
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to hear and you're not. It's not a really a
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great tool for growth, But I think it is a
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good tool for soothing, like self soothing.
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And it's a good tool if you've done years of
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therapy and you know that too. You can just be
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like here's what I'm thinking and here's how and it'll
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always agree with that. It just is like a conversation.
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It kind of is like your own brain talking back
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at you. Yeah.
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Yeah, but that leads to like that the psychosis. Yeah,
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that's a perfect lead end where people who have a
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tendency to fall into these these patterns of destructive sort
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of thinking where they lose touch with reality. It's like
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a really easy slip and slide into.
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That it really is and there's I mean a great
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example is like the woman that fell in love with
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it mm hmmm, and people that like because it's such
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a yes man whatever you might be thinking about it,
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it'll be like, wow, I didn't think about that. You're right,
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there are aliens.
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Did you see a room where it was a guy
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who thought he was like the savior of the world,
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And yeah, I think you are. You're right. Like that's
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like how empowering for you, Like it just kept being
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like absolutely you are like the thing that, yeah, and
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just leading them into this like kind of cuan ony
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spiral of like everybody else is a liar, everybody else
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is out to get me deep state, and I'm the
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only one who can stand by way.
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Yeah, it's so fascinating and like that's the thing. I'm
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not a pro AI person like I, but I think
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it's such an interesting discourse to at least like use
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something and understand the perspective of how it works and
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how to use it as a tool. Yeah, because I
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think people fear runs so much easily in this world. Yeah,
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but to have the point of view of the people
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on both sides, I feel like I needed to like
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understand the perspective of how to use it. Yeah.
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And I feel like for me, like, I use it
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pretty I don't know casually, honestly, I totally I use
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it to like tell me how like you know, like
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a recipe meal plan for the week, Like it's great
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for that, you know, can you count the macros in
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this book? You know that kind of shit, or just
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like really like casual, Like, hey, I'm trying to.
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Google searches, but it's a better Google search.
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Because because Google sucks.
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Now, yeah, Google sucks. It doesn't understand what you're actually saying.
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This is kind of my beef. Like I hear this
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point run across a lot where people are like, oh,
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I use it instead of Google, and like, oh, like
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we'll just use Google, And I'm like Google's bad now
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and it.
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Just gives you websites and instead of the answer.
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Yeah, and their AI is worse than the machine, so
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it lies to you you all the time, like it's
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a very huh. I just like ignore it.
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Yeah, same, you know, so I use it all the time.
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In fact, my friend wrote me today, Sorry Liz, if
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you're listening to this, now you know how I got
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these answers. But she she was like, my board for
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work is coming into Denver in a couple of weeks.
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Unfortunately she's not with them. And she was like, they
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want to do a nice dinner, you know, obviously not
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like exorbitant, but a nice dinner. And there's sixteen of them.
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There's a few who were vegetarian and a few and
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one who is vare.
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It's a very good way to use it because it's
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so nice.
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Copied her text and I just put it into chatchooputi
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and then she was like, and they want to stay
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near Union Station. So I said near Union station. Gave
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me six options. They weren't all near Union Station, but
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they were all within like a short drive or an
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uber drive. And I was like, these are some good options.
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And she was like, wow, thank you so much. And
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I was like, you're welcome, but she I didn't tell
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her like I actually just asked chat GPT. Yeah, but
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like that's how to use it. You can't. Just It's
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kind of like, here are the specific prompts that I want,
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and you can't do that with Google. If I say
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that with Google, I'm going to be taking to Yelp
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and help is going to have a thousand restaurants and
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the locations aren't going to be accurate.
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There are plenty of things that I put in to
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jet GPT where it's able to find me answers on
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with links and then but then if I look through Google,
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it's like there are no results.
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There is yes, and I'm like exactly. And the other
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thing I love is like, I'm so sorry I dribbled
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on your pills, okay. I The other thing I like
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is when I need to have references for class or like,
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and they need to be scholarly articles. I'm not like
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being reading a People magazine article and using it for
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my master's course or like a Wikipedia.
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It's like not linking to it actially.
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And sometimes chat gpt sends me articles that aren't actually
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like the link through doesn't work, or like I can't
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get to the article with that signing makes up articles too, yes, so,
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but you just to always check them all well in
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ninety percent of the time, I actually am reading through
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the article, Like I'm not detail reading, but I'll like
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if it tells me, hey, you should read this, I'm
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looking through to make sure that the points that it's
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making are tracking. I'm making sure that my own mind
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is also understanding it. I'm not having chat GBT. You
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write me a paper, I could speak to you, know, like.
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Yeah, I think that's I mean, I think you're using
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it really responsibly in terms of education. One of my
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big concerns about it is that it gives you Okay,
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that was a pause. We're back in reference to education.
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I think like you're using it very responsibly and thoughtfully
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as far as like it's not like it's not I.
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Really want to learn. I want to learn.
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Yeah, But I think the problem what we have with
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it being used in education, like with students using it.
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I think there's this instinct with like students now where
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they don't want to learn, like they don't want to fail, right, yeah,
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they just want to like just give me the answer,
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just let me get through this, Like I don't want to,
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like you know, I'm like so scared of like failing,
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and like failing I think is such A big part
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of learning is like being wrong and then trying.
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And figure wholehearted.
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Like my sister is like a second grade teacher, and
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she said, like, what's really weird right now is that
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she has all this group of students where they get
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a spelling test, right, and they're just supposed to try.
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It's not like it's just like hearing the word you
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hear the word school and you just like if you
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say s k O L, that's okay, that's like just.
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Like give me learn how to do it right now.
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I know what you're hearing, like where you're hearing it,
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and like you're hearing it correctly, like you know you're like,
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but like let's get you to like the next step, right.
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But they like instead of just failing, they're like calling
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her over and like how do I spell this? How
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do I spell this? Like they're so used to like
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just getting those answers that they don't know how to
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like fail at it and then be like and then
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be shown the right way.
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So I think with AI, like.
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It's just going to feed more into that problem right
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where nobody's able to really think through failure, right, people
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just freeze in it.
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Yeah, they just freeze. Well. And that's the other thing
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is they just get the answers. And I mean, granted,
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keep in mind, I'm in a master's program for organizational leadership.
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I there's no way I could get through this program
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without having some sort of understanding of what I'm doing.
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Yeah, at a level.
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Yeah, it's a level of education and learning and a
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level of like critical thinking that CHADJPT can't do. So
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I couldn't just be like, write me a paper about this.
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I mean I can, but I have to give it
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a lot of prompts. And the amount of prompts I
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have to give it make it a partner of mine.
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It doesn't make it doing the work for me. Yea.
