Ep. #755: Drones or Misidentified Aircraft? w/ Patrick Sherman & James Goodall

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Five four three two one.
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We interrupt our program to bring you this important message.
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A confirmed attack is taking place against the United States.
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Aliens from an unknown location have been reported in multiple states.
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We are controlling transmission.
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There is another world that awaits, far beyond what we
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can see and feel, of a place that's anything but ordinary.
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Would you believe.
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I do not think.
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Step into the song of the first time, know the
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take conspiracies and cover into the pair read not a
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weegogo with charities.
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From the dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep
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in the remote Pacific Northwest. In case you're wondering, friends,
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the UFO drones, as I will call them now to
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differentiate from say, flying saucers or triangle UFOs, the ones
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we are most familiar with, so I'll call them UFO drones.
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They are still happening, still getting reports. I'm still seeing videos.
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In fact, the majority of messages in my social media
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inboxes and email are of people you know, just like
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you and I, who want to know the who, the what,
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and the why. And we've you know, discussed these incursions
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quite a bit over the past few months. Tonight, though,
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we are going to talk with two people who know
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their stuff when it comes to drones and identifying aircraft.
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As I told my guest as we were getting ready
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for his segments, I would rather talk to people who
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have actually flown drones and aircraft, certainly valuing their opinion.
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I would rather talk to them than somebody who's never
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once taken any courses or gotten behind the controls or
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anything like that, who just has an opinion on what
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these are or what these are not. So to get
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us started, I was considering what we would talk about.
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Of course, tonight on the program, it came across a
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comment in fact from Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett, And of course,
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if you know who he is, he has been a
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big proponent on the UFO disclosure fight through proceedings in Congress. Well,
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he also went on a podcast that was talking about drones.
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And this isn't just a nothing statement from the congressman.
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Now they know they can pretty much just fly in
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over our military and when these are over military installations,
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some of these drones they can fly in without any
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notice without anybody firing a shot literally, and they know
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they can do that, and so I would warn people
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they're still the drones are still out there and they're
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still flying, but our media is not, for whatever reason,
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is not covering it anymore.
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And we better get a.
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Grip on it because that could that is a component
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of the next war that we will fight.
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Yeah, they can, they can fly in and we don't
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bat an eye and this is where the next war
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is going to be fought. Some chilling words from Congressman
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Burchette there, He's right, people are still seeing these. I
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mean it's they're they're not going away. It is not
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New Jersey either. Right after the New Jersey sidings began,
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it actually happened at three Royal Air Force spaces, and
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since then, the UFO drones have been spotted in many
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cities across the US and several countries as well. The
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people have seen these in public places, near military facilities,
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around airports. We're talking about restricted airspace here. Now. Last
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time I checked, it was illegal to intrude into restricted airspace,
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and yet it has been allowed to occur over and
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over for several months now. These people have impunity. They
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they can fly in and we don't do anything about it.
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And who knows if they are here to look at
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our nuclear facilities who knows if these are our own drones,
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and if we're you know, doing some sort of bomb
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surveillance or whatnot. I mean, the fact of the matter
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is these objects are unexplained. They remain unexplained. It's been
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going on for months, and now we're talking about restricted
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airspace and it continues to go on. What happened to
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the threats from the authorities. You know that they were
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going to use deadly force, which of course I thought
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was a bad idea. If you shoot one of these
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things down, especially over a populated area, there's going to
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be collateral damage. And what if they are not unmanned.
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If we believe they are unmanned and we shoot them
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down and they are the size, as some people say,
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of a school bus or an suv or a small car,
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and this thing, you know, spills debris over a populated area,
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there's going to be collateral damage from that. And if
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you're wrong and these are powered by I don't know,
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a human or an extraterrestrial, an adversary or whatnot, and
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then we have blood on our hands. And it's a
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very very sticky, messy situation. Now, remember there was this
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no fly order and last I checked it's still in
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place in New Jersey and New York, and yet I
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am still seeing videos online of these supposed UFO drones
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but no action. A excellent source through this has been
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the National UFO Reporting Center, who has been tracking the
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reports and posting them online, and as of January third,
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they document two hundred and seventy eight reports specifically rated
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related to what people are describing as drones, dating back
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to November the fifteenth, so we're talking about multiple reports
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that are coming in nearly just about every day. The
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center has received reports from Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden,
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and the United Kingdom as well, and in so doing,
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because they're so good at taking ordinary data on UFOs,
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primarily flying saucers and triangles and those kinds of objects,
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they've been able to categorize and come up with the
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trends which are very important here. In many of these
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there are sightings of large number of craft that are
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seemingly operating together, and this has been reported repeatedly to
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the National UFO Reporting Center. Also, witnesses say that despite
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looking like drones, which are usually easy to hear, when
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they're close by. These craft are silent, and they also
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say that they have been barraged with recent reports of
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glowing orbs that maneuver intelligently and often approach to a
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very close distance. So we're talking about drones attracting the
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attention of a ball of energy from who knows what
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orbs in conjunction with drones and the behavior they certainly
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are not ordinary. For instance, when you look at these
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size as has been reported, some of these they say
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are the size of cars or SUVs, some you know,
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as big as a school bus. So I wonder if
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that's people's perception or if that isn't. Indeed, what is
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going on tonight? Are these drones? Are they misidentified aircraft?
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We'll talk about that tonight. Somewhere between the paranormal and
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the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott's, Patrick Sherman, James goodall our
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guests tonight stick with us.
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Into the paranormal parm.
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This certainly fits in between the paranormal and the abnormal.
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I want to go over some of more of these
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characteristics that are being reported in some of these UFO
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or excuse me, these UFO drone reports. I'm not safe
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with the calling them drones, they are still unidentified. Nobody
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has said that these are for sure drones. We talked
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about the size of them. Also, the speed is very
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interesting because in some of these cases, these drones have
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actually outrun police drones who have tried to go out
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and get some answers as to what these things are,
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where they're coming from, why they're here, you know, the
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questions that we all want to know, and yet they
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can't keep up. Also, they appear to be quite stealthy,
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turning their lights off when approached. They seem to be
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aware of what's going on around them and or responding accordingly,
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So that says there's some sort of intelligence there, whether
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it's man or not. The fact that these drones, if
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they are above two hundred and fifty grams, are required
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to broadcast identification and location data and yet do not
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is interesting. In one case, the Ocean County Sheriff's office
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observed that the drones were emitting no heat, making them
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impossible to see with r a thermal anomaly there. And
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also they have been reported to interfere with car clocks,
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also cell phones. We played you the clip a couple
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of weeks ago about what it was doing to someone's
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car radio. They were listening to Christmas music and then
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off it went and this weird noise, uh played it played. Okay,
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now we'll get a request for that. I'll have to
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dig that up for later in the show. Up to
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fifty drones in one report were cited in coordinated flight patterns,
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and the number of reports now is in the thousands.
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Just of these drone reports, UFO drones which are able
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to stay aloft for hours, suggesting that they they've got
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something powering them that supersedes you know, what would be
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considered a hobby drone or even a small commercial drone.
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Now I'm not the expert on that, but good thing
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is I know where to find one or two. Patrick
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Sherman is a pioneer in the drone industry. It's fifteen
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years of operational experience flying small civilian uncrewed aircraft systems
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what we might call you as. He is an award
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winning educator, noted author, engaging speaker, Assistant Professor of the
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Practice at the Embry Riddle Aeronautical University Worldwide campus, the
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College of Aviation, Department of Flight. That is a long title.
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Patrick is a certified Level three Remote Pilot instructor. He's
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logged more than six hundred hours of UAS flight time.
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Is the author of several books and more than two
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hundred published articles about drones and their applications. Patrick, Welcome
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to the program.
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Thanks so much, glad to be here.
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What do you have to say about all these reports
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of drones in the sky and these are drones, if
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they are drones that are impeding the most sensitive airspace
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known to man. We're talking about military installations and airports,
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places that they can't generally go without clear and and
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yet here they are and there's no retaliation from us.
