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Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a great
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show for you today, a great interview, a dear friend
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of mine. You will recognize his voice, his face, his style,
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and his interior design from famous people's homes to hotels
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to all around the world, Martin Ballard. Martin Lawrence Ballard, decorator,
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interior designer, TV host.
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Reality Star.
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All those things.
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Dog Dad.
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Yes. Most importantly, the Dog Dad.
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Palm Springs Toast of the Town.
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Thank you. I'm so glad we finally did this. We've
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been friends for so long.
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I love this intro. You need to be my new PR.
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God. I love it.
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You know, for those of you that might not know
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who you are, and I don't know how you would know,
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you really came onto the scene to the Bravo crowd
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when you did your show Million Dollar Decorator.
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Yes.
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They first had Million Dollar Listing, then they had Million
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Dollar Decorator, and we followed you plus a few others
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doing these homes.
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But that only lasted, what, like one or two seasons?
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Three seasons.
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Oh, three seasons.
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Yeah, we were on for three years. Actually, it's still on.
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It's on Peacock right now.
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Peacock, yes.
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Which is wild all these years later. It was amazing
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because it was the first time there was a reality
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show with real decorators, with real decorating, with real people
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ever on TV. So it kind of really changed the
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format and the way people saw it. And, you know,
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I got to have, you know, we had great people
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on there. I had like Sharon Osbourne and people like
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Daisy Fuentes and Lindsay Lohan. And we had all these
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kind of interesting people that actually let me film with them.
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And so the public got to see this, not just
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the usual, you know, glue gun madness that you see
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on home decorating shows. This was real true decorating TV
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and all the dramas in the mix.
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Right.
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And I think, you know, in doing it, you have
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a very unique, like bold style, but then you make
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it special for each person.
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But I feel like if someone's going to.
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Hire you, they're not going to get some bland restoration
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hardware kind of a look, even if that's the look
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that everybody's doing. And has it ever been hard where
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you have a client and it's like you just are
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not vibing with what they're asking for?
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Like, how do you make that work?
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Yeah. The extraordinary thing in my career is that I've
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gotten to work with unbelievable people, incredible celebrities, you know,
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heads of state royalty. So everybody's got their own vibe,
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their own style, their own thing that they want. And
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for me, it's been the most important thing to kind
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of get into their heads and extract their, their decorative fantasies.
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Now I've had one or two along the way. I had,
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I had an Arabian prince once that wanted to gold
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leaf his garage. So when he drove his car in,
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he was in a golden glow.
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With like real gold.
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With real gold, which was so mad. And not, you know,
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not the most tasteful experience. But then I've gotten to
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work with people like, you know, Sir Elton John and
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David Furnish that have the most extraordinary homes, the most
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incredible art collections, and are extraordinary people. Yeah. Cher, for instance.
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You know, when I first got to work for Cher,
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it's kind of mad. She said to me, babe, I
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want to decorate my house like a, I want to
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be a Buddhist behaving badly.
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That is a great.
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That was my bad Cher impression. Okay, I'll do it
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for you.
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Babe, I want to just be like a Buddhist behaving badly.
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I want you to walk in and be like, what
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is this? But I'm comfortable and peaceful.
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You got it.
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It was crazy, but amazing. Imagine having somebody.
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Was that her beach? Was that the Malibu house?
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Yeah, that was the Malibu. So imagine somebody saying that
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to you. It's so fun to have these mad things
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that you can come up with.
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Yes. And how does it work?
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Now, obviously, your clients are very, you know, of a
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wealthy level. How do you talk budget with someone?
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What is that?
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I mean, is everybody.
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Like, the sky's the limit? Or do they say, hey,
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I only want to spend... you know, 50,000 on this room.
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I want the majority to be in this room. And
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of course it's different if you're pulling out a kitchen
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versus we're going to paint the walls, wallpaper and, you know,
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furnish it.
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Everybody has a budget at the end of the day. Even,
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even the richest people. I mean, I've got people that
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are worth 20 billion right now and they still have
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a budget. You know, they still, I'm not going to
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start presenting million dollar chandeliers. You know, they're going to
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freak out. So you've got to understand the value of
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money and, It's really important for me, actually, to give
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a service where people understand the value of it at
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the end of the day. Whether your budget is $ 200, 000
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or $ 20 million, you've got to make sure that it
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feels right and somebody is actually getting the right value
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out of it at the end of the day. Again,
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I create magic, I create lifestyle, and we give people
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new lives because that's what your home can do to you.
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You know, it gives you a new sense of who
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you are.
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And that is invaluable. But there are budgets.
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There are budgets.
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Sadly. Sad but true.
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This is the cover of Sunset Magazine. And this is
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you in your Palm Springs home.
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Yes.
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That I've been lucky enough to go many times for
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fabulous parties during Modernism Week because this is one of those...
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Is your home, your home is one of, how do
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you say it? Like the historical?
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Yeah, it's a listed American landmark.
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It's a great mid-century house. You know, as you know,
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the history of it was, it was originally Roger Moore,
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who was one of the great James Bonds. And then
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it was Hugh Hefner's. So it was like the playboy
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in the desert for a while. Obviously I had to
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scrub that pool before I got in it. Actually, one
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of the great stories is I was having dinner with
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Joan Collins.
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I've been in the pool.
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You've been in that pool.
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I love the pool.
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I was having dinner with Joan Collins one night. And
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I said, well, I've just bought a house in Palm Springs.
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And she went to me, oh, darling, I remember swimming
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naked in that pool. That's amazing. Isn't that divine?
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I love it.
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And you guys, you and your husband, partner, Michael, you've
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had this house for quite a while.
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Every time I go there, though, it feels like you
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still are doing a little something. How is your own house?
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You did it. Every room looks great. Everything is perfect.
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How do you just go, like, we're good? Or when
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are you not good? Or how often do you change it?
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There is never a finish. I'm never at the finish line.
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There's always something new that I've seen that I love or...
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a piece of art I want to change. You know,
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it's like all of us. Every day we're new people. Right?
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You wake up in the morning, you might feel completely
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different than the way you did yesterday. So my interiors evolve. Plus,
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I'm a complete spendaholic maniac, so I'm always out buying
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something or the other. I've got to work out where
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it's going to go in one of my houses. But again,
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I love it. I'm a collector. I really enjoy that,
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and it gives me great joy to keep decorating.
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When have you ever had... something where they say, just
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do it, just do it. Take this, I love what
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you do. And, and they're not happy.
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Have you ever.
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Had a, like, I'm sure it wasn't often, but have
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you ever had a time where someone just wasn't really
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that thrilled?
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I mean, I've had the odd thing where someone didn't
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like a sofa or something along the way, but I
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think the craziest story is I did a TV show
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in England called Hollywood Me.
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Hollywood what?
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Hollywood Me.
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Where I picked up like a kind of a wonderful,
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deserving person, like a policewoman or something on the street.
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And I sent her to Hollywood for a makeover. And
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while she was in Hollywood, I redid their home.
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Oh, okay. I like that.
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And they came back and they didn't know this was
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going to happen. And they're all dolled up, you know,
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sort of had the hair done and the vagina steamed
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and all the Hollywood stuff. And they suddenly come home
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and they've got a whole new house. Well, I had
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this guy that was obsessed with... some rap guy that
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he loved. And we sent him to Hollywood and he
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got to meet this guy, Busta Rhymes. He got to
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meet Busta Rhymes, but his dream had always been to
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live in a castle. Now he lived in a very
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small sort of two up, two down little house, a
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council house they're called in England, which means they're sort
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of subsidized by the government. And so I went in
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and turned this little thing into a castle. Stone blocked
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the walls. I went to some local auction. I bought
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like a, I have to admit, it was plastic, but
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like a suit of armor. And I mean, the whole thing,
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it was hilarious. And when he came back, I was
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dressed as like a knight, you know, greeting him outside
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with my helmet and everything. Well, he walked in Oh,
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my God. And he cried. He was like, this is
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the best thing I've ever seen. I can't believe it.
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Then the wife came and then she really cried because
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she hated it. She was like, what is this? What's happened?
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It's my family home. She said, I look like I
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live in Legoland.
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Legoland, totally.
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I can see that.
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Oh, my God. It was so dreadful. And it was
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all on camera.
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That's funny because I've seen some of those. Ones where they,
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on a budget, whatever, will redo a family room. And
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it's rare, but sometimes they're not into it. And I'm
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just always wondering, oh my god, as the interior designer,
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someone not loving it.
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When you look back at Million.
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Dollar Decorator, which was like, what, 17, 18 years ago?
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I think the first series was 14 years ago. OK.
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Like now when you look back at those designs or remember,
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do they stand today or does it look dated?
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It's interesting, actually. Saturday night, this Saturday, I just had
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dinner with Sharon Osbourne. And Sharon was on my first episode.
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And I redid an apartment for her and Ozzy. They
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were moving into Sierra Towers, which is a tower block
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building in Hollywood, a famous one, whilst they were redoing
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their big house. And they were going to be there
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for two years. And so we did it on the show.
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And Sharon said to me, oh my God, she said,
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you know, I loved that apartment. It was so cozy
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and comfortable, kind of now on my own. You know,
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I wish I had something like that again. So I
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looked at it. I went back and looked at it.
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I looked at it yesterday. It's the first time I've
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seen that show in 10 years or something. And I
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have to say, it kind of stood the test of time.
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Like the furniture shapes weren't quite what I would do today.
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Yes.
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But it still felt right because it felt like them.
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It was a little rock and roll. It was, you know,
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it was the old sort of bat chandelier hanging around
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for Ozzy. But yeah. So but in general, I think
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decorating changes, you know, there are trends that happen every
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every season. But people invent trends to make money, you know,
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like like like like, you know, a shop. Crate and
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Barrel or Williamson or whatever it is, will say, this
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season it's turquoise, next season it's orange. So it's to
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keep you buying.
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Right.
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The reality is I don't believe in trends. I believe
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that you should decorate to what you love and how
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you like to live. And I truly believe that modern luxury,
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the most important thing is comfort. So as long as
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you feel comfortable, that's the number one rule. So trends
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I don't go along with. I like to make the trends.
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I don't want to follow them.
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I mean, I like a big white, I like white, light, bright,
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you know, kitchen that overlooks the backyard.
