Full Transcript for Shane Petty

Kyle Mega Sorority house. We saw 72 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:28.199 a display that had her book in it and I 73 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.519 and I messaged her immediately and I was like, Hey, Kathy, 74 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:32.800 look what I just came across. This is really cool. 75 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.279 And so she's probably going to get in touch with 76 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:37.920 him and see, you know, we messaged back and forth, 77 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:39.480 and I think she's going to get in touch with 78 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:40.839 him and see if maybe she can do a book 79 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.920 signing there at the museum, which is pretty amazing but anyway, 80 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.120 very cool. I recommended the museum. It was a lot 81 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.439 of fun and I actually read a lot of the 82 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.240 different things. It was. It was it was worth it 83 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.639 was worth it was worth taking a look at it. Furthermore, 84 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.199 if you're law enforcement, they'll give you a discount too, 85 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.680 so keep that in mind. So nevertheless, this is episode 86 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.879 number seventy five. We're going to bring Shane Petty on 87 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:05.920 the show. And Shane is a legend in the Great 88 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.600 State of Tennessee when it comes to the state rangers. 89 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.839 Shane is currently the operations chief for Mory County Office 90 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:17.120 of Emergency Management, where he oversees day to day operations 91 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.480 for the office, as well as the search and rescue 92 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.720 program and the department's canine program. From nineteen eighty nine 93 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.439 to nineteen ninety three, he was a park ranger for 94 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:31.319 Henry Horton State Park and later became the assistant chief, 95 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.720 and in nineteen ninety seven he was named chief Ranger 96 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.199 for all fifty six state parks, overseeing two hundred and 97 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.319 fifty state park rangers and all emergency operation teams, which 98 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:47.279 included wildlife, fire rescue, search and rescue, horse mounted and 99 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.600 their canine search and rescue team until his retirement in 100 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.600 twenty twenty three. And really, when I look at that, 101 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.319 and I'm looking at the ears man, he became the 102 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.839 chief pretty darn quick. He wasn't with him that long, 103 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.199 so he turned a lot of heads and he was 104 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:04.079 doing a great job. Chief Pitty has also been involved 105 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.279 in or ran over two thousand search and rescue missions

106 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.639 for lost and injured people and has captured over two 107 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:17.639 hundred and eighty missing persons with his bloodhounds. He has 108 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.519 authored two books on search and rescue, one of which 109 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.319 is Lost in Hound and the other one is So 110 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:27.759 God Made Rangers. Definitely you should check those out. And 111 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.720 he belongs on several search and rescue boards in Tennessee 112 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.600 and is a co founder of TSAR, which is the 113 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:38.600 Tracking and Search and Rescue in conjunction with the Tennessee 114 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.680 Law Enforcement Academy, where he has been an adject instructor 115 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.519 for twenty nine years. And he's a speaker. He speaks 116 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:47.279 all over the place. So if you're listening to this 117 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.600 and you're like, hey, we need an interesting speaker, you 118 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.360 might have your guy right here, both he and I 119 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.680 and you could just have us both come to your conference. 120 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.000 Let's bring on both. Danny Couples is joining us too, 121 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.480 because Danny's a buddy. You his Thanks for being here, Danny, 122 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.600 I appreciate you. Co hosting again and you know, I 123 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.600 pay you big money to be here and I appreciate it. 124 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.360 And let's bring on Shane. Uh, thank you for being here. Shane. 125 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.920 Great to meet you in person, and thanks for being here. Man, 126 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:17.639 it's a real honor. 127 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.959 Oh, no, honor is all mine. 128 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:24.399 Appreciate you having us and come see this in Tennessee again. 129 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.120 Loved it and I'm gonna a matter of fact, my 130 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.120 wife and I as we were driving back, I was like, 131 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.519 you know, I could actually live in this state. Honestly, 132 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.160 it's just so pretty and the people are the people 133 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.879 are friendly to another level. Oklahoma, they're friendly, but there's 134 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.040 a something special in your state. So but anyway, so 135 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.800 tell us how how you ended up getting by the way, 136 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.000 and I got to say this or I'm gonna get 137 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:47.279 in trouble. 138 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:47.600 Danny. 139 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.519 My wife wants me to tell you hello, and tell 140 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:55.160 Dorry hello as well. I will, all right. So, but anyway, 141 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.399 we had a blast with you

