Serial Killers, Psy Warfare & McGowan's Programmed to Kill

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Welcome to another episode of Our Interesting Times. It's my
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pleasure to have Jay Dyer back on the show. Well, Jay,
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how you doing.
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Been great time. Always glad to be on Our Interesting
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Times because our times are interesting.
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Very interesting in the worst kind of a way. And
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of course you are the proprietor of Jays Analysis jaysnalysis
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dot com. You're the author of So Teror Hollywood Sex
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Cults and Symbolism in Film, And I understand you are
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taping a very important series of I guess television shows
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for the Guide Network. Been very busy, so I'm very
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appreciative your time with me tonight. Thank you, And I
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guess you're finishing up later on this week with those seat.
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Thank you for those kind words. Yeah, we've finished eleven
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episodes and we'll finish six seventeen or eighteen by the
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end of this week. And yeah, it's gonna be a
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lot of really really cool stuff movie a movie analysis
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kind of Ciskel and Ebers style show that really doesn't exist.
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I don't think there's another Cisco Ebert style show that
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that does film analysis, you know the way that I
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do it, and it kind of linked up well with
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the style of Jay Weedener the way he does film analysis.
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You know, we have we have a good chemistry, a
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good rapport, so we kind of just go back and
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forth and give our thoughts and and and impressions of
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these seminal films and shows and kind of dissect them,
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you know. And it ties in well with Dave mcgallan's
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work a lot of the stuff that we're going to
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be talking about tonight, and we referenced, you know, Dave
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quite a bit. You know, my work kind of builds
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on that, as well as Michael Hoppins worked too. So
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it's it's gonna be neat. It's it's gonna be I think,
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very high quality. It's not it's not stupid, it's not fluffy.
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It's going to be pretty hardcore. But it all would
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be a lot of satire and comedy and you know,
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joking around. Hopefully too. They may edit out on my
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Maybe they sounded like they were laughing in the control room,
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but I can tell, so maybe maybe they're laughing at
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how bad it was, And I don't know. I hope
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my impersonation, you know, don't get edited out, but they
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may end up on the cutting room floor.
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Sorry, what's the name of that show.
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It'll be called Hollywood Decoded.
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Hollywood you code it, okay, And that's going to air
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on the on the Guide network, and people, I guess
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subscribe that I don't.
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Have to be by subscription. But as I understand, you
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know this is it's anywhere streaming service and it's also
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on some cable and satellite, so if you have Amazon
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Prime and that kind of stuff, you can get it too.
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So oh excellently I do. Okay, so I can watch it.
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It should be on all those Yeah, okay, I'm pretty
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sure that's right. I'm pretty sure Amazon has Gaya, but
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many to check on that. But but yeah, so we've
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got some of the some good stuff lined up for
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season one. We've got David Lynch, and we've got some Kubrick,
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and we've got some Ridley Scott, Blade Runner and the
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Alien franchise and some X Files. Uh so there's a
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there's a good lineup and then a lot more to come,
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you know. If this does well, we'll do another another
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two seasons on top of that.
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So great, And of course a lot of those movies
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I do after watching or listening reading your analysis, listening
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to your analysis, you can go re watch some of
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the movies that Mayson little Strange, particularly David Lynch films,
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and you can really there's your analysis really helps.
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And a lot of people were saying that, they say,
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when they get in the book, they kind of read
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my book and then they watched the movie and then
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read the chapter and watch the movie. So it's you know,
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it ends up being kind of a fun, fun thing,
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and I think the show will be too, because we
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have clips that we're playing too, so it's not just
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sitting you know, me sitting there talking with Jay Weedner.
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It's also you know, important sections of the film and yeah,
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you know the images and the scenes and what's going on.
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So your analysis of Ernest goes the campus particularly enlightening
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there was.
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I wrote that as a joke, and then I had
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people who they didn't think it was a joke and
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they were like, do you really think this is about this?
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And it says satire on there.
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Okay, it's great, and of course, listeners here if you
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want to support Jay regularly, you can support his website
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for five a month, sixty dollars a year. That's the
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regular thing. Support his research. Okay, Well, tonight, you've did
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a an excellent analysis of Dave McGowan's Program to Kill.
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We've talked touched on it before in the past, and
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our previous talks, I think our first conversation we talked
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a lot about that, but just touched on it, and
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you did a almost a two hour analysis of it,
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and of course I wanted to talk about that in
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light of the maybe Michael Hoffman's analysis of the serial
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killer phenomenon, particularly the ritualistic aspect of it and the
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alchemical process that he believes that's involved with it. A
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broader issue of sort of the societal degradation debasement that
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occurred in the nineteen sixties and seventies into the eighties.
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Of course, in the context of the Vietnam War, the
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development of feminism, and all the psychological warfare that the
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American people were being have been subjected to since the
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Second World War. So, hey, how do you want how
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do you go on dive into it?
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Well, I guess I could point out that in my
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own experience, Uh, you know, I didn't grow up during
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that period. I grew up in the eighties, so I
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didn't know much about that era except through my dad.
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My dad was into led Zappelin in the doors, and
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you know, he would always play those albums, and that
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was really the only experience I had of it until I,
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you know, got to be older and started reading and
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getting into history and trying to make sense of what
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had been happening, especially in the United States. And then
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I think in my twenties, about twenty four or five,
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I read Hoffman's book and that was a big piece
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of the puzzle for me. It was a big awakening
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stage for me. I think I've got my society Psychological.
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My copy is dated in two thousand and six. So
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he really opened up, I guess, a new way to
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look at things, and in a broadway. So he's really
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tying in the ideas of Hollywood and mass culture, pop culture,
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with the military industrial complex and with secret societies in
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the occult and you know how the Pentagon used the
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psychological warfare and ritual crimes and how it all kind
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of connects us. So I think he's maybe one of
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the best figures that you could point to that kind
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of laid out a more coherent, unified field theory of conspiracy,
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because you know, I think prior to I mean, maybe
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you can find somebody I don't know, but I mean
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when I think back to conspiracy texts written prior to
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two thousand and one, which is when he published his book,
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you know, you would get books that might deal with
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a certain topic, like you know, there would be books
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on the Templars, and there would be a book on
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the Masons, and very limited subject matter. But I think
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Hoffman's book is a step towards meta analysis, where he's
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really trying to put all these pieces together, and he
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ties in, you know, the theological aspects too, like making
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sense of what happened in the Catholic Church and Vatican
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two and beyond, and it just made a lot more sense,
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I think. And so I was and I was a
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traditional Roman Catholic at the time, attending the Latin Mass
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and so forth. So so Hoffen had a big impact
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on me. And then I realized that he was kind
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of the first person I read that did kind of
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an esotery movie analysis. So he kind of gave me
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the idea, or I got the idea to do that
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style from his analysis of conspiracy theory. He read a
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book or an essay on that a long time ago
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that's kind of famous. So so it's just it's a
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gray all around book introduction. It's usually what I tell
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people who are new to the topic to read as
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an introduction. And I mean, I'm not sure where to
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start with it, just because he talks about so many
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things too. But Dave's book is a great companion to
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that book because they're kind of in the same vein.
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They do overlap at times. Even though the focus of
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Program to Kill is more just on ritual crime, he's
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not really dealing with you know, theology or history per se.
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But one of the things that Dave starts out with
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that really impressed me in his book was that he
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he looks like he read most of the material that's
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published dealing with you know, MK ultra and mind control.
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So you know, there's Jose Delgado's Physical Control of the Mind,
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and there's Donald Bain's Control of Kenny Jones and Walter
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Bowart's book Operation mind Control and John Marxist book and
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I've read a lot of these, but I haven't read
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all of them. And I've read a lot of these two.
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And so you know, Hoppins book kind of kicked me
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off on that eleven or twelve years ago, and then
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I read Jay Stevens's book Storming Heaven, which is also
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kind of along the same path as Weird scenes inside
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the Canyon, but not a little more water down, a
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little more mainstream. And I read that a long time ago,
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and that kind of got me thinking, you know, that
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maybe a lot of what we were told about the
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sixties counter culture revolution was not what was really going on,
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and that maybe that wasn't real. And I had my
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own experiences of going to concerts and you know, being
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around so called hippies and that people of that counterculture mindset,
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because you know, you start noticing as you get older
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that it's really just different costumes and dressings that people
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are wearing who are being counterculture. Right, So it's like
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the counterculture of my period when I was, you know,
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eighteen nineteen, it was Nirvana, it was Pearl Jam, it
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was alternative music, it was you know, that was just
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the next phase of the cultural dressing. And you start
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to realize that a lot of this stuff is not organic.
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It's actually top down. It's it's corporate, it's it's sold, uh,
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and that's it runs contrary to what the whole ethos
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is is that it's supposed to be an organic counter
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culture movement. And then I think, you know, just as
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you get older, you read more and you learn more,
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and you realize that, uh, you know, the people who
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run society are not idiots. They're they're very adept, and
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they're masters of the scientific, scientific process, a scientific technique
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of mass psychology. So I know I would even still
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recommend probably Jim Keats's book Mass Control. It's it's a
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good introduction to this topic, and it fits well with
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Michaels Hoffin's book and Dave McGowan's book. But anyway, just
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to kind of set the stage, you know, I just
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started diving into all these books, and you know, there
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really is a dearth of evidence to suggest that uh
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wait is that the right word. I'm kind of I'm
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kind of tired. Amount of earth is dearth?
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Dearth be a lack of or ending of it.
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There is an excess, excuse me, an abundance, an abundance
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of evident to suggest that that the counterculture movements are essentially,
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you know, engineered, and that's that's the main point here.
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And you said, well, how could that be? Why would
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that be? Well, when you look at what the Pentagon
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was studying, what the military was studying back into the thirties,
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forties and fifties what the advertising agencies were studying, and
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it was mass psychology, mass sociology, uh, and the mind
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of man. And if you could master the mind of man,
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then you could master the mass mind. And so all
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of these studies and all this research that the establishment
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put into mind control and physical control of the mind
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and all this kind of stuff. Uh, it manifested itself
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in all these very bizarre things, like you know, one
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of the in Keltry doctors, doctor Jolli and West, gives
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a whole bunch of LSD to elephants just to see
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what it what it'll do. Uh. And you can go
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on on YouTube and still see a lot of these
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this old archive footage of some of these Stanford research
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experiments too, where they're giving giving LSD to all these
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animals and monkeys and h seeing what it does. And uh,
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well you can watch the spider webs that were created
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by spiders that were given LSD and how they're all
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messed up and their webs don't work, and so that
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I mean, they really perfected. I think the the chemical
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approach to biological warfare is what this amounts and that's
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why it was classed eventually under a biological warfare. So
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so that's what impressed me about Dave's book, and having
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now read a lot of these books that he references,
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I think I have a better, a much better picture
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of how the the studies of multiple personality slash disassociative
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identity disorder was of central import along with hypnotism for
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so many decades. And I think that you could argue
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that this is probably perfected. And of course, you know,
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deal with the same topics too, so I think there's
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definitely something to this. Now there's a lot of disinformation
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that says that there's no such thing as you know,
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fractured personalities and this kind of stuff, But I mean,
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it makes a lot more sense if this is true. Now.
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understand the potentials and how it can cause multiple or
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fractured personality. Now, I mean, I don't think that I
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have alternate personality or anything like that. But what I'm
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saying is that I know the process of what happens
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in throughout the acid trip, so I can see how
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these kinds of things occur. And if you read John
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Marx's book, he talks about that too. He talks about
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how they had actually studied the trip process and how
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it could cause dissociation. And then you get these popularizers,
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right who go out into the pop culture who sell
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it like Timothy Leary. Now, Timothy Leary attaches all this
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esoteric stuff to it, and this is where you get
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the whole idea of promoting the archaic revival and indigenous
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religious traditions and all this kind of stuff attached to
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LSD and the promotion of hallucinogens. And I don't think
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we need to rehearse the Henry Loose Time.
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you know, you start to notice all these things and
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all these these puzzle pieces that just don't make sense
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to be a counterculture revolution, you know. And of course
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that's that's the thesis of weird Scenes inside the Canyon,
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you know. And I think he argues as well in there.
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That's our culture movement to whatever degrees. Maybe the anti
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war movement, you know, was a organic and legitimate was
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eventually taken over and turned into just kind of this
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Dionyssian bas passion type of thing where you know, Jim
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Morrison's up there like having sex with the speaker on
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the stage while he's bombed out of his mind on drugs. Right,
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it just turns into turns it to total total chaos basically.
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see it reflected in the artwork that was promoted like
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Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol, and you know a lot
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of these CIA aided characters, these Frankfurt school type characters,
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and so to boil it all down, I mean, you
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really have. It's what Adorno talked about, you know, from
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the frankfur School, that that if you promote inversion and
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the perversion, you could really destroy the social order. And
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these lackos, of these sickos really believed that you had
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to destroy the social order to fix things. So that's
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that's I think the setting for for the sixties. It
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was a whole bunch of things that was psychological warfare.
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of alternative lifestyles quote unquote, You've you know, you've done
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talks with with John Adams. I've done interviews with John Adams,
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and he talks a lot about how California was kind
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of set up to be this mecca for the for
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the alternative lifestyle, you know, as well as promoting kind
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of the Silicon Valley military industrial complex, aerospace stuff, you know,
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up towards Sacramento. You know, if you didn't like that,
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you could go down to La or San Francisco or
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hate Ashbury or something, get involved in whatever cult you wanted, right,
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tubes I think going on throughout the sixties. And I
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think that LSD was given on a mass scale on purpose.
