Ep. #899: Oregon Ghost Conference 2026

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Five four three two one. When the lights go down
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low and the Woolves speak into house. From somewhere between
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the paranormal and the abnormal, you're entering into the pair abnormal.
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There's a parallel universe.
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There, there are separations. While we perceive truer reality over
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the cape, let the truth renown's all a mist without
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into the pair of nome, into the parent dome, into
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the paran.
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Corosso at a movie set, and we welcome you to
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the Oregon Ghost Conference in seaside. I'm Jeremy's got somewhere
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between the paranormal and the abnormal. It is the Oregon
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Ghost Conference here in Seaside, fourteenth Daniel. We're so glad
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to be here and so glad to be talking about
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all these weird and abnormal subjects that we discuss on
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a nightly basis. It's good to have a crowd out
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here with this beautiful day here in Seaside. It's definitely
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a spring afternoon, so bring a jacket because you need
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it by nightfall. But the afternoons are just absolutely gorgeous
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out here. We've got some impromptu guests who are joining me.
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Sometimes we meet folks as we're here, we make connections
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and we decided to invite them on the radio show.
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And that is the case with Eugene Springfield Paranormal Investigations.
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That's about two hours south of the Portland area where
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I'm front. We have Robert, we have Celested Good afternoon too,
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both of you. So you are a fairly new investigative
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team from what I understand. When did you form?
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About a year ago was when we had a collective.
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We had a small group of us and then kind
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of teetered off and then reconnected with more people via
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Facebook and we've grown and turned it into a whole group.
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Yeah, did you have a paranormal experience or something? What
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country started in this?
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So?
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I had grown up doing investigations on the East Coast
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with my dad.
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I kind of drug us around to a bunch of
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Civil War sites and places and some ceretaries and stuff,
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and it was always kind of fun and interesting. And
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then when I was once I moved to Oregon, I
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was like I kind of want to get back into it,
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and had met some like minded folks and then forming
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this group. We kind of all met on a Facebook
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group for paranormal stuff happening in Eugene, Springfield, and we
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had like a meet up, get together, get a little closer. Yes,
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So then we got a we got a like a
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meat meet up, meet and greet. And then I actually
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just put a call up on Facebook. I was like, hey,
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anybody in this area experienced anything paranormal? And we got
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contacted by a local bar. I was like, Hey, we've
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got some weird, really weird things. We'd love someone to
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come out and investigate. And so we put a team
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of eight people together and here, you know, eight or
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nine people, and here we are.
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What's the story with the bar?
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So the story with.
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The bar, It's had various owners over the past several years.
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It's changed hands multiple times.
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It has a lot of history, I mean a lot
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of history of fatal car crashes.
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It's right off the I five corridor.
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Not crashes in the building, but nearby nearby.
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So there's so there's an exit right off I five
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in goshen Or that leads off to Highway ninety nine
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right where this bar is, just that that corner.
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There's so many accidents.
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Just what I'm hearing is that death has a lot
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to do with the paranormal very much.
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So, you know, you know, you wanna you wanna feel
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a paranormal you gotta give up the ghosts.
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I guess right, what's your take on it? Do you
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think that all the time these are ghosts or maybe
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there's something else at play, like some sort of residual
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I think so.
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I work in healthcare and i've I've started working recently
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in hospice and thank you. Yeah, I I feel residual
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energy whole, like buildings and themselves and different elements around
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on you know, our earth, they hold it holds energy
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and energies everywhere, and so it's like a radio broadcasting
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in a sense, is what my take on it.
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A lot is there more activity around those who are
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in their final days they're going to pass. Maybe they're
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surrounded by angels or spirits or something like that.
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I would say so.
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I think a lot of it.
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Also play.
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People's different faiths and cultures, background they come from play
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a lot into their final moments and their final days
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and kind of are a catalyst of the energy that surrounds.
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Them, apparitions hanging around.
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I worked in a long term care facility.
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Yes, I have multi Yeah, we we would a small
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group of us CNAs.
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We were like who's working nights and we're like us
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pick us.
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Most of the activity was at night.
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Yeah, and you would have a sniff is like a
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skilled nursing facility. So we would have long term care
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patients and then we would also have rehab. They're coming
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in on like a total knee replacement or a hip replacement,
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and so they don't have any diagnosis of like dementia
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or Alzheimer's. They're just there because they're getting rehab for
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their surgery. And we would have them both patient, both
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kinds of patients seeing the same things in our building.
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So are these people who had their final breast there
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or maybe people coming back to visit those who are
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on their deathbed?
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I would both Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What kind of methods do you guys use? And how
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does that differ from other paranormal teams out there?
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So we have kind of a different We have quite
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a few mediums in our group, and so one of
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the things that we do is we split off split
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up phases, so we don't just do one investigation. We
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have multiple different phases and we don't we have like
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various different teams chat so like if you're going on
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one phase, you don't go in the second phase that
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kind of thing.
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Because that can cloud your It's kind of like a
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blind study in a sense of like what does one
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teams findings compare to team two's findings and kind of
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like establishing how how much is how much is real
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and if there's anything like that can be comparable and trying.
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It's hard to explain.
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Because well, somebody might feel something and then somebody else
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may go in and not get the same feeling. And
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that's why it's important to do that.
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But the case with the bar specifically, there's people would walk,
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mediums would walk in. The first thing everyone, all the
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mediums would say was as a woman that hangs out
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in the corner in the very back corner of this bar.
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And it was the first thing they would say as
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soon as they walk in the door. They hadn't interacted
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with each other, they were just winning completely blind. That's
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always the first thing people picked up. Born are we
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naming this bar local Losers Lounge?
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Local Losers? Yes, Local Losers lounge, place where I would
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like to hang out. I'm a local loser.
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It's actually a pretty fun place, so I do highly
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recommend it.
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They do karaoke, they do they do juke box.
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I actually sing there every week.
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Oh really, I do one night Wednesdays, okay six six
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to nine. Well I'm on the air then. But maybe
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one of these days we'll get down there to hang out.
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What kind of activity has happened here? We got a
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minute left.
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So they've had like things moving, They've had like they
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said as a video, the trash can led just kind
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of like rights off the top of the trash can.
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They have this big solid steel door that is like
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really heavy and it's like opening and closing by itself.
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And we went there with a construction worker to debunk down.
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Did you feel anything weird when you were there?
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I I was trying to focus mainly on like collecting
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any type of EVPs or I go in a lot
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of times with au a camera. The Oh my gosh,
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my brain.
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Is so tired.
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Sorry, welcome the polaroid camera and collect evidence.
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Uh that way, Polaroid. That's an interesting choice, so almost
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on the spot ghost photography.
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Yeah, kind of like so it's it's harder to like,
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there's so many different apps and things that can.
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That could people be like, oh that's fake, that's a I.
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Yeah, and whatnot?
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And so ploid Is from Eugene Springfield Paranormal Investigators. We
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have Robert and Celest joining us. Thank you for being
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my guest here at the Oregon Ghost Conference, and we'll
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continue our live broadcast with Fright Life Paranormal coming up
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next year. From seaside, I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the
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paranormal and the abnormal.
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Into the pair abnormal normal Normal.
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From seaside, the organ Ghost Conference continues, who were joined
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by Joss and Monique Rose from Fright Life Paranormal. Good afternoon,
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both of you. How are you doing?
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Hello?
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Well, yeah, we're having a great time.
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First, yell us about the podcast and where we can
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find it.
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So we are frid Life Paranormal. You can find us
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on pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts or Freightlife
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Paranormal dot com.
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We've also recently joined ground zero Radio Network ground zero plus.
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Oh, good friend, Clyde Lewis. Yes, so you guys, from
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what I understand, at least both of you grew up
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in Oregon City.
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Is that right?
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Yes, so you're very familiar with the Rockies to Orianagans, Shenanigans,
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we can call them Shenanigans. I think we can get
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away with out both friends with Rocky. So what do
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you know about the area and its paranormal history?
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Boy, that's a broad question.
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Well, we know, yeah, quite, We're looking into quite a bit.
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We've definitely been interested in the paranormal since growing up
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in Oregon City and knowing and feeling and picking up
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that it is a haunted hotspot and you know the
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history of the Organ.
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Trail, the geographical layout.
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I think really contributes to to those hauntings. And I've
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been interested since you know, about second grade.
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In all of that is that when you saw your
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first ghost.
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No, I didn't actually see any, but I felt them everywhere,
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And I joke about kind of inventing some in elementary
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school just because the spooky lore surrounding the area was
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so interesting. And then I realized I better start actually
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researching these things and telling real stories because there are
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plenty to go around.
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What about you, Jos, what was your Did you have
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paranormal experiences as a child, Uh.
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Not that I can remember, But my dad was really
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into this stuff and I spent a lot of nights
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listening to Coast to Coast with my dad, and so
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my initial fascination with the paranormal started with like UFOs
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and extraterrestrial type things. So when we started our podcast,
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we had kind of conflicting ideas about where we should focus.
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So where should we focus? Have you guys come to
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an agreement on that?
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We haven't.
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We've sort of switched places.
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So now I am hard pressed to find a haunting
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case I want to cover because I am so interested
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in UFO's UAP and extra dimensional beings, extradimensional beings. That
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is my jam right now. And when we started, I
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was not wanting to touch on any of that.
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Yeah, So you kind of converted her a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, But now like I'm very interested in in
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like ghosts and hauntings and like psychic and telepathy and
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all that kind of stuff. So it's there's definitely been
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a little bit of a switcheroo, as they say.
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Because that's how the aliens can communicate rights through the telepathy.
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Yeah, totally.
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Do ghosts communicate the same way?
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I think?
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So?
