Chico Bean Finally Explains What’s Wrong With Martin Lawrence + Why Jess Hilarious Called Him Gay

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Speaker 1: When you hear people question Martin's cognitive ability, and you've been on stage with him, been on some shows with him, what's your response to that.
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Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm in God's half a man.
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Speaker 3: Say he ain't had no stroke, he had no money, right, but you know everybody is a doctor on Google and on on Instagram and all that. You could tell that. You know he's changed, you know what I'm saying. But when you think about the change that comes from being a megastar to going through all the things that he's gone through.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that just calmed down right online. I've seen you and just hilarious. Was almost centerized.
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Speaker 3: Was when I went on the Breakfast Club. She talked about when she was trying to get with me.
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Speaker 2: You know, I tried to throw.
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Speaker 4: Some game on him, but he was like, oh, don't you have a boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: I don't play them games.
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Speaker 3: Try to kill you about that puzzy, But she was like you, he said, I had to be gay because I ain't want to her.
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Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, what's your take on his last Specially?
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it because he reminded people of who he was and like I am.
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Speaker 2: The most talented human ever.
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Speaker 4: And if you ain't talking no dought, then I ain't interested. Look, they say, this guy's the limb, and I'm going farther than that. She get doing on my phone, so I called her mama, come and get your daughter back. They just want a little better than get them boys.
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Speaker 2: Wack or what back? Little one?
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Speaker 4: And I bush your brain but get a hard act. They said, the guy's a limb. I'm going father all you can try to but can't kill ummi bad. I just bought it in life, as in did it side? Come Hi?
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Speaker 2: About that order you leave? The reason you broke?
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Speaker 4: You don't know how to.
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Speaker 2: Stress?
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Speaker 4: Red rum red comes out? You know. I'm thinking to the footage as because he never felt want to stick on to the wildness and nail comes round das trying to nail something.
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Speaker 2: For me.
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Speaker 3: I don't with people like that, like on a personal life, like I embraced.
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Speaker 2: People that know me and all that hey is love.
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Speaker 3: But man, I haven't been through too much like nah, you know what I'm saying. I ain't. I don't got to kick it. I ain't got to be around. I'm very self sufficient and self contained. So when I'm able to sit down and just chop it up. Man, that's valuable because this builds character and the energy that you build and what I know, we're giving people from being able to sit down and there's somebody who's trying to figure out how to do this, don't know how and don't know how to have them conversations or talk through things.
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Speaker 2: And this is an example.
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Speaker 3: Even if they watch this and mimic it to a te right, you're gonna be able to get something of how to move forward in regards to what you're doing on a day to day basis to help elevate yourself and not value that.
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Speaker 2: Man too main I.
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Speaker 3: Mean too, the feeling is one hundred percent mutual. Let's but let's get back to the to the the.
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Speaker 1: Standard specially Yeah, Kevin Hard, I'm sorry in Vegas.
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Speaker 2: I shot it in Vegas at the Comrade Hotel. It was beautiful.
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Speaker 3: It's thirty minutes and it was just something that I did just to, you know, just to do Like I don't have the same mentality that a lot of people had. You gotta do this, you gotta do it this way. I'm doing what I want to do, and whatever comes from me doing it that way is for me and whatever, don't don't, But this was just something that was cool to do.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I got a lot of a whole lot of respect and admiration for keV, not just as entertainer, as a businessman, and he always showed us love. So you know, I just went in there and it's dope, you know what I mean. It's clean. I mean, not clean as far as language, but it's clean as thirty. Is just me showing, you know, giving people a glint that might not know me from you know, because it's still people that think I'm a rapper, right, you know what I mean, because they only know me for what Yeah, you never know, you know what I'm saying. So it's just another aspect to reintroduce myself to people, and that's something that I've been blessed to be able to do over and over again in my career thus far. That's why I always feel like I'm a new guy, even though i'dn't been around for a while, because people see me and they get enamoured with the fact that I'm able to do all the things that I do whenever they come in contact with it. So I'm always excited about reintroducing myself to people, and this is just another way that that's gonna happen. And that's one of the things that I always say about not answering the question of where you see yourself in five years and all of that, because if somebody would have asked me that when I was an open micer at the Comedy Zone in Greensboro, to tell me where I seen myself in five years, I wouldn't have named half of the shit that I did already, right, and that was damn it twenty years ago down, so you know for me, so over, yeah, it much more than you could imagine, more than I could imagine. So I never want to limit myself to what I can imagine in regards to what I'm doing, Like I have a plan in regards to myself to get up every day and be great and challenge myself to be a better version of myself every single day.
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Speaker 2: I do that every day.
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Speaker 3: But as far as what it looks like, whatever it looks like, right, you know what I mean, Because I'm gonna show up every time and be the best version of myself that I can possibly be, no matter what the scenario or a situation, whether I'm showing up to sit with my loon, or I'm showing up to talk in front of ten thousand people. I'm showing up to talk to one young boy about going through whatever he going.
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Speaker 2: Through in the city. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Whatever, I'm showing up as the best version of myself that I can show up as and as long as I do that, everything is gonna work itself.
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Speaker 2: Do you think show all these written jokes? Did you crowd work? Oh? Nah, yeah, I did it all. You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: It's just this is material you know that I know ain't nobody seen, you know. But that's the thing I'm constantly working. Like every show is different with me because I'm talking about something that's going on or something that happened that I seen in your city, or something that I got going on, or the changes that I didn't went through.
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Speaker 2: So nothing is the same.
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Speaker 3: So it was easy for me to go up and do thirty like I did so well that they damned that asked me to come do another one right then, and I almost did it, but I ain't have another shirt. So and it's on Huluh, It's gonna be on Hulu seven eleven.
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Speaker 2: Check that out. We definitely checked that out as a community.
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Speaker 3: To gonna be something to watch and something to enjoy, you know, get your laugh on and all that. But you know, like I said, even the stage play, doing that, that was something that I got to reintroduce myself to people. People came and was like, I had no idea who you were before the night. My daughter knew you, but I am a fan. I love what you did, and this is something that they have no idea none of the other stuff that I've done, but seeing me in this light is their first perspective of me.
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Speaker 2: What the what the stage play?
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Speaker 1: How do you think that that all of the do you think that all of the practice that you do with live shows?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, without question, because a lot of the improvisational stuff that happened in the show was them trusting me and being able to see that, oh, he really do this and I can still stay on script while also in certain different ass specially when it was and I was able to see my influence in every arena because showing up in an arena that you've never been in before. This was my first major stage play. I've done plays before, but this was major. You know, this toward the country so being able to see that I can show up to any arena and not just perform at a high level, but have influence in whatever environment I show up in. That's something that I value because I didn't necessarily go into it thinking that I was going to be able to do that. I went into it solely wanted to learn, solely just wanting to pick up the game, get the game as much game as I can get, just whatever. But through me doing that and showing that I embraced the process, I was able to influence the whole play and not just on stage, but on stage too. How I impacted the cast and how I was able to, you know, insert myself into you know, people who are all my elders, you know what I'm saying. I was the baby of the cats, you know what I'm saying, but being able to show my influence and show love in ways that they weren't used to, you know, and seeing somebody come in and be able to, you know, have dialogue and conversation like it was crazy Mother's Day. We had to show in Saint Louis, and you know, I was cool. I was all the way cool until I got into the venue. And then that just hit me now, win my grint, my dressing room and me and Flex was sharing a dressing room, and that just closed the door and embrace me.
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Speaker 2: Man, I got you. You you good, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: And and but before that, he had a situation where he was going through something with his child and I was there and I did the same thing for him prior. So being able to do that and have those type of interactions with people that you know, have more life.
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Speaker 2: Experience than you have been through, more than you have.