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I think that was by design absolutely. You know, when
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you look into the history of the drug war, you
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start to realize why that would be very plausible, especially
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given the importation of cocaine and crack for you know,
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the black neighborhoods and stuff like that. We figure out,
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but that's all true. So it just makes more it
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makes a lot more sense that the culture is controlled
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and studied and created much more than it is, you know,
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any kind of organic process. And so that's the setting,
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that's the zeitgeist for both Hoffmann's book and Dave McGowan's book.
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Yes You Have a Program to Kill. And now the
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way it's structured is he introduces the book first with
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organized elite pedophilia, the pediocricy I think, and I think
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the first eighty or ninety pages talks about the Mark
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de trou Fair and these various exposure of pedophilic networks
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and we all just in recent news and just in
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our research, alternative research into the deep state and some
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of the intrigues of the intelligence agencies, the function that
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that serves that child, that human trafficking, particularly with blackmail
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and human compromise.
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Well, what's interesting too is that both of these books,
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Hawfins's book was written in two thousand and one and
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Dave's books written in two thousand and four. And here
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we are. You know, it's twenty seventeen. And I had
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hawfins book a long time ago, and I would give
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this book out. People were calling me crazy. They would
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hand it back to me. I read the first chapter.
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Here take this back, yeah.
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I'm sure Dave's I'm sure Dave's book was received the
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same way. I only read, you know, for Gom to
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Kill fairly recently. But yeah, but the point, my point
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is just that look at how much of this has
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been vindicated, you know, in the last few years. So
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these are prescient books. And for me, you know, I mean,
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I don't want to be vindicated on this awful dark stuff,
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but you know, it makes me realize that I'm not
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actually crazy. So all the people who you know called
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me nuts over the last fifteen years or whatever, well.
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I get that. I say, when people call someone calls
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me crazy, I said, no, you're just ignorant. Yeah, then
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they get offenders. Will you just called me nuts, which
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is worse? Yeah, right, you just don't understand what they
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don't understand it.
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I'm not mean, I don't, right, I don't mean to
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be arrogant, but I mean, ninety nine percent of the
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time when when people are operating that way, they've not
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read any of this stuff. No, they don't have any
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working knowledge of this material.
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So yeah, it's yeah, it's someone and you're you don't
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have the patience or the election to be tutored on
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this stuff. So I'm not gonna waste my time, you know,
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just do the research, come back in five years, and
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then we'll talk about it. And that's what it takes.
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That's the problem is there's no substitute for for understanding
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these things other than just doing the research, reading the
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material and thinking about it and also holding out that,
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you know, there are some some of these things that
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there's nothing wrong with saying I don't know, I don't
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know for sure. You know, there's bias against there's a
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bias towards certainty, and some of these things we don't
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have certainty uh with. We have to infer, have to
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you know, uh speculate uh based on on the on
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the information we have, you know, and that's only natural.
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I don't know. What people expect, they get. They create
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a usually high standard. It's selective too, because they'll they'll
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accept that the narratives and other things not any without
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any evidence, or just because they're told something, you know,
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because Walter Kronkake told them something.
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Or they're you know, yes, Brian Williams, there's a brilliant Yeah,
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go ahead, there's a brilliant, brilliant point that Dave makes
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in The Program to Kill at one point where he says, yeah,
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we're supposed to believe that the CIA never really got
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anywhere within k Ultra.
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It didn't really teach them anything about mind control and
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how to brainwash people, and you know, they just kind
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of let this go after the hearings and all this stuff. However,
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we are at the same time supposed to believe, from
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the official sources that all of these cult leaders have
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perfected the process of my control. Right, so it's a
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double Jim Jones, David Press and Jim Jones are masters
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of mind control, but the CIA and Pentagon, they just
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don't have a clue on it.
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that's I mean, that was the the subtext or the
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the argument of Charles Manson's conviction. He makes this very
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point is the assumption of my control on the part
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of Charles Manson. Mm hmm, because he apparently, you know,
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the the the the killers uh went out, you know,
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and performed the massacres and they're convicted, but they're they're there.
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We were to understand that they were they were they
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were controlled zombies and the Saint Charles Manson, who according
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the official narrative, was never at any any of the
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scenes was convicted, right, And it makes no sense from
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a legal stuff, yet they did it.
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You know, yeah, that's yeah exactly. And you know, I
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just liked the the approach because, you know, Dave's willing
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to he's willing to look at the arguments of the skeptics.
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And one of the problems is that, you know, skeptics
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who said that there's not any substance to disassociate of
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identity disorder or to any of this stuff, is that
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they generally don't take into account all of the abundance
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of for example, material in Dave's book. Right, So you'll
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get these people who try to debunk things, but they
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never deal with, you know, like the totality of the
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three hundred and fifty pages of this book. You know what,
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what what about all this? Right? I mean, it's I mean,
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I can I understand people being skeptical, and certainly not
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every time somebody claims something it's true, but that's not
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a sound argument to debunk the whole idea of you know,
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maybe we don't under understand everything about the psyche. You
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know that I've done a lot of reading and a
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lot of research into that. And you know, I don't
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think that the so called establishment really understands or knows
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what the psyche. I mean, have perfected a lot of
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techniques when it comes to entrainment and psychic driving and
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these different you know, mind control techniques, but that doesn't
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mean that they really know what they're dealing with. Because
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you know, Saint Paul's the who knows the spirit of
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who knows the soul of a man, but the spirit
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which is in him, right, so even our souls and
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our spirits are somewhat mysterious even to us. So I
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don't think the establishment has every everything locked down on
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what man is or what man's soul is, precisely because
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most of these people have completely naturalistic presuppositions, so they
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don't think there is a soul. So you know, this
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is why everything's treated with chemicals and so forth. But anyway,
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you know, he just provides a bunch of arguments for
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you know, people in the establishment, even saying there's more
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going on here. These people aren't faking. You can look
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at experiments through hypnotism. Hypnotism has been study studied for
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eighty years, so you know, obviously they've made some kind
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of progress there. Freud talks about ritual abuse, and then
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you have, you know, the suspicious, obviously suspicious fact of
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the False Memory Syndrome Foundation being founded by these CIA
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people who are bold and things like child drafting and
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child born and stuff.
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That's right, it's a what's his name? What was his name?
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It was morn Orn or something he was or was
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MK ultra scientist.
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A bunch of stuff on that. But yeah, I.
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Think wasn't also Jolly West involved with them too?
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That sounds right?
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Yeah, I mean, okay, false Memory Foundation. Now, for a
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point of clarification, Dave mcgown's thesis, uh well in Program
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to Kill and also Dovetails are it's a good follow
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up to him to his or actually preceded it, but
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to his Laura Canyon book, because Laura Cannon. He points
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out that the this dizzy array of the popular some
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of the most popular musical bands of the nineteen sixties
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having connections to military and intelligence, with the theory that
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the music itself was weaponized the purposes of culture creation
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and sort of steering the culture in a certain direction,
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undermining the anti war movement. The manipulation of the youth culture.
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decade I think in the early fifties. In Program to Kill,
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he says, he provides, He puts forth, That puts forth
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the theory that the arrival of the serial killer phenomena
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on the American landscape wasn't an organic development or an
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accidental development coming out of America's post war you know,
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the environment of prosperity, youth culture, a sexual revolution. This
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was a plan. This was a weaponized sort of a
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domestic application of the Phoenix program, right, and also an
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attempt at maybe an update or a modification of murder
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Incorporated to carry out certain amount of hits and you know,
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and also an attempt to shape the culture, to create
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a culture of fear, to sort of expand or then
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vergeoning police state, swat teams, FBI, Quantico, uh, Quantico lab
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and all this stuff, and the justification of budgets. So
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that's that's just that's the thesis of the book. Is that?
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How you you see his argument?
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Oh? Yeah, absolutely, and yeah. The majority of the book
477
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is made up of the the serial killing crimes and
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ritual crimes and then you do have, like you said,
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those are those kind of early chapters that dealt with
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more of the sex crimes and pedophiles. But you know,
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one of the themes that he mentions is that a
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lot of these these people seem to have been known
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by the establishment, a lot of these devians. And so
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the idea here is that because a lot of these
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people who were troubled, maybe they were brought up in
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very severely dysfunctional homes and then maybe they were molested,
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and then having been through the system, they would have
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been fingered and earmarked as potential candidates for these kinds
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of things. Now that's very scary and that's very daunting.
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But when we think about all the other material that's
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out there, For example, the way that doctor e and
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Cameron was stationed at Mount Royal Psychiatric Institute in Canada,
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that's precisely what he was doing. He was finding troubled
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people in the psych wards to run his tests on.
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When we think about other aspects of the m culture
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program that will run through various universities and Human Ecology Foundation,
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or through these fronts, these psychiatric fronts, they were also
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working in prisons, like in Louisville, Kentucky, excuse me, Lexing
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in Kentucky. I think it was one of the sites
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where they were picking out prisoners according to John Marx's book.
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So that dovetails well with Dave's thesis, which is just
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that you have if you've grown up in the system,
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you know, with somebody like Charles Manson, He's a great
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example who's you know, he was in juvenile problems from
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like day one, right, so he would have been known
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to the system. Is what is what we're trying to
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say here, and that a lot of these guys seem
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to have a curious pattern of where they end up.
509
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And the serial killers tend to be excuse me, you
510
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tend to have these time periods where they spent a
511
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good bit of time in California, Texas, in Florida, excuse me.
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And so Dave kind of theorizes that what you have
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is in these states is number one, they're they're kind
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of obviously to military industrial complex type states, especially with
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a lot of the the bases in California. And then
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you have a lot of drug running that would be
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related to the Texas Mexico border, and then obviously drug
518
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running too from waterways, you know, into Florida, So so
519
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that that requires a lot of deep state apparatus, in
520
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other words, to to keep the drug situation flowing. And
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when you have one black market like drugs, you oftentimes
522
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have the other ones too, like human trafficking. So drugs
523
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:37.319
in human trafficking requires sometimes threats and hitmen, and the
524
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:42.200
the serial killer phenomenon then can have many uses, right,
525
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.759
So you mentioned those in your description, but of course
526
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Dave also mentions the possibilities of unsolved murders. These can
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be haystacked, I think, is the term that you've used
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where police departments excuse me, the haystacking is where you
529
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you you have a target, but you sort of blend
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them in amongst a whole bunch of people that you've
531
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that you've killed, so what appears random. So that's another
532
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one of the thecs here. And then you also have
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the notion, like you said, of hay stacks of uh,
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you know, police departments kind of stacking these onto one
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guy and really Luke has killed you know, two hundred
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people or whatever, which seems seems a little bit uh implausible.
537
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Yeah, they took him on a tour. I did that
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one yeah, I did that one. Yeah, yeah, that was
539
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me too.
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But I think it's fascinating too that you know, he
541
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tends to mention with these characters that they they could
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have been picked out because they had disassociative identity disorder.
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Uh.
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And that may not necessarily mean that they were like
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programmed in the sense of you like sent on the
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mission to do this. Now, they may have been in
547
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.240
some cases, but rather than that, they would have been
548
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chosen as people who already had mental problems, is when
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I'm try. And that would be the cover, right, They
550
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would never be suspected for being used by the establishment
551
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or some nefarious group precisely because they're crazy.
552
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Yeah. And the reason, I mean the suspicion that that
553
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that sort of uh identification process was in place well
554
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with m k Ultra, the psycho psychiatic profession was completely
555
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taken over by the military and intelligence for the purposes
556
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.000
of doing just that. So I mean, for example, you
557
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mentioned obviously you and Cameron up and up in Canada, uh,
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and he was funded by the Human Ecology Fund, the
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c I A. I mean this was George Esterbrooks World
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War two.
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Uh.
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You've over in the UK at the Tavistak Institute, which
563
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.559
identified you know, shell shock and trauma and how it
564
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could be weaponized and manipulated PTSD and the various Uh.
565
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I think I think every prominent psychiatic hospital institution was
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somewhere or another one involved with mkultra back in the sixties,
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fifties and sixties. Uh, same with the Actually you mentioned
568
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the prisons Vacaville. There was a Angola prison in Louisiana,
569
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and yeah, you mentioned the one in Kentucky. So that's
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been established. So that's I mean, all the some of
571
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the big heavy hitters in psychiatry and psychology were part
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of mk ultra, and so that reporting mechanism would be
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there just for that.
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Yeah, so exactly right, And even even the public information
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is over forty universities in institutions like that were involved,
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so you know, and that would include I'm assuming universities
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that we probably would like. Yeah, it would be some
578
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of the obvious ones like Stanford and Harvard. You know.
579
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.519
The ted Kyzenski was part of the m k Ultra
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project in.
581
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Right, and I think his victims were connected to SRI I. Yeah, okay,
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if if the official narrative is has any truth to
583
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it right, which is which is interesting. I mean, so
584
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he's he was an m k M culture test subject
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or victim.
586
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By the way, just a little aside. Here have you
587
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.519
seen Spellbound.
588
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.239
With with with Gregory Peck?
589
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Right? Yeah?
590
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And yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw years ago with Ingenbergman,
591
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here's all the freudianism I thought was hilarious in it.