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What do you have to say, Well, I can't speak
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to the lack of retaliation. I mean, I will point
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out that according to the Federal Aviation Administration, a uas
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an uncrid aircraft system. I'll say drone for the rest
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of the show, just for the ease of speaking, is
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considered an aircraft. And if you take a potshot at
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a drone, it's exactly the same thing as shooting at
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an aircraft with people on board in the eyes of
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the law. So so I guess I'm not surprised that
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you know people is the authorities aren't being sort of
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trigger happy with you know, when they're coming to confront
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these things. So there's certainly that. And then I think,
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you know, it's a very fair question whether or not
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you know these are drones, you know, operated by humans
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from the ground, which are so common these days, versus
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some other sort of phenomena. And in your introduction you
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described you know a great many properties, glowing orbs, you know,
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capable of speeds out running, you know, commercial uas used
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by law enforcement, which frankly aren't terribly fast. But you know,
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to my mind, many of these things could be you know,
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something other than you know, drones as we understand them today.
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You would know when did you start flying drones?
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Patrick Well? Way back in twenty ten. I started with
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a friend. A friend actually sort of got me into them.
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He said, people are putting video cameras on the noses
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of model airplanes, and I was just fascinated by just
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by that capability. So we started building our own. And
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I mean they were extremely crude by today's standards, but
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had the same basic capabilities that these have today. They
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could fly over distances, they could transmit back live video
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and telemetry from their location, and as a matter of fact,
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to sort of share what we were learning, we inaugurate
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a group calling ourselves the Roswell Flight Test Crew because
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these early us were often described as looking like UFOs,
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and because we were particularly I was a brand new
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pilot and the aircraft were not super well tuned at
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that point. They crashed a lot, so it seemed to
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make sense to name our efforts after the most famous
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UFO crash in history.
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Because you can make a drone look pretty much like
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a UFO. If you wanted to write, oh.
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Yeah, if that was your goal, that would be a
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fairly straightforward process. I mean, I guess you'd have to
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decide what sort of UFO you wanted, something disc shaped
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or you know, triangular shaped, and yeah, once you decided
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that was your goal, I would imagine it would be
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pretty straightforward. And another thing to be aware of is that,
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to be sure, the sort of drones which everyone is
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familiar with referred to as a quad copter, essentially a
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helicopter with a propeller in each corner, you know, are
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often manufactured, you know, profession you go down to Best Buy,
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you take it out of the box, and you fly it.
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But people can can and still do build their own aircraft,
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And obviously, once you're doing that, you've got a much,
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you know, sort of wider set of parameters you can
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work with. You could make it larger or smaller if
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you wanted. You could certainly rig it up with with lights,
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and you know, disguise the shape of the airframe such
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that a fundamentally square shaped aircraft could indeed look like
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a circle or a triangle in the sky.
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Did you have an aviation background before you started well
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playing around and then turning in flying drones into a career.
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Sort of when I've had a lifelong fascination both with
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aviation and frankly with what today we call the UAP
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the UFO phenomena, So I'm sort of comfortable in both worlds.
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But yeah, when I was in college, I earned my
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private pilot's certificate. But it turns out that the flying
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is a is a hobby for the wealthy and I
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am not so so I had to give that up.
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small civilian drones to my attention, I thought this would
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be a way I could get back involved with aviation,
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but without you know, having to rent an airplane for
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hundreds of dollars an hour. So yes, one definitely led
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into the other in my case.
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All right, and so you started getting some sort of
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Was there a place to learn how to fly these
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things back then? Or was it a lot of a
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trial there? His trial and error?
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we'd go out and fly them until they crashed so
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much they couldn't fly anymore than we'd go back and
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repair them, take them out the next day and do
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it again. And furthermore, compared to a modern uas a
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modern drone, the flight control systems were extremely primitive. If
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you take one out and fly it today, you have
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a GPS receiver and a wealth of other sensors which
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you're making sure you don't run into anything and maintain
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aircraft's stability. If the early ones didn't have any of that,
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the pilot had to do all of it, and I
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am particular, there wasn't any good at it at all.
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So there's a lot of painful trial and error in
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those early days.
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Well, it sounds like they have evolved quite a lot
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in a short amount of time, would you agree, Oh.
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technology has come on, and I think it's you know,
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I think to many extent the authorities and industries are
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still sort of trying to catch up with what the
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capabilities are. I mean, companies regularly advertise capabilities which would
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be a violation of rules if you use them.
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Well, that thought more with Patrick Sherman, our guest tonight
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on into the pair of normal. I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere
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between the paranormal and the a.
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This is parubnormal news. NASA is hitting the brakes on
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the Mars Sample Return mission for now. The project is
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a partnership with the European Space Agency to bring Martian
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rock and soil samples from over one hundred and forty
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million miles away back to Earth. The materials collected by
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the Perseverance rover could hold clues to the red planet's history,
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the possibility of ancient life, and, according to Associate Administrator
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of the Science Mission director at Nikki Fox, the early
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Solar System.
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The samples that we have taken by Perseverance actually pre date.
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They are older than any of the samples rocks that
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we could take here on Earth.
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NASA says the delay is necessary to address technical challenges
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and the need for additional analysis and planning. The agency
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has announced it won't finalize plans for the ambitious mission
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until at least mid twenty twenty six. George Henry para
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normal news.
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There are drums.
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The owner of this sky.
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This is over my house right now.
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What is that?
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An alarming drone incident about the size of a car.
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We were at some points right under them and there
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was no noise at all.
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The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark.
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You're just pacing back and forth, going very slow.
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Right.
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Patterson Air Force Base. Airspace was closed for about four
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hours after small, unidentified drones were spotted near the base.
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How were you the extreme caution for a heavy UIA
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movement on the base?
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What's really the truth into the fear of normal? Separating
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fact from fish.
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We want to know where these drones are, these alien
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spacecraft are these surveillance is there something? Is there some
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threat and they're trying to get to the bottom of it,
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trying to sniff it out. I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between
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the paranormal and the abnormal. Our guest this hour, Patrick Sherman,
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licensed drone pilot College professor author Getting Started with Drones
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and model airplanes. It was a book that came out
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last year talking about his experience of over fifteen years
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now in the drone industry. You were talking about how
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you began to make these at home models, and now
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I'm guessing it's evolved so much that you don't try
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to make them at home, you buy them, right.
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Well, yes, that's certainly what I do. I mean, it
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really depends on what the intent of the operator is.
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If your goal is simply to capture beautiful imageries or
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a rock quarry or something, you're much better off just
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going and buying one for one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars.
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You can get a remarkably capable aircraft which can do
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some amazing things. So I mean, you could absolutely build
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your own to accomplish that, but that would probably be
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more expensive, certainly more time consuming, and likely more frustrating
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than just going and getting one from the shop.
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So somebody gave me a drone for Christmas and I
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haven't pulled it out of the box yet, but I
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sent you a picture of it.
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What is that?
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Yes, well, I couldn't tell you the exact make and model.
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I will say it is an inexpensive toy drone I
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probably quite limited in its capabilities, But if you want
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to learn how to fly drone, it's also a great
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place to start because, frankly, the price of making even
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a catastrophic error is pretty small.
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You know.
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I always tell people you can learn to fly with
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a ten thousand dollars aircraft. You can learn to fly
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with a one hundred dollars aircraft. Just keep in mind
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you're going to wreck your first aircraft, so choose wise.
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And I would need to have some sort of license
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before I did this or what.
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Well, it depends on the aircraft if it's well. If
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you're going to fly any aircraft recreationally, you have to
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take what's called trust the Recreational UAS Safety Test, which
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is absolutely adorable, and it's offered for free by a
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number of nonprofit organizations, the Academy of Model Aeronautics, the
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Boy Scouts of America, and also my own institution, embry Riddle.
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It takes about forty five minutes. You go take the test.