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Speaker 3: As far as the days that they've been here, but still be able to connect on a level equally in that regard. And I was like this here holding me one on one. I'm here being held by Michael Jackson. But we was able to laugh about that. But just those type of interactions and chopping it up and wanting to be around and you know, I didn't talking about one on one conversations with guys that I grew up Washington. Being able to influence in my own way and having influence on people who don't have to take any from me. It's something that I was able to learn and value in that space too. So I saw my value in a way that I was never able to see it and doing it.
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Speaker 2: That's dope. That's dope.
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Speaker 3: What do you who is your top five comics? Top five right now? Legends? Let's yeah, let's do Martin. You always had an affinity for Martin.
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Speaker 2: Let's always be.
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Speaker 1: Beyond my guy, man, Martin, what do you before we go to that? What do you think about new stand up? Do you think that?
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Speaker 3: I bet I did shows with him for real? You could tell that, you know what I mean? He still got it, Like you know, he's older though, you know what I'm saying, and a lot of people don't respect transition. He can't be running around on stage like you so crazy, Martin, no more so if you want to get that, you should watch you so crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like you got to let him be who he is in his life at this point, and that's what he's talking about. So I appreciated watching it, but he still got that or like they did a montage of everything that he's done and you could forget who this is, you know what I'm saying, And it's like damn, I mean I'm talking about from the way that it was fly and this everything.
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Speaker 2: And he had a back in the day or was on a hundred.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just like being able to meet him at the time that I met him, and being able to still have that perspective of him in watching and getting that and knowing him the way I know him now, because you never know if you'd met him at that point, if it had been the same thing. So I feel blessing the game with that. But uh, I say, Martin, and this is just the this is the political top five, Martin, Eddie Dave.
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Speaker 2: I gotta throw.
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Speaker 3: Jamie in there, man, Jamie Fox. He's the most talented ever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then but is he up there with those guys with jokes though?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think so across the board if you I'm doing it like this politically across the board, totally across the board. And then rich Richard Pride, Ye, rich Richard Pride just because and he was doing it in the blue print.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. But personally quake earthquake. You always said quake as well. Uh.
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Speaker 3: Patrise O'Neill, bad boy, unapologetic, Patrisea O'Neill, Cory Cory Hoakum Corey another bad man.
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Speaker 2: D Ray.
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Speaker 3: I gotta get up on d ray derayl Beast is it personally de rayl B? I mean, I mean, just a monster on stage and one of the biggest. He motivated me so much, man, like you know, giving me like it's a real big bro to me, Mike, and this is gonna be more than five.
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Speaker 2: This is my personal favorite, Mike. Mike, Yeah, shut out me. What was it touring like with him?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Jesus, man, he's one of the coolestness in the world. Man, real like a real right like across the board, like you can chop it up with him, and he's gonna keep it real with you.
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Speaker 2: And he standing. You know.
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Speaker 3: One of his partners is dudes. That dude that roll with a man is one of the coolest dudes in the world.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: He always called me and showed me the type of these dudes is they're gonna call you and chop it up, which is say what's up and just check in.
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Speaker 2: On you and all that d l love d l uh. Who else?
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Speaker 3: Man, it's so many man, The Veil Crawford, The Veil Crawford one of then listen, man like he make you laugh and hurts you man.
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Speaker 2: A cat of course, and of course Kevin.
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Speaker 3: You know keV. We gotta respect all the things that keV has done.
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Speaker 2: Just what about Steve? Steve?
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Speaker 3: Steve, and Steve is an enigma to me? Steve is like his performance his stage. Ste know, Steve is an enigma because you be around him and you see the this, and he a real too. But the fact that the thing about Steve is he a real but the fact that he's been able to position himself to be all of these different places while still being a.
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Speaker 2: Real It's like, how do you do that?
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Speaker 3: That's what I watched Steve for because it's like family feud and and all of these different things that the talk show hosts, but you.
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Speaker 2: Get around him and nobody doing that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like saying, you know what I'm saying. So it's just like that's the thing about naming people. Man, so many people that I got loved for because I feel like i'dn't been blessing the game, like all the OG's Doval, I can't forget Duval, Eive a little Duval and like Ball don't get the credit he deserved, Like Douvall is man. Like if you look at the trajectory of how long he hadn't been doing it and how much, how many trends he didn't set. Man, he's the first on social media for real, Like he's the first one to really blend the music with the comedy, independent like of just talking about another person song, but taking a song and putting his own words and making up his own his own version of remake spoofing.
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Speaker 2: But it was really good.
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Speaker 3: Song was great songs. Being a presence in the hip hop community and being signed to a record Hustlegang, all of that, like being in the videos you look back into the early two thousands, this was in there right and being from the streets to being a staple in this community in Jacksonville. You go through Jacksonville with Duval Man. They love that down there, he outside amongst the people. And that's something that I value because that's something that I've always been and always do and that's one of the only people that I see still get to do it at that level, being as successful as he is to still be. I and stilled in front of his shop with him and just chopped it up for hours and then pulled up on him in different places in Jacksonville, and he just amongst the people. And they showing him love because he really from where you're from, and he never turned his back on his people in a way that is genuine, because you can say you never turn your back on your people, but just show up and just hand out turkeys and standing on top of the truck and take.
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Speaker 2: Pictures with your jewelry on.
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Speaker 3: Ninety security guards standing around, so can't nobody touch you.
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Speaker 2: Nah, we amongst the people when you would du vas.
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Speaker 3: So there's so many man dudes that's in this game that I didn't been blessing the game because coming in on wild'n Out, like all of these was our OG's Corey and all them was they was veterans when we was rooking. Yeah, but they embraced me, you know, they showed me love and gave me game. Corey was the first person to take me on the road and pay me, put me on a plane to do a comedy show. I need to get Corey, gotta get caught, o g I love that dude, and he always showed me love and always kept it real with me, and always, you know, was somebody who didn't allow Once we started to grow and get the notoriety and start to become them guys that they were at one point, never was hating, never did no sucker, never said no backwards. Whatever he's gonna say about, you're gonna say to you big your muscle brain, that is yeah. So you know, I'm have to get you to.
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Speaker 1: Make a connection. Man, when he come down, I got. I definitely want to see a good, good guy man.
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Speaker 3: I said that, and he unapologetic and respect love that. That's what that's what makes the comedy, you know what it is. You know what I'm saying. And I'm just thinking about guys that you know, all of the guys that came in that first generation a while'n out the Apions and all the guys that was there before, they all embraced me, man, and they all showed me love.
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Speaker 2: And when that's kind of different from man rap rap.
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Speaker 3: No no, no, no no, because that's not everybody's store. Everybody's store. That's why I say I feel like I've been Yeah, everybody that I've met, it's been loved, and that ain't everybody's story. And I've actually seen a lot of the guys not show love. So the fact that that's not my reality, I got.
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Speaker 1: You also got to point it out too, like, yo, man, this is what I've been through.
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Speaker 3: It I can't you know, I can't speak for nobody else's experience, but these guys have. All of the guys have shown me love and when they you know, and they and it wasn't just based on being cool. And they always like, let me see what you got. And I didn't have to show like, oh no I am yeah, yeah, yeah. They respect that on top of who I am. Off the stage, it was like, oh yeah, I can with you. I can you know, be around you, and I can let him come to my house. I can be because I know this man ain't gonna take nothing from I ain't got to worry about nobody running up in here after he leave. And you know what I mean, he got his own motion, he got his own he's stand alone. He ain't trying to be around nobody. Like you can watch me and the way I move, I move the same way everywhere as consistency.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: When it comes to me, you can you know, you can set your watch to how I'm going to operate. A lot of dudes recognize that. And it's red in this game because you know, you meet it and he show up somebody totally different the next time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't appreciate that or respect it. When when you hear when you hear people question Martin's cognitive ability and you've been on stage with him, been on some shows with him, what's your response to that.
