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Warning. The following program may contain material not be suitable
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for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
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The borders of space and time have opened once again,
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and transmitting from the mountains of West Virginia, it's time
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once again for Let's find Out with Diego. The universe
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is waiting for you. Wake up and remember.
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On this episode of Let's find Out. Our guest is
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an Atlanta based storyteller who blames the every day with
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the eerie. This inspiration can come from the creeping tear
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behind perfect picket fences to the dark history hidden in
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old stone walls. He has been recently featured in Bold
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Journey magazine. He's ready to terrify you with tales of
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haunted dolls, haunted objects, and diabolical games. All this plus more,
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Please welcome our new friend and first time guest, Award
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winning author DC Phillips, DC, my friend, Welcome to Let's
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find Out.
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Thank you so much, Diego. I'm glad to be here
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and I got chilled with that introduction. I feel like
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I need that introduction more often, you know, just regular
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phone calls during the week.
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No, that's confidence boost.
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I'll be your hype man. What is that movie. Now
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it comes to mind.
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It was.
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Back in the medieval times. It had Heath Ledger ad it.
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Oh gosh, A Night's Tale? Was that?
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It a Night's Tale?
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Yeah?
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And that could be your hype.
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Man.
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I like it. I approve this is good. Already got
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something good in the works here.
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Oh perfect. We'll talk offline about it, man, I think
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I got a new part time job. Now. Now I
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first met you, I'll say not long ago, but we
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were just talking about offline about three months ago, almost
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four months ago at Fright Reads in Maryland. What a
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great event that was. Harry put on something spectacular. I
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didn't know it was going to be this big, and
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I went to your table one of the first people
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I talked to you. You were so nice to me. We
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had a great conversation and I was originally going to
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have you on Bonus over Drive Wednesday, because normally I
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save Bonus over Drive for different subjects. But as we
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got talked and you're like, well, you know, I do
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have experience of paranormal and investigations and experiences, I said, great,
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let's put you on less find out. We're going to
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get into that very shortly as well as well we'll
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we're talking about, well, the newest book, the compilation is
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came out no longer hot off the press.
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Yes, oh yeah, still warm at least.
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Yes, And I love the cover because it reminded me
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of you know, we'll talk about that later. I'm gonna
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get lost in the sauce here, EFFI Jesus alimentation. What
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we got tons to talk about. But first off, we
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don't want to congratulate you because you're recently Best Indie
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Book Award winner for The Flair Man. Congratulations on that.
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Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that was a really nice surprise.
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You know, I had basically submitted the Flair months and
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months ago, and they go through their process to select
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winners in each category, and so the Flair won for
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the novella category, and it was exciting on multiple levels.
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I feel like novellas and short stories people are kind
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of rediscovering. I think we moved away from that format for.
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A while, but I love it.
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I love short, punchy fiction with nice twists, and it's
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very much eighty Slasher inspired. There's lots of dark humor,
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and it felt really nice, especially as an indie author,
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to be recognized that way. So I'm excited for the
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you know, my plaque to come in the mail and
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make it really official.
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Well, how did you find out that you won? Did
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they say send you an email first or they just
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put it out there on socials and say, hey, man,
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you got it.
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They did send an email first, which I was happy
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about because I know with some of the awards online
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circulating around, you do sometimes find out, hey, here's the
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list of finalists. It's almost like in high school. I
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was in theater, and you almost feel like a theater
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kid going up to the bulletin board after school, like, oh, gosh,
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did we make it? You know, in real time? And
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so it was nice to get a little bit of
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a heads up. They were super professional and asked for
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marketing materials and that sort of thing, and so yeah,
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I had a little heads up and had to sit
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on it for a week or two. But it's nice
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to be able to talk about it now and share
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that news.
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I saw that pop on on the Facebook, feeling, oh,
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we're definitely going to talk about that. Well they and
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then you brought something up, Yes, we're talking about theater
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now that you're an award winning author. Let's go back
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in time a little bit. Let's take Brian Paone's DeLorean.
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We want to go back in time a little bit.
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What was like for DC Phillips prior to become an author.
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Was this always your journey or were you doing something
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completely different at that time.
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You know, it's funny because I think a lot of writers,
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or a lot of people who are creative in any way,
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can relate to this. But even in school, I would
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write stories and draw pictures to go along with those stories,
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and I think I even probably scared a few teachers
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with some of the stories that I submitted for creative
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writing projects.
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They're like, oh, this is morbid.
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But by the time I got to high school, you know,
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that started to evolve a little bit. And I even
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recently recovered an external hard drive that I thought was
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lost forever. And I even found a movie that I
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made with some friends about this sort of slasher story
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that I wrote in high school. So it's kind of
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funny to see that come full circle. There were even
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manuscripts that I had written all the way back then
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that I've uncovered and reread. You know, sometimes you think
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I was young, that's probably garbage, toss it out, But
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you reread it and you're like, Okay, the writing could
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use some polishing, but I like the idea here. So
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there are definitely some ideas that I've either salvaged or
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that I've cleaned up and been able to put out
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there in collections and anthologies. So that's a really nice
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feeling and one that I'm sure a lot of creatives
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can relate to.
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Yes, similar to our believe to musicians, well, they're getting
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in a studio, will record some stuff and then either
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it gets lost into tapes or somewhere down the road
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and say, oh, this is griff is really good, and
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then you never know a great song can come out
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of that. It's part of the creative process in a way.
