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All right back at it. I think we've got him now.
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Good morning, Perry. Can you hear me?
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I can hear you?
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Can you hear me?
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Well, cleire, I just say you're on your way from
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place to place, and one has really become a race
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that is on fire right now. It's for the future
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of our state. And I know folks want to hear
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from you. I know you're going to be in some
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place virtually today, but you're going to be pounding the
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pavement as well in the next few days as we
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get closer and closer to the big day.
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I know it's pretty exciting right now.
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So what are you hearing?
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Obviously, there's been so much that's been discussed and talked
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about in the recent days. And if you're just joining us,
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Perry Johnson is here with us right now. He's running
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for governor. You've been talking to a lot of people.
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You've been on that bus and on a plane at times.
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I've seen as well, all over the state trying to
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make sure that you can make your case to the
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people so that they can hear from you and understand
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your vision.
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What is that.
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Vision when it comes to the next four years and
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beyond here in the state.
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Well, as you know, I have a basic theme. I
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spent my entire life bringing quality and efficiency to companies,
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to the Navy, to DoD I want to take that
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skill set and bring quality and efficiency to the state
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of Michigan because we are going to lean the government
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so that we're in a position to eliminate the state
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income tax and reform the property tax. We can't be
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in a position where we have people turning sixty five
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and because the property tax is so onerous, they have
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to move out of their home. They finally paid off
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their home, the mortgage is now done, and they can't
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even live there because of the fact that their income
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is reduced somewhat due to the fact that they've retired
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and they have this onerous, absolutely absurd property tax. It's
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all because our government has wasted the money. Now, I
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think that people like the fact that I'm not the.
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Whole holding to anyone.
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I've self funded, so I've refoosed to take any donations.
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They asked on the debate stage, would I refund money
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if the people building the data centers gave me money,
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if the people powering the data centers gave me money,
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And I told them, look, up. I don't accept donations
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from anyone because I can't be the holding. And that's
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what happens with the politicians nowadays. They're essentially in a
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position where they spend all their time trying to collect money.
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They specifically asked my competitor would he refunded. Of course
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he didn't answer, because that's what they do. They collect
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money so they can run ads, and when they do that,
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that's their main job.
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Now.
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I think people also like the fact that I can
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relate to him, and and I'm a guy that grew
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up in a six hundred square foot home, had one bathroom,
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and we had three kids, and my parents didn't have
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the money to send me to college. I had to
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work in the steel mill and I worked to leave
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her brothers and I got through. And when I was
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in grad school, things were very tough. I had times
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where I didn't have a functioning car. I couldn't even
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buy a sub sandwich. I was about to be evicted.
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I had to come up with thirteen hundred dollars and
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my stuff was going to be thrown in the streets.
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I remember calling my buddy up, Mike Sabini. He's a
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med school that U of m and he's like three
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hundred thousand dollars a day. He's even worse shape than
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I was. And I asked him, I said, Mike, it
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looks like we have to get a bridge game together
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with Peno Wiser. He had owned these clinics and we
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had Puny second, the National Men's and we're representing the
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United States and the Bridge Olympiads, So we were somewhat
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of a celebrity in the.
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Town and kid.
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Wanted to play if you just never had any time,
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but we played him that night. I got the thirteen
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hundred dollars and I avoided being evicted. So what you
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have is a situation where I can relate to what
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it's like when you don't have the money to even
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buy a sub sandwich. And I've spent my whole life
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bringing quality and efficiency to companies.
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That's my skill set. I mean, that's how I started.
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And I have been in a position where I started
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in the auto industry. I know that I was with
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Borg Warner at the time when the auto industry was
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in severe trouble. Japanic come in with tremendous quality and
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they were making their car that was better, less expensive,
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and I thought I knew how to solve the problem.
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My background was mathematics, and I introduced statistical process control
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and we turned out the variation in four or five years.
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But the help of the people on the line, we
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have the best quality in the world, and I'm going
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to take that skill set and bring it to a
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government so they can relate to that. They know. I'm
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against these data centers because the data centers.
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Right now, I'm really in a.
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Severe problem because of the fact that we have these
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sound waves that are going and affecting babies. We don't
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know the cars of theogenic impacts, don't even know how
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many data centers we even need, so I recommended that
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we have a moratorium on them to at least investigate.
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We have seventy of them right now. Four data centers
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have use up as much power as all of the
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homes in the entire state collectively. So you look at
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the electric bills and there go up, up, up, Well,
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that's part of the reason we'll have supply and demand.
