Ep. #957: Connecting the Anomalies w/ Dr. Simeon Hein

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Five, four, three, two, one.
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When the lights go down low and the wolves begin
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to howl, from somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal,
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you're entering Into the Parabnormal.
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That separates us from all we perceive.
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True reality. Open the gate, let the truth be known.
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It's more than meets the eye, we're not alone. Into
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the paranormal. Into the paranormal. Welcome to the Paradox. Cross over.
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From the cold, dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
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deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, it is the program
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that is somewhat paranormal and somewhat abnormal, which means it
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is not everyone's cup of tea. We do this show
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because this space that we occupy is abnormal. That can
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be uncomfortable for some, but we need a place to
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talk about it. And you found that place. Pull up
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a chair. Pull up the covers. Whatever the case happens
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to be, keep your eyes on the road for those
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truckers who listen to this program all night on repeat,
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from what I understand, and thank you so much for
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doing so. 503-389-3131 is the number when we're live, and
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hopefully you're listening to us live, because that is when
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you can hear the program and interact with us in
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real time.
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503-389-3131. Weeknight, 7 Pacific, 10 Eastern, across America.
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So as I mentioned, you know, this is not mainstream
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stuff that we discuss about.
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It's abnormal. It's paranormal. It's paranormal.
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But be careful about mixing subjects. I have found that
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does not go over well with some. But just because
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it may be awkward doesn't mean we won't discuss it. Actually,
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that means we probably will discuss it. Which means we
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have to push the envelope from time to time. I
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feel it also means we get closer to the truth
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bit by bit each night. But that requires having an
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open mind, of course, and thinking outside the box. So
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if you're new to the program. I would just give
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you that advice. If you're not new to the program,
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you don't need any advice. You show up every time
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and give us a listen and keep coming back for more.
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So nothing more needs to be said besides thank you.
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As we've heard on many episodes, though, of this show,
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people are always having just one strange thing happen to
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them at a time. Sometimes they experience overlapping phenomena, and
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there are anomalies as well that happen during.
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This which cannot be ignored. These anomalies could actually be
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what helps tie these seemingly unrelated phenomena together. What do
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you think about that? 503-389-3131.
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This would be anything from UFOs and orbs to crop
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circles and Bigfoot. All subjects we've discussed within the past
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few weeks on this show and for many years. The
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list goes on, though. There's a lot of these phenomena
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that we'll try to venture into over the course of
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our program tonight. But we hear about people during their
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encounters who realize their battery suddenly drains. The radio fills
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with static. Or the very air seems charged with an
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invisible force. Maybe you know exactly what I'm talking about.
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And during certain dairy column paranormal encounters, electromagnetic fields seem
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to go haywire.
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Devices malfunction. Compasses spin.
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Animals react as if sensing something that we can't. Ever
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wonder why your pets... While they're wigging out, maybe they
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are actually seeing things that we can't. Witnesses have reported
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a sudden shift in the atmosphere, a tingling sensation, a
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feeling that reality itself is bending at the edges. So
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we've got to get to the bottom of what's actually
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happening here, and researchers are exploring the idea that some
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encounters with cryptids or unexplained entities might involve coherent matter.
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Exotic organized forms of energy like plasma or ball lightning.
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These forms could interact with our environment in ways that
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disrupt electronics, create static charges, or even cloak themselves from
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ordinary sight. We might actually see If not tonight, more
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likely tomorrow night when we're on the air, you could
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see what you might think could be plasma or ball lightning.
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It may have something to do with. The partial eclipse.
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The lunar partial lunar eclipse and also potential northern lights,
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the aurora borealis, because we had a CME. within the
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past few days, a pretty powerful M class variety flare.
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So that is all going on. But that's not what
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we're talking about here. But that could be going on
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this weekend. Just heads up, if you're seeing some what
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looks like, you know, electrical discharge or something, it could
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have something to do with one of those two events.
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But We're going to discuss this tonight with Dr. Simeon Hine,
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who is a sociologist, author, and researcher best known for
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his work exploring the intersection of frontier science, consciousness studies,
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and anomalous phenomena. He earned his doctorate in sociology from
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Washington State University, where he focused on statistics, research methods,
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and social change.
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Since the mid-1990s, Dr.
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Hine has taught and practiced remote viewing, a form of
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intuition training originally developed under U.S. government research, and founded
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the Mount Baldy Institute to study subtle energy and consciousness-related phenomena.
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His books, including Open Minds, Black Swan Ghosts, and Dark
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Matter Monsters, examine topics such as crop circles, Bigfoot, UFOs,
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and the possibility of unseen energetic dimensions of reality. Through
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his lectures, workshops, and media appearances, Dr. Hine promotes open-minded
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scientific inquiry into unexplained events and the hidden capacities of
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human perception.
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Welcome back, Dr. Simeon Hine, into the Parabnormal. Hey, Jeremy,
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thanks for having me here tonight.
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Absolutely.
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So what led you to the idea that the phenomena
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such as what I've described, UFOs, ball lightning, crop circles.
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Bigfoot encounters. And I said, as the list goes on,
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have some sort of common explanation.
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Well, what you're describing are all phenomena that are on
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this kind of spectrum of weirdness. And I guess for me,
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the start of that spectrum was what we call remote
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viewing and learning about that in 1996 after the government
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program was declassified in 1995. We learned that the Defense
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Intelligence Agency and CIA had been using psychics for various
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military and intelligence purposes. And when you learn about any
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of these topics, it's sort of like a fractal set
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of roots that keeps going out to other topics. You
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encounter people that have been in programs, classified programs, special
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access programs, people will come take your classes. You hear
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about subjects you didn't know about. You end up viewing
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targets out of curiosity to see where it leads you.
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So it's I wouldn't call it like going down the
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rabbit hole, because I think that is kind of a
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slightly negative connotation. Like somehow you're like losing it. I
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think of it more, Jeremy, like the what we call
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modern science is just far too limited. Or at least
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it's been that way since perhaps World War II, where
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instead of having individual self-supported inventors pursuing whatever interested them. And,
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you know, inventors like the Wright brothers and people like that,
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that were at the time considered like crazy fools, but
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changed how we live, you know. We have fewer of
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those people because it's such a centralized funding system for
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scientific research and there's so much conformity. All right, we're
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going to pause and be back with Dr. Simeon Hine
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in just a moment.
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Into the paranormal. Paranormal. Paranormal.
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Paranormal.
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Into the Paranormal continues. I'm Jeremy Scott. Dr.
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Simeon Hine is with us tonight. Could these phenomena be connected?
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It seems to be that science.
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Isn't really willing to go outside the box. Would you
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agree with that? Is that kind of the point you
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were making? You know, the conformity in science? Yeah, formal
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science has become very conservative.
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Each generation has gotten increasingly conservative, and they've pushed away
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a lot of these topics into black budget programs. So,
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I mean, they are being studied. All you've got to
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read is James Lukatsky's books, right? Skinwalkers at the Pentagon,
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Volumes 1 through 4. Someone from you know, DOD missile
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defense analyst, uh, expert on foreign adversaries, most systems. And
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he says in his books that these topics are all
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connected and you just have to look at the symptomology
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of people's experiences. Uh, and you see that it doesn't
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matter if it's UFOs or Bigfoot or, uh, um, various
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types of time slips and things that people sometimes encounter.
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You get a lot of the same types of phenomena
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happening around us, which suggests that it's a special state
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of electromagnetism of matter that we're just not as familiar with.
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So is this a popular theory, I guess, that you're
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going to discuss with us tonight? I don't know if
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it's popular or not. It's just the one that makes
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sense to me. I mean, you're basing a science. You
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want to base your ideas on evidence, on data and
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ideas that pull them together in the most direct, simplest way.
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Like Einstein did. And when I look at all these
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phenomena and you keep hearing about people saying the room
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got very cold or. that fog came in or that
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the things looked blurry i mean you just see this
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over and over again it got sucked very quiet you
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know you hear this around ufos you hear this around
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bigfoot you hear this around haunted sites the smell of
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sulfur it's you begin to think you're you're dealing with
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the same sort of phenomena in different forms and we
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call it paranormal supernatural but it To me, it's a
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type of condensed electromagnetism. And there was a lot of
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study in the Soviet Union about this. They called them
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electromagnetic phantoms.
