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Hello everybody, and welcome to the last interview of twenty
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twenty five, the Jake Sake with Jacob elash Our podcast.
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I'm your host, Jacob Elacher, chief controvers writer, and we
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got a lot to get ground to cover.
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So I'm so honored welcome back one of my all
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time favorite guests.
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He is an eight time winning you Emmy winning journalist
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and Commas and the author of this incredible book.
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You have four minutes my life as an unlikely celebrity interviewer.
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Please give it up, poor mister Michael.
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Hello, good to be here.
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Michael.
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It's such a pleasure to have you here on the
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FOT To be the last guests of twenty twenty five,
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that's a lot.
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Of pressure, Jacob, and I know the hey Yaia.
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If there's only one person that can do it, it's you.
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Oh you're sweet. I appreciate you.
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Alrnie, So it has I know you have grown a
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lot since the last time you spoke.
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So what how have you grown as a interviewer and
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a writer.
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Well, let's see.
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You know, this book has been a work in progress
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for literally the last five years. So when it finally
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got released in September of this year. I felt like,
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I'm not even kidding, I felt like I gave birth.
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I think that thing had been jest dating for five years.
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So it's nice to finally see it in people's hands.
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It's nice to finally see it out in the wild.
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And how have I grown?
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I just I think my getting this book out there
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has really opened up a lot of doors.
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It's really gotten me a lot more interview opportunities.
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That's for sures, Because you know, I was a pretty
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I was a pretty robust celebrity entertainment reporter before.
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But now I got a book under my belt, so yay,
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go me, ye tell you? Is right.
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So we got a lot of ground covering such a
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little time, however we got I got to talk about
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some of these entries. So let's start with Miss Joke,
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the legendary Joe Anne Worley and she popped your cherry.
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Jane really was the very first celebrity that I ever
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interviewed out of the gate, and it was only literal
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literally by happenstance. I was working at a TV station
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in Des Moines and at the at the news in
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the newsroom that I was working at, none of the
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other reporters wanted anything to do with entertainment.
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They were all about crime and politics. You know, it
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was the nineties.
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If it bleeds, it leads, And so I remember the
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very sweaty assignment editor being like, uh, oh, my gosh,
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there's a already coming in over the lunch hower. I
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totally forgot about it. Who wants it? And it was
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like cockroaches when you turn the lights on. Reporters scattered
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out of the newsroom and that left me and I
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wasn't even a reporter at the time. I would think
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I was doing promotion or something, and I was like, well,
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I'll do it, and he.
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Was like, well, good, go get ready, she's almost here.
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Well she was already here.
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She was already in the news she was already like
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getting ready in the bathroom.
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And so by in the three minutes.
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That the videographer had to set up, which was hilarious,
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it was literally the set looked like between two ferns.
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I'm not even kidding.
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Suddenly Joanne really magically appeared out of the ether. I
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think she repelled down from the ceiling because suddenly she
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was standing right in front of me and I I
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had no where, I had no warning who the interview
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subject was what we were talking about and Jacob it
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was awful. It was the It was literally Joan Worley
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was so patient because I was an idiot. And then
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the next week, oddly Sherman Hemsley from The Jeffersons showed up,
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and then the week after that was Dennis Weaver. So
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my career was literally they were like, just get Mackie.
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He'll do it because none of the other reporters wanted
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to do it. So that young man is my foray
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into entertainment reporting with a bunch of B and C
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list TV stars from yesteryear.
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Speaking of Yesteryear, but an icon, I don't believe he.
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Had dacity to say perky boobies up Marie to Marie osbend.
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Well. Okay, so Marie, Donnie and Marie were on a tour,
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a nationwide tour to promote their like short lived talk
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show back in I think.
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It was the nineties, I believe late nineties ninety.
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Nine, and I had been at this TV station KMBC
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in it here in Kansas City for like ten minutes
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before my Boston formula. They were coming in and spending
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an entire day to promote their show. And I was
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going to be their handler. Okay, great, I don't I
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don't know anything about being handler to Donnie and or Marie.
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day there and I was attached to them like glue.
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And at the very end of the day, they.