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Speaker 3: I always wonder what they thought of his cognitive ability before. Now, Like, what did you see in him that makes you think that he's so I think what there was the motion and the way that he talks is just you could tell that you know, he's changed, you know I'm saying, But when you think about the change that comes from being a megastar to going through all of the things that he's gone through, I mean, I just think the nigga just calmed down.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I can't, you know.
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Speaker 3: And I haven't had any personal conversations with him about whether or not he had anything cognitive go on, right, but we all know what he went through from watching the Journey he talked about it. Yeah, I mean the passing out and the going.
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Speaker 2: Through that a lot. That was a lot to go through.
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Speaker 3: So whatever he was dealing with at that time probably made him realize that, man, I need to slow down, and I just think he's embraced whatever that means to him. Because the conversations that we've had, I can tell that he's he was a different person back then. And then having conversations with people who are around him back then, they say he was a different person back then, so you could just tell that.
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Speaker 2: I just think that he just he just slowed down. Man.
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Speaker 3: I think he was moving real fast at one time, and you know, he was on top of the words on he was moving after at the movie. So you know, I just think that he slowed down.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: I think that God put his hand on him. It was like, hey, niggas, slow down. And I think that's what we're watching. I think we watching him embrace another half of his life. But I'm gonna take him at his word, you know what I mean. If a man say he ain't had no stroke, he ain't had no stroke. So who am I to say, yes you did because you talk slower that you used to talk. But you know, everybody is a doctor on Google and on the on Instagram and all that. But being around him and having dialogue with him, I can see that, you know, he just man, he slowed down and been through a lot. Man, I went to his house for the first time and sat with him, and God rest his soul. The dude that played Nipsey on the show, and it was his best friend. And you looked around and all of the dudes that were around him back then was still around him now. And that counts to me that when I see that, it's like, Okay, that means regardless of what you were to the people that came in to your circumference, the people that were around your people something that meant something, they still around you. So that means that that whatever that happened to him or whatever he went through, they knew it wasn't him and they stayed around and helped him through that.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I think it is.
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Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, people are quick to judge when you when they've been able to watch you for thirty plus years and you change in front of him. I just think that he slowed down. He slowed his life down, and you get high down too. He smoked weeds, like you said, dodgy and all that. But you know, we all know what he went through. We all saw what he went through. You know what I'm saying. He's discussed what he went through. But you know, he just he just slow that. He just slowed down.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 3: I think when you slow down as a black man, and people used to you moving around as much as he did, the nigga was you got to think about the speed and which he operated with. This man with eight different people on his own show that we all respect is their own individual characters. Oh my god, Mike Mama is Martin Mama. Dragonfly Jones is Dragonfly Jones. You know, Oldest is oldest, Roscoe is Roscoe, these are there. Oh this is him though, So you think about how much he moved and how much he did and how much of all of the different people that he had to be in one person and then to go and to do the movies and to do the stand up and to be the host of Death Jam and do all these different things.
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Speaker 2: That nigga was moving like a and he covered a lot of ground. He slowed that. I just think he slowed down. Man.
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Speaker 3: I think it's hard to you know, because everybody still watch Martin. Everybody still watching Martin. So you're watching that and you're thinking, like, I want to see the old man, but he not.
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Speaker 2: He the old Martin.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes that's you know what I'm saying, the old Martin now, so you you can't.
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Speaker 2: If you want to see the.
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Speaker 3: Old Martin, go see the old Martin still out here, you know what i mean. But watching that, you're doing yourself a dessert something. It's like if Jordan, you know what I'm saying, If you put Jordan on the court right now, that nigga not gonna look like the nigga that wore them twelve.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But that's sometimes that's the that's the the detriment of being so historic, it's such a legend. It's that they take that safe chance.
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Speaker 3: You comparing them to his older self, You're not comparing them to what he's doing now. You only can compare somebody that's been that great to their own greatness.
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Speaker 2: That's just that's the gift and the curse of.
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Speaker 3: Being great, you know what i mean, Like, people are only gonna compare you to what you did before.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of Jordan, he just had a thing that he had a video that actually went viral, And the reason it went viral is because he was playing golf. He swung and kind of stumbled and people was like, oh man, Jordan's stumbled. Yeah, they don't even expect a sixty year old.
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Speaker 3: Man be off balance, you know what I'm saying. But that's just that's that's their greatness. Yeah, but that would would greats. And usually what a lot of people don't talk about when it comes to being great is usually people love to see great marks fail, do they. It's just inevitable. People love to sup to tell you to fall. It's just because they've never experienced greatness. And they say, oh, welcome back to the mediomy that I operate in, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: So I just look at it like that, like and being around him.
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Speaker 3: If I hadn't been around him, then I probably wouldn't be I don't think I would be able to say that I didn't think anything was wrong or that that happened, because I would only be comparing it to what I see like everybody else. But I've been in this man's presence, I've been around him, I've spoke to him, I've been to his home, and it just slowed down.
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Speaker 2: Man, that's all. He just man like.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: You know, I ain't moving.
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Speaker 3: Like I used to move, No more moving like I used to move and had me going through all that shit I went through, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And from a joke writing perspective, is he still dropped? Well, I don't want to put you in that position, but from a joke writing perspective, has he slowed down?
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Speaker 2: And that still hilarious? Man?
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Speaker 3: You go see him me still he's just in a different pocket now, you know what I'm saying. He ain't running around, but it ain't that that's what you're looking to see. That's not what but he's going to. But the good part about it is he addresses it. And that's all you can ask for, is the addressing of whatever it is that every the elephant in the room.
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Speaker 2: He addresses. He don't run from it. Can black comics evolve or do they do? They kind of make out to be.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be able to evolve, But it's kind of difficult to evolve when you've been that many people in front of us likes, not all of.
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Speaker 2: Them, but the next one, you know.
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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, The next we devalue proud exactly, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: So it's very difficult to do that.
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Speaker 3: And in certain senses, you know what I'm saying. When it comes to somebody who has been Mount Rushmore. Gris why Eddie probably ain't that did another stand up special yet.
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Speaker 2: No matter how good it is, how.
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Speaker 3: Good everybody is going now and now, all of the ways that you can critique, see, that's our generation.
00:26:07
Speaker 2: We used to the critique these things, used to the critique, you know what I mean? They don't know, like yeah, but when.
00:26:13
Speaker 3: You that's what I applaud Martin for because he's getting out there and he's facing it, you know, they asking him about it on the Breakfast Club and he's talking about it and seeing all the comments that people saying, man, stop playing. You know you had a goddamn sure, you know something wrong with you, you know, and having to deal with that and see that and still be able to function when you come from a time where that didn't exist, all that should let you know that cognitively, he's still there, and they wrong mind definitely shut him down like that shut him down if he was fragile, if his mindset was fragile dealing with this new age.
00:26:47
Speaker 2: I'm not coming out here. I'm done.
00:26:48
Speaker 3: I don't got to, and I'm reaching all of these things. I'm richer than Yeah, I got more money than I don't have to be out here. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I'm still operating on the level of where I understand it. I still got something to offer. And I think that he appreciates the game and understands it so much and loves it so much that if he really didn't have anything to offer, he wouldn't be out here cheating nobody.
00:27:12
Speaker 2: And he not. You know what I'm saying.
00:27:13
Speaker 3: We watched I sat and watched him and on this particular tour, and this was my first time seeing him do stand up because the last to the first time I work with him, he just MC he hosted. This is my first time seeing him to an hour set and I'm like, oh man, just he hilarious. Were still laughing. He funny as a mother, and he's talking about all the things that were wondering if he's gonna say something about he come out on the stage and you know what I mean.
00:27:40
Speaker 2: This looked like that.