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You know you, frankly, you can't fail. It's corrected to
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one hundred percent. Once that's done, you print out a
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little certificate against you, and then you're legal to fly recreationally.
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If you want to operate a drone commercially, that is
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to the benefit of yourself or somebody else, you have
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to pass a much more stringent test, which you have
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to take at a local testing center, typically a general
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Aviation airports. The privilege will cost you about one hundred
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and seventy five bucks. There are sixty questions, you get
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two hours, passing scores seventy percent, and I would recommend
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you study before you take that test.
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Interesting, So when I said earlier drones above two hundred
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and fifty grams are required to broadcast identification and location data,
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is that an accurate statement?
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Yes, that is exactly correct. What you're referring to is
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specifically known in industry as remote identification, or we will
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often say our ID for short. It's been in force
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for a couple of years now. Nobody is supposed to
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sell you a drone unless it has this capability built in.
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And if you have an older drone which you wish
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to continue to fly, you're supposed to purchase an external
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module for like fifty bucks, which you can velcrow to
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it and it will serve the same essential functions. There
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are few minor technical differences, but for our purposes they're
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the same.
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So it's also true, right that under these regulations drones
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are required to transmit a signal remote ID signal. Perhaps
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I mean the drones that are the big ones. If
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these are drones that people are reporting, drones of that
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size would be required to transmit that signal.
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Right, Oh well, legally there would be absolutely no question that, yes,
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they would have to be transmitting that. And frankly, aircraft
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the size of an suv, the size of a school bus.
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While it's possible to construct an aircraft which in some
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ways would resemble a drone of that scale, which is
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being experimented on, and what's called advanced air mobility, essentially
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electric helicopters that built like drones that would almost certainly
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be fitted with what's called an ADSB transmitter Automated defended surveillance.
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It's broadcast, which is what essentially all airplanes carry it.
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It transmits a lot of the same information as remote
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ID actually, but it's much more powerful intended to be
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picked up over a much greater range. So if you
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go flying an assessment a one seventy two or seven
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thirty seven, it's going to have an ADSP transmitter on it,
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And any aircraft the size of a school bus, regardless
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of if it's electrically powered, gas powered, whatever, is going
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to have an ADSB transmitter.
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I point think point being if these aircraft were in compliance,
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it means they could then be identified. But for what
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we're being told, they can't identify. They don't know where
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they're taking off, they don't know where they're landing. We
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can only assume that either the drones are not transmitting
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this signal and thus operating illegally, or is it even
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possible that the authorities haven't even tried to pick up
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that signal, maybe they don't have the technology to do
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so well.
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I would find that that would stretch the bounds of
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plausibility nearly to the breaking point. If you would like,
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if your listeners would like, you can go onto your
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app store or your I guess what's Apple's app store
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or the Android store whatever. You can download an app
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called Drone Scanner into your phone for free, and it
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will pick up these signals and help you interpret them. So,
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you know, some enterprising police officer you know could download
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this thing for free and begin tracking these aircraft. It
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wouldn't be that complicated. And then furthermore, well, I mean,
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what I find especially interesting about this in terms of
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government agencies is that all drones are essentially radio controlled aircraft.
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The person on the ground directing them, you know, is
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emitting radio waves. The control in their hands is emitting
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radio waves which the drone picks up and responds to
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and then in return, the drone sends it back video
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and telemetry signals. Now, detecting those is beyond the problems
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of sort of your your average person on the street.
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But you know, for a government agency that that should
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be a pretty straightforward task. And obviously, just by analyzing
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where the radio waves are coming from, the relative strength,
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et cetera, you could ascertain where the operator was on
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the ground, where the aircraft was, et cetera, et cetera.
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And again I couldn't do this, You probably couldn't do it.
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But you know, for the FAA, for the military, this
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should not be that big a challenge to track those signals,
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which again are essentially required for anything we would call
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a drove.
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Got go to break. We'll be back with Patrick Sherman
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on into the pair abnormal.
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Into the pair abnormal pair.
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Of I'm Jeremy's gott somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
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Patrick So website if you want to go find out
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more about him, and the YouTube channel as well is
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the Roswell Flight Test Crew. So the website is Roswell
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Flight testcrew dot com and also the YouTube channel. We've
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got links, of course available on the episode page. He
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started flying drones before drones were cool, and they've come
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a long way. And so do you think that drones
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have evolved enough in which they're able to do what
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some people are reporting if these are actually drones.
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Well what people are reporting, of course, there's enormous variation
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of in terms of an object, you know, the size
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of an suv moving silently. No, there is no aircraft
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crued or uncrewed that I am aware of which could
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demonstrate that type of performance. I mean, I'm aware of
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some things which could maybe theoretically achieve that sort of performance,
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But I mean, why would you be test flying them
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lights on over New Jersey? You know, you go to
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some remote area to test fly them, or if you
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were going to fly them in a populated area, you'd
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certainly announced for the general public. Hey, we're going to
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be flying this weird thing around, but so so, no,
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I mean, nothing about that strikes me as being you know,
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if again taking all aspects of the report as factual,
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you know, no, that does not comport with any sort
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of aircraft I'm familiar with.
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Okay, So you say that you've looked at some of
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the photos from the New Jersey sightings, which were some
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of the first here in the States, and I mean,
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you've seen enough drones over the years. What did these
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look like to you?
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Well, I mean, again, these are photos I've seen online
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which are purported to come from sightings in New Jersey.
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I mean, I can't speak to the actual province of
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any of them, but certainly a number of them I
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looked at I could say pretty conclusively were conventional crude aircraft,
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either light airplanes you know, cessenas, et cetera, or helicopters.
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And I guess sort of the point I'd like to
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make more broadly, for whatever it's worth, is that as
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long as humans have been looking at the sky, they've
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been seeing things they don't understand. And you know, who
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knows what all these things may be. But I think that,
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you know, we're sort of primed by our cultural contexts
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to decide what we're looking at. So when you know,
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00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.279
ancient peoples looked at the sky, they saw gods or angels,
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you know, and in more recent eras, you know, during
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our own you know, space age, we saw spacecraft. And
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so it's not surprising to me now that drones are
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in the forefront of everyone's mind that when someone looks
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at the sky and sees something they can't explain, they
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call it a drone. You know, Is it, you know,
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any more a drone than a spacecraft than an angel?
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I mean, I don't know, but I think that, you know,
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it's it's more of that psychological phenomenon of latching onto
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you know, what's new to explain this unknown thing which
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you're witnessing.
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So are we being fooled here? You think some people
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at least, I mean, I haven't seen one of these things,
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so I can't say whether or not I think it's
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a drone or I believe these people are seeing what
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looks like a drone. But there's enough people saying it,
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and so I'm paying attention to that. The question is
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everybody seeing what they think they're seeing or is their
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mind already made up going in And I know this
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is asking you to speculate a little bit, saying, well,
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everybody's reporting these drones. So when I look up and
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I see this thing and I can't explain it, well,
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it's got to be a drone.
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Yeah, I think there's I mean again, I was not standing,
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but even one of these people as they had a
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00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.559
sightings So as you say this is strictly speculation, I
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00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.480
think it's worth pointing out, however, that there are a
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number of phenomena which can affect the human eye and
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the human mind when making an observation at night, and
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most of us don't think about them because they don't
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enter into our daily lives, but they are quite important
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for pilots, and they can't explain some peculiar things we
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think we see in the night sky. For example, there's
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a phenomenon called autokinesis, which is if there's a single
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point which isn't moving, like a star or potentially a
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00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.760
bright beacon out on the horizon, if you just sit
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00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.599
there and stare at it long enough, you will believe
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it's starting to move.
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It's not.
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00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.920
It's a static as it ever was, But this is
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a thing which is happening in your visual perception. Another
534
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.599
thing to be aware of is what's called night central
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00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.639
blind spot. That is, the cones in our eyes, the
536
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.360
things which allow us to see very rich detailed color images,
537
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.159
are all centered right in the middle of our eye,
538
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.840
and the rods are scattered around the edges of our eye.