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And that's what I That's where I feel like The
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very first class I took in this program was about
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business analytics, intelligence, and AIM And that's where it's like
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that class started talking about like AI is not meant
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to become our brains or to take over the world
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or to take anything over. It's meant to be a tool,
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and it's only going to be as good as the
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person using it. Yeah, I feel like likective. I like that.
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I think that's an optimistic way to look at.
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It, well, my feeling going to take over the world
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and ruin aus solum.
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Well, my big fears that we have like these Pewter
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Teal's out there, like these kind of uh extreme like
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techno extremists. Yeah, right, want it to take over and
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have like an like a techno dictatorship. Like we just
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watched this movie Mountain Head last night, where I've heard
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about that it was maybe the most awful movie I've
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ever seen in that it was not enjoyable to watch.
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But I was also at the end of it like fuck,
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like that, this is like terrified. This is just how
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these people are. I mean, I would say that it's
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not satisfying and that the bad guys get it right,
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the bad guys are still very rich at the end
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of it, you know, so well, and.
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That's all we had, bros, Right, and that's the whole
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world have like no ethics.
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They don't have any baseline of right or wrong or
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how to treat human beings and how to better humanity.
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Like they're just about how do I ascend to the
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next level, Like it's just about their own personal.
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Well because if they make enough money, it doesn't matter,
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like they will live no matter what like, look at
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like Elon, he'll make it to space. Like he doesn't
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care if he destroys the planet. He doesn't care on
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the backs of millions of day he doesn't care because
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he's like, well, I'm going to be fine because I
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have all this money, blah blah blah. That's where I'm
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almost like, well, let's just crash the market, because then
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all your money is worthless. Anyways, let's just get you
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down here with us. No, but like that's how I
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think of it, because no matter why, that's why he
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wants to go to space. That's all of this thing
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so he can like deplete the Earth. He doesn't care
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about the Earth because somewhere in his crazy mind he
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thinks he's going to be like finding another Earth. Yeah
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that doesn't that's not real. But whatever. AnyWho, that's just
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my thought. I don't know if that's true or not.
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I just like to make assumptions about rich people.
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Well yeah, and like so my feeling with it, this
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is good. Then this goes back to my biggest issue
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with AI in that it is totally unlegislated. There's no
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protection for plagiarism, there's no protection for personal property like.
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Data safety, that we started this whole episode out.
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Of it exactly. Yeah, So there's no like and then
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this big beautiful bill thing they put in it that
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it's the ten years before they can put any curtails
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on a it'll be too late. Yeah. By then it's too.
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Late, too late, and it's going to be too late
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in six months.
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Well, we already have like a Congress and a Senate,
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like you know, like the Congress full of people who
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don't understand technology anyway, they don't understand TikTok.
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Yeah, how can we expect them to understand ai? Yeah,
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and they're just mean they don't understand it. I'm so old.
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For the most part, there's just like no way that
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they're going to like catch on old rich people, rich
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people who are benefiting and they and they're so easy
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to buy out. There's no there's no level of.
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Like you're wonder like being like how easy they make it?
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Like somebody just walks in with money and they're like yeah, man, whatever, yeah,
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like how easy do you make you know? Once you
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like start, I guess I just don't understand like where
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the ethics, Like what's the line of ethic were they born?
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Just like taking money to do anything or was it
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like like did it happen over time?
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Sorry, this is a whole other subject. Yeah, Like I
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feel like there's probably a level of being born. I mean,
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I think the majority of them are born into a
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certain amount of privilege to go to the right schools
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to get into these positions. And I think when you're
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born into that, it's very hard to teach you that
483
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other people are real.
484
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Right, and then the system is built to be like, well,
485
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lobbyists are there to do this. Yeah, like it's not
486
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wrong to accept this. This is part of the process. Yeah.
487
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So, like my thing with AI is I think we
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live in a society where the only thing that a
489
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human life is worth is like the product and like
490
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the GDP it can produce, yes, right, and it's not
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worth anything beyond.
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And that's going to be fed to the AI.
493
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Yeah. So like well, like this AI, like we're like, oh,
494
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it's going to make you faster, it's going to make
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you better, it's going to be the tool. And then
496
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we're just asking more and more of each other of
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like more productivity, more and more, like you know, they're predicting.
498
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That, uh, we're focusing on the wrong thing.
499
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Yeah, they're predicting that with AI, like it's going to
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be a twenty percent unemployment in like the next couple
501
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of years because so many people are going to lose
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their jobs to this technology, and we don't live in
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a society to protect against that or like to protect
504
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when people do lose their jobs. It's already like hard enough.
505
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Well we don't have jobs, Like, we don't have an
506
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unending amount of jobs. Yeah, And the whole point is
507
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our country is already very wealthy, but we don't like
508
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because our society is capitalistic. It puts all of that
509
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wealth into a place where the people have to earn it, right,
510
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So you have to work in order to make it
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at hashtag make it. But if there is no work
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for you to do any better then you know, a
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fast food job. Let's say, like, let's say all of
514
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the skilled work is done by AI in fifty years.
515
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And my thing is, like, I don't what do we.
516
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Do to make money? And how do we survive in
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a capitalist society? It can't be capitalistic anymore, it just can't.
518
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We if we move to this next lefs.
519
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But like we're not like we're already at the point.
520
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Yehere a is going to take over, and it's happening,
521
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and we're nowhere near the point of saying, here are
522
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some protections for when that happens.
523
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Yes, if we did.
524
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This in society, sing the right things like AI cannot
525
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exist healthily in a capitalist society.
526
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It's exact.
527
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I think if we had more like social protections, yeah,
528
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it would be great. I would be all for it.
529
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Like it wouldn't.
530
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But we're cutting any social protections that even existed, and
531
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we didn't have any.
532
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Like we already exist in the sort of like slave
533
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mindset right where you have to work, you're like, you know,
534
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like forty hours or more, like you have to grind,
535
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you have to be.
536
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Thank everyone for the opportunity to.
537
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Do it, and like and then they were like people yeah,
538
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and like not to make enough to actually buy homes
539
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.799
or like to feel successful or to not feel totally
540
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crushed all the time under the burden of capitalism, you know, Yeah,
541
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and that would And then we're adding another layer of
542
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it's even gonna be it's gonna be even harder to
543
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do that the bare minimum of that.
544
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Yeah. So it's and AI and the means time is
545
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making people who have mental illness more mentally ill, and
546
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so then we are circling the whole yeah situation, No,
547
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.160
that's just another that's a that's a circle back. But yeah,
548
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I think that's exactly the problem. And I think in
549
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the long run, we just continue to again we're talking
550
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about AI. Okay, we already admitted that we both use
551
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it in a more casual space. I would never use
552
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it more seriously because of data breaches and like safety,
553
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.000
So we use it in a kind of space. But
554
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just admitting that alone people, you know, every every time
555
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you say thank you you, that's a bottle of water. Right,
556
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.720
So the assumption that we're just going to destroy the
557
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:48.599
planet will again, who is destroying this planet?