592
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Well, it is Roudianism. But what's interesting is that if
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you go back and watch it, Gregory Peck is being
594
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used as the he what the there's a doctor at
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the institute who's framing Gregory Peck for murder.
596
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That's right.
597
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.119
He's doing that because Gregory Peck has this associative identity
598
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disorder and he can't remember what he's done. And so
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I was like, this is in the forties, and I
600
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was watching this the other day. I was like, man,
601
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.159
this is kind of like an analogy for a lot
602
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of Damn Calter type stuff. This fits well with dem
603
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mc gallon's book because this guy believes that he's committed
604
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the murder and it was actually the head of the
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psychiatric institute.
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00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.199
Yeah, that's the one with all the savage or Dolly
607
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:17.880
Art in it.
608
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:23.639
Correct. Yes, it has a surrealist all seeing eye the.
609
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Artwork, and I think it was George Esterbrooks. He was
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the world during World War Two. Was talking about my
611
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.119
control and hypnosis and trauma to create used a disassociated disorder,
612
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.719
multiple snalities to correct.
613
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.960
Yeah, the essay Hypnosis Comes of Age, which is the
614
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.840
most famous one that you can read. This was a
615
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.199
it's online and it's the nineteen seventy one or two
616
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.159
Science Digest essay that he wrote, and that's where he
617
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.920
kind of lays out his bragging about all I can do.
618
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I mean, I think the essay is older than nineteen
619
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.280
seventy one, but it's that's where you'll find it online,
620
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.239
is in that that format. But yeah, that's where he
621
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.199
describes the process of hypnosis and the courier and the
622
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.679
keywords and the triggers.
623
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.920
And all that. And did you catch my interview with
624
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:18.599
doctor Joseph Ferrell recently on common Core? I did, Yeah,
625
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.360
And the he he's made it well and that interview
626
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.559
knows on several and in the book of course, he
627
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:29.760
connected uh, the Electronic Testing Service to the Human Ecology Fund.
628
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:30.920
I did hear that?
629
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.360
And when you're talking about you're you're talking how these
630
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.519
guys could be identified, profiled as you know, through the
631
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.440
various because they're identified as being psychological.
632
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.239
We have the standardized testing exactly standardized testing.
633
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.800
Yeah, and so now, and of course that was all
634
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.440
done at the behest. I mean they contacted I think
635
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.920
it was conit. I think a Harvard who ran it
636
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.000
or something. Man, I forget the name right, remember, but
637
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.920
basically it was It's done to not just identify, you know,
638
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.119
the best and the brightest, or to sort of to
639
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.039
channel people into the professions they think people should do
640
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.559
based on their testing parameters or standards whatever. But you
641
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.000
could you talk about today, I mean talk about the military.
642
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.679
Does the video games write this interactive video games that
643
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.760
go to the Pentagon first shooter games, these things.
644
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.119
Being monitored and kill everybody at the wedding.
645
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:29.280
Yeah, so these people can be identified like that. So
646
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.400
I was imagining the technologies former advanced now just with
647
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.280
obviously with the internet, with our smart devices everywhere and
648
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.559
everything being monitored, what we read, what we buy or
649
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.559
habits being monitored digitally, and that could you know, that
650
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.719
could flags you know, certain you could get flagged and okay,
651
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.880
here we get we got somebody, you know.
652
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:53.480
Yeah, So let's go.
653
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.519
You know, so again it's one of the people hear
654
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.639
the stuff says No, I mean that the the literature
655
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.559
of the history is there, and it's been acknowledged that
656
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.199
these that this was done. And again the all the universities,
657
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.840
all the psychiatic hospitals, these prisons, these institutions, uh they're
658
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.239
supposed to help us protect society were weaponized, you know,
659
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.000
to do something quite opposite of what their with their
660
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.440
public charter claims they're there to do.
661
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.000
And if anybody doubts that, all you have to do
662
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.920
is read the works of Bertrand Russell to understand the
663
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:33.199
scientific outlook m hm. Because it's ruthless, it's not moral.
664
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.199
They don't have any qualms of using people in that way.
665
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.199
Mm hmm. And of course in the book he he
666
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.679
just goes to a list of of of these serial killers.
667
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.400
They all I'm not all of them, but almost military
668
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.199
intelligence backgrounds UHM experience.
669
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.840
Right, Yeah, that's where we would get the potential Phoenix connection.
670
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.800
But I thought it was interesting that, uh I didn't
671
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.719
actually know a whole lot about Henry Ucas, but you know,
672
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.760
he points had a lot of suspicious things like being
673
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.519
pardoned by w Yeah, he's a good man. Henry Lucas
674
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a good boy. He's a good boy, right. But so
675
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.320
he claims that he was in a satanant colt though
676
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you know, so I don't know if it's true, but
677
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.519
that's what Innery Lucas claimed that the hand of Death
678
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:24.000
Cult you used him and that he was a contract killer,
679
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.119
and that this was associated with human trafficking from Puarez
680
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:34.840
into presumably Olpasso or Brownswell or somewhere. And this of
681
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.679
course connects to the Death Cult MS thirteen, which is
682
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:43.320
the Latin American gang that's you know, connected to all
683
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.639
this kind of stuff. And I believe has to have
684
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.559
some kind of help from above. I don't mean God,
685
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:56.199
he's from above from the government, especially with you, because
686
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I watched them documentaries on Sante, which is the cult
687
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.000
which a lot of the MS thirteen are into, and
688
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.280
you look at the guys who runs cult, and there's
689
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.599
totally shady, obviously involved in some kind of some kind
690
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of thing. And that's that jives well with a lot
691
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.320
of what Dave claims in the Henry Lucas chapter. And
692
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you know, this is where we he's a good example
693
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of kind of the archetype of what his thesis is
694
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because Henry was office of a naval intelligence or had
695
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some connection there, or he was spotted there, and maybe
696
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he there's some connection to NATO. I'm looking back at
697
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.679
the at the book here, careful screening of subjects was
698
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.440
accomplished by the Navy psychologists and the military records. Many
699
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.880
were convicted murderers serving prison sentences and they were put
700
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into this program. Yet here we go. So he's arguing
701
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that in chapter eight that Henry Lucas was probably one
702
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.760
of these these people in this kind of a program.
703
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.639
And the military is ruthless. You have to understand that too,
704
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.519
Like they're just as ruthless as the scientism of Bertrand Russell.
705
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.559
Like they don't have any qualms of I mean, they're
706
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:06.840
in the business of killing people.
707
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.639
They weaponized everything.
708
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.599
Right, So you know, to a lot of people, this
709
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is just sounds so you know, well, we're American, we
710
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wouldn't do that. You know, we have the Wounded Warrior Project.
711
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.599
We go back and grab our wounded men, we carry
712
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.840
them back, right, But no, that's not really I mean,
713
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.719
obviously a lot of people in the military are good
714
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.199
natured and would do that. But that doesn't mean that
715
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.880
that's the modus opera. And I have the total totality
716
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.480
of the military. I mean, there's you know, it's compartmentalized.
717
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.800
There's all kinds of secret projects and stuff like this,
718
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.599
and so you know, Dave just kind of lists a
719
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.639
whole bunch of these characters that seem to pop up
720
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.119
around the same time. And you have Berkowitz, and you
721
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:56.159
have I think he mentioned Jim Jones or in some capacity.
722
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.800
I don't know that Jim Jones was necessarily atary connection,
723
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.800
although we know that he had the connection to Dan Miturion,
724
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.639
who was the CIA guy down in.
725
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:10.760
Guy.
726
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.280
Yeah, hello, can you hear me? You're you're getting really
727
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.440
you're cutting up really bad? Have I Now, No, it's
728
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:22.440
just super staticky.
729
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.880
Okay, let me give you and they give you a
730
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.000
call back. Okay, yeah, clear it up.
731
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.880
Than uh so, Yeah, I think this is a chapter
732
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.360
eight is one of the one of the more important
733
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.119
chapters in the book because this is where he's talking
734
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.559
about they're called CTS criminal. I don't know what that
735
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.480
stands for, but these are the people who are in
736
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.719
the Phoenix program and they're they're the ones that are
737
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.440
trained to they're kind of profile to be the psychos,
738
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.000
and then they're kind of let loose obviously the awe
739
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.920
into the offices of psychological terror against the Viet Cong.
740
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.000
And then these people come back, and you know, they're
741
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.719
already known to military, so they could be put to
742
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.440
all kinds of use, right, And that's that's a very
743
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.239
enticing theory, I think.
744
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:11.760
Because what do you do with these men once they
745
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:12.079
come back?
746
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.159
What do you do with these guys? Right? And so anyway,
747
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.239
that's that's I'm flipping through the chapter. So that that
748
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.079
was a really important chapter. And I didn't know anything
749
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.159
about the Mathea mortros culled. That was totally new to
750
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.440
had heard of it, but that was new to me.
751
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.599
And then so you just realized that there's so many
752
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.360
examples of this stuff that it's kind of just been
753
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.519
forgotten in the you know, in the news. Like I
754
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.960
remember this back in the eighties or nineties or whatever
755
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.119
it was, but in the eighties, but you know, we
756
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.639
were told that there was that was all a Satanic
757
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.239
panic created a by Roaldo. There was no real Satanism,
758
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.920
there was none of this. It was just a panic.
759
00:44:53.719 --> 00:45:00.639
Yet throughout the eighties and nineties, the Juarez was the
760
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.679
world capital for missing women. And I actually went and
761
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.599
looked up a lot of Dave's claims and articles on this,
762
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:13.440
not only because I had traveled last summer too California
763
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.159
and stopped in El Paso on the way and I
764
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.480
saw Juarez and it made me think of the movie Cicicario,
765
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.039
and I was thinking, good grief looks so awful over
766
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.480
at Juarez. And in Cecario, the story is that the
767
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:34.559
FBI girl is tricked into working with this military out
768
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.239
of Shae. She's out of Shae for a military outfit
769
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.000
that's run by the CIA, and she thinks that she's
770
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.760
going to take out a drug dealer assassin, and really
771
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.880
all that what what was happening was that the CIA
772
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.840
was taking out a rival drug dealer yea, And so
773
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.599
they do the FBI girl anyway, so that all takes
774
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.559
place in Juarez in the in the movie. Yeah, I'm
775
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.119
sitting here eating this chapter in Dave's book, and I'm like,
776
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.559
this is straight out. This sounds just like Secario. And
777
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.400
you know it's not hard to believe. I mean if
778
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.679
you go and you you know, you look at the
779
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.960
border wall there in El Paso when you look over
780
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.519
into the water as it just for a second, it
781
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:16.360
looks like a hell hole.
782
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.360
Well, they got to keep it a hell hole because
783
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.679
it's also a good source of.
784
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.360
Cheap labor for the Well, that's what Davison points out too,
785
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.440
is that this is a big part of NAPTO was
786
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:31.320
being able to move all the sweatshops there. But you know,
787
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.159
he argues that there's a lot more going on that
788
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.360
it's not just sweatshops that you know, the women are
789
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.039
going missing for a reason. Yeah.
790
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.639
Well, yeah, that Rancho Diablo, which is an interesting name.
791
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.159
For yes, that comes up in here too. Yeah, that's
792
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.599
is that the one that's connected to the mapa Moros.
793
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.719
And there was rated by the Texas Rangers eventually, yes, exactly,
794
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.519
and they found bones all over the place, and again
795
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.760
for years, people ignored it for years. That's just a rumor,
796
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.840
it's a it's a myth. And I think that's the
797
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.039
one that Henry Lucas talked about, isn't it. And Henry
798
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.480
Lucas is an interesting story because you know, he's supposed
799
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.280
to be the serial killer because he teamed up with
800
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.280
two three different people at a time. One of his partners,
801
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.960
tool otis Toole, who has been linked to the death
802
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.000
of Adam Walsh. And everyone knows, you know, the uh
803
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.159
uh most want what's that show on Fox? Uh? Not
804
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.519
most wanted? What was it? Walsh? He'd had that show on.
805
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.079
Fox News America's most wanted.
806
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.800
Of course, that was in nineteen eighty one. His son
807
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.159
missing a sears in a Roebuck in nineteen eighty one
808
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.599
and the boy's head was on floating in the canal
809
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.400
otis tool was taken in for questioning for that crime,
810
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:53.079
and the police at the time lost the machete and
811
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.920
even the I believe in the automobile that he had used,
812
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.360
and they let him go and he and he was
813
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.519
in prison again later on, and he supposedly confessed to
814
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.840
that crime. And if you know, you're probably too young
815
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.000
to remember, but I remember that very well because that
816
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.320
was one of these national stories. We started getting national
817
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.400
stories in the eighties about missing kids. We didn't get
818
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.800
those in the seventies as regional. And it he was
819
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.679
one on Phil Donahue Show and all this, and you know,
820
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.320
it became a crusade about missing exploited children. And of
821
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.679
course the fact that the head was separated, you know,
822
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.840
suggests some sort of maybe satanic thing. But this gets
823
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:38.239
into the sort of the alchemical I guess, element of
824
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.519
the Serira Chillar phenomena that Michael Hoppin gets into. But
825
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.400
even Dave McGowan talks about it creating fear, creating an
826
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.039
adami society where kids can wander, go out in place,
827
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.599
communities no longer cohere. This just getting it out there
828
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.440
like that would terrify the community. And it was.
829
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:55.679
It was.