539
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.440
Those give us our night vision, our ability to perceive
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00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.599
in low light. However, they tend to be black and
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white and essentially lower resolution, to put it in modern terms,
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And so pilots are taught when they're looking at, you know,
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an object way off in the distance to actually look
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00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.800
off to the side of it, because if you stare
545
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.039
directly at a dim light in the distance or presumably
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00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.440
in a room, it will eventually disappear. Not I mean,
547
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.920
the light is still there, but your eye loses the
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00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.719
ability to perceive it because you're hitting it with your
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00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.119
not very light sensitive cones. So if you look slightly
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00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.039
off to the side, that light will reappear. So it
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00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.760
certainly are phenomenon which can influence what we perceive ourselves
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00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.360
as seeing at night. And again, I think if our
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social context has sort of you know, front loaded us
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00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.360
to see drones in the sky because all of our
555
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.000
neighbors have seen drones in the sky, or so they say.
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When we look up and see something we don't see
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00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.480
or understand, we're most likely going to label it as
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a drone. Again, my one person's opinion, and I wasn't there,
559
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.519
but yeah, I think there's definitely a possibility that people
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who aren't accustomed to looking up into the night sky
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are looking up seeing something they cannot immediately identify and
562
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.280
only naturally assuming well, this must be one of those
563
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:24.599
drones I've been hearing about.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely, it was only a matter of time before drones
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became just as popular as ordinary U foes. You would
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have to agree that there are more of these drones
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in the skies, at least theoretically today than there have
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ever been.
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00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.360
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure with each passing day
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that becomes more true. Yeah, I mean, you know, initially,
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certainly when I started, it was sort of a hobby
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for you know, the intrepid and the fool hardy, And
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then you know, it's become more and more popular to
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the point where these are very practical aircraft being used
576
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for lots of useful applications, you know, stockpile estimation, monitoring
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00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.239
crop health, conducting search and rescue missions, what's called linear inspection,
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inspecting a pipeline or a utility corridor. So, yes, there
579
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are more and more and more of them flying, that's
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00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.880
absolutely true. Now again this doesn't begin to explain the
581
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you know, the the observed characteristics and size of the
582
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.599
aircraft being reported. But but yes, there are. There are
583
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.440
categorically more drones flying today than ever before, and tomorrow
584
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.599
that will also be true.
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How big can they get?
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Well, probably the biggest example of something which anybody would
587
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.239
reasonably call a drone would be called was what we're
588
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:48.119
being referred to as advanced air Mobility vehicles, which again
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00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.039
looks sort of like a drone and maybe a helicopter
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00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.639
had a baby. So it's got four or eight or
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00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.360
twelve propellers, you know, but it's got that very distinctive
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drone shape. But it's got a cabin on it which
593
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.800
could hold between say one and six people, so that
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would be suv size, that would be you know, maybe
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potentially school bus size. But again those only fly and
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00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.000
you know, very carefully controlled areas. One would I cannot
597
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.280
see somebody taking one out for a joy ride around
598
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the New Jersey skies, you know, in the middle of
599
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the night. That makes no sense to me at all.
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And again, if that was somehow happening, you know, the
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FAA would insist they would have an ADSB transmitter on board.
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00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.920
So so theoretically it could be that, but I and
603
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then furthermore, they would They're not tremendously loud, but you
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would hear them.
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00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.440
What about power source? Is there something that could keep
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this thing powered for hours upon hours?
607
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.400
Well, most of these aircraft, certainly virtually all small drones
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and many of the aircraft were describing are powered by batteries,
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and batteries are quite in their power. You can slap
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an internal combustion engine to include on a medium sized drone.
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00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.719
You've got a meter meter and a half across. But
612
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.360
though I mean it sounds like an unmuffled leaf blower flying,
613
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.039
you're not gonna you know, that's not going to fool you.
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The one thing which could conceivably, you know, deliver extended
615
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.000
performance would be a hydrogen fuel cell, which are used
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again in some exotic applications where flight time is the
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00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.039
real premium, and there'd be a lot of trade offs,
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00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.599
but you could probably fly for several hours if you
619
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.639
were using the hydrogen fuel cell. But again that's exotic
620
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.559
technology not widely available.
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00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.320
Patrick, So appreciate you coming on the program today. Tell
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00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.400
the audience about your books where they can follow you
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00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:45.239
all that good stuff.
624
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.639
Yeah, it's for sure. Well you don't put the links
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00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:49.880
on your site, which is probably the best way. But yeah,
626
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.719
my most recent book is Getting Started with Drones and
627
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.199
Mutel Airplanes. If you want to start doing this yourself,
628
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.480
and I promise it's a lot of fun, go ahead
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00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.360
and pick that one up. I also made a book
630
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.760
for kids called Drones How They Fly. It's a coloring
631
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.239
book based on two of the first drones we ever built.
632
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.400
Sort are talking about how you could be safe around
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00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.519
them and what you can get up to with them.
634
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.000
So those are the things I think people might enjoy.
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00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.639
All right, fantastic, And you've got a YouTube channel as well.
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00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.320
That's right. Just just type Roswell Flight test Crew into
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00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.719
Google and you will find more than you would ever
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00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:22.280
want to know.
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00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.440
Patrick, thanks so much. We really appreciate it.
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00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.599
All right, So glad to have you on, Jeremy. I
641
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.119
appreciate you taking the time talk.
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00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.639
To absolutely you might become our drone guy before too long,
643
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.800
because you know it's continuing to happen. They're not going away.
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00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:36.400
Don't be fooled.
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00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.840
We'll be back stream us on your favorite apps from
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00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.760
anywhere in the world anytime, day or night.
647
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.039
Into the pair of normal with Jeremy Scott.
648
00:40:48.239 --> 00:41:01.239
There's a parallel universe separation while we perceived free reality.
649
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.119
Over the game, then.
650
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:25.639
Into the pair, into the paved into the parent.
651
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.679
From the cold dark death of a secret dungeon somewhere
652
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.559
deep in the remove to sitting in the Northwest. You're
653
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.840
traveling into the bar with Jeremy Scott.
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00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.440
You know I've got many questions, and so do you
655
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.840
as well. I know I have not been the only
656
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:53.280
person to say I wonder if these drones have anything
657
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:59.119
to do with any planned acts of terrorism. And then
658
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:07.440
of course we had an act of terrorism, maybe an
659
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.480
act or two, and at least in one of these cases,
660
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:19.039
an interesting email going around make some claims as it
661
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:26.800
has to do about anti gravitics and the drones. So
662
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.199
very suspicious about that. But I understand that the authorities
663
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.159
and again I'm talking about the case of the person
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who was shot or shot themselves. And then there was
665
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.440
this explosion in one of a Elon Musk's cyber truck
666
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.239
I believe, as it's called vehicles, happened to be outside
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00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.280
of a Trump hotel there in Vegas. That's the one
668
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.960
I'm talking about. Well, this individual has claimed that the
669
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drones are a cover story and that you know, the
670
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:07.079
US is basically in possession of some of this advanced technology,
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00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:15.960
or this is advanced technology and this is how it operates. Well,
672
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.960
my problem is we don't have the capabilities to track
673
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.239
whatever these are, let alone deal with it. And that
674
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:37.079
is a scary thought. If these are drones of such
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00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.119
a high caliber and we don't have the technology in
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00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.000
which to track them, or even which to neutralize them
677
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.719
in some capacity, we are behind in this fight. And
678
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:57.400
that is a concern. Why is this any different than
679
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.800
the objects that were shot down two years years ago?
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00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.760
In that case, these objects were dealt with. They were
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00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:09.920
considered to be a threat, and so they were dealt
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00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.440
with accordingly, which happened to be with force, and several
683
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.400
of these were shot down in the US and Canada. Now,
684
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.039
of course we never found out what those objects were.