guys. Really, Uh, let's 142 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:00.399 talk about how did you even get into interested in 143 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.240 this career path to begin with to become a ranger. 144 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.560 I'm probably Jason, I'm probably one of the most blessed 145 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.920 individuals ever I met a horseman and ranger actually at 146 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.240 Henry Horton. When I was about twelve years old and 147 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.079 we're on a family vacation. Henry Horton has a hotel 148 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.240 and so we were there on a family vacation. I 149 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.279 met that horseman and ranger. Told my mom, I know 150 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:27.839 what I'll do for the rest of my life on 151 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.519 the horseman and ranger at Henry Horton. I was hired 152 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.000 in nineteen eighty nine as a ranger at Henry Horton. 153 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.840 That's all I did all through high school. I worked 154 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.840 for city parks, starting picking up trash, anything I could 155 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:41.480 do in a park. 156 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.919 I interned during the summer in college. 157 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.440 For Tennessee State Parks, and when I graduated, when it 158 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.279 came my number, you know. 159 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.639 We had fifty plus state parks. I go anywhere to 160 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:54.159 get a job. 161 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.120 It happened to be close to home in Henry Horton, 162 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.759 and not more than a year. 163 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.120 After that, I became a horseman in anger at Henry Horton. 164 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:10.039 So fulfill my childhood dreams and goals pretty quick. Arranger 165 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:14.279 there for a little bit, and then my boss there 166 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.080 he decided he would leave and go be the chief 167 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.440 ranger for the state, and he followed me or. 168 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.960 Brought me with him, not because I was that smart. 169 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.080 It was just I could work harder than anybody, and 170 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.799 he just needed somebody that could hustle. And so right 171 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.639 when we were about to get our program off the ground, 172 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.879 unfortunately he contracted cancer and had a tough battle and 173 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.679 lost it. And then and just like you said in 174 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.159 the intro, I was too young to be I was 175 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.480 probably too young to be an assistant chief, much less 176 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.519 a chief to. 177 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.240 Command that big of an area. 178 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.759 But I took it on and worked as hard as 179 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.559 I could and was able to do it for twenty 180 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.840 five years. So it's not really easy to hold on 181 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.679 a position at that level for twenty five years. But 182 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.960 I was very, very blessed. 183 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.879 Yeah, you must have had good people working for you, 184 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.080 for sure. Yes, And I know that you were more 185 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.639 of an operations type of achiefs, which means that at 186 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.039 least I've heard you say that where you basically were 187 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:18.840 out there, you were getting dirty right along with you 188 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.519 with your people and get right alongside of them. 189 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:22.080 Yeah. 190 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.879 So just just the way I'm built, you know, still 191 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.000 this day, you know, I'm operations manager here Murray County 192 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.159 and just because you know, I'm still out running in 193 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.639 the woods with Canaine to still this day. 194 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.519 Hey, let me ask you something. You'd mentioned something about 195 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.639 this program when you were in high school and growing up. 196 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.799 Is that to me it sounds almost like the Explorer program? 197 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:43.360 Is that? 198 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.960 Does that still exist? And is that something like if 199 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.440 you're a if somebody has kids that's watching this and 200 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.480 they're they're interested in a program like that? Is that 201 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.120 unique to Tennessee or is that a program that kind 202 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.000 of goes on in other states as well? 203 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.840 Well, it goes on in other states, So we have 204 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.919 it's not a proved but it's probably about where. 205 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.399 We hire about eighty five. 206 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:08.240 Percent of our rangers. So I did it as an internship, 207 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.639 so I got credit in college and got paid. So 208 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.399 and it's called a seasonal interpretive ranger. So you would 209 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:20.440 lead highs, you know, hay rides, recreational opportunities depend on 210 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.639 what park you were and the amenities there, and so 211 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.080 it was kind of a training ground that you'd get 212 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.600 to know about the park in the park. 213 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.279 Rangers, you know, do I want to do this for 214 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:31.480 a living? You know? 215 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:33.639 Knowing the hours that they work and the rescues or 216 00:11:33.679 -->