00:27:43
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I wouldn't you literally wouldn't be able to do that if that was my reality. I'm just a different man. I got a belly now, I'm a grandfather. Still want me to goddamn be Dragonfly Jones let That's what I'm talking about. That that divide to where we don't leave the space open for our people to evolve and show up old in front of us, and we still take them at what they what it is they do. I still can say, baby, and in a sense, but I'm not gonna be able to come out here and run around and do all this that I do.
00:28:16
Speaker 2: But I gave it to you.
00:28:17
Speaker 3: All right, it's there for you that you still enjoy it. Let me let me give you something different, let me still be the person that you love.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: And that's why I asked, do you think you got They kind of try to stick you in that box whatever they love you, ass No, the same way we do with characters like Tarik's son on Power or goos Son on Power to Reiku. People gonna call him to re Yeah, they don't give a damn what role.
00:28:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just that's you know, when you do something so good, that's kind of like that's part of part of it. But you know, but like I said, that's why I pride myself on being able to reintroduce myself and do things that people don't expect you to do and see you in a different light. Because cause you know, eventually it's all going to be encompassed in whatever your legacy is. And more that you do, the more people are gonna be able to see you do things in a different light. And I just think that, you know, when you do it in the time before social media, where people weren't connected as much as we connected now, it had a different aura to it.
00:29:21
Speaker 2: Like back then when it was in a movie. In a movie when.
00:29:26
Speaker 3: It had a stand up, specially you had a stand up, specially when it had an album. He had an album, you had to go to Tower Records and stand in line and purchase this CD and wait till you got to where you was at, or if you ain't have a walk man, get in your car and bust the plastic open and read the book and put the CD in it, listen to it and live with it.
00:29:47
Speaker 2: Now you know what I mean.
00:29:50
Speaker 1: So instant gratification.
00:29:52
Speaker 2: It's instant gratification.
00:29:54
Speaker 3: So the people that come from that era, in my opinion, they're always he's going to have a rough time being able to readjust to the gratification because now I'm sure that were people who can't stand Martin back.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Then, but we didn't know who they was.
00:30:15
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna know exactly who a lot of gonna galvanize all of the other people who feel that way or just want to be a part of something, gonna act like they feel that way to try to get your attention. That's another part of it they didn't have to deal with, is the troll. Yeah, because a lot of people really still thank you funny.
00:30:33
Speaker 2: But it's funny. Yeah, it's funny.
00:30:37
Speaker 3: It's funny to get in the comments and hope that you respond and and and engage with you, because that's how close we are to celebrity. I said this to Martin the first time we met. I was like, man, that's crazy. You made me feel like I didn't need to take a picture with you.
00:30:53
Speaker 2: Thank you. You know what I'm saying.
00:30:55
Speaker 3: That's how personal, that's how personable you. He was with me, Like, man, I I don't even need to ask you for no picture. I know I'm gonna see you right like. That is something that I still appreciate because I know that the distance between what you were to me when I was boy a world, the way a whole world, the way inside that box was another world. Now, man, people that love Chico Bean man, just hey.
00:31:25
Speaker 2: You yeah as yeah, yeah, yeah, hoping you yeah, act like you had to just say the most outlandish to you and then you respond, now, bro, I'm a fan of your work.
00:31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I just want to get that to me, do that to you that that's just the way to get your attention. I hadn't apologize to it today. For I can't say that I wouldn't have did that. If I'd have known it that would have got persons that I iverson's attention back in the day. I can't say that I wouldn't have did that as a kid or as a teenager. But or I can't say that I wouldn't have asked it for fifty thousand dollars. Ever, I'm might have been like, hey, let me get fifty thousand slim for about whatever. You know what I'm saying. I can't be mad at that. That's just the way the world is now. You gotta understand the change, Yes, what for people? That in my opinion, for people, man, the people that gave us the blueprint to make us want to be entertainers or to make us enjoy entertainment the way that we do. Man, open your mind and let them people show up if they still are giving you a quality show or they giving you a quality product, Embrace it, man, don't turn your back on them because they're old or because they you know, don't do it the same way you fell in love with him for doing it, you know what I'm saying, Like, just because ron Osley sitting down singing now, don't mean that you he ain't stand up, And so what was the song that he's still singing the song the same way Smokey Robinson moving across the stage slow the eighty He been doing this for sixty years.
00:32:56
Speaker 2: You gotta appreciate the fact that this is still able to do a little something that would be Yeah, you got to you know what I'm saying. What about what's your take another comedian who we grew up on, Jamie Fox, what's your take on his last special?
00:33:15
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it because it was just a real He reminded people of who he was, and I think that he needed to do that. That's what I felt like, That's what that felt like, That's what he wanted to do. But like he just reminded people like I am one, if not the most talented human ever. Yes, Like literally, when you think about all that Jamie acting singing. I'm talking about comedian, comedian, every cruist everything. I saw a clip of this. I saw a clip of this hosting a tribute to Stevie Wonder and this was from like two thousand. Man, if you look this clip up, man and uh uh what's my man name from? From Great Britain, I'm having the brain fall loom the white dude, Uh rocket man, you don't know what I'm talking.
00:34:11
Speaker 2: Elton John, Elton, Elton John. Yeah, we both was having. Elton John had.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: Did a tribute to Stevie Wonder and he said something. She was like, Steve Yeah, yeah, and this Jamie star mocking this Stevee. I guess that's what they meant when you when they say you put some stink on it, Stevelle, Lili you Stevelle. It was like, that's what you got to say when you see it, Stevee. And it was just like that natural and you saw that. The CEO of BT at the time, Bob Johnson, was just looking like, you know, you're not ever getting out yeh yeah. But that natural ability to be able to do that and think about this has platinum albums with an s on it multiple stand up specials, an Oscar. We're playing one of the most iconic musicians ever, Willie Beaman the Jamie Fox Show.
00:35:12
Speaker 2: This man, it's like the different man.
00:35:15
Speaker 3: He a different monster, and I think coming back from whatever he went through, he probably wanted to avoid what Martin just waved off for a long time before he jumped back out there and letting people see, hey, I'm still me.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: I still got it.
00:35:31
Speaker 3: And if you know, you gotta go see Martin to see that he's still now if you're looking for that, and that's what I'm saying, Jamie ain't the Jamie from the Jamie Fox Show.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: He was real.
00:35:41
Speaker 3: You know, he's still able to do it, but he ain't moving around like he was moving around back then, you know what I'm saying. And he ain't get it all the way on the piano and you know what I mean, like doing six different things on one show. But he ain't me in living color like this like Wanda, all these different things that he's done. Man, man, it's like, this is literally one of the most talented people ever. And I think that that was just a reminder of what he was and if you look, if you were looking for this, you know, gut busting laughter and all. If you feel like you didn't get that, I can understand that because that's what you used to getting. But hey, I just came out of coma. You know what I'm saying, almost died. Give me a chance to get back release. I got this to you. Ungrateful to them. Man, this is terrible to tell you a chance you didn't die on it.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: Don't be funny. I he laughed at my stomach, Curt.
00:36:40
Speaker 3: Man with my phone at this corneous man should have went ahead and all the way died for this.
00:36:49
Speaker 2: It's just like.
00:36:51
Speaker 1: Now I want to I also want to get your opinion on. Of course, like we said, Chappelle is one of the goats.
00:37:00
Speaker 2: What's his name?
00:37:01
Speaker 1: Jared Carmike Rock, Gerard Carmichael, I know Gerard said that.
00:37:08
Speaker 2: He said that.