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But we have a situation right now where I think
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they like the fact that you have an outsider, and
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having an outsider that is not really a politician is
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something that is appealing because of the fact that they
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can actually go in there and make sense out of
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our government. We started out with the budget of fifty
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six and a half billion, and if you had gone
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up at the rate of inflation, we'd now already be
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at a point where we could eliminate the state income
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tax of thirteen and a half. So I say, we
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staff the craziness that's going on, and we lean our government.
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And I gave a lot of examples of our idiotic expense,
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but one of them that is really extreme is the
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fact that we decided to allocate one point eight billion
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dollars to try.
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To create jobs in the MEPC.
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And they did a study about jobs. In fact, they
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did a study to see how effective their studies were,
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and they said that we're going to create twenty five
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seven hundred and fifty two jobs, not fifty three, but
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fifty two. They ended up creating six hundred and two jobs.
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That's three million.
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Dollars a job. And then when we take a look
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at education, one of our most important goals in its
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entire state, because nothing is more important than our kids,
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we had a situation where we allocated a billion a
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year to try to increase the reading level or improve
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the reading level of fourth graders and under that's certainly
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one of the most important goals we could possibly have.
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But not only did we not achieve that, we went
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from twenty six in the country down to forty fourth.
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And why did we do that?
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Because we didn't voted to investigate what needed to be
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done to really affect that change. We decided to eliminate phonics. Well,
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how do you learn to read. You have to know
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what the letters sound like, and you have to know
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what vocabulary you have. So I started my kids at
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the age of one listening to the letter factory. Every
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letter makes us sound as the D says bah, and
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we need a program.
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Starting the kids at one and two. So they learned
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their their phonics.
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And I admit that my wife was yelling at me
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because I was playing this thing all the time.
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That was driving me enough.
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Yet nevertheless, my kids learned to read at a very
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young age. I have two seventeen year olds and a
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twenty two year old. I wanted to stay in the state.
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We eliminate the income text we improved the school system.
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Suddenly we have a very attractive environment for everyone. We
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do that and our kids aren't going to leave the state.
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We'll ignite the state just like every other state. It
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eliminated the income tax. We have an opportunity to bring
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people from Chicago here in the financial industry where they're
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paying four point ninety five percent every time they sell
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the stock. They don't mean to move to Florida or Texas.
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They can move right here when we can start igniting
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the state. And it's amazing. You ignite the state and
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suddenly everybody benefits. Land values go up, housing values go up.
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You get more money from sales tax, more money from
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gas tax, and you eliminate that income tax. Suddenly we
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have this beautiful state and they know I can do it.
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You know that.
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Those tax pieces probably the biggest piece of the conversation,
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along with data centers that we're hearing about.
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And I think you've nailed it.
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You've also mentioned the audit that you want to do,
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the big meta audit.
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You start with the mega efficiency audit.
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That's what I do.
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You have to start by first assessing the situation. You
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can't just row money at something saying okay with us,
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really knowing where the weaknesses are where you can make
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the improvements and.
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What to target.
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I mean, sometimes if we get nutty, you have a
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billion dollars a year was allocated to try to improve
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the reading level. Think of it, a billion a year.
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We spent eight billion dollars to try to improve the
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quality of reading for fourth graders and under, and we
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went from twenty sixth in the country down to forty fourth.
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We got worse.
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So I mean you first assessed the situation.
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Look at the roads.
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Didn't she run on fix the damn roads? And we're
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constantly fixing the roads. Are they any better? Because you
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have to evaluate what needs to be done. One of
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the biggest expenses we have on roads is labor. So
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wouldn't it make sense that we just improve the quality
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of the materials we have making the roads so they
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last longer and we don't have to have them redone
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every two or three years. Some times we just don't
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do things that make sense. And of course this is
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my business. I understand a politician isn't expected to do that.
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But the beauty of this is if I lean the government,
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I can, with the stroke offense of a pad eliminate
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or reduce any of three taxes, the sales tax, the
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gas tax, or the income tax. I do not need
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the Congress. The Congress appropriates the money. If I find
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a way to make it more efficient, that's it. We
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do that, we ignite the state. Then we get to
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the property tax. I know that requires a constitutional amendment,
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but it's not reasonable that somebody turns sixty five and
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because we have these onerous taxes, they have to move
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out of their home and they can't afford to live there.
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That's just not right and we have to change that,
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and we will. When I'm Governor.
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Barry Johnson with us right now and he's crisscrossing the state.