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And that's what I have now.
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And I know that I want to do more to
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it because when we came, when we bought it, it
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was redone, you know, with the beautiful white cabinets and
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you know, classic, beautiful wood floors, white, everything was painted white.
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There was no furniture in it.
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And it's like, it's hard to like make the leap
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of going, well, do I do the dining room in
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the color drench? But then is that weird that the
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rest of the house is just white and bright and
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kind of classic?
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Like, how do you?
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I believe that you should have continuity in a flow in,
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in areas that flow into each other.
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Right.
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So if it's open plan, which I think mostly it is, right,
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from what I remember, really and truly, you need to
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have a palette that flows. But there's ways to introduce color.
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Art is really one of the most important ways. And
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art is very personal. Art is a real window into
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your own personality, which is why I love, when I'm
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working with people that have art collections, it's so amazing
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because you get to understand who they are almost from
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the very beginning. So art is a great way to
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put personality in. And things like pillows are, You know,
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pillows and throws. They're so inexpensive, you can buy a
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pillow for 50 bucks. It's a way to add color
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without making a big commitment.
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Yeah.
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It's like in your all-white living room, if you suddenly decide,
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you know what, how about trying a bit of navy blue?
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You know, buy a few navy blue pillows. Get a
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navy blue throw, throw it over the arm of the sofa.
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Or there's even all these wonderful sites like Ruggable. You know,
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I designed a line of washable rugs for Ruggable. Ruggable
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rugs are like 500 bucks. They're amazing. They're indestructible. it's
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an inexpensive way to add some color into a space.
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And if you hate it, you haven't blown your wad.
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Yeah, I think that's great. Dal, when you speak about art,
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what is your opinion of just having the TV change
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the art all the time? Does that just horrify you?
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Did you see the look on my face? I mean, listen,
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I love, in today's world, TVs are part of our lives.
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You and I have both made careers on TV. It's like,
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you know, we love it. So it's a feature that
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you can't hide. It's part of everyday living. And so
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I love those art TVs where you sync a piece
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of art on the TV and it sits there and
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it looks in the daytime like it's, you know, some
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beautiful painting or some gorgeous photo of a zebra or something.
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I think the ones that flash are very distracting and
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I don't think that's chic.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think if you're going to do it, stick to
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one image. You can change the image, but don't have
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it flashing.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? Keep it there for a while.
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Try and match it to your interior.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree with that.
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So what would you say to someone who is starting
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out as an interior design? What's your biggest tip to
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someone that's doing it? How do they approach a client?
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so that we're all on the same page, you know,
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and they can kind of control the client or stick
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with it so they're not being, you know, run over.
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I think it's really, really important, though. So the most
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important thing is that when you're dealing with a client,
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you are there to try and make, as I said earlier,
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their decorative fantasies come true. So you want to get
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to know them. You want to understand what they love,
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what it is they want. I ask a bunch of questions.
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So I ask, You know, what do you like about
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your present house or present apartment? What do you dislike
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about it? What do you love in your best friend's house?
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What's your favorite restaurant? What's your favorite hotel to go to?
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All those things become like a little thread that you
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can put together and make a tapestry that becomes the
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image that is them. Now, when I say what's your
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favorite restaurant, you know, they may say, oh, it's Spargo
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or Ciccone's or Pizza Hut, whatever it is. It might
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not be because of the food. It might be because
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of the lighting. It's the way it makes them feel.
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Do they feel sexy in that dim light? Or do
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they love the color of that booth that they sit in?
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So you can suddenly extract all these bits of information.
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And each part is part of the jigsaw puzzle. And
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that's how you kind of get not only to understand them,
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it's how you get the confidence with them to trust you.
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That when you're going to do your presentation, that actually
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represents them course it has to represent you too because
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they've hired you for your taste but it has to
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be part of them and that's how you get a
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Yeah. Now let's go back a little bit to how
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you got started.
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Like, did you have a calling? Were you decorating homes
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at five? Like, how did this become a thing where
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you're like, this is my gift?
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I don't know if I was decorating homes at five,
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but my mom said that she remembers that I used
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to take, Do you remember cassettes that were in those
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little like plastic things?
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Yeah.
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One side was see-through, one side was black.
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Right.
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Apparently I used to take all their cassettes out from
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their music system and line them up and make houses.
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And then I would take all the dolls furniture out
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of my sister's doll's house and put it in these
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houses when I was like four or something. Crazy. But,
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you know, I didn't have any idea I ever wanted
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to do design. I basically, I wanted to follow, my
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dad had been an actor and an opera singer. When
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he was younger, I wanted to follow in those footsteps.
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I'd always loved that kind of theatrical energy. My dad
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had another idea. He thought it was a very bad idea.
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It was a very hard industry. It was a very
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hard thing to do. And they paid all this money
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for me to have this smart education. But by the
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age of 12, I convinced him every Saturday to rent
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me a stall in a market called Greenwich Market in
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the south of London. And I would take my little
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bit of allowance money, whatever it was, $ 10 or something,
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And I'd run around first thing in the morning with
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a torch to other people's stalls and see what I
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thought was pretty. Maybe it was a cup and saucer.
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Maybe it was some silver spoon. Sort of a bunch
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of junk, but pretty. I'd buy it. And then I'd
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put it on my own stall. And I'd wait for
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the sun to come up and the American tourists to come.
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And you were 12 doing this?
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I was 12. And then I'd spin them a story about,
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you know, oh, the queen just had her morning breakfast
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tea out of this cup. And, of course, you know,
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and I'd sell it at a profit. And it was amazing.
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And people would be mesmerized by this, like, you know,
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kid selling this cup that apparently had just been nicked
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out of Buckingham Palace. So it was wild. I mean,
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I'm still spinning those stories now, but it's for a
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bit more money.
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That is crazy.
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So I did that from 12 until I was 16.
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And by the time I was 16, I'd made enough
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money that I could pay my own way to go
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to drama school. So that summer, I put myself through
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the summer course at RADA, the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts.
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And by the time I was 17, I ended up
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enrolling in the Lee Strasberg Theatre School in London. And
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I did that. All the time, going to these markets
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and still buying and selling things. At this point, I'd
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kind of graduated to silver or jewelry, things that were
489
00:24:03.970 --> 00:24:05.730
easy to carry. So I didn't have to have like
490
00:24:05.890 --> 00:24:09.630
big boxes. And I kept doing that, kept making money
491
00:24:09.650 --> 00:24:14.309
and supported myself through all of that. And I didn't realize,
492
00:24:14.390 --> 00:24:18.119
but that sort of precocious child that was there, you know,
493
00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:21.099
making money and having fun, it was really my education
494
00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:26.440
because I got to learn what period was something, what
495
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.400
was a silver mark, what was Regency, what was Edwardian,
496
00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:32.839
what was Victorian. And that really got to learn how
497
00:24:32.900 --> 00:24:37.140
you put two objects together and make them look better.
498
00:24:38.059 --> 00:24:39.460
And that's what you do on a store when you're
499
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.279
selling in a market. You put two things together and
500
00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:44.299
you make them prettier. And that's what you do in
501
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.960
a house. You put things together to make a beautiful picture.
502
00:24:48.819 --> 00:24:51.329
And that was my education. It's been my only education
503
00:24:51.369 --> 00:24:54.890
to this job. Yeah. And so eventually, you know, I
504
00:24:54.930 --> 00:24:56.190
modeled for a little bit and I did all this
505
00:24:56.210 --> 00:24:58.950
stuff and commercials and things in England. And eventually when
506
00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:00.730
I was 21, I thought I'm going to Hollywood, I'm
507
00:25:00.750 --> 00:25:04.769
going to be a star. And so. In your early 20s.
508
00:25:04.769 --> 00:25:04.930
21.
509
00:25:04.930 --> 00:25:05.190
Okay.
510
00:25:05.869 --> 00:25:11.589
Moved to Hollywood. And I ended up doing another season
511
00:25:11.609 --> 00:25:17.750
at the Lee Strasberg. And then I hit the pavement. And,
512
00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:22.630
of course, it wasn't easy. I worked in a coffee
513
00:25:22.650 --> 00:25:25.059
shop for a day until I blew the cappuccino machine
514
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.940
up because I was flirting with someone. Got fired immediately. Just,
515
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:35.869
you know, the usual crazy stories. Right. eventually I got
516
00:25:35.930 --> 00:25:38.890
cast in a movie called I Woke Up Early the
517
00:25:38.930 --> 00:25:41.599
Day I Died where I played Eartha Kitt's boy toy.
518
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:48.559
I was like her pianist. It was hilarious. And I
519
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:54.480
befriended the producer on set. And at that point, I mean,
520
00:25:54.509 --> 00:25:56.529
I really had no money, but I'd rented this really
521
00:25:56.750 --> 00:26:01.950
crazy little house, like a little apartment that was behind
522
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.019
Pavilions Market in West Hollywood.
523
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:04.420
Yes.
524
00:26:04.779 --> 00:26:08.339
And that used to be Charlie Chaplin's movie theater, his movie,
525
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:09.960
where he made movies.
526
00:26:10.549 --> 00:26:11.720
The little house that you were renting?
527
00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:13.309
No, no, where Pavilions Market is.
528
00:26:13.549 --> 00:26:13.869
Oh, okay.
529
00:26:14.490 --> 00:26:16.930
The little house I was renting, he'd built as a
530
00:26:16.950 --> 00:26:21.230
dressing room for his star called Norma Talmadge. It's on
531
00:26:21.269 --> 00:26:24.029
a street called Norma Place now. And Norma Talmadge was
532
00:26:24.049 --> 00:26:27.309
a great silent movie star. Anyway, this was her dressing room.
533
00:26:27.329 --> 00:26:30.200
And so I rented this weird space, had really high
534
00:26:30.259 --> 00:26:32.329
ceilings and Small little rooms, because it had been a
535
00:26:32.369 --> 00:26:35.849
makeup room and a wardrobe room. And then later, I
536
00:26:35.890 --> 00:26:41.480
think in the 50s or something, it had become the
537
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.660
gambling den for Lucille Ball. She used to have all
538
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.579
her girls go over there and play cards. And it
539
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.140
had been Tallulah Bankhead's lesbian love nest.