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Yeah, I think theoretically that's how a lot of people
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pick up on messages from you know, past loved ones
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and you know, passed on people.
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It's all energy stuff, right, you know, so you like
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the Halloween shows and the EVP shows on Art Bell Show.
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Oh yeah, Like I think my dad kind of.
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Sheltered me from those ones a little bit because he
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was concerned that it might be turned on rock and
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roll or something. Yeah exactly, Yeah blasted Neil Young in
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the car instead of the real scary stuff. But for
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whatever reason, he was like, oh, alien abductions are fine,
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we'll listen to this.
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So I have a.
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Real phobia of you know, looking out windows into the
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darkness and just.
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Expecting an alien head to possible.
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So if you both still never had a paranormal experience, I.
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Have, Yeah, we have sense. And I started to growing
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up just after I became interested, and then it's sort
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of validated that curiosity and I was like, okay, there
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is something to this.
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So what was the first one?
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So I started to hear noises at my grandparents' house,
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with multi generational home in Oregon City. We all lived
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there at some point or another, and I started to
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hear footsteps and some strange you know, knocks and clicks
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and interesting things, and I knew there was something spooky
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about it, but didn't really talk much about it until
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I walked up and heard my aunts and my mom,
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so the generation before me, all talking about what they
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had heard the night before and excitedly agreeing with one another,
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and I was like, Oh, this is a haunted house.
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There is something to this.
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They just kept it to themselves and I kind of
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caught them in the act of conversing about it.
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Did you become more aware to your surroundings at that point?
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Yes?
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Absolutely.
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I think that that those experiences then open us up
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to that broader you know, making sure you pull back
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and look at things in a different way and analyze
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things and are you're more open to Hey, this could
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be something otherworldly, something unexplained.
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What was your introduction?
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Uh?
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So, it's kind of a funny story, like I never
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had like any real experiences growing up. But when my
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grandfather passed away, did he come visit you? So he
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had this funny joke that he was He worked in
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trucking and shipping, and so he would always have packing
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peanuts like randomly like stuck to his clothes, in his
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pockets whatever.
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And he used to say that they were ghost poops.
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Oh and ghost poops.
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Yes, So so, I mean.
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Ghosts are white white, they wear sheet so they poop white.
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The logic tracks, Okay, great following now.
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So he would always joke about that with me, and
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that's like one of that's like a core memory for me.
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And then years later, after you passed away, I started
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finding these packing peanuts places that you would never there's
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no reason for it.
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So I don't know if that's a sign from him or.
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Or they've never turned ghost. What's the strangest place they've
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ever turned up?
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So I'm a I'm a collector of nick knacks. I
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have a ton of little things and they're all shoved
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in drawers places and.
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She hates it.
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But I very recently I was digging looking for I
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guess screwdriver something and one of my many drawers of
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random things, and there's a packing pin in there, and
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there just really shouldn't have been Did you put it there?
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And I honestly haven't seen one of those. We wouldn't
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have come across any that's not really how they how
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you pack things anymore? Can we get boxes from you know,
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Amazon or whatever? Yeah, So that's interesting.
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I don't know.
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And that was just a couple of months ago, so weird.
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It's still I find them.
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Okay, So you guys have found some classic cases and
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you kind of revisit them on your podcast, and one
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of those is the Eileen More Lighthouse you actually presented
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about that. Is that the correct way of saying it.
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Yeah, So we did a talk in the main room
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yesterday about the Aileen mort Lighthouse which is located where
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that's in Scotland, just off the coast, and there was
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three lighthouse keepers that vanished mysteriously. Spoilers, We have not
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recorded that episode yet, so that will be a future
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release in a couple of weeks.
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But this happened well over one hundred years ago, right
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when lighthouses were still in service.
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of that one.
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Now what makes it mysterious as far as their disappearance,
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Did they all go missing separately or together or what?
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the light on and when their relief keepers showed up,
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no one was in the lighthouse. And that is something
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that is the most mysterious about it is if something
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had happened, an accident, an incident where perhaps the weather
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or a rogue wave which our theories had taken them
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out off the cliff into the icy waters. The third
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keeper should have, no matter what, stayed inside to maintain
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the lighthouse and keep it on.
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Theoretically, they could have all left together, maybe to investigate
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something that's right, to help someone, right, yep.
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And but the main thing that makes it, you know,
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possibly paranormal is the folklore of the island, basically things
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about water sprites, fay, a lot of superstitious folklore around those.
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Flannin Aisles.
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Never found any bodies, did they?
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No, they did not.
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Yeah, that's a that's definitely a strange thing because it's
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you know, the islands are off the coast of Scotland,
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but not too far that the bodies would not have
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washed up. So it was very expected that they would
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have washed ashore at some point. And they're I've never been.
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In the last one hundred and twenty six years, right,
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and they haven't at least. We'll pause with Josep Monique
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Rose from Fright Life Paranormal joining us here at the
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Oregon Ghost Conference. I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal
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and the abnormal. We'll be right back. I think the
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Pacific Northwest is a perfect place for ghost stories.
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It is a popular belief that many lighthouses out there
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are haunted.
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What our ghosts. We still don't know what ghosts are.
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And the big question is how can they do what
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they do.
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There's a lot of history and Seaside a lot of
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history and Seaside we do live with a We call
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her a mat Bridge tender and Seaside is one of
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the more haunted places.
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He is an entity that stays downstairs.
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You see he's wishing by patient. There's a hallway here
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that can center that we were always told was haunted.
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At rediscussed the subjects that defy exploitations into the pair
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of normal.
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Yeah, there is a hallway. It's the back hallway here
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at the Seaside Civic and Convention Center, where there have
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been known to be a paranormal occurrence time or two.
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Johnson Monique Rose from Fright Life Paranormal with us and
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we're talking about the Eileen Moore Lighthouse on the mystical
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Scottish Isle of Eileen Moore, the lighthouse keepers who disappeared
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in under suspicious circumstances in nineteen hundred. So is the
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lighthouse itself haunted?
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That is an interesting question and I, according to my
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research I did read about some reports from later keepers
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who would hear whispers and men's voices, disembodied voices, and
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even the names of those missing keeps kind of floating in.
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On the wind all very how do we explain that?
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I mean, it's unexplainable. Yeah, that's part of it.
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Yeah, yeah, so it certainly makes it the most interesting.
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So why share this story?
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I wanted to share this story.
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It's been something that's interested me for years. I do
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love an unsolved mystery. Well, I love hate and unsolved mystery,
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because I'd love to solve it, right, But there's just
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something so fun about just telling the story and speculating
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and not really having that answer, just keeping the conversation alive.
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But also where we are.
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We're at the Organ.
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Coast, and lighthouses in this area are also haunted.
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So I've heard him say, yeah, ever visited any of them?
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Yes, we have the a few of them.
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Right.
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It's totally blinking right now.
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But there's there's a seat ahead down in Florence.
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We'll have a reward Florence.
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We've got a report actually from the ground. I set
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my news guy to Florence and he's going to give
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us a news report live from his seat ahead. Coming
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up later later in the program, he's going to tell
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us all about the ghosts. So what do you remember
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from your visit there.
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It's well, first of all, it's it's mystical like there
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there are some places, and I think Seaside is one
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of them in Oregon where when you're there, it's almost
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like you're like in another dimension or something like there's
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a feeling if you're in tune with energy and stuff
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like that. It feels different here and you get the
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same kind of vibe from.
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The Yeah, down in Florence and Hobbitt Beach area, all
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of that space down there is just gorgeous. And we
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were walking up the trail to get to the lighthouse
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and we were walking through like the wooded area, and
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it felt like something was watching us through that entire trail,
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but not even in a creepy.
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Way, just sort of in an an observer.
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Yeah, there's also terrible tilly yep and others. Have you
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heard of any similar stories like the Island Moore Lighthouse
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out in the Pacific Northwest.
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I haven't researched anywhere it's been a full disappearance like
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that one, but possibly something where it's more maritime superstition
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and folklore related. You know, there's always like a lady
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in white awaiting her sailor there are a lot of
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those types of stories.
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Right, But these are locations that, I mean have been
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abandoned for many, many years. Some of them are like airbnbs.
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Some of them have been turned into like historical locations
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where you can visit, but just even visiting them can
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sometimes give you the creeps.
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Yeah, for sure, there's vibes there and like she was saying,
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the walk up to the lighthouse and then once you
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get through the woods and you see it kind of
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up on the hill there, it's other world, you know.
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And that's I think that's part of the allure of
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the lighthouse too, is it's such a it's like a spire,
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you know, and it brings imagery of like Lord of
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the Rings and like it's mystical and fantastic.
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Are Do you have other favorite cases that you've done
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podcasts on over the past couple of years.
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Oh, yeah, let's see. My favorite of all time is
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Bob Lazarre. We did a few, like I think it
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was two or three episodes on him, and just his
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story is so interesting and all the things that he
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went through where it seems like the government was trying
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to like erase his history and his.
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Credentials and things like that.
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And then there's some really good validation of technology that
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they found that was said to be not real and
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then actually turned out to be actual military used technology,
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which totally makes him emotional because he's like, yes, okay,
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so this is part of my story has been proven
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to be true. So it's a cool journey. What about
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yours your favorites.
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Monique, My favorite is our past Lives episode. I think
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that that I want to do more about that. We've
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done a couple of them, but that was something that
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I didn't personally subscribe to, just my own hubris, So
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I was like, I don't want to be a different
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person later. I want to be my own disconsciousness forever
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and be remembered by everyone who loves me. So yeah,
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I was always very like tongue in cheek dramatic about that.
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But when we looked into these kids who have these
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past lives memories, it was absolutely fascinating and the way
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that they study this in a more scientific and you know,
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in that psychology realm of questioning these small children about
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these memories.