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Marie weekdays at three here on k ANDBC nine News
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or whatever.
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Marie you could tell she was on fumes. She started
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like just slumping in her chair and it was noticeable.
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I mean, you could just tell she was tired and whatever.
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And so I kept hearing in my ear, Mackie, get
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her just set up straight, get her to set up straight.
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So I just did what Mackie does, and I yelled
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across the room. I was like, Murray, Perky, Booby's up.
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And let's just say smiled, Perky sat up. Booby's up, Donnie,
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and they went right on and did their thing. Apparently,
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though behind the scenes, I had created a rift in
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the time space continuum because I had said Perky, Booby's
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up to Marie Osman.
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She didn't care. But I can't believe.
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I think that was my third day on the job,
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and my third day on the job was almost my last.
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Day on the job. I got in so much trouble
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for saying that.
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Oops, oops is right, Oops is right. But we also
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had some very interesting moments.
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As well off camera when he had dinner with Jay Butler.
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Uh yeah, So Jake Cutler had just competed in his
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first Mister Olympia, the bodybuilding competition, and he was runner up.
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He had not won yet, and he was a spokesperson
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for one of my clients. And again, because my life
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works in mysterious ways, literally, the ad agency was like, hey,
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you are responsible for Jake Cutler from the minute his
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plane lands to the minute his plane takes off. Okay, great,
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I'm here for it. Well, Jay was training for the
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next year's Mister Olympia, and so he was eating like
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fourteen times a day. I'm not even kidding. He was
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eating and working out. If we weren't on set, he
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was eating and or working out, and or sometimes eating
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while working out.
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Anyway, it was my birthday and I said, Hey, I'm
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gonna drop you off at the gym. And then I've
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got you a car service to take you back to
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the hotel. He was like, well, what are you doing?
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Were you why aren't we doing dinner? I said, oh, well,
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it's my birthday tonight. He was like, well, okay.
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First of all, Jake Cutler sounds like he sounds like
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someone who has potatoes in his mouth. So he was like,
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while we're mugging out with dinner, owl, I would like
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to go off with dinner. I'm not good enough to
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go out to dinner with you. And I was like, well, sure,
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I didn't tell any of my friends. I just had
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the car service drop him off at the restaurant.
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That we were eating at.
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Let me tell you, mouths didn't just hit the floor.
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They went into the sub basement when Jake Cutler walked in,
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sat down and proceeded to eat dinner with me and six.
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Of my closest gay friends. So that's my birthday story
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with Jake Color.
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And he could not have been nicer or more accommodating.
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And I think I counted. I think he ate something
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like twenty two.
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Chicken breasts at dinner that night. It was odd.
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It was impressive, And by impressive I mean appalling, but
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when you're you know, mister Olympia, you gotta you gotta,
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you gotta eat alrighty.
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One of the important things that you were a part
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of was Kansas City Live. Of all the cant see
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Live sort of that could get to a lot of them,
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only they were all. The top three in my opinion,
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were when you saved Jimmy Walker's life, when Miss Jennifer
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Holidays showed up, and then of course the infamous E. J.
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Millers Shenanigans.
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Jimmy Walker forgot his h he's a diabetic, and he
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forgot his insulin case in the green room, and I
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didn't find out about it.
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I went into the green room.
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I never go into the green room after the show,
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but for some reason I went in there and there
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was sitting on the couch and then I was like,
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oh my god, Jimmy Walker is going to die. Not
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to be dramatic, but I started calling around. Okay, first
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of all, it took a swat team. It took literally
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a whole entire seal team to get that back to him.
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I do not know why getting an insolent case back
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to Jimmy Walker took such effort and energy, but it,
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did you know what? I got it back to him
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four hours later, and he's still and he is still
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alive to this day, probably thanks to me.
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Jennifer Holliday was a diva.
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I loved at there about an hour before the show.
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Most celebrities breathe in like five minutes before the show starts.
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She got there an hour beforehand, and she was perfectly quaffed.
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Her hair was perfect, her makeup as perfect, her dress
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she had these like six inch stiletto high heels on,
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and she.
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Just kind of I do not know.