540
00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:53.539
My God.
541
00:26:53.619 --> 00:26:59.279
And then it had been Judy Garland's little tiny house when...
542
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.519
She split from Sid Luft, I think it was, and
543
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:04.380
she had no money and she moved in there for
544
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.960
a little bit. I didn't know that until Lorna Luft,
545
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.940
her daughter, came one day to that little house to
546
00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:13.680
some barbecue thing I was having and recognized it. She said, oh,
547
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.170
my mum used to lean against that tree. It had
548
00:27:15.190 --> 00:27:17.349
a tree growing through the middle of the house. My
549
00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:20.130
mum used to lean against that tree and sing. So
550
00:27:20.150 --> 00:27:26.150
this place had this crazy, magical, mad history. Anyway, this producer,
551
00:27:26.190 --> 00:27:28.170
Victor Ginsberg, I told him about it and he was like,
552
00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:30.730
can I come see it? It sounds amazing. So he
553
00:27:30.769 --> 00:27:34.049
came with his then girlfriend, walked in, and he was like, wow,
554
00:27:34.069 --> 00:27:36.869
this place is amazing. Who decorated this? And I was like,
555
00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:39.519
who decorated it? I said, it's all junk that I
556
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.839
bought in the Rose Bowl flea market. I said, you know,
557
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.440
I had no money. I just bought these weird things again.
558
00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:49.019
He was like, well, I love it. I want you
559
00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:54.109
to come and decorate our offices, the Hollywood Filmworks. I
560
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.690
was like, my God, I was 22. I'd never heard
561
00:27:57.710 --> 00:28:03.089
of anything like it before. I went. I basically started
562
00:28:03.190 --> 00:28:06.670
to decorate. He had $ 30, 000, which I thought was a
563
00:28:06.769 --> 00:28:11.289
vast amount of money to decorate 5,000 square feet. Kind
564
00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:13.549
of hilarious. I buy lamps for that these days for people.
565
00:28:13.589 --> 00:28:16.089
But I mean, I managed to do the whole thing
566
00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:18.769
again from the flea market. I put like old Indian
567
00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:22.130
doors on the wall and beaten up club chairs from
568
00:28:22.150 --> 00:28:24.450
the flea market. And it was like a crazy it
569
00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:28.240
was like. out of Africa, goes to India via the
570
00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:31.980
Pasadena flea market. Yeah. But he loved it.
571
00:28:32.369 --> 00:28:32.650
Yeah.
572
00:28:32.809 --> 00:28:33.809
And I thought, oh my God, this is brilliant. He's
573
00:28:33.829 --> 00:28:37.210
going to put me in another movie. Well, literally the
574
00:28:37.250 --> 00:28:38.930
day it was finished, I got a phone call from
575
00:28:38.970 --> 00:28:41.069
a lady called Liz Heller. And she was like, I've
576
00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:43.910
just been to Hollywood Filmworks. I love it. Will you
577
00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:46.500
come decorate my offices? I'm in the Capitol building. I
578
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.500
was like, the Capitol building? Is that the White House?
579
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.619
You know, I had no idea what was going on.
580
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.930
Turned out, She was the president of Capitol Records. Her
581
00:28:56.990 --> 00:29:00.529
office was Frank Sinatra's old office. I went over there.
582
00:29:00.589 --> 00:29:04.410
We clicked immediately. And I, of course, in my crazy
583
00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:07.890
22-year-old brain thought, oh, my God, I can sing. Maybe
584
00:29:07.910 --> 00:29:09.849
I'll decorate and I'll be singing songs while I'm doing it.
585
00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:12.049
And she'll give me a recording contract and I'll be
586
00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:16.200
a pop star. Well, anyway, it turned out I ended
587
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:21.539
up doing her office, doing her house. At her wedding,
588
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.299
she sat me next to Cheryl Teague's. who was the
589
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.329
world's first ever supermodel. By the end of the wedding,
590
00:29:28.349 --> 00:29:32.150
Cheryl hired me. Nine months later, we were on the
591
00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:34.549
cover of six magazines around the world, and my career
592
00:29:34.589 --> 00:29:38.369
was born. By the time I was 24, I had
593
00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:45.440
on my books, Sigourney Weaver, Rebecca Romaine, a 16-year-old, Christine Ragalera,
594
00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:51.029
Edward Norton, and Sam Hayek. We were together at that point.
595
00:29:51.509 --> 00:29:53.769
And when did you get to a place where you're like,
596
00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:56.029
I need to have people under me?
597
00:29:57.009 --> 00:29:58.069
And was that difficult?
598
00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:00.589
I didn't even know how to balance a checkbook. I
599
00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:03.670
kind of still don't, to the horror of my accountant.
600
00:30:04.150 --> 00:30:08.609
But yeah, it was crazy. So I think within a year,
601
00:30:08.630 --> 00:30:11.710
I realized I needed other people because I didn't know
602
00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:14.410
what I was doing. And so I ended up taking
603
00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:16.410
a partner for a while and I ended up bringing
604
00:30:16.490 --> 00:30:21.430
in staff. And it slowly built. And because I kind of,
605
00:30:22.059 --> 00:30:26.900
by some magic, fell into this celebrity world, once you're
606
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:30.470
in that, one celebrity changes to another. And you get,
607
00:30:30.809 --> 00:30:35.420
you go, you know, it's all word of mouth. And
608
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.380
so that's how it happens. And ended up being, you know,
609
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.940
working for Elton and Cher and, as you know, for
610
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.079
the Kardashians. I mean, that's how we met at one
611
00:30:44.140 --> 00:30:45.539
of their Christmas parties.
612
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.289
Yes. And then we were at the Joe Francis wedding.
613
00:30:50.309 --> 00:30:51.809
The crazy Joe Francis wedding.
614
00:30:51.950 --> 00:30:54.329
And Cheryl Teagues was there. And so then there was
615
00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:56.470
like another party at her house that I went to.
616
00:30:56.509 --> 00:30:58.720
And then we just, Yes. And then you're friends with
617
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.319
Lance Bass. And like, we just kept seeing each other
618
00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:04.960
at events and things like that and became friends. When
619
00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.039
you talk about that, you can sing and that you
620
00:31:08.059 --> 00:31:10.039
wanted to was like, I could be a singer, too.
621
00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:12.480
What is what was your relationship?
622
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.440
Because I vaguely remember you telling me this story, but
623
00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:18.940
you did have a significant relationship with George Michael, correct?
624
00:31:19.059 --> 00:31:22.240
Well, it dated him when I was like 19, probably. Yeah,
625
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.660
which was really amazing because he was a huge star then.
626
00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:27.470
But it was all very hidden, you know what I mean?
627
00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:29.970
He was deeply in the closet. Yes, I mean, I
628
00:31:30.009 --> 00:31:31.730
was in the closet. I barely knew what was going on.
629
00:31:31.730 --> 00:31:34.549
You know, as a teenage girl, Wham was like my
630
00:31:34.630 --> 00:31:36.549
first concert I ever went to.
631
00:31:36.650 --> 00:31:41.470
He was an amazing, amazing man. And, you know, that was,
632
00:31:41.750 --> 00:31:43.769
I mean, we were kids, but it was such a
633
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:47.289
fun thing. I was modeling at that point, too, so...
634
00:31:48.430 --> 00:31:50.130
We had these things in London when you were a model.
635
00:31:50.150 --> 00:31:53.369
You got a model pass, which was all the nightclubs
636
00:31:53.410 --> 00:31:55.950
just wanted pretty people to come in. So they gave
637
00:31:55.970 --> 00:31:58.950
you these free VIP passes. And there was a great
638
00:31:58.990 --> 00:32:03.759
club in London called Browns. And I used to go
639
00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:10.460
with my girlfriends to this particular club with our model passes,
640
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.809
get front of the line and straight in. And that's
641
00:32:13.829 --> 00:32:17.089
where I met George. And it was amazing. It was
642
00:32:17.130 --> 00:32:19.140
weird because we sort of looked alike back then.
643
00:32:19.180 --> 00:32:19.619
Yeah.
644
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:21.720
Yes, totally. It was the 80s, you know, shoulder pads
645
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:22.539
and long curly hair.
646
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:22.940
Yeah, yeah.
647
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.799
And so anyway, it was an amazing period of, you know,
648
00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:30.269
just a fabulous thing to have happened. Because not only
649
00:32:30.609 --> 00:32:33.109
was he an extraordinary guy, but I'm such a fan
650
00:32:33.150 --> 00:32:36.829
of his music. And still, I mean, that man really
651
00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:39.910
went too early because he was an unbelievable talent.
652
00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:42.759
And the music videos were like my favorite.
653
00:32:42.859 --> 00:32:43.039
Oh, yeah.
654
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.740
As a creative person, when you look at the creativity
655
00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.319
that George had, and you look at those videos, you know,
656
00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:56.519
he had Herb Ritt, you know, videographing those extraordinary things
657
00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:59.980
and directing them. Those were works of art. Yeah. True
658
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.650
works of art. And he's one of those artists whose
659
00:33:03.750 --> 00:33:08.329
music I'll never forget sitting there one day, just listening
660
00:33:08.369 --> 00:33:09.450
to him compose.
661
00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:10.470
It was wild.
662
00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:13.349
It just came to him. It was like magic. It's
663
00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:17.549
like watching Shakespeare write. Those songs are still so prevalent today.
664
00:33:17.569 --> 00:33:20.980
I just heard a remix that somebody did of Careless Whisper.
665
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.619
It was so amazing. It felt so fresh.
666
00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:25.819
And the Christmas song is the best ever.
667
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:27.079
Oh, my God. Incredible.
668
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.660
It's like that and Mariah Carey's are like the two
669
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.460
favorite Christmas songs of the last 30 years, you know?
670
00:33:34.369 --> 00:33:38.289
You mentioned the Kardashians. So how many of the Kardashians'
671
00:33:38.309 --> 00:33:40.390
homes did you do? Because I feel like you did
672
00:33:40.410 --> 00:33:41.109
almost everybody.
673
00:33:41.130 --> 00:33:43.319
All of them. I mean, the only one I didn't
674
00:33:43.339 --> 00:33:45.420
really do was Kim. We kind of did a fix-up
675
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.119
for her bedroom and got some bits and pieces along
676
00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:52.259
the way. But I did, obviously, first was Courtney, then Chloe,
677
00:33:53.539 --> 00:33:58.539
then Chris, then Kylie, and then Kendall. It was what?