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Not only will you be in person all throughout the
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state as you have been over the next several days
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up until well election day.
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In fact, people are already voting.
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We have people in the chat saying they've already voted
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for you with the early voting and the absentee as well.
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But you're also you've got to do something a little
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different today. It's a tell rally. Can you tell us
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about a little bit about the tell rally and what
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folks can expect.
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Well, we're trying to reach as many people as possible,
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so we have arranged these various phone calls across the
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entire state, and that way I get an opportunity to
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talk to more and more people. When I go and
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visit these places, we are now packed, as you can see.
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I mean, it's almost to the point I'm being comical.
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We go to the spots and we have so many
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people we can't even fit the people in to the
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place as I'm in, and I want to talk to
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as many people as possible. And the strategy is quite simple.
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This way I can reach a lot more people because
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at least they can hear me. Maybe they can't see me,
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but they can.
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At least hear me.
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And that way I can get my team all the
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way across. And that's the idea that we have. So
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we're systematically doing that across the state. And the beauty
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is that sometimes it's pretty hard to know a candidate
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without hearing something about him.
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You just see this commercial. You don't know.
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You know, my dad was a pilot in World War Two.
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My mom was a nurse in the army.
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Wax and they entered this New Year's Eve party in
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Europe and they were each engaged to someone else.
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But it was one heck of a party. And I'm
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here today because of it. When I say that it's.
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Really great, my dad from the time I was born,
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told me that when you're born in America, you've already
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won the lottery. And I felt that because it's such
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a great country, and I want to make sure that
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we continue to keep it this great country. If you
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work hard and you put your mind to it, anything
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is possible in America.
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And that's the beauty. And I want people to.
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Remember that, because once we lose America, there is no
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other America.
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Very good point, you know, Perry Johnson, you have you've
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run before, You've seen what this can be like. You've
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been on the other side of this issue. I have yet,
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particularly from the election integrity a standpoint, The.
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Election integrity is well, yeah, because what happens is really simple.
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You have a very interesting scenario. The Democrats do everything
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in their power to maneuver, and there are they have
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the most complicated system in the world of trying to
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get onto the ballot, and they they kicked Ralph off
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the ballot ran for example, he's now campaigning with me.
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They kicked him off, and he certainly had the signatures.
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They couldn't even find one phony signature and yet they
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kicked him off the ballot despite the fact that he
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not only hit the fifteen thousand.
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He exceeded it.
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I think he had like sixteen and a half thousand
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or seventh plus to seventeen thousand, and they just decided
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to kick him off. I mean, it's just amazing. With
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Gozad we have we just have all these rules. That's
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why we were concerned when we found out that John
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James got two hundred and sixty thousand dollars from the
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taxpayers for his ads. And he got this because he
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claimed he met this requirement. But when they looked at
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the filings, one of the attorneys pointed this out. This
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is a person running for attorney general. He pointed out that.
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He didn't meet the requirements. When you looked at the.
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Filings, he really only had fifty thousand dollars in some
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odd change, so a little under fifty one thousand. In
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order to be able to qualify for this two sixty
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and you really needed seventy five thousand dollars in donations
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of one hundred dollars or less. And so the Sectary
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of State gave them the two sixty And that may
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really be a problem. Because it violated the basic rules
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for getting the taxpayers two hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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And who even knows what the Democrats could end up
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doing with that down the road, But that's the kind
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of game that they play, and of course in this case,
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it is intention election integrity, and that's a dangerous thing
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because you have rules to follow that when you're taking
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taxpayer money that I think should be followed. So when
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you don't follow them, you probably should at least refund
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that money because it's not right. That's the kind of
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thing that we have to look out for. But we
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are in a position right now where we have a
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state that has been losing population year after year. We
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have ten point one million people in our state. If
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we had grown at the rate of the other states,
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we'd be at fourteen and a half million. At one time,
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we had nineteen congressmen. Now we have thirteen. When Gretchen
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took office, we had fourteen. We lost the congressman because
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we lost the popularity. All of this is really very,
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very negative, and we need to start realizing that our
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kids have to stay here. Think of how many kids
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or grandkids have gone to other states because we have
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not had the economy that's vibrant enough for them to stay.
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We have five hundred and fifty thousand students within a
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fifty mile radius of Metro Detroit, and we lose forty
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percent of these students within the first five years. And
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that's the sin. One time we were a vibrant state,
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and we can be a vibrant state again. What we
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need to do is the state income tax, make it
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attractive for companies to come here, for people to stay here.
