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Welcome to Jacktical Magic.
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A critical examination of North America's most baffling radio station, Jack FM.
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My name's Amelia Scannell, and I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, Cooper Willis.
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Hi, Amelia.
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That was a much more grammatically correct sentence.
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So Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna do the by always.
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But I kind of forgot what you had said.
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I thought it made sense right away.
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Well, that's just because we speak the same.
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We have that shorthand.
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We can just we know what we mean.
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We grew up in the womb together, so that's right.
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Yeah.
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But how how are you?
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I'm well.
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Um I got a lot to say about the song I uh researched.
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It's got a lot of fun stuff.
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If you don't have any little banter, uh I mean I can't it's like pulling teeth with you today.
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I'll uh I'll proceed.
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So let's get going.
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You want to do the recap?
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Sure thing.
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So for those of you who uh have been joining us, you might recall that we are doing a little tournament of 64 songs.
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It's a little bracket.
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We're trying to figure out which song has the biggest Jack FM vibes.
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We have 64 songs, 32 matchups.
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Last week, Come On Eileen by Dexys Midnight Runner set the clashes should I stay or should I go packing?
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Today's matchup, our 13th matchup of the bracket.
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We got Mone Mone covered by Billy Idol versus you get what you give by The New Radicals.
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You had to say covered.
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You couldn't give you couldn't give Billy Idol his credit for nailing that song.
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I mean, I guess I'd that's fine.
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It's true.
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I mean, we've had covers before.
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And we didn't say covers.
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You're right, you're right.
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Okay, so Mony Mony by Billy Idol.
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That's okay.
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I mean, it is, I can't, it is a cover.
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It's just you're kneecapping Billy right off the bat.
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You're yeah.
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It's little underhanded.
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I'm showing my cards.
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I'm showing my cards.
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Um the only reason, and the only reason why, and I'm curious because in my research, I find that the version that I believe we're talking about is not only a cover, but also not a studio recording.
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Is this true?
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You know what?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Right.
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But yes, there are, it's a little confusing, but there are a couple versions.
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Okay, so I'm gonna tell you about William Broad.
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He's from uh Stanmore, which is like a posh suburb of London.
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Okay, a Sloan Ranger, as they call themselves.
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Like Princess Diana before she became princess.
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You know how she just looked real preppy and shit?
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Yeah.
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Polo boots and things.
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That's that's them.
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This whole town.
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I mean, it it's it's kind of an affluent suburb of London.
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Yeah.
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They go on fox hunts?
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Hmm, yeah, sure.
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That's my measurement for how wealthy something is.
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If they no, they probably they probably do more like Pakistani hunts.
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Oh, cool.
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Yeah, they're probably yeah, they're probably not the friendliest groups.
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So William, when he's like a little teen, he joins the Bromley contingent.
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And the Bromley Contingent is an influential crew of Sex Pistols fans who go to all their shows.
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They're very style and fashion forward.
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They're kind of like early Vivian Westwood clads, safety pins, torn clothing.
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Speaking of sellouts, Vivian Westwood.
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So I don't know who Vivian Westwood is.
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Enlighten me.
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A very famous designer, but like uh an uh an Alexander McQueen.
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More of the the kind of newish, not classic couture.
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You got the old shit.
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What's the plaid one?
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Burberry.
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Yeah, Burberry.
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You got Chanel, you got, I don't know.
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I just know them from I couldn't pick some out.
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I could pick out Vivian Westwood.
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It's just punk looking.
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It's like it's like uh Tartan and Kilt and Doc Martin's.
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Uh she turned that into high-end fashion.
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Right.
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So these kids looked real cool.
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They looked, they looked how you would think a group of British punks would look.
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And they were they were part of the shows themselves.
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The Sex Pistols were the concert, and then you had this group of little clicky shitheads who made everybody feel excluded and stuff.
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Well, Billy was in that.
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Okay.
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And it was like a tight scene.
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You you belonged or you didn't.
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And the music, it was secondary.
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They were just scensters.
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Sure.
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And yeah.
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Like they're juggalos without the kindness and the now you're speaking by language.
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Yes, right?
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They're the without the mutual aid and the sense of family.
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Right.
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I'm pro-juggalos.
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Yeah.
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Let it be let it be said, this podcast, pro juggalo.
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Yeah, right?
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They're sweethearts.
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You're safe here.
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Yeah.
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You guys are safe here.
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I feel like I could go to a concert and they would be.
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I feel like I'd be home.
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I don't I don't know a single thing about Insane Clown Posse, but I feel like the juggalos are great people.
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So anyway.
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Billy eventually wanted to make music of his own.
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He started a band called Generation X.
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He found a book in his mother's bookshelf called Generation X.
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It is, we're talking mid-70s.
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So the Gen X that we know would have been like at the oldest, maybe 10.
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So we weren't calling them slackers and shit yet.
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Generation X did not mean the Generation X that we are we now know.
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Billy just picked it.
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So it was like a little pop punk band, but it also had a little a touch of pop.
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And not like in a bad they they just weren't noise.
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They Billy liked Billy liked the stones.
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He liked the Beatles.
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Of course, he liked the Sex Pistols, but the songs were a little, they weren't bad.
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It was catchy and it was pop, but it wasn't pop punk.
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Okay.
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It was just good sounding punk.
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Melodies.
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Hooks.
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They were the first punk bands to go on Top of the Pops, it's which is like a huge show where all the great bands go on and you made it.
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They it's it's Ed Sullivan.
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Right.
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It's there, Ed Sullivan.
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Yeah.
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I don't know who the host is, but I can guarantee you he's more charismatic.
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Yeah.
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If he's a plank of wood, he's more charismatic than he's got more charisma.
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And I'm assuming it was a guy, but yeah.
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How long was that show on?
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Was that show from like the 60s or it's still on to today?
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Everybody's on it.
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Oh yeah.
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I swear.
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Graham Norton's gotta be involved somehow now.
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I don't know why, because he's he's got his own shit to do.
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Yeah, but he's like he's their he's he's their John Carson, kind of.
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He's just their like host guy.
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Yeah.
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He's been around forever, it feels like.
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A lot.
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He's just so good at getting these little conversations going.
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You know who's the best at that for us?
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Byron Allen.
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Who's Byron Allen?
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Byron Allen from the host of Comics Unleashed that comes on after all those shows.
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Oh boy, he's very good at setting up not conversations so much as setups to let comedians do a bit.
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Yeah, it's it's one of my favorite formats because it's clear that he has just been given the prompt for what he has to say.
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But he tries to make it.
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There's four comics, and he is the host, the moderator, I don't know.
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But yeah, when he throws to somebody new, he's like, so you ever go grocery shopping with your grandma?
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Just a normal thing to say to another human that is definitely not a prompt.
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Do y'all have have you been to an exotic pet store uh lately?
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Who's man?
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Exotic pet stores, though.
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You and I.
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We can't yet.
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We got too much to talk about this episode.
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Okay, yeah.
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You're you're right.
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This is a real teaser.
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Promise, when we have a slow day, I will tell everyone the pet store story.
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So anyway, it's like that Colin Quinn show on Comedy Central, or like the old politically incorrect where it was two chairs facing two chairs, and he would stand in the middle, kind of leaning on a desk or something.
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That's what Byron Allen did, right?
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Yeah.
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Or does he?
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Is it still around?
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Oh, it's still around.
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Byron Allen owns the weather channel and outstanding.
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Yeah.
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They're on the weather.
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So he does he hosts Comics Unleashed, and then there's like a fake America's Funniest Videos, but then they're on the weather channel late at night.
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There's funniest weather bloopers, which is a great.
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He's like, I'm a comedian, and I have to figure out a way to get funny on the weather channel.
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So just some good old-fashioned weather bloopers.
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Awesome.
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I didn't know this about him.
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He's a most I will I promise I will let you get back to it, but I do want to say it is funny to me these last couple weeks.
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These episodes where I was not excited about them at all are just rich with information.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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I don't know.
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The the big songs, I kind of want to go on vibes and opinions, and and I don't like this show, doesn't set out to do research on an artist, but it informs the Jack FM-ness of it.
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And and my and my defensive Billy I or my ultimate uh opinion on the who's got the most Jack FM vibes, they come from research of both of these songs.
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Yes.
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And so I I I will back my shit up, but and you will too.
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Yeah, so as the first punk band on Top of the Pops, care to take a guess at how punks felt about this?
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I'm guessing they were gung-ho and all for it, and said, We love to see our mates doing so well.
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They're biggest cheerleaders.
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Uh I did look up, I did look up bands that punks do not consider sellouts.
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The number one is Fugazi.
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I was just gonna say probably Fugazi.
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Uh I've heard the word never knew they were punk, or I thought they were maybe like a 2000s, not like pavement or built of spill, but I thought they were just a super indie, hard rock indie.
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But okay.
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Then minor threat.
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Okay.
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And then it's debatable, but dead Kennedys and Black Flag.
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Okay, yeah.
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They're cool with they get they still get respect.
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Especially Fugazi.
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Fugazi sounds like something that Tony Soprano might say.
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Give me some Fugazi.
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What does give everybody everybody on the street talking to Fugazi over here?
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It's Fugazi Bunts.
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Uh the I I don't know.
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I Fugazi.
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So anyway, they did a few appearances on Top of the Pops.
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They had a few good songs.
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Billy was getting the attention though.
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It was kind of a Harry Styles, Justin Timber-like situation where the band was still going on, and there was one of them looking for a way out.
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When are you gonna ditch these 30-year-old fatties and go on your own?
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These guys are in the back for a reason.
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Billy he moved to New York.
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Generation X, for all intents and purposes, is over.
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He got Bill Acoi ne, who was the manager of KISS.
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Now you know how cool and special and unique KISS looks.
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They're literally, well, not literally, but they're superheroes.
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They're comic space gods or something.
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I don't know what their lore is.
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But yeah, we got a demon, we got a cat ping a cat, the other guy.
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What's the other guy?
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The part I think it's just lines.
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Like just just like baseball picture lines or something.
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Oh.
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He's like the Michael Collins of KISS.
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Who's Michael Collins?
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Oh, the astronaut, yes.
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The astronaut who had to stay back from the moon.
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Like there's four people, and we can name three of them by their makeup, but we have no idea what the last guy is.