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So then from that point, I'm curious to see when
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in your life did you get involved with a pair
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of normal because it's I'm not saying this seems to
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be a shift, but how did that start and are
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you still kind of involved with that today?
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Yes, and yes, I would say that for a lot
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of people who are into horror, dark and creepy things,
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horror authors, I think a lot of us have real
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life experiences at a young age that sort of plant
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that seed.
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And really push that interest.
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It's funny because since we met at Fright Reid's, I've
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kept up with your podcasts, and I believe one of
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your recent guests even went into their experiences with shadow people.
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And that's something that I don't even like saying out loud,
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because they say, there's a what is the saying that
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when you peer into the void, things that are their
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peer back, you know, the more you want to know
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about those entities and those those things in another realm
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or whatever, they want to know more about you. So
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it's not something that I talk about every day. Uh,
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but yeah, at a young age, I remember having experiences
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with shadow people. There's always kind of that archetype of
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a shadowy figure in a broad brimmed black hat. And
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so you know, now with with I kind of grew up.
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On that line.
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I'm a millennial and I grew up pre and post Internet,
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and it's been really crazy to read on Reddit and
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these other forums of people describing that exact same entity
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that you saw in dreams as a kid and that
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sort of thing. So those experiences do definitely go way back,
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and for me, it's they always kind of center around
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that liminal space between waking and sleeping. But it was
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very real to me. I got to say that.
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I believe we talk about hat Man, right, yes.
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Yeah, and yeah you get a chill, right, you don't.
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It's kind of I don't know.
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I don't even like same the name always, but I
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saved it for your podcast.
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So we're both talking about him.
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Not to make light or be flippant, right, but hey,
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if he visits one of us, he's gonna visit both
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of so at least there's numbers.
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Yeah, you're not lying there. I think that back long
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before you, when I was in high school, there was
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a girl talking in class about very similar description of
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something she saw in her dreams as well. And back
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then there's bullies everywhere. When they kind of hear a story,
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they start bullying. You're making fun of you. But if
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you start mentioning Man to her, she would go nuts
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because it was that terrifying to her.
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Yeah, and you know, with the.
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Real prominence of the Internet and platforms where people can discuss,
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I think that's probably why people gravitate toward your podcast,
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because you know, you do feel like, wow, I'm not
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the only one. I'm not crazy, you know, people don't
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think I'm a total lunatic because I am describing this experience.
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So there's there's a real sense of community in that,
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And you touched on something there, because one of the
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reasons why this podcast began is because I wanted to
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have a conversation with like minded people who've had the
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similar experiences in order to help me figure things out
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in questions that I have about the subject, not only
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with paranormal UFOs and cryptozoology and beyond. Because when you
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have all these kind of experiences in your life, it's
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always nice to have a community, whether large or small,
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that can relate to what you're doing and have a
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conversation about it.
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Yeah, now, how much of this well hold on?
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Because you said also we're talking about fright reasons that
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you've also done some investigations. What locations have you gone to?
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Yeah, most of mine have been fairly amateur, I would say,
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but I've definitely have some some experiences that have told
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me there is something beyond right. I think probably the
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one that had the biggest impact where it was a
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true investigation, uh, was actually something I found on Groupon.
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And you can.
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Pretty much guarantee experiences that you find in groupon are
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either going to be some of the worst or best
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of your life, right, there's no real in between. And
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so this was in Tennessee outside of Chattanooga, and probably
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about ten years ago because the memories popped up on Facebook,
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not that long ago. But it's a place called Hale's
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Bar Dam. And forgive me, you know, if I don't
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get the history one hundred percent correct. I am a
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fiction author, so I you know, I take things and
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run with it. But of the actual historical facts of
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behind the location. But this was a dam that was
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not active for very long. It was built in the
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early nineteen hundreds. There were tons of accidents, flooding. There
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was even, allegedly, according to legend, a group of school
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children who would use one of the tunnels to cut
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through from a little neighborhood to school every day and
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there was a flash flood and all of those kids
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were carried away one day and never located. And so
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there's there's a ton of history. I think it's been
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on one of the ghost hunting shows, and so they
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say that it centered around a whirlpool that had you know,
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I believe it was a Cherokee name that essentially meant
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place of death or something along those lines, and so
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you can imagine it's already steeped in history. There's so
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much lore surrounding it. And there were probably three spots
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inside that dam at really were mind blowing to me.
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The first one, there's an area where people leave toys
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for they say one of the children who was swept away.
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And you know, you sit in the dark, you're all
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gathered around in a circle. You can't even see the
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people around you, you can't see your hand in front
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of your face, but you can hear footsteps.
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After everything goes pitch.
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Black, the flashlights are out, you don't have to wait
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that long, and you hear this echoing coming up the
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hall and it's one of those things where obviously skeptics
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can always explain away, oh they must have had a
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sound system, Oh there must have been somebody else down
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the hallway, But when you're in it, and you know,
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you know, I was just in that hallway, there's nowhere
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for a third party to hide.
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did not sleep for two days after that.
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Totally transparent here from there it actually got even I
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will say, creepy. I don't know there's a for anyone
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who's experienced real paranormal activity. I think it's not always
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necessarily the scare factor. There's also a sadness or a
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sorrow to it, because according Shin, they would add, there
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were two men who actually fell in while that concrete
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was being poured and at that time, and it was
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it was one of the most impactful paranormal moments I've experienced.
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Terrifying to say the least. Now, with that experience that
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you've had and then others after that, how much of
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that influenced your writing.