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All right.
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So you were interested in remote viewing. And then how
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did we get to this point?
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You get to this point because some of the targets
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you end up viewing are UFO targets occasionally because it's
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something you can look at in a viewing session and
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You encounter people who've been in the Department of Defense,
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people in intelligence agencies that want to learn remote viewing
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that maybe they heard about it, but never knew what
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it was. And then, you know, they're going to tell
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you stories about classified programs that they've been privy to,
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stuff like that. And you begin to think that there's
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just a larger pattern of phenomena that's real, but that
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for some reasons or deliberate disinformation campaigns, That the public
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hasn't been exposed to very much, perhaps because the authorities
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think it could cause panic or something like that. So
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you begin to hear about these topics. You go to conferences,
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and even at UFO conferences, you're going to have an
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occasional Bigfoot lecturer. And even at the Bigfoot conferences, you're
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going to have people talking about UFOs. So it's because
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the phenomena crossover. There's this crossover effect. an interlap, an
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interweaving of these phenomena that's just inescapable. Again, that's the
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conclusion James Lukatsky came to. As he said it, I
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think he said it best, a UFO sighting is more
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than a UFO sighting. And it's because, you know, Jeremy,
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like you just take UFO sightings. You get these witnesses
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who had, you know, precognitive experiences of the events before
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they happened and Sometimes after their UFO encounter, they have
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abilities they didn't have before or interests. So there's just
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a range of consequences of encountering UFOs or Bigfoot or
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other types of creatures like that, that suggest, if you
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look at it scientifically, that they're interconnected in some way
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that maybe you don't completely understand. But I mean, that's
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what the evidence is pointing to. Just like, well, it's
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like Einstein said that energy and matter were the same
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thing before he came along and did that. You wouldn't
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have thought that light was the same as a solid
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piece of a lamp sitting on your desk. But according
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to Einstein, E equals MC squared, you know, simplified things.
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And that's what science is all about.
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So when we're talking about these different, what might be
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perceived to be separate from each other, these different phenomena,
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what are some of the similarities that you have found
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between them?
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The similarities are the changes in the environment that you
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get when these phenomena are happening. you find that witnesses
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report that things begin to look different on the color spectrum,
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that colors look a little darker, which suggests an electromagnetic
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effect or some effect on the optic nerve. People report temperatures,
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things getting cold. I've talked to UFO witnesses that said
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they had to put on a jacket in the middle
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of July in Miami when a UFO was nearby. You
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get a lot of electromagnetic failure, devices burning out, batteries draining.
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I saw that personally myself around crop circles in the
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UK starting from 1997. And then you get some of
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the post... physical and psychiatric effects on witnesses who've been
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around these phenomena. Sometimes witnesses feel like a type of
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sunburn afterwards. It can even happen around some of these
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cryptids and creatures and so forth. Uh, orbs orbs are
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one of the phenomena that seemed to cross over from
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UFOs to Bigfoot to haunted sites and so forth. Um,
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And then you get the general, as I mentioned before,
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this idea that they can't see the objects, whether it's
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a UFO or a Bigfoot or a ball. They can't
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see it. It clearly looks blurry. Even to their eyes.
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right for some reason. But to their eyes, the creature
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or the UFO or something about it looks weird. So again,
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it's just a kind of a structural change to space-time,
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to the nature of space-time from these phenomena, which... again,
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suggests to me at least that they're part of a
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class of objects and processes that are just different than
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the ordinary states of matter that we're used to.
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hear about electromagnetic anomalies and time distortions and things like that,
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what could cause that?
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Those are probably caused by changes in some of the
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fundamental physics constants that you and I experience as something
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that never changes, but to certain types of technology or
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natural processes, these are going to change, such as what
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Maxwell called permittivity. This is the ability of a material
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to resist an external electrical field. And we're used to
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just arbitrarily setting permittivity at one in empty space. But
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there are technologies, and apparently it seems like creatures like
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Bigfoot or certain cryptids that can manipulate this electrical susceptibility
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to external fields and lower their permittivity. And the speed
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of light, the speed of electromagnetic signals, is based on
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permittivity and what's called permeability, the magnetic constant. the two
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electromagnetic constants, permittivity and permeability. When those begin to vary,
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the speed of light begins to change. And things that
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look ordinary to you are going to start to look
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blue-shifted or red-shifted. They're going to change shape. They're going
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to be at a different frequency. Even, Jeremy, ordinary light
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waves could become dangerous. If they're shifted to a higher frequency,
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they could shift into the ultraviolet. or other higher spectrums,
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which burn our skin and so forth. And this is
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why you get these types of injuries around these types
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of phenomena. So my personal experience, again, comes from the
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crop circles. But even there in the UK, and even
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around man-made circles, you had orbs, which I've recorded and
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seen myself. You had UFO sightings. You even had human
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circle makers that I talked to, people that did this
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a lot over in England, report small UFOs hovering over
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their circles as they made them, stuff like that.
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So absolutely. More with Dr. Simeon Hine coming up into
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Tomorrow's partial lunar eclipse could be even more spectacular with
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a rare double feature. The eclipse just might coincide with
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particularly in Canada and Alaska. And because the eclipsed moon
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will be much darker than a normal full moon, it
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may be easier to spot the aurora alongside it. In
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stronger areas of the storm, sky watchers could even see
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This orb, this sort of dancing orb. I saw a
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bright flash of light. I got it. Oh my gosh.
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Oh my gosh.
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Thousands of people have seen UFOs, hundreds of people have
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seen Bigfoot and other strange phenomena. They were coming down
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from tree level into where their car beam lights would
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be and then jump back out.
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From the cold, dark depths of a secret dungeon, somewhere
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deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, you're traveling into the
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paranormal with Jeremy Scott.
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Perhaps a light bulb is going on across America. My experiencers,
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my witnesses. Who listened to this program. Have you observed
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any of these other phenomena occurring at the same time
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of your Bigfoot encounter, your UFO encounter, whatever the case
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happens to be your missing time. Five Oh three, three, eight,
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nine 31 31 on into the pair of normal. I'm
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Jeremy Scott talking with Dr. Simeon Hein, his website, Simeon Hein.com
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author of opening minds, black Swan goes dark matter monsters. Um,
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So what you were kind of describing before the break
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is in particular crop circles and whatever this phenomena is,
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the infatuation to the crop circle making process, whether done
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by man or not.
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You know, like a non-human thing. No, it's something to
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do with the shape itself can have energy, spiral shape. Uh,
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it can focus energy, act like a wave guide, and
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even humans can learn to make those sorts of shapes too.
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Whether the original phenomenon was made by plasma Vortec vortices
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or UFO, you know, propulsion systems that humans can reproduce
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that type of geometry with practice and recreate some of
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the same electromagnetic effects. So, uh, I think people have
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been wrong to assume that the human-made ones are hoaxes.
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I mean, some of them might be there just to
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trick people, but a lot of them with the groups
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I went out with, I mean, they take them pretty seriously,
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and they realize they're designing something that could have real
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positive effects on people. So they take it, you know,
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they plan it out very well, and they want something
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that really has a good effect when they're done with it.
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So whatever the phenomena is, it seems like it has
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the ability to either manipulate our reality or cross over
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into it.
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Would you agree with that? Well, it does seem that
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in certain ensembles of electromagnetic phenomena, It creates the conditions
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whereby you can get interactions from other parallel realities. I
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was just talking about that in my live stream an
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hour ago. I mean, there are viable scientific theories. One's
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called the many interacting worlds theory from Howard Wiseman that
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suggests that what we call quantum mechanics is really just
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the interaction of parallel realities. When you put it into
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a simulation mathematically, you get the same quantum types of effects,
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double-slit experiment, and other well-known quantum effects that define quantum mechanics,
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but you can reproduce that from the simulation of parallel realities.