830
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.880
It was a trauma for the entire nation the way
831
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.920
the media covered it. And and what's strange is, of
832
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.119
course this Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida, otis tools
833
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.800
arrested the governor of Texas. But again, in all the cases,
834
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.320
whether it's the same thing with John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer,
835
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.719
otis tool is inexplicable, complete police incompetence, the failure to
836
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.280
follow up on things. And that's what he points out,
837
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:24.800
you know.
838
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.760
Yeah, and this comes uh to the four especially in
839
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:36.639
the case of Oh my mind just went blank. I
840
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.440
watched the after I read the book, I watched a
841
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.599
four hour TV movie.
842
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.280
Oh that was on John Wayne Gacy with Denny Right.
843
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.639
Yeah, So here he's essentially now that the TV show moved.
844
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.400
The TV movie kind of hints at it, but not really.
845
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.960
They don't go into the fact that he was seems
846
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.719
to have been operating very well with the local police,
847
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.360
you know, as if maybe he was maybe their guy,
848
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.480
you know what I mean, like their guy to take
849
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:15.000
out people, because if there was a gay prostitution slash
850
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.360
drug ring, then presumably in that kind of a setting,
851
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.880
you're going to be worried about narcs, and so you know,
852
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.960
you might need to have somebody around to take out
853
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.239
the narcs. No, I don't know if that's exactly what
854
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.199
was going on with him, but but I mean that
855
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.440
makes that makes sense in terms of the police and
856
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.119
competence and the fact that he was this very prominent
857
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.719
member of the community and the j CS and you know,
858
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.400
all these civic organizations that he was a part of.
859
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.000
David Guta makes a point in the book he talks
860
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.239
about the who idea of the serial killer profile. He says,
861
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.800
most Americans are probably familiar with what is considered the
862
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.559
classic serial killer profile. This was the notion for a
863
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.679
first put forth by the venerable FBI, which coined the
864
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.079
term serial killer and pioneered the concept of profiling in
865
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.199
an alleged attempt to understand the phenomenon of the mass murder.
866
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.239
It appears to be the case, though, that the concept
867
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.239
of the serial killer profile was put forth to largely
868
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:23.039
misinform the public. And if you scrutinize these cases, one
869
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.800
can't help but agree with the mister McCowan on that point,
870
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.159
because none of them like to buy buying torturing, kill killer,
871
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.400
none of us, none of us supposed to kills follow
872
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.079
any profile. And that's one that's the case of hay
873
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.159
Stacking put potentially because one of those first kills was
874
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:45.840
this military guy who told his son that someone's after him,
875
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.679
and the whole family was wiped out, his wife who
876
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.039
was trained in martial arts. Two dogs I think were killed,
877
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.320
another son and him.
878
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.360
Right, and Dave makes the argument that it looks a
879
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:03.760
lot more like a actual operations trained person, Yeah, came
880
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.400
in and did this, as opposed to you know, this
881
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.599
weird creepy guy that's just kind of you know, stalking
882
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.280
around the neighborhood. You know, like like we're what we're
883
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:14.960
told it is.
884
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.239
And uh, the you meant in your talk you talked
885
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.719
about the Zodiac killer you know, and how of course,
886
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.719
how again, well, there's a boot that was identified as
887
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.400
being a navy issue or something, right, right, so military,
888
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.880
And I guess that seems that there again, that seems
889
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.920
to be a case with a lot of people doing it,
890
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:43.679
some of them some of the people.
891
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.280
Yeah, right, yeah, like burke Wood said, and then burke
892
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.920
Wood says, oh, I was at the working at the
893
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.920
behest of a larger satanic cult.
894
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.480
The of course, sena same case came on later, that
895
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.719
was the seventies and Maury Terry's book Positive Theory that
896
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.440
it was a cult doing it, and he just Burger
897
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.119
with himself said he was only to the shootings, right,
898
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.960
And Michael Hoffman sort of examines that case and talking
899
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.880
about all the evidence suggesting that it was indeed multiple,
900
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.400
you know, perpetrators.
901
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.440
Well, one of the points exactly one of the points
902
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:26.800
of Oliver Stone slash Quentin Tarantino's movie Natural Born Killers
903
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:34.800
is that the media is really what creates and gives
904
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.119
everybody the impression of the serial killer. So I mean,
905
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.360
I'm not I don't know how cognizant they were of
906
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.719
Dave's book, but I'm saying or Dave's word because I
907
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.400
think that that that movie came out when I was
908
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.360
in high school. But the point of the movie is
909
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.840
that the media makes these people in two stars, that
910
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.719
makes their media creations, is what I'm trying to say.
911
00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:01.480
And so that once again shows the role of mass
912
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.000
media in terms of sciops. Because you know, if Dave's
913
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.480
thesis is right, then that's why we don't see them anymore.
914
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.679
They're not needed anymore. That's where did all the zero
915
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.800
killers got? Where are they?
916
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.000
Yeah, the work, the work's been done, I guess exactly
917
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.239
the getting into the the why this you look at it?
918
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.840
When the serial killer emerged against the late sixties, I
919
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.920
think the Zodiac Killer was probably we're at you at
920
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.480
the the salvo. The Boston Strangler another case where none
921
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.079
of the doesn't fit any of the profile. In fact,
922
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.159
people think he went to prison for his being the
923
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.480
Boston strangler. He didn't. He was convicted for another crime.
924
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.239
And I think it was weird as f Lee Bailey
925
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.480
was his lawyer who presented the strange defense that he
926
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.039
that he was not innocent, not guilty of the crime
927
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.320
is charged because he was busy strangling somebody. I think
928
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:54.280
that was his defense.
929
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:55.760
Wow.
930
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:58.679
But d Salvo himself looks like some sort of mind
931
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:02.280
control victim. U. Yeah, and there's only there was no age,
932
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:07.800
women of all ages. There's no profile to it, and
933
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.159
it's just one of these weird cases.
934
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.199
Oh. By the way, Ted Bundy also is one of
935
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:18.199
says claims that there were other people involved. Yeah, so
936
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:20.880
that it was he wasn't just him as the loan gunner.
937
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.239
Mm hmm. And that's another thing to remember. He's able
938
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.239
to break out of prison and kill multiple girls at
939
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.280
a sorority. And I mean it's like, how does he
940
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.679
breaks out of prison and able to same thing Richard
941
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.840
Speck remember his case, and he broke into the nurses
942
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:45.440
dorm or something and was able to murder multiple girls
943
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.599
as they waited. I mean they were like locked in
944
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.599
a room and waited. Uh.
945
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.119
Interesting, but I don't remember the detail. But I remember
946
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.440
you noticed this coming up too. And Richard Ramirez' case.
947
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.760
He he said to have been trained by his relative
948
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.719
who was a military killer of some sort.
949
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.880
Yeah, in Vietnam. Was in vietnamause I think his cousin,
950
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.480
the old brother or something. Yeah, it was true.
951
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:16.440
And then Bobby Joe Long is the cousin of Lucas.
952
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:23.559
That's all the family. But look at the context when
953
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.440
this is happening, is we're talking about the nineteen sixties,
954
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.360
the Vietnam War, and what the Vietnam War represented a
955
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.039
lot of motivations for that war. Wasn't the domino theory,
956
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.079
you know. Obviously, one was big war contracts milled, a
957
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.440
lot of spending Kellig Brown and Rute, a lot of
958
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.039
harbors to be dragged, a lot of helicopters get shot
959
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:50.000
down and maintained and replaced in these things. Another motivation
960
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.840
for the war chrismas heroin. We've talked about that. But
961
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.320
another one I think Chris, when I talked to Chris Milligan,
962
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.079
he comes up with the theory that the war itself
963
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.360
was intended as a trauma for society. It's society to
964
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.599
kind of create a divide between generations. Yes, this gets discoes,
965
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.199
you know, they broader theory behind the counterculture. And order
966
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.639
to get the counterculture, you needed a war to protest.
967
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.199
And so the overall trauma of that war. Of course,
968
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.800
within that war and the war itself provided a great
969
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.079
opportunity not only to experience to test various weapons, weapons systems,
970
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.079
weapon platforms, the most of psychological warfare. Of course, Doug
971
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:36.039
Doug Valentine's work on the Phoenix program is invaluable in
972
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.199
understanding the Phoenix program. What his intent was was to
973
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.320
counterinsertainty program to destroy what referred to as the civilians
974
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.480
infrastructure of the Viet Cong. Of course, what that really
975
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:52.599
means is on the ground is killing a lot of
976
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.320
innocent people, torturing a lot of people, terrorizing them.
977
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:01.519
It's what you see in Apocalypse now. Yes, yeah, yeah,
978
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:10.079
and that's of course created by William Colby. And I
979
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:11.079
just lost my train of thought.
980
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:15.119
I was going to say, well, the implication is that
981
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.559
if in order to subdue the civilian population of Vietnam
982
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.239
to achieve whatever reject of the US government had in
983
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.719
Vietnam at the time. Oh yeah, I'm go ahead, I'm sorry.
984
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.440
I remember now. So yeah, what you start to notice
985
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.679
is that these operations that are run for foreign psychological operations.
986
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.119
This is what I've been noticing the last couple of years,
987
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.119
especially when you study the phenomena of the Color revolutions
988
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:48.039
and Arab Spring and then all that kind of stuff,
989
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.039
And then you also look at the School of the
990
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.519
Americas and the Desk squads, and then you start to
991
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.880
realize that that the foreign ops are kind of test tubes,
992
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.360
and then maybe it looks like at times they'll they'll
993
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.400
bring that back home and do it mastically. So it's
994
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.639
not this is a pattern. I guess it's been going
995
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.400
on for a long time, That's what I'm trying to say.
996
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.199
Yeah, and it's attempted to destabilize, and of course you're
997
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.760
going to destabilize Honduras or l Salvador or Peru or
998
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.519
Chile in a different way that you destabilize you know, Springfield, America,
999
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:23.199
you know, Los Angeles. But uh, yeah, so the idea
1000
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.119
of the Phoenix program. Obviously things like the I don't know,
1001
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.679
Department Home Security grew out of the Phoenix program. The
1002
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.199
ideas before it, you know, the basic idea of these
1003
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:39.199
whole idea of of fusion centers is an adaptation of
1004
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.480
the Phoenix program to model people. So all these so
1005
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.320
these things don't go away. They're you know, they're you know,
1006
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:55.519
they're tested and they're modified. But the idea of perhaps uh,
1007
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.320
destabilizing the home front for for a particular reason, for
1008
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.119
some sort of as MIKEA. Hofflin Systems of Alchemical process
1009
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:08.400
so so to debate or degrade, to break down, to
1010
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:13.239
atomize the civilization and the community. And obviously you get
1011
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.800
that with the fear of crime and the serial killer
1012
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.000
the he talks about it. Uh yeah, of.
1013
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.559
Course, that's the grado, the blackening.
1014
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.440
There you go, yeah, yeah, you're right exactly. Of course,
1015
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.519
many serial murders are nothing more than the work of
1016
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.480
a single individual acting on a graphic horror movie he saw,
1017
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.199
or responding to a powerful psychotic impulse, impulses for aggression
1018
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.519
and predation. But many other serial murders involved the cult,
1019
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.559
a cult protected by the US government and the corporate
1020
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.360
media with strong ties to the police. These murders, you know,
1021
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.920
obviously you're starting on John Wan Gacy's evidence of that
1022
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.920
these murders are actually intricately choreographed rituals, performed first on
1023
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.840
a very intimate, secret scale among the initiates themselves in
1024
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.119
order to program them, then on a grand scale amplified
1025
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:03.119
and calculatul and caculably by the electronic media like natural
1026
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.880
born killers. Right right, yeah, So there you go, and
1027
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.559
this one gets in the end, what we have is
1028
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:11.159
a highly symbolic ritual working broadcast and millions of people,
1029
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:13.920
a Satanic inversion, a black mass where the pews are
1030
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:18.840
filled by the entire nation, and through which humanity is paganized, brutalized,
1031
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:24.239
and debased in this negrado phase about chemical process. Yeah,
1032
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.360
so there you go, you're right, yeah, pressure you remember that? Yeah?
1033
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.960
Uh And well, like I can see reading that if
1034
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.719
you're just like an average Joe, you know who just
1035
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:40.280
what is this guy talking about? But the uh and
1036
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.000
you see that in burker Ritz, You see that in
1037
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:44.920
uh in Bundy, you see it in John Wayne Gacy
1038
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:50.039
and all these things. Jack the Ripper, Yeah, Jack the
1039
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.239
Ripper is uh uh he chases the back duffer who
1040
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.440
the guy's Laura gall I think was his name.
1041
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:00.280
Yeah, one of these like high level British Mason.
1042
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:01.480
Free Mason abortionists.
1043
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:01.679
Yea.
1044
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:08.280
And the point is, and he makes the point in
1045
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.679
psychological warfare and secret society's suicide and psychological warfare is
1046
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.760
this sort of process won't work in a society that's healthy.
1047
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.800
So the study has to be broken down bit by
1048
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:25.440
bit gradually, where if society gets brutalized and aren't brutalized
1049
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.920
enough and did great enough, then it does work, because
1050
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.039
a healthy society will have a natural defense mechanism for
1051
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:31.599
these things.