678
00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:03.380
Kylie's story, which was the cover of Architectural Digest, was.
679
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.180
How old was she then?
680
00:34:05.180 --> 00:34:05.660
21, just.
681
00:34:05.809 --> 00:34:07.710
So it was like her first kind of first big thing.
682
00:34:07.730 --> 00:34:09.230
She had just made a billion dollars.
683
00:34:09.510 --> 00:34:10.909
Off the lip kits. Off the lip kits.
684
00:34:10.929 --> 00:34:16.059
Yeah. just pregnant with the first baby. It was her
685
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.599
first big real house situation up in Hidden Hills. And
686
00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:25.030
it was pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing to work for
687
00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:28.210
a 21-year-old with a billion dollars. I mean, I was
688
00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:30.070
very respectful of that. I didn't want to run around
689
00:34:30.849 --> 00:34:32.750
spending money on crap. I mean, we really did a
690
00:34:32.769 --> 00:34:35.840
beautiful design for her and a very particular design. I mean,
691
00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:38.719
And it was very personal, even things like her dining chairs,
692
00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:42.449
her leather dining chairs. I had the leather custom dyed
693
00:34:42.789 --> 00:34:45.289
to match each one of her best-selling lip kit colors.
694
00:34:46.309 --> 00:34:47.309
That is brilliant.
695
00:34:47.349 --> 00:34:50.590
Yeah, everything was very, very, like, perfectly done for her.
696
00:34:51.309 --> 00:34:54.139
But that story, which ended up on the cover of
697
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:57.219
Architectural Digest with her in this amazing Marc Jacobs dress,
698
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.679
is still the biggest interior design story in history. It
699
00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:06.510
got 1.6 billion views. within the first 36 hours. That
700
00:35:06.530 --> 00:35:10.610
has never happened before or again. Power of the Kardashians.
701
00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:12.750
I mean, absolutely.
702
00:35:12.789 --> 00:35:15.889
So now, and doing, working with all of them, and
703
00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:20.909
I'm not trying to make the sisters fight, but personalities
704
00:35:20.989 --> 00:35:22.469
match or working with someone.
705
00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:27.639
Who was the easiest? Or who was, did you feel
706
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:29.139
like you connected with the best?
707
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.719
Honestly, Courtney had done kind of a crazy house before
708
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.699
that was like very mad. And when you're young, you
709
00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:39.219
do mad things. When she came to me, she'd seen
710
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.739
other houses that I'd done. She'd spent time in those
711
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.099
Joe Francis houses in Mexico and seen all of that.
712
00:35:44.139 --> 00:35:47.719
And she had really kind of, you know, those guys
713
00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:49.320
have been exposed to the best of the best now
714
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.039
all over the world. And so she was really already
715
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.639
educated into the idea of wanting a more sophisticated home.
716
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.659
And so we really did something beautiful. I got her
717
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.050
to collect important mid-century furniture. I got her to start
718
00:36:01.070 --> 00:36:04.650
a real art collection. We went and visited art galleries together.
719
00:36:05.210 --> 00:36:07.969
And so that was wonderful because it was a learning
720
00:36:08.030 --> 00:36:11.550
process and it saw somebody evolving and their taste evolving.
721
00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:14.550
And she's passionate about designs. That was really fun. And,
722
00:36:14.710 --> 00:36:19.769
you know, Chloe's fun and wild and crazy. And that
723
00:36:19.809 --> 00:36:21.929
was great. great. And we did kind of a Moroccan-y
724
00:36:22.389 --> 00:36:25.849
thing in her house that was very sexy and loungy. And,
725
00:36:25.869 --> 00:36:29.449
you know, that's kind of her personality. Kylie was young.
726
00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:33.500
So that was fun in the kind of educational moment
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of creating a home for a young person that still
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had real essence. Because Kris has got fabulous taste.
729
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Right. Agreed.
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But she's mama bear. So she really oversees everybody and everything.
731
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I feel almost like she has the last say in
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all of it. And so Chris was there guiding the
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train on the tracks with that one. But it was
734
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really fun. I tell you the one who has the
735
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most individual taste and cool taste is Kendall. Kendall's a
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super cool girl. She knows what she likes. She's got
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her own signature taste. Which she's continued to do in
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houses that she's done, you know, since I stopped working
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for her and she moved to other decorators. She's done
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that because she wanted to experiment and see and feel
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Yeah, I think it's so interesting.
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You know, way back in the day, before the Kardashians
813
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were on TV, I was a realtor and I sold
814
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Kourtney her condo.
815
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Did you? I didn't know that.
816
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And it was a very cute, like, townhome. And, you know...
817
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And Chris was there and she was like, oh, you know, Courtney,
818
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you could put this here and this here.
819
00:41:47.949 --> 00:41:49.829
And she was just like– and it was just that
820
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mother-daughter thing where she– I remember she was like, mom,
821
00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:54.190
I'm not making.
822
00:41:53.949 --> 00:41:57.050
My house look like yours. And it's true.
823
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It's like when you have your own thing, you just
824
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.320
assume like that's what I like. And as you get
825
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older and you are successful as they are, then it's
826
00:42:07.579 --> 00:42:10.940
really cool that they– you know, can enjoy their own
827
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style and.
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All of that.
829
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.909
But what did you think when, like for me, when
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Kim was with Kanye and we're hearing these stories of
831
00:42:22.489 --> 00:42:25.769
how they got all the Italian marble and then we're
832
00:42:25.789 --> 00:42:29.170
pulling out the Italian marble and there's, you know, there's
833
00:42:29.269 --> 00:42:31.420
no color and it's this insane asylum.
834
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:32.500
Did you ever go to that house?
835
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.460
I never went to that house. I only saw photos
836
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and stuff.
837
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:36.980
I mean, I went to that house and it was
838
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very starved. I mean, it was Kanye. This wasn't Kanye.
839
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That's what I'm saying. That's why I kind of knew.
840
00:42:43.469 --> 00:42:47.610
It was Kanye-led, for sure. There was very little furniture
841
00:42:47.630 --> 00:42:49.030
in there. The pieces that were in there were kind
842
00:42:49.050 --> 00:42:54.489
of like museum quality. It did not feel livable. It
843
00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:58.269
felt very museum-like. It didn't feel like a house that
844
00:42:58.289 --> 00:43:00.690
you bring kids up in, that's for sure. And it's
845
00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:06.000
interesting because Kim has got a really loving, kind of
846
00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:10.860
wrap-your-arms-around-you kind of experience, especially with her family. And so
847
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:12.639
it was interesting to see it at home because it
848
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:13.389
felt so cold.
849
00:43:14.429 --> 00:43:17.329
It's so interesting that even someone at her level of
850
00:43:17.409 --> 00:43:25.050
success can get into a dynamic with a partner where, yeah,
851
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I was like, when they broke.
852
00:43:27.369 --> 00:43:31.150
Up, I was like, okay, good. Can she now dress herself?
853
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I want to see her sexy clothes again.
854
00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:36.670
I want to see her kind of embrace her own
855
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thing again a little bit because it's like we were
856
00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:41.840
all watching it And at that time, they were presenting
857
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.280
like everything was good.
858
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:48.849
But you were like, really? And I remember even when.
859
00:43:48.739 --> 00:43:52.530
The baby was born, Northwest, like it was in shopping
860
00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:55.650
for a gift, we were told, like beige, brown, or black.
861
00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:58.010
That's it. That's the only thing the baby will wear.
862
00:43:58.050 --> 00:44:01.750
And I remember thinking, this daughter's going to have her
863
00:44:01.789 --> 00:44:03.550
own style one day, and boy, does she now.
864
00:44:03.570 --> 00:44:05.630
But it was just– and.
865
00:44:05.610 --> 00:44:08.409
I was like, there's no way that Kim, who was
866
00:44:08.449 --> 00:44:12.469
like the most girly girl– is cool with like never
867
00:44:12.730 --> 00:44:16.190
allowing her daughter to wear pink or.
868
00:44:16.150 --> 00:44:17.210
Purple or yellow.
869
00:44:17.269 --> 00:44:20.030
I think, you know, when you're in love with somebody,
870
00:44:20.190 --> 00:44:24.030
you know, you get immersed in their world, immersed in
871
00:44:24.070 --> 00:44:30.840
that experience. And Kanye, as crazy as he may be,
872
00:44:32.050 --> 00:44:33.449
whether he is or isn't a lot of people think
873
00:44:33.489 --> 00:44:35.690
he is, but he's also a genius.
874
00:44:35.750 --> 00:44:36.429
Totally agree.
875
00:44:36.710 --> 00:44:40.650
He's super genius. His music's incredible. His lyrics are incredible.
876
00:44:40.670 --> 00:44:43.590
I mean, he's, he is a genius. And so when
877
00:44:43.610 --> 00:44:46.360
you have that around you, you get influenced by that
878
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.400
and it's overpowering. And by the way, he brought in
879
00:44:50.420 --> 00:44:53.679
the best of the best. He had extraordinary people like
880
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:58.530
Vincent Van Dyson and, and, um, uh, uh, my God,
881
00:44:58.550 --> 00:45:01.800
the Belgian, there's a fabulously famous Belgian decorator. I now
882
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.320
can't remember this name of who's extraordinary. They brought in,
883
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.179
they brought in amazing people to work with them. It's
884
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:13.760
just what Kanye wanted it to be very severe. Now,
885
00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:16.860
obviously Kim's warmed it back up. She's brought in her
886
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.280
great personality, her great style. And obviously she's still, she's
887
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.639
been educated by that experience with Kanye to understand great
888
00:45:24.860 --> 00:45:28.340
art and great things, and she's probably still incorporating all
889
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:29.099
that in her life.
890
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:29.860
Yeah.
891
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.420
The Kardashians, the Kardashian-Jenners, have been exposed to the best
892
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.019
of the best. They've been to the greatest houses. They
893
00:45:38.059 --> 00:45:40.900
know the wealthiest people. They've seen the most magnificent things,
894
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.920
been to the best parties, thrown the best parties. So
895
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:48.980
they've really educated themselves so much that now they're extracting
896
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:52.840
that into their own style. Listen, they're pretty extraordinary.