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It's like it's just super well done.
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Yeah, speak of one of the children's children. One time,
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a child said to its mother, I died in there,
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and it was pointing at her stomach, And I'm like,
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how would a child know that? Either, Like they're they're
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like they've been exposed to this from birth. But we're
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talking about like two or three year old children. They're
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talking about past lives, Like how how is that even
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possible unless it's real.
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Right exactly.
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It's just absolutely fascinating, and so many kids there are
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things that you can actually back up. A lot of
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children know where they lived in a past life, how
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they died, their parents' name, and this is all pre chat, GPT,
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pre Google. So it's it's absolutely fantastic and I love
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looking into those cases.
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What would you want to be in.
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A past life?
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Like a rock and roll musician from like the sixties,
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Like I feel like that might have been the case actually,
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because I'm just like all obsessed with that, Like all
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my guitars are like based around that era.
499
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.720
You know, it's like there's something there for sure, and you, oh, I.
500
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.720
Don't know, I mean some sort of a queen, some
501
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:53.000
sort of a goddess, yeah, maybe a warrior, yeah, priestess.
502
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.720
But you also did a case on the Humpty Do poltergeist,
503
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.680
which is out of Australia. Poulter Geist direct relates to
504
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.720
the ghostly phenomenon. There's been thoughts that Poultergeist are adolescens
505
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.519
or that there's some sort of agent and maybe it's
506
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.200
the individual who's pleasant, who's present, and the ability through
507
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.880
their mind, you know, like telepathy or whatever, they're able
508
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:19.119
to make this activity happen. What about the Humpty Dew
509
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:20.480
Poulder guys stood out to you.
510
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.839
So what's really interesting is in a lot of those
511
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:29.480
Poultergeist cases, as you mentioned, there's like an adolescence presence
512
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:34.400
there and like a young female who's kind of growing
513
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.319
up and going through changes in there, and there's a
514
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.440
lot of emotions that are happening there and some of
515
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:43.400
that manifests in strange ways. With the Humpty de case,
516
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.680
there was a child present, but they were small, like
517
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:50.440
just a couple of years old. So it's interesting that
518
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:54.519
those that's a very specific point about that case that
519
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.119
doesn't necessarily line up with other Poultergeist cases, but the
520
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.319
activity is very Poltergeiste.
521
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:01.799
Yeah.
522
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.799
There was also a recent death in the friend group though,
523
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.720
and so a trauma like that can bring on Poultergeist
524
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.240
energy when you're looking at sort of that Poultergeist profile.
525
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.920
And it gets the name because that's the name of
526
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.599
the town. Yeah, Humpty Do, Humpty Do? Where do you live?
527
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:18.680
I live in Humpty Do?
528
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.960
And apparently in Australia they're like, yep, I know what
529
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.599
that is. I know exactly where that is.
530
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.640
So was this a hoax or was this legitimate paranormal activity.
531
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.759
It's unclear.
532
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.400
It's sort of a fifty to fifty on that one.
533
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.599
And it is interesting because they brought in some people
534
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.839
from the news to come and check it out and
535
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:44.200
film it and document with the intention of debunking it,
536
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.799
and a lot of those reporters left the house going like,
537
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.240
I don't know, there's something here, yeah, and I can't
538
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:49.680
explain it.
539
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.359
Yeah. So all right, where's the podcast available?
540
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.920
You can find us anywhere you hear your podcasts or
541
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.000
at Fright Life Paranormal dot com.
542
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.279
There is Joson Monique Ros the Fright Life Paranormal here
543
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:03.160
at the Oregon Goes conference. It was so good to
544
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.079
talk with you here live and in the flesh. We'll
545
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.240
be back from Seaside, Oregon after this.
546
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.759
Into the Pair of the Normal era air.
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Live from Seaside organ at the Organ Ghost Conference. I'm
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00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.119
Jeremy Scott. Into the Pair of Normal continues, all right,
549
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joined by Aiden Valdero. Next, you gave a presentation about
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something called necro cosmancy.
551
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.720
Necrocosmica or necrocosmancy.
552
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.680
Yeah, that's that's a new one for me. Explain it
553
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.000
for the audience who's not familiar.
554
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:05.440
So necro osmancy is basically a practice where you take
555
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.720
technology and from What it is is that you can
556
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.440
actually communicate through spirit and through the dead.
557
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:12.519
So the dead is.
558
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.400
Data and technology would be like through an app or
559
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:17.799
a spirit box or what.
560
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.920
Oh boy, it is actually through your own cell phone.
561
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.440
So it's through cell phones, it through your computer, it's
562
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.799
through the network itself.
563
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:27.720
Okay, so how does that work then?
564
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.759
So what it is is that usually when you think
565
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.680
about something, if you think about either a loved one
566
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.160
or you think about a thought or anything that has
567
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.759
to do with related to the dead can come.
568
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.839
Through on your phone.
569
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.160
A lot of people that I have connected with and
570
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:46.359
has shared their like their experiences has said, Hey, just
571
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.119
let you know, I've had a message from my past
572
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.279
loved one that came through on my cell phone or
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their profile updated.
574
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.960
So there was a phone call that came in from
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00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.920
someone's phone who is no longer with us recently in
576
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.759
the last week, but it was only lasted a few seconds,
577
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.920
and I didn't hear anybody on the other line. Who
578
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.160
knows if it was that person actually making the phone call,
579
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.400
or if it was you know, a loved one who
580
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.839
because sometimes you will get their phones afterwards, and maybe
581
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.160
you're going through contacts and you can butt dial, you know, yeah,
582
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.359
and maybe ghosts can butt dial too. So what do
583
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.119
you think about when messages are coming in through people's phones,
584
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:33.720
like phone calls, text messages, audio messages, or emails all
585
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:34.839
nine yards.
586
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.400
All the servers, anything that has to do with any
587
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.079
type of data through its emails, it's profiles, it's servers,
588
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.960
it's backup blogs, it's anything that's related to what you
589
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:47.759
have that you uploaded yourself.
590
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.319
Is this a new way of communication because of the
591
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.400
technology that say, ghosts twenty or thirty years ago weren't
592
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:56.799
using to communicate with us.
593
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.079
Yes, absolutely, because of the fact that when even my
594
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.640
presentation yesterday, a lot of people didn't really couldn't relate
595
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.480
because they didn't really understand until they were like, whoa
596
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.119
wait a minute, I've had this happen to me where
597
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.799
I've gotten an email from a past level one or
598
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.000
a past friend.
599
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.039
This explains it.
600
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.400
Or that phone call happened like they said it was
601
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.880
a few seconds, but they said my name or they
602
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.559
said something like that where it could relate that that
603
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.240
was them.
604
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:25.440
So it happens.
605
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.119
So you don't necessarily always need a medium to be
606
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.200
present in order to make contact a lot of people
607
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.319
think you've got to go to a psychic and they
608
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.519
have to you know, the veil has to be thin,
609
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.960
and they have to summon these communications. Ordinary people can
610
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.599
have these communications just through their cell phone.
611
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.680
It's just all it is is just it's changed mediums.
612
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.480
That's all it did.
613
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.200
Do we have to request it or be open to it,
614
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.200
or have a certain app on our phone or anything
615
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.640
like that. It's you, so if we ask for it,
616
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.160
it's just you could potentially happen.
617
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.400
It's your biofield.
618
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.319
Have you experienced this absolutely? Who appeared to you?
619
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.720
My mother who passed on and in what way she
620
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.960
did it through the cell phone.
621
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:13.920
Was it a phone call or it was.
622
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.519
A phone call an a text message?
623
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.440
What did the message say? If you don't mind, she.
624
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.920
Said, I love you very much and she said that
625
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.759
our favorite secret word is diddo.
626
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.880
Nobody else would have known that, right, Nobody else would
627
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.680
have known that. What about the phone call? Was it
628
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:30.799
her voice? Yes?
629
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.920
And all she said was Amanda, I love you.
630
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.079
And I was like, okay, And my name is Amanda
631
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.480
that I go by, but I go by Aiden, but
632
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.799
that was my birth name. So that was the only
633
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:43.839
one that actually knew it.
634
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.039
Did that help with the graving process?
635
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:46.359
It did?
636
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.240
And you wish others could have these experiences as well. Absolutely,
637
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.440
I guess I've heard it happening to some people, like
638
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.160
even Kristen I think a couple of years ago had
639
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.759
some weird thing happen on her phone. Actually when she
640
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.480
was here at the ghost conference, she's told us that story.
641
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.880
But if we're not open to it, it's probably not
642
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:10.639
going to happen, right.
643
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.400
Well, that's the thing is like, even if you're open
644
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.360
to it or not, it's the same thing as with
645
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.559
if it not, Even if it doesn't matter, if what religion,
646
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.039
you are, anything can happen to you because it all
647
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:22.800
it does is it reads from your energy.
648
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:24.639
It's just your energy.
649
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.119
So this doesn't necessarily have to do with with ghosts.
650
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.679
This is more, as you were saying earlier, this is data.
651
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.000
This is all about data. The ghosts are attracted to architecture. Yeah,
652
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:37.320
so now ghosts, all.
653
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.199
They've done is that they've just changed mediums. So now
654
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.679
they have a new way of contacting with us, and
655
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.920
it's through the network, our cell phones. We hold down
656
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.400
us all the time. So when you have that moment
657
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.840
where you're thinking about something and you're going through a
658
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.800
feed and a like fifteen ten minutes second, what is
659
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.079
those ads? It's like, wow, I thought about that. I
660
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.760
never did look that up. Or I said it and
661
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.840
the phone listened. A lot of people are like, well
662
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.679
that's just an app, no, no, something, or someone's in
663
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.480
there listening. And it's a lot of times people just
664
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.920
get so distraught about that, or it'll happen to where
665
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.480
it would start opening something and you're thinking about it,
666
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:16.360
or you said.