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Let's have the right to work lock paths, so we
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don't coerce people to join the unions, because when you
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do that, you immediately make it a negative for companies
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to want to come here. And when I talk to
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companies about relocating, three out of four companies automatically cross
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us off the list just because.
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Of the right to work lack.
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So we've done things to make everything unpleasant for companies
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to come here. We make it complicated. We have all
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this paperwork that's done, We do things that are inefficient.
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We have to have a way of making it attractive
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for companies. And the beauty is when it's attractive for
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companies and you create jobs, you suddenly have an environment
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where people want to come to Michigan, want to stay
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in Michigan.
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And frankly, we.
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Have the most beautiful state in the Union. I've transversed
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the state from one end to the other multiple times.
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Is not a single state in the Union that is
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more picturesque, has more beauty than this beautiful state of Michigan.
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It's truly amazing. We have more fresh water than any place,
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We have more lakes than any place in the entire state, country,
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and really in the world. And you take a look
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at the magnificent state, it's almost like we have different
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parts of the country within our own state, and it's
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just a wonder. So we'll let us reignite this state
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and let's make it a great state again because it
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can be the greatest state in the Union once again.
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Perry Johnson is running for governor and the primary date
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is next Tuesday. You can find out more obviously the
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website ready to go.
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We've got that Parry Johnson dot com.
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There you go, Perry.
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One last quick question from someone who's really strongly considering
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a vote for you. Chuck is asking about your opinion
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Second Amendment and open carry, and.
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Oh, I'm as you know, the libertarians have endorsed me
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because I'm totally for freedom. In fact, I was at
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the gun range yesterday. Yes, I'm a constitutional carry. I
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believe that freedom is the single most important foundation for
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this country, and I think we can never forget that.
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That's why I was so against the kill switch. Think
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about it, We're mandating kill switches in all cars starting
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next year, every new car will have to be a
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kill switch which can be controlled by AI. And you
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have China and Russia that's been hacking us with AI.
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Every major hospital in this country has been hacked, without
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exception at least once. Virtually everyone's been hacked twice. They
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could literally just take over our car. So anything that
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takes away our freedom is something that is contrary and
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anti American. So yes, I am very much second Amendment.
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I'm frankly, I'm for total freedom. And when John James
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voted against that, voted for that bill and voted against
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defunding the bill, he was the only Republican to do so,
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because the Republicans generally believe in freedom, and every single
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Republican was against that killswitch except John James. So yes,
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I'm a big one for freedom. We have to launch
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that freedom is key, and the Libertarians believe in freedom.
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Americans believe in freedom, and I want us to never
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forget that our forefathers began we leave in freedom. In fact,
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Patrick Henry led a charge, and he when he died,
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said give me liberty or give me death.
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Perry Johnson making the case here and of course the
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tell a rally happening today. You can find out more
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Perry Johnson dot Events and they've got that all lined
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up for seven thirty today. We've got the links, will
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share in all of that online as well, Perry Johnson
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dot com the website. Thank you, sir for taking the
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time to be here with us, and we'll talk soon.
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They could also go and watch the debates if they
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haven't to go to Perry Jadson dot com.
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Slash Debates and watch the debates there.
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You have it a great resources.
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Hey, save travels on your on your road today, whether
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it be virtually or pounding the pavement. We appreciate you.
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We know there's a few potholes out there. Yet there's
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still Dodge.
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I remember, I think a pothole of my murder years ago.
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She still hasn't quite gotten that done yet. Maybe you
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can maybe you can finish that that promise.
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I probably.
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Thank you, sir, Great, you've got it. Perry, you too,
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God bless you know.
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I will tell you folks, uh you know, you know
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I don't endorse. I I don't endorse when it comes
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to primaries. It just it's I feel like you have
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It's not my place. You have a brain, you can
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make your own decisions. But I'll tell you I enjoy
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talking to Parry Johnson.
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I really.
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I like him. I think he's sincere. And I'm gonna
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tell you this, what do you vote for him or not?
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Whether I vote for him or not, it is nice
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to see someone who cares about the state again, someone
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who doesn't have to be involved, doesn't have to get involved.
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But you hurt his motives for his family, obviously, the
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significance portion of leaving a legacy. You know, he wants
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his kids to stay here. They're at that age where
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they can grow up and go wherever. But I will
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tell you that that is refreshing.
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Again.
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It's something that we saw on the president. And you know,
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the president somebody didn't need to get involved, didn't need
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to be active in this, in all of this, and
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yet look at the price, he's paid for it, so uh,
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I'll say that just just like I said, and and
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uh and Terry saying in the in the chat, very
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likable guy.