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It was like we left the gate open and Jennifer
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Holiday just meandered all the way through the TV station
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from the basement to the production area, to the green room,
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out to the lobby, into the newsroom upstairs to sales.
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I mean it was literally like Jennifer Holliday was touring,
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giving herself a one woman tour of the TV station.
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And then she was a great interview on top of it.
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And then TJ Miller, What an ass had he was?
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He wasn't my interview, but he's kind of a shock
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jock version of an interview subject, and so he was
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just awful.
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He was. He almost made my co host cry just
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because he was so mean and.
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Mean spirited and just and took a We had a
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segment on beforehand about pancakes, like a chef was making pancakes,
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and he grabbed a bunch of pancakes in the middle
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of the interview, put them all over his hand, and
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then dumped a bunch of syrup on while he was talking.
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It was just gross. TJ. Miller, You're the worst.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, alrighty now, I guys say
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this the biggest challenge Franken biting Jimmy Fallon.
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Jimmy Fallon.
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Is the world's best interview were but when I was interviewing,
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when he's the the subject of an interview and he's
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the interview, we Jimmy Fallon is like add adhd add
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his squirrel squirrel, some shining something shiny squirrel. And so
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during our interview, which was I think maybe about ten
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minutes long, which is an eternity, he went off on
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so many tangents that he would not even finish one
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thought before he would go on to something else, and
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so congruently the interview really didn't make sense because he
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was so like, you know, squirrel, squirrel something shiny squirrel,
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something shiny, And so basically I just had to sort
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of converge stories. And we call that Franken biting, for
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like Frankenstein, when you put a bunch of sound bites
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together and just cut so it makes it sound like
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it's of some sort of semblance. And that Jimmy Fallon
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just rambling incoherently, which is really kind of how the
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interview went.
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Bless awesome.
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The last and very important part of the book I
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really loved was a nine to one to one sliding scale.
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It was very interesting and can you tell the audience
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preview that with my audience.
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So my nine one one sliding scale. I have a friend, my.
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Best tiet, Eric is notorious for.
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Not using his phone for its intended purpose, which is
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to call people, or to receive calls, or to call
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people back, or to even call people just in general.
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And sometimes I need to get a hold of Eric,
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and he would always be remiss in returning my phone calls.
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And so finally I said, listen, what if there's an
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emergency and I absolutely positively.
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nine to one one sliding scale. Like one one one
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is the equivalent of you have to call me back
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within forty eight hours.
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not be infected.
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I want to talk about it all the way up
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to nine one one, which is death or imminent death,
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a compound fracture, like the bone is now sticking out
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of the skin. Like there's a whole sliding scale, a
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nine one one sliding scale. And I share that with
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readers because it's important. And now you know, Jacob that
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if you need to get a hold of me, and
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it's important to text me. But anything over a sixty
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one one gets my spidy senses tingling. So don't cry wolf,
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it better be serious.
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I will and I will remember that.
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Cindy Wilson.
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Of the b fifty twos. So what did it mean
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to have her right? And the forward of this book.
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She did I once I got the you can see
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that forward by Cindy Wilson.
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So I've been a sta of the Bee fifty twos
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for literally one hundred and fifty thousand years.
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I can tell you exactly where I was and what
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on MTV for the very first time back in nineteen
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eighty three. It was legal, the song was legal, tender,
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and it was as if time stopped.
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I just was like I had been obsessed with them
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ever since.
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when that video came out, I vowed that someday I
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would be friends with them.
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I didn't know how at the time, I didn't know
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where or when or why, but I knew that I
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was going to be friends with the Bee fifty twos.
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And sure enough, over the years, I have sort of
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ingratiated myself as a stand and I wouldn't say we're friends,
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but I would say we're chummy. We're I'm chummy with
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Fred and Kate and Cindy. And so when my publisher
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challenged me to find a celebrity to write my forward.
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I was like, oh, I'm gonna have.
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Cindy Wilson do it? Okay, well easier said Easier said
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than done. Just because I want something doesn't mean that
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it's gonna happen. So fortunately I sort of knew her.