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Yeah.
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I think he has- Or is Ace Freeling not the star child?
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I don't know.
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I think he's the star child.
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Gene is the demon.
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Uh, who had Back in the New York Groove?
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Oh, that's good.
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Great song, but who had it?
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The other guy just c kind of looks like the Ultimate Warrior.
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Doesn't Gene look like the Ultimate Warrior?
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No.
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Gene's got Jean's Gene's makeup goes up, and the other guy's just like centered.
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The other guy really looks like the Ultimate Warrior.
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Oh, okay.
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I thought he had geometric rectangles on his face.
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Maybe I'm thinking of the cat.
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Like as whispered.
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The cat, the cat definitely has that.
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That's the whisper.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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My uh brother's best friend and well, they're a married couple.
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They went on a Kiss Cruise.
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They got tattoos on the cruise.
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They loved it.
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It was so fun.
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Good for them.
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I love that they're into shit.
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If I were married and childless and what is that called?
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Dual income.
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Um no kids.
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A dink.
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Dinks.
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I'd be going on cruises with shit.
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I would live on a boat.
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Okay, so this Bill a coin.
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He can market people.
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He created the Billy Idol persona, the the snarled lip, the blonde spiky hair, the the jewelry, the sleeveless jackets and vests, and just Billy Idol.
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That's him.
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He also partnered him up with a guy named Steve Stevens, who is a really talented hair metal guitarist.
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He's got a lot of flair.
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And together, uh Billy's punk style and Steve's arena rock style was a just a partnership made in heaven.
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These guys got along like gangbusters.
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Okay.
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But Billy was the name.
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Like Wham, or I mean Wham was the name, but George Michael was George Michael didn't ever ditch that other guy.
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He just he just kind of went solo, but never stopped paying him and working with him.
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He he just kept that guy.
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But yeah, like or Daryl Hall and John Oates, which they've been in a big fight the last few years because Daryl thought he was the lead, and John Oates was just like a guest on every album.
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Right.
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That's sad.
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Yeah, especially it's in the name, Daryl.
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You are supposed to be a partnership.
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Well, it was never Hall and Oates.
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It was always Daryl Hall and John Oates.
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I don't understand what Daryl's problem is.
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He's had to have they had to be personal friends in some way.
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Yeah.
00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:47.519
Okay, so Billy and Steve, great little partnership.
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Billy puts out his first EP called Don't Stop.
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That album includes the songs Dancing with Myself, which was originally a Generation X song, but you know, since he wrote it, he he used it, used it again.
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Sure.
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And then it had the and then it had Mony Mony on it as well.
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Now, Mony Mony is a Tommy James and the Shandells song from 1968.
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Shondell's, you know him.
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Hanky Panky, as in My Baby Does It.
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Crystal Blue Persuasion.
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Crimson and Clover.
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And I think we're alone now.
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Remember that one, audience, listeners.
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Okay.
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Mony Mony.
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Tommy James wrote it.
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He needed a memorable word that really didn't mean anything.
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He was writing, he looks out his window and sees the Mutual of New York building with like a big red lit up sign that says M-O-N-Y.
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That's how we got it.
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It's hilarious to think that a songwriter lived in a Manhattan high-rise, but good for him.
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Yeah.
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This is that period of the late 60s where there's still a big divide in music.
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You have the Beatles and the counterculture happening.
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And the rest of music is still trying to hold on to that weird late 50s kind of thing, like do I did it?
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Like that kind of vibe.
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Yeah, Tommy James and the Chandels are kind of right in the middle of that with things like hanky panky.
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You know, I think Hang on Sloopy was still popul.
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Like it's so weird to think about that happening at the same time as Sgt.
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Pepper.
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It seems like that must have been before.
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And Mooni Moni was kind of late.
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By the time of Moni Moni or Crimson and Clover and Crystal Blue Persuasion, they had the Nehru jackets, they had the long hair, but making songs like Moni Moni, which Mony Moni is fantastic.
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I don't give a shit what version you're talking about.
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I love Mona Moni.
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It's cool song.
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It's so good.
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Love the background singers.
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Love the breakdown.
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Billy's version of Moni Moni is fantastic, but it was overshadowed by the next album that came out within the same year, which is Billy Idol's first full album, his first LP.
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Okay.
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That had White Wedding.
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Wow.
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That had another one of his big ones.
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Then we're gonna skip several years of success.
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You know Billy.
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You know all of his hits.
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He was a huge MTV guy.
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Like he the 80s were his.
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Now Billy's on his Whiplash Smile tour.
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Whiplash Smile was an album uh just peak Billy.
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Okay.
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Height of his career.
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He's on tour.
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His tour's huge.
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Arenas, sellout.
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The record company gets a professional crew to film a concert just for promotional material.
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Like a TV commercial would come on and like Billy Idol coming.
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Maybe fourth, fifth, and sixth.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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And they filmed this concert in Dallas.
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Now, that Dallas show, I don't know if it was because of the cameras, or I don't know if this was an everyday occurrence for a Billy Idol concert, but that crowd was fucking raucous.
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You had you had Billy doing his shit, just the crowd eaten out of his hand.
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You had Steve Stevens, white leather jacket, no shirt, tight white leather pants, just doing the best guitar moves.
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You know that like windmill?
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Mm-hmm.
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Is that what it's called?
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How you like the Pete Townsend?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like you hit the strings after going a full swing.
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The Don Quixote.
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Um and then he's got like big long hair metal curly hair.
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He's like a cool slash and a fun slash.
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So it's arena rock to the max.
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They were they were arena maxing, as the kids say.
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They were crowd maxing.
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Okay, so now, audience, this is amazing what I'm about to tell you.
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The live version of Money Money was released, and the song it knocked out, Cooper, what do you know what song it knocked out of the number one spot?
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This is what year?
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November of 87.
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The the concert was filmed in summer of 87.
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Is Madonna?
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No, I don't I don't know.
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Uh it was a Tiffany song called I Think We're Alone Now.
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Oh you know who wrote I Think We're Alone Now?
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Oh my god.
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That what okay, so yes, Tommy James wrote I Think We're Alone.
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No.
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That's wild.
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That's crazy.
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It's the only time ever that a cover was beaten by a cover of the same artist.
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What a what a in what an insane musical thing.
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What a cosmic kiss.
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I wonder what that felt like for Tommy Jane to know that he had.
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He was he was dining out on that shit.
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You know it.
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When when those songs came out, were they even top of the charts?
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His songs, like the original groups?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They sure were.
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Yeah, Tommy James, they did great.
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And there are wild stories about Tommy James' career that I would love to get into someday.
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It's a bummer, and it involves the New York five family mob wars.
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:53.759
Yeah.
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Oh.
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He's like caught in the middle.
00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:01.920
So wait, did you say that this it knocked it out of like number one?
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Like it went to number a live version of Moni Moni went to number one.
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Tiffany was number one, and then when Moni Moni was released, that beat Tiffany for the number one spot.
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Now like I said, that is some sort of cosmic kiss.
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That is that's kiss maxing, if if you ask me.
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But time out, let's go back a few months.
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Okay.
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Tiffany, she was gaining quite a fan base from all of her mall tours.
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That's when you send an artist literally to shopping malls, they put on a free concert in like the food court, or like those that part where like all four of the concourses split off, and there's like a fountain or something.
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:51.839
You know, malls.
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.359
Yeah, I've been to the mall.
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.640
But you go ahead, explain malls a little bit more.
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So a mall is like an indoor main street where a community would go to shop, but it was, you know, built around car culture, huge parking lots, people could park and come to the basically an indoor main street.
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And blowing my mind right now.
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It was a place where you could get the latest fashions.
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Teenagers and youth would love it.
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They loved the malls.
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They had their latest fashions.
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You go to the arcade.
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They had food courts, which is like a main street for food.
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Right.
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Sometimes they had little teen concerts.
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Sometimes sometimes the turtles came out of their shelves at a mall.
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.599
I saw the turtles come out of their shelves.
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.359
Yes, pizza power.
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You know, sometimes they're multi-level, they have escalators, they have elevators, they have skylights to let in sunlight.
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It's basically an indoor main street.
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.680
I think that was how they originally planned it.
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.519
Almost like uh what Montreal's got going underneath, underground.
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:06.079
Right.
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:12.960
Uh and Tiffany was gaining a lot of fans, quite a fan base with these mall tours.
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.319
But her first single, Danny, not a hit.
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DJ's new, all right, this isn't much, but she's got, I think we're alone now on the album.
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.079
They started playing that.
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:31.440
And Billy's record company, The Suits, they saw the momentum of Tiffany and Tiffany's song.
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:40.319
So you would think Billy's, you know, Billy's record company would sign their own teenage girl and send her on mall tours.
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:48.880
But no, their thought process was the public must be hungry for Tommy James covers.
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:54.240
So they're not thinking the teeny girl has anything to do with it.
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.000
It's the source material.
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:07.119
It's it's they figured these teenagers loved this late 60s bridge from 60s pop to psychedelic raw.
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:07.839
Yeah.
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.200
This is what the audience, this is what the public wanted.
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:16.319
Well, they didn't need that promo material anymore from the Billy concert.
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.839
They got what they needed out of it.
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:22.640
So they dusted that shit off and released Monim.
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.599
They rushed it out, and I'll be damned, it worked.
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:28.480
Number one.
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.759
That's crazy.
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.559
The the public truly was hungry for Tommy James covers.
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.279
Yeah.
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:40.640
Poor Madonna got stuck with doing a turtles cover, and they were like, it didn't work.
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.480
Nobody wants the turtles.
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.759
It was Tommy James.
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.039
Those guys are right.
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:45.839
Mm-hmm.
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:46.319
Yeah.
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:50.880
Michael Jackson tried to get a small faces song off the ground.
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.920
Anyway.
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:58.400
And so, so really that cosmic kiss was kind of reverse-engineered.
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:06.400
Well, I mean, it's pretty amazing that Moni Moni went number one, but I gotta go back a little further and then we're we're wrapping it up.
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:26.240
Billy's 1982 version of Moni Moni, the one on that little EP, that in the meantime had been inspiring an unofficial chant, you know, started in clubs or spread to frat parties and other clubs.
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.960
Uh the the chant is explicit.