00:37:09
Speaker 1: He came out and said, Dave Chappelle's legacy might end up being just a long argument about trans jokes.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: And since then they've been I guess, going back and forth. He says, Dave Chappelle's legacy is a bunch of opinions about trans That's a crazy thing to say about a living legend. But then Chappelle claps back and calls Girard an ego maniac. Yeah, so they have kind of have the culture split down the middle. Yeah you haven't. Have you heard of it? You haven't heard none of that.
00:37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was at the comedy store, And it was at the comedy Store in La where Gerard came out and said that I think he's came out.
00:37:52
Speaker 2: As its gay. Yeah for sure, I know. I know his brother. He from Winston where I went to school at Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
00:37:59
Speaker 3: But do you think something is out of line for Gerard to say something like that?
00:38:05
Speaker 2: You say whatever you want to say.
00:38:06
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of the business that we're in, and that's the beauty of comedy alternative perspective. If that's the way you feel, then I can understand that. And being a gay man, you know, you repping for your side. You know what I'm saying. I ain't mad at a nigga for repping for your side. I disagree with his assessment, though, how to they trans jokes like he ain't start doing that until like that wasn't even a thing when Dave was like killing him softly is one of the best stand up specials ever. Yes, it's not one trans joke in that special. So I just think that the you know, now that we've started to discuss these things more, now you got more people coming out with their opinions about it. But I totally disagree with his assessment on that being Dave's legacy.
00:38:51
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
00:38:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, now he said that, and he also do you think Chappelle is still moving the needle with his.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Cor question out question?
00:39:00
Speaker 3: Because whenever he come out and say something, people talk about it. You know what I'm saying, No matter what it is that he's talking about it, he's always going to be able to give social commentary in a way that it's going to move the needle. Yeah, you know what I'm saying in some way, shape or form, you know, whether it be on a Saturday Night live monologue or on his own stand up specials or you know, it's just certain things that he's able to talk about in a perspective that people want to hear. And it's it's across the board. It's not just black, it's not just white. We both want to tune in. As you know, America has that it's been able to do that because you have somebody like dal who is very, very big in a political space. But you know what I mean, it's more catered towards what we feel and what we think. And you know the other side is really beefing with him because of his perspective. They'll beef with Dave, but they want him to come over and say.
00:39:56
Speaker 2: We're gonna beef with you.
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00:41:55
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the show.
00:41:58
Speaker 1: Dave did have a couple of years where to try thing was the thing because they will push. Are you ever scared to breach certain topics in common?
00:42:07
Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm also not going to force myself to talk about I don't give a about either.
00:42:12
Speaker 1: Now, if you receive backlash, do you do you feel a responsibility to take that on stage on your next set to clarify your position or address I mean no, unless it's something that if I hurt somebody that I care about and they think I'm being malicious, then yeah.
00:42:27
Speaker 2: But outside of that, no, not at all.
00:42:29
Speaker 3: Like you gotta understand, I received backlash from a lot of shit I done said, you know what I'm saying, Like from people that you don't want, no backlash from. Like man, you remember when I first went on the Breakfast Club talking about relationships black women was kicking my ass. WHA, Yeah, it was bad, but I am I welcome that because that's really how I feel. So I welcome the conversation, and I welcome you having a conversation with a nigga you think don't think like me and seeing how he address it. But no, but that's the thing that I thing helps me. I'm not going to force myself to talk about nothing that because it's topical, is popular right now.
00:43:06
Speaker 2: I'm not.
00:43:07
Speaker 3: I don't give a I don't care who you choose to stick your dig in or if you still got one or you don't.
00:43:12
Speaker 2: It's your business. I don't care.
00:43:14
Speaker 3: Don't move me. You know what I'm saying. I'm not offended. You know what I'm saying. I'm not offended. I'm not a person that is, you know, bothered by whatever you choose to do.
00:43:24
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
00:43:25
Speaker 3: Now, if somebody was to cost me in a way that I feel uncomfortable with, and I would address that to that person. But I don't feel the need to. Hey, all you chicks with dicks and all that wild, Nah, that's not right. I think that saves me because I feel like if I forced myself to have dialogue about something because that's what's popular or that's what's popping to talk about, nah, I talk about the I want to talk about, and if I ever decided that's something I want to discuss, then I will, and.
00:43:52
Speaker 2: You was discuss it.
00:43:54
Speaker 3: Like the one thing they can't take from Chappelle is he discussed some of these things and he's well versed in the topic, so it's not something it doesn't feel like he's uninterested in what.
00:44:04
Speaker 2: He's speaking about.
00:44:05
Speaker 3: And that's the thing I would have to be, well, it would have to be something that is entertaining, not even entertaining that it's interesting to me, yes, for me to ever want to address it, because I'm not about to just start talking about some just because you know, everybody else feels like, oh it's it's the you know, the thing that's on the map, the calendar of the month for the year of what everybody's talking about.
00:44:29
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
00:44:30
Speaker 3: I've never been under the pressure to do I do what I want to do, and I think that's what makes me the comedian that I am. I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna say what I want to say. Now, I run the risk of offending somebody with everything that I say, but that's just the risk I'm willing to take. With the business that I'm in. But I know that I'm genuine in my sentiment and I'm not trying to be malicious. But if you don't like the way I feel about something that cool, just like it over there.
00:44:54
Speaker 2: Right.
00:44:54
Speaker 1: Also, with Gerard saying that about Shapille, I think it's interesting because you have some people saying, would he say that about a white comedian legend?
00:45:06
Speaker 2: Right?
00:45:06
Speaker 1: Because you have people like Bill Burr who will also have tooken up certain stance on like those commune without question that I'm not sure someone will smear and yeah, but he not gonna say that because you don't look up to Bill Burr the same way you look up to Dave Chappelle. That was trying to be Dave Chappelle in a lot of senses in regards to you know, the trajectory that he first came in the game, but that's what they would touting him as the next Chappelle. Okay, So if you come out as something that you feel like that person that you idolize, don't embrace let you die.
00:45:40
Speaker 2: It'll make you.
00:45:43
Speaker 3: Would taste in your off It'll be like you know what I'm saying, if you know, just taking it to sports, if you you know what I mean if you the young young star, up and coming college athlete and your favorite quarterback is, you know, Jalen Hurts, and you get to go to the game and you Jalen Man, you mind if I man get your goofast, so you eat shrimp whatever the thing. Yeah, and the moment you get to you know that start to have a bad season and throwing interceptions and you might be the man.
00:46:16
Speaker 2: Now.
00:46:17
Speaker 3: First thing you're gonna say, as well, you know, if he would have, you know, embrace shrimp, then maybe he would, you know, have a little bit better nutrition.
00:46:24
Speaker 2: And right, you know what I'm saying. I think that's what that is.
00:46:29
Speaker 3: I think it's all personal than anything, because that sounded personal to me because I think he knows that that's you're talking about Dave. Like, come on, Dave is prolific in his perspective. He's always been prolific in his perspective. Whether you agree with his perspective or not, you can't take away from the fact that he's prolific in his delivery and the things that he talks about on stage, like if you watch killing them softly, like his one of his first jokes is about d C and I remember being a young watching it. He was like white people used to look at d C from Virginia like Nope, not yet. And then he said, now you walk up to him, eye is wrong with you? Those days are over now, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, just that alone, that perception and perspective is real. And that was the beginning of gentrification for us. We were experiencing it. But his ability to be able to put that in joke for him, it's prolific to me.
00:47:26
Speaker 2: Type it in the real time.
00:47:27
Speaker 3: And then some that you know ain't real about a drug dealing baby and you know what I'm saying, all of those things from that special that you but that's prolific. And then you talking about the Chappelle Show. What well, Mom, come on, man, just mad because you feel like he's not embracing what you embrace.
00:47:48
Speaker 2: And that's okay. That you're right. You know.