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So there you have it.
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All right back at it. I think we've got him now.
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Good morning, Perry. Can you hear me?
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I can hear you?
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Can you hear me?
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Well, cleire, I just say you're on your way from
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place to place, and one has really become a race
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that is on fire right now. It's for the future
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of our state. And I know folks want to hear
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from you. I know you're going to be in some
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place virtually today, but you're going to be pounding the
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pavement as well in the next few days as we
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get closer and closer to the big day.
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I know it's pretty exciting right now.
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So what are you hearing?
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Obviously, there's been so much that's been discussed and talked
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about in the recent days. And if you're just joining us,
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Perry Johnson is here with us right now. He's running
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for governor. You've been talking to a lot of people.
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You've been on that bus and on a plane at times.
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I've seen as well, all over the state trying to
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make sure that you can make your case to the
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people so that they can hear from you and understand
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your vision.
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What is that.
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Vision when it comes to the next four years and
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beyond here in the state.
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Well, as you know, I have a basic theme. I
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spent my entire life bringing quality and efficiency to companies,
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to the Navy, to DoD I want to take that
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skill set and bring quality and efficiency to the state
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of Michigan because we are going to lean the government
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so that we're in a position to eliminate the state
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income tax and reform the property tax. We can't be
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in a position where we have people turning sixty five
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and because the property tax is so onerous, they have
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to move out of their home. They finally paid off
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their home, the mortgage is now done, and they can't
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even live there because of the fact that their income
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is reduced somewhat due to the fact that they've retired
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and they have this onerous, absolutely absurd property tax. It's
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all because our government has wasted the money. Now, I
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think that people like the fact that I'm not the.
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Whole holding to anyone.
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I've self funded, so I've refoosed to take any donations.
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They asked on the debate stage, would I refund money
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if the people building the data centers gave me money,
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if the people powering the data centers gave me money,
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from anyone because I can't be the holding. And that's
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what happens with the politicians nowadays. They're essentially in a
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position where they spend all their time trying to collect money.
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They specifically asked my competitor would he refunded. Of course
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he didn't answer, because that's what they do. They collect
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money so they can run ads, and when they do that,
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that's their main job.
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I think people also like the fact that I can
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relate to him, and and I'm a guy that grew
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up in a six hundred square foot home, had one bathroom,
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and we had three kids, and my parents didn't have
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the money to send me to college. I had to
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work in the steel mill and I worked to leave
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her brothers and I got through. And when I was
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in grad school, things were very tough. I had times
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where I didn't have a functioning car. I couldn't even
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buy a sub sandwich. I was about to be evicted.
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I had to come up with thirteen hundred dollars and
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my stuff was going to be thrown in the streets.
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I remember calling my buddy up, Mike Sabini. He's a
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med school that U of m and he's like three
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hundred thousand dollars a day. He's even worse shape than
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I was. And I asked him, I said, Mike, it
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looks like we have to get a bridge game together
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with Peno Wiser. He had owned these clinics and we
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had Puny second, the National Men's and we're representing the
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United States and the Bridge Olympiads, So we were somewhat
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of a celebrity in the.
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Town and kid.
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Wanted to play if you just never had any time,
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but we played him that night. I got the thirteen
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hundred dollars and I avoided being evicted. So what you
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have is a situation where I can relate to what
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it's like when you don't have the money to even
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buy a sub sandwich. And I've spent my whole life
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bringing quality and efficiency to companies.
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That's my skill set. I mean, that's how I started.
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in the auto industry. I know that I was with
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Borg Warner at the time when the auto industry was
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in severe trouble. Japanic come in with tremendous quality and
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they were making their car that was better, less expensive,
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and I thought I knew how to solve the problem.
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My background was mathematics, and I introduced statistical process control
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and we turned out the variation in four or five years.
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But the help of the people on the line, we
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have the best quality in the world, and I'm going
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to take that skill set and bring it to a
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government so they can relate to that. They know. I'm
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against these data centers because the data centers.
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Right now, I'm really in a.
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Severe problem because of the fact that we have these
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sound waves that are going and affecting babies. We don't
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know the cars of theogenic impacts, don't even know how
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many data centers we even need, so I recommended that
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we have a moratorium on them to at least investigate.
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We have seventy of them right now. Four data centers
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have use up as much power as all of the
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homes in the entire state collectively. So you look at
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the electric bills and there go up, up, up, Well,
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that's part of the reason we'll have supply and demand.