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that we, as members of the Atlanta chapter of the
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Horror Writers Association, put together, and it's called Georgia Gothic, And.
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And my answer is always, well, it's legend, it's folklore.
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It came from somewhere, right, and so you know, sort
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of a yes and no to that. To that question,
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I'll take and I'll run with. And so I would say,
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whether it's comes from a history book or a subconscious
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these events and in these places and these entities, happenings,
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things and counters, whatever you want to call it, definitely
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form the found for pretty much everything I write.
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Excellent, it seems to be the formula. Seems to be
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working for you, my friend. So we're going to fast
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forward now to Effigy's and incantation. I was talking to
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you at the table because the cover, it's already creepy
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enough of ventriloquis dummy. They're one of those things that
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for me, I'm gonna say they terrify me, but it
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already puts me in that element of creepy. And I
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was sharing a story with you, not about because I've
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had experience. I've never held one, I've seen one. I
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won't touch them like some people have things for clowns.
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These ventriloquist dummy, especially old style looking ones, super creepy. Brother,
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there was a I don't know what decade in nineteen
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hundreds I'm gonna shoot for during the big radio time
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before there was TV. There was a very famous person
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back then that had a ventriloquist act. But here's the
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best part. But he did it on the radio.
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Back then, this this person was super famous worldwide for
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having an act, and back then there was no TV,
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so you have to use your imagination. I'm saying, did
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he really need the dummy who could just fake the
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whole thing? But his daughter was actually a very famous
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actress in the eighties, so she couldn't fake that because
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she actually had to do the work on the camera.
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That's a tangent. We'll talk about this another day. But
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with the cover, it is a collection of stories from
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different authors.
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Correct, yes, yeah.
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And you know what's really great is, like you said,
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the vent trillock was dummies doll just like clowns. There's
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such a classic trope and a classic theme. So working
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with the cover artist, Lynn Hansen, super talented, you know,
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she came up with something, had something ready actually that
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fit perfectly along with the stories that were included. And
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it's interesting because it's one of those things, like you said,
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at different events, people walk by my table and that
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don't catches their eyes because it's so classic and so
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the stories in the collection and the anthology are from
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different authors. I have two in there myself, and it's
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a lot of fun because yes, we have the classic
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tropes of haunted dolls, but there are also twists. We
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take it into cosmic territory, we take it into domestic horror,
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and you know what might be lurking around your own home.
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There's some supernatural and so I think it's nice because
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it really is a mixed bag of a lot of
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horror tropes and even subgenres that we all love, those
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of us who love scary things.
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And that we do. My friend, so who's featured in
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the book with authors? Did you choose having there?
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Oh, we've got a nice roster.
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So we've got William Sterling, We've got Don Major.
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A lot of people are active in the.
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Horror Writers Association, so if others are fall HWA or
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are part.
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Of it, they'll recognize some names.
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We've also got Laura McMurray, Keim Penzen, and just a
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ton of really great talented people who we have people
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who are more seasoned and have more work out there
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in the open. And we have a couple of people
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who just were publishing a couple of pieces for the
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first time, and so that was exciting too to be
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able to work with them. We've also got co Davidson.
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You know, I can go on and on. There are
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seventeen of us, so it's a nice, nice roster.
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And did you choose them all the yourself or is
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it one of them? Is say, hey, man, would you
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mind checking this work out? And out of all the
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horror stories, which ones? What kind were you looking forward
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to including there? Are there any specific themes or you
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just went with what they sent you.
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So it started out because William Sterling and I started
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comparing notes and we each had doll stories that we
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had just laying around, essentially, and we weren't sure what
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to do with them. I started talking to a couple
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of other people and they said the same thing, since
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it is so classic, and so I put out on
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Instagram a feeler, a call for submissions, and I was
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really surprised by what came back. I basically put out
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the call asking for stories about haunted dolls, cursed objects,
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diabolical games, and so the stories that came back to me.
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We even have the story about a cursed mixtape, We've
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got one about that's an urban legend about a game
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that's played in a small southern town by Can Wiggs's
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one of my favorites.
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Probably, I would have.
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To say we got some of the more typical Killer
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Doll stories that are just a lot of fun by
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Mark Munroe. And I received some submissions by people I
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had never met, and so that was what was cool,
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because this call for submissions, because it went online, went
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to the far corners of the earth, right, and so
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that was really cool to see stories come in from
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people I didn't know, but now I've gotten to know
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and I've been introduced to, and it was really exciting
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to be able to work with them. And sometimes when
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you do have a specific theme at the editor, you
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know you're giving guidance and feedback on how we can
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shape this story to fit the theme a bit more closely,
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or if we have multiple porcelain dolls, hey could you
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do this in your story to kind of set years
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apart and to distinguish it.
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And so that was that was really cool to be able.
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To make sure that all of these stories mesh and
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they flow one from the new.
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And each giving us something new.
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And so tell you how many stories are there in
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the book currently.
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Eight Yeah, so eight seventeen distinct authors and eighteen stories.
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So it's a nice, nice mix.
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Especially when I'm meeting people at events and they ask
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what would you recommend or I'm not a big reader,
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you know, I tell them short stories are a great
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way to get back into reading for people who maybe
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you're taking a break or feel like they don't have
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the attention span to commit to a five hundred page
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epic novel, you know.