667
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.679
It out loud and like, well that's just sury. No,
668
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:19.159
it's not.
669
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.440
Doesn't mean that it ghost as present in your location
670
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.920
at that moment, though, only.
671
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.639
If it's whatever you believe is.
672
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:28.480
If that's what you truly believe in and that's how
673
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.559
it makes you feel comfortable, then so be it.
674
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.119
So it is open to interpretation.
675
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:34.079
Absolutely.
676
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.840
Are you a bit psychic claifoyant, claroti and something like that?
677
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:40.199
I am.
678
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.000
When did you first notice those experiences?
679
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.920
Like at the beginning of time? When I was three?
680
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:45.840
Interesting?
681
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.000
I was three years old and I had my first experience?
682
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.880
Were you interacting with someone who was deceased?
683
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.480
I was dealing with shadow people, shadow people, yep.
684
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.159
I was doing potentially deceased potentially in.
685
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.119
A house yep, in a house in LA.
686
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.760
Did you have any other experiences in this location?
687
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.239
Not there and nope, not until I grew up.
688
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.440
And any other experiences since.
689
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.159
Yes, a lot with mirrors, and that's not because of
690
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.440
what I look like, but they crawl out of them.
691
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.119
So there was a famous movie about that. Yeah, shouldn't
692
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.079
You shouldn't stare too long, You shouldn't.
693
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.360
Yeah, but that happened when I was seven, So before
694
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.639
the movie.
695
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.039
Have you been able to summon entities?
696
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:27.599
No?
697
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.159
No, But the entities that I was showing yesterday are
698
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.559
the ones that come through.
699
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:33.039
But the Internet.
700
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.679
Yeah, but it's it's not called you're not summoning these
701
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.400
no are you inviting them?
702
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.440
Or basically it's just they come because it's kind of
703
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.039
like if you really want it to get it's like
704
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.599
it's just comes with the package.
705
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.639
It's just like how everybody works with the spirit world.
706
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.039
You work with everything. So it's just like technology. You
707
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.920
don't know what really CHATCHYBT is.
708
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.960
You don't really know what AI is. It's the same
709
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.280
kind of concept. I mean, people are like, oh, it's
710
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:07.800
Elon Musk, is it.
711
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.719
Today's date age? You really can't be sure about anything, right,
712
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.320
So I hear you like to visit cemeteries.
713
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:11.639
I do.
714
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.840
Why is that cemeteries?
715
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:14.119
For me?
716
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.480
Always, I always feel a sense of peace, very very
717
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.400
at peace as cemeteries. I have been that way since
718
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.599
I was a kid because of the fact that I
719
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.719
had an experience where I was probably about eight years old,
720
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.840
and I took a toy from a child, and I
721
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.599
know I shouldn't have, but this is when I was young,
722
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.119
and I took his his knife, brought it home, and
723
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.159
then he did not leave me alone until I put
724
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.239
that knife back in his grave.
725
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.320
So interesting, and I have.
726
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:41.840
Been been apologizing ever since.
727
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.199
But you never felt like threatened or anything or scared,
728
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.760
and like you said, it's it's more peaceful it is
729
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.400
being in these locations. But have you ever seen, you know,
730
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.800
ghosts moving from one grave to the other or anything
731
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:56.119
like that.
732
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:00.920
Oh yeah, oh absolutely, spair is consistently always like I have.
733
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.239
Seen so much. Like we have friends in this life
734
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.360
in that life, they would just top from.
735
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.079
From grave to grave to grave.
736
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.639
Yeah, just like going to the store, you know, or
737
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.280
go into work and they're just going and visiting Susie
738
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:15.639
over in plot ninety two.
739
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.400
Yeah, exactly.
740
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.559
Yeah, I've had a pick it, you know, it's really Yeah,
741
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.119
it's kind of funny, but that's usually kind of how
742
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:20.440
it is.
743
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:20.760
They do.
744
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.239
They do float a lot of people. Well, cemeteries don't
745
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.199
have anybody who lingers, Yes they.
746
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.480
Do, yeah, yes.
747
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What about haunted locations? Have you been to a few
748
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.280
of those throughout the years? Oh yeah, and what if
749
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.639
you experienced.
750
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.239
Well, there's the location in Rosebery, Origan that I have
751
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.960
done personally, and it was in the old Opera House
752
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.400
which is in Jackson off a Jackson Street, and it
753
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.679
was the basement and the basement actually had a demonic
754
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.719
present because of the odd fellows that used to do
755
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.519
practice rituals down there and summoned something that wasn't doing
756
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good things.
757
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.000
Can you tell when something's demonic?
758
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.440
Oh yeah, especially when it's just making you feel God awful,
759
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.840
it's making you, draining you, it's making you have very
760
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.480
negative thoughts, and yeah.
761
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:08.599
You're gonna put you in a bad mood.
762
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.440
Oh, absolutely absolutely.
763
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.199
But it can make you have a whole bunch of
764
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different things.
765
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.800
It can even make you cry.
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So great, Aid, We so appreciate the time here at
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the Oregon Ghost Conferences, Aidan valder anything, audience, how should
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00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:20.880
they contact you?
769
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.199
And you just look me up by Aiden Valderoon. You
770
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.920
can find me anywhere, all right, fantastic.
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00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.360
We appreciate you stopping by here at the Oregon Ghost Conference.
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We'll take a break and come back with more of
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our conversation here live from Seaside. I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere
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between the paranormal and.
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YouTube. A pair of normal sprita listen to on all
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podcast apps or without commercials by becoming a premium member
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at Pair Ofnormal Radio dot com.
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Pair of Normal News. I'm George Henriette Asita Head Lighthouse
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in Florence, Oregon. The lighthouse sits atop a cliff overlooking
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the Pacific Ocean and is said to be among the
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ten most haunted lighthouses in North America. It certainly has
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its share of ghost stories. The most famous is the
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ghost of the lighthouse keeper's wife, who were told still
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visits the area in search of her daughter who died there.
785
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Guest reports smelling flowers or rose flavored perfume. Some have
786
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seen an imprint on their bed. There are also stories
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of a spirit crawling into bed with visitors, one turning
788
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transparent and going right through someone and even sweeping up
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00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.119
message from time to time. But who's to say if
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these are the same entity or if multiple ghosts are
791
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known to hang around these parts. This is George Henry
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reporting from Hasita Head Lighthouse in Florence. Here, pair ofnormal
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news every hour on into the pair of normal.
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There's a parallel universe.
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That's separations.
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While we perceived serialogy over the game that the Trudy know,
797
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:28.519
it's all mister Hello, into the par into the para,
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00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.000
go into the parable.
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00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.039
It's okay of old hands. You never know what might
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come up from behind into the par.
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Of looking forward to our next conversation here from the
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Oregon Ghost Conference in the seaside, James Clarkson joining us,
803
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.519
good friend of the program's been with us many times
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00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.599
throughout the years. His lovely wife Joanne as well. You
805
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.719
guys are like tag teaming on the circuit because there
806
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is a bit of a connection between what you do
807
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right absolutely.
808
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.639
And there's kind of a crossover more and more between
809
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what we thought of as classical uphology versus the paranormal
810
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.920
or ghosts or however you want to describe it. There's
811
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emerging people are looking for some kind of larger truth.
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Law enforcement background for those who don't know. Yes, so
813
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you come out from this way and you married Joanne,
814
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who I believe you've been psychic since before you met James.
815
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.159
Yes, How should I say? I had a grandmother who
816
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was a professional psychic, and she taught me to read
817
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poems and tell cards. Although I think everyone has psychic
818
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.639
abilities to a certain extent, I always had a normal
819
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.079
I was a librarian for twenty years, and then after
820
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I had a very profound experience, IVERY careered with a
821
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.239
hospice nurse for another twenty years.
822
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.119
I guess it pays to have a psychic medium unless
823
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.519
you're telling lies, right, Jay James.
824
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.920
That's true. I can't get away with you ever tells lies.
825
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.920
No, he really doesn't.
826
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.800
He's the thought he he's an audible guy. I will
827
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.280
give it to But did you ever think you'd tap
828
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.679
into those abilities with your UFO work?
829
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:26.440
Yes, okay, I think it's very important to know well.
830
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.760
I would say, not just UFO work, but investigations in general.
831
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.960
If you're any good at it, you know what question
832
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.760
to ask and when just the right moment to say
833
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:41.119
something to kind of unlock the witness or unlock the situation.
834
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.599
Would you have ever thought to bring into psychic or
835
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.360
medium in your law enforcement work?
836
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.639
If I would have needed one, I would have looked
837
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:48.119
for one.
838
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.000
Do you think that they can be helpful in solving cases?
839
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:51.880
It's possible.
840
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.480
Yeah. Have you ever worked in that capacity, Joan?
841
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:56.880
No?
842
00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.840
Mostly I work one to one, just tell people to
843
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.519
realize their gifts, their talents, and answer questions in their lives.
844
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.079
It's a huge responsibility to do something that work with
845
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:13.199
the police. Occasionally I have known something important that people
846
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.599
needed to know about a situation they were in, and
847
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.239
if I thought I could bring that information through. I did,
848
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:20.719
but I've never done it with.
849
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:23.320
Like the police.
850
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:25.679
So who thought it would be a good idea? And
851
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.360
it is a good idea to have a psychic channel
852
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:32.599
UFO witnesses.
853
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.039
Well, I was trying to come up with a program
854
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:38.079
that we could do together, right.
855
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.320
Could you usually present separately?
856
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:41.119
Yes?