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It still produces a quantum wave function without a wave
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actually being there. So I think what we're looking at
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is other realities in certain circumstances, whether it's from geology–
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as in the case of some of these hotspot portal
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areas like Skinwalker Ranch or Marley Woods or Bradshaw Ranch
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in Sedona, some of these well-known areas, I think that
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the geology creates the electromagnetic conditions for charge clusters to
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form and for these other parallel realities to influence us
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in some ways, maybe even other things coming through. I mean,
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you remember some of those stories from Skinwalker Ranch, right,
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where people just saw entities like to show up. Yeah.
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I spoke to one of those one of those researchers
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who worked for NIDS was a crop circle researcher from Canada.
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And I happened to be in a crop circle one
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day with him in 2000. He said, you know, I
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worked for Bigelow and I was there as one of
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the two people that saw that very tall humanoid figure
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emerge from. From a road, a light spot of light
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on the road that expanded. And like as if it
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was a portal. Jeremy, and he said a creature pulled
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itself out of the portal and walked away and he
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saw it with his own eyes. Like grabbed itself by
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the head, pulled itself out.
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Grabbed the edge of the circles and kind of emerged
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from and then the portal closed up. Yeah. and the
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creature walked away, and he said it was very tall
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and big. I'm not sure it's a Bigfoot or what
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it was, but the guy next to him had night
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vision binocs and saw it even more clearly. Lukatsky wrote
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about this in his book, but that's kind of the
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crossover you can kind of see what I'm talking about.
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You go to start with remote view, and you get interested.
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What are these crop circles? And you go over to UK,
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and then you happen to be talking to someone who
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worked at Skinwalker Ranch who relates a story about portals
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And entities climbing out of them. I mean, I mean, Jeremy,
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you can't make this stuff up. It's what it's reality.
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And it begins to you begin to think maybe reality
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is much, much bigger than you and I were taught
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in high school or college for that matter. So like
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an opening here or a gateway.
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Yeah, we've all been conditioned to see reality in a
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very narrow, perhaps a Newtonian or linear way, but it's
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really much more complex than that. And other types of
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life forms exist. For whatever reason, our government has chosen
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not to talk about it for 70 years or so, right?
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And we're having this discussion right now as a country,
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you know, about UAP disclosure. We've renamed them UAP. Sounds
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a little safer, right?
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I guess.
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And we're having this discussion of what can we release.
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And we've gotten these released from the Trump administration. So,
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I mean, it seems to me the direction it's going,
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if you look at the history of science, is that
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there's a much bigger reality around this. And I've happened
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to encounter a little bit of that just by looking
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outside ordinary topics. It's just because for whatever reason, my
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parents raised me to be kind of like an open
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minded person to honestly look at these things and say, well,
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there's really something there. You wouldn't have thought it, but
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there it is. So, yeah. So something is. Attracting. This.
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Attention, if we want to call it whatever the phenomena is,
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is either attracted to these particular hot spots because of
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what goes on there or or something of that kind.
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Well, I just gave a lecture at the snippy conference
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in Moscow, Colorado, about 10 days ago. They have an
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annual conference there. It's around the theme of animal mutilations.
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I mean, that's what sparked the idea for the conference,
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but it's about all sorts of topics now, obviously. You know,
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unexplained animal deaths out there in the St. Louis Valley. And,
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you know, what I said, it's like from geology to anomaly.
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It's like you're going to get these Areas on the
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earth that have a high level of charge clusters and
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radical permittivity transitions. We were talking about permittivity.
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Yeah, hold that thought because we got a break. We'll
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be right back quickly with Dr.
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Simeon Hine.
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Into the paranormal.
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Paranormal.
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Jeremy Scott into the pair of normal. We're with Dr.
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Simeon Hine tonight. And I had asked him, you know,
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why is this phenomena happening in some of these areas
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versus others? The law of attraction, I guess, is what
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it comes down to. And you were just getting ready
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to explore that for us.
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Right. And again, I train in sociologists. So these ideas,
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I mean, they're speculative on my part. I haven't actually
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gone out in the field and tested them, but to me,
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they seem to make sense based on a lot of
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research is that there's some geological areas like the Marl,
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so-called Marley woods ranch in Missouri. Just take, for example,
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where you get these orbs and plasmas showing up all
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the time. Ted Phillips said they called them ambers. And, uh,
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They got strange creatures out there, UFOs, the whole thing,
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just like Skinwalker Ranch, just like all these places. And
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so my feeling about it is there must be some
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geological continuity, similarity between these areas that allow these types
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of charge clusters to to form and it could be
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as simple as having rock layers where some of them
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are highly insulating and some are more conductive or you
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know clay layers in between or iron or something like
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that of water and it creates these sharp permittivity transitions
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which leads to the generation of uh plasmoid types of
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structures toroidal fractal electromagnetic shapes and it creates a range
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of phenomena that we see out there. Strange creatures showing up,
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orbs that have the ability to lift up picnic tables.
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They can be very dangerous, too. I mean, these orbs
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are known to injure and kill livestock. Sometimes they explode
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towards the end of their lifetime, whether that's a few
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minutes to a little bit longer. They have a real
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strong explosive power, which is probably why the government, the
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Air Force particularly, was interested in ball lightning. And I
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think you get this in my, you know, you look
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at the photos of these things spiraling through the air.
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It looks like the same thing, whether it's Hessdalen, Norway,
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or Marley Woods. It seems like the same thing. David Freiberger,
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who was working for Department of Energy, at Stanford, Stanford
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Linear Accelerator Center, called, he was asked by DOE to
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look into this, and he called them vortons, the energy structures.
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These are tightly condensed electromagnetic knots that are based in
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a vortex shape and produce a huge amount of concentrated energy.
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And he said that's what creates orbs, ball lightning, earth lights,
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and all. Even some things that look like structured UFOs.
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We're not talking about inhabited craft. Things that look like that.
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And he just said, I'm going to call it a Vortan.
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It's like this tiny little knot of electromagnetic energy. And
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it's the same thing that the Soviets found in their
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classified energetics research. So it just seems that there's an
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alternative type of electromagnetic, condensed electromagnetic energy that you and I, Jeremy,
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don't know a lot about it because it's been subject
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to highly classified military programs. Because it's weaponizable, unfortunately, or fortunately,
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depending how you look at it. But it's a natural
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sort of process. And for some reason, we just haven't
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talked about it very much. And it's kind of been
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part of classified black budget science.
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So I think this is maybe the first time that
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I've actually heard, at least to my recollection, that some
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of this phenomena has actually injured humans.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we hear about, I.
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Mean, UFO cases, and I guess there has been maybe
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a Bigfoot attack from time to time, but but not.
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The other stuff, the orbs. No, no. It's in Lekatsky's
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books from the research from NIDS and Bob Bigelow. They
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still haven't released all their files for some reason. I
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guess it was some agreement with the government or something
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still classified. But Lekatsky talks about people being injured and.
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getting all sorts of diseases after having ball lightning pass
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through their body. Because ball lightning is not like a
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physical chemical substance. It's an energetic charge neutral structure that
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can pass through walls and glass and humans. I've spoken
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to people that have been around it when it's exploded
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and they were injured by it. I've spoken to a
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number of people. They've written to me what it was
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like hiking in the mountains, coming across one of these things.
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And they don't always do this. It's just really it's
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sort of unpredictable. Sometimes they just it seems to be
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like a coulombic repression pressure electrons repulsing each other. They
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switch from being tightly attracted to repulsing each other like
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they normally do in the objects around us that are
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ordinary coulombic repulsion. It's what, you know, creates atomic structure.
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And when they switch back into that ordinary state, there's
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a huge amount of pressure that pushes them apart. It's about,
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the Air Force said it's about 10 times the strength
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of TNT, or the same size. So it's like 10
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times the strength of a hand grenade for that size
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ball lightning, hand grenade size ball lightning. So it's something
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to watch out for. And there are, if you do
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research into ball lightning, there's books by the Russian researcher
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Vladimir Bychkov. And there's the Amaski.com site, which accumulated a
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lot of online reports of ball lightning, which is open
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for anyone to read. Amaski.com, S-C-I, Amaski. And you can
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read these cases and their peoples describe their relatives being
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killed by ball lightning from the explosion. But the weird
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thing about it is there are strange aspects to it.