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like I do some of the behind the scenes stuff
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for the fan club, and so I reached out to
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the fan club president and said, you know, I've never
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asked you for one thing in five years of working
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for the B fifty Two's like behind the scenes, I've
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never asked for one thing.
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Can you make this happen? And you know what? She
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her name is Liezel. She put the wheels in motion.
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Cindy said yes. Cindy's also said I'm never gonna make
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your deadline, and I said, that's fine.
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Here's your drop dead deadline.
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It was like six weeks later, and the publisher was like,
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we need it, you know, by that six week date.
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And she got it.
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And I'm not kidding that night that it was due
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at nine o'clock on a Sunday night, and I got
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it and I read it, and I bald because it
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is Chef's Kiss. It is so nicely written. And dare
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I say, Cindy Wilson is now a stan of mine.
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I just did an interview with her.
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It comes out next, it comes out then we'll it'll
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be out in the pitch, the Pitch Kansas City, So
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you should be able to read that by the time
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this interview comes out. And yeah, I got to see
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her when I was in Detroit when they were touring
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with Devo, and I handed her a book and I'll
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try and find it while we're talking. But I got
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a picture and an autograph.
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Oh nice, nice, And I got to say this, this
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book was one of my favorite spoilerwert guys. This book
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is one of my favorite books of twenty twenty five.
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And I mean it. It's funny, it's amazing, it's witty.
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I can immediately transfer myself over there that However, Michael,
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why shouldn't my audience read your.
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You know, I put a lot of heart and soul
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into it. They are bite sized chapters.
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This is the perfect quintessential celeb centric book that you
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can read.
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It's first of all, it's hilarious. I know you laughed
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your ass off, Jacob. I know you did.
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For facts, absolutely.
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It's an easy read if you don't read. There are
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plenty of celebrity pictures. Here's I don't know if you
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can see that because of the glare, but there's.
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Me and Cindy that was adorable.
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There it is, there, it is now there's a glare.
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So there's me and Cindy and that was backstage at
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their concert in Detroit.
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But more than.
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Anything, people are like, well, what if I don't like
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pop culture. Well, it's a little bit more than that.
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It's about how I don't know if your viewers know this,
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but I survived a stroke fifteen years ago and I
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came out on the other side of it.
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I'm also proud to Sam and recovery.
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I'm going on ten years of being in long term
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recovery from alcoholism and it's just it's just a really
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heart felt book that I put my I put my
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all into and Jacob, now one word in that book
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was written using AI.
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It's all Michael Mackey all the time.
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Proud of you, my friend. I'm so proud of you.
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And where can my audience get this amazing book and
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connect with you on social media?
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Well, I am M t ESQ. That's M two esquire
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for those of you in the back. You can find
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me on all the social handles M to esq. My
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website is obviously Michael McKie dot com. And the book's
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funny that you should ask hold on because my publisher
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literally just emailed me today. Starting today, so by the
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time this comes out, your book will be at Unique
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find Gifts in downtown, over the and Park. I am
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also at all the maid and k c's, especially the
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one on the Plaza. I'll be doing some book signings there.
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I met a place called the Raven. Oh, and this
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I am at two of the bookstores at the.
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Kansas City International Airport, So on your way out of town,
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if you need an easy pz lemon squeeze read, you
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can swing by and grab. You have four minutes, and
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I'll have autographed copies at kCi through the holidays.
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Wonderful, wonderful guys. And also social media as well. He's
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Michael's a great one.
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I do love me some Twitter. I love me some Twitter,
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I love me some Facebook. So yeah, Michael mackey dot
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com on Facebook and then M two s ESQ M
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two e s Q everywhere else.
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All righty guys, if you missed an episode of the
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And also, I gotta say this a shout out to
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the American Business Awards for awarding me the Silver CV
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for Best Interview Talk Show of twenty twenty five. Michael,
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thank you so much for ending twenty twenty five. I
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hope to catch up with you in twenty twenty six
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in time for the brand's fifteenth anniversary celebration.
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Sounds good friend, Happy holidays.
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Alrighty guys, thank you so much for watching, Thank you
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so much for listening. Until next time, have a great one.
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Good bye,
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Hello everybody, and welcome to the last interview of twenty
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twenty five, the Jake Sake with Jacob elash Our podcast.