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But we have a situation right now where I think
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they like the fact that you have an outsider, and
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having an outsider that is not really a politician is
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something that is appealing because of the fact that they
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can actually go in there and make sense out of
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our government. We started out with the budget of fifty
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six and a half billion, and if you had gone
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up at the rate of inflation, we'd now already be
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at a point where we could eliminate the state income
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tax of thirteen and a half. So I say, we
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staff the craziness that's going on, and we lean our government.
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And I gave a lot of examples of our idiotic expense,
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but one of them that is really extreme is the
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fact that we decided to allocate one point eight billion
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dollars to try.
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To create jobs in the MEPC.
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And they did a study about jobs. In fact, they
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did a study to see how effective their studies were,
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and they said that we're going to create twenty five
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seven hundred and fifty two jobs, not fifty three, but
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fifty two. They ended up creating six hundred and two jobs.
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That's three million.
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Dollars a job. And then when we take a look
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at education, one of our most important goals in its
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entire state, because nothing is more important than our kids,
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we had a situation where we allocated a billion a
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year to try to increase the reading level or improve
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the reading level of fourth graders and under that's certainly
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one of the most important goals we could possibly have.
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But not only did we not achieve that, we went
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from twenty six in the country down to forty fourth.
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And why did we do that?
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done to really affect that change. We decided to eliminate phonics. Well,
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how do you learn to read. You have to know
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what the letters sound like, and you have to know
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what vocabulary you have. So I started my kids at
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the age of one listening to the letter factory. Every
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letter makes us sound as the D says bah, and
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we need a program.
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Starting the kids at one and two. So they learned
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their their phonics.
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And I admit that my wife was yelling at me
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because I was playing this thing all the time.
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That was driving me enough.
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Yet nevertheless, my kids learned to read at a very
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young age. I have two seventeen year olds and a
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twenty two year old. I wanted to stay in the state.
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We eliminate the income text we improved the school system.
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Suddenly we have a very attractive environment for everyone. We
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do that and our kids aren't going to leave the state.
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We'll ignite the state just like every other state. It
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eliminated the income tax. We have an opportunity to bring
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people from Chicago here in the financial industry where they're
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paying four point ninety five percent every time they sell
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the stock. They don't mean to move to Florida or Texas.
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They can move right here when we can start igniting
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the state. And it's amazing. You ignite the state and
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suddenly everybody benefits. Land values go up, housing values go up.
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You get more money from sales tax, more money from
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gas tax, and you eliminate that income tax. Suddenly we
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have this beautiful state and they know I can do it.
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You know that.
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Those tax pieces probably the biggest piece of the conversation,
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along with data centers that we're hearing about.
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And I think you've nailed it.
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You've also mentioned the audit that you want to do,
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the big meta audit.
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You start with the mega efficiency audit.
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That's what I do.
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You have to start by first assessing the situation. You
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can't just row money at something saying okay with us,
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really knowing where the weaknesses are where you can make
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the improvements and.
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What to target.
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I mean, sometimes if we get nutty, you have a
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billion dollars a year was allocated to try to improve
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the reading level. Think of it, a billion a year.
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We spent eight billion dollars to try to improve the
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quality of reading for fourth graders and under, and we
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went from twenty sixth in the country down to forty fourth.
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So I mean you first assessed the situation.
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Look at the roads.
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Didn't she run on fix the damn roads? And we're
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constantly fixing the roads. Are they any better? Because you
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have to evaluate what needs to be done. One of
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the biggest expenses we have on roads is labor. So
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wouldn't it make sense that we just improve the quality
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of the materials we have making the roads so they
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last longer and we don't have to have them redone
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every two or three years. Some times we just don't
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do things that make sense. And of course this is
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my business. I understand a politician isn't expected to do that.
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But the beauty of this is if I lean the government,
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I can, with the stroke offense of a pad eliminate
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or reduce any of three taxes, the sales tax, the
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gas tax, or the income tax. I do not need
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the Congress. The Congress appropriates the money. If I find
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a way to make it more efficient, that's it. We
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do that, we ignite the state. Then we get to
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the property tax. I know that requires a constitutional amendment,
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but it's not reasonable that somebody turns sixty five and
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because we have these onerous taxes, they have to move
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out of their home and they can't afford to live there.
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That's just not right and we have to change that,
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and we will. When I'm Governor.
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Barry Johnson with us right now and he's crisscrossing the state.
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Not only will you be in person all throughout the
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state as you have been over the next several days
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up until well election day.