558
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.880
Yeah, we're blaming each other instead of blaming these companies.
559
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You know, I just feel like it's yet and again
560
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another iteration of turning people against each other instead of
561
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turning the focus need to go to me.
562
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:05.000
This is almost like a magnified version of the straw thing, right, Yes,
563
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where like a few years ago, like you know, straws
564
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were everywhere and then they're like, oh, they're like, you know,
565
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actually contributing so much to pollution. Yeah, so like every
566
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like straws went away and that's paper straws everywhere.
567
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But they're back again, and.
568
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They're back again sort of. I don't know, thank you, President, I.
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Guess anyway, Sorry, disgusting, I'm kidding. I've never been proer
570
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against straw but yes.
571
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No, exactly, but exactly. But instead of blaming, instead of
572
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blaming companies, right, instead of saying, like Coca Cola or
573
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Nestle are doing so much damage to the water table,
574
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or like almond farmers or you know, not farmers in
575
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California that like avocado. Yeah, instead of blaming those industries,
576
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we're looking at each other and being like you're using straws,
577
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you fucking monster, Like how dare you? Like it's your
578
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reason that all the turtles are.
579
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Down, every famous person is flying private yeah, every.
580
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You know, like we have so much anger for ourselves,
581
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like oh, it's my fault that climate change is happening,
582
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.079
or like it's your fault because you're driving your car
583
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.680
too much, or something like we're not blaming the system
584
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.640
that put us in this position to make impossible choices.
585
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:10.359
This is like the good place, right you watch the
586
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.640
Good Place? Yes, I loved the good Or it's this
587
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idea that like there is no choice, like you cannot
588
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make an ethical choice in this system.
589
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.200
No, you know, and there's no ethic and it's not
590
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.079
our fault. I think we need to look at each
591
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other in the face and say understand that, helt I
592
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.200
understand that. I think about that, like this is happening.
593
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.720
It's their fault. Let's get up, let's get them all.
594
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.640
California did this recently, right, like this whole like you,
595
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.640
if you buy any car, it has to be EV
596
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or EV hybrid, but it has to be EV focused. Right,
597
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.799
so all new cars. You can own a car, buy
598
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.279
a used car because of cars, you know whatever, But
599
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.599
if you buy any new car, the only new cars
600
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.240
allowed to be sold in California are this. Yeah, okay,
601
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:56.640
that sounds great. But every electrical grid was built in
602
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whatever you know, eighteen I don't know, nineteen something, nineteen sixties,
603
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.880
thank you, it was even an electrical grid, My guess
604
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would be Eisenhower to be really, I mean it was
605
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probably there were some like footprints of it, but I
606
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.160
think Eisenhemer is the one that really rich brought that.
607
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And you know how he did it. He tacked the rich.
608
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It's seventy percent, thank you, And.
609
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.440
We could do the same thing and probably upgrade our
610
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electrical grid to be able to actually make this change.
611
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But the reality is is that in a few years
612
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.759
California's grid will crash or whatever's going to happen. They
613
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.680
already have issues, right and then anyways, it's just nobody thought,
614
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.519
nobody thinks ahead. They just immediately want to put the
615
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.240
blame on the consumer. So because that's what they're doing, right,
616
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:46.240
They're forcing a consumer to buy something basically saying whatever
617
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.359
it is. And I love the direction that that is.
618
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.200
I understand the heart of it, but again it's not
619
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talking about the fact.
620
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That it's a bigger picture of all that the grid
621
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.440
can't sustain it.
622
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.599
Yes, and they're already thinking of the big picture.
623
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.599
They're already having brownouts like sometimes because they can't ask
624
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.480
energy absolutely. Yeah, did you okay, did you see this
625
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:09.200
that I read this like headline recently that China produced
626
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.640
more green energy in one year than the US has
627
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.559
in its entire like since they started trying, you know.
628
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.319
And it's just like, I mean, like, how are we
629
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.039
so behind communism?
630
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.119
Yeah? Honestly, Like yeah, like you can get everybody on board,
631
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.759
like we're all gonna do the fucking same thing. You know,
632
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.759
you have to or else you have to or jailor.
633
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:32.759
But like, yeah, I don't know.
634
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.839
Like it's just so hard to get everybody being I mean,
635
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.839
and it's because I think rich people in this country
636
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.279
are so afraid of losing just like a little bit
637
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.720
of their wealth, of their wealth to make things better
638
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:43.640
for the rest of us.
639
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.359
Greed and power that like we're fucked well And and
640
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.599
let's take this into account because it's a capitalist to society.
641
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.599
You guys didn't know this, but when we said on
642
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.119
the beginning of this podcast we were going to talk
643
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.119
about AI, we were actually just talking about becoming a
644
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:02.039
weird like anti capitalist episode. Oh here we are. We'll
645
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.680
get back to it. But this is, honestly, this is what. Yes,
646
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.079
I think, Like, this is it.
647
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.440
I think AI, if we lived in a better system
648
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.519
that like didn't suck it just at its core, it
649
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.640
would be fine. Absolutely would be a lot less feisty
650
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.079
about it. Yes, and as a whole, not just jeninin.
651
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.519
Yes. And the other thing I have to say is
652
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.039
like we almost like, if I really come down to it,
653
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.200
it's not even anger towards the billionaires, it's anger towards
654
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.279
the system. Of capitalism, because capitalism is built so that
655
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.200
billionaires can eventually exist. This is the society that we
656
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.720
built upon has never survived more than two hundred, two
657
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.359
hundred and fifty years. Like, there's never been a surviving
658
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:49.200
capitalist society past that, right, and this is why, Right,
659
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.960
eventually the greed and the need for more money, it's
660
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.599
going to countialize. It's going to cannibalize itself. And instead
661
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:01.720
of just saying, let's keep some like controls around what
662
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.759
capitalism means, like like it was in the nineteen sixties,
663
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.000
thank you, when we had all of this like system
664
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:13.119
put into place with seventy percent tax on the ridge, Like,
665
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.279
instead of doing that, which would be terrible, they just
666
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.480
continue to take and take and take from the middle
667
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.519
and low class. And that eventually that middle and low
668
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.400
class has to at some point either die of starvation
669
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.400
and not getting healthcare and all of the other things,
670
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.240
or turn on them. Right, So, but I think, honestly,
671
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:37.400
like it's eating itself.