1052
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:37.639
Yes, he uses the term theater of cruelty. So the
1053
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.199
whole nation or the whole society becomes like the horror
1054
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:47.800
movie and it's intended to brutalize, and that that kind
1055
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:50.880
of goes It's a trauma based mind control on a
1056
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:54.599
mass scale. And so in Dave's book, he talks about
1057
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:58.320
the blooding. He's I'd never heard it called that. I've
1058
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.920
just always heard people say, you know, people that are
1059
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:06.559
severely disturbed, like these killers, you know, they're just traumatized.
1060
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.199
But he calls it a blooding that at a certain
1061
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.400
point in their lives, when they're younger, they're intentionally exposed
1062
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:20.000
to the macabre and to something bloody or traumatic. Do
1063
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:21.039
you remember what I'm talking about.
1064
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
1065
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.199
Yeah. Like you know, there's sixteen and they get a
1066
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.760
job at a morgue or something and they're like dealing
1067
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.760
with cadavers and then you know, weird stuff's going on,
1068
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:36.760
and you know, this is I'm not saying that everybody
1069
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:40.159
who is a mortician's evil. I'm just saying that in
1070
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.119
the cases of these people, He's noted that as a
1071
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.000
consistent pattern that you know, they had some sort of
1072
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:54.840
grotesque exposure you know that scarred them I guess in
1073
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.360
some way at a formative period in their life.
1074
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:03.800
Yeah, And he makes point what this, what these uh,
1075
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:08.920
what this trauma creates is? He says, it's a what
1076
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.280
we observe in the population today. Are there three destructive
1077
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.239
symptoms of persons whose minds are controlled by alien forces?
1078
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.280
I guess what he means by that is the psychological
1079
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.840
warfare amnesia, i e. Loss of memory, abulia, loss of will,
1080
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.360
and apathy loss of interest in the events vital to
1081
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.039
one's on health and survival. Amnesia, abulia, and apathy are
1082
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.679
nearly universal amongst today and gaining a greater foothole each
1083
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:36.280
passing day. This and this is done again through the
1084
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:40.320
electronic media, through entertainment. He even talks about what breads
1085
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.800
and circuses and the effects.
1086
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:48.320
Of that Negrado process. Uh. It's a page sixty seven
1087
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:49.840
that may have been where you were reading. But he says,
1088
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.239
in the end, we have a highly symbolic ritual broadcast
1089
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.679
to millions of people, a satanic conversion of black matter,
1090
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:58.960
where the peues are filled with the entire nation, the
1091
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.199
Negrado phase. Then he goes to say. The French adept
1092
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:06.039
Antony and Are Todd, architect of the Theater of Cruelty,
1093
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.679
wrote about this in terms of the group mind. Aside
1094
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.360
from trifling witchcraft of country sorcerers, there are tricks of
1095
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:17.440
global who do in which all alerted consciousness participate periodically.
1096
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.480
That is how the strange forces are aroused and transported
1097
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.719
to the astral vault, to that dark dome. Now this
1098
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:25.679
all sounds kind of crazy, but what the guy's saying
1099
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.880
is that when you have a huge event like the
1100
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.599
whole nation's fixated on Manson or the whole nations fixated
1101
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:39.400
on Zodiac or nine to eleven, that it's understood that
1102
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:46.519
you can reason from the individual to the collective. So
1103
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.760
if you have an individual who is traumatizing because he's
1104
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.840
fixated on you know that the shock that happened, that
1105
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.360
you can do that same process on a mass scale
1106
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.800
through having everybody's energy and focus, you know, an attention
1107
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.440
on you know, whatever this gigantic so called crime is,
1108
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:09.920
z Yeah or Manson or whatever, and that what that
1109
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.480
does is then that everybody's participating in this process of
1110
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:19.840
being being ritualized. You're you're being You're going through the
1111
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.800
ritual process. I've written a bunch of articles on mass
1112
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.559
media is like a ritual process. But but anyway, that's
1113
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:28.480
what that's what happens saying. Is that just just hammering
1114
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.519
home that point that that I've been arguing too, that
1115
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:35.480
you can you can reason from the individual to the
1116
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.599
from the micro to the macro scale to understand and
1117
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.639
that's exactly what they did with the kulture is they've
1118
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.239
expanded the the individual studies to the mass you know.
1119
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:50.199
Yeah, same, not just through the h with drug distribution
1120
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.360
and also with meat, mass media and psychological.
1121
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:54.920
Warfare exactly right.
1122
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.039
Yeah, Yeah, here's the part he says it much better
1123
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.519
than I said. He says talking about he's talking about
1124
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.559
revelation the method, and talking about why would they reveal
1125
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.840
what they're doing? How would that serve the uh, the
1126
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.880
interest of the cryptocracy? He says, why would the perpetrators
1127
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.199
want to their secrets revealed after the fact, even if
1128
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:19.840
it is years later? The question, sorry, the the question
1129
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.679
can only be definitively answered if one has an understanding
1130
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.480
of the zeitgeist, which overseers in the cryptocracy have partly
1131
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:29.199
manufactured and partly tailored their own operations to coincide with
1132
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.360
As I've pointed out, secrets like this were rarely revealed
1133
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.639
in the past because traditional people had yet had not
1134
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.079
yet completed the out chemical processing. To make such perverse
1135
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:44.599
modern revelations to an unprocessed, healthy, vigorous population possessed of will, memory,
1136
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.920
adherence to their deepest inner intuition and interests, and intense
1137
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.440
interest in their own salvation would not have been a
1138
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:53.039
good thing for the cryptocracy. It would have proved fatal
1139
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:57.360
to them. But to reveal it after the acts of secret,
1140
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.519
I'm sorry, oh sorry, But to reveal it, you know,
1141
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.480
players after they've been processed. I lost my quote there. Well,
1142
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.280
basically to reveal it later after they've been processed, they
1143
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.280
can't respond to it, and then they fall into that
1144
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.119
when he was talking about loss of will, loss of memory,
1145
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:21.720
and apathy, and they can then be you know, they
1146
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:22.720
can then be manipulated.
1147
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.680
Yeah, it's like the hypnotist with the victim there, you know,
1148
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.680
like Spengali. This is the government of Spengali and you're
1149
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:38.760
the beautiful young maiden you know, yeah, in the population exactly.
1150
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:43.079
Yeah, but again you're and we're talking again, what's going
1151
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:47.279
on again? It's which why does would go, it's the
1152
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.119
serial killer would come on the scene. In the late
1153
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:52.039
sixties and the height of the Vietnam War, and going
1154
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:55.199
into the seventies, you have the economic crisis of the
1155
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.439
nineteen seventies, the closing of the gold window at the
1156
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.760
end of Breton Woods, the debasement of the dollars and
1157
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:07.520
coincides also the cultural debasement of the of the American people.
1158
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:14.039
This feminism, the promotion of perversion like gay rights through
1159
01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:17.479
planned parenthood, these things. This is trending society upside down
1160
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.720
and making everyone confused. The uh targeting of things like
1161
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.439
the family that was that occurred would also lead to
1162
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:32.560
further degradation also for the trauma, which would complete the process.
1163
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:37.079
What you're seeing now, the confusion we're seeing exactly.
1164
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:41.920
Yeah, yeah, I mean, the the alchemical process includes the
1165
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:48.199
period or the stage of androgyny, and that's ultimately the
1166
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:52.319
meaning of the bathroom met symbol altheum that is, androgynists
1167
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.800
has both genders. And if you listen to a lot
1168
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.720
of interviews with these people who are really into this
1169
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.239
trans stuff, and I'm speaking kind of across the board,
1170
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:11.920
like if they're into transhumanism or trans maybe well maybe transvestite.
1171
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.920
But there's there's some pop culture so called icons who
1172
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:20.600
have uh watched documentaries on who talk about their their
1173
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.439
beliefs and why they wanted to change their genders, like
1174
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:27.199
this weirdoh Genesis p Orridge, who's a kind of a
1175
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:31.399
punk figure, post punk or whatever you call it just
1176
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:36.159
makes noise. The guys mentally eat unstable obviously, but he
1177
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.680
went through the gender process or to some degree gender
1178
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.479
change excuse me, reassign or whatever, and he's he goes
1179
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.680
into it and he starts talking about alchemy. He says, well,
1180
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.319
I'm a fervent believer in alchemy, and I believe that
1181
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:54.920
in the original state of whatever the divine was or
1182
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.079
whatever we evolved from, that it was neither male nor female,
1183
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.399
or in some cases they'll actually say they believe that
1184
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.039
it was female that we all evolve from, like some
1185
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:12.159
sort of feminine primal cell. So you get In other words,
1186
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.840
it's all based on nonsense. It's all based on myths
1187
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:19.039
and gnostic fables. But they will say that since and
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01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.119
this isn't neo platonism too, and platonism, that the original
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01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.640
unity could not have any distinctions or particularities, that couldn't
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01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:31.840
have masculinity or femininity, so it had to be that
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01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:33.880
that has to be the state that we got to
1192
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:37.079
get back to. Right, and this fits all into the
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01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.399
stuff that Huxley talks about openly. So you have to
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01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.359
we have to get rid of distinctions. That the enemy
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01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.119
of the future will be distinctions, distinct nations, distinct genders,
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01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:51.399
distinct racis, distinct religion, distinct claims. All that has to
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01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:56.279
be destroyed in the name of unity and globalism. That's
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01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:00.680
literally what Huxley says. So they are where of alchemy.
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01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.399
In fact, I think even Kestler in Ghosts of the
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01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.319
Machine talks about the whole process is alchemy. And you say, well,
1201
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.359
they're scientists that don't believe in medieval alchemy. Well, it's
1202
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.880
those are just terms for the same process, right. So
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01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:21.680
if you you know, if you take, if you're taking
1204
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.279
genetically modify, if you're if you're taking a fish scale
1205
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:28.880
and putting it into a tomato to make the tomatoes
1206
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:35.119
skin stronger against pesticides, you're not doing anything different than
1207
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.880
what a medieval alchemist wanted to do. He just didn't
1208
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.560
have the means to do it or the technology do
1209
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.079
But that's at least what he was trying to do
1210
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.760
was you know, mess up creation and whatnot. Uh. And
1211
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.840
that's really what alchemy is is just the the the
1212
01:12:50.880 --> 01:13:01.600
attempt to it's the domination of nature through technical ultimately
1213
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.039
at the chemical biological level. Uh. That's that's what I
1214
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.880
read alchemy as. So. Yeah, I mean there's all this
1215
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.399
kind of spiritual stuff that people try to tack onto it.
1216
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.399
Of John d would say, oh, I can turn base
1217
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:20.640
matter into God, you can become God through my alchemical steps,
1218
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.039
and enoch in magic. But I think a lot of
1219
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:24.640
that stuff is just they were just con men.
1220
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:25.800
You know.
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01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:31.680
Alchemy is is more so chemistry. That's what it eventually becomes,
1222
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.399
is the it's chemistry. But but what is so fascinating
1223
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.560
is that even if we deride or laugh at the
1224
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.800
notion of alchemy, you know, what the establishment is doing,
1225
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:48.760
what genetics research is doing, what bioengineering is doing, what
1226
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:53.800
geoengineering is doing, is actually you know, creating the the
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01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:58.560
monstrosities that the alchemist talked about. Yeah, not liberal Well
1228
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.479
I don't know what they actually do in clone labs.
1229
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.479
Who knows what they're doing. But when we look at
1230
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.880
you know, sinomics, and we look at the aborted fetal
1231
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.920
cells being used for the flavoring in pepsi and four
1232
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.600
the vaccines, which is all true. You know that that's alchemy,
1233
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:15.560
that's dark alchemy.
1234
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.800
Yes, you also made it interesting because in your talk
1235
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:25.720
you talk about serial killers, and Michael Hoffman a point
1236
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.680
that's basically it's the promotion of thanatosis, So the cult
1237
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:33.920
of death, it's being promoted in all this h and
1238
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:39.520
you mentioned well, women with multiple abortions and how sort
1239
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:39.800
of the.
1240
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.199
That's never mentioned as psychopathy.
1241
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.600
Yeah, but he makes it's very fun because in psychological warfare,
1242
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:52.840
secret society and psychological warfare. He says, of course, no
1243
01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:56.079
matter what her affiliations, Sharon Tate's murder was a heinous crime.
1244
01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.920
It's interesting to note that while much is made of
1245
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.239
the murder of her unb baby as being the most
1246
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:05.600
horrible part of the Mason gangs are called violence, women
1247
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.920
who pay physicians to kill their unborn babies are not
1248
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:11.640
regarded as guilty of any satanic act, heinous or otherwise.
1249
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.880
With the sacrifice of Sharon Tate's unborn baby somehow a
1250
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:19.199
ritual precursor for the coming mass sacrifice of unborn children,
1251
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.079
which was subsequently legalized by the United States Supreme Court.
1252
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.359
So this was August nineteen seventy nine. Of course, for
1253
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.560
the Wade is January nineteen seventy three. That was an
1254
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:30.439
interesting point.
1255
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:33.439
Yeah, yeah, think about and here we are now with
1256
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.079
Kurt Gosmill, m guys like that.
1257
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:44.079
So so, I mean, people, people might balk at the
1258
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:49.439
idea of ritual and in power behind these kinds of acts.
1259
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:54.239
But if you I'm not saying that shamanism is true.