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And I feel like something to that because I've been
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noticing more and more a lot of compilations and more
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short stories being published, and you know, I kind of
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like those those stories. And sometimes these short stories it's
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a challenge because you really got to tell every bit
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of that story. It's such a short amount of pages.
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I can imagine me kind of stressful to do something
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like that.
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Yeah, you know, sometimes with shorter fiction, you really have
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to streamline it, you really have to pare it down.
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There's a big boom of flash fiction, and I've tried
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my hand at that where it's like a sometimes it's
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maybe a thousand word limit, but that can be a
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real challenge, and as a writer, it's a lot of
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fun because you have to be very intentional with your words.
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You don't have a ton a ton of extra room
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to spare, so it can be a lot of fun.
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And so what's been the feedback so far for Effigy Incantations.
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I am really excited to share that.
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I also just found out it made the twenty twenty
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five list of recommended works for the Horror Writers Association,
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and that's something that people actually go in. Members of
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the HWA go in and they can nominate, So that
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means that people connected with it, you know, even people
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who were not featured or didn't have stories submitted to it.
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So that's really exciting to see that coming together. And
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we'll see there's voting that should happen early next year
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to see what makes the actual ballot for what we
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call the Stoker Awards.
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They're like the top prize, the Grammy or the Emmy
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or you know of horror writing.
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And so so far the reception has been really great,
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and that's exciting to put something out into the world
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and you don't know what those Good Read reviews are
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going to look like, or those Amazon reviews are going
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to look like until they start coming in and again,
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you know, total strangers are putting their reviews online and
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saying that they really are connecting with the material and
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enjoying it.
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So's there's nothing like that feeling.
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We're full of excellent news today. So we're gonna hop
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on the excellent news topic here with the your war
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for the Flair. Let's talk about the flair? What is
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that about?
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Oh yeah, so the flair again. When people come by
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my table and they ask what is my favorite work
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or what do I recommend? H This was really my
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first time trying my hand at longer form fiction. It
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is still a novella, so it's a quick roller coaster
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of a ride. But people have compared it to an
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urban ledge and I was really inspired by eighties movies
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like Fright Night when I wrote it, because there's a
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lot of heart to the characters. One reader even referred
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to it as cozy interview, which when you know there's
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blood and guts and gore. That was a real compliment
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to me that people see the characters as relatable and approachable.
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But it's funny, you know, we're tying this back to
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real events or real places, and in the flare there
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is an urban legend in the small southern town that
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basically says there's a serial killer, potentially of supernatural origins,
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living in an old, abandoned mill. And for me, there
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are a few places and stories that I picked up
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throughout my childhood and my youth that I used for inspiration,
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one of them being the It's actually a venue or
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was a music venue in Atlanta called the Masquerade, and
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it was actually the first night club I ever went
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to at eighteen years old, and it was It's The
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venue was in this old mill called the Excelsior the
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excuse me, the do pre Excelsior Mill. So it's this
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old building, creaky floors with three levels, and I mean,
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there could be three different shows going on at the
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same time, but it you know, the floors would creak
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so much, and people were in the mash pits you
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really were afraid you might fall through. But the floors
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were called Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, which already gives it
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kind of a gothic feel. And there were rumors, because
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they did have these goth nights and these sort of
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dark industrial nights, that there were real vampires that frequented
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this place. And I know, you know, people may scoff,
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I think it sounds silly, but it was a very
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real thing that people said that there was one vampire
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in particular who lived in the attic space and in
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the shadows, and you know, if you went to one
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of these goth nights, you had to be careful and
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watch your back. So that was a lot of fun.
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My fiction is very grounded in these real places that
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do exist.
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Man, can you imagined how much energy you have to
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play in order to conjure up these spirits are vampires
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to come chick out a show, that's.
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What I'm saying, and to live there, you know, those
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must have been some talented acts.
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To really put up with at twenty first seven.
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But yeah, if people google it, it's the Masquerade, And
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actually I looked it up for some reason not that
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long ago, and it's a really creepy place because there's
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no real definition or define time that it. It just
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sort of kind of started popping up in news articles
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in Atlanta in the eighteen nineties and the first mention
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of it, the first reference was to the death of
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an employee there. So it's a very mysterious. Uh, it's
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an Atlanta staple. I would say, it's it's moved on
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to a new location. But everybody knows the masquerade in
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dark and spooky circles.
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I would say, I'll tell you what. There are many
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people out there that have probably gone to this location
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and have stories. I would love for them to either
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get a hold of you or be and just start
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talking about it, so I know your stories, because I'm
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curious to know did they see these vampires, what acts
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played there, what kind of experiences did you have? And
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because you're talking about three layers, that's a lot of energy.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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But no, I'm thinking maybe I have to do a
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little bit of road trip. I think you and I
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will go. We'll hang out and see what conjures up
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my friend. And now I know that. I mean, twenty
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twenty five has already ended, and where we are in December.
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What's coming up with you for twenty twenty six.
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I'm so glad you asked. I've got some projects in
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the works. One that I'm really excited about. I'm actually
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co authoring a young adult thriller with a friend, Vanessa Red.
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She's also featured in effigies and incantations. Extremely talented and
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I feel like our styles mesh really well. We're referring
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to this new project as sort of I Know what
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you did last summer meets frying tomatoes. So very Southern
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Gothic inspired and again lots of history incorporated. There's it
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was a mental hospital in Atlanta, Central State, in Milledgeville, Georgia,
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and it's long since operation, but some of the buildings
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do still stand. And that's one of the central focus
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point points and central locations of our story. And so yeah,
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we're going back in time. Her parts, she's focusing on
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the way past, and I'm focusing on thirty years later,
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which is still in the past. It's going to be
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in the nineties, probably of a grandmother and her granddaughter
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and some of the secrets that they keep from each
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other and what they find out over the course of
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a summer. So really excited about that one. It's in
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the works.