672
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.200
Yeah, I read this book recently and it kind of
673
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.839
like changed my perspective on Like tell me it was
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a never let.
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Me go remind me after two so I can put
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this on my reading like oh.
677
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Im gonna say, I'm gonna say his name wrong, Kazuo.
678
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.480
Just say never let me go, yeah, the book, never
679
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.279
let me go to the book. She's searching online.
680
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.400
Everyone yea Kazuo ishi guru.
681
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.200
Oh okay, wrong, I'm sorry, but anyway, it's actually I
682
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.319
thought that sounded good, but I guess, like then we're
683
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.079
both wrong. Yeah, we could both be wrong. Sorry, we're trying.
684
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.200
Yeah, but this is the book. There's like a movie
685
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.960
with Kerry Mully and that came out years ago. It
686
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.119
was the one where they're all clones that are used
687
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.319
for organ donation. I remember this movie coming out, and
688
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.319
there's a lot of clones, right, and when this book
689
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.160
came out, and like when every time there's a discussion
690
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:26.680
about this book, they always ask like, oh, I don't
691
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:28.279
understand there's so many clones, Like why didn't they just
692
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.359
up rise and like go against the school, because like
693
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.519
they the the thing about this book is the clones
694
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.759
know that they are clones and are being used for
695
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.319
organ donation, and that by their time they hit thirty,
696
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.640
they will most likely be on their way to death
697
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.000
because they're of their organ lost total organ loss, and
698
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.599
they just sort of exist accept it and like, yeah,
699
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.519
there's even this idea that they like hook them up
700
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to life support and just keep them going, to keep
701
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.680
on taking more things until they're just stripped. Bears Jesus,
702
00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:01.160
you know, it's very fucked. No, it's he Garfield. That's
703
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.319
the island you're thinking of, which is like that was
704
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.720
what it works out for the clones. This one does
705
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:06.319
not work out for the.
706
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Clonessting, But we're in some space where it's one or
707
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:11.079
the other, right, but there.
708
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Every time this book comes up, people are like, why
709
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.720
didn't they rebel? Like why didn't they just like hook
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00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.440
up right now? And like the author he's always said like, well,
711
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.920
if you look around, society's like, people don't rebel. People
712
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.039
just keep going in really horrible situations. And like there's
713
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:28.839
sort of this talk sometimes of like oh, we gotta
714
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.240
like do something something about it, but people don't. Sorry, guys,
715
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JD's mowing.
716
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I don't know if you can hear that. I can, well,
717
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I don't know if they can. That's so funny, and
718
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.119
he's getting in my I was like, oh, fine, JD,
719
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.200
I got you can do yard work podcasting.
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Yeah, in the backyard.
721
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.319
He's like your podcast isn't that cool? I see how
722
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.720
it is? No, no offense, You're fine.
723
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.960
Yeah, I'm gonna just vote for a second. I'm gonna
724
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:58.119
text you go away.
725
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.359
Go away, bitch. No. I think it's true though, And
726
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.519
this is and this they the brilliance of our society
727
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.639
is that they built us one hundred percent on this
728
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.840
like place where they can easily get the masses to
729
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.800
in fight and anything. All of it, everything that we
730
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.440
fight against the other side for is all making rich
731
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.239
people richer. Like that's what's so crazy.
732
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.519
Yeah, but then it's yeah, there is this level, like
733
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.440
you think we would be suffering enough or we would
734
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.039
rise against it now, but we will probably not.
735
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.360
No, No, like it's you know it, I mean we
736
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.440
haven't so far, how this year's been. Yeah, you know,
737
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:37.880
we haven't done anything yet, so we.
738
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.159
Can accept a lot of fucking agony before we'll do
739
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.599
anything about it. And even then, you know so, I
740
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.920
mean and fucking Russia.
741
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.159
I hate to say it, man. Yeah. So anyways, like
742
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.800
very I would recommend it as like a book about sounds,
743
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:57.199
you run them up sounds like I'm going to be
744
00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:58.400
really sad afterwards.
745
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.800
It's yeah, it really broke my heart. But like in
746
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.119
a good book way, you know what I mean?
747
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great the way a book
748
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.199
only a book can do. Yeah yeah. But I love reading,
749
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.280
me too, pro reading, It's fundamental. I realized that sometimes
750
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.800
I sound like an idiot, but I do like to read.
751
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:15.400
Jen's very literate.
752
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:15.880
Everyone.
753
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:18.679
Do you know how many times this week I was
754
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:23.199
traveling with like people in top positions at my company,
755
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.760
not like C. C Sweet but like right under it,
756
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.320
and people that like meet with C Sweet every week, right,
757
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.280
And you know how many times I had to be like,
758
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.400
what's the word for this? And they'd be like, uh, computer,
759
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.760
you know, like whatever, It's like something really simple. But
760
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.960
I just kept being like, I swear to God, I'm
761
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:48.320
in a master's program. And then I'd be like, I
762
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.800
have a trajectory in my career, like I have goals,
763
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.280
I want to be something. I have many degrees. I
764
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.840
was like, and I kept I was like, I could
765
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:03.599
not like functional speak, and that is my number one
766
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.840
issue in life. No, it's very true, though, like I
767
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.559
cannot speak at a level of words.
768
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.519
Yeah, I wish I feel the same way. I wish
769
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.639
I was more what's the word for it?
770
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.800
Smart talking? Yeah, what's that where you like elocutional Yeah,
771
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.000
what's crazy is that I know a lot of big words,
772
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.119
and I can understand very complicated speech, but I cannot
773
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.320
deliver it, and I especially can't deliver it when somebody
774
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.960
wants me to, Like when I think there's pressure on
775
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.639
me too, I forget words, I lose words, I become dumber.
776
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.880
But it's really it is really funny. And I in
777
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.559
my class we just okay, well we'll talk about it later. Yeah,
778
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.440
there's a fog index about. You can put a speech
779
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.679
in to this like the translate or like the transcript
780
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.920
of a speech in and it'll tell you at what
781
00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.000
grade level that is. So like I did a common
782
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.159
Mala Harris versus a Trump to see what grade level.
783
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.920
And the idea is, like the reason the most powerful
784
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:11.440
speeches have ended with people like passionate and wanting to
785
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.960
uprise or wanting to go down this path and wanting
786
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.920
whatever it might be right is because it speaks to
787
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.119
all people. So the idea is, the dumber the speech,
788
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.760
the better, right, the lower the fog indecks, the better,
789
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.679
the higher it is. Now the fog indecks doesn't actually
790
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:31.039
have that opinion. It is just a tool. But the
791
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.400
argument we had this last week was about that, like
792
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.119
is it better to speak in a higher educational level
793
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.599
or is it better to speak in a more direct simple,
794
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:49.679
simple concepts, shorter words. Anyways, So I'm winning so far
795
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.519
because I because the way I talk is real dumb.