897
00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:56.500
Oh, I totally agree. I think it's amazing, you know,
898
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.139
what they've all built and it's fun to watch.
899
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.639
Well, you and I have seen it almost from the beginning.
900
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:05.860
Yeah, and I always was thinking, you know, as a mom,
901
00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:12.280
Chris was so smart. She created a business and a
902
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:17.699
way that literally, Kendall's the only one that I think
903
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.719
doesn't live in hidden hills. So, you know, she's got
904
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.539
five of her six kids living in.
905
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:27.000
This community with her.
906
00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:30.079
I'm like, this is a mom's dream to have your
907
00:46:30.099 --> 00:46:32.829
kids be successful enough that they're not living in your house,
908
00:46:33.269 --> 00:46:36.090
but they're living, you know, a five, 10 minute drive
909
00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:40.030
away and they're all working together. And then even if we,
910
00:46:40.309 --> 00:46:42.820
even if we're not having Sunday night dinner, we'll, we
911
00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:45.079
have to meet because we've quit filming a show or
912
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.639
we're getting paid and we'll just have our salads on
913
00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:51.449
camera and talk and And then sell the salads.
914
00:46:51.489 --> 00:46:55.110
Yeah, and sell the salads. It really is such a
915
00:46:55.150 --> 00:46:56.050
genius thing.
916
00:46:56.469 --> 00:46:59.210
And the reason it lasts is because they really are
917
00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:03.969
sisters and a family. And so it will continue on forever.
918
00:47:03.989 --> 00:47:08.349
And their bond's extremely tight. And Chris is a genius businesswoman.
919
00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:13.300
And people don't even know, they're very religious. People didn't
920
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.719
know that about them. They're very religious. So they have
921
00:47:15.739 --> 00:47:20.050
these really strong core values. I enjoyed so much working
922
00:47:20.090 --> 00:47:23.210
with them. I've enjoyed being friends with them. I've been
923
00:47:23.230 --> 00:47:27.610
on vacation with Chris. It was an amazing journey. The
924
00:47:27.869 --> 00:47:29.869
most extraordinary part of all of it is that obviously,
925
00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:31.670
I mean, and you and I were both on the show.
926
00:47:31.690 --> 00:47:33.269
We were both on Keeping Up With The Kardashians along
927
00:47:33.289 --> 00:47:37.110
the way. The most extraordinary part of it is that
928
00:47:38.650 --> 00:47:43.670
the connection with Kylie brought me a younger audience. So
929
00:47:43.710 --> 00:47:47.780
suddenly 12-year-old girls knew who I was. which has been wild.
930
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:48.579
Yeah.
931
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.219
You know, I was actually, I was in Paris like
932
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.989
five weeks ago at couture week. And, um, it's funny.
933
00:47:57.050 --> 00:47:58.650
We went, Oh my God, it was so hot. We
934
00:47:58.670 --> 00:48:00.289
went to the go to a show and I saw,
935
00:48:00.349 --> 00:48:02.050
I've been working with Cardi B and I saw Cardi
936
00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:04.460
B there. Whenever you say hi to it, as I
937
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.280
was walking out, um, a little girl stopped me. She
938
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.820
was like, I don't know, 18, probably a young lady.
939
00:48:12.860 --> 00:48:14.519
I should say not a little girl. She ran over
940
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.199
and she went to me. Oh my God. She said,
941
00:48:16.610 --> 00:48:18.969
I first saw you on, on the Kardashians when I
942
00:48:19.010 --> 00:48:20.650
was 12 and I've loved you ever since. And I've
943
00:48:20.670 --> 00:48:23.050
been following you. And I was like, my God, that
944
00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:24.909
is the power of the Kardashians. You know what I mean?
945
00:48:25.190 --> 00:48:27.869
Now I've got 12 year olds following me on Instagram.
946
00:48:27.909 --> 00:48:28.230
Right.
947
00:48:28.409 --> 00:48:29.590
Yeah. It's amazing.
948
00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:32.469
You know, when you talk about spirituality and everything, I,
949
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.179
and you're a spiritual person and I believe, you know,
950
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.980
and putting out energy and then I believe you get
951
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.170
signs from those who have passed on and, have there
952
00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:47.250
been any amazing like interior design stories where, you know,
953
00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:50.230
we're already, you told me how many kismet things have
954
00:48:50.269 --> 00:48:53.429
happened living in this Hollywood house and how your career went.
955
00:48:53.449 --> 00:48:55.690
And if you didn't do this, then this wouldn't have happened. And,
956
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:59.070
you know, all these, and I believe it's so great. Now,
957
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.380
as we get older, you start to almost connect. Like
958
00:49:02.139 --> 00:49:04.800
everyone has that. If you open your mind to it
959
00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:07.139
and see it and look for the signs and be grateful.
960
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.730
Do you have any like situations like that where.
961
00:49:11.449 --> 00:49:15.099
Yeah. I mean, By the way, weirdly, every single house
962
00:49:15.139 --> 00:49:19.389
that I own has had some extraordinary connection with it.
963
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:21.920
my old my old house i still own it actually
964
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.579
but my house in hollywood in old hollywood in whitley
965
00:49:24.619 --> 00:49:28.429
heights um was the home of gloria swanson.
966
00:49:28.750 --> 00:49:30.969
My mom's favorite movie.
967
00:49:30.550 --> 00:49:33.269
Rudolph valentine well she lived there when she shot sunset
968
00:49:33.309 --> 00:49:37.969
boulevard rudolph valentino and the famous writer william faulkner My
969
00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:39.289
house I live in now, have you been to my
970
00:49:39.329 --> 00:49:41.070
new house? Yeah, you've been to my new house. My
971
00:49:41.090 --> 00:49:41.349
house now.
972
00:49:41.409 --> 00:49:43.469
No, no, not in Beverly Hills. Oh, you haven't been
973
00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:43.829
to this one?
974
00:49:43.849 --> 00:49:47.510
No, it looks like I'm going this weekend. That house,
975
00:49:47.869 --> 00:49:49.989
Andy Warhol lived there. Tina Turner lived there.
976
00:49:50.010 --> 00:49:50.389
Wow.
977
00:49:51.130 --> 00:49:53.719
Dennis Hopper lived there. I mean, so all these houses
978
00:49:53.739 --> 00:49:56.280
have had these extraordinary people. I haven't known that when
979
00:49:56.300 --> 00:49:59.159
I bought them. It's just been something about that energy
980
00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:03.280
that somehow that creative energy draws you in and attracts
981
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:06.019
you to that. But I'll tell you a crazy story.
982
00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:08.670
You know, A lot of people don't believe in ghosts
983
00:50:08.710 --> 00:50:13.800
and things like that. I did this unbelievable house in Ireland.
984
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.150
Extraordinary 18th century property, magnificent restoration. It was one of
985
00:50:20.190 --> 00:50:23.789
my favorite projects because we got to shop the entire
986
00:50:23.829 --> 00:50:27.679
world to bring back. 18th and 19th century furniture to
987
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.400
Ireland that had been sold off at auctions everywhere else.
988
00:50:31.420 --> 00:50:34.380
And we brought it all back and restored this extraordinary house.
989
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.599
So anyway, we're installing it. I'm there with my little
990
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:41.360
assistant at the time installing this great big house. And
991
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.960
there was a bedroom that was at the end of
992
00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:52.079
the hallway, a smaller bedroom. And this beautiful old fireplace,
993
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:56.380
Victorian fireplace, had been walled up. And so I had
994
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.409
it opened so we could see the fireplace again and
995
00:50:58.449 --> 00:51:00.969
kind of restored it and decorated the room more beautiful.
996
00:51:02.289 --> 00:51:04.230
And I bought this gorgeous mirror that was the shape
997
00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:06.010
of a lyre. You know, a lyre is like an
998
00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:06.710
Irish harp.
999
00:51:07.010 --> 00:51:07.489
Yes, yes.
1000
00:51:07.949 --> 00:51:12.050
And so I had these big burly Irish delivery guys
1001
00:51:12.110 --> 00:51:14.820
and these big kind of, you know, Guinness drinking blokes
1002
00:51:15.530 --> 00:51:19.780
and doing all the install. And I suddenly heard from
1003
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.179
this room a scream. I thought, my God, whatever is that?
1004
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:27.679
Ran in. And this big burly guy who'd been up
1005
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.280
a ladder with another man next to him was hanging
1006
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.989
the mirror. And he was white. He was white as
1007
00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:37.829
a ghost. And the mirror was on the floor, way
1008
00:51:37.869 --> 00:51:39.670
over the other side of the room, smashed on the floor.
1009
00:51:41.469 --> 00:51:42.949
And he was like, oh, my God. He said, I
1010
00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:45.280
don't know what happened. He said, I was hanging the mirror.
1011
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.440
He said, and it came off the wall, hovered in
1012
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.659
the air and shattered in front of the fireplace, which
1013
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.489
was right across the other side of the room. It
1014
00:51:53.530 --> 00:51:55.139
wasn't like he dropped it. You could tell he hadn't
1015
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:59.019
dropped it. So we were like, wow, this is so crazy.
1016
00:51:59.059 --> 00:52:01.679
And he said, I don't know what it was. He said,
1017
00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:04.260
but I'm leaving. I can't be here anymore. He was
1018
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.469
a great big Irish guy. So we were like, God,
1019
00:52:07.530 --> 00:52:11.710
whatever's going on? Anyway, I did a bit of investigating.
1020
00:52:11.769 --> 00:52:16.289
It turned out that in the late 19th century, this
1021
00:52:16.309 --> 00:52:20.630
had been a nursery. And there'd been an Irish housekeeper
1022
00:52:21.349 --> 00:52:27.659
or Irish nanny who was a drinker and one of
1023
00:52:27.699 --> 00:52:30.360
the family's kids this baby i guess had colic or
1024
00:52:30.380 --> 00:52:33.400
whatever and wouldn't stop crying and she threw the baby
1025
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:37.820
in the fire and killed the baby and then she
1026
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:43.840
went down to the lake and drowned herself so this
1027
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.570
room had had the end at that terrifying energy And
1028
00:52:47.610 --> 00:52:49.809
so at some point they blocked up the fireplace because
1029
00:52:49.829 --> 00:52:52.170
they didn't want that happening. Of course, me not knowing
1030
00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:53.409
any of this had opened the fireplace.