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:41.759
Uh, there are a lot of versions existing, but I think that I think that hey, say what, get laid, get fucked is the one that works the best.
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.519
There are some that are like, hey, you get laid, get fucked.
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.200
I think hey, say what, get laid, get fucked really works.
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:52.240
Kind of like a cheer.
00:27:52.480 --> 00:28:04.480
Well, and you didn't say, but it's happening in that like two measures of music between each other, like, here she comes now, and more, money, hey, say what.
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:06.240
Yeah.
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.519
It's happening on that bump, bump, bump, bump.
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:14.400
And yes, schools all over the country were banning it, like high school dances.
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.880
They were banning it because the kids would absolutely say that during the song.
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:26.720
And you know where it wasn't banned was that Dallas stadium full of 20,000 fans.
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:31.039
And that picked up on the recording of Money Moni.
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.440
On the live version that's on the radio?
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:34.559
Yes.
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.640
They had to hide it in very weird way.
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.359
Like it was, it was not even like you could hear it.
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.279
It was like a physical force.
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:52.640
This audience was like, I I I can't imagine it had to have been a force of nature coming into the speakers or microphone.
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.160
Things don't go into speakers, they come out of speakers.
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:02.799
And so the engineers had to kind of like a little warble the crowd.
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:11.519
So it just kind of sounds like this homogeneous, wow, I still remember how the crowd sounds in NBA jam.
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.599
It's like hurrh!
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.480
And uh that was very accurate.
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.519
That brought me right back.
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.319
They pumped up Steve's guitar.
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.920
So the the live version you hear, you cannot hear the audience say it.
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.599
They like removed little consonants of places where it spiked.
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:32.240
Sure.
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:38.400
And so if people had a problem, they were just like, ma'am, they're just they're just saying woo.
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.079
I don't know what ma'am, I don't hear it.
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:43.680
They were gaslighting.
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.039
They were they were gas maxing.
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.359
I'm gonna episode is max maxing.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.039
But I know what you're thinking.
00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:00.720
This Dallas concert, I bet the album, I bet that live album sold millions.
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:01.599
No.
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.440
No, it didn't, because there is no live album.
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.519
It's just this one recording.
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:15.440
It's this one recording that the record companies put it out on a reissue of Vital Idol.
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.480
Now that was a remix album of Billy's songs.
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.799
Billy put it out two years prior.
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.279
It was, you know, it was for fans, but it didn't light the world on fire.
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.119
So the record company was like, well, this didn't really sell that much.
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:35.680
So let's just reissue it and put the song that everyone wants, just stick it on that album.
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:41.839
So they reissued it, and you had to buy that one in order to get your Money Moni live version.
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.359
Back then, apparently, they were trying to sell CDs.
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:54.480
CDs were really kind of like the THX beginning, where they just want to prove that they sound good.
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:59.200
Like CDs would want just really clean sounds.
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:05.599
Back then, live albums just kind of seemed like a losers thing to do.
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:16.079
I I mean it seems counterintuitive, but especially when you got you got a tiger by the tail, or you got this whole concert that people loved.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:16.640
But anyway.
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:23.519
Well, I'm curious, did they actually have more recordings from that concert, or was it just they happen to have this?
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:31.359
They've they recorded the whole concert and they they did not record that concert thinking Moaning Moaning is going to be the single.
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:36.720
They didn't do that until Tiffany, until somebody caught her at the mall.
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.880
Um let's move on to the early 90s.
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.599
You know, people weren't sick of him yet.
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:48.240
Uh in 91, he got into a really bad motorcycle accident.
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.519
He broke a leg and they might have had to amputate.
00:31:51.519 --> 00:32:01.920
This caused him to miss out on playing the bad guy in T2 Judgment Day, a role that James Cameron wrote specifically for him.
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:04.960
Oh, he'd be a cool T1000.
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:06.640
Oh, yeah, T1000, that's his name.
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:13.039
I remember all kinds of characters' names, but I never remember like what is the Arnold Schwarzenegger character named?
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.640
Uh T100?
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.160
He's uh he's definitely he's definitely low T.
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:19.119
Yeah.
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:20.799
Compared to the T1000.
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.160
He needs he needs to T-Max.
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:25.920
Oh boy.
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:35.599
Just before the accident, his album Charmed Life came out, which was kind of the last pure Billy album.
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.440
Okay, and since that just came out, he had time to recover.
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.960
So while Billy was recovering, he bought himself a Macintosh computer.
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:51.279
And this was this was like '92 or '93.
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.559
And he was seeing, you know, the internet.
00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:13.759
He was getting on the world wide web, and he made an album completely on his Mac using early digital tools and internet noises and just sounds, and he called it Cyberpunk.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.759
And he was actually the first artist to put his website on the back of his album.
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.880
And this was so like ahead of its time.
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:35.759
He would market it in message boards and hacker groups, and he was being completely made fun of by the actual cyberpunks.
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.039
They were like you're a poser cyberpunk.
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.279
So apparently, it's not just normal punks who are intolerant of phonies.
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.119
The cyberpunks are right up there with them.
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:55.119
There are there's no punks that are there's no there's no punks seeker, please.
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:55.839
That are kind.
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:56.400
That's funny.
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.279
Don't even get me started on the steampunks.
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.279
Oh my god.
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.440
Do you know about Toothom's Chocolate Emporium?
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.079
No.
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.039
Okay.
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.960
Why is this something that I should know about?
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:19.679
Uh well, it's this, it's this, okay, so it's this restaurant, it's a theme restaurant in Universal City Walk.
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:25.440
There is one in Florida, and there's one here in LA.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.000
Okay.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:36.400
Uh couple years ago, before transitioning, I was dating this wonderful Persian girl.
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.840
Her name was.
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.559
We had some amazing dates.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:49.119
I think, I think we first started because I had a Palestinian flag on my profile, which back then you had to, you had to friggin' know.
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.280
If you knew, you knew.
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.239
People would ask me, like, what flag is that?
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.119
Are you where are you from?
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.519
I'd be like, no, that's a Palestinian flag.
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.800
So we went on two or three great dates.
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.239
We were having a great time.
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.400
I I could see a future with her.
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:13.679
So I decided to introduce her to one of my favorite pastimes, which is doing things ironically.
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:19.280
And I made us reservations at Toothom's Chocolate Emporium.
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:26.159
Now, this is a steampunk-themed restaurant where everything on the menu contains chocolate.
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.599
They have cork tenderloin with chocolate.
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:30.159
Okay.
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.960
They have a pasta with chocolate, they have a hamburger with chocolate.
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.679
And you know they have desserts and drinks, but we went.
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:42.000
No, I think it'd be better if they just didn't have those things.
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.760
Like, no, we don't have desserts.
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:54.800
Like, you have to eat your chocolate in uh in these other foods, but we don't have just we feel we feel like we'd be gilding the lily if we did chocolate desserts.
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:56.960
They'd be selling out for the steampunks.
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.159
We'd be chocolate maxing, and we don't want to, we don't want to be doing that.
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.039
Gotta get out of this maxing somehow.
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:12.880
I meet her there, and I can already tell she's like, what the fuck is going on here?
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:27.599
Her now, her parents, and I learned this maybe two dates ago, that her parents were rebels in the 70s Iranian revolution.
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:37.360
And her parents were friends with Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, and we were totally socialist, like kindred spirits.
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:47.119
And she did not find the humor in a theme restaurant in Universal City Walk.
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:48.000
Sure.
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.880
She could not have been less happy that day.
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.039
So we wrap it up.
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:02.719
I walk her to her car in the Jurassic parking lot, and she dumps me right there.
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.679
Hey, game recognized game.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.039
Fair as fair.
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.480
Don't take anyone to Tucsom's Chocolate Emporium.
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:18.960
Unless you are 100% sure they are on the same ironic spectrum as you.
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:36.719
I okay, so I was thinking like this would be a fun, late-stage, capitalist, dystopian experience where like they have a person in a robot costume, a steampunk robot, come and greet diners, and they didn't come, they didn't come to our table.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.320
That could have made all the difference.
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.079
Yeah, that might have helped.
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.719
Costume characters are great wingmen.
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.920
They're always real good at livening shit up.
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:51.519
Uh uh, it's a beautiful, it's so beautifully designed.
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.400
Uh, the inside of Tusom's.
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.480
It's an open circular floor plan.
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.239
Like you're dining along a tower, along the outside of a tower.
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:08.559
And there's screens of flying machines and hot air balloons, and there's gears turning.
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.079
It's so cool.
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.239
But also fucked up City Walk restaurant.
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:22.239
Oh, they even have a okay, you know those army killer robots that look like dogs, they go really fast and are scary as hell.
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.400
I think there was a black mirror about them.
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.079
Um terrifying.
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:31.519
They have one of those out in front dressed like a steampunk robot dog.
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.760
That's how fucked.
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.639
They're using defense weaponry as mascots.
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.440
This food was not.
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:41.360
That's right next to the bubble gums.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.599
Yes, it's it's yeah.
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.159
And the food wasn't good, but and it got me dumped.
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:54.800
Uh so where was I?
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.679
Okay, cyberpunks, steampunks.
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.800
Um but anyway, he's alive and well.
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.119
He still plays with Steve Stevens.
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.719
Uh, he stopped doing drugs, he's fucking fit.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.519
He's been body maxing, and that's a real one.
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.000
Body maxing is real.
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:13.519
That's the real one.
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.199
He looks great.
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:24.960
He this isn't a boy George Robert Smith situation where they're they've doubled in size, but are still putting on makeup.
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.079
Um the he he looks great, he sounds great.
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:42.320
Um, and the last thing is, like I said, he had a band in 1976 called Generation X, and he had an album in 1993 called Cyberpunk.
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:48.159
Neither of those terms were commonly used when he came out with those things.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.559
The key has great timing.
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:56.320
They let's see.
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:10.639
Uh yeah, uh Generation X was not uh a common in common use until the you know, until Generation X got old enough and became the reality bites kind of thing.
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:17.599
And Cyberpunk is like a series of sci-fi novels, but like sci-fi wasn't mainstream at that time.
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.480
So like he's got great instincts.
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:27.440
And he was the first to sell t-shirts and merchandise that said generation X on it.
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:35.440
So he holds the trademark for all clothing that says generation X on it.