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I would love to bring you back once that's released
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on the show, we'll talk about that. Here's a question
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maybe you're not prepared to answer. Is that I got
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your question. I watch every once in a while, mix
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it up. Now, I'm not too spicy of a question.
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Of course, if you were to put a soundtrack to
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The Flare, who would you have on that?
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Oh, that's a great question, and I think probably I
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mean dream big, right, I would say the Flair is
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very cinematic, it's very inspired by eighties slashers in particular.
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So we've got to get John Carpenter, right, who better?
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That's somebody?
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As I write, I actually will listen to the soundtrack
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of The Fog or the Lost Themes album, and so yeah,
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let's get John Carpenter on it.
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Why not?
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That's a winner for me. Anything John Carpenter.
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Exactly can't go wrong with a slasher soundtrack With John
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Carpenter in the background.
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Truer words have never been spoken on this show, my friend. Now,
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for our listeners who are our friends of let's find out?
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Don't want to get to know more about what you do,
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your projects, your books? Where can they go find out?
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I would say I'm probably most active on Instagram, followed
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by Facebook. But if you want to find me, I'm
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at linktree dot com slash frightful Fable, So if you
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google Frightful Fables you will find me all over the socials.
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I'm everywhere excellent and I'll put all the links in
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the show description once the episode has released. DC, my
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friend has been awesome having you on the show. I
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look forward to having you back in twenty twenty six
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and let's stay in touch man.
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Yes please, I'm I'm a fan now I'm a listener,
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so I'll be tuning in for sure.
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The borders of space and time have opened once again,
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and transmitting from the mountains of West Virginia, it's time
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once again for Let's find Out with Diego. The universe
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is waiting for you. Wake up and remember.
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On this episode of Let's find Out. Our guest is
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an Atlanta based storyteller who blames the every day with
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the eerie. This inspiration can come from the creeping tear
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behind perfect picket fences to the dark history hidden in
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old stone walls. He has been recently featured in Bold
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Journey magazine. He's ready to terrify you with tales of
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haunted dolls, haunted objects, and diabolical games. All this plus more,
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Please welcome our new friend and first time guest, Award
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winning author DC Phillips, DC, my friend, Welcome to Let's
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find Out.
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Thank you so much, Diego. I'm glad to be here
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and I got chilled with that introduction. I feel like
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I need that introduction more often, you know, just regular
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phone calls during the week.
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No, that's confidence boost.
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I'll be your hype man. What is that movie. Now
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it comes to mind.
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It was.
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Back in the medieval times. It had Heath Ledger ad it.
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Oh gosh, A Night's Tale? Was that?
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It a Night's Tale?
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Yeah?
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And that could be your hype.
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Man.
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I like it. I approve this is good. Already got
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something good in the works here.
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Oh perfect. We'll talk offline about it, man, I think
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I got a new part time job. Now. Now I
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first met you, I'll say not long ago, but we
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were just talking about offline about three months ago, almost
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four months ago at Fright Reads in Maryland. What a
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great event that was. Harry put on something spectacular. I
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didn't know it was going to be this big, and
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I went to your table one of the first people
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I talked to you. You were so nice to me. We
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had a great conversation and I was originally going to
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have you on Bonus over Drive Wednesday, because normally I
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save Bonus over Drive for different subjects. But as we
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got talked and you're like, well, you know, I do
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have experience of paranormal and investigations and experiences, I said, great,
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let's put you on less find out. We're going to
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get into that very shortly as well as well we'll
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we're talking about, well, the newest book, the compilation is
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came out no longer hot off the press.
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Yes, oh yeah, still warm at least.
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Yes, And I love the cover because it reminded me
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of you know, we'll talk about that later. I'm gonna
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get lost in the sauce here, EFFI Jesus alimentation. What
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we got tons to talk about. But first off, we
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don't want to congratulate you because you're recently Best Indie
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Book Award winner for The Flair Man. Congratulations on that.
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Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that was a really nice surprise.
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You know, I had basically submitted the Flair months and
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months ago, and they go through their process to select
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winners in each category, and so the Flair won for
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the novella category, and it was exciting on multiple levels.
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I feel like novellas and short stories people are kind
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of rediscovering. I think we moved away from that format for.
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A while, but I love it.
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I love short, punchy fiction with nice twists, and it's
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very much eighty Slasher inspired. There's lots of dark humor,
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and it felt really nice, especially as an indie author,
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to be recognized that way. So I'm excited for the
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you know, my plaque to come in the mail and
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make it really official.
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Well, how did you find out that you won? Did
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they say send you an email first or they just
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put it out there on socials and say, hey, man,
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you got it.
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They did send an email first, which I was happy
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about because I know with some of the awards online
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circulating around, you do sometimes find out, hey, here's the
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list of finalists. It's almost like in high school. I
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was in theater, and you almost feel like a theater
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kid going up to the bulletin board after school, like, oh, gosh,
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did we make it? You know, in real time? And
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so it was nice to get a little bit of
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a heads up. They were super professional and asked for
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marketing materials and that sort of thing, and so yeah,
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I had a little heads up and had to sit
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on it for a week or two. But it's nice
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to be able to talk about it now and share
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that news.