1031
00:52:54.130 --> 00:52:54.929
Oh, that's right.
1032
00:52:54.949 --> 00:53:00.010
And released that crazy energy. And so, and we couldn't
1033
00:53:00.030 --> 00:53:03.760
get this room warm. We turned the heating on.
1034
00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:06.019
I've heard that about ghosts a lot.
1035
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:08.739
They can kind of control the heat or the air,
1036
00:53:08.780 --> 00:53:10.039
like how cold it is.
1037
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.309
Oh my God, it was so wild. So I... We
1038
00:53:14.349 --> 00:53:17.250
literally brought in the local priest and we did an
1039
00:53:17.289 --> 00:53:22.349
exorcism and got rid of the energy. And now the
1040
00:53:22.369 --> 00:53:24.110
family member that uses that bedroom all the time said
1041
00:53:24.139 --> 00:53:26.280
they've never felt anything weird or whatever, which I think
1042
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:30.320
we kind of helped move the spirit on. But isn't
1043
00:53:30.340 --> 00:53:31.480
that a crazy story?
1044
00:53:31.659 --> 00:53:32.360
Yes.
1045
00:53:34.019 --> 00:53:37.940
And it was literally, if it hadn't been that I'd
1046
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.119
walked in and seen this guy up on the ladder
1047
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:41.969
on the far side of the room, and seen this
1048
00:53:42.010 --> 00:53:43.969
mirror over on the floor. I wouldn't have believed it.
1049
00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:46.309
I would have thought he just broke it. But the
1050
00:53:46.369 --> 00:53:48.769
fact we found all that out afterwards, crazy.
1051
00:53:49.190 --> 00:53:51.989
Now, you know, with real estate and everything, you have
1052
00:53:52.030 --> 00:53:54.469
to disclose, at least in California, from our real estate days,
1053
00:53:55.260 --> 00:53:58.840
if someone died in the house, if it was a
1054
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.880
violent murder, I think you have to say it was.
1055
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.199
A violent murder. But if they died, like, you're not
1056
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:06.820
to say what it was. Because actually.
1057
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:09.949
they wanted to make sure that it wasn't people saying
1058
00:54:10.219 --> 00:54:12.340
someone died of AIDS, like in the 80s. So they're like,
1059
00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:14.940
if they died, you just have to say, hey, they died,
1060
00:54:15.019 --> 00:54:16.860
but you don't, they didn't have to disclose what they
1061
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.559
died from. But then of course, if there's like a
1062
00:54:19.579 --> 00:54:23.159
violent murder, like a, you know, Sharon Tate, whatever, people
1063
00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:26.500
know that. And would you buy a house, you know,
1064
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.800
that had like this violent history, but it's a gorgeous
1065
00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:32.059
house and it's a great view. And like the way
1066
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:36.699
that someone, you know, I always was like, well, I've
1067
00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:39.860
never been presented with that. But if it was the
1068
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:44.440
house of my dreams, for me, I think it's almost
1069
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.519
like Amityville Horror. I almost think if the crime matched
1070
00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:51.679
our family. Let's say it was the husband went crazy
1071
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.719
or the mother went crazy and killed everyone in the house.
1072
00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:57.179
No, I don't think I'd want to buy that house.
1073
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:57.960
You know what I mean?
1074
00:54:57.980 --> 00:54:59.539
I couldn't do it.
1075
00:54:59.639 --> 00:54:59.920
Yeah.
1076
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.190
I couldn't do it. If somebody has... a half-sack or
1077
00:55:04.329 --> 00:55:06.449
dies of old age and it was the house they loved.
1078
00:55:06.909 --> 00:55:08.989
You know, you get it, because it's life, it's part
1079
00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:12.050
of the journey. But a murder or something, I mean,
1080
00:55:12.269 --> 00:55:16.780
that RX show, American Horror Story, where they had that house,
1081
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.980
that crazy, which by the way, that house they filmed
1082
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.599
that in is supposedly haunted. It's like down by Hancock Park.
1083
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.079
It's a huge old mansion and it's super scary. And
1084
00:55:27.099 --> 00:55:30.630
it's been on the market forever. And so, you know,
1085
00:55:30.650 --> 00:55:33.090
and you see all those, I mean, that show freaked
1086
00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:34.739
me out. I couldn't watch that at home on my own.
1087
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.519
I can't really watch much of that stuff, too. That's
1088
00:55:38.539 --> 00:55:39.099
too scary.
1089
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.639
Like, I'm the person, I am scared by, like, ghosts
1090
00:55:42.699 --> 00:55:44.880
and devil and the priest has to come in and
1091
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.030
the exorcist, maybe because I was raised Catholic. Like, that
1092
00:55:47.090 --> 00:55:47.940
stuff scares me.
1093
00:55:47.969 --> 00:55:49.670
Yeah, it freaks me out.
1094
00:55:49.789 --> 00:55:50.030
Yeah.
1095
00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:53.530
Like, literally. I will never forget that house in Ireland.
1096
00:55:53.750 --> 00:55:53.949
Yeah.
1097
00:55:54.130 --> 00:55:55.630
I had to go and stay there one night on
1098
00:55:55.690 --> 00:55:58.849
my own in, like, a 20-bedroom house. I was petrified.
1099
00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:02.730
Absolutely petrified. I actually went to bed fully clothed because
1100
00:56:02.750 --> 00:56:03.829
I had to get up and run out in the
1101
00:56:03.849 --> 00:56:10.730
middle of the night. Yeah. So, but yeah, literally, I
1102
00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:15.190
think that I couldn't buy a house that had bad
1103
00:56:15.510 --> 00:56:19.250
energy in it. Yeah. And I feel like you feel energy. Yeah.
1104
00:56:19.269 --> 00:56:19.809
Don't you think?
1105
00:56:20.309 --> 00:56:20.449
Yeah.
1106
00:56:20.489 --> 00:56:23.650
I mean, I've heard from people saying that like they
1107
00:56:23.690 --> 00:56:27.369
walked in or they've brought a medium or psychic who
1108
00:56:27.409 --> 00:56:30.550
just says, there's something, I'm not feeling it, whatever. And
1109
00:56:30.590 --> 00:56:31.380
then the realtor's like.
1110
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.119
Could you not get rid of the psychic?
1111
00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:34.760
I almost felt like, you know, I'm ready to make
1112
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.519
a sale or whatever. But yeah, I do think that's
1113
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:41.539
kind of interesting about, or like a piece, like if
1114
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:45.050
there was some piece of furniture or something that might like,
1115
00:56:45.070 --> 00:56:47.050
and this is like coming to like a horror story,
1116
00:56:47.090 --> 00:56:50.710
but as an interior designer, I saw, I saw this
1117
00:56:50.730 --> 00:56:52.849
thing recently just coming across.
1118
00:56:52.909 --> 00:56:54.949
It was a female who's an interior designer.
1119
00:56:54.989 --> 00:56:58.000
And she said one of her biggest regrets was, And
1120
00:56:58.019 --> 00:56:59.199
I thought it was kind of interesting.
1121
00:56:59.260 --> 00:57:00.389
And she said, I had these.
1122
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.219
Clients and I'd worked with them for years, but they
1123
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.829
were very private people. She didn't necessarily say why they
1124
00:57:05.869 --> 00:57:08.550
were private, but obviously they had a lot of money
1125
00:57:08.570 --> 00:57:10.090
because they were great clients. So I don't know if
1126
00:57:10.130 --> 00:57:15.730
they were, you know, Wall Street people or whatever. But
1127
00:57:15.750 --> 00:57:18.150
there was like one design or something and they said, yeah,
1128
00:57:18.170 --> 00:57:21.650
you can, you know, give those photos and be in
1129
00:57:21.690 --> 00:57:24.210
a magazine, but we were very private. And then there
1130
00:57:24.269 --> 00:57:28.619
was another opportunity where, She like did an interview or
1131
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.530
something and she never talked to them about it before.
1132
00:57:33.130 --> 00:57:35.389
And then they like.
1133
00:57:35.250 --> 00:57:37.849
Called her and they were like, you know, we really
1134
00:57:37.869 --> 00:57:40.789
don't appreciate that. And then they never worked with her again.
1135
00:57:41.309 --> 00:57:43.150
And I thought it was really brave that she like
1136
00:57:43.289 --> 00:57:46.949
shared the story of like her biggest– regrets of like
1137
00:57:47.710 --> 00:57:50.570
boundaries and working with people and and this is such
1138
00:57:50.590 --> 00:57:54.780
a world of like um for interior designers comedians everybody
1139
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.980
like social media is so important yeah and so like
1140
00:57:59.099 --> 00:58:02.260
what what would be your advice in dealing with people
1141
00:58:02.300 --> 00:58:04.340
i think like is it like right off the bat
1142
00:58:04.460 --> 00:58:06.519
like yeah you know are you down to let me
1143
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.559
share this are you not you know or what aspects
1144
00:58:09.619 --> 00:58:09.840
of it.
1145
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.699
Yeah but just to go back to one for one
1146
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:14.110
second once we had that priests come in and get
1147
00:58:14.150 --> 00:58:16.869
rid of it. The energy totally changed, and it became
1148
00:58:16.889 --> 00:58:19.949
this unbelievably happy house again. So you can change things
1149
00:58:19.989 --> 00:58:20.369
with those people.
1150
00:58:20.389 --> 00:58:23.469
Well, I do think, you know, when they do the sage,
1151
00:58:24.030 --> 00:58:25.849
and it is good to know, like, yeah, bring in, like,
1152
00:58:25.869 --> 00:58:26.590
the poltergeist lady, and.
1153
00:58:26.530 --> 00:58:27.590
Bring in the priest, why not? And it changed the
1154
00:58:27.610 --> 00:58:29.869
whole energy, and now it's this extraordinary happy family house.
1155
00:58:30.130 --> 00:58:31.690
So maybe if there is a great deal, but there's
1156
00:58:31.730 --> 00:58:34.070
a scary thing, you might just bring in, bring a
1157
00:58:34.110 --> 00:58:35.679
wand of everybody, you know?