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.719
You can't get a Generation X t-shirt without going through Billy first.
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.000
Wow.
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:49.360
Next time I see those Generation X shirts at Cole's, I'll remember that money is going straight to Billy's pockets.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.719
Yep.
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.000
But not really, because I made that up.
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.039
I made that thing up about the trademark.
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.639
Um sorry.
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.000
Okay.
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.800
Yeah, I was goofmaxing, and I'm sorry.
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.599
We we have a responsibility to our listeners, and I apologize.
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.039
That's all I got.
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.280
Billy Idol, I think he's great.
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.719
He's so interesting.
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:21.519
I'll save my opinions about its Jack FM qualities for later.
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:22.320
Okay.
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:30.320
I'm actually glad we didn't go into commercial or go into break because we're kind of getting low on those bumpers.
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.440
Well, and at this point, the show's over.
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.760
We're at an hour and seven minutes already.
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.440
Um, we're gonna make a super.
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.960
So that's been our show.
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.559
Uh we we'll maybe we split this one up.
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.400
This will be a cliffhanger episode.
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:57.679
I think it's funny because Money Money is written at this time where everybody wants to talk about sex and they have to come up with dumb words to describe it.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:08.960
It's funny that you know Billy Idol's first song, Dancing with Myself, is the rumor is that it's about masturbation.
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:20.480
And he loves the song Money Money, and I did read that his affection for it is because of some losing his virginity in a park or something when he was 14.
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:27.039
So it's funny that it's just this private memory sexual encounter.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:33.440
It's really endured the radio, the airwaves for so many years, thinking somebody popping the cherry.
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.159
Little Billy popping his cherry.
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.800
And I think we're alone now.
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:46.239
I heard that that is about Tommy James and his like he had a crude sex doll, like a 60s sex doll.
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.880
And he would he sang that song to it.
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.000
Is that true?
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.840
Are you goofmaxing again?
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.239
I'm goofmaxing on that one.
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.679
Uh yeah.
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:02.800
Yeah, I do think that Crimson and Clover is legitimately such a sexy, cool song.
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.440
It kind of feels like they can finally let go a little bit.
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.039
Everybody else is doing it.
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.920
They don't have to sing Moni Moni.
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.159
No, it is a fuck song for sure.
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:14.880
I love it.
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.480
Like you said, we'll save our opinions for later, but here we have a cover.
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:30.320
It's not our first cover, but this is our first live performance in the bracket.
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:38.320
And it's interesting that this song had a second life, and this is already this is the second life of that second life.
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:38.719
Yeah.
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:46.000
And it goes to number one, it's a song that's really truly about nothing.
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.280
I mean, it's about boning, but it's a with a goofy title.
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.360
So yeah, it's uh but it is a great song, and you're right.
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.679
There it's a wonderful song, it's gets me pumped, and yeah.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.599
So uh what version of those three versions, what's your favorite?
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:17.519
I would probably still go with uh Tommy James's, but Tommy James really gets a party going, but like it's it's loose and good.
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.639
I I agree.
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:29.599
It just has that same something about that 60s energy feels more I don't know, authentic for when you're getting the party going.
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.960
Yeah, like like you can tell it's definitely recorded together in studio.
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:46.239
Um I personally I think the I think the 90 1982 Billy Idol version is like very good.
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.400
The live version I like the least, honestly.
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.800
Uh but it is the most uh popular one.
00:44:54.800 --> 00:45:01.119
And um no, I love like I love the Tommy James.
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.880
I think my favorite is the 1982 first version from Billy.
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.199
Is the 87 one only as popular as it is because of the loot chanting?
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.920
Like, is that something that had been building since 82 to 87?
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:23.280
So by the time that song hits, everybody's uh familiar with what to do.
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:30.079
Like it's a you know sweet Caroline thing, but uh much more crude.
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.280
Sweet Caroline, the bum bum bum is so cringe.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.280
Oh yes, it's cringy.
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.599
It's cringe, it's a jester.
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.800
It's it's cringe maxing.
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:43.840
You knew that was coming.
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.000
I was gonna say it, but yes.
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:47.840
Yeah, uh, you say it.
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.119
It's cringe.
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.519
It's it's a jester.
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.320
It's cringe maxing.
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:56.480
Yes, it is.
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.239
It certainly is.
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:08.480
But I'm sure that you know that song gained popularity both from people wanting to shout that dumb shit.
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.280
Yeah is that the same thing?
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.280
Is that the same case with Moni Moni Live?
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:19.920
What do you mean, is it the same case?
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:24.400
I don't know how I don't know how Sweet Caroline, I don't know how that shit started.
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:29.920
But I'm saying Sweet Caroline was probably popular when it came out.
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.840
It is now much more popular because people want to do that dumb shit.
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:34.559
Yeah.
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:41.360
Did the 87 Money Money really only go off because people wanted to do chant the loot shit?
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:43.360
I don't know, like no.
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:54.880
I mean, uh of his, I'm sure it's like in the let's I would say top six or seven most popular Billy Idol songs.
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.760
So at the concert, it's gonna it's gonna be great.
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:06.000
Plus, I have not I like I'm learning through this podcast the power of clubs, the power of like club music.
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:13.440
So like people, these these weren't just obscure little mixing electronic sounds.
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:23.519
They DJs people went to clubs and DJs played great music and it had a life outside of radio, outside of MTV.
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.800
Um even in Dallas.
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:36.559
But why is what is it about the bop bop bah that is so chooggy, so cringe.
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:52.239
I mean I don't know, it's just it always it feels very I don't know when that started.
00:47:52.239 --> 00:48:06.400
I feel like the first time I remember it was maybe in like Fever Pitch or something, like it feels very that era Boston Red Sox um like they would do it.
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:16.159
Um no, at my sister's wedding, which came out before I think Fever Pitch came out in 2004.
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.639
I know because we watched it several times a week.
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:25.360
Johnny Damon, greatest ass in the league.
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:26.960
No, no, Nanette.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.039
I would never see that play.
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:35.360
Uh Johnny Damon Carl Yes Remsky.
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.079
I bet.
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:36.480
Yeah.
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.320
This means nothing.
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:39.360
Nathan Lane.
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.239
Nathan Lane, my uh fever pitch.
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.280
This is Fever Pitch is my favorite romantic comedy.
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:46.719
Oh it's the best.
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:48.239
We watched it so much.
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:49.679
It's very funny.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:49:01.119
But anyway, my sister got married in 2002, and they fucking bowled that shit at the wedding, at the reception.
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.639
Yeah, I don't know what it is either.
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:06.559
In Dallas.
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.400
So maybe Dallas.
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.280
I can't get enough of Chugi ass.
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.159
No.
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.480
The the the Billy Idol one.
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.159
The mony money's not shoogy.
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:21.760
That's not that's not great.
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:22.960
That's pretty crazy.
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:28.639
Um what's the uh what's the other famous one?
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.159
The Margaritaville.
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.159
There's a Margaritaville one.
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.159
That's like where's the salt?
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.239
Where's the goddamn salt?
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:38.480
Yeah.
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.320
I gotta find out where it's a good one.
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:47.679
I also don't like the I also don't like the the additions to Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer.
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.280
Like a light bulb.
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:53.119
Yeah.
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:54.719
You know what I mean?
00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:01.840
If yeah, if artists wanted other parts in a song, they would have added them.
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.880
Like why who are these people who are like, we need to add something?
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.920
I I as a listener can't just sit here and enjoy this song for two minutes.
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.320
I have to add, I have to contribute to it.
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.679
These friggin' Dallas narcissists.
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.719
I bet you it's all it's all Dallas.
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.639
It's very white privilege.
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.719
It reeks of white privilege.
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.719
Did I read like a BuzzFeed article about Gen Z?
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:37.840
Well, reeking of white privilege is actually a great place to leave off for our next segment.
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.599
If we want to take a quick break and come right back.
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.199
Let's do so.
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:44.559
Alright.
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.400
When we get back, I'm gonna discuss the new radicals.
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:49.920
You get what you give.
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.559
If you think that this is just another radio station, then you don't know Jack.
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.519
And we're back.
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:58.320
Alright.
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.000
Okay, so the new radicals, Greg Alexander.
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.599
It's really just him.
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:08.400
He's a man of many hats, but specifically one bucket hat.
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:15.039
Bucket it kind of ruined bucket hats for me because I don't really like I never liked looking at this album cover.
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.840
I never something about him I just always kind of detested.
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:20.480
Yeah.
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.000
Even Jamiraquai was take off that fucking hat.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:25.519
That's Maud Thang Might.
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.480
Jamiquai, by the way, have you seen him recently?
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.119
Yeah.
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.119
Uh he's like a hot dude.
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.840
He did a duet with Dua Lipa.
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.800
Wait, what were you saying?
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:35.119
Yeah.
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:36.719
He's a hot dude.
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:37.440
He is.
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:38.639
He's like Brad Pitt.
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:45.119
Even in the virtual insanity video, he's got a very Mark Wahlberg face.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:45.679
Yeah.
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.320
But did not know he was white.
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:49.840
No, me neither.
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:50.480
Yeah.
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.239
Uh yeah, he's blonde and has a little beard or something now.
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:58.719
But yeah, his duet with Dua Lipa, I should go to Wembley Stadium.
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:04.880
I'm not a Swifty, I'm not Swift Maxing, but Dua Lipa, I love her.
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:06.320
Love her to death.
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:06.639
Yeah.
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.719
God, she's she well, one, she's one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:11.360
She's gorgeous.
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.559
She also loves music and does great music.
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:20.800
I don't remember if her was actually her first single, but the the one about the rules, that song rips.
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.119
The New Radicals album cover, it's giving a little wiki feed.
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.119
It does it.
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:31.840
Or it gives like a giantess, a giganticism fetish.
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.039
It gives me like a it's just sketchers ad or something.
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.639
It just looks like very good.
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:37.360
Very good.
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:43.199
Anyway, okay, so he's from one of the wealthiest suburbs in America, Gross Point.
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.880
And he has this whole career prior to the New Radicals.
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.280
So I'm gonna get into a little bit of his backstory.
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.840
He was raised a Jehovah's Witness.
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:56.159
I think he kind of leans into that more than maybe is it's accurate.
00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:00.960
It does sound like his mom was just kind of shopping around for religions all the time.