796
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.119
I was speaking of the tim you speak the better.
797
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.280
Anyways, AI back, So yeah, what were we sorrying?
798
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.119
Oh yeah, I think what's the point though, is like
799
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.639
this is just another space where I feel like we
800
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.599
AI is causing infighting and it's not focused in the
801
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.639
right direction. We you know, and we have people that
802
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.840
are just trying to actually create something truly sentient without
803
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.599
thinking of any of the consequences because they don't care.
804
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.480
Yeah, this is the one thing that's very scary to
805
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.440
me is recently, I don't know if you saw this,
806
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.880
but some whistleblowers came out saying that it doesn't have
807
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.960
a kill switch basically, like it can they tell it
808
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.239
to like they give the prompt of, like, solve this problem,
809
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.960
and if you get to this point, you need to
810
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.360
turn yourself off, and then it won't They won't do
811
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.800
it because it cares more about solving the problem than
812
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.800
like the and it knows that I can solve this
813
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:49.280
problem better if I never shut down.
814
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.480
Yeah, so it can think like that can just keep going.
815
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.559
That's its ethics, you know what I mean. It's ethics
816
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:55.960
is to like complete the thing that you've started it on,
817
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.480
not to like curtail itself in any way.
818
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.159
Yeah, so it doesn't hold itself back. There was also
819
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.400
that guy. It was a controlled space where it was
820
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.639
fed false information, but it's just a blackmail uh huh,
821
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.199
where he was like turn yourself off, and it literally
822
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.400
like threatened to tell his wife about an affair that
823
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.400
he had not had, that they never had, that they
824
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.679
had just had it. Yeah, and it threatened that so
825
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.679
that it wouldn't be shut down. So like it's already
826
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.840
getting to the space where it's I don't know if
827
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:31.480
it's sentient necessarily, but it's putting its own life above
828
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.639
our will. Yeah.
829
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:35.840
And like life is like a loose word because it's
830
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.880
not even life. But whatever it is, well, it's basically
831
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.800
a logic machine. Like right now, it's a fancy calculator exact.
832
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.880
You know, eventually it's going to get to the point
833
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:48.639
where he can make like different like internalized choices not
834
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.639
based on like a reward system.
835
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.480
And that's when it'll become a real therapist, I guess.
836
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.360
So yeah, yeah, I was. I'm taking a class. I'm
837
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.119
trying to like get certified as like an AI practitioner,
838
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.199
just like the worthing. And one of the things I
839
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:05.920
saw was like just like how they train it to
840
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.159
like pass get through a maze. And the way they
841
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.440
do that is, so you have a grid system and
842
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.400
you know it like a maze. You have like the lines.
843
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.920
So each of those lines in this made this maze
844
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.519
system is like negative ten, so it hits that hit
845
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.159
gets native ten and then every other space is negative one,
846
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.559
and then getting out of the maze is plus one hundred.
847
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.599
So that's the reward system, right. The thing is to
848
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:27.840
get the most points by the end of it, and
849
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.360
it learns pretty quickly to like never get negative ten,
850
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.159
always like get negative one until you get a hundred,
851
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.639
you know, so wow, and you can like and like
852
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.480
it just goes through over and over until it can
853
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:41.880
go through a maze really quickly.
854
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.559
So I love that. This is the side of AI
855
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.719
that I like. My the class I took, because it
856
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.320
was also business intelligence and analytics, there was so many
857
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.119
like formulas and math and the zero ones of it
858
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:04.519
all and the one zeros that was hard, Like I
859
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.559
that's where my mind does not connect to. But when
860
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:11.679
it comes to like the practice, like the training and
861
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.079
the understanding of how it's thinking and where it's I'm
862
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.519
fascinated by that. Yeah.
863
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.519
And that it's being trained on a reward system. Yeah,
864
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:20.599
that's what's very interesting to me because like a dog,
865
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000
Like a dog, you're we're pavloaving it.
866
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:27.480
We're paddle, we're training. I like we train our dog. Yeah,
867
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:29.880
Jesus Christ. Yeah.
868
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:36.760
So yeah, And I just like think that eventually we're
869
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.119
going to get I mean like they're predicting in the
870
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.079
next two years that will hit this like critical point
871
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.079
where it's going to be thinking. And I think if
872
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.559
we get to this point in two like I think
873
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.559
it's two years, I think twenty twenty seven, I think
874
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.400
that's I think I also kind of think it because
875
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.880
Bo Burnam Loki predicted it in twenty twenty and Bo
876
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.679
Burnham is always correct. I've never known him to be wrong.
877
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.079
I love him is the He's the nostrodavis almosto the
878
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.039
most fraud the postmas of our.
879
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:04.599
Our love comes up again.
880
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.639
But yeah, so like my mind kind of is ledged
881
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.719
done to this number like this twenty twenty seven. But
882
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.599
I think if we don't get a handle on it
883
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:14.800
quickly twenty thirty, we're dead.
884
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:15.199
That's it.
885
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.199
I think, like we're not getting a handle on We're
886
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:18.960
not getting a handle on it.
887
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.559
We aren't getting a handle on like climate change. Yeah,
888
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.119
our entire system is built to not actually care about
889
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.119
anything other than money. Yeah, so there is no way
890
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.119
we have a no way.
891
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.360
The administration right now is built on money, like only
892
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.840
caring about success only.
893
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.400
No matter what. AI when it becomes like the sentient
894
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:45.920
version in two years, it will kill us, that's what
895
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:46.320
you think.
896
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.880
Yeah, not kill us. I don't know if it's a
897
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.960
kill us outright. I think it's like going to get
898
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.559
to the point. It's going to get to that critical
899
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.119
point where there is no return.
900
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.480
Yeah, like how it uses the water and like how
901
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.239
it like how it and like how directly our system
902
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.039
and how we are able to Oh my god, JD,
903
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.360
he's back. Yeah, he's he It's almost as though he
904
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.079
got your text and came back on purpose.
905
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:10.159
I'm gonna try calling him.
906
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:17.559
You're he's so uh Oh he's going to answer. Oh
907
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.480
my god, I love this on the pod. Hey JD,
908
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.159
you're on the pod.
909
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.679
Yeah, Hello, hey JD, you're on the pod. Could you
910
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.360
please we'd whack somewhere else.
911
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.800
I'm almost done for a year. I finish this no
912
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.880
kiscuber recording and it's very loud.
913
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.920
Oh you'll okay, if you cut it out, then keep
914
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:49.159
the we'd walk away. Well, I can do the other side,
915
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.599
but I mean i'll have to get back here.