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I'm your host, Jacob Elacher, chief controvers writer, and we
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got a lot to get ground to cover.
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So I'm so honored welcome back one of my all
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time favorite guests.
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He is an eight time winning you Emmy winning journalist
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and Commas and the author of this incredible book.
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You have four minutes my life as an unlikely celebrity interviewer.
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Please give it up, poor mister Michael.
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Hello, good to be here.
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Michael.
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It's such a pleasure to have you here on the
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FOT To be the last guests of twenty twenty five,
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that's a lot.
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Of pressure, Jacob, and I know the hey Yaia.
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If there's only one person that can do it, it's you.
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Oh you're sweet. I appreciate you.
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Alrnie, So it has I know you have grown a
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lot since the last time you spoke.
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So what how have you grown as a interviewer and
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a writer.
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You know, this book has been a work in progress
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for literally the last five years. So when it finally
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I think that thing had been jest dating for five years.
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It's nice to finally see it out in the wild.
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That's for sures, Because you know, I was a pretty
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I was a pretty robust celebrity entertainment reporter before.
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go me, ye tell you? Is right.
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little time, however we got I got to talk about
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some of these entries. So let's start with Miss Joke,
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the legendary Joe Anne Worley and she popped your cherry.
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Jane really was the very first celebrity that I ever
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interviewed out of the gate, and it was only literal
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literally by happenstance. I was working at a TV station
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the newsroom that I was working at, none of the
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very sweaty assignment editor being like, uh, oh, my gosh,
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there's a already coming in over the lunch hower. I
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totally forgot about it. Who wants it? And it was
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like cockroaches when you turn the lights on. Reporters scattered
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out of the newsroom and that left me and I
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a nationwide tour to promote their like short lived talk
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in it here in Kansas City for like ten minutes
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before my Boston formula. They were coming in and spending
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an entire day to promote their show. And I was
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going to be their handler. Okay, great, I don't I
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don't know anything about being handler to Donnie and or Marie.
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Marie weekdays at three here on k ANDBC nine News
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her just set up straight, get her to set up straight.
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across the room. I was like, Murray, Perky, Booby's up.
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and they went right on and did their thing. Apparently,
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though behind the scenes, I had created a rift in
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the time space continuum because I had said Perky, Booby's
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up to Marie Osman.
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She didn't care. But I can't believe.
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I think that was my third day on the job,
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and my third day on the job was almost my last.
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Day on the job. I got in so much trouble
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for saying that.
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Oops, oops is right, Oops is right. But we also
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had some very interesting moments.
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As well off camera when he had dinner with Jay Butler.
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first Mister Olympia, the bodybuilding competition, and he was runner up.
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He had not won yet, and he was a spokesperson
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for one of my clients. And again, because my life
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works in mysterious ways, literally, the ad agency was like, hey,
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you are responsible for Jake Cutler from the minute his
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plane lands to the minute his plane takes off. Okay, great,
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I'm here for it. Well, Jay was training for the
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next year's Mister Olympia, and so he was eating like
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fourteen times a day. I'm not even kidding. He was
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eating and working out. If we weren't on set, he
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was eating and or working out, and or sometimes eating
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Anyway, it was my birthday and I said, Hey, I'm
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gonna drop you off at the gym. And then I've
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got you a car service to take you back to
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the hotel. He was like, well, what are you doing?
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it's my birthday tonight. He was like, well, okay.
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someone who has potatoes in his mouth. So he was like,
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while we're mugging out with dinner, owl, I would like
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to go off with dinner. I'm not good enough to
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go out to dinner with you. And I was like, well, sure,
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I didn't tell any of my friends. I just had
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the car service drop him off at the restaurant.
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That we were eating at.
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sat down and proceeded to eat dinner with me and six.
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Of my closest gay friends. So that's my birthday story
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with Jake Color.
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like twenty two.
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Chicken breasts at dinner that night. It was odd.
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when you're you know, mister Olympia, you gotta you gotta,
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you gotta eat alrighty.
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of was Kansas City Live. Of all the cant see
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only they were all. The top three in my opinion,
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were when you saved Jimmy Walker's life, when Miss Jennifer
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Holidays showed up, and then of course the infamous E. J.