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.320
Hold on, hold on.
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.360
What if there was a brand power for Jehovah's Witness?
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.639
I would love that.
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:14.320
She was just shopping around and needed, she didn't know where to go for religion.
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:25.599
Greg eventually started a band with his brother and then moved to LA after he heard Prince's The Beautiful Ones, which one of my favorite songs.
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:32.320
That's maybe the end of the things that I will have in common with Greg Alexander.
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.760
Um that's the one place that I will see eye to eye with him.
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:42.960
He goes to LA and he gets hooked up with this producer, and he puts out two albums.
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.800
They are completely ignored.
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.920
One of them is called Intoxifornication.
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.400
You made me listen to that.
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:51.199
Yeah.
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.519
It's the funniest and worst thing ever made.
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:56.000
Yeah.
00:53:56.000 --> 00:54:05.519
He's clearly trying to do Prince, but it sounds like Brian Adams with like rat and a drum machine as the backing band.
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:20.880
And he's got this long mane of hair, and in the videos, his shirt is missing most of its buttons, and there's a couple unhoused trash can fires in a warehouse and some scantily clad ladies dancing around.
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.119
Amongst all the boxes?
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.119
Yeah, can you believe that?
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:26.719
Stored goods?
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:28.800
Yeah, always in a warehouse.
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:34.400
Everything dangerous in the 80s and 90s was happening in a warehouse with some trash can fires.
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.119
When people think about warehouses, I think we all think of empty warehouses.
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.559
But probably warehouses have a bunch of boxes.
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.159
Yeah, most of them are probably brimming with goods.
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.280
So consumer good.
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:55.840
Like, okay, but hold on, move the trash can fire because it's a little too close to those Bopets.
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:57.199
The Bopet warehouse.
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.679
All of this takes place in the Bopet warehouse.
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.039
Yeah, so I don't know.
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.559
These songs, I want to redo the lyrics to one of these songs.
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:09.119
In in, it feels so good when I go under your hood.
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.039
I don't mean to talk dirty.
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.119
I respect you like a slap in the face.
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:17.679
But baby, I'm in this for the kill, not for the thrill of the chase.
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:19.599
This guy sucks.
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.960
It's very problematic in many ways.
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.440
Again, it sounds like Prince.
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.880
Uh, here's another one.
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.800
This one's less problematic.
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.880
I'm a Jew, a Jew.
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.480
You're my Hitler.
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.039
So come on and take me alive.
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:36.639
Is he though?
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.039
No, he's witness.
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.000
He's JW.
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.840
Yeah, he's just being confrontational.
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:52.159
This same song that he says that, then it later in the song, it it has this like sexual build of like, it's coming, it's coming.
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.119
Are you ready?
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:54.000
It's coming.
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.760
Here comes the lawsuit.
00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.880
And then the song just turns into Slowride by Foghat, like just drops into Slowride.
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:06.480
This guy, like everything he does is just trying to be like provocative, I guess.
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:07.199
Yes.
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:08.719
But nobody cares.
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.880
These albums get zero traction.
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:18.960
But he does get the attention of that producer, Rick Knowles, who wrote Heaven is a Place on Earth for Beautiful.
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:26.800
Summertime Sadness for Lana Del Rey.
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.000
Wow.
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.920
So he is in Greg's corner.
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.000
And no one else is.
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.880
Nobody else, but Well, wait a minute.
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:37.519
Wait a minute.
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:42.880
Did you mention, like, how did he go from moving to LA with his brother to having records?
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.280
No, he's so he didn't move with his brother.
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.519
He just moved to LA and kind of somehow got hooked up with this guy.
00:56:49.519 --> 00:57:02.719
To be honest with you, there's some moments like this in this story that I couldn't find, and it almost feels very industry plant to me because when I listen to that album, I'm like, how did this happen?
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.679
How did you get a record deal making these songs?
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.039
Because they're bad.
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:11.760
Those are some real bad songs on that intoxic fornication.
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.440
Like the chili peppers would be like, I don't know, man.
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:17.760
I like that word though.
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.280
You know, he comes for money.
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.920
He might have gotten his dad to write a check or something.
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:22.719
Maybe.
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:24.480
That's probably the case.
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:30.239
But this career ends and he's dormant from 92 to 97.
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:36.559
He somehow gets another record deal, but this time it's under the New Radicals.
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:37.599
It's still just him.
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:41.760
He shaved off his long mane and replaced it with a bucket hat.
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:48.480
And this record label gives him a $600,000 advance as the New Radicals.
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.039
Greg rips up the rules of these failed albums.
00:57:51.039 --> 00:58:00.320
It's just gonna be him playing most of the instruments, but he does bring in his longtime collaborator, Danielle Risbois, I believe is how you say her name.
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.320
She was an actress who was on All in the Family in the later years.
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.119
She was like the niece or something, great niece.
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.039
So pretty young, like a baby.
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:10.079
Pretty young.
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.000
I never saw All in the Family.
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:14.400
So I it seems like it came on a long time ago.
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:19.920
It lasted forever because then there was a spinoff called Archie's Place, and she's on that a lot more regularly.
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:25.360
She goes on later to write Unwritten and Pocket Full of Sunshine for Natasha Beddingfield.
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:27.440
Love Natasha Beddingfield.
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:28.079
Me too.
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:29.760
So it's really the two of them.
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:30.320
You know what?
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:31.679
Throw in her brother Daniel.
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:32.559
I don't give a shit.
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:33.920
Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.880
So the two of them and Rick are writing all these songs.
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:40.000
Everybody else who's on the album is called in as a favor.
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:41.360
Greg's down on his luck.
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:42.320
Let's help him out.
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.880
And they pen this album.
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.960
No, first, I did want to say.
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:51.440
So he writes the song Murder on the Dance Floor, but he does.
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.039
Greg Alexander.
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:54.079
Yes.
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:57.360
This guy just That's in his favor.
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.760
I gotta put that one in the win column for him.
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:08.480
He writes that first and is considering putting it on the album, but ends up giving it to Sophie Ellis Baxter.
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.239
Oh yeah, Sophie Ellis Baxter.
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:16.559
I believe it first comes out in 2001 on her album and then had a major resurgence a couple years ago.
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:23.440
Yeah, when I was into Robbie Williams and Kylie Minogue, I really sang her praises.
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:29.360
And also Girls Aloud, I really loved British pop for a minute.
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.360
Yeah, you were really into British pop.
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:31.920
Yeah.
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:33.679
Sophie, Sophie was great.
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:34.800
Okay, go on.
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.960
I don't want to get ahead.
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:41.760
So, you know, being from Gross Point and not really ever having a worldview.
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:49.360
He sees the injustices of the world and how corporates are just selling us this American dream, and it's turning him bitter.
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:53.840
And here he's tried to put his heart and soul into intoxifornication.
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:58.719
And he's coming at this new album, like, no, I want to shine a light on this.
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.679
Um the album's called Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too.
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.079
He has a very big opinion of himself.
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.320
He's really up his own ass, yeah.
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:10.239
And so yeah, the first single is You Get What You Give.
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:12.880
He and Rick produce it.
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.400
It's ultra polished, it's very well made.
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.599
Very well-made song.
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:19.119
I've heard worse albums.
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:20.320
I'll be I'll be honest.
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:20.880
Yeah.
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:21.519
Yeah.
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:22.559
I agree.
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:30.960
But something, this song, when it came out, I was convinced it must be some 80s artist taking a victory lap or something.
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:38.320
Like the first time I heard it, especially even just the intro to the one, two, three, ow, all of that stuff.
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.280
That stuff just doesn't feel like you should be allowed to do that on your debut.
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:44.559
Yes.
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:51.679
You should be required to have like three albums under your belt before you're allowed to yow right at the beginning of a song.
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.920
The it's just the audacity of coming out of the gates like this.
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.960
Greg says the song was inspired by a dream he had about Joni Mitchell.
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:07.280
He heard this music coming from in the house, so he walked in and she was in there and she was like, take a seat.
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.719
Let me tell you what we need to fix in the world.
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.960
And so he penned this song.
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.000
And most of the song is all about inspiration.
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.079
You could really look at his life and say, he never gave up.
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.760
He had this failed career, but he's got the music in him.
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.039
He kept going.
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:33.519
A lot of the song is incoherent, doesn't really pick a lane, but yes, but like Billy Idol, Greg coined a term.
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:42.000
Sure, Billy Idol has Generation X and Cyberpunk, two big ones, but without Greg Alexander, we would never have frenemies.
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:42.880
Frenemies.
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:44.079
So that's awesome.
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.159
I mean, I if that's not enough.
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:50.480
I could just stop there, I think, but I'll keep going a little bit more.
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:56.239
So he makes this claim that this song is like a Trojan horse.
01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:14.159
He m packaged this ultra-pop song that will be on the radio, and he can put in his politically charged outro and tack on some celebrity diss track, and people aren't going to hear what he has to say about all these political issues.
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:19.679
Kind of like John Popper saying, I can say nothing as long as it sounds good.
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:24.480
Greg is kind of taking the approach, you won't hear what I say so long as it sounds right.
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:30.639
So he's kind of already making this song with the idea that he's above us.
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.719
If we like this song, it's our fault.
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:36.159
We're Philistines if if if we like this thing.
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:43.599
So then he ends the song by saying, health insurance, rip off line, FDA, big banks buying, cloning while they're multiplying.
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:52.079
Like he's talking about things that we still are dealing with, but then drops in fashion suits with Beckin Hanson, Courtney Love, and Marilyn Manson.
01:02:52.159 --> 01:03:00.000
You're all fakes, run to your mansions, come around, we'll kick your asses, we'll kick your asses, we'll kick your asses.
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:07.280
And yeah, he predicted that nobody would focus on that stuff and that we'd all focus on the celebrity callouts.
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:13.119
And he's kind of right, but it's also, I don't know, this bugged me since the day it dropped.
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.920
Because who are you to say these things?
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.400
And especially the people who he's calling out.
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:28.320
It's like back at this point, just released mutations and is showing he's one of the most relentlessly original artists there is.
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:31.199
Doesn't do a ton of fashion shoots.
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:32.079
I could say that.
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.320
Yeah, not doing a ton of fashion shoots.
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:41.599
Corny Love at this point feels kind of reckless and dangerous, and Marilyn Manson is a provocateur.