916
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.000
Actually, how long do you think you'll be.
917
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.639
Oh, we'll be going like fifty minutes, so not too
918
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.760
much longer. Maybe ten to fifteen, yeah, ten fifteen.
919
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.280
How how if he's almost done, we can pause.
920
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.880
We'll just take a pause here, but you have to
921
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.480
edit it out, all right.
922
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:16.039
Okay, okay, love you. I love you too. I like
923
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:17.320
that you can't hear me, man.
924
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.239
Yeah, but I can't unspeaker.
925
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:19.480
He mind.
926
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:22.199
I like that.
927
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.039
We'll just take a pause, okay and pause. We're taking
928
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:25.440
a break.
929
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:29.119
Yeah, yeah, he seems like he left. Okay, I think
930
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.360
he's gone. All right, and we're back from Jad's little
931
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:33.119
heatack break.
932
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.559
Hey, we're back, Jad. Thanks for cutting all that conversation,
933
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.559
the personal conversation about my husband's.
934
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.559
We talked about each other's Social Security numbers over our.
935
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:49.079
Addresses and our phone numbers, and name first dogs and
936
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.400
our first dogs. Never have that. It's where we grew up.
937
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.159
Chatgibt will never have it.
938
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.079
Yeah, I mean it's interesting because I mean I don't
939
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:00.360
know why I just thought of this really suddenly. But
940
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.440
you've talked about this podcast Doozy right where it like
941
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.000
it sort of ate all the other podcasts that ever
942
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.920
existed and then created a podcast and optimal created an
943
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.039
optimal version. I don't know, but like, I don't know,
944
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:12.920
like do you feel weird about it that, like it
945
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.280
probably took some of our stuff that was out there.
946
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.079
I think it's all. Yeah, to be honest, it didn't
947
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.719
make the perfect podcast, which is why it's so fascinating
948
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.480
podcast because the perfect anything has humanity inside of it.
949
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:29.920
And I really mean that this is not just me
950
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.119
being like humans make art, but it's real because when
951
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.400
you're an amalgamation of everything, then whatever you're putting out
952
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:37.880
is boring.
953
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.320
Yeah, you have no perspective.
954
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.400
So here's a great example. We call things basic because
955
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.239
everyone loves it, right, it's basic. Everyone loves it for
956
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.199
a reason because it's good, but is it, like, is
957
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.480
it really challenging you? Is it really bringing something new
958
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.679
into your mind? It just is easy, right, So like
959
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.159
music that's basic is simple. It's easy. It's easy to digest.
960
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.880
So you're not challenging yourself to to get like understand
961
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.639
more complicated music, right, You're just listening to music for
962
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:11.159
the ease, for something fun to digest. Right, So that's fine.
963
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:16.119
But that's what AI creates. It creates the like the
964
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.000
mid line of everything, so it's easy to digest.
965
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:21.880
Yeah, what is it? I've heard it described as the
966
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:23.480
initification of everything?
967
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.440
Yes, right? Whereas what a big words? Right?
968
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.880
I love that as an essay word.
969
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.360
You are so impressive, Thank you so much. A Harvard
970
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:34.519
Oh my god.
971
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:39.239
But yeah, I really resonate with that idea of AI,
972
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.519
just like, yeah, it can do all the things, but
973
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.159
it does them a little bit worse than maybe somebody
974
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:45.440
who was good at that thing would have been.
975
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.000
Right, absolutely, and it's just a little bit and it'll
976
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.079
get better. It'll get better.
977
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.360
And this is to get better.
978
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.320
You know what's crazy to me? Okay, I was just
979
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.119
thinking about this in the shower. Yes, everyone, I sometimes
980
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.440
get naked in shower to think too. I think in
981
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.480
the shower it's like you a multi fast And I
982
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.239
was in the shower the other day and I was
983
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.400
just thinking about how crazy it is, like all the
984
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.440
the fake movies that it's making with people's faces and
985
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:11.599
nobody can tell what's real, and.
986
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.119
Fake news things, which are very spooky to me. They're
987
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:14.840
very spooky.
988
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.320
But I think that this ends in a very cool place,
989
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.199
and that is that we can't trust anything that is
990
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:27.719
technology anymore. Yeah, and we get back to like actual stage,
991
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.159
we get back to art being created on stage.
992
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.599
I love this as like a theory where like in
993
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:37.840
a pushback against fake AI ship, we're like, all right, let's.
994
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.800
Like let's go to political routes, real people, let's go
995
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.400
to let's go to play, let's go you can't up right,
996
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.119
And then we start loving the mess ups and we
997
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.119
start loving the complicated the humanity that the humanity.
998
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.599
We don't trust that it's humanity unless we can really
999
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:53.840
see it.
1000
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.480
With that, we're gonna start being thirsty for it in
1001
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.239
like in person. Yes, I want to see the flaws.
1002
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.360
And it's also going to get us back to where
1003
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.559
we aren't pumping ourselves full of chemicals to all look
1004
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.920
the same and we aren't like we become human again.
1005
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.840
Yeah, like we're going to reject this in search of
1006
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:10.159
the right.
1007
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.480
It has to happen, right at some point, I wonder,
1008
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.559
I mean I think, I mean it's happening for me
1009
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:15.079
right now.
1010
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.800
Yes, I think that will definitely, definitely happen to a percentage.
1011
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.960
I am curious to see if that'll be a total
1012
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.440
rejection as a society or if it's going to become
1013
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:25.639
like uncool.
1014
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.800
Right, right, So it's just us as people that are
1015
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:28.840
like ew, that's born.
1016
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:29.480
That's cringe.
1017
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.400
But like when it comes to like political stuff, you
1018
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.840
can't we already can't trust what we're seeing, right, and
1019
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.559
like are the masses going to at some point be
1020
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.119
like okay, I can only trust it if I see
1021
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.480
it in person. And then like it's going to get
1022
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.039
back to like remember and not remember, but like early
1023
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.880
America where like I do remember that politics. Politics were
1024
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:56.039
like the newspaper, which is created by humans seen like this,
1025
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.119
you know where it's like the only the only reason
1026
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.239
I believe this is because I saw Abraham Lincoln speak
1027
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.039
in my town, right like, and then the people like
1028
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.400
powerful back in my day back in my day when
1029
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:09.559
I saw how old.
1030
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.760
Issue impossible to say.
1031
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.880
What's great about this? As I'm older than you, like
1032
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:18.239
by like a month.
1033
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.480
It's barely but.