857
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.039
Well, and it just seemed natural. Two of the women
858
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.840
that we channel we both knew in real life, and
859
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.119
h and.
860
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:51.840
June Crane and who else?
861
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.000
And that Frankie Row And actually June is one of
862
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.760
Jim's spirit guides now I've seen her with him, and
863
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.840
Frankie has taken care of Jim a couple times two
864
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.000
through his recent health.
865
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.920
Jim, have you told us this story how June Crane
866
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.400
is come back to visit you?
867
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.079
No, I haven't. I haven't mentioned it. Please do well.
868
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.000
I just Joanne has taught me to believe in the
869
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.199
power of spirit guides, that there are certain people if
870
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.480
you open yourself, they will give you suggestions or give
871
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.480
you just a little nudge or perhaps point you in
872
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:25.280
the right direction.
873
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.800
June had a very distinctive voice. She was a lifelong smoker,
874
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.360
which is her died of lung cancer, but it was
875
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.000
kind of a gravelly voice and stuff, and sometimes we
876
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.559
hear that voice. I'm more claire audiant than I am clairvoyant,
877
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.880
And sometimes I can literally hear June kind of telling
878
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.800
him things. And he's gotten now, so I think he
879
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.920
always heard it. He just would dismiss it because I
880
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.559
wasn't logical. But now he can hear June too.
881
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:53.360
Do we call this channeling?
882
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:54.039
Yes?
883
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.400
Okay, So is there a setup for this in the
884
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:02.599
case of June Crane who worked at Wright Patterson subject
885
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.760
of one of your books, and may have come and you.
886
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.800
Worked there between nineteen forty two and nineteen fifty two.
887
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.920
And may have come in contact with crash to best.
888
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.880
By the time she left, they had heard about three
889
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:19.360
crashed UFOs and there was a retrieval operation and in
890
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.519
at least one or more probably two of them, there
891
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.000
were bodies recovered, a knot of human beings.
892
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.519
Can what you do add validation to what they said
893
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.360
in the living?
894
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:32.559
I think so.
895
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.559
I think June tells she June on her deathbed, right
896
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.480
before she died, she asked Jim to tell her story,
897
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.519
and that's why he wrote that book, and that's why
898
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:46.320
he speaks at conferences herself pretty much as a Businesswan
899
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.559
built the library out in Ocean Shores because her whole
900
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:53.440
thing in life was everybody deserves equal access to the truth.
901
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.000
And of course she thinks one of the main truths
902
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.639
was that we have been visited, and so we try
903
00:46:58.679 --> 00:46:59.320
to honor that.
904
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.320
And whenever we.
905
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.360
Get off message or anything, she just literally she flicks us.
906
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.119
You can tell Juna saying no, no, no, no, no no.
907
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.360
Everyone deserves the truth. You get back on there and
908
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.199
you fight for it.
909
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:15.800
So do you just evoke or the name of the
910
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.920
spirit or how does that work?
911
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.760
Usually she comes through spontaneously. Sometimes when we least expect
912
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.920
we're going through something and there's June and I.
913
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.400
Say, uh uh uh, that's June.
914
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.119
She's telling you to do this or now he kind
915
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.400
of knows that we do sit and meditate and you
916
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.719
can ask spirits to come through, especially if you have
917
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:37.400
a question or something you're trying to make a decision about.
918
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.079
Jim, are you more into the metaphysical these days? What
919
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.199
are you into the metaphysical more than you used to be?
920
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.679
Absolutely? That's because I've had a couple of I would say,
921
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.199
very real near just.
922
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.639
In the bathroom, as you told us on the last show.
923
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.679
So what did we learn from June Crane through this?
924
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.800
I would say, just to face everything, very honestly, very bluntly,
925
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.480
don't hold back from speaking the truth.
926
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.000
But did she communicate anything you know, that needed clearing
927
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:14.320
up or anything.
928
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:15.960
I haven't had a message like that.
929
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:16.320
No.
930
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.760
I think we got it said between us pretty well
931
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:20.760
while she was alive.
932
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.920
Well, she's told us certain things like that we should accept.
933
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:26.920
A couple of times we were going to turn something
934
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.199
down for various reasons. She said no, no, got to
935
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:30.880
tell the story. Got to tell the story, got to
936
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.519
tell the story, or she's now we're working on another book,
937
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.119
and I think June is helping us to figure out
938
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.159
what to put in, exactly what to say, because sometimes
939
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:41.880
you kind of write something down, you look at it
940
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.519
and say, I don't even think I wrote that, and
941
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.159
you can hear her voice behind it.
942
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.360
What was Frankie Rose role in the Roswell UFO crash.
943
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.679
She was a twelve year old girl in nineteen forty seven.
944
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.360
Her father was a captain in the fire department. He
945
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.000
went out to the crash site. A New Mexico Highway
946
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.199
patrolman showed up at the fire station with a piece
947
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.480
of metal that he was showing off passing around. He
948
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:12.119
showed it to Frankie row and she looked at it
949
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.000
and of course it was the memory metal and you
950
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.320
couldn't do anything to it. And a couple of days later,
951
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.400
a Lieutenant Philbin and a couple of other soldiers showed
952
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.800
up at their home, pounded on the front door, demanded
953
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:31.000
to speak to Frankie Rowe and basically had her write
954
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.079
down all the names, and then he threatened her with
955
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.679
killing her and her family if she ever talked about
956
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:38.920
what she saw.
957
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.920
What came through in the channeling.
958
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.679
Well, the same thing. She was terrified she would burst
959
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:48.079
into tears into adulthood when she remembered that moment. She
960
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.320
really thought they would come and kill her family because
961
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:54.840
of Roswell, And it wasn't until very late in her
962
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.519
life that she could actually talk about that. And then
963
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.280
she'd kind of, like June, felt that everybody needed to
964
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.920
know the truth. Something really did happen in Roswell and
965
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.840
she was willing to stake her life on it at
966
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:06.239
the end.
967
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.199
So a lot of times in the afterlife, they're just
968
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.760
asking for folks to be a little bit more understanding.
969
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.039
Did you hear the story of Frankie and when Juno's
970
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:16.719
in the hospital.
971
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:17.280
I did not.
972
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.920
Okay, this is really weird.
973
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.599
You know, Jim has had some life threatening heart problems
974
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.599
and at one point he needed this very special surgery.
975
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.280
He had already coated twice that brought him back and
976
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.280
we had to wait one more day for the drug
977
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.000
stick A and so they could do the surgery. It
978
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.280
was during COVID in the fall of twenty two. I
979
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.880
couldn't be with him in the hospital, and so I'm
980
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.320
just laying in bed praying that Jim will survive the
981
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.840
night so he can have the surgery. And I hadn't
982
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.639
been able to be in his room, but we had facetimed,
983
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.400
so I'd seen it. So I was laying there praying
984
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.159
at two o'clock in the morning, and I could see
985
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.079
his room in my head, and I saw somebody standing
986
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.960
by the bed, and I thought, well, it must be
987
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.039
his mother or maybe his dad. And I'm looking and
988
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.920
not only did I see this figure, I saw a horse,
989
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.159
a full size horse is standing in this And and
990
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.639
Frankie's great love where her animals, especially she raised horses,
991
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.519
and this figure turns to me and says, and I
992
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.000
always cry every time it says, don't worry, Joanne. I'm here.
993
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.880
I'm Frankie Roe with my Palomino horse Chester, and we're
994
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:18.880
going to get Jim through the night. And he survived
995
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.920
and the surgery was successful and he's here today.
996
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.400
James, you have guardian angels?
997
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:23.239
Yes?
998
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.360
Did you know that you have guardian angels? You're right, and.
999
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.880
You have a lot left to give. James Clarkson and
1000
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.559
his wife Joanne here from the Oregon Ghost Conference. We'll
1001
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:35.960
talk to you, Dana mcmanville.
1002
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.800
James, thank you, looking forward to it.
1003
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.519
It's going to be an honor, all right. From the
1004
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.320
Oregon Ghost Conference in Seaside. I'm Jeremy Scott. We will
1005
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:43.159
be here right back.
1006
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:44.840
Is awesome.
1007
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.800
Into the Pair of Abnormal Hair.
1008
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.679
From the Oregon Ghost Conference in Seasaid. I'm Jeremy Scott,
1009
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.559
joined by Seth Michael. So good to have you here.
1010
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.840
Are We been trying to get you on for a
1011
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.559
couple of years and the schedules just didn't align. I
1012
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.000
think the last time we had you on was during
1013
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.159
the COVID year, and you were still actively doing psychic
1014
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:33.239
readings at that point right, I think so, Yeah, but
1015
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:37.119
things have changed for you as you were just telling me, yeah.
1016
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.039
It was health issues.
1017
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.760
It sort of just changes in my body that I noticed.
1018
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.199
I wasn't getting as many details and readings as I
1019
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.880
was used to getting. Like I would get names of farm,
1020
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:54.559
nicknames of people, sometimes dates, names, sometimes just things that
1021
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.960
would tell people, you know, clear evidence that to them,
1022
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.280
this was their person they were trying to connect with.
1023
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.599
And then all of a sudden I wasn't getting those.
1024
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.559
I was getting still feelings of possibly connecting with their spirit,
1025
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.400
but not the evidence to show you can't to me,
1026
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.760
you can't go into reading and just be told, here's
1027
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:15.920
your mom and she loves you.
1028
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:17.880
There needs to be validation.
1029
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.159
What did they say in life? What did they do?
1030
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:20.639
What?
1031
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.719
What are things that memories that can show you this
1032
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.519
is your really your mom, so that you know in
1033
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.960
your heart. And I wasn't getting that, and then I wasn't.