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In Bichkov's books, he describes reports of, he says, farm
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animals being transported by ball lightning, literally being relocated, like teleportation.
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It's very strange. Picked up by a light, moved location. Yeah, exactly.
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And I kind of dragged them along. There was a
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case in the Soviet Union of a train being pulled
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by a ball lightning without its engine being on. a
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whole train with cars and the front engine and the
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subsequent train cars were pulled by. So it can do
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all these things. And of course it's the subject to
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classified air force, you know, research as, you know, anti-gravity
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think about it, anti-gravity propulsion weapons. So what is actually
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harming people? Is it the voltage? Uh, It could be
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that they generate very intense microwave radiation, which if you're
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on the receiving end of that is going to cause exsanguination,
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you know, like some of these unexplained animal deaths they
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there's no blood left in the animal you might think
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the aliens are coming down and sucking out the blood
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but a simpler explanation is they were hit by ball
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lightning and caused that instantaneous exsanguination because the ball lightning
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itself is cool to the touch but it can generate
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intense electromagnetism the way freiberger was talking about and so
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it can generate it ball lightning if it falls into
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a bathtub of water will boil that water in about
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10 seconds. So it, you can compute how much energy
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it's putting out from the amount of water it can boil.
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These are rare cases, Jeremy, obviously, but you can make
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computations about it. So it is something to watch out for.
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Now it's not that common. And the ones I've seen
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were all in the UK and, and they only lasted
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a few seconds. But I wouldn't go over if you
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saw it and put your hand in it. It's just unpredictable.
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It might be nothing, or it might explode, or it
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might give you quite a shock. So there's a variety
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of ways, but... The main thing is when it switches
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back from being coherent matter, where all the particles are
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kind of lined up and kind of quantum entangled into
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ordinary matter with typical coulombic repulsion from the electrons in
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the atomic structure. It's a huge repulsive force outward, and
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it probably creates an explosive force like. Oh.
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He went away. We're at the end of the hour.
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We'll regroup on the other side with Dr. Simeon Hine.
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It's like he got zapped away by a ball of
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light and he just that was it. We lost you there,
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but you're back with us. Sorry to hear that.
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Yes.
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Yes. It's like I was telling the audience you must
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have gotten sucked in by one of these. No, I'm
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still here. Everything's working. Everything's working. We'll see on the
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other side of the hour. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I was
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just telling the audience we're at the break. So give
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out your website, Dr.
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Hein, please.
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Oh, sure. My website is simianhein.com or newcrystalmind.com. And you
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can find me on YouTube too. All right. Fantastic. We'll
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take a break.
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Big, long stretch at the top of the hour here
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for news and Important programming updates from our local radio
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affiliates or for those on the Internet. Just hang with us.
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We'll have more with Dr. Simeon Hines somewhere between the
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paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.
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Talking with Dr.
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Simeon Hine tonight on the program. We appreciate you being
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with us somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal as
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we've been talking about whether or not electromagnetic anomalies and
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the kind. Is there some sort of connection between Much
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of the activity that we discuss on a nightly basis here,
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like UFOs and Bigfoot and crop circles and what is
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known as ball lightning. Now, this is an atmospheric phenomenon.
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When does this actually occur? It's described to, you know,
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happen during thunderstorms, but it also happens at other times, right?
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Right. I mean, I think there's a misconception that it's
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only something like it's a type of lightning associated with
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linear lightning that we're all used to seeing. But ball
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lightning arises from thunderstorms some of the time, but not
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all of the time. I mean, it's been reproduced in
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laboratories and it seems to arise any time that there's
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some sort of compression on the particles, if there are electrons,
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that make them into behaving coherently like a flock of birds,
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for example, so that they're at the same frequency, at
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the same temperature. It's called monochromaticity. And when you have
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those conditions, whether it's the way Nikola Tesla did it
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with kind of a pulsed discharge of energy where the
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electrons collide into each other, or you can do it
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aligning them through microwaves. There are different methods by which
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you can create this type of structure, but you end
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up with something called coherent matter, where the particles act
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more like a wave than as individual particles. And Lockheed
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Martin had a patent in 2013 where they said that
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they could do this with any type of particle at
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any temperature. And use it for long distance, non-electromagnetic communication, right?
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Non-local communication, directed energy weapons, and controlling weather from a distance,
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things like this. Kind of these applications of controlling things,
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not through energy, but through frequency. By removing energy from
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a system, you could gain more control over it, which
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is interesting. by taking out the randomness and just leaving
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coherent signal. So it's an interesting area of research. In
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my view, that's really strongly related to ball lightning. And
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it's something that laboratories have reproduced it. You hear a
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lot of things about it. I mean, even recently here,
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I was reading New Scientist. There was an article saying
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it's a hallucination. People have debated. Maybe it doesn't really exist.
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It's so strange. People have wanted to argue it's a
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brain hallucination, but the problem is we also haven't found
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dark matter.
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Right.
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Well, we know what some of dark matter is, but
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maybe not the bulk of it. I think the work
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of Alexander Parkimov, Dr. Parkimov in Soviet Union, Russia, he
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identified one small component of it called the relative neutrino
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from the cosmic background radiation, which is very hard to detect,
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but you can detect it gravitationally. But yeah, it's something
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like that. It's rare. Ball lightning is rare enough that
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when you see it, you don't even know quite what
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you're looking at. But the Air Force report from 1995
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said that 5% of Americans have seen it. Like I've
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seen it a couple of times in the UK briefly.
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The interesting thing is it has an invisible stage. It's
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called black ball lightning. Maybe that's what Lekatsky's talking about
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at Skinwalker Ranch, these dark orbs over paths and things
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that felt scary. By the way, Jeremy, that's another symptom
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of these types of phenomena is an instantaneous fear response
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that switches on and off like a switch, right? And
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Lekatsky wrote about that, about these DIA analysts out there.
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People react in fear to these experiences? Well- It has
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a certain vibe to it that induces that feeling within you.
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I'm not sure it's a reaction as much as a
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disturbance to the ordinary electromagnetic fields that you're used to,
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which your body interprets as danger and creates a fear response.
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And people feel that around Bigfoot too. But again, it
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seems very sudden and it can switch off like a switch.
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You can just go away very quickly. Not like a
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typical fear response that takes a few minutes to dissipate.
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This like just turns off. So I think that's related also.
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And so, I mean, like the title of your show,
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we can call this like something abnormal or we can
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just say, look, For whatever reason, science hasn't wanted to
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talk about this very much. We could debate why that is.
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But people experience these phenomena. We call them paranormal. We
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call them supernatural. But in my view, I mean, starting
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from remote viewing, which, again, these phenomena we're talking about
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generate something called the Aronhov-Bohm effect, which is a type
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of non-local communication with no electromagnetic signal. It's kind of amazing. So,
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I mean, we know what these phenomena are. It just
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has not been very much. I think, you know what
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it is, Jeremy? There's a stigma around it. People are
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afraid if they investigate these. I think until recently, until
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we changed the name of UFOs to UAP, people are
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afraid it could affect their career negatively to be associated
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with these phenomena. So various agencies that could be looking
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into this more intensely just choose to not look at
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it at all.
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So these anomalies, they're not just side effects, in your opinion,
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but they could actually be more of a clue to
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what is really happening during these encounters.
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I think so. I think it's a clue. And I
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think it suggests there's other types of life around us.
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You're familiar with these types of life forms. I mean,
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that's what my book, Dark Matter Monsters, was about. is
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because people have encounters with these life forms. You only
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have to listen to these podcasts that are online, right?