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Yeah.
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I saw that pop on on the Facebook, feeling, oh,
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we're definitely going to talk about that. Well they and
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then you brought something up, Yes, we're talking about theater
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now that you're an award winning author. Let's go back
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in time a little bit. Let's take Brian Paone's DeLorean.
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We want to go back in time a little bit.
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What was like for DC Phillips prior to become an author.
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Was this always your journey or were you doing something
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completely different at that time.
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or a lot of people who are creative in any way,
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can relate to this. But even in school, I would
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write stories and draw pictures to go along with those stories,
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and I think I even probably scared a few teachers
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with some of the stories that I submitted for creative
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writing projects.
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They're like, oh, this is morbid.
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But by the time I got to high school, you know,
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that started to evolve a little bit. And I even
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recently recovered an external hard drive that I thought was
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lost forever. And I even found a movie that I
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made with some friends about this sort of slasher story
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that I wrote in high school. So it's kind of
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funny to see that come full circle. There were even
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manuscripts that I had written all the way back then
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that I've uncovered and reread. You know, sometimes you think
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I was young, that's probably garbage, toss it out, But
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you reread it and you're like, Okay, the writing could
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use some polishing, but I like the idea here. So
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there are definitely some ideas that I've either salvaged or
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that I've cleaned up and been able to put out
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there in collections and anthologies. So that's a really nice
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feeling and one that I'm sure a lot of creatives
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can relate to.
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Yes, similar to our believe to musicians, well, they're getting
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in a studio, will record some stuff and then either
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it gets lost into tapes or somewhere down the road
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and say, oh, this is griff is really good, and
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then you never know a great song can come out
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of that. It's part of the creative process in a way.
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So then from that point, I'm curious to see when
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in your life did you get involved with a pair
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of normal because it's I'm not saying this seems to
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be a shift, but how did that start and are
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you still kind of involved with that today?
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of people who are into horror, dark and creepy things,
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horror authors, I think a lot of us have real
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life experiences at a young age that sort of plant
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that seed.
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And really push that interest.
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It's funny because since we met at Fright Reid's, I've
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kept up with your podcasts, and I believe one of
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your recent guests even went into their experiences with shadow people.
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about those entities and those those things in another realm
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or whatever, they want to know more about you. So
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these other forums of people describing that exact same entity
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that you saw in dreams as a kid and that
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sort of thing. So those experiences do definitely go way back,
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that liminal space between waking and sleeping. But it was
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very real to me. I got to say that.
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I believe we talk about hat Man, right, yes.
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saved it for your podcast.
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if he visits one of us, he's gonna visit both
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before you, when I was in high school, there was
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something she saw in her dreams as well. And back
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then there's bullies everywhere. When they kind of hear a story,
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they start bullying. You're making fun of you. But if
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you start mentioning Man to her, she would go nuts
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because you know, you do feel like, wow, I'm not
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the only one. I'm not crazy, you know, people don't
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think I'm a total lunatic because I am describing this experience.
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have a conversation with like minded people who've had the
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similar experiences in order to help me figure things out
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in questions that I have about the subject, not only
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with paranormal UFOs and cryptozoology and beyond. Because when you
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always nice to have a community, whether large or small,
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that can relate to what you're doing and have a
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conversation about it.
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you've also done some investigations. What locations have you gone to?
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me there is something beyond right. I think probably the
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true investigation, uh, was actually something I found on Groupon.
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either going to be some of the worst or best
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of your life, right, there's no real in between. And
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so this was in Tennessee outside of Chattanooga, and probably
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about ten years ago because the memories popped up on Facebook,
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not that long ago. But it's a place called Hale's
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Bar Dam. And forgive me, you know, if I don't
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get the history one hundred percent correct. I am a
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fiction author, so I you know, I take things and
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run with it. But of the actual historical facts of
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behind the location. But this was a dam that was
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not active for very long. It was built in the
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early nineteen hundreds. There were tons of accidents, flooding. There
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children who would use one of the tunnels to cut
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through from a little neighborhood to school every day and
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there was a flash flood and all of those kids
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on one of the ghost hunting shows, and so they
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place of death or something along those lines, and so
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much lore surrounding it. And there were probably three spots
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for they say one of the children who was swept away.
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gathered around in a circle. You can't even see the
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people around you, you can't see your hand in front
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of your face, but you can hear footsteps.
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that long, and you hear this echoing coming up the
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hall and it's one of those things where obviously skeptics
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can always explain away, oh they must have had a
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sound system, Oh there must have been somebody else down
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the hallway, But when you're in it, and you know,
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you know, I was just in that hallway, there's nowhere
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who's experienced real paranormal activity. I think it's not always
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necessarily the scare factor. There's also a sadness or a
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sorrow to it, because according Shin, they would add, there
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were two men who actually fell in while that concrete
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was being poured and at that time, and it was
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it was one of the most impactful paranormal moments I've experienced.
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you've had and then others after that, how much of
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that influenced your writing.
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that we, as members of the Atlanta chapter of the
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Horror Writers Association, put together, and it's called Georgia Gothic, And.
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of a yes and no to that. To that question,
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whether it's comes from a history book or a subconscious
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these events and in these places and these entities, happenings,
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things and counters, whatever you want to call it, definitely
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form the found for pretty much everything I write.