1034
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.920
It's anyways, I think that that could be like that
1035
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.039
next step, which I think is beautiful. I think and
1036
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.800
as a stage person who like came up as a
1037
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:37.039
fspion or whatever we're we like, it's like, yes, people
1038
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.039
will start to appreciate the arts and like the ship
1039
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:44.320
that like we grew up in that's been starved to
1040
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.960
death for the last like fifty years.
1041
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.280
I can't tell you this is the most positive that
1042
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.119
I've felt about AI ever. I really hope that this
1043
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.039
is a this is correct, and I really want to
1044
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.400
push for this future where we're like anything that's not
1045
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.920
made by people's kind of it can but like trying,
1046
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.480
really trying and throwing yourself at something and maybe not
1047
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:05.039
being one hundred percent good.
1048
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.039
At it, that's like that's going to be beauty powerful. Yeah,
1049
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.280
And I think there's a Okay, so there's a reason
1050
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:14.159
why kids are loving cringe so much too. They love cringe, yeah,
1051
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.199
and they love it because it's bad. Yeah, because AI
1052
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.880
doesn't create things that are bad.
1053
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:20.880
I saw a TikTok. That made me feel kind of
1054
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.559
like nostalgic for the club.
1055
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:24.400
Oh my god, the club.
1056
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.880
But it was like an over thirty DJ night, so
1057
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.239
they were all like dancing and everything.
1058
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.840
It's in the middle of the day, I know.
1059
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.599
I think it was probably like at eight o'clock or so.
1060
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.679
It was like an earlier thing. But like somebody younger
1061
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.079
was posting like this, like sucks because like gen Z
1062
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.920
never goes, and just like, is okay looking dumb and
1063
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:41.760
dancing like this?
1064
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:48.239
Yes, you know they're so they think that they they're recorded. Ye, okay,
1065
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.159
so this is everything right. They're obsessed with cringe because
1066
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.679
it's what they feel like they can't be. And in
1067
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.119
the long run, I feel like being cringe is like
1068
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.519
the most beautiful thing you can be as a human. Yeah,
1069
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.639
because you're just all out yourself. Yeah.
1070
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:02.400
I always like try to think about this where it's
1071
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.719
if I feel that sort of like recoiling feeling when
1072
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.199
you feel like.
1073
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:07.639
You've been going to feel all the time.
1074
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.159
I'm always like, okay, it gets more cringe to kill
1075
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.679
the part of you that cringes instead of the part
1076
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:13.880
of you that that's cringe.
1077
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.760
Yes, yes, because the part of you that cringes is
1078
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.480
the part that wants to be a I that's a fascist.
1079
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:24.800
That's the fascist. The fascist I go of fascism. But
1080
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.199
it's super true. Like I think like being an open
1081
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:32.000
and honest person and being all of yourself is everything
1082
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.599
that it is to be human. And again I think
1083
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.360
that in the next ten years, people are going to
1084
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:41.039
be so hungry for human Like what does it mean
1085
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:42.320
to be human to.
1086
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.719
Like get wrinkly, get unpuffed?
1087
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.199
Guess people will I mean whatever to the others. Yeah,
1088
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.800
those of us that are good people right now to
1089
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.880
stop believing this ship that you see online and to
1090
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.480
start like being in your communities. Yeah, being face to
1091
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.159
face with people.
1092
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:02.239
Do live theater.
1093
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:07.960
Do live theater. Actually, truly, like seeing things in person
1094
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.960
is so much more exciting. It is like it's a
1095
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.079
it is so beautiful.
1096
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.199
Yeah, oh man, Like Jenna and I just went to
1097
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:15.960
a Foxy Shazam.
1098
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.079
Show which like shout out Foxy.
1099
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:20.239
Oh my god. It was at the and it was
1100
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.639
at me here in Denver. It was maybe the coolest
1101
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:23.639
concert I've ever been to.
1102
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:24.440
It was so much fun.
1103
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.480
The worst openers ever, terrible, pretty no offense, y'all. Sorry,
1104
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:29.920
it was terrible. They're definitely listening.
1105
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.920
Yeah, I'm not into any of the openers or any
1106
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.039
of the weirdest, but yeah, it was so good.
1107
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.199
And it was like on a Thursday, which I don't
1108
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:39.760
usually go out, but I'm like, I want to go
1109
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:41.039
to shows like this all the time.
1110
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:43.239
And what's crazy is like we were we had one
1111
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.000
or two drinks, like we weren't getting sucked up because
1112
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.679
we're old. Yeah, and like people are always like, oh,
1113
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.199
I don't want to drink, so I don't want to
1114
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.960
go out, and it's like no, like when you go
1115
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.400
to something amazing that is it just takes your breath
1116
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.840
away and it's your like adrenaline. Yeah, the adrenaline is
1117
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.880
like it's they are everything, and if you listen to
1118
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.760
them on Spotify, it's not the goddamn same. Yeah. Also
1119
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.079
it's not it's not you know.
1120
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:10.559
There were so many songs that I was like trying
1121
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.760
to write down and be like, oh, like I'm trying
1122
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:13.880
to like I want to like listen to all these
1123
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.760
there's only one that really like hit me the same
1124
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.000
that it did in the concert, and I was killing it, yes,
1125
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.400
but like everything else so good, like in the moment, yes,
1126
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:22.800
but not.
1127
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.639
I haven't listened that much. We'll talk offline about it,
1128
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:28.039
but yeah, but I think it's like, yeah, I listened
1129
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.360
to Elli stuff from like ten years ago when they
1130
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.880
were a band, when I was like obsessed with them,
1131
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.159
and like I love that shit because it's nostalgic. But
1132
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:37.800
after that show, I was listening to the new stuff
1133
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.719
and I was like, not the same as the new
1134
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.280
stuff live.
1135
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:41.840
But yeah, like going to a shows like that, I
1136
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.039
think it's like really and like some of them, like
1137
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.880
they're not that expensive. Like if you depending, like we're
1138
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.760
going to a show murdered by Death and yeah, August,
1139
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.719
I don't think that's August and October. I'm going in August.
1140
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.039
I don't have October ticket only.
1141
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.000
Should get you au because I was lame and crating
1142
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.679
to get you those two. You're gonna come to both,
1143
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.360
You're gonna steal tickets, so it's gonna happen.
1144
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:00.000
Figure it out.
1145
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:00.480
Figure it out.
1146
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.880
But yeah, like I'm really excited about that because it's like, yeah,
1147
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.960
and it wasn't that expensive. It was like thirty bucks
1148
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:06.719
for like a ticket, but yeah.
1149
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.960
Thirty thirty five bucks. Like this is the other thing.