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Millers Shenanigans.
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Jimmy Walker forgot his h he's a diabetic, and he
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forgot his insulin case in the green room, and I
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didn't find out about it.
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I went into the green room.
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I never go into the green room after the show,
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but for some reason I went in there and there
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was sitting on the couch and then I was like,
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oh my god, Jimmy Walker is going to die. Not
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to be dramatic, but I started calling around. Okay, first
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of all, it took a swat team. It took literally
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a whole entire seal team to get that back to him.
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to Jimmy Walker took such effort and energy, but it,
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did you know what? I got it back to him
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four hours later, and he's still and he is still
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alive to this day, probably thanks to me.
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Jennifer Holliday was a diva.
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giving herself a one woman tour of the TV station.
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jock version of an interview subject, and so he was
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segment on beforehand about pancakes, like a chef was making pancakes,
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and he grabbed a bunch of pancakes in the middle
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of the interview, put them all over his hand, and
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It was just gross. TJ. Miller, You're the worst.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, alrighty now, I guys say
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this the biggest challenge Franken biting Jimmy Fallon.
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Jimmy Fallon.
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the interview, we Jimmy Fallon is like add adhd add
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his squirrel squirrel, some shining something shiny squirrel. And so
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during our interview, which was I think maybe about ten
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so many tangents that he would not even finish one
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thought before he would go on to something else, and
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so congruently the interview really didn't make sense because he
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something shiny, And so basically I just had to sort
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of converge stories. And we call that Franken biting, for
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like Frankenstein, when you put a bunch of sound bites
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it's of some sort of semblance. And that Jimmy Fallon
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just rambling incoherently, which is really kind of how the
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Bless awesome.
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really loved was a nine to one to one sliding scale.
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It was very interesting and can you tell the audience
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preview that with my audience.
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So my nine one one sliding scale. I have a friend, my.
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people back, or to even call people just in general.
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and he would always be remiss in returning my phone calls.
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emergency and I absolutely positively.
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He was like, well, then text, Like if it's an emergency,
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just text nine to one one, and I'll call you
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right back.
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He's like, I don't know.
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Let's we'll create a scale, and so we created the
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nine to one one sliding scale. Like one one one
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is the equivalent of you have to call me back
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within forty eight hours.
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You know, I have a hangnail. It may or may
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not be infected.
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I want to talk about it all the way up
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to nine one one, which is death or imminent death,
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a compound fracture, like the bone is now sticking out
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of the skin. Like there's a whole sliding scale, a
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nine one one sliding scale. And I share that with
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readers because it's important. And now you know, Jacob that
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if you need to get a hold of me, and
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it's important to text me. But anything over a sixty
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one one gets my spidy senses tingling. So don't cry wolf,
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it better be serious.
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I will and I will remember that.
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played a big role in this book is the legendary
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Of the b fifty twos. So what did it mean
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to have her right? And the forward of this book.
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She did I once I got the you can see
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that forward by Cindy Wilson.
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So I've been a sta of the Bee fifty twos
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for literally one hundred and fifty thousand years.
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I can tell you exactly where I was and what
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on MTV for the very first time back in nineteen
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eighty three. It was legal, the song was legal, tender,
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and it was as if time stopped.
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I just was like I had been obsessed with them
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ever since.
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when that video came out, I vowed that someday I
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would be friends with them.
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I didn't know how at the time, I didn't know
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where or when or why, but I knew that I
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was going to be friends with the Bee fifty twos.
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And sure enough, over the years, I have sort of
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ingratiated myself as a stand and I wouldn't say we're friends,
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Fred and Kate and Cindy. And so when my publisher
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challenged me to find a celebrity to write my forward.
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I was like, oh, I'm gonna have.
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Cindy Wilson do it? Okay, well easier said Easier said
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than done. Just because I want something doesn't mean that
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it's gonna happen. So fortunately I sort of knew her.
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Publicist, which ps also happens to be your husband.