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working for you, my friend. So we're going to fast
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forward now to Effigy's and incantation. I was talking to
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you at the table because the cover, it's already creepy
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enough of ventriloquis dummy. They're one of those things that
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for me, I'm gonna say they terrify me, but it
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already puts me in that element of creepy. And I
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was sharing a story with you, not about because I've
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had experience. I've never held one, I've seen one. I
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won't touch them like some people have things for clowns.
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These ventriloquist dummy, especially old style looking ones, super creepy. Brother,
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there was a I don't know what decade in nineteen
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hundreds I'm gonna shoot for during the big radio time
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before there was TV. There was a very famous person
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back then that had a ventriloquist act. But here's the
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best part. But he did it on the radio.
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having an act, and back then there was no TV,
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so you have to use your imagination. I'm saying, did
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he really need the dummy who could just fake the
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whole thing? But his daughter was actually a very famous
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actress in the eighties, so she couldn't fake that because
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she actually had to do the work on the camera.
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with the cover, it is a collection of stories from
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different authors.
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the vent trillock was dummies doll just like clowns. There's
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such a classic trope and a classic theme. So working
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with the cover artist, Lynn Hansen, super talented, you know,
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she came up with something, had something ready actually that
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fit perfectly along with the stories that were included. And
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it's interesting because it's one of those things, like you said,
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at different events, people walk by my table and that
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don't catches their eyes because it's so classic and so
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the stories in the collection and the anthology are from
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different authors. I have two in there myself, and it's
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a lot of fun because yes, we have the classic
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tropes of haunted dolls, but there are also twists. We
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take it into cosmic territory, we take it into domestic horror,
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and you know what might be lurking around your own home.
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it really is a mixed bag of a lot of
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horror tropes and even subgenres that we all love, those
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of us who love scary things.
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the book with authors? Did you choose having there?
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Horror Writers Association, so if others are fall HWA or
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ton of really great talented people who we have people
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who are more seasoned and have more work out there
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in the open. And we have a couple of people
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who just were publishing a couple of pieces for the
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first time, and so that was exciting too to be
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able to work with them. We've also got co Davidson.
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seventeen of us, so it's a nice, nice roster.
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it one of them? Is say, hey, man, would you
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mind checking this work out? And out of all the
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horror stories, which ones? What kind were you looking forward
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to including there? Are there any specific themes or you
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just went with what they sent you.
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comparing notes and we each had doll stories that we
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had just laying around, essentially, and we weren't sure what
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to do with them. I started talking to a couple
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of other people and they said the same thing, since
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it is so classic, and so I put out on
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Instagram a feeler, a call for submissions, and I was
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really surprised by what came back. I basically put out
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the call asking for stories about haunted dolls, cursed objects,
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diabolical games, and so the stories that came back to me.
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got one about that's an urban legend about a game
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one of my favorites.
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Mark Munroe. And I received some submissions by people I
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had never met, and so that was what was cool,
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because this call for submissions, because it went online, went
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to the far corners of the earth, right, and so
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that was really cool to see stories come in from
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people I didn't know, but now I've gotten to know
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do this in your story to kind of set years
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And each giving us something new.
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And so tell you how many stories are there in
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the book currently.
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Eight Yeah, so eight seventeen distinct authors and eighteen stories.
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So it's a nice, nice mix.
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Especially when I'm meeting people at events and they ask
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what would you recommend or I'm not a big reader,
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you know, I tell them short stories are a great
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way to get back into reading for people who maybe
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you're taking a break or feel like they don't have
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the attention span to commit to a five hundred page
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epic novel, you know.
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And I feel like something to that because I've been
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noticing more and more a lot of compilations and more
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short stories being published, and you know, I kind of
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like those those stories. And sometimes these short stories it's
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a challenge because you really got to tell every bit
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of that story. It's such a short amount of pages.
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I can imagine me kind of stressful to do something
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like that.
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Yeah, you know, sometimes with shorter fiction, you really have
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to streamline it, you really have to pare it down.
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There's a big boom of flash fiction, and I've tried
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my hand at that where it's like a sometimes it's
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maybe a thousand word limit, but that can be a
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real challenge, and as a writer, it's a lot of
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fun because you have to be very intentional with your words.
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You don't have a ton a ton of extra room
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to spare, so it can be a lot of fun.
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And so what's been the feedback so far for Effigy Incantations.
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I am really excited to share that.
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I also just found out it made the twenty twenty
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five list of recommended works for the Horror Writers Association,
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and that's something that people actually go in. Members of
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the HWA go in and they can nominate, So that
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means that people connected with it, you know, even people
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who were not featured or didn't have stories submitted to it.
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So that's really exciting to see that coming together. And
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we'll see there's voting that should happen early next year
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to see what makes the actual ballot for what we
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call the Stoker Awards.
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They're like the top prize, the Grammy or the Emmy
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or you know of horror writing.
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And so so far the reception has been really great,
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and that's exciting to put something out into the world
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and you don't know what those Good Read reviews are
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going to look like, or those Amazon reviews are going
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to look like until they start coming in and again,
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you know, total strangers are putting their reviews online and
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saying that they really are connecting with the material and
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enjoying it.
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So's there's nothing like that feeling.
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We're full of excellent news today. So we're gonna hop
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on the excellent news topic here with the your war
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for the Flair. Let's talk about the flair? What is
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that about?