1260
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.560
Obviously I don't believe in shamanism, but if you read
1261
01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:03.159
the approach that shamans have, or the how they go
1262
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.039
about their process of understanding the world and their ritual
1263
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:09.119
process and all that, even though I think they're totally wrong,
1264
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.840
in a way, it's perhaps spiritually speaking, a little more
1265
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:22.479
closer to the mark because they understand that, you know,
1266
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:27.920
they're tapping into entities on the other side. And we
1267
01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.479
would laugh at that, bulk at that in modern America,
1268
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.479
we think that that's so superstitious and stupid. But you know,
1269
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:38.920
there are many many indigenous tribes and shamans out there
1270
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.159
in the world, and many of them still take hallucinogens.
1271
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.439
This is being promoted in our country I've had bad
1272
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.319
experiences on hallucingens, so I know directly that you know,
1273
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.960
you're tampering with the psyche and you're tampering with your spirit,
1274
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.079
and that's a dangerous road to go down. And I
1275
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.479
also think that the LSD was a big part of it,
1276
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.439
that that just as the shaman goes through an initiation,
1277
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:06.760
the promotion of LSD I think was a kind of
1278
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:16.720
ritual process because again and when Gordon Wasson and you know,
1279
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.560
these characters went and got the ergots for the creation
1280
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:25.439
of LSD at the Sandels Pharmaceutical Corporation, they were also
1281
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:30.920
aware of what the shamans were able to do when
1282
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.720
the shamans would initiate people. So you cannot divorce these
1283
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:43.039
drugs from that process, even though even though we tend
1284
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.520
to think of them as divorced from it, like oh, yeah,
1285
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.520
we're just partying, we're just hanging out, and I'm saying that, No,
1286
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.039
there's an actual power behind these things. That's very dangerous,
1287
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.279
and that's why so many people go crazy and you know,
1288
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.239
jump out of buildings and plunging to their death, and
1289
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.039
you know, see, you know that they get lost in
1290
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.079
other realms in their mind, they're crazy. You know, all
1291
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:07.680
that stuff happens for a reason, because this is very
1292
01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:12.680
dangerous and basically what I'm saying is a satanic is
1293
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.800
what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I'm not saying that
1294
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.800
drugs in themselves are always bad. Obviously, nothing that God
1295
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.159
created in itself is evil. But what I'm saying is
1296
01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:27.239
that the mass promotion of these things and the pharmaceutical
1297
01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:30.399
usage of these things, I think generally speaking, is not
1298
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:31.840
for human well being.
1299
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.000
Yeah, well, that's if you look at the how many
1300
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:37.680
college students I think John Rapperport did I think had
1301
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.359
an article talking about how twenty five percent of college
1302
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:46.800
students are receiving psychotic care. Yes, and they're being dyna
1303
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.880
and they're given you know, psychatrific drugs to deal with
1304
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.800
their problems. When you know, anyone looking at why a
1305
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:58.640
freshman or sophomore college might having might have living problems
1306
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.399
because they're away from home for the first time, not
1307
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.479
doing well. Maybe they received a bad education, poor education
1308
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:05.920
in high school. Maybe I don't know. Maybe you know,
1309
01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:08.079
they're very guilty because they're hooking up too much. Maybe
1310
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.239
they're you know, all types of things that have nothing
1311
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.199
to do with uh, that can that can be dealt
1312
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:18.159
with through pharmacology. Yeah, but the schools themselves have become
1313
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:25.560
not only uh uh instruments for for debt bondage, you know,
1314
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.640
predatory loan institutions, but they've also become a mass mic
1315
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:33.000
control operation, not just through just do poor education or indoctrination,
1316
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:34.279
but through drugs.
1317
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:39.640
Apparently, right right, I did. I would recommend people too.
1318
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:42.239
I did an essay or an article I don't know,
1319
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:46.279
four or five years ago, but I can't remember the
1320
01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:50.079
name of the times, something like Masculine Feminine Wisdom or
1321
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.199
something like that, and it's about the drug experience. And
1322
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:57.279
I'm actually arguing against the use of hallucinogens because I
1323
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:01.239
see them as such a spiritual danger. Nobody talks about
1324
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.520
them as a spiritual danger. And that's what's very surprising
1325
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.359
to me, because you can watch the BBC documentary as
1326
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:10.000
a whole series of this guy, Bruce Perry I think
1327
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.800
is his name, and he just totally really stupid on
1328
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:19.159
his part, went and found like twelve, ten or twelve
1329
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:22.479
different indigenous tribes and he went through the ritual process
1330
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.199
of all these tribes to be initiated in and most
1331
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:29.039
of them involved the usage of hallucinogens and pretty heavy
1332
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:33.920
talksins at times. And you know, he describes this process too,
1333
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.520
and he really he eventually came to realization that it
1334
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:40.960
was all it was. It couldn't really be divorced from
1335
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:49.079
its spiritual significance, and and it ended up being a
1336
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.720
bad thing for him, Like he felt like he had
1337
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.479
to go get like psychiatric help eventually after he had
1338
01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.840
done all this, which was completely stupid. I mean, I
1339
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:02.279
can't yeah, assuming that he really did all this, that
1340
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.159
it wasn't like a BBC put on or something. Yeah,
1341
01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:05.960
he really did this. You know, he had to get
1342
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:10.680
psychiatric help, and you know, he had experienced too much
1343
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:16.279
dark stuff. But you know, I swear on it that
1344
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:20.600
it's real. You will you will encounter dark things. Not
1345
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:22.840
every time, not every single person. I can't speak for,
1346
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:25.680
because it's it's more of a like you kind of
1347
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.840
take this inner journey and you're kind of forced to
1348
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.079
deal with the issues that you have. Now, some people
1349
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.920
think that that's a positive thing and that psychology should
1350
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:36.760
utilize these things. I don't think it is. I think
1351
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:40.199
that's a trick. I think it's totally dark. You look
1352
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.159
at the history of the church for example, when the
1353
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.079
church would do its missionary work and they would find
1354
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:49.319
these indigenous tribes and so forth, they were doing this.
1355
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:53.399
It's almost always the same thing like that the Shamans
1356
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:56.720
who are have been the blast of their mind on
1357
01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.920
these drugs and try to control the people through these drugs.
1358
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:00.399
Uh.
1359
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.560
They they're not These are not healthy people. We have
1360
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:10.039
this mistake and assumption that oh, all the innocent, the
1361
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:14.199
noble savage right of Rousseau or something. That's not true.
1362
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:19.039
These people are not the noble savages, so that that
1363
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:22.399
all needs to be I think debunked. And who's the
1364
01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:30.119
woman who did the the famous anthropologist to Margaret Meat.
1365
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:33.239
Margaret Meat, her stuff is debunked too, that she.
1366
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.239
Was, Yeah, Chris, she was the spouse of great Greed
1367
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:39.880
Bateson who weaponized anthropology. Yeah, it was all done to
1368
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:42.600
exploit primitive people. Then the only problems they look at
1369
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.319
us as primitive, the general public is primitive being for
1370
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:46.760
being manipulated.
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01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:47.319
Uh.
1372
01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:50.560
I well back if you doctor Hans Uder, and we
1373
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.159
were talking about very thing actually, and he's talking about
1374
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.039
you and Cameron and his some of you and Cameron's
1375
01:22:57.039 --> 01:23:00.560
research over there at the Alla Memorial Institute or to
1376
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:06.720
see if psychosis could be well, uh, it could spread
1377
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.680
like a disease, like a contagion.
1378
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:09.880
Mm hmm.
1379
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.079
And well it's interesting because, like anything, if it could
1380
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:18.159
uh under the pretext of trying to contain the contagion,
1381
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.119
they like a buy weapon, they'd seek to weaponize it.
1382
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:25.479
How can you can you spread psychosis like a contagion
1383
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.000
through society? And I think they have and I think
1384
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:33.279
the serial killer, terrorism, these things fear is in a
1385
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:37.239
way doing that because people lose their critical faculties and
1386
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:38.479
that you can see that as a sort of a
1387
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:42.039
psychosis how people respond to these threats that were told exist.
1388
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.359
It's it is a certain psychosis mass communication. I mean
1389
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:51.199
christalpher for Simpson's book the uh the Science of Coercion,
1390
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:54.720
talks about the whole study of mass communication. It's refinement,
1391
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.039
which for mass manipulation. And this goes back to the
1392
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:58.920
Princeton Radio Project. In the world of the worlds and
1393
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:03.840
these things, you know, yeah, it's not there to enlighten
1394
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.279
or educate. And a lot of these these figures, I mean,
1395
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.359
whether they're they're put up there to inform us and
1396
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.479
educate us, they're stage actors, they're they're they're they're spooks,
1397
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:21.840
the s S agents like you know, you know, mm hmm, yeah.
1398
01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:24.960
People have trust in these in these institutions. It's it's amazing,
1399
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:29.720
you know, out of ignurse. I guess I suppose, you know, right.
1400
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:34.399
And another thing too is you can't overlook the the
1401
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.039
the drug aspect of a lot of these killers. So
1402
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.239
a lot of these guys were drug addicts or are
1403
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:41.960
on drugs or.
1404
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:42.560
Were on drugs.
1405
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.479
So you know, like Manson for example, Manson was bombed
1406
01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:50.199
out of his mind on LSD for for all these years. Uh,
1407
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:52.359
and you know he's not he doesn't even really seem
1408
01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:54.880
to be president. Like I don't think that that guy,
1409
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.479
whoever he was originally that persona is gone. Yeah. So
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01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.800
I think that also suggests again a connection to not
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01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.520
just the counterculture and the sixties lifestyle or something like that,
1412
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:16.359
but or the hate Ashbury lifestyle, the flower child lifestyle.
1413
01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:21.079
But you know, I think that suggests more is at work, right,
1414
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:22.800
I mean, because if you've got guys that have been
1415
01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:30.680
through these institutions, the prisons, Vacaville, mental institutions, the juvenile institutions,
1416
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.960
and they've been given or on who knows what hallucinogens.
1417
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:38.640
I mean, I just I don't think that you can
1418
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:45.800
underestimate the intensity of what can be done through the
1419
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.840
chemical concoctions that can be made. I mean, you can,
1420
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.920
you know, especially back in the fifties and sixties, before
1421
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.479
people really knew what these drugs were and what they
1422
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.359
could do. I mean, I tend to think that there's
1423
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:04.000
probably a connection to the UFO phenomenon as well. This
1424
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.880
is just a speculation on my part, but you know,
1425
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:11.239
a lot of the experiences that people have on LSD
1426
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:17.319
or d M T or ayahuasca and all these different ellutions,
1427
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:22.319
they tend to speak like they're talking to aliens too, right,
1428
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.079
if they think they're they're communicating with the gods or
1429
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:30.159
the aliens. So it could also be the case, just
1430
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.399
throwing it out there, what if a lot of the
1431
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:38.359
people who think that they interacted with UFOs they could
1432
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:41.800
have been given drugs and it would it would be
1433
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:49.600
very easy to simulate or cause someone to believe that
1434
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.199
in the midst of a serious drug trip. Yeah, I mean,
1435
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:56.439
that would be very easy to do, especially if you
1436
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.520
know your farmer brown or something in the fifties and
1437
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:02.279
you have no I do what LSD or iahwask Is,
1438
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.960
you know what I mean? And uh, you know you're
1439
01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:07.880
tested on and then you know, all you'd have to
1440
01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:10.920
do is like turn a fan on outside and blink
1441
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:14.359
some lights, you know what I mean. Farmer Brown would
1442
01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:18.920
think that that was a UFO. I mean literally, yeah,
1443
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:20.920
in the midst of and so then he comes on
1444
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:24.680
it comes out, Oh, I've seen I've seen the space visitors.
1445
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.199
They came to me last night. They I was out
1446
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.960
of my body, had out of experience, all of which
1447
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:34.079
all of which lines up with the LSD experience.
1448
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:36.399
That's a great read to. I mean, if you're gonna
1449
01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.920
experiment on someone and just when you finish, when you
1450
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.079
finish with him, just create like an alien experience and
1451
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.680
he's totally discredited if he says he guess what happened
1452
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:48.479
to me, I was pro by aliens or something.
1453
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:53.239
And then I know or or or uh, you know
1454
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.319
Dave mentions in one of the cases, uh kids that
1455
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.840
were that were taking had been drugged as well.
1456
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:00.560
Mm hmm.
1457
01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.039
And now if you're a child and you've been drugged
1458
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:07.000
or given these crazy drugs, these really intense ones like
1459
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:10.640
LSD or something, I mean, there's I think you would
1460
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.319
absolutely dissociate. And imagine if the person who molested you,
1461
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.239
I mean, they could be wearing a Mickey Mouse outfit,
1462
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:20.680
and you know, you could be saying you were molested.
1463
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:22.359
I'm not joking, by the way, you could be saying
1464
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:25.840
I was molested by Mickey Mouse. I was molested by
1465
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.199
somebody wearing an alien you know, I was mosted by aliens.
1466
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:32.680
It was just some pervert and alien suit. Yeah, and
1467
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:34.319
you have their immediate cover.
1468
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.279
Well, I mean using drugs to exploit people. I mean
1469
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:46.880
George Hunter White right operations at midnight Climax, using prostitutes
1470
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.960
to then film the Johns. And he's the one that
1471
01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:53.279
the famous quote that you know I you know I
1472
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.000
what was that quote of his? I raped and murdered.
1473
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.600
I did it all on the under the cover of
1474
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.279
the American flag. Had a good time doing it.
1475
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:03.199
You know.
1476
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:06.119
This is a great quote from him talking about what
1477
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:09.520
he got away with under the cover of national national security.