685
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.440
One of them, they said was a Chinese spy balloon,
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to which China says, a yeah, nice try. Those objects, though,
687
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.800
seem to post less of a threat than something that
688
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.920
appears more solid and as big as some of these
689
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.400
objects are. And certainly you're not going to shoot these
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00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.000
objects down, but how are we not able to track them?
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I think what Patrick was talking about in the first
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hour of the program is, you know, you and I
693
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.840
may not be able to do that to do this,
694
00:44:56.039 --> 00:45:01.039
but they're the government and by all means they should
695
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:06.920
be able to do it. And yet we are months
696
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.960
into this and we still don't have any answers. That
697
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:17.719
remains an unexplained and perhaps the reason that we are
698
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.079
handling it in such a way is because we are
699
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.239
in on it. And that's why there has been no
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00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.239
official position stated by the government, because you know, they
701
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.920
want to prolong this. They're trying to stretch it out
702
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:38.840
because they're not exactly sure how it might play out.
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00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.119
If it so happens to be that these objects are
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00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.760
sniffing out some sort of a nuclear weapons or a bomb,
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00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:54.239
maybe something like could have been used in the attack
706
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.679
they're in Las Vegas, and maybe the situation in Houston,
707
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:08.480
and who knows where else if they think that there's
708
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.920
more out there that might explain this. But you know,
709
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:17.440
that's not necessarily a comforting thing to tell people. And
710
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.239
so if that is the situation, or if these are
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00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.079
adversaries and they don't know how to handle them, you
712
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:26.280
would just you would just prolong this. And so you know,
713
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:30.039
there has been no official government position, and it'll probably
714
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.519
end up just exactly like the balloons did as well.
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00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.440
I'll say that they were balloons. Who knows what they were.
716
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.440
It certainly appeared some of these were metallic objects. I'm
717
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.480
talking about the one two years ago. The series of
718
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.880
those that were shot down looked like metallic objects. Could
719
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:52.360
have been, you know, some sort of balloons or light aircraft,
720
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:59.599
who knows. But just like that, I think it'll just
721
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.079
fizzle away. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll only time will only
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00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.239
tell as far as that is concerned. But why are
723
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.559
people reporting these? Going back to what the National UFO
724
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.840
Reporting Center has collected over the past couple of months,
725
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:23.280
and it really is some interesting data. I will say
726
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.559
that the fact is that these don't look like ordinary objects,
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and so people feel the need in which to report this,
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and some of it, yeah, probably is overblown. People believe
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that just because there's a wave of sightings, it's gotta
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be one of these. They reported as such, and we've
731
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certainly heard it stated that these objects, when it appears
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that we're getting eyes on them, or that authorities may
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be approaching, they have been known to just suddenly go dark.
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And so they are using the lights in which to
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grab our attention, and then they shut them off when
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they are approached or when they are being followed, and
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it has been reported that they have been performing evasive maneuvers.
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There's a shocking thing that has also happened, although I
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00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.800
guess it's not much of a surprise. It was only
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a matter of time. I mean here, it was just
741
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a couple of weeks ago that the authorities were talking
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about the shooting down of objects using well, they said
743
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deadly force. I don't know what other things they had
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planned for deadly force against these objects that seemingly has
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not happened. There had been some close calls from what
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I understand, and a friend of the program, Ryan Graves,
747
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.440
who is a former Navy pilot, actually the first active
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00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.360
duty pilot to come forward on UAPs. We talked to
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00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.679
him last year, actually in person, live in McMinnville at
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mcminnimon's UFO fest. He is a executive director of Americans
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00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.679
for Safe Aerospace, and he has dropped a bombshell. He
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is brought forth a report from a whistleblower which actually
753
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details not just a close call, but an actual collision.
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Hees a collision involving an object that to some might
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argue could have possibly been a drone. So whatever these
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happened to be, it is a very abnormal thing to
757
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:03.039
be happening. This is a certainly not something that was
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ever had to be dealt with five, ten, fifteen, twenty
759
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thirty years ago in aviation. So it's changed eufhology. And
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00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:19.960
again people aren't reporting saucers anymore. They're reporting orbs, balls
761
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of light, drones, all sorts of things. More to come
762
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somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. Hoping we can
763
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get James Goodall on the program, we'll see how about that.
764
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Into the pair of normal, pair of normal.
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I'm Jeremy, it's got somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
766
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I want to finish what I was saying about what
767
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.840
Ryan Graves are reported from the whistleblower and then we'll
768
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get right to James Goodall for sure. But Graves was
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00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:23.079
saying that a whistleblower came to Americans First Safe Aerospace
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regarding a mid air collision between a Golfstream jets and
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00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:32.920
an unidentified metallic object that occurred off the coast of
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00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.599
Florida on December eleventh at approximately twenty seven thousand feet
773
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.679
and resulted in engine failure and an emergency landing. There
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are indications that the unidentified object may have been a
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00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:52.400
drone operating off the east coast with atypical characteristics. The
776
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whistleblower is concerned because this altitude is highly regulated Class
777
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A airspace that requires flight plans and transponders. But in
778
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this instance, there is no flight plans for the object
779
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:09.079
and it was not transponding. We can largely eliminate the
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possibility of common objects because a weather balloon would have
781
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:18.159
been transponding. This altitude is too high for hobby drones
782
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and illegal for any drone. There is no biological indicator
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00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.360
of a bird strike, and video of the engine shows
784
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metal damage. He says, I am concerned of incident. The
785
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.360
incident is being downplayed by the FAA. The report is
786
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:37.440
being classified as an incident and not an accident, which
787
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:43.440
would require public announcement, investigation by NTSB, and an explanation.
788
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.480
He says, what is going on here? Major air safety
789
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.960
events should be handled transparently. We welcome back to the program.
790
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World renowned expert on the SR seventy one Blackbird spyplane,
791
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the F one seventeen stealth fighter Lockheed Skullunk Works, Area
792
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.239
fifty one, retired from the US Air Force, James Goodall
793
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good to have you on the program. How are you.
794
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Oh, I'm doing great. It's been a crazy day, I
795
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.840
was all coming on the program tonight. I've I have
796
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a lot of friends that live in LA I have
797
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:27.400
some friends that live in Hollywood Hills, and apparently all
798
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:32.039
of Pacific Palisades is gone. And that's that was a
799
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billionaire on clay right on the right outside of Santa Monica, right.
800
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But it's something terrible, and so I was I was,
801
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I apologize for that.
802
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No, no, no, that's perfectly fine. In fact, I wanted
803
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to make sure we talked about the crash anyway, because
804
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.519
here's a case of an incursion, as I'll call them.
805
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.400
Do you agree with that terminology? Incursion? Are these incursions
806
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.880
that we're experiencing now in the skies. And by the way,
807
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.079
praise prayer for la I didn't mean to gloss that over,
808
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:02.840
but I just.
809
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.719
I mean, there's fortunately, there has only there have been
810
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.800
very few fatalities, but there are. You know, they're probably
811
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a trillion dollars worth of real estate just went up
812
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in smoke. And when you when you have a whole
813
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:24.199
neighborhood of ten to thirty million dollar homes and the
814
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:31.760
whole neighborhood goes up in flames, that's significant. But that's
815
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.239
beside the point. So let's yeah, yeah, I am I.
816
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.440
For those who don't know I am, I'm a published author.
817
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.280
I have actually twenty eight books in print. My twenty
818
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.920
ninth book has been waiting on the Navy to let
819
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.320
me get on an SSGN, one of the Ohio boats
820
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:54.159
that were modified to be an arsenal boat, and that's
821
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.480
the Michigan was coming back from Guam and I got.
822
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.119
I talked to public affairs yesterday at Europe in Washington
823
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.320
State and they said, oh, no, it's been it's been
824
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reassigned somewhere. So there's there's another hot spot that's going
825
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:11.639
to But the you know, I saw my first Blackbird
826
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and the one of the reasons why it's such an
827
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.280
obsession with me. I joined the Air Force because I
828
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:21.320
loved airplanes and I really wanted to be close to them.