00:47:51
Speaker 3: I will fight for everybody's right to say whatever they want to say. That's something that I was staying for. No matter what it is you want to say, I will fight for your right to see it. But the griants that's something different. You know what I mean, You have the right to say it. But you got to take will come with it. And I think that's just a personal thing that he got going on.
00:48:09
Speaker 2: Right.
00:48:10
Speaker 1: Also online, I seen you and Just Hilarious was almost in a relationship like that. What I seen you ain't seen nothing like that, said.
00:48:20
Speaker 3: You and Just Hilarious got into some kind of situation or his Windy Williams with that question, Loney Williams, that's your name for that question.
00:48:33
Speaker 2: I promise you I happened. Explain, Claric. What happened was when I went on the breakfast club.
00:48:40
Speaker 3: She talked about when she was trying to get with me, and I was I wasn't giving her no action because she had a man, and I don't play them games and try to kill you about that puzzy. Sure, I'm not, Nah, you gotta and she was still trying to throw it and I was like, get the so where you gotta do? And she was like, well, it's gay, you know what I'm saying. So that's the beef that gets said. She said you I had to be gay because I ain't want to with her what So that was the dialogue that we had. But you know what I'm saying, that was where that came from. But yeah, I don't play them type of games man like, and I'm you know, I treat my dick like I treat my Social Security number. I'm real selective. Everybody can't get you get to give it to the wrong your life. You know what I'm saying, You're through So when you got a man, I ain't playing them type of games because you think that whatever, you know what I'm saying, he show up and you never know, and I ain't willing to take that risk. It ain't worth it, no matter how good your pussy is, it ain't worth what I'm gonna have to do to this person or what he gonna try to do to me in order for me to get it. It's too many of them out here. And that's where that came from. But just my love, Jess Man, Jess was, you know, talking as we always do, like that's one of the people that you know as a peer that I respect. And then we got that DC Baltimore thing that we always go back and forth about. But that's what that was. Like, I wasn't going.
00:50:03
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. I don't. I don't want to be involved with that either.
00:50:08
Speaker 3: It's too high risk, too high rist nick can legally, damn Nick Kid, you better.
00:50:14
Speaker 2: And did say he wouldn't crazy like I was.
00:50:18
Speaker 3: And I'm saying playing like that, like get the one like you know what I'm saying, I'm being as far from tender, Like I don't give a fuck about none of that. I don't care who you, what, you what, as long as you got that under control. But once you say boyfriend and relationship, ain't no control, because that means that you've entered into an agreement of compromise. And what compromise means, in my opinion, is one party is agreeing not to be satisfied with the outcome. So whenever you're doing that, whenever you involve somebody else in that scenario, then that means that now the compromise that they have been making for you has been jeopardized by you going out and doing some other ship and usually ain't gonna take.
00:50:54
Speaker 2: It out on you.
00:50:54
Speaker 3: And even if he do take it out on you, I don't want the conscious. Are you coming up swollen and beat your ass and gave me some pussy?
00:51:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even want to be involved. Yeah, I don't want not. Noah, I'm good.
00:51:05
Speaker 3: I didn't seen it too many times, and I didn't been through it, and I didn't been in that used to and then went through that type of man, I didn't. I ain't never been there kind of just because of that and not on purpose though, like I was never seeking it out, but that just happened, and I hadne dealt with.
00:51:20
Speaker 2: Man.
00:51:21
Speaker 3: I don't even want to talk about none of this. I pride myself on not telling none of these stories on camera because I just think that that's ignorant personally. That's my personal vantage point of just telling war stories and going through all that all that shit. But I didn't been through some arounties out here, man, these had you you in the mix man for real bad I'm talking about Damn bad So and I. But I never blamed the woman. It's always our fault as the man. It's always some precaution that you didn't take as a man that put you in that predicament. It's always your fault. I never blamed the woman, you know what I'm saying, Because anytime even if she lied to you, man, that's your fault. You didn't do that, that's your faults lied to you. That means that you didn't do the proper protocol to be able to identify books in your life, or you put yourself in a position that mind you getting lied to it. You know, it's kind of shaky because you depending on what the lie is, you know what I'm saying. They don't got no man, like we saw trouble a house and come in and killed right. But to see that's the thing that right there is a little different because that might not have been a lie. That might not have been her man. He just might have been that was a jealous ass. But that's the risk you take and not being more inquisitive about the situation, you know what I'm saying. But those type of situations, we all run the risk of that and rest in peace of trouble. That was a situation where we all and took them. I know I didn't been in an apartment complex, but I don't do it no more. But I used to know we all didn't run the risk too with knocked on the door and try to come through the wind. I done been through all of that, and it's just like you know what I mean, it's us and when you're blessed enough to make it out of that situation with with your mind intact.
00:53:15
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
00:53:17
Speaker 3: You gotta know that, man, I gotta I gotta take better precaution as a man, because that woman is only you know, most of the time they looking for companionship and some dick that's worthy of the time that they spend giving the pussy to. So's if you providing that you always gonna be welcome, you know what I mean, or you ain't gonna worry about asking your way in like senters, they gonna welcome you, you know what I mean, especially if you a certain type of you're gonna get in there. So it's like you run it. But that's the thing, you still running the risk playing them game because you never know what a mark got going on. So that's why I always look at it from the perspective of being truthful. Like the moment I catch you with me, I don't care what it's about, I'm out of there because that means that it's probably a need that's believe in you on a whole another grandiose scale. And and I'm thinking, we just cool and we out around and come blow my brains out because I'm with you, and it's nothing that you you ain't gonna see it coming.
00:54:10
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy.
00:54:10
Speaker 1: And then it's like, you know, for his situation as where is like damn, just just imagine.
00:54:16
Speaker 2: You laid up with just broad you know, y'all laying down you look up, it's in him.
00:54:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's nothing you can do. And this is a well respectedness and it can and you God like that, so off off that, you know what I'm saying. So and it's like you can never come back from that. And it's sad because we as you know what I'm saying, the value that we have, it take us so long to recognize that value within ourselves.
00:54:46
Speaker 2: And know that man, I'm you know what I mean, I'm better than this.
00:54:49
Speaker 3: But then the thing is, there's a level of trust that you because there are certain women that I trust enough to go to your house.
00:54:55
Speaker 2: But I ain't got none of them yet. I mean no, it's a few of them.
00:54:58
Speaker 3: But these are women that you've been you know what we gotta build that you build it up for hisars for years, but still you never know, and that's the risk.
00:55:08
Speaker 2: You take, so might make a key to her.
00:55:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certain precautions that I always take if I'm gonna do that, but I gotta be I'm not doing I'm never doing it with the intended because I learned from situations like trouble or my own partners that have been done like that. I got a partner that God rest his soul, that got done the same way up in the apartment with something. They didn't left the key and he went up in there and was in there waiting on him.
00:55:36
Speaker 2: Damn over with you know what I'm saying.
00:55:39
Speaker 3: So if I'm gonna come to your house, and I'm gonna be at your house, then you know what I mean. It's a certain level of precaution that I'm taking and coming over there. And if you lying, I'm getting immediately. I don't care what it's about. You know what I'm saying. I didn't lying about all simple dump and that let me know that it's probably another that believe everything you say. And I know that I'm not pointing a conversation of reference, but I know I will be if you ever want to make this right, Yeah, let me remove myself.
00:56:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, for sure, I want to ask you a couple more things then we'll get out of here. So the US Department of Justice, along with thirty states and District Attorneys has filed an anti trust lawsuit against ticket Master and its parent company, Live Nation Entertainment.
00:56:28
Speaker 2: The suit of.
00:56:29
Speaker 3: Led US Secretary the US Department of Justice. Department of Justice.
00:56:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've stepped in with an anti trust lawsuit, and what they're legend is that they have monopolized practices that inflate ticket prices and burning fans with excessive fees. This legal action can have significant implications for comedians and live performers. I wanted to ask you, do you notice when you guys do those arenas. Do you guys know about the ticket Master fees? It's like it's what's called a junk fee.