1158
00:58:35.699 --> 00:58:40.320
Bring it in, do whatever, wave the wand. Okay, so contracts,
1159
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.000
for me, with clients... I mean, obviously, confidentiality is very important.
1160
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:50.800
I have a lot of celebrity clients. In general, the celebrities,
1161
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:55.130
because they are public, they enjoy the publicity with their
1162
00:58:55.170 --> 00:58:58.389
home because it's another extension of who they are. And
1163
00:58:58.469 --> 00:59:02.110
sometimes it ends up actually bringing them, they get like,
1164
00:59:02.190 --> 00:59:05.730
you know, a license for some home goods or, you know.
1165
00:59:06.130 --> 00:59:08.130
So people see you've got great taste and great style.
1166
00:59:08.530 --> 00:59:10.599
They want to emulate that and be part of that.
1167
00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:14.550
The Kardashians are a great, you know, advocate for that
1168
00:59:14.610 --> 00:59:20.610
kind of thing, for instance. But I do believe that
1169
00:59:21.170 --> 00:59:24.969
you have to respect your client's privacy when they want
1170
00:59:24.989 --> 00:59:27.530
it to be respected. You can't talk about people without
1171
00:59:27.570 --> 00:59:31.949
them knowing or having agreed to it. Almost every one
1172
00:59:31.969 --> 00:59:35.260
of my clients have allowed us to publish. I think
1173
00:59:35.300 --> 00:59:37.139
in my entire career, there's only been a couple of
1174
00:59:37.179 --> 00:59:40.960
clients where we couldn't publish the projects. And that's because
1175
00:59:41.539 --> 00:59:44.099
they were public figures and they'd had like death threats or,
1176
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:48.530
you know, crazy stuff that's happened along the way. And
1177
00:59:48.590 --> 00:59:51.949
I get it. Listen, I once had a mad stalker
1178
00:59:52.449 --> 00:59:56.710
who broke into my house and tore pictures out of
1179
00:59:56.750 --> 00:59:58.329
people that were with me in the photo frames and
1180
00:59:58.349 --> 00:59:59.199
stuck their own face in.
1181
00:59:59.860 --> 01:00:01.179
Wait, when was this?
1182
01:00:01.260 --> 01:00:04.110
This was a few years ago when I was back
1183
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.030
on TV all the time.
1184
01:00:05.329 --> 01:00:06.130
Did you know that.
1185
01:00:06.429 --> 01:00:08.610
Was the person stalking you and then one day you
1186
01:00:08.650 --> 01:00:10.730
came home and saw that they'd gotten in your house?
1187
01:00:10.789 --> 01:00:11.369
Or how did you know?
1188
01:00:11.389 --> 01:00:14.429
You know how you get... When you're on TV, you
1189
01:00:14.449 --> 01:00:17.469
get mail from prisoners. Sometimes.
1190
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:18.099
Yeah.
1191
01:00:18.940 --> 01:00:22.579
I started to get all this mail from prisoners. Some
1192
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.300
of it scared me. But, you know, and then my
1193
01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:26.940
press agent was dealing with it and I didn't ever
1194
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.519
really see it for a while. Anyway... Some guy, actually,
1195
01:00:32.260 --> 01:00:35.360
had become obsessed and had come out of prison and
1196
01:00:35.380 --> 01:00:37.119
thought we were having a, you know, they thought it
1197
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:40.769
was the love of his life. Broke into my house.
1198
01:00:41.070 --> 01:00:42.670
In Beverly Hills?
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It was actually when I was living in West Hollywood. Okay.
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Broke into my house. Didn't take anything or anything, but
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just went around. At the time, I had loads of, like,
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picture frames on tables and things. And carefully.
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So he, like, took a frame and... Did the little thing,
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took it out.
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Cut out other people's faces, like my mom and dad's face.
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And put the frame back together?
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And stuck pictures of himself in.
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And put the frame back together.
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I didn't notice. So at the time, my housekeeper, who
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would come like two days a week, called me like,
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oh my God, what is this? She said, I don't
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know what's happening. She said, this is so strange. I
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think she thought I'd lost my mind when I'd done it.
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I was like, what are you talking about? I came
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home from work, I couldn't believe it. All over my house.
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I hadn't even noticed.
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I mean, he must have been in your house for
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a couple hours.
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Which then petrified me. So yeah, so we had called
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the police. I had to get, they gave me a
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stun gun. Oh my God. So I managed to stun
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my own leg. Somebody walked up to me while I
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was coming down the street. I thought it was the
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crazy person. I tried to get the stun gun out
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and stun my own leg. And my leg like flew
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out to one side and split my chest. That was
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the end of the stun gun.
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Did they ever find him?
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They did. They did. He'd done it to two or
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three people. But, I mean, it's crazy.
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Did he go back to prison?
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There's crazy people out there, yes. Yes.
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Oh, wow.
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So there's, you know, this is a crazy world.
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Yeah.
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But that was a mad thing that happened. So having
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had that happen to me and my tiny little bit
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of fame in the world makes you understand that people
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that are really famous can have really crazy people after them.
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Yeah, it's really scary when you see that.
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I'll never forget shopping one day with Khloe Kardashian. We
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went to a store called The Rug Company to look
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at rugs. And we came out and she was about
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to get in her car and some maniac guy came
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by on a bicycle and squirted stuff in her face.
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Like for no reason. Could have been acid, could have
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been anything.
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Thank God it was just water.
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So when that kind of stuff happens, you just can't
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believe how crazy it is out there. Yeah. Yeah. So
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I understand when people want privacy and you have to
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respect that. So in my contracts, it always has a
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thing that specifies, you know, that we're allowed to take
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pictures for our own internal use. And if we're going
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to publish anything, we ask their permission first and get
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written email permission from them to allow us to do that.
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And that way you're all protected.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think it's amazing everything that you've done, and
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I'm excited about this. This is your Instagram, which is
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amazing if you want to see lots of great scenes,
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the hotels, the houses. It's Martin Ballard. But also, now,
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I want to ask you, being English, how do you
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think about Harry and Meghan leaving Montecito and sending their
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kids to the English school and coming back to England?
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Well, it's wildly unexpected.
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I'm shocked. I didn't see this coming. Wildly unexpected.
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I have met Harry and Meghan a few times up
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in Montecito. They're great friends of a friend of mine,
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a client of mine. And they couldn't be more charming
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in person. I had a very weird thing happen, though.
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When they first moved to Montecito, the Daily Mail, which,
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God knows, writes some crazy stuff, had on the front
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page Elton John's decorator designs for Harry and Meghan. Multi-million
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dollar home. It was complete crap. I'd never even met
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them at that point, let alone design for them all.
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And people are so venomously against them. I got death threats.
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I got literal death threats come to my office saying,
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how can you design for them? They're disgusting people.
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Like a piece of mail?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got all this mail and stuff
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on my Instagram and DMs from people. You're a disgusting human.
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How could you work for them? It was shocking. Really shocking.
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So there is major hatred out there, primarily for her,
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I think.
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And do you think primarily from the people of England? Like,
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you've screwed up the monarchy.
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You've broken up the brothers. Yeah, I think a lot
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of it was English. I mean, listen, the scandal of
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the interview with Oprah was pretty wild. Yeah. There were
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a lot of things that should never have been said
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on that. There were things that were completely inaccurate or
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things that gave the impression of something that wasn't real
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and was said in a way that maybe would give
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people the wrong impression of the royal family. I'm a royalist.
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I'm English. I love the royal family. They're the hardest
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workers and they are the number one tourist industry for England.
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The money they bring into the country is unbelievable. And
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they provide a great living for people. And the history
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of the royal family is extraordinary. 2,000 years old or
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whatever it is. It's really part of English culture. And
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I think it's very sad that Meghan wasn't able to
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find her position in that because she could have become
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the new Princess Diana.
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I mean, I was so excited when it started and
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I thought she was great.
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I thought it was so cute. I was happy to
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watch the wedding.
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I think the moment too was when she like didn't
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think it through. Like you're trying to be funny and
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you're like, when she mocked having.
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To bow to the queen.
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It was very unnecessary.
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And he was just standing there like, that's where I'm like,
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Was she not educated or did she not have the
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right big sister to show her, this is what works,
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this is what doesn't.
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I don't know. It seems unfortunate.
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Part of me feels sorry for her because I think
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you don't know what you're going into in those situations.
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She bit off more than she could chew in essence.
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You are a public figure. She'd already been a public
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figure by being an actress. But being an actress is
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very different from being a member of the royal family.
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You know, you're in the public eye 24-7. There's no
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escape in a way. And you have to do public duties. And,
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you know, as an actress, you can wake up in
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the morning if you're feeling ill. You know, maybe they'll
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delay the shoot that day. If you've got 20,000 people
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waiting for you to cut a ribbon to open a
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Walmart or whatever it is, you have to be there
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and do it because it's royal duty. So it's a
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very different thing. I think it, I think.
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That's a really good point that I think coming from California,
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being an actress, all that kind of things. I've always
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said that because I related to a lot to her
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life story. Just, you know, middle-class Catholic school, went to college, wasn't,
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you know, had to get her own way in the acting.
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She wasn't like a full nepo baby. Her dad worked
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on a set in props or whatever. So it's like,
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I thought, Oh, this is relatable. So it's like if
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I married the prince, you know? And I definitely think
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that there was, like I said, like a lack of
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an education and understanding of what you were really getting into.
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And also just the gloomy weather. You know, when you
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come from California weather as a California, Southern California person,
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like it goes a little gloomy for a few hours.
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And I'm like, my day is shot. Like, I don't
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know how to deal.
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I shot that TV show in England yesterday. Two years ago,
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I was there January and February shooting. I thought I
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was going to kill myself. You wake up, it's dark.
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And then it just gets darker.
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My gosh.
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So I get that for sure.
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So I think that was a hard thing to adjust to.
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And then, yeah, I think she just didn't really understand
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the depth of it being American. And of course, with
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Princess Kate, she grew up in England. She dated William
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for a very long time.
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She just was... she was born for.
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The role she was born for the role and she
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understood the role she really understood the role again I
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think it's the saddest thing because she could have been
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the new Princess Diana she could have done unbelievable things
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in the world for racism rather than creating now this
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like big drama that everyone's racist in the royal family
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she could have gone the other way and she could
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have been the spokesperson as the first kind of mixed-race princess.