829
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.760
As it turns out, I got into communications, which didn't
830
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.599
really allow me to didn't get me into airplanes, so
831
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.079
to speak. But I was stationed at Lower Air Force
832
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.159
Base in Denver, and I got a set of orders
833
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to go to Edwards Air Force Base in California to
834
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support three aircraft going through Category one testing with ground
835
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based telemetry. I was a Lockheed YC one one Starlifter,
836
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the North American Aviation XB seventy Valkyrie, which was a
837
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.039
six engine Mock three bomber, and a classified program which
838
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.800
turned out to be the Blackbird. And on March tenth,
839
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.000
nineteen sixty four, at three point fifteen in the afternoon,
840
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I saw what changed my entire life. I saw I
841
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:18.559
was I had work some overtime there to Edwards, and
842
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:20.559
you don't get paid overtime if you're in the military,
843
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.960
but you get what they call comp time for overtime.
844
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:25.800
So I had like three days off I can do.
845
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.400
So I decided I was going to go too, going
846
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to Beach. My grandmother lived there, so I was going
847
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.719
to I took the Hawthorne shuttle. It was it was
848
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:39.880
a North Through Aircraft company had a shuttle flight I
849
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.639
think every hour from Edward's Air Force Base to Hawthorn
850
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.320
and then they brings you know, people back and forth.
851
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:51.320
They ran all day long, and it was an Italian going.
852
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:56.119
It was a piaggio. And when I'm waiting there to
853
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.119
get in the airport, I hear this roar and I
854
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.840
got see what it is because whatever it is is
855
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:06.679
blowing debris all across Rogers Dry Lake. So it running
856
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.599
down the taxiway and I looked towards the new tower,
857
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.559
which is now the old tower. Of course, I was
858
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.880
sixty years ago, and I thought at first was it
859
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:21.679
was the X fifteen rocket powered aircraft. And that wasn't
860
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.039
the case because the people were too small compared to
861
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.320
the airplane. And about then they said, hey, we're loading.
862
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.840
So I went running back, jumped in the airplane. And
863
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.559
every seat is a window seat or an aisle seat,
864
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:35.960
and however you want to look at it. And we
865
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.320
took off directly over the lake bed and we banked
866
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.239
over and we looked down. I looked down. I'm looking
867
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:44.800
at the top of this blackbird and they had just
868
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:48.280
shut off the engines and they were in the process
869
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.440
of towing. They see one thirty in front of it,
870
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.199
and I knew how big I see one thirty was
871
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.480
And do you look down on it and see it?
872
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:02.639
I mean it was. It was incredible. So I maybe
873
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.400
I spent the week in Newport Beach and then Gunda
874
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:10.000
Beach whatever. When I got back to Edwards that following Sunday,
875
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.960
and Edwards was in the middle of nowhere today, but
876
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.639
it was even more in the middle of uh nowhere
877
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:23.320
sixty years ago. So I get to the section Monday morning,
878
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.760
hander my handed my work orders it's for the Lockheed Hangar,
879
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.440
and I go into I go into the hangar and
880
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.960
I as I walk into it, I'm looking at the
881
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:41.800
rear end of two blackbirds and I knew right then
882
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.960
and there that I just found a new obsession for me.
883
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:46.760
I'm going to be I'm going to be obsessed with
884
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.840
this thing for the rest of my life. As it
885
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.880
turns out, that was a correct assessment of my obsession.
886
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.360
Uh So, I just started digging as much stuff as
887
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.639
I could up on the blackbird, and yeah, back then
888
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.559
it was you didn't talk about it because it was classified.
889
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.119
But when I got out of the when I got
890
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:09.960
out of the Air Force in sixty six, I wrote
891
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.400
letters to the Air Force, to Lockheed, to CIA, to
892
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:20.639
Secretary of Defense. I was asking for non classified photos
893
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.760
in the air of SR seventy ones. I didn't even
894
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:30.679
know about the A twelve, and their official policy was
895
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:35.199
not to cooperate. This is all the agency, everybody I contacted.
896
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.320
So I started digging, and the more I dug, the
897
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:40.039
more I found out, The more I found out, the
898
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.840
deeper I dug, And over the course of the last
899
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:50.039
sixty two years, sixty three years now sixty sixty one years,
900
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:56.119
excuse me, I'm probably the most knowledgeable person on the
901
00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.880
that's still alive on the history, development operation of the
902
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.920
Lucky Skunkworks Blackbirds, from the A twelve to the y
903
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.880
F twelve interceptor, to the SR seventy one A, B
904
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.480
and C to Big Tail, and to the little Bird
905
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.400
that Kelly Johnson referred to as he couldn't talk about
906
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.559
it because they're still classified. This was in eighty three.
907
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:21.719
I hold that thought, James, we do have to take
908
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.760
our bottom of the eartbreak We'll be back with James
909
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:29.480
Goodall after the news. I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal.
910
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.360
And the abnormal.
911
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.840
This is parabnormal News. We may finally have an answer
912
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:57.840
to one of astronomy's great mysteries. Fast radio bursts. First
913
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.599
discovered in two thousand and seven, these millisecond long, powerful
914
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.519
radio signals have traveled billions of light years to reach Earth.
915
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.800
New research from MIT has identified the source of an
916
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.880
FRB that was detected in twoenty twenty two. It originated
917
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:18.639
from a neutron star located two hundred million light years
918
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:22.280
away that is surrounded by a dense magnetic field, which
919
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:26.159
scientists believe is the source of the signals. Astronomers have
920
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:30.280
detected thousands of fast radio bursts over the past eighteen years,
921
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.280
from within our own galaxy to as far as a
922
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:38.159
billion light years away. I'm George Henry Paranormal News.
923
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.400
We had an aircraft in front of you that thirty seven.
924
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.880
I reported something passed over him and we didn't have
925
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.239
any targets. So let me know if you see anything
926
01:01:58.280 --> 01:01:58.760
pass over you.
927
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.840
Yeah, on, bro, there's a whole fleet. I have a
928
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:10.719
look on the assay. My god, oh, go ahead.
929
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:11.920
I can't the wind that wins.
930
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:13.440
One hundred and plant outs in the west.
931
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.000
Im. But if there's a thing, it's rotating.
932
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.760
There's multiple drones all over this here for here fort
933
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.320
to night now power use extreme cont for a heavy
934
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:28.639
uia uh movement on the beach.
935
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.639
Oh, we just had a peerman are.
936
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:37.679
Hold on tight. You're about to land somewhere into the
937
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.280
air ab normalm.
938
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.119
And hopefully it is not a crash landing or a
939
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:50.440
mid air collision. Was it a drone? Was it one
940
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:53.320
of those drones that have been stocking the East coast
941
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.480
and other cities that collected with that aircraft last month.
942
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:01.159
I'm Jeremy Scott. This is into the pair of normal,
943
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.800
and we're talking with the retired US Air Force member
944
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:13.440
James Goodall, also expert on all things Lockheed skunk Works. James,
945
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:18.519
you were telling us about some of the craft that
946
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.199
they have worked on and that you've become familiar with.
947
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:26.039
Well, I mean, I'm an expert, and that's per Lockey.
948
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:28.639
That's for Ben Rich telling me. He said, I don't
949
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.400
believe there's anybody at Lockheed. I know there's nobody else
950
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.280
out there that has the understanding and the background of
951
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.239
what we do here at the skunk Works than you.
952
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.360
And one of the reasons we got a blackbird in
953
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:48.639
Minneapolis is I spoke with Ben Rich about once a
954
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.480
quarter for over twenty years. For whatever reason, he loved
955
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:57.920
my passion for the for the Skunkworks, especially the Blackbirds.