00:57:01
Speaker 2: Junk fee.
00:57:01
Speaker 3: Now we don't we don't have control over none of that, and if we could, it would be you know, director consumer.
00:57:07
Speaker 2: But you get, you know, the middle man, That's what I'm saying.
00:57:09
Speaker 1: But it's a burden on your fans, like because you would be like, we'll do it for thirty dollars and then they go to check out end up sixty seven knowledge.
00:57:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know that's the game because you don't own the venue. That's it's it's a it's a cold game, you know what I'm saying.
00:57:26
Speaker 1: Not only do you not own a venue, you didn't just catch what the game I put down. Live Nation own ticket Master, so it's it's literally a monopoly Live Nation on the venue and they own the people that sells the ticket.
00:57:39
Speaker 3: If they don't own the venue, they own the boom mics and the type and the monitors.
00:57:44
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know what I'm saying.
00:57:46
Speaker 3: So it's a you know, you really uh in between the rock and a hard place as the performer, because you want your fans to be able to get a decent ticket price, but you also want to be able to make the money that you make because you getting busting their head on the back end worse than the fan is because for every ticket that you sell, if you set your ticket price at a certain point, they taking them fees off and you still got to pay the tax in the overtime if you go over time for all of the people.
00:58:14
Speaker 2: That's working and all of that.
00:58:16
Speaker 3: So it's just, you know, it's a cold game, man, it's a cold game. But you know it's hard to eliminate the middle man on that grandiose scale, right, And that's what I want to ask you, is the money in podcasting on tour and doing live show. I think that it's kind of a combination of both. You kind of need one to boost the other. But I think podcasting is more lucrative because you don't have to run the risk of going out and dealing with all of the live overhead and all of that. But still you kind of give your fan a greater experience in doing so. You look at somebody like who I would say is probably the top podcaster in the world, and Joe Rogan. Yes, I don't recall Joe Rogan doing any live tours or.
00:59:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, he have to.
00:59:10
Speaker 1: He's basically stopped doing comed head, you know what I mean.
00:59:13
Speaker 2: He's just spot and he has his club down.
00:59:17
Speaker 3: There, so you know what I mean the part, But the podcasting has elevated his brand into a space where he's been able to do whatever he wants to do from his centralized bat cave, if you will. So you can always do that, but as a live performer, you always gonna want to hit that stage.
00:59:34
Speaker 1: But see even for y'all, Right, so you got the ticket master fees with the Live Nation thing, then you got to split it with you call those DC, right, the ticket can't be anybody else that's old the.
00:59:45
Speaker 3: Bill, and then you really can't have the ticket astronomical amount.
00:59:51
Speaker 2: It can't be a three hundred dollars ticket, you know what I'm saying. So can it can? Yeah? Yeah, it definitely can.
00:59:58
Speaker 3: But but you don't want to do that to your consumer, you know. And that's why I say it puts you in between a rock and a hard place as a as the entertainer, because you don't want to overcharge, but you don't want to undercharge either. You want to make it worth your worth, You want to make it worth everybody's wow. But that just comes into giving the people a product that they want to pay for. And I think that's what we pride ourselves in and making sure that we give the people something. No matter what ticket price you pay, you get what you you get more than what you pay for you to get an experience. And that's pretty much all you can do because you're not in control of any of the other things. You only can worry about what you can control. But you know what I'm saying. Whoever, if the US Secretary is stepping in, yeah, I think that's probably because they have the laws against monopolies. And I didn't even know that Live Nation own ticket.
01:00:45
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's the game.
01:00:47
Speaker 3: But it's still so many other entertainment companies that you know, run through different venue.
01:00:54
Speaker 1: You see Live Nation literally has a monopoly on all the venues. They slick on ninety percent of the venue. So what will happen is if you're if you're a smaller company and say you got ten venues in New Jersey, they'll come buy you out like they they're they're really moving like the barb. When it comes to live performing, Yeah, man, all of it too. Were talking rappers deal with this. There's no one that does a live performance don't have to deal with You have to go through them in some kind.
01:01:21
Speaker 3: Of way, some way, whether it be getting a venue or finding the date. Yeah, shut the days down, yeah yeah, Universal Circus.
01:01:31
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.
01:01:33
Speaker 1: And this is where this is where last year a Little Baby had some backlass. You started to see a lot of bad press about tours, not only Baby but money Bag Yo.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:01:43
Speaker 3: They were started to say like, oh well no, they were starting to say, oh, there's there's stuff not selling out. And the reason they were doing that allegedly, conspiracy theories have it that there's a company out of Atlanta, a guy named Alex. He's actually somebody I'm cool with called a g torn right. He used to own Compound Yeah down in Atlanta.
01:02:04
Speaker 1: So what happened is he now steps into the arena and they don't go through ticket Master Live Nation. Well, they still go through ticket Master, but he's they're not going through Live Nation, so they're using the venues and just paying the price to use the venues. But he's facilitating all the tools, and so to slow him down or to put bad press on taking that route because they don't like to see rappers go that route, like come through us.
01:02:30
Speaker 2: It's the easiest way, it's the safest way.
01:02:33
Speaker 1: Everyone cancels dates if the tickets don't sell at a certain rate, we take that show off the books and may be revisited or something. But because money bag Yo, little baby and a couple of people were taking dates off, it literally was making Yeah, it was making press blags, right, And a lot of people said that that was because the fact that there was the black company stepping in and that was basically hit pieces going out to try to deter rappers from going that route. I want to be clear, baby, when their sixy red Rod Wave, like he was taking big acts from list a.
01:03:11
Speaker 3: Lot of black companies that promote you know, the Black Promoter's Coalition b A men's shows, that's.
01:03:17
Speaker 2: Who do that. Was doing the Whee the ones right B show.
01:03:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, be the ones, Yeah, blaking them and Diddy and them and and you know what I'm saying, like they you know, they go through the same things, you know, being a black promote promoter and trying to get you know, shut out. So it's always a grind. It's always you always got to try.
01:03:35
Speaker 2: To get in.
01:03:36
Speaker 3: We're going out with him on the eighty five. This this that's dope. So you know what I mean, we all trying to you know, like one hand wash the other watch the face loss. Still dealing with the big, the big, the big, big, big, big, big big.
01:03:48
Speaker 2: You gotta always.
01:03:49
Speaker 1: See they got a chill right now because they got this anti trust lawsuit hovering over them.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: This is the government. You know, they'll come and break this show.
01:03:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like you can't own that and that and that, like y'all got to figure out and liquid ate something, Yeah, for sure.
01:04:03
Speaker 2: And so I think that that possibly that changes it.
01:04:06
Speaker 3: But then the economy also is a big factor in that as well, what people can actually afford to pay. Yes, and what you know, people having aough means to be able to come out and enjoy live entertainment because that is a luxury. Yes, So being able to spend that money in and have the extra funds to want to buy a ticket forever much it costs, whether it be a thirty to fifty dollars ticket or a five hundred dollar ticket, the economy is going to determine whether no matter who's putting the show on and putting the venue up or putting the money up, the economy is always going to determine what people can come. No matter how much demand you are in. If the people don't have the money to be able to support, then it won't happen.
01:04:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also yeah, I mean I just think that that's crazy.
01:04:50
Speaker 1: I seen I did go to Cat Williams show, and I've seen Monique on tour with him. I think that was very interesting. But watching Monique up there, it remains to me that she sued Netflix about the Amy Schumer thing. I'm not sure what came of that, but do you think that her suing Netflix changed anything for female black comics.