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In fact, people are already voting.
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We have people in the chat saying they've already voted
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for you with the early voting and the absentee as well.
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But you're also you've got to do something a little
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different today. It's a tell rally. Can you tell us
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about a little bit about the tell rally and what
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folks can expect.
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so we have arranged these various phone calls across the
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entire state, and that way I get an opportunity to
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talk to more and more people. When I go and
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visit these places, we are now packed, as you can see.
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I mean, it's almost to the point I'm being comical.
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We go to the spots and we have so many
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people we can't even fit the people in to the
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place as I'm in, and I want to talk to
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as many people as possible. And the strategy is quite simple.
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This way I can reach a lot more people because
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at least they can hear me. Maybe they can't see me,
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but they can.
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At least hear me.
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And that way I can get my team all the
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way across. And that's the idea that we have. So
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we're systematically doing that across the state. And the beauty
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is that sometimes it's pretty hard to know a candidate
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without hearing something about him.
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You just see this commercial. You don't know.
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You know, my dad was a pilot in World War Two.
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My mom was a nurse in the army.
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Wax and they entered this New Year's Eve party in
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Europe and they were each engaged to someone else.
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But it was one heck of a party. And I'm
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here today because of it. When I say that it's.
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Really great, my dad from the time I was born,
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told me that when you're born in America, you've already
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won the lottery. And I felt that because it's such
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a great country, and I want to make sure that
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we continue to keep it this great country. If you
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work hard and you put your mind to it, anything
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is possible in America.
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And that's the beauty. And I want people to.
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Remember that, because once we lose America, there is no
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other America.
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Very good point, you know, Perry Johnson, you have you've
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run before, You've seen what this can be like. You've
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been on the other side of this issue. I have yet,
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particularly from the election integrity a standpoint, The.
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Election integrity is well, yeah, because what happens is really simple.
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You have a very interesting scenario. The Democrats do everything
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in their power to maneuver, and there are they have
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the most complicated system in the world of trying to
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get onto the ballot, and they they kicked Ralph off
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the ballot ran for example, he's now campaigning with me.
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They kicked him off, and he certainly had the signatures.
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They couldn't even find one phony signature and yet they
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kicked him off the ballot despite the fact that he
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not only hit the fifteen thousand.
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He exceeded it.
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I think he had like sixteen and a half thousand
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or seventh plus to seventeen thousand, and they just decided
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to kick him off. I mean, it's just amazing. With
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Gozad we have we just have all these rules. That's
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why we were concerned when we found out that John
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James got two hundred and sixty thousand dollars from the
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taxpayers for his ads. And he got this because he
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claimed he met this requirement. But when they looked at
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the filings, one of the attorneys pointed this out. This
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is a person running for attorney general. He pointed out that.
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He didn't meet the requirements. When you looked at the.
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Filings, he really only had fifty thousand dollars in some
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odd change, so a little under fifty one thousand. In
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order to be able to qualify for this two sixty
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and you really needed seventy five thousand dollars in donations
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of one hundred dollars or less. And so the Sectary
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of State gave them the two sixty And that may
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really be a problem. Because it violated the basic rules
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for getting the taxpayers two hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
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And who even knows what the Democrats could end up
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doing with that down the road, But that's the kind
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of game that they play, and of course in this case,
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it is intention election integrity, and that's a dangerous thing
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because you have rules to follow that when you're taking
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taxpayer money that I think should be followed. So when
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you don't follow them, you probably should at least refund
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that money because it's not right. That's the kind of
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thing that we have to look out for. But we
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are in a position right now where we have a
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state that has been losing population year after year. We
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have ten point one million people in our state. If
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we had grown at the rate of the other states,
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we'd be at fourteen and a half million. At one time,
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we had nineteen congressmen. Now we have thirteen. When Gretchen
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took office, we had fourteen. We lost the congressman because
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we lost the popularity. All of this is really very,
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very negative, and we need to start realizing that our
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kids have to stay here. Think of how many kids
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or grandkids have gone to other states because we have
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not had the economy that's vibrant enough for them to stay.
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We have five hundred and fifty thousand students within a
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fifty mile radius of Metro Detroit, and we lose forty
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percent of these students within the first five years. And
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that's the sin. One time we were a vibrant state,
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and we can be a vibrant state again. What we
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need to do is the state income tax, make it
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attractive for companies to come here, for people to stay here.
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Let's have the right to work lock paths, so we
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don't coerce people to join the unions, because when you
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do that, you immediately make it a negative for companies
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to want to come here. And when I talk to
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companies about relocating, three out of four companies automatically cross
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us off the list just because.