1478
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:12.359
Mm hmm. So it's was it.
1479
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:15.800
Yeah, they this was operation they did this operation of
1480
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:19.560
midnight Climax that people drugged them and filled them having
1481
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:23.079
sex with prostitutes and who knows what else I mean here, Yeah,
1482
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:26.279
I was I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic.
1483
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:30.000
But I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun,
1484
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:33.720
Or else could a red blooded American boy lie killed, cheat, steel,
1485
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.159
rape and pillage with the sanction the blessing of the
1486
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.279
Hall of the All Highest. George Hunter White who was
1487
01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:42.119
a counter narcotics officer and also worked with the c
1488
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.079
i A. It was part of the early stages Jim
1489
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.640
Carlton operation Midnight Climax and that whole operation of Night Climax.
1490
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.800
They this was a they had these safe houses or
1491
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:52.000
in San Francisco.
1492
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:54.760
Well they just that they bought from the mom they
1493
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:58.000
got it from the mob. Uh.
1494
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:00.880
And then you know the sor as the drugs they
1495
01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:06.159
went kind of with the Olsley Stanley and the Grateful
1496
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:10.119
Dead was the marketing angle for that of spreading, you know,
1497
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:13.279
seating the whole country with LSD, seeing what the reaction
1498
01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.039
would be, and the rock festivals, festivals themselves. It's a
1499
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:19.479
money pop or woodstock And Dave mcgott made a point,
1500
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.079
then sixty nine was interesting year because you had the
1501
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.840
moon landing in July twentieth ninety sixty nine, you're the
1502
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.800
woodstock in August nine, sixty nine, the Manson killings in
1503
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:34.199
sixty nine. It's really all these and they're all syops,
1504
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:36.760
you know, and you can see how they're all being
1505
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.960
a related, how they react, how they would manipulate the
1506
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:43.000
country's emotions one way or the other. I mean, it
1507
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:46.279
really is amazing. And you see it from the broader picture, you.
1508
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.840
Know, Yeah, I mean, and it's it's very difficult to fathom.
1509
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.840
But then I but but when you read you know,
1510
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.920
secret societies and reprogram to kill you, you know, you
1511
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.640
can really get a better picture of how not only
1512
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.880
is it entirely possible, but that is, you know, the
1513
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.600
most plausible explanation for all this.
1514
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:09.000
I would say, yeah, so well, Jay, listen, I want
1515
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:10.960
to think I think anything else, I mean, you think
1516
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:11.720
we covered it or.
1517
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:17.760
I would like to mention the h the last section
1518
01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:23.000
just because it's just so funny, bizarre and weird to me,
1519
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:27.399
and I've never heard anybody else mention this. But just
1520
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:32.920
the character of Jean Badell Bocassa, the puppet ye and
1521
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:38.000
who claimed him proclaimed himself emperor in nineteen seventy seven
1522
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:45.039
of Central African Republic, And what's weird about that? By
1523
01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:46.720
the way I went. I went after I read this,
1524
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.600
I went and I watched a bunch of clips and
1525
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.319
documentaries on this guy. I want this one a whack up.
1526
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:56.119
But he liked to eat his people. He was victorious
1527
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.880
over so he would eat his enemies. And then he
1528
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.319
he fled to France. So a lot of funny the
1529
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:06.439
Iatola did France too.
1530
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:08.600
Yeah, he't out in France too for a while. Yeah,
1531
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:10.399
a while.
1532
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.279
A lot of people flee to France. But yeah, so
1533
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:16.880
you know, we think of cannibalism and these kinds of
1534
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:22.399
things as out of the realm of possibility, and nobody
1535
01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:26.920
does that. But yeah, I think that again. You get
1536
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:31.680
people whacked out on drugs and they will eat people. Okay,
1537
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.720
that's my concluding salvo there.
1538
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:37.319
Oh, there was one interesting case they might remember.
1539
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:37.560
Uh.
1540
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:39.960
One of the later serial killers of the nineties was
1541
01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.960
petering out. Was this character Joel Rifkin.
1542
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:44.880
Uh.
1543
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.520
You might remember him from the Seinfeld as a character
1544
01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:49.960
named Joe Wifton and Seinfeld is a joke. He shared
1545
01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:52.359
the name of a serial killer he carried killed a
1546
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.119
bunch of processuts up in the New York area.
1547
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:55.079
Uh.
1548
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:58.960
Well, it turns out, yeah, he was an American Syrica
1549
01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.920
nineth ninety four to two and three two hundred and
1550
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:04.800
three years in prison for murder murders of nine women
1551
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.680
between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety three. He is
1552
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:10.279
believed to have killed seventeen victims between ninety nine nineteen
1553
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:12.319
ninety three. New York City and the Long Island, New
1554
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:16.640
York area. Well, it's interesting is Rifkin often hired prostitutes
1555
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:18.520
in Brooklyn and Manhattan. He lived in East Meadow, a
1556
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.640
suburban town on Long Island. He was a landscaper for
1557
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:24.439
William Casey's widow.
1558
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.560
Yes, okay, yeah, somebody somebody brought that up the other
1559
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:32.039
day on a YouTube video I did. Yeah. And also,
1560
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:37.359
don't forget Dahmer hanging out with no excuse me John
1561
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:41.760
Wayne Gacy. Well, Dahmer was able to get his high
1562
01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:47.039
school class like the VIP tour of the Vice President's office,
1563
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.840
and then he was going to be an up and
1564
01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:53.399
up and coming GOP guy. And then it was John WAYE.
1565
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:59.680
Gacy hanging out meeting Jimmy Carter's wife.
1566
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:05.039
That's right, just after having a conviction for child lasstation.
1567
01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.239
He was already convicted sex offender, and he got the
1568
01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:12.199
so he got the secret Service button, which usually means
1569
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:17.119
they're vetted, so which is even more inexplicable. That's just
1570
01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:20.840
you know, I mean even more in expled what's interesting.
1571
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:22.640
And you mentioned he got the Dahmer got the tour
1572
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:24.800
of Walter Monder's office. I think it was nineteen seventy
1573
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.760
seven to nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, this may not have
1574
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:32.279
may not be connected at all, but if I recall
1575
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:37.840
my research, Walter Mondale sponsored a law, a federal law
1576
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:45.640
which gave bonuses for child Protective Service personnel when they
1577
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:49.960
get kids that are taken out of homes for abuse
1578
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:55.279
reasons supposedly, uh, and get him adopted. It's a federal law.
1579
01:34:55.279 --> 01:35:00.159
Forget the name of the law itself. Okay, there is
1580
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.640
Georgia State senator I think it was was a Deborah
1581
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:06.880
Schaeffer who was exposed in the corruption and child Protective
1582
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:10.039
Service as there was a yes, remember a child trafficking ring.
1583
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:13.039
And part of the incentive for these agents that the
1584
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.600
child pictures was that federal law. They get like a
1585
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:19.239
five thousand dollars cash bonus. Each kid is removed from
1586
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:23.279
who that has adopted from foster care, which means that
1587
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:25.000
kid first has to be removed from a family and
1588
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:27.479
put in the foster care. And she said there was
1589
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.960
a child trafficking ring being operated under the cover of
1590
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.079
that of that service largely funded by the federal law.
1591
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:36.680
Walter Monduls, the Senator, was a sponsor of that of
1592
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.640
that bill. Wow, Okay, I don't know if that's connected
1593
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:41.399
at all to it, but it's interesting.
1594
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:43.279
To well, it makes sense. But hey, I have a
1595
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:43.840
couple of questions.
1596
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.920
And of course, Jeffrey Dahmer right going, who was involved
1597
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:49.239
in child sex, rape, murder and all that stuff.
1598
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:53.920
You know, so, well, what you think about Dave's book.
1599
01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.800
Do you agree with the thesis that a lot of
1600
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:01.199
the serial killer stuff is hyped up? I mean, I
1601
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:06.920
think that you know, there are contract hits, and there
1602
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.119
are these drug gangs, and there is m S thirteen.
1603
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:12.880
That's a real thing. But I mean, do you think
1604
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:17.239
that do you think do you think the Damer thing,
1605
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:21.239
for example, was exaggerated or do you think that it
1606
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:24.239
was you know, the way they told it.
1607
01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.279
That's interesting.
1608
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.399
You think he had, you know, bodies in the freezer
1609
01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:29.840
and stuff.
1610
01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.920
I see no reason. I see no reason to implicitly
1611
01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.520
trust with the news we reported about that that could
1612
01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:41.760
all be bs right, and the idea again that gets
1613
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:45.039
into the whole reason why that gets to the Mica
1614
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:49.279
Hoffman's thesis. These these people may not be as spectaculars
1615
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.159
as they think they're there aspect spectaculing the way that
1616
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:57.760
is gruesome as we're told, because again we're dealing with
1617
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:02.039
the media which hesitant sensationalism and of its in and
1618
01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:04.680
of itself. But we'll get into what Michael Hoffin says
1619
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:07.840
about the we're all seeing the pews of the electronic media,
1620
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:10.600
and we're all taking this in and just to reporting
1621
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:15.159
us as gruesomeness, gruesomenessness, a gruesomeness, what's the word, the
1622
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.680
gruesome details is going to have that very effect on us,
1623
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.079
you know this, we'll talk about it, and has that
1624
01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:26.520
effect that's sort of a degrading of society in general.
1625
01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.439
So what would you say, like in Henry Lucas case,
1626
01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:32.720
what do you think is the most we think is
1627
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:34.840
most likely that went down that they just kind of
1628
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:37.720
grouped a whole bunch of unsolved ones.
1629
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:40.840
I don't see one man, you know, being guilty, you know,
1630
01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.359
being a bit'll pull off hundreds of murders without he
1631
01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:48.840
himself getting killed at some point. It's not easy to
1632
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.359
kill people. I mean it's right, I mean, you can
1633
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:53.439
get away with a few times, but killing a human
1634
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.239
being is difficult. Human being fights back, so it has
1635
01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:58.239
to be I mean a group of people. I mean
1636
01:37:58.319 --> 01:37:59.520
a trained killer can do it.
1637
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:00.479
I guess right.
1638
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.359
Uh. But you know again, I think I think that
1639
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.439
that's kind of uh. I think Henry Lucas there was
1640
01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:07.479
there to close a lot of again, to close the books.
1641
01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:10.199
One thing that David mcgot didn't include in the books
1642
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.439
that Kurd afterwards was the the d C sniper case.
1643
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:18.000
John Muhammad is bt K after the book too.
1644
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:20.119
Yeah, after the book as well, he talks about it
1645
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.079
because the interview, Yeah, yeah, in the interview, but the
1646
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:27.199
I was I'm in the area where the d C
1647
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.319
sniper was. In fact, that there's a lady killed just
1648
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:33.199
down the street from my brother's house right now.
1649
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:37.039
There were news stories that he that he left the
1650
01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:39.479
death card, which is the Special Forces card.
1651
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.520
Yeah, yeah, I remember that. And then also the fact
1652
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:49.199
that the police chief Ountain, Moncolm mc County Moose, apparently
1653
01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:51.880
was at the same base as John Allen muhammed out
1654
01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:54.920
in Oregon. And that's it's weird. Remember that weird message
1655
01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.039
he left for him, that cryptic messages and on the
1656
01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:00.680
phone he called these comes out on to the police station.
1657
01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:04.199
Weird leaves us. It was almost like it's triggering And
1658
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:07.520
the next day I think he's caught in the sleeping
1659
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:08.359
in the car or something.
1660
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:14.600
Right, Yeah, yeah, Oh was there ever a reasoning for
1661
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:15.640
why he was doing that.
1662
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:19.880
They concocted some sort of idea where he was going out,
1663
01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.239
he was gonna go after his wife and then create
1664
01:39:22.279 --> 01:39:23.960
a bunch of murders to cover it up, which goes
1665
01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:28.760
in that haystacking uh thesis. But they think he again
1666
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:31.720
the media went and said, well, you know, they're probably
1667
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:34.680
responsible for these murders too. Actually did that? They shore
1668
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:37.199
like all these different murders and different states. How John
1669
01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.439
Allen Hamma is probably responsi for those murders as well.
1670
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.560
But he he himself had unexplained income. He traveled, kids,
1671
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.600
went to private school, he went on ski trips, went
1672
01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:48.359
to the went to the went to the Caribbean several times.
1673
01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:50.319
Oh, he was probably a contract.
1674
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:53.760
Yeah, so that's what it sounds like. Uh and uh,
1675
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.079
it's you know, given the time that happened, it was
1676
01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:58.359
the fall of two thousand and two, a year after
1677
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:02.039
nine to eleven, and I remember the time thinking what
1678
01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.119
the heck's going on? And these weird things were Actually
1679
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:09.880
they actually said that look for a white panel van.
1680
01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:11.640
Yeah, I remember that.
1681
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:16.600
Now. If you drive on the highways around here, I
1682
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.680
think every tenth car is a white panel van. What's
1683
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:21.119
the I mean.
1684
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:23.239
So that just makes everybody freak.
1685
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.800
Out, freak out, Yeah, And so that gets in this
1686
01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.199
whole idea of you know, holdings to the serial killers.
1687
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:31.439
I remember joking at the time it was like getting
1688
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.439
gasoline pulling people like ducking make my wife go out
1689
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.680
and pump the gas. Hey, honey, can you get at
1690
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:39.039
this time?