956
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:03.159
But just thing about Lockeed I was just I mean
957
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:05.400
when I was eleven years old, and maybe I closer
958
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:09.440
to ten years old, that's a long time ago. I
959
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:13.239
got locked in the cockpit of the prototype x F
960
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:17.840
one O four. It was at Ames the big wind Tunnels,
961
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:23.239
and it was still classified secret. And my best friend
962
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.599
at the time, his dad was commander at Moffortfield Naval
963
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.559
Air Station and Danny called me up one Saturday morning
964
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:35.119
and he said, I said, are you free And I
965
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.440
said yeah, Why, I said, can you come out to
966
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.239
jump in your bike and come up to Moffett Field.
967
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.320
I said, sure, I don't need an excuse to go
968
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.920
to moffatt It's one of the places I like going to.
969
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:50.760
The lot of It was four hundred airplanes here at
970
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:55.599
the time, and Danny and I were we were there's
971
01:04:55.719 --> 01:05:01.800
so much around the base that we became in you
972
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.079
hiding in playing sight, so to speak. And we were
973
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:09.519
always referred to as Captain Smith's son and that friend
974
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:13.320
of his, and that friend of his was me. But
975
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:18.000
we went into the big hangar one and at the
976
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.119
far end, closer to the base, there was the bay,
977
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.760
not the base, closer to the San Francisco Bay, there
978
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:26.559
was an area that was cordoned off and just had
979
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.559
black curtains and to keep out sign And you're not
980
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.159
going to tell a couple of ten year old kids
981
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.480
they can't go do something, especially if it's supposed to
982
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.079
be really interesting. Then Danny knew it was there. I didn't,
983
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:42.119
so we h. He pushes the curtain back. We parked
984
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:44.440
our bikes. He walked over. He purses the curtain back
985
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.119
and there is a shiny, brand new, never been in
986
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:54.679
the air prototype x F one zero four Starfighter. That
987
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.679
was the one with the seven foot wings, and it
988
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:01.719
was advertising and promoted back in the day is missile
989
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.039
with a man in it because it would go mock
990
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:06.599
too and it and it looked pretty much like a dagger.
991
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:09.320
And that was really that was really the beginning of
992
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:13.159
my obsession with Luckey Skunkworks airplanes. But I never in
993
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.800
my life ever thought one I would see a you know,
994
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.320
actually see a blackbird fly.
995
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:20.559
Uh.
996
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:25.719
I've been in the cockpit of all eight of the
997
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:30.519
different manned blackbirds. An A twelve and A twelve B,
998
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.039
which is the one that's in the USS Intrepid in
999
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.800
New York City, A T E, A T A twelve
1000
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.719
which was the trainer. You had a y F twelve interceptor,
1001
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.119
and that's what I saw at Edwards. You have an
1002
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:50.480
s R seventy one, A B and C and bigtail.
1003
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:54.880
I've been to the cockpit of all eight types. And
1004
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.639
Ben Ritt says there's only probably three people on the
1005
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:02.199
planet that can say that, and I want and I
1006
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.960
would be the fourth. So that diggles the heck outomy
1007
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.800
and I just one thing led to another. I've had
1008
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.519
a fascination of things that go bump in the night.
1009
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.760
I've always believed in UFOs, and you know, in my
1010
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.400
research and doing stuff on the blackbird, I had an
1011
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.119
opportunity to interview an SR seventy one pilot friend of
1012
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.519
mine because he crashed. He had a bailout of the
1013
01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:33.679
of nine to five seven, which was one of the trainers.
1014
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.840
They had a total electrical failure over Montana and they
1015
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:43.360
couldn't land at Malstrom or any or even frances He
1016
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:47.119
Warren because of weather. It's snowing to beat hell. So
1017
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.000
it was heading back to Beale and they had no
1018
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.119
electrical It was the only time in the history of
1019
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.199
the BlackBridge of you know, fifty eight thousand flight hours
1020
01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:58.360
for all types of Blackbirds, and it was the only
1021
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.599
time they had a total electric fail You're off of
1022
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:06.519
both engines, and so Davis Davis flying the airplane, the
1023
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.719
instructor pilots, going through all the emergency procedures. They had
1024
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:14.280
no radio. Uh, they did indicate that there was a
1025
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.479
way to indicate to Biel that they were in trouble
1026
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:21.399
and they were coming back and they had no communications.
1027
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:24.159
I don't know how they managed to do that, but
1028
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:29.880
they did. And as as they're coming in, uh, you know,
1029
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.520
Dave said, the instructor pilot was, he was going through
1030
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:38.840
the emergency procedures. He said, the too says that if
1031
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.680
you have total electrical failure, the engines will still suck
1032
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.560
the gas out of the field, out of the sump,
1033
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:51.039
which they did from Montana to about five miles north
1034
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:53.840
of bl Air Force Base. But when they dropped the
1035
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.279
landing gear. The nose went up about it about a
1036
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.920
twelve degree angle of a ten, and the stump emptied out.
1037
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:05.319
All of a sudden, you have a dual flame ount
1038
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:09.159
because of no no fuel, and you both punch out.
1039
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:14.239
And that was They bury the airframe on the base,
1040
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.159
but it was crashed about five miles north of the
1041
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:22.560
of the base perimeter. So I'm I'm visiting my dad
1042
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:27.720
in Tullahoma, Tennessee, and I know that Dave Thruhoff, who
1043
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:32.680
was who was a Blackbird pilot, lived in Lynchburg, Tennessee,
1044
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.800
the home of Jack Daniels. So I called him up.
1045
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.079
I said, Hey, Dave, I'm I'm just down the road
1046
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:41.760
from you. You up for a chat? Said, chair, come
1047
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.720
on down. So I went down to his place and
1048
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.720
we just I want to interview him about what happened
1049
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:53.199
when he had a bailout of a Blackbird. And then
1050
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:56.720
as we're going along, I said, do you believe in UFOs?
1051
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.760
He said, absolutely, positively, do exist. I said you want
1052
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.119
to expand expand upon that? And I thought he was
1053
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.640
going to say no, when he says, sure.
1054
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:06.199
All right.
1055
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.319
More on that conversation when we continue with the James
1056
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:12.479
Gouda our guest, US Air Force veteran locking skope Works
1057
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.399
and Area fifty one expert. Our guest on into the
1058
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.960
pair of normal, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
1059
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.159
I'm Jeremy Scott.
1060
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.000
Into the pair of normal, pair.
1061
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:56.079
Of somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy
1062
01:10:56.119 --> 01:11:00.159
Scott into the pair of normal. All right, I got
1063
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.239
to cut to the chase here just due to time.
1064
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:09.800
Your conversation with Dave talking pilot, Dave talking UFOs and
1065
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.600
something about bailing out of one of these fighter planes.
1066
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.640
Right, yeah, he Dave threw, if had eject out of
1067
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:23.920
an SR seventy one trainer, it's it's mock three point
1068
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.600
two capable, but it doesn't have any it's not a
1069
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.000
mission capable airplane. It doesn't have a it doesn't have
1070
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:34.720
camera base and whatever. But so I asked Dave, I said,
1071
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.199
if you believe in UFOs, and he said, absolutely, positively
1072
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.119
do exist. You want to expand upon that? And he
1073
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:45.079
said sure, And that just blew me away, So I said, well,
1074
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:50.000
go ahead. He said it was late, very very late
1075
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:54.960
seventy two, early seventy three. He's flying out a Cadina Okinawall.