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We know which podcasts these are. They have witnesses just
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telling what they experienced. I love listening to these. And
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these people are very genuine. You can tell they were
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really scared by what they saw. And they see these
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creatures out there that vanish before their eyes. that jump
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incredible heights, that seem to be able to scale rock walls,
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that cause their car to stall just when they want
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to get away. You know what I'm talking about. They
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affect their cameras. I've talked to these women. They affect
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their batteries. Batteries, cameras, electronics cause brain fog. And I
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think enough people are having these experiences that there should
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be a federal type of hearing and investigation, just like
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we're doing with UFOs. Just to be fair to the
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American people about what are people actually– I mean, this
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is rare, but people do encounter these types of life forms.
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What are they encountering out there? It's not all Bigfoot.
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It's other types of creatures, too. It's a whole spectrum
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of creatures, and they often are seen around orbs. No surprise.
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So it does seem there's other types of life out there,
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and we haven't really looked at it. I call it
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dark matter life. You can call it what you want,
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but that's the way I see it. Does time speed up?
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Does it slow down? Maybe a little bit of both?
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It could go either way. It depends on what happens
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to the permittivity and the other cons. of these life
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forms or technologies. There can be a compression effect where
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things seem to happen faster and all of a sudden
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a couple hours go by. Or there can be this
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expansion effect where what seems to be a couple hours
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was just a few minutes. So it can kind of
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go either way. I mean, I know people have experienced
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this in crop circles, too, kind of a temporal dilation.
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Of course, you know, this is part of relativity theory, which, again,
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makes you think permittivity, permeability. I don't want people to
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misunderstand this. I'm not saying this is a complete explanation
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of all this. I'm just saying it's related. And, again,
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that is what Hal Puthoff told us at the 2018
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meeting in Vegas of SSE IRVA Groups. Society for Scientific Exploration.
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It is not a theory of everything. It is a
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theory of some. Some of what's going on. Yeah. We'll
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be back. Dr. Simeon Hine.
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Into the paranormal.
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Dr.
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Simeon Hine with us tonight. Into the Parabnormal, I'm Jeremy Scott.
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We were talking about some of these time distortions that
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are reported during these anomalous encounters. Sometimes it appears to
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go forward, sometimes it appears to go backwards. There's definitely
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some variables here. So it's changes in electromagnetic fields, permittivity,
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that really are affecting how humans perceive these events, right?
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Right.
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We're talking about, it's not just changes in the electromagnetic
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fields like the strength of the field or the frequency.
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We're talking about an entirely different I guess we'd call
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it a morphology of the electromagnetic structure. You and I
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are used to open electromagnetic fields that radiate outward, like
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radio waves, right? You just like broadcast them and they
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just keep going outward. Well, what we're talking about here
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are systems that seem to concentrate and focus electromagnetic energy inward,
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kind of like a fractal system that just repeats the
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loops at smaller and smaller scales. The Soviets called it
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a fractal bagel, hyperteroidal bagel. If you can imagine a
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bagel shape with more rings and rings within rings and
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rings within rings, like a fractal structure, that's what we're
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talking about here, is that sort of electromagnetic structure that
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points inwards and generates a lot of non-ordinary effects like
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you know, the Aron Hoffbaum effect and other effects like that.
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So yeah, that, that's what we're talking about here. And
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I think a lot of what we, I'm not saying everything,
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but a lot of what we call paranormal supernatural seems
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to have the same characteristics that we're talking about here,
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which to me suggests that it's just an entirely different
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form of life and organization. Ken Shoulder's, who was someone
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that developed micro electronic circuits for our intelligence agencies. When
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he was studying this, he called it black organizations with
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ghostly properties. It's literally what he said in his paper
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about permittivity transitions. That's what he called the paper. He
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said it was like. Within our own reality, there's a
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sub-reality of life forms and organizations that have a different
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permittivity structure. And they don't even interact with our reality
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very often. They're hidden within the same space that you
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and I are in. And sometimes you see them, and
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a lot of the times they're just transparent to us
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because they're operating at a different frequency, a different permittivity.
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essentially a different space-time structure. And this is what Hal
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Puthoff talked about in some of his lectures when he
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called it space-time metric engineering. I mean, Hal was talking
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about what OSAP found in terms of the scientific reasons
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about how UFOs can create this propulsion that they have
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without any propellant without any fuel by manipulating space-time what
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i'm making the argument here i'm just expanding it to
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say there's a type of natural space-time modulation that perhaps
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life forms use that already exist in nature and the
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ufos are just like you know fine-tuning something that it's
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not surprising that nature already has out there And that space-time,
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it's not as fixed as it seems. Einstein even wrote
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about this in 1908 and 1911 about variable speed of light.
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So it would suggest there's just more variation to the
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structure of space. I mean, again, this is what UFO
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witnesses talk about, that feeling of time moving in different ways.
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By the time they get back, it just seems like
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they've seen things that are from a different era. Like
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they visited the future and came back, things like that.
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And the general sort of kind of brain fog, I think,
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that witnesses often experience around Bigfoot encrypted. It seems to
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me sort of a similar type of process.
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And some of these are disorienting experiences, which means, you know,
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as the individuals coming out of it, you know, they're
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literally in an altered state. And that's the reason for it. Yeah,
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and Jacques Vallée has written about this a lot. That's
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why he says, as Lukatsky says, UFO experience is more
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than a UFO experience. There's just more going on there.
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And it's not easy to understand.
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As you can see, even in this interview, it's kind
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of challenging to talk about it because you and I
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are used to living our whole life with these things
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being kind of fixed. But they can become like variables
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and reality begins to seem more fluid, I would say. Jeremy,
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have you met people or talked to people that have
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experienced like time slips where they were at a location
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where they were sure there was a restaurant or a
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hotel and they go back and there's nothing there? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
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And they don't know what to make of it because
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it challenges everything that they've come to know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You you hear about you read about these cases.
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You can hear people interviewed. I had a friend that
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just happened to. She was with a bunch of friends
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coming back from water skiing on Lake Mead. in the
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Southwest and they were sure they visited a restaurant and
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they remember the music and the food. And then the
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next morning they have breakfast at their hotel. And the
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waitress says that place has been closed for 20 years.
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And they say, that's impossible where they go out and
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it's just dusty. And the doors are chained together. It wasn't,
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you know, it hasn't been an operation for decades. So
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what is that? You know, is it a collective hallucination hallucination?
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or did they really visit it in a different structure
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so that it, you know, for them, it was real again.
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I can't totally don't, don't ask me to totally explain this.
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Those were two women, right? Who, who remembered it the same.
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It turned out to be wrong, right? This was a
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friend of mine, a woman, but she was with her
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boyfriend and the guy.
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But it was, but so it was several people from
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what I'm understanding that who.
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Were four people.
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They were sharing this memory of an experience that they
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believed to be real, but it couldn't have been real
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because the place didn't exist.
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Yeah, but the way she described it to me, she
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remembered exactly the songs that were being played. And she
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said there was something weird about the place the whole time.
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You know what I mean? But, you know, they remember
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what they were being served. They were being given some
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free drinks. And they remembered all... All four of them
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described it the same way. And they all four said,
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we were there. But when the next morning the waitress said,
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you can't have been there, they run out and it's closed.
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So what... When you listen to these space-time slips, it's
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always like this. There's a pattern. And if there's a pattern,
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there's something scientific going on. I remember another case. This
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was a German– I'm sure people have heard other cases.
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I remember seeing this on TV. It was a German
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tourist that went up behind L.A. up to a ski
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resort area. I think it might have been Mount Baldy
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up there behind L.A. And he insisted he saw from
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the tram an active hotel with people going in and out.
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And when he went down, he was told it had
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burned down decades ago. And he went back up and
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it was burned down. So what is there in that scene?
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you know, location that's generating a completely different experience. Right.
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And different witnesses might perceive the same experience differently, right?
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Some could say, no, I saw, I saw a Bigfoot
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and others might say, no, it was like more of
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a Mothman or something like that.
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Well, that is exactly what you get, Jeremy. It's the same.