1034
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.000
I wasn't charging for those if. I I always said
1035
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.320
that too. If if we don't feel like we're connecting,
1036
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.000
I don't feel it, you don't feel it, there's no charge,
1037
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:41.360
there's and and it just I was feeling so sad
1038
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.800
not being able to connect that I just quit then
1039
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.199
I knew it wasn't my time and.
1040
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.360
I thought that was my purpose.
1041
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:49.880
Was that tough for you?
1042
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.400
Yes, I'm more into a place of acceptance now because
1043
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.800
it does happen to people like pianists. You know, they'll
1044
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.719
lose their hands, use to their hands and arthritis or
1045
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.800
things that were stylist and when they get you know,
1046
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.760
changes in their body that makes you not be able
1047
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.440
to do the things you thought you were here to
1048
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:07.159
do on earth.
1049
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.679
And then it just changes and then there's a.
1050
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.440
Death and there's the stages, just like a person, you know,
1051
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.199
because your belief is dead. Now you thought I was
1052
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.559
here to do that and it changes, and.
1053
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.599
There's skepticism you know, surrounding just the practice of you know,
1054
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:28.079
psychics and mediums in general. And I mean kudos to
1055
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:35.000
you that you came to that realization because many might
1056
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.039
continue do it for the money. And that's yeah, like.
1057
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.480
Cold reading, the faking, the you know, watching for body. Yeah,
1058
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.079
because I used to close my eyes too because I
1059
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.400
didn't want to see any reactions if I was hitting
1060
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:50.639
on a certain thing or not. I didn't want to say.
1061
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:52.559
I just wanted to read the spirit. And you know
1062
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.480
my experience, so yeah, it's honest.
1063
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.360
But your experiences have been pretty extensive throughout the years.
1064
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:01.679
How long had you been doing this?
1065
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:01.880
Up?
1066
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:03.079
For thirty years?
1067
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.199
So started on Dion Warwick's Psychic Friends hotline in the nineties.
1068
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.239
So you were taking calls like people were paying what
1069
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.280
like ninety nine cents a minute or.
1070
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.639
We got ten cents a minute and cents a minute, Hi, Kristen, and.
1071
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.039
People would just call it and you would do cold readings.
1072
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.079
Well, I mean cold readings. They say that for different reason. Okay,
1073
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.559
One definition of cold reading is the magicians that fake it,
1074
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.639
that will pick up on cues. But then there's also
1075
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.159
mediums call it cold reading where you don't know anything
1076
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.960
about the person. So yes, they would call it. I wouldn't
1077
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.199
know anything about them, and I would read them, and
1078
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.119
the dispatchers gave us tests, so I was able to
1079
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:47.920
read the dispatchers and then they let me go on it.
1080
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.199
But Dian Warwick's line fired me because I wouldn't keep
1081
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.000
them on as long as they wanted to. I would
1082
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.639
answer their questions, give them information they wanted me to say, Oh.
1083
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.199
Wait, there's something more important.
1084
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.480
You need to know something up and I wouldn't do it,
1085
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:04.000
so they can be. But Mother Love picked me up
1086
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.840
and then I started getting spirits coming through. And then
1087
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.840
I had the ultimate spirit that alived himself and this
1088
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.679
woman came through and this evidence was amazing and I
1089
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.719
was done with the hotlines. So then I just went,
1090
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.360
you know, read for people, and I didn't get charged
1091
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.679
for I didn't charge for a really long time. But
1092
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.360
when I started to get taxed with you know, getting
1093
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.159
calls at three in the morning for people that wanted readings,
1094
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.119
I needed to do something, put up a barrier so
1095
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:34.559
that I had some boundary. So money was a boundary,
1096
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.440
and I didn't I didn't want to really you know,
1097
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.599
go expensive just energy exchange.
1098
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:40.760
Have you ever been psychically attacked?
1099
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:45.159
Yes, yeah, oh yeah, I feel I've had dark things.
1100
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.840
That's when I was.
1101
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.239
I didn't have tools for my emotions because my emotions
1102
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.400
were all over the place. All right, I keep getting this,
1103
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.760
stay back a little bit.
1104
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:57.800
Just get as close as you can. It'll be fine.
1105
00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.280
Oh okay, I'll just turn you down here.
1106
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.280
Yeah, So they.
1107
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.079
I was not able to. I was more vulnerable. So yeah,
1108
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.679
I was getting dark stuff. I was getting my deep
1109
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.079
dark thoughts would even go deeper and darker, you know
1110
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.639
about you know, thoughts about unliving my own self and stuff.
1111
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:19.239
And I knew that that I just wanted the end
1112
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.800
of the pain. I didn't want to die. So then
1113
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.119
when I got help, I got psychiatric help that actually
1114
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.840
helped me on the psychic realm. It helped me be
1115
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:31.079
more out of my head and into the present moment.
1116
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.800
And then I also was able to hear spirits more clearly.
1117
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.719
So how will we be more tuned to having these communications,
1118
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:41.679
whether it's deceased loved ones or friends, or or just
1119
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:43.519
ghost walking down the street.
1120
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.480
First, let yourself grieve, because a lot of people are
1121
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.480
stuck in this in this place that they can't get
1122
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:54.840
out of. Their guilt is something that might have you know,
1123
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:59.880
it was my doing that the spirit did what they did,
1124
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.159
is what I said. It was a lot of times
1125
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:03.159
that happens with pets.
1126
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:05.480
You know, I didn't tell yesterday.
1127
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.280
Oh no, yeah, sorry, no.
1128
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:13.280
No, go ahead. I mean it's it's just tough to hear,
1129
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:13.679
you know.
1130
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.400
But the guilt holds us in a lot of times
1131
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.760
and holds us and then so the spirit, in my opinion,
1132
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.199
a lot of times they're up here and they're feather energy,
1133
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.519
and then we're rock energy and they're like.
1134
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:25.800
Why can't I feel them?
1135
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.159
It's because you're in a way different wavelength, and they
1136
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.880
are there. I believe they're there. Even if we don't
1137
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:34.679
believe we feel them. Where would they be there?
1138
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:34.920
There?
1139
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.639
I always hear like, where do you think i'd go?
1140
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:37.800
Of course I'm going to be.
1141
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.599
With Well, they're spectators, but sometimes they like to let
1142
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:41.400
us know they're there.
1143
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:46.360
Yes, dreams, some people get dreams or if they're uh,
1144
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.639
sometimes people will hear their voice, you know, just like
1145
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.360
a whisper.
1146
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:52.039
Uh.
1147
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.320
There's symbols.
1148
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:56.360
Coins.
1149
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:02.079
Last yesterday we had protection class, right, and we put
1150
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.519
down the Oregon Ghost Conference a book and we did
1151
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:06.039
our class.
1152
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.119
We packed it up.
1153
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:07.679
There was a.
1154
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.639
Dime on the book. Jill took a picture of it.
1155
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.400
Nobody was near that.
1156
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.159
Nobody anybody is a dime in their pocket here.
1157
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.960
Right, And then somebody that took the class, their grandma
1158
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.440
always comes through with dimes. And right after they see
1159
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:29.800
a penny. Of his boyfriends saw a penny. Rocky, He's okay, saying,
1160
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:33.679
and then so then Johnny later saw that and they
1161
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:34.320
had that time.
1162
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.920
And then later I found another dime. It was just wild.
1163
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:39.280
And then he came to the other class.
1164
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.800
So it's dimes you're finding, not nichols or quarters or petties,
1165
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:43.519
but dimes.
1166
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.920
Well that just just today or yesterday and today at
1167
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:48.159
the Oregon Ghost Conference.
1168
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:49.519
I guess it could happen with any coin.
1169
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:53.880
It wasn't. B. Where was that room that class?
1170
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.280
I did it, And yeah, that was a lot of
1171
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:58.119
weird riverside B So.
1172
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.360
I was I was up there in that one.
1173
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.599
Yeah, oh yeah, the magician, Yeah, that was the same
1174
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.360
room and it happened right after the magician came right
1175
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:08.159
after our class.
1176
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:09.679
Oh so that was pretty wild.
1177
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.079
So we can blame them. No, But seriously, last minute here,
1178
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:19.760
do you find that communicating with deceased spirits of family
1179
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.840
members can help with the grieving process.
1180
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.320
If they're yeah, if they're open to not doubting themselves,
1181
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.119
like oh you know, yeah, of course that could happen.
1182
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.920
Like one time a Ray Charles song came on, which
1183
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:34.559
reminds me and my dad, and I looked up and
1184
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.599
the bumper sticker had a name his name on it, Charlie.
1185
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.840
So it was interesting. But I could have said all coincidence,
1186
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.920
and then I wouldn't feel that connection, you know. So, yeah,
1187
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:45.599
I think you have to be open to the possibility.
1188
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.920
You don't have to say for sure. But I liked
1189
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.840
even being the psychic medium. I always said I could
1190
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.800
be a psychic medium. You know, it's a possibility. And
1191
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.239
if I'm coming up with this stuff that I can't
1192
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.239
guess that, I might as well keep going because it's
1193
01:00:59.239 --> 01:00:59.880
helping people.
1194
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:03.320
Seth, great pleasure talking with you here at the Oregon
1195
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.360
Ghost Conference. Seth Michael Audio should contact you on Facebook. Yah,
1196
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.679
Se'th Michael, all right, I'm still there. Fantastic, Thank you
1197
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:11.000
so much.
1198
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:11.440
Thank you.
1199
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.480
All right, we'll be back from seaside right after this
1200
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:14.800
from the Oregon Ghost Conference.
1201
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.559
There are hundreds of these stories, ranging from ghost stories
1202
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.000
to cryptids or creatures.