1076
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:59.920
It's the ninth Strategic Reconnaissance Wing Detachment one or DEBT one,
1077
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:06.439
and he find a night mission and they had finished
1078
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.920
the mission. They're heading back to Kadina. They're at seventy
1079
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:14.600
eight thousand feet. They're at mock two point seven, which
1080
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:16.960
is a sort of a sweet spot. You're still going
1081
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.079
really fast, but you don't have the thermal stress on
1082
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:25.159
the airframe and the and the systems at mock two
1083
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:28.840
point seven. You go to mock three point two, the
1084
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:33.920
friction really heats up the airframe. So he's you know,
1085
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:39.600
they're cruising, just they're cruise control. The trottles are all
1086
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.760
the way back to minimum burner. The airplane likes to
1087
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:47.119
fly fast. Three quarter moon off the left hand side
1088
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:51.399
of the airplane, and Dave's notice he gets a glint
1089
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.800
off something reflective. It wasn't round, it wasn't it wasn't
1090
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.439
you know, it wasn't a ball, it wasn't a saucer,
1091
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.760
but it was something that had edges and reflective, and
1092
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.399
so he thought it maybe it was another blackbird. So
1093
01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:12.319
he gets on secure voice and he asked Gadena. He said,
1094
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:14.039
we have another bird up and he said, no, you
1095
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:15.840
were in the briefing, you're the owner went up there
1096
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:17.760
and he said, well, no, I'm not. I got company,
1097
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.640
and so I'm going to go take a look. So
1098
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:24.439
he advanced the throttles about a ten degree bank to
1099
01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:29.039
the right and he starts climbing, and when he was
1100
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:34.239
about but a thousand or two thousand feet below that
1101
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.920
whatever this object was, and still about a mile away,
1102
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:41.560
he still couldn't get out the shape the shape, and
1103
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.840
there's a billion stars up there. So he's trying to
1104
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:49.399
see if he can see where the stars are blocked out,
1105
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.680
but the instrument lights in the cockpit are causing a
1106
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:59.560
little little bright points on his visor, on his David
1107
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.720
Clark light suit, which is you know, certified to one
1108
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:07.760
hundred and twenty thousand feet. He didn't want to open
1109
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:12.279
up his visor because Murphy's loss says, you do something
1110
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:14.920
like that, you're going to hit something in the windscreen
1111
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.439
and all you're gonna have decompression and you're dead. So
1112
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.680
he didn't do that. But all of a sudden, this
1113
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:24.600
thing took off and left him in the dusk. He
1114
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.880
said it was about a thirty degree angle of attack,
1115
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.520
and he he lost it going you know, you figured
1116
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.840
between one hundred and eighty and two hundred thousand feet.
1117
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:41.760
Fast forward to nineteen seventy nineteen seventy five, I think
1118
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:44.800
it was he retires from the Air Force. He's a
1119
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.520
lieutenant colonel, but he has a Q clearance, and he was,
1120
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.840
you know, he wanted to be able to use his clearance,
1121
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.640
so you know, he put his name in for some
1122
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:56.359
you know, for some positions, and he got the job
1123
01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:00.520
his facility manager at Area fifty one. I mean, would
1124
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:02.760
that be a hell of a job or what. And
1125
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:05.800
he was also responsible for all the maintenance of all
1126
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:09.720
the non program aircraft, the Chase birds. And he also
1127
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.279
flew a lot of chase a photo chase on half
1128
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.840
blue photo chase on f one seventeen.
1129
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.840
And okay, so did he see something there at Area
1130
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:19.479
fifty one?
1131
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.640
Well, I asked him that. He said, I was responsible
1132
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:28.880
for every single structure at Area fifty one, from a
1133
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:34.239
paint locker to the big hangar eighteen. And he said,
1134
01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:40.159
there are no underground facilities at Area fifty one, says,
1135
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:43.039
but we have on the other side of the Pappoost Range.
1136
01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:47.520
We have the ability to drill a thirty six foot
1137
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:52.520
diameter hole through solid granite at about a foot an hour.
1138
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.800
And that's that's how they made Yucker Mountain, and that's
1139
01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:02.159
that's how they also made the deep holes for detonating
1140
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.600
underground nuclear tests before that was canceled. So the you know,
1141
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:08.920
so he said that technology is here and I said, well,
1142
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.000
said said, but he said that the UFOs are real.
1143
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:16.760
I said, have you ever heard of S four? He said,
1144
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:23.279
I recall seeing stuff with a destination of S four
1145
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:26.119
and the address, you know, in at area fifty one.
1146
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:30.279
They were being offloaded off of C five or C
1147
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:34.840
one thirty and then they were being trucks somewhere else.
1148
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.279
But the uh we had the technology to build an
1149
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.479
underground facility there and they and according to Bob Luzar,
1150
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.840
who I've known since before, he went to work out
1151
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:48.880
in the desert.
1152
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.960
And uh hey, something missing from there?
1153
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:53.520
Is there?
1154
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:57.000
Maybe something gone from this facility or another facility. Does
1155
01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:59.520
that have something to do with why the drones are
1156
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:00.880
they trying to sniff something out?
1157
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:05.680
Oh and a totally different subject is the drones that
1158
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.800
are flying all over the East coast. What I believe
1159
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:15.239
happened and I know it's they have that capability right
1160
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:21.960
around I think just before Christmas, a very large quantity
1161
01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:29.840
of medical grade radioactive isotopes went missing. They were either lost, stolen,
1162
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.199
or misplaced, I mean, and they could someone can make
1163
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:37.720
a huge dirty bomb out of it. You know, there
1164
01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:40.760
wasn't enough in there to make There wasn't any fissional material,
1165
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.560
but they have a lot of highly radioactive stuff. So
1166
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.880
we've had since nineteen seventy five, we've had the ability
1167
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:54.960
on airborne platforms and ground based platforms to look over
1168
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:59.560
a long distance at a ship or a vehicle if
1169
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:01.720
you're doing it on the ground or even from the air,
1170
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.640
to determine if there's any fissional material on that ship
1171
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.199
or on that vehicle or whatever. And the Russians had
1172
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:15.720
had that capability before we did, but by nineteen seventy
1173
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:22.199
five we had systems installed in EP three areas two,
1174
01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.399
and that was the P three oryan with the radiome
1175
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:28.319
on the underneath the bottom and the canoe on top.
1176
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:30.960
And there's a canoe on the bottom of the spyplane
1177
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:36.840
like the one that was forced down in China here
1178
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:40.520
back ten years ago or maybe even longer than that. Sure,
1179
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:45.399
but we've had that capability and it's gone into the
1180
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.359
commercial and in the private industry as far as being
1181
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:52.840
able to sense radioactive material And a good example is
1182
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:58.600
this goes back what twenty five thirty years ago. A
1183
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:03.000
buddy of mine who uh lived in southern New Jersey.
1184
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:08.039
He had problems with his prostate. So his doctors up
1185
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:10.840
in New York City they put in some they call
1186
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:16.319
it gammut gammat tides. They're radioactive seeds put in uh
1187
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:23.119
a man's uh uh proustate area to stop the cancer,
1188
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.079
to kill the cancer. And he's driving down that the
1189
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:31.560
Jersey Turnpike. All of a sudden, he is surrounded by
1190
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:35.600
swat and everybody has their guns out. I mean there
1191
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:38.479
had to be, he said there was. He couldn't count
1192
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:40.920
the number of vehicles that were involved. There was just
1193
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:44.439
too many. And he's pretty shook up. And you know,
1194
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.880
if they had their they had their weapons drawn.
1195
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:48.880
And uh.
1196
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.720
It turns out that uh A sensor on the on
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the New Jersey Turnpike are multiple centers on the New
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New Jersey Turnpike identified that they're radioactive materials being transported
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down the turnpike.
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Okay, can they have anything to do with the coming inauguration?
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Well, yeah, I have to believe so I have to
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believe so that if you can create a dirty bomb
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during during the inauguration, you could kill a lot of
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people and possibly even you know, half of elected officials
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in Congress.
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James, are some of these drones perhaps our own aircraft?
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Well, they're all our own aircraft, They're all our own
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I have a buddy of mine that has been in
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the black community forever, black ops. Yeah, and he doesn't
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work on him, but he supports them.
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What does he says?
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He said, of the UFOs that are seen by the
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general public, are seeing manned American built craft.
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Amazing.
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That's all the time we have, James. It was all
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too short, but we hope to do it again soon.
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And check out all of his books up on Amazon
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and wherever books are sold.
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As they say, James, Yes, yeah, And if you like
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the Blackbird, the B two, the skunk Works Summarines their stealth, yeah,
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you can go to Amazon.
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There you got all right? Everyone, good night, God bless