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Maybe it's a related sort of uh process because you
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hear and read about these witnesses and each person says
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they saw something different and some will say no it
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was like a cat another will say no it was
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a caveman right the other person will say no it
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was a gorilla They can't agree what they saw. Now,
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is it because it's modulating its appearance? Is the structure, again,
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of space time a little fluid? Or as Jay Stratton
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suggested to me once, you know, the guy that was
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in OSAP and ran the UAP, some of the UAP
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programs for Congress, right, UAP task force. He said to me,
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you know, maybe the brain is just attempting to make
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sense of something that doesn't have a consistent form.
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Right.
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What you see may not be what I'm seeing and
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vice versa.
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Dr.
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Simeon Hine with us. Into the Parabnormal continues.
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I'm Jeremy Scott.
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All right. So Dr. Simeon Hine with us tonight.
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We've been talking about a variety of different, I guess,
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things that don't have a consistent form.
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And so Dr.
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As we were talking about perception, people who are experiencing
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these things may perceive them either the same as we
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as we've heard or differently. And that is because what
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the brain is trying to adapt to what it is
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seeing something that is doesn't have a consistent form. And
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each brain is not the same. Therefore, one person could
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see it differently than another.
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Right. I mean, you're doing this sort of thing anyway,
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every moment your brain is attempting to make sense of
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the reality around you. And you're, I mean, the studies
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seem to show you're only perceiving about a fraction of
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a percent of what's around you anyway. The rest of
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it is being generated by your brain based on what
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it's familiar with. You're not really seeing reality for what
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it is. So if there are other things out there
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that are beyond the typical, consensus reality, objects, life forms,
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processes that we talk about, your brain is going to
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attempt to adapt it to what it's familiar with. And
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some of those types of phenomena just could be well
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beyond anything we've ever really talked about very much. And
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that might explain why the same group of witnesses will
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01:04:10.590 --> 01:04:17.590
describe Bigfoot very differently. And why it's such a shocking thing,
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01:04:17.630 --> 01:04:20.449
because first, you haven't had much education about this topic.
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01:04:20.489 --> 01:04:24.920
So when you encounter something like that, you know, the
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01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.139
accounts 100 years ago, they would call them escaped gorillas,
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01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.920
because that's kind of the only thing they could think
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01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.469
of what they were. Obviously, the other names were mountain
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01:04:35.590 --> 01:04:39.519
devils or wild men, you know. things like that, because
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they simply didn't know what they were. We still don't
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01:04:42.219 --> 01:04:44.719
really know who or exactly what they are. I mean,
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they're intelligent. They bartered with Native American tribes. They have
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01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:53.900
a language, as we know, from Ron Moorhead and the
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01:04:53.940 --> 01:04:56.340
Sierra Sounds, and there's a movie coming out about it
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01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.699
called Voices in the Wilderness from the same people that
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made Flash of Beauty movies, Paranormal Bigfoot and Bigfoot Revealed.
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01:05:04.929 --> 01:05:07.570
In the Bigfoot Revealed, you have these psychologists talking about
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01:05:08.670 --> 01:05:12.469
Another response that people have to phenomena like this, it's
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to forget about it within a few minutes. The brain
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can shut down the memory so quickly that you won't
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01:05:19.469 --> 01:05:23.170
even remember you forgot something. And so I often wonder, Jeremy,
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01:05:23.210 --> 01:05:25.849
whether more people experience what we're talking about and don't
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01:05:25.929 --> 01:05:30.530
remember it consciously than maybe like in a conversation like this.
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01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:34.869
they might remember it or a friend mentioned something. But
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01:05:34.909 --> 01:05:39.780
I mean, I've heard people describe seeing a cryptid driving
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01:05:39.860 --> 01:05:43.019
home and forgetting about it within 10 minutes until a
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friend reminded them what they had just seen, right? So
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01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:50.159
our brain has a lot of defense mechanisms. It keeps
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us going every day. It makes reality consistent enough for
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01:05:54.949 --> 01:05:56.809
us to make sense of it. But the cost is
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01:05:57.670 --> 01:06:00.349
we're deleting a lot of what's around us. And I
984
01:06:00.409 --> 01:06:02.630
think what we're deleting are a lot of these types
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01:06:02.670 --> 01:06:05.110
of phenomena that we're talking about tonight because they're not
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01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:07.309
easy to understand and it's not easy to talk about
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01:06:07.329 --> 01:06:11.889
with other people. So how does remote viewing fit into
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01:06:11.929 --> 01:06:13.880
this model, Dr.
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01:06:13.909 --> 01:06:14.139
Hein?
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01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.719
Well, remote viewing gives you access to types of information
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01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.679
that don't consciously make sense because it's not coming from
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01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.079
the conscious mind. You're getting this RV data from another
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01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.340
type of unconscious process in your mind that's able to
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01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:35.980
perceive things before your conscious mind has given it pictures
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01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:39.800
or words. So it can reveal things that are subtle,
996
01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:43.969
that you're not really, can't really make sense of consciously,
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01:06:44.010 --> 01:06:47.389
but you can still write down information about shapes and
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01:06:47.429 --> 01:06:50.409
colors and locations and things like that. So it's a
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01:06:50.449 --> 01:06:53.150
way to almost go around the conscious mind to get
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01:06:53.170 --> 01:06:57.469
information information about topics that you might not even believe in.
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01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:59.079
I think that's what it does, Jeremy, for a lot
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01:06:59.099 --> 01:07:02.480
of people. And by the way, I just mentioned, I'm
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teaching starting my five, a five week online class this
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01:07:05.590 --> 01:07:08.829
Sunday for anyone's listening. Now, if they're interested, just feel
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01:07:08.849 --> 01:07:10.789
free to get in contact with me about it. But
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01:07:10.829 --> 01:07:14.329
I think that's what it does is it, it, it, it,
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01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.789
kind of expands your awareness because you don't know what
1008
01:07:18.829 --> 01:07:20.769
you're viewing. And so you're just doing your best to
1009
01:07:20.809 --> 01:07:23.610
describe it. And it could be turned out to be
1010
01:07:23.650 --> 01:07:26.610
something that's not even something you would have consciously thought
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01:07:26.650 --> 01:07:28.719
is real, but there you are, you described it.
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01:07:28.849 --> 01:07:29.329
So, yeah.
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01:07:30.010 --> 01:07:34.820
So how does a remote viewing actually work then? Well,
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01:07:34.900 --> 01:07:36.139
as best system.
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01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:38.599
Yeah.
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01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:41.690
So the way, the way I think of it is,
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01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.320
There are like on a radio dial of an old
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01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:48.469
fashioned radio. There's a lot of channels out there, but
1019
01:07:48.510 --> 01:07:51.070
you're listening to one at a time. Like listeners listening
1020
01:07:51.090 --> 01:07:51.909
to us live right now.
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01:07:52.130 --> 01:07:52.329
Right.
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01:07:52.449 --> 01:07:54.969
You're aware that there are a thousand other podcasts being
1023
01:07:55.010 --> 01:07:57.780
broadcast around the planet. But you're listening to this one.
1024
01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:01.039
It doesn't mean the other ones aren't real. You're not
1025
01:08:01.099 --> 01:08:03.760
tuned into those right now. And that's the way our
1026
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.460
mind works. And we were just talking about this a
1027
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.309
couple seconds ago. That's the way our conscious mind works.
1028
01:08:08.670 --> 01:08:11.829
It's tuned into a couple frequencies of colors and sound
1029
01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:16.010
and so forth. Everyone knows we're only perceiving a fraction
1030
01:08:16.069 --> 01:08:20.319
of the electromagnetic spectrum, right? All the colors and... And
1031
01:08:21.220 --> 01:08:25.560
experiences we have are just a fraction physically, a fraction
1032
01:08:25.579 --> 01:08:28.880
of what's out there on the electromagnetic spectrum. So there's
1033
01:08:28.899 --> 01:08:31.550
just a lot more information out there and it's coming
1034
01:08:31.590 --> 01:08:33.609
into our senses, but we're not conscious of it. And
1035
01:08:33.649 --> 01:08:36.890
the way RV works is it gets you to get
1036
01:08:37.149 --> 01:08:41.729
out of your thinking mind for a spell. No, no
1037
01:08:41.770 --> 01:08:44.859
pun intended there just for a spell of time. And.