01:05:15
Speaker 3: I think that her position in general has given a voice in a way that we didn't have a voice for female black comedians, and I think that I don't think she gets the credit for that, but I think that's what she did. And she can be looked at as difficult or whatever they you know, say that she is, you know, but at the same time, speaking up for yourself as a necessity for a lot of our women because we don't have anybody to step up and speak for him and for a long time, she was the only one that was doing that, right, And I think that you automatically are going to be looked at as difficult as a black woman when you do that. But you know, I think that at the same time, she did open up a door to be able to allow a lot of black female comedians to be a but to get they just do by not just through her entertainment prowess, but speaking up, you know, and starting those commodours for Netflix, but just in general across the board for sure. Without she also did go ahead and do a Netflix special, right she did, Yeah, I believe I believe she did. After suing them, Yeah, they kind of came to terms and she dropped something I believe on Netflix to kind of you know, bridge the gap or you know, say that, hey, they made things right. But yeah, Monique has been a voice in this culture man, and we look at her like Auntie, like even with her speaking with Shannon shap how that plays back people like those Shannon, she told you you know what's your what's your feeling on Dayton?
01:06:42
Speaker 2: White women?
01:06:43
Speaker 3: I mean I personally ain't with it because I know that a white woman would only be able to sympathize with me. She wouldn't be able to empathize with me. And sometimes as black men, that empathy is necessary just for you to understand it that you need to leave me the alone right now? Yes, whatever it may be. You know what I'm saying, Like now, I ain't necessarily against the white woman.
01:07:07
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna go that far.
01:07:09
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, what doctor Umar talking about. I won't say that that's wrong. But it's being in a relationship. Noah, You know, I ain't black women, man. I love black women. Black women? Is it for me? Because you know, just that connection that we have in dialogue, It ain't always about it ain't always about intimacy in regards to physical interaction. Intimacy to me is the connection that you have mentally to be able to stimulate somebody through conversation, even if it's the first and the last one we ever have. I know that you lead this conversation more grandiose as I will too, because I talked to an intelligent black woman, or I had dialogue with a with a that's from the hood and with him, and that's just something I value, you know, I value that. So I yeah, I can't see myself ever being in a relationship in general. But if I was showing up with a white woman, you can't see yourself in a relationship ever. No, hell no, I'm not doing never in a relationship. No, no, no, not conventional relationship, not at all. Why we see we about to be in here for another three hours long check the checktive playback. But no, I'm not I'm not with the conventional relationships don't make no sense to me, because the best way to explain it is, as a man, we have an obligation to be true to self first.
01:08:29
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
01:08:30
Speaker 3: In my opinion, You know what I'm saying, that's that's the only way you want to ever be able to be of service, to be that of that usefulness that we have to be as men. And I can't ever see myself allowing any woman to think that she's the only woman that I ever want to be with for the rest of my life.
01:08:45
Speaker 2: And what that entails is when people hear that.
01:08:48
Speaker 3: A lot of times when women hear that, they automatically think that you just want to be out here sticking your dick and everything. No, no, not at all. But if I want to engage with a woman, if you if you're my girlfriend, and you feel like, because you're my girlfriend, you're supposed to encompass everything that I need, that's an unfair commitment to Maybe.
01:09:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel with you, sir, that's a that's a heavy load. Know what, I allow you to think that I'm supposed to be your.
01:09:13
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lift everything, you know. It don't work like that. Oh that mean emotional strain, sexual strain. While I evolve. I used to like that, I like this, Now can you do that now?
01:09:24
Speaker 2: Exactly? Now I'm specialized at that.
01:09:26
Speaker 3: Then they then they'll get upset, like we see with Cassie, right, she feel it feels like she got upset there. I spent all these years freaking out with you and it didn't really materialize to what I wanted. But that's on the man and not establishing that, Hey, what is it that you do? You got to be able to listen as much as you can talk. Like my line of questioning is always what are you looking for? Because if what you're looking for is not what I just explained to you what I am, then don't waste your time trying to convince me to turn into what that is because it's not gonna happen.
01:09:57
Speaker 2: Right.
01:09:57
Speaker 3: So, and time is the most valuable thing that we have. It's the only then we can't get back. So if I got a woman somewhere and I'm you know, in the presence of a woman that I'm having a good, nice conversation with and we talking, and you know what I mean, we at the restaurant, or we at the bar, whatever it is we're doing, I cannot allow myself to enter into agreement that I have a woman somewhere thinking that I'm doing her wrong by doing what's good for me.
01:10:22
Speaker 2: This makes me feel good in the moment. This is what's for me.
01:10:25
Speaker 3: This is something that is I'm never going to allow anybody to think that I'm wrong for doing what I feel is for me, no matter what capacity is in right, So if this agreement allows me to or requires me to go into a situation where this is the book, this is what we do, and this is it and if we straight from this, then we're doing each other wrong. While would I ever agree to those terms and conditions? And then the thing is, like I always talk about, like the requirements that we are required to have as a man, it's always more elevated than what a woman is required to have, coming in meaning I have to have financial stability in some sense of the word. I have to be able to make you feel safe. I got to be able to make you feel differently than other men it made you feel, not to remind you of past trauma that the other minute brought into your life. I got to be able to make you feel like you're enhancing me through your presence, to give you worth as a woman, and be able to elevate you and your femininity through you elevating me and my masculinity. I have to be able to do all of those things. And the number one thing I got to be able to do above all those things. Is you good because I can have all of those good character riches. But if I can't lay no dick, then I'm just gonna be the homie. So I gotta you use all those assets that you're going to get the other du.
01:11:45
Speaker 2: Mouth getting.
01:11:46
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. There's two things a woman is not gonna be. She's not gonna be getting bad on the floor. You know what I'm saying. She's not gonna get bad. That's the whole fact. You know, if it's on the floor, be platted, and if it's in a and if I'm getting bad, it's gonna be in the mansion, right, you know what I'm saying. So that's just the idealism of how it works. Those are the terms and conditions under normal conventional wisdom. So you mean to tell me that I'm supposed to enter into agreement where you meet me and my attributes sore on ninety nine. I can fight till jokes got money, and you expect me to stop utilizing all them skills because you like it.
01:12:26
Speaker 2: Of course you like it. I'm a superhero man.
01:12:28
Speaker 3: The hoes need me, you know what I'm saying, And not just for dick for game for understanding. I'm I'm supposed to let my other folks struggle because you're selfish, right, And the answer is yes, if you enter into that conventional wisdom. And that's why you can't he do it. You know what I'm saying, There's no way I can do that. It's no way. And mind you, I have multiple relationships with women that I deal with on every level, some sexual, most not. But at the same time, they know that they least got one in their life that they can depend on to be consistently who we say it is every time. And I ain't looking for nothing different from you do your thing as long as whatever your thing is don't cause me no problem.
01:13:06
Speaker 2: Right, and we're good, you know what I'm saying.
01:13:08
Speaker 3: And now I got to the point where you know, I want to ask you, but what about this? And what about that? I got to answer to all them questions. Yo, know where you're my child at?
01:13:15
Speaker 2: Okay? Here, I ain't got nothing now, you know what I'm saying. Now what now? What's the conversation? Now?
01:13:20
Speaker 3: You just don't want to engage in something that's different than what you want. But the good part is now you've been able to have a dialogue with somebody who has a total one eighty of what you think is right and what you think is conventional, and what you think a man is supposed to be. So now you have a different vantage point and perspective to go to you supposed to.
01:13:38
Speaker 2: Find, right. Yeah.
01:13:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I didn't do nothing but direct you to who you supposed to.
01:13:43
Speaker 2: Find, I did a good thing for my own Yeah, black women.
01:13:46
Speaker 1: So that's I appreciate you. Man, any Chico being ladies and gentlemen. Anything you want to lead to people with oh man nah man man.
01:13:55
Speaker 2: I know we had three four hours