1203
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.800
He had the experience of a ghost or an entity
1204
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.400
grab her hand. Dell S six PM, doing grounds. Yeah,
1205
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.800
there will be nobody on the floor in that. Both
1206
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.880
they said there's demons down there that are trapping I
1207
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.440
mean trapping them in and they can't they can't get
1208
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:56.599
out the people that have died there.
1209
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:02.079
Do they still have a message to tell us, whether.
1210
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:07.159
It's unexplained or just playing strange. This is your kind
1211
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.760
of show. Into the pair Abnormal.
1212
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:18.239
We continue from Seaside joined by Ghost Storia. We have
1213
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.920
Signy and we have Natalie. How are you both doing
1214
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:21.480
this afternoon?
1215
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:22.000
Good?
1216
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:22.199
Good.
1217
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.400
Now you investigated a location that was down the road
1218
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:29.400
in a story. One of the first times that the
1219
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.639
Ghost Conference has done I think the first time that
1220
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.079
the Ghost Conference has done this investigation. But had you
1221
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:35.960
guys been there previously? To the Elks.
1222
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:37.159
Lodge many times?
1223
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:38.119
Many times?
1224
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:39.559
Tell us the history of that place.
1225
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.400
It's over one hundred years old and it's always been
1226
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:49.199
an Elks lodge. It's quite fascinating inside. There's several of
1227
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:53.320
the areas that are really kept up and others that
1228
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.960
are dilapidated, but they're trying to get the money together
1229
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.559
and fix them. They have an old ball alley in
1230
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.400
the basement, it's very cool and they're.
1231
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:04.000
Fixing that up.
1232
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.119
There's an old shooting range, but I doubt that's ever
1233
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:07.079
going to be in use again.
1234
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.559
So this place has been in existence for over one
1235
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:14.920
hundred years, correct, And are there remnants of the past inside,
1236
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.079
like through the architecture and the furniture and that sort
1237
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:19.400
of thing.
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Absolutely, the third floor houses the ballroom area and it's
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01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.800
got the thrones in there, and then on the side
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01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:31.320
rooms there's just myriads of things and throughout the basement.
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01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.239
Now are there certain parts of the building, certain things
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01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.760
in the building where this activity is experienced more often
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01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.360
than others.
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01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:46.840
Yeah, so I think in the ballroom, the ballroom we
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01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.840
got some activity than the side rooms that are supposed
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01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:58.920
brothel rooms. And also in the basement area where there
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01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.440
is a bowling, we've gotten most of our activity.
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01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.519
So tell us how things went last night at the
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Estoria Elks Lodge.
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01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.239
It started out a little slow, but you can never
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01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.320
guarantee what kind of activity is going to happen.
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01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:16.199
But on my tour, we had quite a bit of
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01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:17.159
activity with the.
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01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:20.599
Spare box and in one of the rooms, we have
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01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:23.519
a device called an epoch box, and it's basically we
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01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.480
call it a yes no box, and they were getting
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01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:33.320
some just lost my mind, they were getting some compelling
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01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.960
answers when they were asking questions. One group stayed in
1259
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.039
there at least fifteen minutes because they did not want
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01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.239
to stop communicating with the spirit that was in there.
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01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:44.840
And those rooms she referred to as the brothel rooms.
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01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.960
They were for the dignitaries that were from out of
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01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.840
town and they would bring their guests if you will,
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01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.480
And of course they were prostitutes. One of the times
1265
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:00.639
that we were in there, we did have spirit box
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01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.840
communication and they did say prostitute. There's also been a
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01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.159
woman heard sobbing in one of those rooms, and we
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01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.599
had a medium the other night that said one of
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01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:14.400
the rooms felt like a very sad woman was in there.
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01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:16.960
That's in the brothel rooms.
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01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.039
What's the name of the box. It's an epoch box
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01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.679
epoch but we call it yes no, And that allows
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01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.519
real time communication absolutely and.
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01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:29.519
You can't set it off with your phone. You can't
1275
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:30.679
accidentally do anything.
1276
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.760
It just does. Now, how important is that to have
1277
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:41.079
like real time validation that you're speaking with a conscious entity.
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01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.159
I mean, we think they're conscious for all we know,
1279
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:45.840
because a lot of times you hear of these EVPs,
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01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.360
people take them back and they spend hours upon hours,
1281
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.519
you know, going through the audio and go, oh, we
1282
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.840
did get a response. But then it may be weeks
1283
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.840
or months before you go back, you know, and who
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01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.159
knows if that spirit is going to be playful on
1285
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.679
that night. So if you have conscious communication with an
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01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.679
entity like now, you should probably take advantage of that
1287
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:07.840
and it sounds like this is how we can do it.
1288
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.719
Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's one of my personal favorite is
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01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.199
using that box yes. I call it Yes and No box,
1290
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:22.840
and that in the spirit box and the meg flashlights.
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01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.079
Those are I get direct responses from both of those.
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01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.199
So are we asking yes or no questions to get
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01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:31.280
yes or no answers?
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01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.039
And even the meg light Yeah, but in.
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01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.119
One case a name came.
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01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.519
Through through the spare boxes. The names come through, okay,
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01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.280
but the Yes No box. I also utilize cards, a
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01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.280
low card and a hype card playing card, and you
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01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.840
can ask them to choose can you please light up
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01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.400
the side with the low card? And that shows that
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01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:54.639
they're intelligent when they do that, that they understand what
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01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:55.320
we're asking for.
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01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:57.880
So you can ask them are you present and are
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01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:01.639
you X y Z? Yeah, yeah, and you will get
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01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.880
a response yep. And usually if you've gotten that far,
1306
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.760
chances are you can continue the communications and actually have
1307
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.360
a conversation. But sometimes these spirits are more stubborn. Yeah,
1308
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.639
they don't want to come out and play right exactly.
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01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:17.159
That That's kind of how we felt last night. Is
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01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.000
even with my group, we didn't get much activity.
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01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.440
It's a scam, it's a hoax. No, as we were
1312
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.119
saying before, there are no guarantees here. The ghosts don't
1313
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.559
come out and play on command. You cannot say I
1314
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.320
command you, you know, to come out, because because we
1315
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.519
charged people, you know, however much for this investigation, we
1316
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.440
have to put on a show. I mean the fact
1317
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.079
that sometimes you go on these and there is no activity.
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01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.840
I don't speaks maybe to its credibility for sure.
1319
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.800
And we do tell them at the beginning that it's
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01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.559
not a haunted house attraction. It's an actual investigation. And
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01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.480
a lot of times things don't happen. We spend hours
1322
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:58.880
and hours in dark, dank basements for nothing sometimes, but
1323
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:00.840
sometimes we think it's no thing, and then we get
1324
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:02.920
home and play the recordings back.
1325
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:03.920
And you have a voice.
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01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:07.400
Is the Sinister Speaker the same thing that we talked about,
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01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:08.440
or is that something different?
1328
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:12.440
The Senator Speaker is a spirit box. But there are
1329
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.079
several different kinds.
1330
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.560
Okay, and they each do different things. They basically do
1331
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:18.760
the same thing, okay.
1332
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:23.359
They run through the radio frequencies at a very fast speed,
1333
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:26.039
and it creates a white noise that the spirits can
1334
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:26.560
speak through.
1335
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:28.800
So what are your all time personal favorite.
1336
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:38.920
Locations definitely Elk's Lodge, the Liberty Theater. I mean I
1337
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:45.279
started the tours with my partner before Sidney ex partner,
1338
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.359
and we were in Gully's Butcher's Shop, started those tours,
1339
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:53.199
and then when I met Signey on one of the tours,
1340
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.960
then you know, we just went from there and yeah,
1341
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.680
definitely Gully's butcher Shop, Liberty. Do you have some others?
1342
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.000
I think I think the butcher Shop has the most
1343
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:06.760
activity that we've ever had, the most captured, I would say,
1344
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:09.039
and the Liberty also.
1345
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.079
Were there particular ghosts who resided in the butcher Shop?
1346
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:18.720
Yes, there's four that have been named either through the
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01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:22.560
spare box communication or through mediums, and they usually all
1348
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.560
come through during the tours.
1349
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.720
How did they die? I'm sorry, how did they die?
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01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:28.800
We don't know.
1351
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.680
One of them we believe was just natural causes, and
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01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.119
the other three we haven't gotten a response when we've
1353
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:36.720
asked that interesting.
1354
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.520
Are there some places underground that you guys have been
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01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:46.039
to as well? Well?
1356
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:48.600
If you consider underground, I mean most of us story
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01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.000
has basements, which is underground. Some of the businesses reside underground,
1358
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:57.880
which I have one which is also haunted, but most
1359
01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:59.960
of the time people are just using them for store
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01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:01.800
and you really can't get into them.
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01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:02.359
Right.
1362
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.800
What's happened in your place of employment? Uh?
1363
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:11.600
Well, we've gotten spirit box communication where they used foul language.
1364
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.079
They've said my husband's name in a very creepy manner,
1365
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.680
and he has had something thrown at him.
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01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:22.399
Is anybody Is that the worst of it at that location?
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01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:22.880
Yeah?
1368
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.479
Yeah. Have you guys ever been to a location where
1369
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.840
something so disturbing has happened?
1370
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:31.479
Uh?
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01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.800
Not really, I mean get we do get scared. We've
1372
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.920
gotten scared mostly in Gully's butcher shop underneath.
1373
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:38.199
Yeah.
1374
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:41.359
In the paranormal investigators even get scared sometimes.
1375
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:45.760
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been chased out when
1376
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:49.680
I first started Gullies chased out of the basement underground
1377
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:50.680
down there.
1378
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.439
Okay, how do folks find you and how do they
1379
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:54.399
take part in your events?
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01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.720
On Facebook? Just look for Ghostoria and we always post
1381
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.840
when we're going to be doing a public event. Most
1382
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.159
of our events are private, but we do annual events
1383
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.279
at the Liberty Theater and the Elks Lodge.