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like I do some of the behind the scenes stuff
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for the fan club, and so I reached out to
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the fan club president and said, you know, I've never
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asked you for one thing in five years of working
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for the B fifty Two's like behind the scenes, I've
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never asked for one thing.
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Can you make this happen? And you know what? She
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her name is Liezel. She put the wheels in motion.
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Cindy said yes. Cindy's also said I'm never gonna make
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your deadline, and I said, that's fine.
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Here's your drop dead deadline.
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it and I read it, and I bald because it
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is Chef's Kiss. It is so nicely written. And dare
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I just did an interview with her.
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It comes out next, it comes out then we'll it'll
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be out in the pitch, the Pitch Kansas City, So
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this interview comes out. And yeah, I got to see
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her when I was in Detroit when they were touring
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with Devo, and I handed her a book and I'll
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try and find it while we're talking. But I got
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a picture and an autograph.
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Oh nice, nice, And I got to say this, this
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book was one of my favorite spoilerwert guys. This book
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is one of my favorite books of twenty twenty five.
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And I mean it. It's funny, it's amazing, it's witty.
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I can immediately transfer myself over there that However, Michael,
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why shouldn't my audience read your.
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You know, I put a lot of heart and soul
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into it. They are bite sized chapters.
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This is the perfect quintessential celeb centric book that you
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can read.
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It's first of all, it's hilarious. I know you laughed
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your ass off, Jacob. I know you did.
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For facts, absolutely.
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It's an easy read if you don't read. There are
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plenty of celebrity pictures. Here's I don't know if you
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can see that because of the glare, but there's.
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Me and Cindy that was adorable.
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There it is, there, it is now there's a glare.
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So there's me and Cindy and that was backstage at
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their concert in Detroit.
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But more than.
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Anything, people are like, well, what if I don't like
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pop culture. Well, it's a little bit more than that.
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It's about how I don't know if your viewers know this,
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but I survived a stroke fifteen years ago and I
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came out on the other side of it.
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I'm also proud to Sam and recovery.
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I'm going on ten years of being in long term
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recovery from alcoholism and it's just it's just a really
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heart felt book that I put my I put my
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all into and Jacob, now one word in that book
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was written using AI.
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It's all Michael Mackey all the time.
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Proud of you, my friend. I'm so proud of you.
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And where can my audience get this amazing book and
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connect with you on social media?
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Well, I am M t ESQ. That's M two esquire
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for those of you in the back. You can find
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me on all the social handles M to esq. My
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website is obviously Michael McKie dot com. And the book's
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funny that you should ask hold on because my publisher
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literally just emailed me today. Starting today, so by the
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time this comes out, your book will be at Unique
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find Gifts in downtown, over the and Park. I am
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also at all the maid and k c's, especially the
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one on the Plaza. I'll be doing some book signings there.
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I met a place called the Raven. Oh, and this
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is fun.
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I am at two of the bookstores at the.
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Kansas City International Airport, So on your way out of town,
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if you need an easy pz lemon squeeze read, you
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can swing by and grab. You have four minutes, and
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I'll have autographed copies at kCi through the holidays.
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Wonderful, wonderful guys. And also social media as well. He's
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Michael's a great one.
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I do love me some Twitter. I love me some Twitter,
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I love me some Facebook. So yeah, Michael mackey dot
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com on Facebook and then M two s ESQ M
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two e s Q everywhere else.
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All righty guys, if you missed an episode of the
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Jake Stak with Jacob Elizer podcast, is there our channels
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Now are you on some I'm on.
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Social to me to Facebook, Instagram, threads, Twitter and YouTube
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Jacob Alia Chuck jc b EO by adhj R. And
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if you want to watch my original interview with Michael Mackie,
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visit Jake sashake dot com skin jakesash check dot com.
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And also, I gotta say this a shout out to
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the American Business Awards for awarding me the Silver CV
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for Best Interview Talk Show of twenty twenty five. Michael,
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thank you so much for ending twenty twenty five. I
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hope to catch up with you in twenty twenty six
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in time for the brand's fifteenth anniversary celebration.
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Sounds good friend, Happy holidays.
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Alrighty guys, thank you so much for watching, Thank you
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so much for listening. Until next time, have a great one.
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Good bye,