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.079
None of them feel manufactured at all.
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:47.119
So this is these are very weird people to call out.
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:57.760
And you know, if he's kind of right, I guess, because that's what people focused on, and maybe that's helped propel the song in the way that Billy Idol's those lewd call-outs did.
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:05.840
I don't know, probably not, but well, it songs of this period loved being super specific about people.
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:13.199
Remember that Rockaby where it had like Dennis Hopper and Bob Seeger and Sonny and Cher?
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.159
Sonny Bono's very great, by the way.
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:17.840
I'll we'll talk about him some other time.
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:24.960
Or there would be like, she likes me for me, hang out with Leonardo, that guy in Fargo.
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:25.599
Yeah.
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:26.719
Uh what else?
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:32.719
Well, I mean, there's LFO, there's Joan of Arc, Cleopatra, Aphrodite.
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.559
I mean, those are a little more broad.
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:41.599
I mean, in in their other single, he's talking about whatever happened to Amelia.
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:49.760
Um, yeah, is that is that specific to the 90s that we needed stuff to reference directly?
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.239
Like, is that not happening in older music?
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:53.519
I guess it's not really.
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.039
Interesting.
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:56.079
That is weird.
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:04.079
No songs, not only do they call out contemporaries, I don't even think I don't think other songs even mention anybody.
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:08.159
The only one I can think of is Chairman Mao in Revolution.
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:13.199
But yeah, no, this was this was maybe a new phenomenon.
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:15.360
Well, you know who probably started it.
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:20.960
Our old buddy Billy Joel with his We Didn't Start the Fire, just naming everybody.
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.440
And then REM with End of the World.
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:29.760
It's funny that just mentioning those songs because this part of the song is that like da-da-da-da.
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:33.519
It's the fast like I'm gonna name a bunch of crap right now, really fast.
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:34.239
It's wrong.
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:41.760
But yeah, he he himself says that none of these were meant to be specific call outs, but then why'd you do it?
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.679
Yeah, a little backpedaling.
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:52.400
Marilyn Manson said, I don't mind him saying that he'll kick my ass, but he should never mention my name in the same sentence as Courtney Love again.
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.800
And if I ever see him, I'll bash in his skull.
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.599
Okay, well, fuck him, because one, Courtney Love was the first.
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:05.440
Person to call Harvey Weinstein out, and people ignored her, ruined her acting career.
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:12.480
She at this time had done some great performances in like people versus Larry Flint and Larry Flint, yeah.
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:17.519
Man on the Moon, and Harvey crushed her and blacklisted her.
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.320
And also Marilyn Manson is a rapist.
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.280
So Courtney's on the right side of both of those.
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.800
So maybe Marilyn Manson should shut the fuck up.
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.360
Oh, also Marilyn Manson's a bad actor.
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.039
And I guess he did apologize to Beck in a grocery store.
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:33.920
Who Greg did?
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:37.280
Yeah, Greg's like, hey, oh hey, Beck.
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.000
Uh, it's he probably had to like say who he was.
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.960
Beck was like, oh, I didn't notice you without the bucket hat.
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:47.920
And then he did work with Hansen, and they were like, he's crazy, but he seems cool.
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:49.840
So all these people, yeah.
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:50.320
I don't know.
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:59.599
Greg just to me seems like his whole life is shouting at somebody from the safety of inside your car, like shouting at another driver from with your windows rolled up.
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:06.800
You get to maybe like pushing someone and then running behind your mom's legs or something.
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:07.840
You can't touch me.
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.719
Yeah, being a provocateur, but not really.
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.039
This is the fog hat thing all over again.
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:18.639
They're gonna sue me because I'm gonna drop my song into Fog Hat, but but that's not it's not cool.
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:22.079
Like what you're doing isn't worth anybody's time.
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.760
Including, so then you know, this song comes out, big hit.
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.039
They start touring.
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:31.039
It's like literally months after this song comes out.
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:40.000
He starts calling the bucket hat a costume because he needs it to hide his lack of enthusiasm, having to sing this song over and over again.
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.039
The second single has a release date.
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:44.320
They shoot a video for it.
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:45.760
Someday we'll know.
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:51.760
Before it even drops on the radio, he announces New Radicals is done.
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:53.199
He's disbanding the band.
01:07:53.199 --> 01:08:00.719
He doesn't want to be stuck being this one-hit wonder, but he hasn't even given himself a chance to have another single yet.
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:06.880
But maybe he saw the writing on the wall because that song barely charts in Brazil.
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:11.199
That's the only country that it even got close to doing anything.
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:12.960
And it's the same song.
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:13.679
That's the same.
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:19.119
Someday we'll know is just the same song as you get what you give.
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.039
You get The Captain of the Titanic cry.
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.359
You got the music in you.
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:26.399
It's the same.
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:27.279
It works.
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.960
Someday we'll know if love can move them out.
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:35.760
It's the same song.
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:41.680
It's and what's interesting though is the rest I say I notice I say what's interesting too much.
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:47.279
So I'm trying to I say I like whenever I'm making fun of something a lot.
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:47.680
Sure.
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.600
Like I like how you need to pick a different starter.
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:56.319
The rest of that album is nothing like either of those songs, I feel like.
01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:02.800
The rest of that album, there are moments of it that are kind of cool, and then there are moments that are really bizarre.
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:03.119
Yeah.
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:25.039
I just find that ultimately somehow he had this career, failed, got a second chance, got this big advance, made something that he was promoting as, you know, railing against corporate brainwashing, but then just kind of fled the scene before anybody could accuse him of anything.
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:34.079
He seems like the ultimate con man coming, coming to town, changing his entire look, bucket hat, everything, getting his piece and running.
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:38.720
And then for the rest of his career, he's been behind the scenes.
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.359
He has been a writer on a lot of big songs.
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.760
He won a Grammy for what's the the Santana song?
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.760
It's not the Michelle, or it's the second Michelle Branch one, right?
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.119
Then the Game of Love.
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.560
Yeah, Game of Love.
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:52.960
Yeah.
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:53.439
Yeah.
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:59.920
So he wins a Grammy for Game of Love, which is also kind of the same vibe as you get what you give.
01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:03.279
Like the verse of that is very much his song.
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.560
But yeah, so he works with Rick.
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:07.840
They just write songs now.
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.279
He wins a Grammy for that.
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:13.840
He's Academy Award nominated for a song that he wrote.
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.199
I forgot which one.
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:20.319
After 20 years of refusing to reunite, although who's asking?
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:21.199
That's my question.
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:22.960
Who's asking you to reunite?
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:23.680
Yeah.
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:29.520
The New Radicals did perform You Get What You Give at Biden's inauguration.
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:37.439
That was the first time since 1998 that they performed it, because it was Bo Biden's quote favorite song.
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:40.479
Bo Biden, big time fan of that song.
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.640
So the one, okay, Bo died of cancer, right?
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.560
While while Obama was in office.
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:50.000
Here's what's weird.
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.600
Remember that the Obamas had a dog named Bo.
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:55.279
Yeah, that is weird.
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:56.079
Come here, Bo.
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:56.640
What a sec.
01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.039
Sorry, I was I was actually calling the dog.
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:00.399
Uh Bo, get down.
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:00.800
Sorry.
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:01.439
Sorry, Joe.
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:02.079
That's not your son.
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:04.000
Oh no, actually, Bo, you can stand up.
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.399
I was referring to the dog again.
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.439
So, yeah, so they did it as a tribute to Bo Biden.
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.279
It took the Bidens to get him to put back on the bucket hat.
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:20.079
They got it, they got the wrong bow.
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:22.800
Um, let's see, what else?
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:32.079
When the song came out, funny enough, Joni Mitchell praised this song, saying it rose from the swamps of Mick Music like a flower of hope.
01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:37.359
The Edge from You Two says it's one of the songs that he wished he wrote.
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:40.239
Sure, it's fucking pretentious as hell.
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:40.560
Yeah.
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:41.199
Yeah.
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:48.000
Ice T was once quoted as naming only this song when asked what else he listened to other than rap.
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:49.199
I like the picture.
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:50.720
You only get what you give.
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.439
I love that one song by the New Radicals.
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.880
So, yeah, that's kind of my journey with Greg Alexander.
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.920
I do not feel like I like him very much.
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:01.680
My research.
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:05.279
He's just he's very pretentious, very up his own ass.
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.359
I don't think this song.
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:08.319
Yeah, I don't know.
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:09.520
What are you what are your thoughts?
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.119
He is absolutely a complete asshole.
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:19.279
He is talented, but I'd say more lucky than hardworking.
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:31.199
He is really what happens when a person is born with complete confidence and a feeling of everything being his for the taking.
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:31.680
Right.
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:37.760
Where we all are filled with self-doubt and self-criticism.
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:42.239
And he strikes me as someone who completely lacks that.
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:43.920
And that might be his talent.
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.920
That might be his superpower.
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:51.840
And I'm sure his mom and dad paid for his LA apartment the first several years, maybe his first album.
01:12:51.840 --> 01:13:03.840
And yeah, he is someone who could probably walk away from money and fame because I just think maybe he just really wanted he wanted love.
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.319
Or he wanted, I don't know, maybe not.
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:12.079
But this song, get what you give, I really don't know how you said pick a lane.
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:16.079
I kind of know what he's saying, but I don't know what he's talking about.
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:16.880
Right.
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:24.000
Is it like a youth anthem, or is it just personal beef with things like bitching?
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:32.159
It almost feels like he has equal beef with frenemies and health insurance killing people.
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.840
And then computer crashing and politeness.
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.239
These are all sticking in his craw.
01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:40.000
But yeah, the pick a lane shit.
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:40.640
Yes.
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.800
We've got the dreamers disease.
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:46.640
But then he says you feel your dreams are dying, hold tight.
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.199
So are dreams a disease you want us to hold on to?
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:51.840
Right.
01:13:52.720 --> 01:14:07.279
But I do, I do now get the early indoctrination, the brainwashing, the creating as a child, creating the system, creating obedient little workers.
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:16.399
I guess he I guess he puts his money where his mouth is with being anti-Mercedes-Benz or but then he says, hey, we do it in style.
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:20.000
But like, aren't fashion shoots doing it in style?