1038
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.380
describe something that's very subtle. It's like a very subtle
1039
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:52.850
screen at the back of your mind. It's not 3D
1040
01:08:52.930 --> 01:08:55.470
images like people might think. It's not like a loud signal.
1041
01:08:55.510 --> 01:08:58.670
This is very subtle information and you're just trained to
1042
01:08:58.710 --> 01:09:02.229
write it down and not second guess yourself and just
1043
01:09:02.270 --> 01:09:05.380
keep describing. And somehow when you're done with these sessions,
1044
01:09:05.460 --> 01:09:08.520
it's still amazing to me that it works. But I have,
1045
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:12.520
you know, on my websites, you can see examples of
1046
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.880
sessions that people have done. LearnRV.org or any of the
1047
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.869
other sites I have. And Somehow people are able to
1048
01:09:20.989 --> 01:09:23.829
very accurately describe a picture in a folder that they
1049
01:09:23.869 --> 01:09:27.829
haven't seen yet, or even a very distant location that
1050
01:09:27.869 --> 01:09:31.430
the picture indicates something about, but it doesn't give all
1051
01:09:31.449 --> 01:09:33.640
the full detail. But when you take time to verify it,
1052
01:09:33.670 --> 01:09:37.470
the person was correct. So it's a real surprising thing
1053
01:09:37.510 --> 01:09:39.949
that it works at all, given how busy our minds are,
1054
01:09:40.050 --> 01:09:42.609
all of us every day doing what we do, that
1055
01:09:42.649 --> 01:09:45.380
there's any bandwidth left over just to roam around the
1056
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:48.100
universe and look at something far away. But it has
1057
01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:52.300
that ability. It just shows we're like universal transceivers and
1058
01:09:52.340 --> 01:09:52.979
nobody told you.
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01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:53.500
Right.
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01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.600
You just have abilities. Basically, Jeremy, you have abilities nobody
1061
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.140
told you about. That's that's the simplest way to put it.
1062
01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:01.520
All right. And we'll pause and wrap up our conversation
1063
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when we come back.
1064
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:02.520
Dr.
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01:10:02.619 --> 01:10:06.239
Simeon Hyde tonight. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
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I'm Jeremy Scott.
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Into the paranormal.
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01:10:26.989 --> 01:10:30.010
I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
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01:10:30.029 --> 01:10:34.810
We're with Dr. Simeon Hine tonight. Another great conversation that
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01:10:34.850 --> 01:10:35.770
we've had with Dr.
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01:10:35.810 --> 01:10:36.140
Hine.
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01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.319
Make sure you search the archives if you haven't heard
1073
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:43.840
our previous conversations. And check out his books. I've got
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01:10:43.899 --> 01:10:46.720
Dark Matter Monsters here. The others are good as well.
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01:10:49.140 --> 01:10:51.260
You studied remote viewing?
1076
01:10:51.819 --> 01:10:55.989
How? Or through who? I heard a guy named Dr.
1077
01:10:56.029 --> 01:10:58.770
Courtney Brown talking about it, who people might be familiar with,
1078
01:10:59.250 --> 01:11:02.670
who ran the Farsight Institute in Atlanta. He happened to
1079
01:11:02.750 --> 01:11:06.520
be trained by someone who had been in the government
1080
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:11.199
RV program. So when it was declassified, this person started
1081
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:16.050
teaching us. That was Major Ed Dames, who unfortunately passed
1082
01:11:16.310 --> 01:11:22.029
on a few weeks ago. And he was one of
1083
01:11:22.069 --> 01:11:24.060
the people that started, I think he might've been one
1084
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:26.079
of the first people to start teaching it. It was never,
1085
01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:31.020
the protocols were never classified. So he could teach it
1086
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.060
and he taught Courtney and Courtney said, wow, this is
1087
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.850
an amazing thing. Courtney, you know, as a political scientist,
1088
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:37.750
I got to teach this too. So I learned it
1089
01:11:37.810 --> 01:11:40.529
from him and I became a teacher at his Institute. And,
1090
01:11:40.750 --> 01:11:43.810
you know, I was kind of decent at doing these
1091
01:11:43.909 --> 01:11:47.590
RV sessions. I could explain it. I'd been teaching. I
1092
01:11:47.609 --> 01:11:51.560
was a, PhD. I'd been teaching statistics. It was a
1093
01:11:51.739 --> 01:11:55.810
really surprising thing. And it totally went again. You wouldn't
1094
01:11:55.859 --> 01:11:58.609
believe it would work if you hadn't. I mean, if
1095
01:11:58.649 --> 01:12:00.630
you're like most of us who've been to school systems,
1096
01:12:00.989 --> 01:12:02.390
most of us have been to, you wouldn't have believed
1097
01:12:02.409 --> 01:12:04.989
such a thing was even possible. I didn't, but it
1098
01:12:05.029 --> 01:12:07.510
really did work. And you could see on your own sessions,
1099
01:12:07.550 --> 01:12:12.140
you were getting a lot of really accurate information. Let
1100
01:12:12.149 --> 01:12:13.979
me give you an example though, just going back to
1101
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.140
what we're saying before Jeremy, have you ever seen a
1102
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:19.829
hypnosis demonstration? I have once or twice.
1103
01:12:19.850 --> 01:12:20.050
Yeah.
1104
01:12:21.210 --> 01:12:25.380
Yeah. So, I mean, you've seen people like the hypnotist
1105
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.039
will say, you know, speak French and this person's never
1106
01:12:28.100 --> 01:12:30.939
spoken French before, but they can, you know, or that
1107
01:12:31.140 --> 01:12:32.920
you're as hard as a board and the hypnotist will
1108
01:12:32.939 --> 01:12:36.539
like walk across them, stuff like that. It just shows
1109
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.859
that we have a bigger potential than we're really aware of.
1110
01:12:39.979 --> 01:12:43.710
And if you, you know, regulate that, control that like
1111
01:12:43.750 --> 01:12:47.829
a hypnotist does directly to the unconscious mind or whatever, whatever's,
1112
01:12:48.670 --> 01:12:50.989
doing that, that you can do things you didn't think
1113
01:12:51.029 --> 01:12:54.050
you can do. And RV is one of those, believe
1114
01:12:54.090 --> 01:12:56.090
it or not. It's just, you're much more than you
1115
01:12:56.449 --> 01:13:00.529
think you are. And even me, myself, you're surprised. You
1116
01:13:00.550 --> 01:13:05.800
surprise yourself that you have a greater capacity to connect
1117
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:10.260
with your environment than you think you do. It could
1118
01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:13.739
just be a survival instinct, but we're connected in some
1119
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:18.029
way to What we call non-local information. I think the
1120
01:13:18.050 --> 01:13:22.449
statistics show that RV gets better results than it should
1121
01:13:22.489 --> 01:13:27.819
if people were just guessing. And the exact mechanism, I mean,
1122
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.199
I think I mentioned the Iran-Hov-Bohm effect before. It could
1123
01:13:30.220 --> 01:13:34.090
be Iran-Hov-Bohm effect, something like that. Because it works in
1124
01:13:34.130 --> 01:13:37.109
the absence of electromagnetic signals. They put people in submarines
1125
01:13:37.170 --> 01:13:40.500
and they're still doing remote viewing way below the water
1126
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.399
with no electromagnetic signals. So it's not like a radio,
1127
01:13:43.739 --> 01:13:47.539
but it's something like, you know, analogous, like mental radio,
1128
01:13:47.739 --> 01:13:54.170
like Upton Sinclair called it. So you view it a UFO. Yeah,
1129
01:13:54.210 --> 01:13:55.949
that's kind of, Jeremy, that's sort of what gets you
1130
01:13:55.989 --> 01:13:58.970
going in this direction. You know, your monitor can give
1131
01:13:58.989 --> 01:14:00.890
you any target in the world. Now, you trust that
1132
01:14:00.909 --> 01:14:03.069
they're going to give you something that's worth spending some
1133
01:14:03.109 --> 01:14:06.609
time on. And that has some degree of verification when
1134
01:14:06.659 --> 01:14:08.800
you're done. If it's something way out in the galaxy,
1135
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:10.539
you won't know if you were right or just making
1136
01:14:10.579 --> 01:14:14.279
it all up. But yeah, you can view UFOs. And
1137
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:16.600
once a person locks onto the target, you can have
1138
01:14:16.659 --> 01:14:21.060
them go inside the craft mentally, right, in their imagination
1139
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:26.369
and see what they see in there. describe the occupants
1140
01:14:26.430 --> 01:14:29.930
and so forth. We've done that. And, you know, sometimes
1141
01:14:29.949 --> 01:14:32.340
you get done with these sessions, Jeremy, it, you know,
1142
01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:36.100
it felt pretty real, just like viewing the Eiffel tower
1143
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.279
or the Washington monument. And you're kind of wondering, Whoa,
1144
01:14:39.340 --> 01:14:42.720
I mean, was I really inside a UFO, at least mentally,
1145
01:14:43.060 --> 01:14:46.550
you know, perceiving the perceptions of being there. I don't
1146
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.069
think you actually go there, but you're getting the signals
1147
01:14:49.170 --> 01:14:49.810
from it, you know?