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She could have done an unbelievable job in the world.
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And I think it's sad that she didn't step up
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to that. You know, also, when you're an actor, you've
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got that inside of you and you want to fulfill that.
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And I think it's quite sad that she had to
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give up the acting career. I think if they'd been
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a bit more modern and allowed her to say, you know,
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you keep acting... But also you need to do these
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royal duties. And together she would have formulated a balanced life.
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I think the fact she had to give up that
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career to become a royal must have been very difficult.
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Well, when she first got married, I thought, I.
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Predicted that she would be like the Oprah of England.
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And then she could have had the biggest podcast talk
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show there.
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Yeah.
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And speak to truly international, interesting people and and still
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show like who she is and have the best of
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both worlds. Sure, she wouldn't have been, you know, able
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to totally go off, but she's not like a crass person.
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So it's like, it's not like me doing it, you know?
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So yeah, I feel like it was all like kind
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of these missteps. And I don't know, maybe going back,
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do you think that she could ever win the people
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over again?
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No, not now.
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I don't think so. I think she'd have to really
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change the way somehow or the other to get it back.
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I don't think it's coming back. There's been so much damage.
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By the way, even Oprah damaged her own career by
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doing that interview. Oprah's never recovered in the people's minds
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after doing that because she allowed a bunch of, not
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a bunch, but some lies to be told and the
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shock and horror and the whole thing. It damaged Oprah's career. Oprah,
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the queen of television, Pretty wild.
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So do you think they're going back because of financial reasons?
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Because all their L.A. deals have dried up? And in England,
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you know, try this?
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I don't know. I mean, for deals, for filming, for
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stuff like that, America's the number one. It's where you
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make money. That's an impossible track to the U.K. But
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I don't know if they're going back because maybe... You know,
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Harry's missing his family. Maybe, you know, the king's not
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been well for a long time. Maybe he's going back
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for that. I understand the education thing because Harry was
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educated in those fine English schools. There isn't anything really
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comparable to that for younger children anyway here. Certainly later
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in life you have Harvard and Yale and all those things.
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But when the kids are young, the schools are very different.
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I mean, if I had a little prince and princess,
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as she does, and we're– Their dad is the Prince
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of England.
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Yes, go to school in England. Like, are you kidding me?
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So I mean, I do think it's smart. It's now
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or never. And maybe it can be repaired. Maybe the
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kids will form their own connection to their aunt and uncle.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like Andrew and Fergie. You know, the scandal of
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Prince Andrew. Well, not Prince Andrew anymore. Andrew Windsor as
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he is now. The scandal of that has been so wild.
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They really made her the bad girl Fergie. Oh, well.
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Remember the photo of the guy sucking?
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Did you read any of that? Oh, of course.
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Remember Fergie's boyfriend was sucking her toe?
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I'm friends with Johnny Bryant. Hilarious. He's a hilarious character.
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That was her boyfriend?
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The toe sucker. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And we didn't know that they were separated, open marriage,
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that he was hanging out with Epstein.
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We didn't know. But we saw her. They made her...
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To be the enemy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's really both of them.
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I mean, Prince Andrew made a complete fool of himself
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doing that documentary.
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No, absolutely.
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But I'm saying at the time that we Americans saw
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the tabloids of the toe-sucking, it was like Fergie is
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the bad girl.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And they're getting divorced. But it's more like Fergie was
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the one that stepped out. When this whole time, who
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knows all the crazy stuff Andrew was doing, you know?
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Well, history repeats itself.
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Yeah. My God. Amazing.
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But I think there's so much scandal going on with
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my uncle Andrew and Fergie, and maybe we'll come back
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and there'll be so much else going on, no one
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will really notice. Yeah. I don't think it's the case.
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I think the press will be all over them. I
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think they'll have a hideous experience. And the fact that
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they just lost that giant lawsuit in England with the,
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I think it was with Daily Mail, was it?
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With saying, yeah, he was suing the papers for... And
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he did not prevail.
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Well, they've lost. Them, Elizabeth Hurley, a bunch of them,
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they have to give like 30 million pounds back because
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they've got to pay all the legal fees for the
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other side.
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How much money does he have?
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Like, I've seen 60 million from Diana, but does he
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have it all now?
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I heard it was only 15 million he got from
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Diana because it was divided out. But I heard that
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he inherited money from the Queen Mother, his grandmother. So But,
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you know, and they did have deals here. I mean,
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I'm sure they had a $ 10 million deal.
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But they don't anymore. The Netflix deal is done.
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The podcast deal is done.
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Right.
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And, you know, even if she got an acting role,
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it's not convenient to live in Montecito.
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And have to be driving to Burbank. Well, what's an
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acting role going to pay you? And it's not going
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to pay you anything.
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No. That's not going to do anything.
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Yeah. And then her little cooking show or whatever, that
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didn't last.
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There's got to be something else going on there. There's
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got to be some monetary reason why.
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They've moved back. I think it's like, I think it's
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the opportunities dried up here.
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Yeah.
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The kids are school age.
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Yeah.
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I think it's like a number thing. The dad is sick.
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If they wait too long, it may never get repaired. And,
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you know, how are they going to live the next
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30 years?
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Yeah.
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Who's going to pay for them the.
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Next 30 years? I think the rift between the two
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brothers is probably the biggest situation. Because that seems to
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be really terrifying.
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Do you think as a man, though, I feel like
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brothers could make up?
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Well, you would hope so. I mean, I would hate
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to have. I have three older sisters. I'd hate to
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have any fallout that's longevity with any of them.
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It can happen. I mean, I have siblings. But I
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feel like because they only have each other. You know
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what I mean?
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Like sometimes there's like a black sheep or whatever when
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you have a bunch of kids. Because they have each other,
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only they know what it's like to have grown up.
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And then they were children of divorce, and they were
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children who lost a mother young. Like, that is, I think,
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what makes people so sad. They really want to see
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those brothers make up. And that's the other thing where
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you sort of then blame the woman. And they know
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it wasn't Kate, because they were fine. The three of
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them would do all these things together.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, she was always including.
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him so well we'll see it'll be interesting to see
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and the truth is.
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That that none of us know what it must be
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like to be a royal no and to live in
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that and to have to perform like that and to
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have to.
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I don't think his book helped either oh my god
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the book was ridiculous that is a lot of boohoo.
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01:16:49.420 --> 01:16:51.560
That was ridiculous yeah you know we don't need to
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hear about his frozen willy.
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Yeah well i'm um Excited about your show. I love
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the name, Live, Love and Decorate. This is your show that,
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tell everybody where they can watch it.
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Yeah, so this is on Homeworthy, which is on YouTube.
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You can just put in my name or Live, Love
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and Decorate or Homeworthy and it comes up. This has
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been a real passion project because, you know, I love travel.
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It's the one thing that inspires me more than anything else.
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It's the one thing that, you know, gives me, I think,
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the most knowledge in my design and feeds my soul.
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So I love going to different cities. I love to travel.
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The one thing is when you travel, you never know
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a city or a place or a country until you
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know the people that live there. So the whole pretext
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of this show is that I introduce you to friends
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of mine that live in these cities and the way
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they live and the way they're influenced by the city
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and their culture and how that culture sort of helps
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them design their homes and live their lives. So it's
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really been fun. It's kind of like an Anthony Bourdain
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sort of thing, but design oriented. And each episode I
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have like five or six different people in all different houses.
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I mean, and it's not just the rich and famous. Yes,
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there's some of that on there. beautiful, you know, mansions
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on the Bosphorus or old palaces in Tangier. But there's also,
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I've got a cross-dressing life coach, you know, living on
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a barge in London. We've got real, real diversity in
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the mix of this, which is what a city, which
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is what the world is, you know. And so you
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get to see these people that have got great individual
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style and they tell you why and they tell you
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why they love where they are and, and we and
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we've always got a connection like my gorgeous friend nebi
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who many many years ago used to work for me
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as a sort of a design assistant now lives in
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01:19:00.180 --> 01:19:04.520
this extraordinary house in istanbul and you know you see
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the the beautiful friendship that we have but also the
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connection through the design And how actually visiting her all
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these years in Istanbul and in Turkey, I've been influenced
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with Turkish and Ottoman style in my own taste. And
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so you get all of that wonderful extract. So it's
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been really fun. And I also, in each show, I
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give not only an insight to the people, but I
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always show like a beautiful place to stay, like a
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gorgeous boutique hotel.
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Oh, I love that.
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And I show like a flea market or the Grand
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Bazaar or somewhere that I love to go shop. you know,
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because being a demented shopper that I am, we have
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to go shopping everywhere. And so you always get a
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little bit, a little taste of those things. And so
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it's great. It's been so fun to do it. We
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did London, Paris, Tangier, Istanbul. Australia was really fun too, actually.
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Those crazy Australians. It was just fabulous. So we got
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all this wild places and mix and stuff going on
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in it. And so YouTube's a wonderful thing because YouTube
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allows you to put in your taste into the algorithm
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and it feeds you these great shows. And so now
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all these design enthusiasts are getting to see this show.
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Awesome.
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It's also great for travel. It's great for people that
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want to see a little, you know, want to be
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nosy into other people's lives. You know, there's a little
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celebrity in there. It's got a little bit of everything.
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I've enjoyed it so much.
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01:20:32.739 --> 01:20:36.779
Well, I just adored this conversation we had. And I
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01:20:36.819 --> 01:20:39.800
feel like there were so many things and we've had
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01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:42.260
so many dinners and stuff and you can't, you.
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01:20:42.180 --> 01:20:45.739
Still brought all these new stories to me. So it
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was great. And thank you so much.
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And everybody follow Martin, um, on his Instagram because it's
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so great. And, um, it's Martin Ballard is just the
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full name. And Martin is spelled with a Y N
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cute and, um, and follow him. And then you can
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also see the show, um.
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Live, laugh, decorate. Live, love, and decorate. Live, love, not laugh. Live, love,
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and decorate.
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Live, laugh is your show.
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My new show is live, laugh, decorate. That's the one
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we'll do together.
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We'll live, laugh, and decorate together.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you for having me. The best.
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