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:32.640
I'm just reaching at this point, but you know, it is one of those things where you want to give him credit for standing up and doing these things, but I don't feel like leaving right after you have a smash hit.
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:34.079
I don't feel like that's it.
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:36.640
That's not fully putting your money where your mouth is.
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:44.079
That's just coming it through town, being a snake oil salesman and getting what you need and then hitting the bricks.
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:45.199
Really true.
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:45.760
Okay.
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.600
Last thing I need to say is the music video.
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:52.479
We all know exactly the music video.
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:56.000
Him in a mall, him with a bunch of rowdy kids.
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.800
Probably the Tiffany concert got canceled and they're pissed about something.
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.880
But he's doing like this slide on the floor.
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.640
That video is very problematic.
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:14.319
There's people in cages, people getting chased by dogs and security guards.
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:18.800
There is a woman who is straight up assaulted by teenagers.
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:29.520
They surround her, tackle her, they tear off her clothes and put her in a fast food uniform and send her to a food court.
01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:34.960
And she's now making food for all these teenagers who are yelling at her.
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:39.359
And it had to have been an absolutely traumatic experience for this woman.
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:43.520
And we're supposed to be like, hey, look out, world.
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:45.359
You could expect this from us.
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.720
Just because those people wore suits that were professionals.
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:49.119
Yeah.
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:52.479
Those people didn't have the dreamer disease.
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:57.039
As far as the song goes, it always had a bad taste in my mouth.
01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:05.680
And I found it like you said, making fun of somebody from their car or like whatever you said.
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.479
It's it's safe rebellion.
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:16.399
It's it's it's a lot of big talk, but and back, back being my favorite artist, I was like, he didn't even get that right.
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:22.159
And you know, Courtney Love was very vilified for I don't know what pe what are people thinking?
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:26.560
Like she encouraged Kurt Cobain to commit suicide?
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:27.760
Is that what people think?
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:28.800
Yeah, I guess.
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.520
I don't understand the benefit of that.
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.119
She was already in the conversation as his wife.
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:37.279
Why kill the golden goose?
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:39.680
Look how it turned out for our buddy Dave Grohl.
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:40.399
Yeah.
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:41.359
Where was he?
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:42.159
Where was he?
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:42.800
Where was he?
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:43.439
Where was he?
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:48.880
But yeah, this is uh safe rebellion, big talk, big bark, no bite.
01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:52.560
That's that sums up Greg Alexander perfectly, in my opinion.
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.319
Yeah, I don't love the song, I don't love him.
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:06.000
I will say the album's not terrible, but there is some super cringe, shoogy shit in there.
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.039
He's a phony.
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.079
I had never listened to the album until this week.
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:11.920
I only knew these two songs.
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:27.279
So this week was my first time ever listening to this album and then going down the rabbit hole and finding Intoxic Fornication and immediately sending it to you because it's like you said, it's laughable but not intentional.
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:40.479
That really painted the picture for me because I did always feel, like I said, that you get what you give sounds like a victory lap of an older artist that nobody asked for.
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:47.520
It's not something that we wanted, but it doesn't sound like it could possibly be the first song from an artist.
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:53.920
And I some of that I was wondering if that's just because of the age we were when these songs came out.
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:58.079
Like I kind of feel that way about Bittersweet Symphony, closing time.
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:04.239
These these things feel like they can't possibly be these bands' first songs.
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:06.960
They're just they're bit they're really big.
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:11.439
Certainly Bittersweet Symphony I like more, but I've kind of always boxed it.
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:15.359
Didn't Bittersweet Symphony also call it quits after that song?
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.800
I don't I think they also just were like, we're out.
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.720
Maybe, maybe that's true.
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:24.000
Although they have definitely gotten back together since then.
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:28.720
But I also get them confused because the verve and the verve pipe same time.
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.680
But yeah, this is a weird debut for a band.
01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:38.640
And last song, it's weird for a band to do one song and be like, that's it, that's all I got.
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.479
You're right about the uh the industry plant kind of feeling.
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:57.680
I listened to that album, maybe we've been brainwashed too, maybe three or four years ago for the first time, because everyone on Reddit or whatever subreddit I was on, everybody was like, maybe the one of the best albums of the 90s.
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.960
And then I listened and I was like, no, it's not.
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.159
I said it's okay.
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:03.439
Well, I didn't say anything.
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:08.319
And then I remembered that I've never gotten a good music recommendation from Reddit.
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:08.800
Right.
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:14.800
I can learn a lot of things by searching on Reddit, but music taste.
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.680
Reddit is not where I go for music recommendations.
01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:20.319
I would say any recommendations.
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.359
I did go on Reddit, I searched Reddit.
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:25.760
Does Greg Alexander suck?
01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:26.640
Just to see.
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.840
Because I was like, somebody must have bad stories about him.
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.920
Nobody really does, which is interesting.
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:41.359
But no, yeah, then I kind of stumble onto Reddit really fluffing his butt over this album and saying the same stuff still to this day.
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:42.800
Best album of the 90s.
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:45.520
Yeah, I might have seen the same butt fluffing.
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.800
People buying into that Trojan horse story.
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.600
So anyway, shall we take a quick break?
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:58.800
We'll come back and Cooper and I will figure out and then we will hear what you say.
01:19:58.800 --> 01:19:59.840
See you soon.
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:02.079
This is 93.1 Jack FM.
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:03.439
Jack, you want to come over?
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:05.039
I'll have the dull beverages.
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:06.800
Okay, welcome back.
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:10.880
We did do a little time jump so we could get the results.
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.279
But first That's right, we did.
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:16.800
We're welcome back.
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:17.439
What?
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.760
We're in our fallout shelters.
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.319
So Money Money.
01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:24.800
Here's why it's Jack FM.
01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:29.600
It's a cover, so you got cross-generational appeal.
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:33.760
The Tommy James version was not unpopular.
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:40.479
Gen X probably went to frat parties and school dances and know that chant.
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.479
Again, it's safe rebellion.
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:45.199
It's like, remember when we cussed in school?
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:54.000
Yeah, again, it's safe rebellion, Jack FM, Merry Pranksters, shooting spitballs from the from the back, a class.
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.760
And you know, most of all, the fucking wedding singer.
01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:04.000
Just Adam Sandler movie, 80s songs, and an old lady who raps.
01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:07.039
Like, should I stop naming Jack FM things?
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:08.000
Now hold up.
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:09.840
I'm Jack Maxon over here.
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:15.760
No, the wedding singer thing alone is what takes Moni Moni over the top for me.
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:26.479
I well, I have a lot of nice, fond memories of the wedding singer, but I think that Billy Idol was kind of amazing in that movie, and he's playing himself, and he looks great and he's cool.
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:29.920
And but yeah, I'm I'm with you, Adam Sandler.
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:36.159
This is Adam Sandler pre his little tribe of Happy Madison, Adam Sandler.
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:37.600
No, no, no, no.
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:44.479
This is pre-Waterboy, definitely pre Lil Nikki, definitely pre.
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:48.079
I think Big Daddy was 99.
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:48.960
What was that?
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:52.399
But I mean, there's no Rob Snyder, there's no Robert Smeigle.
01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:54.000
Well, yes, they're not in this.
01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:57.840
Kevin James, like it's a different movie, yes.
01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:58.319
Right.
01:21:58.319 --> 01:21:59.680
Has legs of its own.
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.560
But yeah, I can I understand what you what you mean.
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:16.000
And I agree with you on all of those points because I do think those things really do build a strong case for money money, Billy Idol's money money to be in this tournament and to move forward.
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:26.079
For me this week, I'm totally kind of at a split decision because of that, because I think those things do really lend themselves to Dijactical Magic.
01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:45.680
But I think at the end of the day, I have to go with the new radicals because while trying to be this revolt of commercialism is just 100% the epitome of a capitalistic uh song.
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:51.600
It's supposed to be the youth anthem, but it doesn't feel like that completely worked.
01:22:51.600 --> 01:23:04.000
It does just feel like the frat boys and the karaoke crowds took to it and it didn't have the results that it was meant to have, but I also don't really think it was meant to have them.
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.920
I think it was meant to line Greg's pockets so he could leave the scene.
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:15.520
Felt like this was his revenge for people not caring about his Jew and Hitler lyrics in Intoxic Fornication.
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:17.439
Intoxic fornication, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:26.079
So I think that there is this reinvention, which we didn't know about, but he completely reinvented who he was.
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.520
If you watch those videos, he's cosplaying Warrant.
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:30.079
Mm-hmm.
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:37.520
And now he's a shaved-head guy with the bucket hat who literally thinks of the bucket hat as part of his costume.
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:47.600
And if you go on Instagram and see any reels of him in the past few years, he will wear the bucket hat in a way where it's clearly saying, I am the new radicals guy.
01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:50.640
Like he wants to be remembered for this.
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:56.960
So at the end of the day, I think I am going with the new radicals this week, but it really was a toss-up.
01:23:57.279 --> 01:23:57.600
Okay.
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.399
So we are split on this.
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:04.000
But yeah, the wedding singer, like, I don't even consider that a cameo.
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.359
I consider that like a small role that steals.
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:11.439
I've only seen The Wedding Singer once, and I absolutely remember that.
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:14.000
Same with the Bill Murray Zombieland.
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.079
It was bigger than a cameo.
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.399
It's just not on the poster.
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.359
It's a definitely scene stealer.
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:24.399
Yeah, it's a scene stealer playing themselves.
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:30.880
Okay, so we told you last week we're not gonna beg you for voicemails, and that's gonna be true.
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.119
But once again, we didn't get one this week.
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:42.159
So I'm gonna take matters into my own hands and like the radio jockeys who do not exist on Jack FM, I'm gonna cold call some friends.
01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:44.479
Okay, do you do you know who?
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:46.560
Or do you have somebody in mind already?
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:48.560
Because I'm into I've got somebody.
01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.760
I've got the perfect guy for this episode.
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:58.960
Because he's from the same neighborhood as Greg, and we're gonna see what it was like growing up at Gross Point.
01:24:59.119 --> 01:24:59.760
Oh, good.
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:00.319
Okay.
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:01.840
Oh, it's ringing?
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:02.399
Okay.
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.359
Hello, Michael.
01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:06.960
You're on the air.
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.720
Uh who is this?