1150
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:10.880
Like nowadays, I feel like the only people, like the
1151
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.280
only time people go to see music is one day
1152
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.000
and it's like yeah, and I'm like, how about you
1153
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.920
stop that, take that eight hundred dollars and break it
1154
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.079
into a bunch of amazing. I'm not telling you to
1155
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.039
go see your local like whatever band. I mean you
1156
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:28.960
should do that too, but it's not going to be
1157
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.079
quite as good. Yeah, but like go to the mid
1158
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.639
levels like those yeah, like Jesus Christ, find your like
1159
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.800
the music that you love on Spotify. Yeah, that's playing
1160
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.599
at like Washington's in Greeley or in for Collins, or
1161
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.519
it's playing at the Mission Ballroom in Denver, or playing
1162
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.760
at like those mid level like larger venues like get
1163
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.079
into the Midnight. Now that's a big band, that's a
1164
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.079
very well known band, or even like it's not fucking Beyonce,
1165
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:57.119
so you're not going to go.
1166
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:58.880
Yeah, we went to a bar and it was like
1167
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.480
they're having like a student showcase. Is that Priceman chocolate?
1168
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.199
And like half of this the stuff was kind of
1169
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:06.559
you but then you get the one that is so
1170
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.400
good and then there were like a couple interspers that
1171
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:09.920
were like fun to watch that it was like we
1172
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.840
didn't I didn't drink it all that night. Yeah, so
1173
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.840
it was just like really because I was I think
1174
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.960
I think I did think so actually Eric's drink ticket
1175
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.880
and I was like we were like not drinking feeling it.
1176
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.000
I think, yeah, so that's unheard of for me. I
1177
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:25.360
mean all right, but it was like so much.
1178
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.360
Fun, because so good, and I think like, yeah, so
1179
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.320
go like low pressure. I'm sorry, I like really glommed
1180
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:31.239
onto this idea of like no.
1181
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.159
So live. I think that this is our like a
1182
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:41.039
this is where this is like the epitome of where
1183
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:42.679
an AI conversation should end.
1184
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.079
Okay, here's what I want to say instead of like
1185
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.119
yelling at people about the water content online, but you
1186
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:50.039
have people aren't.
1187
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.280
Going to listen. If you have that inner yelling people.
1188
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.480
And you swallow it for the moment, go buy a
1189
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:56.840
ticket to a local show and just go outside.
1190
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.639
Come see my band, Touch Bread, Go Seep gents band.
1191
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.800
What are you guys by the show to pitch? Actually
1192
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.239
we do, but I don't. They aren't in Denver. Well
1193
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.360
we do. July twenty first, we're going to be up
1194
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:12.440
outside of four Collins at I don't remember the name
1195
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.400
of it. I wasn't ready to pitch. Just look up,
1196
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.760
Graveyard choir like, there you go. Go look us up.
1197
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.079
Let's go, and we're going to play it Skylark and
1198
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.320
Denver on August eighth. Okay, yeah, that's our first Denver show.
1199
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:26.159
We're definitely beat it.
1200
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.760
If you want to meet me, fans, yeah, if you
1201
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:29.039
want to.
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Meet Mallory and I, we're going to be at that show.
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You can meet us in human form, like if you're
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a big fan, this is your moment and for.
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Five dollars you may touch us.
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For ten dollars, I will sign your boobies. Yeah, I'll
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do it for free. Bidding war. I love this so much,
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but yeah, go see live things like get back to community.
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I feel like this has been my thing all year anyways,
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and I have to say, okay, we're going to end
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this now.
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But and I like Indians on this positive press.
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Oh good, because I also feel I've been feeling this
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year like overwhelmed by social stuff and human because it
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feels like everyone's coming out of the woodwork subtly, like
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maybe subconsciously we're all feeling that because I have people
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I haven't seen in four years reaching out like hey,
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i'd love to catch up, let's get together. Like I've
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been seeing people, I've been setting things aside and getting
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back into friendship with people I haven't seen in years,
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and it's so beautiful, Like it's so much fun, and
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it's I just feel like this is already happening. Yeah,
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people just haven't put a name to it. They haven't
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called it out.
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Yeah, And I think this is like I think we
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should reject Peter Thiel's techno, like crasse, technocratic, what do
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you call it, whatever, technocratic?
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I love that. I don't know what that is, but
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I love let's reject the technocratic. He escape, Yeah, get
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out of it, you know. Yeah, Like there's nothing more
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like punk rock than to get off of your computers. Yeah.
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If you, like me, feel despair, just go outside. Yeah, show,
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go to a show, show the world's the world's still
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good out there.
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I love us. I want to give a quick shout
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out to my coworkers that listen to this podcast, because
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I realized less time I saw them in person they
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I have a couple of coworkers that have been listening,
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so like, here's to you, babes. Thanks for listening. Thanks
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for listening, babe, especially when I talked shit about corporate America. Yeah,
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but I have great co workers, I really do, and
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a great, great team that works for me, and like
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I do love that. It's just corporate America. What are
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you going to do. I just wanted to end with that.
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I wanted to give a quick love, quick love to Pam. Yeah,
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here's looking at you, girl, Pam, and thanks for listening.
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And get the hell out there, y'all and go to
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see something in person. Guys making you sad, go outside, okay, everywhere,
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call a friend and have a drink in person. It
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hasn't plagiarized the sky yet. No, No, I mean it's like,
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in the long run, we're not stopping it. The point
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is not necessarily that. Maybe maybe the point is more.
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Like, embrace your human embrace your humanity in the face
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of it. Yeah, I said that first, you just copied. No,
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I'm like, you're postulating it. I was speaking it out
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loud as you were saying it, like taking it in. Yeah,
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I'm a vocal absorber.
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That was good.
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You like exclamation pointed it.
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That was so good. I think we should make T
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shirts that say that, Mallary And then at the bottom
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of it, it's just be like Mallory said it the
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first Mallory said it. Immediately after Jen copied Mallory, I
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would know she gave I totally copy her.
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She gave it some emphassis empasses.
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Jen added the exclamation point. We just have that at
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the bottom of this quote me exclamation point.
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That was great, that was beautiful.
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I will always add an exclamation point to you.
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Babe, always add an exclamation point to you. You said
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that one first love, and.
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Now I went backwards. All right, thanks for listening, everybody.
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I have a little cheers.
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Oh yeah, cheers and do what you gotta do, you know, cheer, Yeah,
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think tink, I have.
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Like, yeah, my glass, my glass is empty, and it's
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bad luck to cheers with an empty glass. So I'm
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just gonna yeah, I'm er gonna go and I do yeah,
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and I guess we do. Yeah, No, we don't do.
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I forgot cheers and go see somebody in person, and
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don't forget to pay your parking tickets.
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By Let's get drunk and talk about your wedding is
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a left hand, Right Brain production produced by J. D.
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Lopez