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Of the right to work lack.
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So we've done things to make everything unpleasant for companies
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to come here. We make it complicated. We have all
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this paperwork that's done, We do things that are inefficient.
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We have to have a way of making it attractive
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for companies. And the beauty is when it's attractive for
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companies and you create jobs, you suddenly have an environment
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where people want to come to Michigan, want to stay
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in Michigan.
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And frankly, we.
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Have the most beautiful state in the Union. I've transversed
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the state from one end to the other multiple times.
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Is not a single state in the Union that is
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more picturesque, has more beauty than this beautiful state of Michigan.
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It's truly amazing. We have more fresh water than any place,
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We have more lakes than any place in the entire state, country,
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and really in the world. And you take a look
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at the magnificent state, it's almost like we have different
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parts of the country within our own state, and it's
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just a wonder. So we'll let us reignite this state
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and let's make it a great state again because it
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can be the greatest state in the Union once again.
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Perry Johnson is running for governor and the primary date
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is next Tuesday. You can find out more obviously the
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website ready to go.
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We've got that Parry Johnson dot com.
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There you go, Perry.
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One last quick question from someone who's really strongly considering
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a vote for you. Chuck is asking about your opinion
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Second Amendment and open carry, and.
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Oh, I'm as you know, the libertarians have endorsed me
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because I'm totally for freedom. In fact, I was at
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the gun range yesterday. Yes, I'm a constitutional carry. I
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believe that freedom is the single most important foundation for
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this country, and I think we can never forget that.
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That's why I was so against the kill switch. Think
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about it, We're mandating kill switches in all cars starting
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next year, every new car will have to be a
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kill switch which can be controlled by AI. And you
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have China and Russia that's been hacking us with AI.
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Every major hospital in this country has been hacked, without
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exception at least once. Virtually everyone's been hacked twice. They
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could literally just take over our car. So anything that
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takes away our freedom is something that is contrary and
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anti American. So yes, I am very much second Amendment.
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I'm frankly, I'm for total freedom. And when John James
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voted against that, voted for that bill and voted against
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defunding the bill, he was the only Republican to do so,
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because the Republicans generally believe in freedom, and every single
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Republican was against that killswitch except John James. So yes,
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I'm a big one for freedom. We have to launch
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that freedom is key, and the Libertarians believe in freedom.
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Americans believe in freedom, and I want us to never
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forget that our forefathers began we leave in freedom. In fact,
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Patrick Henry led a charge, and he when he died,
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said give me liberty or give me death.
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Perry Johnson making the case here and of course the
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tell a rally happening today. You can find out more
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Perry Johnson dot Events and they've got that all lined
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up for seven thirty today. We've got the links, will
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share in all of that online as well, Perry Johnson
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dot com the website. Thank you, sir for taking the
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time to be here with us, and we'll talk soon.
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They could also go and watch the debates if they
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haven't to go to Perry Jadson dot com.
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Slash Debates and watch the debates there.
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You have it a great resources.
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Hey, save travels on your on your road today, whether
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it be virtually or pounding the pavement. We appreciate you.
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We know there's a few potholes out there. Yet there's
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still Dodge.
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I remember, I think a pothole of my murder years ago.
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She still hasn't quite gotten that done yet. Maybe you
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can maybe you can finish that that promise.
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I probably.
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Thank you, sir, Great, you've got it. Perry, you too,
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God bless you know.
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I will tell you folks, uh you know, you know
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I don't endorse. I I don't endorse when it comes
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to primaries. It just it's I feel like you have
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It's not my place. You have a brain, you can
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make your own decisions. But I'll tell you I enjoy
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talking to Parry Johnson.
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I really.
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I like him. I think he's sincere. And I'm gonna
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tell you this, what do you vote for him or not?
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Whether I vote for him or not, it is nice
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to see someone who cares about the state again, someone
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who doesn't have to be involved, doesn't have to get involved.
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But you hurt his motives for his family, obviously, the
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significance portion of leaving a legacy. You know, he wants
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his kids to stay here. They're at that age where
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they can grow up and go wherever. But I will
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tell you that that is refreshing.
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Again.
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It's something that we saw on the president. And you know,
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the president somebody didn't need to get involved, didn't need
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to be active in this, in all of this, and
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yet look at the price, he's paid for it, so uh,
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I'll say that just just like I said, and and
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uh and Terry saying in the in the chat, very
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likable guy.
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So there you have it.