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:12.239
Uh it's Cooper.
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.239
What?
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:15.039
Okay.
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:16.640
What I'm what on the air?
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:17.199
What was?
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.319
Uh I'm recording you for the podcast.
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:21.680
I hope that's okay.
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:23.119
Oh, oh.
01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:26.079
What which which what podcast?
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.399
Oh, well, aren't you a good friend?
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:31.600
Uh I host a podcast uh called Jactical Magic.
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:33.359
Um, yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:34.000
Yeah, right.
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:34.720
I'm sorry.
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.680
I I haven't I haven't actually listened to it, but wait, are you serious?
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:39.119
Are you actually recording me for real?
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:39.760
Yes, I am.
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.199
I'm cold calling you.
01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:56.960
Um specifically because we have an artist this week, and they are from Gross Point, and you are the only person that I know who is from Gross Point, so I was calling to see what it was like growing up in Gross Point.
01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:59.920
Oh, okay.
01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:03.119
Uh I'm not really okay.
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:04.720
I'm I'm just caught off guard.
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:11.199
I was in the I is it can we I mean sorry, I feel like I'm screwing.
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:12.159
Can you cut this out?
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:13.840
Like you can cut it out, right?
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:15.119
You can edit stuff.
01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:17.279
No, I'm just really caught.
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:23.119
I'm just really confused about uh what I mean.
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:26.560
Wait, who's the artist?
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.479
Is you are you saying I know him?
01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:31.439
No, it's just I just want to know.
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:37.840
I'm just trying to get like a fun, like impromptu feel of what it was like in Gross Point.
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:38.479
That's all.
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:45.600
I mean, I know we haven't talked in a while, but like I know, it's just a little, I mean, I don't want to get it's a little weird.
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:50.399
I haven't heard from you in like four years, and like you get a I I don't know.
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:50.800
Okay.
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:54.800
I uh I understand I I do I I I hear that.
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:55.600
I hear that.
01:26:55.600 --> 01:27:04.640
And my my therapist says that I should acknowledge people's feelings when they say them, but I think it's I think it's really good that you're in therapy.
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.520
I think that's that's that's like a positive step.
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:07.840
Okay.
01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:18.399
Um, but if this is supposed to be like part of it, like I'm not prepared to participate in your healing journey right now.
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.760
So I really uh I wish you the best.
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:23.439
I hope the podcast does well.
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:27.359
I don't really understand what it is, but you know, all the best.
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:28.560
I mean, no hard feelings.
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:30.560
Okay, okay, just just don't hang up.
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:35.199
Okay, just tell me everything you know about the new radicals.
01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:43.199
Uh isn't that the band with uh Tina Yathers in it from the Am I wrong about that?
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.600
You're close, it's not Tina Yethers.
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:46.239
Yeah, that's right.
01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:53.439
Yeah, you know, but it's it's Danielle Brisbois, not Tina Yathers.
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:54.960
Oh, okay.
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.760
I yeah, that's I don't even know that.
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:02.640
I I you that's the sum total of Knowledge is about is the wait.
01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:04.239
I don't sorry, I don't want to get off.
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:06.640
Is the podcast about therapy too?
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.159
Like, is that part of your therapy?
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:12.560
Uh no, the the the podcast is not about therapy at all.
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:23.760
Um, other than like maybe it's therapeutic to go through the back catalog of a Jack FM playlist to figure out what the most jactical magic song of all time is.
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.800
Um yeah, you really have to listen to it.
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:31.119
I uh you know, it it was wrong of me to assume that you had been listening to it.
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.479
So um I do apologize, I guess.
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:42.880
Uh this goal is big, it's it's it's big of you to say that you're wrong and that you apologize because I agree.
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:46.159
Um so I guess we'll just leave it at that.
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:50.560
And like, you know, if you want to contact me again, you can always reach out to my lawyer.
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:51.279
Okay.
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:52.800
Uh well that's great.
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:57.439
And I believe that was a vote for the new radicals, correct?
01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:00.000
I don't know what you mean.
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:00.560
Okay.
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:02.960
Uh I'll talk to you later.
01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:05.039
All right.
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:06.000
Uh okay.
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:11.039
Well that um that didn't go quite as I had planned.
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.720
Yeah, that you said that's your friend.
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:20.720
It's uh it just it seemed like honestly he seemed like he hated you.
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.920
Yeah, maybe you did not appreciate that call.
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:27.119
I like you less from that.
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:27.600
Yeah.
01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.119
Yeah, I understand.
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:29.840
I get it.
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:33.119
Yeah, maybe I will downgrade him to frenemies.
01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:34.159
Hmm.
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.399
No, I think he's a straight up enemy.
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:37.279
Yeah, maybe.
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:38.880
Or you're an enemy of him.
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:40.720
I think I'm the enemy.
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:43.039
You probably think you're still friends, yeah.
01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:44.000
Yeah, boy.
01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:46.880
Okay, well, gotta shake that one off.
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:51.119
Yeah, so maybe just call us next time, and then we don't have to deal with that.
01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:52.159
What do you think?
01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:53.119
Right.
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.239
I'm not gonna lie, that was pitiful.
01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:56.880
Yeah.
01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:59.039
Yeah, leave leave voicemails.
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.520
Yeah, so save us this embarrassment.
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:07.279
And I do say us because that was clearly both of our ideas and both of our executions, not just me.
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.840
So help us out by sending voicemail next time.
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:14.079
And uh at least now I have something to talk about in therapy this week.
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:15.039
Finally.
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:29.840
Yeah, you're kind of making things up to your therapist, and once she hears this, well, okay, so listeners, you can vote on Instagram in the wait a minute, no, I gotta I gotta give you the results for fuck's sake.
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:31.119
Yeah, what are you doing?
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:43.920
All right, so in the winner of this week's matchup, which was Billy Idol's Moni Moni versus the New Radicals, get what you give.
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:50.560
And the winner with an even 61% of the vote, the New Radicals, get what you give.
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:53.439
Billy Moni Moni only got 39%.
01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:58.479
Feel like you guys are wrong, but whatever.
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.880
It's not about like it's it's not win or lose.
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.960
The songs, it's it's win or lose for them, but yeah, no, I'm fine.
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:10.319
I think it's it's tough because you know, I don't really want to have to talk about the new radicals again.
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:14.159
And I think that Moni Money is a better song for sure.
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:25.359
Some listeners might still just be lumping in what's worse as the most jactical magic of the two, which is often the case.
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:26.720
Wasn't last week.
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:39.520
We we both unanimously agreed that Come On Eileen is a kick-ass song, and we both agree that Money Money ass song and get what you give is lackluster, but it moves on, and that's that.
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:40.079
Yeah.
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.479
It's it's it's fine.
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:49.600
Maybe in the next round, I'll we'll talk about the Tommy James mob war story.
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:50.560
Sure.
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:53.279
And we'll um we'll try Mike again.
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:56.000
I really want to know about Gross Point, Michigan.
01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:56.399
Yeah.
01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:56.800
Yeah.
01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:06.079
Maybe, maybe he'll maybe he'll I don't know, be a decent friend and listen to the podcasts and hear that that could have been a great segment about Gross Point.
01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:17.279
You know, that could have I'm sure the mayor of Gross Point would have appreciated a little segment on a podcast talking about their great city and one of their greatest exports, Greg Alexander.
01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:17.920
Okay.
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:24.079
Well, everyone, you know, you can vote on Instagram in the stories.
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.520
Our handle is at JacticalMagic.
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:39.680
You can vote there, and then if you call us and leave us a voicemail, well, one, you'll be safe from us reaching out, and we will mask our phone numbers.
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:42.800
So we'll make it look like it's your mom.
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:43.279
Right.
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:52.560
Oh, so if you leave a voicemail with which song you think has the most Jack FM vibes, we will count that as an extra vote.
01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:58.560
That has been the crucial tipping point for a few songs.
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.640
And yeah, and then try to leave us a voice veil.
01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:03.520
All right.
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:07.520
Well, I've been I've been working on this melody pop all day.
01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:07.920
Yeah.
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:14.399
Listeners, Amelia has been really lipping the hell out of this melody pop the entire episode.
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:16.399
Makes me wish that I had one.
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:18.880
I I don't think I've ever had a melody pop in my life.
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.600
The green, the sour apple is the best.
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:26.079
We have we have green apple, we have watermelon, and blue raspberry.
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.000
I don't like blue raspberry at all.
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.279
Okay, so we'll be saving those for the bits at end.
01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:40.399
But so that if we're bringing up melody pops, that means we're on to talk about next week's matchup, our 14th matchup of the bracket.
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:44.239
We have Queen slash David Bowie under pressure.
01:33:55.279 --> 01:34:01.359
That hit okay, I shouldn't I shouldn't let's suck on these for two hours.
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:05.039
Because that hit that's gonna damage your ears.
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:06.000
I'm sorry.
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:10.720
Yeah, that definitely some some new uh frequencies on that one.
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:14.479
Uh versus Aerosmith living on the edge.
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:23.680
I don't know.
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:32.479
I like when at first I have no clue where we are in the song, but then something happens where the phrasing is perfect and I'm right there with you.
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:37.760
Okay, you gotta fucking admit that Moni Moni last week was perfect.
01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:40.000
Yeah, the Moni Moni one was really good.
01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:42.000
That was the best one I've ever done.
01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:43.840
This is great for podcasting.
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:45.840
Just chopping on a melody pop.
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.239
Yeah, now I'm now I'm just biting it.
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:52.640
I guess I love every version of Moni Moni, including my own.
01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:54.079
Yeah, look at that.
01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:58.239
Maybe that's a goal for this week to find there's gotta be a bad version out there.
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.920
Find the worst version of money money and expose it.
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:03.119
Expose it?
01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:03.600
Yeah.
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:04.079
Okay.
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:08.960
Maybe that's a Patreon sub podcast, a sub bracket of money monies.
01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:10.720
Money money money.
01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:15.760
So, yeah, so go vote on our Instagram at TacticalMagic, all one word.
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:21.920
I don't think Amelia gave the phone number, but it's 424 666 1711.
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.800
Until next week, I'm Cooper Willis.
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:26.239
I'm Amelia Skinell.
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:30.239
And this has been Tactical Magic.
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:30.880
Bye.
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:31.840
Bye.