1691
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:41.399
Yeah?
1692
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:42.560
I want to live.
1693
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:48.319
And it's just as kind of silly as the terrorist story, right, because.
1694
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.279
You your chances of being a victim ian more likely
1695
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:53.520
getting hit by a car or getting in a car accident.
1696
01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:56.760
We're getting sniped. But again it's the psychological effect. And
1697
01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:58.800
of course within those killings was this one lady I
1698
01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:02.800
think her name is Barbara Franklynn was an FBI agent
1699
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.279
who was involved in the weapons and mass destruction cover
1700
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:10.000
up or something okay, and she was gunned down outside
1701
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:13.800
of home depot so that's an interesting case there. But
1702
01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:15.680
again it's one of the other things. If you look
1703
01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:17.319
at all these serial killers, the idea of you being
1704
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:20.760
killed by a serial killer, the odds, oh really you better,
1705
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.800
you more more likely get struck by lightning. And but
1706
01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:28.439
again the psychological effect. I think David Berkerwitz, the Son
1707
01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:32.279
of Sam, even the official narrative six six eight victims,
1708
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:35.960
six fatalities and how many how many homicides are there
1709
01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:37.560
are there in New York City every year?
1710
01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:40.239
Yeah? Exactly. Another thing too. I remember I was reading
1711
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.479
some of the pop stuff, like Psychology Today articles a
1712
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:49.319
few years ago about quote serial killers, and you know,
1713
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:52.520
it's it's a very pc and it's like the serial
1714
01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:55.880
killers of middle aged white male who wears the the
1715
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:59.880
wire rim glasses and he's yeah, yeah, very very neat,
1716
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:01.840
tucks his shirt in and all this kind of stuff.
1717
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:05.159
And I'm sitting here thinking, well, actually, you can go
1718
01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:09.279
look it up. Just the mainstream story. At least, there's
1719
01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:13.600
quite a few female serial killers that are never talked about,
1720
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.920
but there are they do exist. There are also black
1721
01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.800
guys who were serial killers that are not talked about.
1722
01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:24.840
So actually that the I would say that the there
1723
01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:30.000
are you know Latino killers who are pretty vicious, especially
1724
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.720
MS thirteen gang types. So the idea that this is
1725
01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:36.600
like the white male, middle aged white male is the
1726
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:40.600
serial killer is pretty ludicrous. And I also tend to
1727
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:44.279
argue too that I think women who have no compunction
1728
01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:47.560
and have had, you know, five abortions, I don't see
1729
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:48.920
why that's not a serial killer either.
1730
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.000
Yeah. Yeah, well that goes back to what the Dave
1731
01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.920
McGowan said about the whole idea of by profiling that's
1732
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.239
there to mislead the public about what the serial killer is. Thing.
1733
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:03.239
There's aren't these organic guys that go out and you know,
1734
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:05.600
they have this obsession and they're you know, like in
1735
01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:09.479
Slians of the Lambs, was going after like something, yeah,
1736
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:12.239
like Cladish.
1737
01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:15.479
Yeah, it's hunting down you know, doctor lector. Yeah. Right.
1738
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:17.880
The myth is they're they're actually on a mission, and
1739
01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:20.000
the same way in Phoenix, where yeah, they're doing a
1740
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:22.439
lot of killing, but there's a reason for it and
1741
01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.319
they may they may just they may enjoy it like
1742
01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:29.920
in Phoenix. Uh, but there's they're they're they have controllers
1743
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:32.159
and the same thing you talk about these M S
1744
01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:36.439
thirteen guys. Uh where Yeah, there's a cult element to it,
1745
01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:39.640
because that's how you organize. Hey, that's how you motivate
1746
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:45.000
and motivate and control people. But they have handles there,
1747
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.119
and they're they're murdering for a reason, right, They're murdering,
1748
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:50.760
murdering for a reason. A lot of the black crime
1749
01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:54.119
they're staring black crime rates in the nineteen sixties. At
1750
01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:56.479
first glance, that may have appeared to be you know,
1751
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:03.279
disorganized or or sporadic, but it turns out that a
1752
01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:06.199
lot of these these gang black gangs were being funded
1753
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:09.800
by the by the federal government through the community Black grants.
1754
01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:14.119
And I believe it was revealed in the Church Committee
1755
01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:18.520
hearings in the nineteen seventies that Sergeant Schreiver, when he
1756
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:24.079
ran the the Office of econ Economic Opportunity uh gave
1757
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:26.359
a close to a million dollars to this group called
1758
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:29.720
the black Stone Rangers, a criminal gang in Chicago, I think.
1759
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.680
And what the function of those groups was to more
1760
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:35.199
or less just to go out create mayhem, create create
1761
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:38.319
a lot of crime, to chase out the whites. And
1762
01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:41.399
this is all part of this program to destroy the
1763
01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:45.720
ethnic neighborhoods, the white ethnic neighborhoods. And encouraged the creation
1764
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:51.800
the diaspor into them into suburbia. So this is all
1765
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:54.119
part of a sort of a strategy tension and destabilization.
1766
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.159
You mentioned that movie Circario, right, I mean, that's with
1767
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:04.159
that James Brow character. He tells the lady FBI agent
1768
01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:06.840
that they're just down there, you know, you know, shaking
1769
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.640
some treaties during trouble to see what happens. Of course,
1770
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.600
what that really means on the ground is they're going
1771
01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:14.760
in there creating shootouts on the streets, making life a
1772
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.920
living hell for the inhabitants down there in Mexico. And
1773
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.159
you know, in your war as they could care less.
1774
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:21.079
You know.
1775
01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:26.600
That's the same way that perhaps criminal activities such as
1776
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:30.600
drug drug dealing, importation drugs in the certain neighborhoods in
1777
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:32.640
the United States, it could be all part of a
1778
01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:34.680
sort of a gentrification program.
1779
01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:35.000
You know.
1780
01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.439
That's twenty years in the offense.
1781
01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:38.800
Right, Yeah, that's kind of what.
1782
01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:45.760
And it's the same thing with uh And that was
1783
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.399
I mean that one of my points that this was
1784
01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:52.279
this was this type of strategy was was documented and
1785
01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:54.760
improven in the sixties with the Black student Rangers. You've
1786
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:58.239
mentioned how the the the Black Panthers.
1787
01:45:58.279 --> 01:46:01.680
Were radicalized and Richard Aoki.
1788
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.000
Yeah, and then taken out when they murdered Freddie Hampton
1789
01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.119
because they got out of control. They've they've done their job,
1790
01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:09.319
the shelf off had expired, and then they take them out.
1791
01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:11.760
And when they're taken out, they're used as propaganda for
1792
01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:12.439
the police state.
1793
01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:13.560
Exactly.
1794
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:16.439
In the nineteen seventies you had the Simils Liberation Army, right,
1795
01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:19.720
which grew out of Vaucaville and Colton Westbrook, and.
1796
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:24.039
And that that with Charles Whittmore leads to the creation
1797
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.840
of the swat team and federalization of local police.
1798
01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:29.399
The police force. Say that whole shootout, which seems which
1799
01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:34.119
is probably staged. There's some question about Weatherman right, about
1800
01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.560
the growing out of rests and why Billy Aires was
1801
01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:38.560
never read. You know what guilty as hell for as
1802
01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:42.159
a bird was this quote? Yeah, you know the government
1803
01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:45.000
you know, technicality, we can't convict him. And that's a
1804
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.479
statement of course. He's he's lived a charmed.
1805
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:53.279
Existence, right, with a whole bunch of foundation funding his stuff.
1806
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:59.880
So yeah, So I mean, the the silly killer these
1807
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.760
this fits right into this. It's the all destabilization and
1808
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:09.960
then psychological warfare bundled in with maybe targeted killings and
1809
01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:16.760
drug running and you know, it's, uh, it's what they do.
1810
01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:21.960
Part of understanding this, I think is is probably it
1811
01:47:22.039 --> 01:47:25.640
goes back to maybe go back to maybe Doug Valentine's
1812
01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.399
book in the Phoenix Program and thinking how would that
1813
01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:30.720
be applied domestically And that's just how it would be
1814
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:35.800
applied domestically here, and how it's an influenced domestic policy
1815
01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:38.840
with the Department of Homeland Security, the Fusion centers, the
1816
01:47:39.119 --> 01:47:43.760
idea of you know, manipulating the media these things. How again,
1817
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:46.600
how it's then how it's projected through these movies, through
1818
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.960
electronic media and promoted. And your your question of regarding
1819
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.600
or some of these stories exagger the groos, you know,
1820
01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:55.960
the gruesome details. Are they presented as you know? Yeah,
1821
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:57.880
you're right. I mean there's no reason even to you know,
1822
01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:01.159
you know, to assume that that's even correct. It's just
1823
01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:04.760
it just goes it's for our consumption, you know, good.
1824
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.680
Right, Yeah, Yeah, It's it's very Hollywood, isn't it.
1825
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.560
And it's like that, and it's like you know, like
1826
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:14.000
the Serira killar area with the heads propped up, I
1827
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:15.039
have to buy the dining.
1828
01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:18.840
Room at the end of seven where yeah, you know,
1829
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:22.239
who is it, Brad Brad Pitt sees his girlfriend's head
1830
01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:22.640
or something.
1831
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.319
Yeah, decapitated wife's head or decapitated air right, yeah, in
1832
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:29.359
the in the box there and all that. So yeah,
1833
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:31.880
so well let's say, yeah, well, yeah, it was a
1834
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.039
great talk. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, your analysis
1835
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:38.079
was a good program to kill. Is there anything else?
1836
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:43.159
No, I think that that's good. I mean there could
1837
01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:46.159
be a whole probably, yeah, there could be a whole
1838
01:48:46.199 --> 01:48:49.920
separate discussion of the secret societies and psychological warfare. But yeah,
1839
01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:51.560
both of the books dubtail.
1840
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:55.680
Well again, the serial killer phenomenon tends to the coincide
1841
01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:58.720
with a psychological warfare. The post war era sort of
1842
01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:02.319
a well, the Vietnam more, the economic problems, the trauma,
1843
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:07.079
societal of destabilization. The whole thing was sizon to be
1844
01:49:07.159 --> 01:49:11.199
turning upside down. And yeah, the old rules didn't apply anymore.
1845
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:14.119
Families were breaking up in the hot you know, increasing
1846
01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:18.359
divorce rate, the yeah, all this stuff, Uh, it's all
1847
01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:19.920
part of it. It was all part of it. And
1848
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.640
see it in the in that context, and.
1849
01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:24.239
I think it's important to point out too, that it
1850
01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:28.880
seems to be consistent phase, logical phases and steps. So,
1851
01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:32.199
like I was saying at the beginning, and the pop culture,
1852
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:36.880
you get business plans or phases or steps of what's
1853
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.560
considered revolution and counter establishment. You know, back then it
1854
01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:44.680
was smoking dope and listening to the doors and sleeping
1855
01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:50.840
around free love. Now it's fight the establishment patriarchy's genders
1856
01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:54.800
that they've imposed on you. Yeah, that's the phases of
1857
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:56.760
the degradation, and.
1858
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.680
You couldn't get yeah, I'm sorry, as well.
1859
01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:03.920
As passing from Oh, the sixties are a revolution against
1860
01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.800
you know, the nineteen forties and fifties corporate man and
1861
01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:10.680
the you know, the company man, and we're going to
1862
01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:12.239
be free from all that, and we're going to be
1863
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:17.039
anti war. And then it becomes the serial killer phase, right,
1864
01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:19.319
and then it becomes the war on terror phase. Right,
1865
01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:22.479
So there's there's no more serial killers, but there's all
1866
01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:23.399
the terrorists everywhere.
1867
01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:27.039
And then there's also the health, the health scares like
1868
01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:28.960
the AIDS crisis, AIDS hysteria.
1869
01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:30.960
Oh yeah, that's a great one, which is mentioned as
1870
01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:32.680
an actual psychological war preparation.
1871
01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:36.560
Yes, yeah, for that very purpose to further the great society,
1872
01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:39.119
the hyper sexualized society, which is a big part of this,
1873
01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:41.680
by the way, because the hyper sexualization you get the
1874
01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:45.039
uh well, you get the violence, you get the serial killer.
1875
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:47.479
Sexual sex is a big thing with the serial killer.
1876
01:50:48.640 --> 01:50:51.439
Yeah. Yeah, a sex deaf cult is a good way
1877
01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:51.920
to put it in.
1878
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:55.000
And it's funny how you remove sex from procreation, you
1879
01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:56.239
immediately start.
1880
01:50:56.039 --> 01:51:01.119
To use it becomes connected to death. Death, yeah right,
1881
01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:05.039
the les petite more the little death. Yeah, as the
1882
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:06.920
French term for organizasms.
1883
01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:12.359
That's interesting. Wow, I didn't know that. Well, okay, well, Jake, listen,
1884
01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:13.800
I kept you a long time on to thank you.
1885
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:15.680
I know you've been very busy lady, and you've been
1886
01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:18.000
very generous with your time. I'm really appreciated it. Thank you,
1887
01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:21.159
thank you, And you'll be headed out soon back to
1888
01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:22.800
do some more filming. So I wish you, wish you
1889
01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:27.279
safe travels. Appreciate that, and uh we'll talk later on
1890
01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:29.920
maybe you're uh later in the spring, early in the summer.
1891
01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:31.000
See whatever comes up.