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Oh yeah, so the flair again. When people come by
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my table and they ask what is my favorite work
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or what do I recommend? H This was really my
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first time trying my hand at longer form fiction. It
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is still a novella, so it's a quick roller coaster
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of a ride. But people have compared it to an
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urban ledge and I was really inspired by eighties movies
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like Fright Night when I wrote it, because there's a
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lot of heart to the characters. One reader even referred
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to it as cozy interview, which when you know there's
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blood and guts and gore. That was a real compliment
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to me that people see the characters as relatable and approachable.
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But it's funny, you know, we're tying this back to
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real events or real places, and in the flare there
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is an urban legend in the small southern town that
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basically says there's a serial killer, potentially of supernatural origins,
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living in an old, abandoned mill. And for me, there
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are a few places and stories that I picked up
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throughout my childhood and my youth that I used for inspiration,
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one of them being the It's actually a venue or
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was a music venue in Atlanta called the Masquerade, and
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it was actually the first night club I ever went
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to at eighteen years old, and it was It's The
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venue was in this old mill called the Excelsior the
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excuse me, the do pre Excelsior Mill. So it's this
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old building, creaky floors with three levels, and I mean,
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there could be three different shows going on at the
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same time, but it you know, the floors would creak
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so much, and people were in the mash pits you
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really were afraid you might fall through. But the floors
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were called Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, which already gives it
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kind of a gothic feel. And there were rumors, because
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they did have these goth nights and these sort of
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dark industrial nights, that there were real vampires that frequented
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this place. And I know, you know, people may scoff,
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I think it sounds silly, but it was a very
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real thing that people said that there was one vampire
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in particular who lived in the attic space and in
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the shadows, and you know, if you went to one
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of these goth nights, you had to be careful and
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watch your back. So that was a lot of fun.
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And again it's one of those places that I use.
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My fiction is very grounded in these real places that
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do exist.
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Man, can you imagined how much energy you have to
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play in order to conjure up these spirits are vampires
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to come chick out a show, that's.
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What I'm saying, and to live there, you know, those
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must have been some talented acts.
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To really put up with at twenty first seven.
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But yeah, if people google it, it's the Masquerade, And
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actually I looked it up for some reason not that
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long ago, and it's a really creepy place because there's
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no real definition or define time that it. It just
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sort of kind of started popping up in news articles
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in Atlanta in the eighteen nineties and the first mention
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of it, the first reference was to the death of
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an employee there. So it's a very mysterious. Uh, it's
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an Atlanta staple. I would say, it's it's moved on
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to a new location. But everybody knows the masquerade in
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dark and spooky circles.
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I would say, I'll tell you what. There are many
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people out there that have probably gone to this location
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and have stories. I would love for them to either
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get a hold of you or be and just start
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talking about it, so I know your stories, because I'm
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curious to know did they see these vampires, what acts
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played there, what kind of experiences did you have? And
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because you're talking about three layers, that's a lot of energy.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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But no, I'm thinking maybe I have to do a
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little bit of road trip. I think you and I
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will go. We'll hang out and see what conjures up
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my friend. And now I know that. I mean, twenty
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twenty five has already ended, and where we are in December.
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What's coming up with you for twenty twenty six.
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I'm so glad you asked. I've got some projects in
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the works. One that I'm really excited about. I'm actually
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co authoring a young adult thriller with a friend, Vanessa Red.
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She's also featured in effigies and incantations. Extremely talented and
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I feel like our styles mesh really well. We're referring
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to this new project as sort of I Know what
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you did last summer meets frying tomatoes. So very Southern
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Gothic inspired and again lots of history incorporated. There's it
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was a mental hospital in Atlanta, Central State, in Milledgeville, Georgia,
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and it's long since operation, but some of the buildings
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do still stand. And that's one of the central focus
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point points and central locations of our story. And so yeah,
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we're going back in time. Her parts, she's focusing on
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the way past, and I'm focusing on thirty years later,
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which is still in the past. It's going to be
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in the nineties, probably of a grandmother and her granddaughter
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and some of the secrets that they keep from each
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other and what they find out over the course of
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a summer. So really excited about that one. It's in
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the works.
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I would love to bring you back once that's released
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on the show, we'll talk about that. Here's a question
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maybe you're not prepared to answer. Is that I got
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your question. I watch every once in a while, mix
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it up. Now, I'm not too spicy of a question.
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Of course, if you were to put a soundtrack to
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The Flare, who would you have on that?
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Oh, that's a great question, and I think probably I
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mean dream big, right, I would say the Flair is
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very cinematic, it's very inspired by eighties slashers in particular.
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So we've got to get John Carpenter, right, who better?
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That's somebody?
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As I write, I actually will listen to the soundtrack
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of The Fog or the Lost Themes album, and so yeah,
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let's get John Carpenter on it.
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Why not?
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That's a winner for me. Anything John Carpenter.
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Exactly can't go wrong with a slasher soundtrack With John
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Carpenter in the background.
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Truer words have never been spoken on this show, my friend. Now,
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for our listeners who are our friends of let's find out?
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Don't want to get to know more about what you do,
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your projects, your books? Where can they go find out?
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I would say I'm probably most active on Instagram, followed
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by Facebook. But if you want to find me, I'm
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at linktree dot com slash frightful Fable, So if you
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google Frightful Fables you will find me all over the socials.
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I'm everywhere excellent and I'll put all the links in
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the show description once the episode has released. DC, my
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friend has been awesome having you on the show. I
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look forward to having you back in twenty twenty six
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and let's stay in touch man.
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Yes please, I'm I'm a fan now I'm a listener,
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so I'll be tuning in for sure.
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