1148
01:14:50.750 --> 01:14:51.069
So, yeah.
1149
01:14:51.899 --> 01:14:53.960
I viewed them and other people have, and it's a
1150
01:14:53.979 --> 01:14:58.359
very interesting experience. It feels different than ordinary types of target.
1151
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.909
So there was a recent claim that came back into
1152
01:15:02.949 --> 01:15:09.569
the limelight that Pat Price had viewed bases where these UFOs.
1153
01:15:09.909 --> 01:15:10.130
Yeah.
1154
01:15:10.529 --> 01:15:14.390
Yeah. What were your thoughts on that? Well, you know,
1155
01:15:14.409 --> 01:15:17.640
I gave a lecture about that to SSC. It's if
1156
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:20.279
people go to my website, it's like what remote viewing
1157
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:23.949
tells us about UFOs. ETs and UFOs. I think that's
1158
01:15:23.989 --> 01:15:26.390
the title. I talked about that. Other people have talked
1159
01:15:26.409 --> 01:15:28.680
about it. So the story about that is Pat Price
1160
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.539
wasn't tasked to view ET bases. He came down one day,
1161
01:15:32.579 --> 01:15:36.119
according to Russell Tard and Hal Puthoff. He just came
1162
01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:38.100
one day and said, yeah, I viewed these four bases.
1163
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:40.909
Here they are. Now, the thing about Pat is he
1164
01:15:40.949 --> 01:15:43.989
was really accurate. I was told by one government viewer
1165
01:15:44.029 --> 01:15:46.069
that whatever he viewed, you could take to the bank.
1166
01:15:47.090 --> 01:15:51.529
I mean, he was so good. The CIA had him
1167
01:15:51.569 --> 01:15:53.550
viewing for them. They kind of stole him away from
1168
01:15:53.569 --> 01:15:58.800
the SRI program. He was working for companies finding oil
1169
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:01.619
and stuff like that. He was really good. And he
1170
01:16:01.659 --> 01:16:03.859
came in and said he had discovered these four bases
1171
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:08.460
around the earth. You know, Mount Hayes, Alaska, Mount Zeal
1172
01:16:09.500 --> 01:16:15.140
in Australia, one in the Pyrenees and one in somewhere
1173
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:20.560
in Africa, in one of the mountainous regions. And they
1174
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:24.350
had other viewers look at these to kind of confirm it.
1175
01:16:24.390 --> 01:16:26.750
Joe McMonagle was one of the viewers that looked at
1176
01:16:26.810 --> 01:16:29.909
the Pat Price faces. I remember Joe giving us a
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01:16:29.989 --> 01:16:33.329
lecture about it, how he had confirmed that these were there.
1178
01:16:34.109 --> 01:16:36.510
It doesn't, again, prove it. We haven't sent anyone to
1179
01:16:36.569 --> 01:16:42.250
look there. But, you know, Mount Zeal did have its
1180
01:16:42.310 --> 01:16:43.569
share of UFO sightings.
1181
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:44.060
So, I mean.
1182
01:16:45.460 --> 01:16:48.350
It's really hard to say. It could be it. You
1183
01:16:48.369 --> 01:16:50.130
could just have to say Pat was a good viewer.
1184
01:16:50.149 --> 01:16:52.109
Maybe it's accurate. I think that's the best you could
1185
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do with it. It's a kind of it's like what
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Stanton Friedman would say. I kind of put it in
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my gray box. I'm open to believing it's possible. You
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need a little more. You need more evidence. But Pat
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was good and he seldom made stuff up. So who knows?
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Sure.
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And and actually the UFO files have have they disappointed
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you or as as anything piques your interest in those.
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The one that the Trump administration is releasing.
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Yeah, those official government files, I guess, are coming out now.
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I like seeing these. I mean, these are not like,
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you know, earth shattering cases like the real truth about Roswell.
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You know, I think some of us, after investigating these
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cases for many years, would like to really know what
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the government knows about it. Phoenix Lights, right?
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97, Kecksburg.
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Sixty five. I mean, there's some famous cases. Regina, you know,
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the James Fox movie, you know, Moment of Contact. I mean,
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there's some good cases out there with lots of witnesses.
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And I think some of us would like to know
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what the government knows about that, that they haven't shared.
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We have a jelly. What are the jellyfish ones? Well,
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in my view, those could be what I call dark
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matter life forms. I mean, it wouldn't be surprising there's
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other types of life out there that we're still not
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all that familiar with that can hide from us some
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of the time we don't see them. The other explanation
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is there's some sort of reconnaissance platform that some countries
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developed that just dangled down like that. But no, to
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answer your question, Jeremy, I'm not disappointed by them. I mean,
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there's still information. I mean, there's not a lot of context.
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We're being shown videos with not much more information, which
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is not all that useful.
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Just.
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showing that some people call these disclosure dots. I mean,
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I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at in a
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lot of these, but some of them are pretty intriguing looking.
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And I'm kind of wondering whether the federal government is
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conditioning people for a a kind of a bigger release
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at a later time by showing them lots of stuff,
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some of which could be prosaic explanations, and some of
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which can be really strange objects, unknowns, unknown unknowns. They
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could be things we don't really understand. So maybe it's
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better than not having anything. At least no one's making
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fun of them, okay? So it's a step forward. No
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one's laughing now. Yeah, that's a big change. Well, Dr. Hines,
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so appreciate you coming on the program. It was great
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to talk with you. I can tell the audience your
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YouTube channel, your website, name of your books, all that.
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Yeah, sure.
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So my YouTube channel is Fractal Friend, Fractal Friend, or
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my name's Simeon Hine. You can find my books, Dark
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01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:58.500
Matter Monsters, Opening Minds, Black Swan Ghosts. You know, I
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can send you copies. If you go to my websites,
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you can get a signed copy or you can get
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them on Amazon. My RV site is LearnRV.org. And I'm
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sure Jeremy will list some of the other sites there, simianhein.com. Sure.
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But feel free to get, you know, feel free to
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contact me, share your stories. I'm always interested in learning more. Yeah, folks,
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we'll find those up in the episode links.
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Those will go up tonight after the episode posts.
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So appreciate you coming on, Dr. Hein, and best to you.
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Thanks very much, Jeremy. We'll talk soon. Absolutely. From the cold,
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dark depths of a secret dungeon, somewhere deep in the
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remote Pacific Northwest, until we talk to you next time,
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somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal, I'm Jeremy Scott.
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01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:47.899
Paranormalradio.com, our website, and we're on Facebook, X, and Instagram.
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01:20:48.340 --> 01:20:50.359
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Thank you.