1384
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:08.920
Now, fantastic, Thank you so much for joining me. Sidney
1385
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:13.279
Vitalia from Ghostoria. Thanks they'll be at the Astoria Elks
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01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.840
Lodge doing an investigation somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
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01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:18.359
I'm Jeremy Scott will be back.
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01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.720
Thanks Jeremy, thank you so much.
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01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.039
Into the pair of.
1390
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.880
Live from the Oregon Ghost Conference in the Seaside for
1391
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.039
the final time this year. I want to thank everybody
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01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.279
who has made this possible. We have to thank Kristin
1393
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.560
Gray because she does such a wonderful job in finding
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01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.079
all of the guests and getting their schedules to align.
1395
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.479
So Kristin, thank you, Thank you so much. And to
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01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:06.800
everyone who has gone unnamed, it's just because I don't
1397
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:09.680
have your name, but I'm sure you've gotten a shout
1398
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:12.279
out from Rocky throughout the weekend here on the radio.
1399
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.119
And I also want to thank Rocky as well for
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01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.880
having me involved in this year after year and for
1401
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:23.479
putting on such a great, a great conference. So we
1402
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.319
are going to do this the old fashioned way. Usually
1403
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:30.439
I know exactly who I'm speaking with, and I try
1404
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.279
I have tried to put some questions together, but in
1405
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:37.760
this case, I just met this gentleman just a moment ago,
1406
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:42.359
and he is Eric Roth, and he is a shamanic astrologer.
1407
01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:50.920
We normally talk with astrologers who focus on a variety
1408
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.680
of different methods. What is your method of astrology?
1409
01:12:55.800 --> 01:13:00.239
Yes, I work with it from a holistic perspective, work
1410
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.920
with on a very deep level of helping people thrive
1411
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:06.760
in their life by looking at the planets as spirit guides,
1412
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:12.079
as teachers, initiators, and that all three worlds, the underworld,
1413
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:16.720
middle world, and above world all operate within us. They're
1414
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:20.560
here for us and we are co creators with the universe.
1415
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.479
And a shamanic astrology really means what.
1416
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.600
It really means a way of accessing the night sky,
1417
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:34.239
the planets, the stars, everything from a ceremonial, participatory experience.
1418
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.600
So it's not just looking at the computer, but it's
1419
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:41.760
actually engaging fully with it and timing it. Could you
1420
01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:44.319
could hold ceremonies with it. You can work with just
1421
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.119
the moon or other things on a personal level and
1422
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:50.039
on a group level as well.
1423
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:56.640
So these celestial bodies, they impact our daily lives. They do,
1424
01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:03.640
and if we know exactly what is ahead the astrological waters, yes,
1425
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.840
so to speak, then we can plan our lives around
1426
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.279
them and maybe have better results than we would have
1427
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:12.399
or help ourselves from getting into trouble or.
1428
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:13.199
To some degree.
1429
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:16.720
Yes, but it's also is not necessarily an escape from
1430
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.039
our life either, because we can encounter things where we
1431
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.640
might perceive, oh, this cycle is coming up, so something
1432
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:26.880
negative is coming. But how do we respond to that negative?
1433
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.920
How is there something deep coming in and you're just
1434
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.399
going to avoid it or do you invite something in
1435
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:37.840
and going, hey, I can work with this to improve myself.
1436
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.119
I can work with this to expand my consciousness. I
1437
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.319
can work with us to say, hey, wait a minute,
1438
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.840
maybe I'm not quite on the right path, and this
1439
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.199
transformation is going to help me align with that path
1440
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:50.920
more in full participation.
1441
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:51.079
Of my life.
1442
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:54.760
So it's really a guidance. Yes, it's showing intent.
1443
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.199
Now there can be of course, astrology can have some
1444
01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:02.319
predictive elements, divination elements to that, and there's certain kinds
1445
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:04.920
of astrology there like that in shamanic ow chemical astrology.
1446
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:08.159
It's more about the intent, but there is still some
1447
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.920
elements that you can kind of peer into the future,
1448
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:13.399
not just on a personal life, but on a collective
1449
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:14.640
level too for the world.
1450
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.479
How far does this practice go back astrology itself?
1451
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:23.279
Yeah, Oh, the practice of astrology goes back more than
1452
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:29.359
six thousand years. In fact, there is a cave in
1453
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:33.319
France that is over twenty five thousand years old that
1454
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:39.760
painted pictographs of the constellations on there by cave dwellers
1455
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.279
back back in France. What I'm saying is it's in
1456
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:47.479
our DNA that the stars themselves and are even looking
1457
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:51.439
up into the heavens. Is literally written into our dna.
1458
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:56.359
We are beings in co creation and relationship with the
1459
01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:57.039
Earth and sky.
1460
01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.279
There's no separation there.
1461
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.319
Explain how our birth charts come into play here.
1462
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:09.000
So our birth chart is a reflection of our soul's
1463
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:13.399
intent in this life. Okay, it doesn't determine who we are,
1464
01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:17.800
but it shows a roadmap, perhaps an intention of like
1465
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:21.239
what we could become and evolve into.
1466
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.680
Has this been valuable in your own life? Personally?
1467
01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:29.399
It has on many occasions. It's given me a gift
1468
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.640
of being able to see not just what's ahead, but
1469
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:37.399
for example, even even last year when I had an
1470
01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:41.319
incident happened when my mother passed. Later, I was able
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01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.760
to look at the chart of what was happening at
1472
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:46.079
that very moment when I received the phone call from
1473
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:50.399
my sister, and like it gave me insights and go, wow, okay,
1474
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:54.560
this this tells me a lot that there's like it
1475
01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.239
was hitting a deep level from me, and I realized
1476
01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:59.319
that the power of like each and every day, I
1477
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:03.520
realized the power of astrology and that passing really helped
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me understand my own a journey.
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So not only can it help you in the future,
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but you can also use it as a point to
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go into the past, yes, and maybe look at where
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you went wrong or something.
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Exactly, Like when I'm like, there's times when I'm like, Okay,
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I'm not in a you know, maybe not having a
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good day.
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Just something's going on.
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And so for example, Saturn, which kind of keeps us honest.
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It allows us to invest in our life more strongly,
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and so like, there can be times where we get frustrated,
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but it's all about showing up for a life. It's like, well,
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I got to do the hard work this time. It's
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for the next several months. I got to really pour
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myself into that space and do the work.
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Now, you said earlier planets are spirit guides. Yes, how
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does that work?
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So in shamanism, we can look at like wolf or
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whale or spider as spirit guides messengers planets can operate
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in the same way. They're available to us at any time.
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So we can look to say, if we're trying to
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expand our life into another level of ourselves and go
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I need to I need to invite in more people.
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I need to allies. Then we can look to Jupiter.
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We can go, hey, Jupiter, can I can I work
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with you here? Can can you help me gain more allies?
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I need to share with you what I what my
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desires are, what I wants. It's almost like setting intention
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and you send it out there and you work with
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Jupiter in that way, particularly if you are in a
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Jupiter cycle, for example, or with Saturn as a guide.
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Oh, I want to build a strong foundation.
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I need to know what resources I need to have
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and make a priority this for ourselves. Saturn is a
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great planet for that.
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So like planetary conjunctions and alignments that all yes, is important.
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Very much.
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So yes.
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So what does it say about our current state of affairs?
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You mean for the world.
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Yeah, it's saying that we're in a great and big mess.
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But overall.
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We humanity is and a death rebirth. All the knowledge
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from ancient times, from potentially even the future is all
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coming here in order for us to come back into
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a place where we have a better relationship with everything
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around us. So there's been some recent cycles that have
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helped us get to that space. You know, I think
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of even the paranormal, even UFOs and others. This is
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new knowledge coming in for humanity. It's part of a
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greater landscape of knowledge that is being born here.
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Or reborn if we will.
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So, if we were to focus in specifically on disclosure, Yeah,
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are there like waves in the astrology whereas the waves
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of disclosure come.
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Yeah, in fact, one of the well out of Neptune,
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the recent conjunction of that has helped promote that more
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strongly nowadays, but especially when it started making the news
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more in recent years. Pluto's ingress or Plutus movement into
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Aquarius and helping with this was so called Aquarius age.
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That's part of I think disclosure is playing a major
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role in that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so times may be rocky, but what the astrology
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says is there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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That's correct on the other side.
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Yeah, this is a messy and painful process, and we
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have growing pains as a human race, but there's something
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beyond that we can that we can have a glimmer
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of hope.
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There's light at the end of the tunnel.
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I firmly believe that we're heading in the ultimately in
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the right direction, but we've got a lot to clean up.
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Eric, thank you so much for joining us. How does
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the audience contact you for reading?
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They can contact me on my website Inspiralnexus dot com,
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I N S P I R A L n exus
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dot com and it's also by email that same Inspiral
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Nexus at gmail dot com.
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Fantastic. Yes, well, it was an honor talking with you.
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Thank you, Jeremy, absolutely friends, and it was such an
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honor to be back here in Seaside. We look forward
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to this on the calendar each and every year we
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spend the end of March here in beautiful Seaside, Oregon.
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It is a wonderful town. If you've never been here,
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make some plans to get out here and by all
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means planet in coordination with the Ghost Conference, because there's
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always great people here who've got wonderful things to share,
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very insightful to some of the top in the business here.
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And again we want to thank everyone with the Oregon
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Ghost Conference. Who has supported us in this show, and
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we aid in their success as much as they ate
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in our success. From the cold, dark depths of a
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secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, from
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the Oregon Ghost Conference in Seaside, I'm Jeremy Scott.
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Good nights, such a specta