00:11:36.039 you know, whatever it may be. And in turn, the 217 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.279 rangers got to you know, see you, and so it 218 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.559 was a good training ground that they would you know, 219 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.840 they could pick you out if you know, they thought, hey, 220 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.120 this person will have a good ranger. And and most 221 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.240 state agencies have across the country had those type book programs. 222 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.600 Yeah, and I looked it up on your state website. 223 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:55.480 And the pay is not I mean when when you 224 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.360 become a ranger, it's not like it's not super low. 225 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.720 I mean you could actually make a living at it. 226 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.679 It's a lot better than you know, as all of us. 227 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.279 But you know, when I started, you know, you didn't 228 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.000 make much money, but you didn't need to. They give 229 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.879 us a house and car and a horse man. What 230 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:11.840 else did I need? 231 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.240 And you're living in paradise, You're living in where everybody 232 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.320 wants to go for the weekend and stuff. 233 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.600 Yeah, I lived on fifteen hundred acres and I didn't 234 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:21.679 have to pay the property tax. 235 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:23.279 I'm mow the grass. So it was great. 236 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.480 Yeah, except for you had to work every holiday and 237 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.639 you're probably your most prime time to get up and 238 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.600 do stuff was late in the evening and at night when. 239 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:38.159 Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, you know and you work every weekend, 240 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.360 so you know, the grass is not always a greener. 241 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.879 Yeah, So as you're working there real quick and Danny, 242 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.440 feel free to jump in anytime, just you know, you know, 243 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.440 wink at me as you're working there and you're doing 244 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.879 your thing. You know, I'm sure that, I'm sure that 245 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.360 life as a ranger was pretty pretty slow during the week. 246 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:02.159 But then when COVID hit, you know, people went nuts 247 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:04.480 and everybody bought a freaking travel trailer to where you 248 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.120 can't even get a spot in most of these places. 249 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.639 It was crazy. Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was crazy. 250 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.840 I mean any spot that I mean, it didn't have 251 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:15.840 to be a park, it could be just a natural area. 252 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.279 And my definition of a natural area for a quick 253 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:19.200 is just, you. 254 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.480 Know, it's a small area usually that didn't have rangers, 255 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:24.360 so just a highking trail on the side of the road. 256 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:26.960 It might have a parking lot that would hold fifteen 257 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.679 cars and there would be one hundred cars out there. 258 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.600 So we were yeah, we really had our hands fold 259 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:34.279 during COVID. 260 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.840 Hey, yeah, Jason, it's a there's a TV show out now. 261 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:39.759 It's called Tracker. 262 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.559 Have you seen it now? 263 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.159 It's you need to watch it. It's it's probably the one 264 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:50.440 of the number one show on I don't know what ABC, maybe, 265 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.799 but uh, this is the second season. My point is 266 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:56.279 every time I see that show, I think of shame. 267 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:58.080 Have you seen it? 268 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:58.360 Oh? 269 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.639 Yeah? 270 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:04.639 And he's always been my hero since I've heard him 271 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:09.440 talk my whole career. And one of the one of 272 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.519 the things that I remember, and I told him about 273 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.519 the other day, he said, how do you remember that? 274 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.759 Because it stuck with me. It was about a person 275 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.039 who was lost in the mountains, I believe, and it 276 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:25.240 was really frigid weather and it has something to do 277 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.039 with fleece. And I'll let Shane tell that story for 278 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:28.840 you if you don't mind. 279 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:29.320 Sure. 280 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:29.639 Sure. 281 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.279 It was a young lady again the Smokies, and she 282 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.480 became lost. The days she got lost in the Smokies, 283 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.600 it was fourteen degrees at night, the windshield got down 284 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:46.120 to eleven below and she actually got injured and fill 285 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.360 in the creek that first night, and there is no 286 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.679 way of reason that she should have been able to survive. 287 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:56.840 And she was lost for two days, didn't find her 288 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:02.399 for three days, and she basically what saved her life 289 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.679 was she had a fleece jacket on and she kind 290 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.159 of took her pulled her arms in. 291 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.320 It, zipped it up, pulled it over her head, and 292 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.080

just kind of huddled in it like a tent. 293 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.480 And that fleece, even being wet, had the insulation capacity 294 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:17.840 to save her life. 295 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:19.039 Wow. 296 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:24.120 And I was able to interview her also twenty five 297 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.519 plus years later to find out about her and you know, 298 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.960 if she had lost any any of her extremities, and 299 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:32.399 they were able to do some therapy and keep all 300 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:32.840 of her. 301 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:33.480 Toes and feet. 302 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:38.759 But it moved me so much that when I came 303 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.279 back be in charge of the rangers, automatically their winter 304 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:46.159 jacket became polar fleece. I mean, it moved me so 305 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.960 much that it had that life saving capability. 306 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.759 Yeah, you guys are required to have bachelor's degrees to 307 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.559 be a ranger. And that's am I right? Yes, yes, yeah, 308 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.639 And so so I'm mean that's that's saying something right there, 309 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.519 because are my my police department, actually the Tulsa Police Department. 310 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.759 I think we're the last one standing of municipal departments 311 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.879 that that's our size to require a bachelor's degree and 312 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:16.600 and uh my my point is is that uh, you 313 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:21.159 know you you you have to have a tough time 314 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.399 getting people wanting to do that job at this point. 315 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.519 I know that I know that we do, and especially uh, 316 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.559 especially with the schedule and stuff. Now, I'm sure you 317 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:30.600 get nature lovers man that just want They just love 318 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.840 the outdoors, they love fishing, they love all of it. 319 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.480 You can still get a house that that's the ranger house, right, 320 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.320 but they just pay a lot, They pay a lot 321 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:39.039 less for it. 322 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:39.559 Yeah. 323 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.799 So you guys, what I'm getting at is that you 324 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:44.879 guys are like a you're you're a police department. You 325 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:49.000 guys are you guys are commissioned police officers through POPE, 326 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:53.919 through POST which is the certification uh entity, and so 327 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.600 are you guys? Respond. Let's just I have no doubt 328 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.120 that they dump bodies with regularity in murder victims and 329 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.600 stuff in state parks. You know,

I'm not trying to 330 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.279 advertise that, but that's that's the reality of the world. 331 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.240 Is that your case or how does that all work? 332 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:09.720 I mean, are you guys working it from the. 333 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.480 It's a little bit joint jurisdiction, you know, it's kind 334 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.359 of odd. You know, I hate to think about that. 335 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.880 You know, when I do do a lot of talks, 336 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:21.920 and I try to tell people, don't don't wash us out. 337 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.200 But my masters, my thesis were bodies that were dunked 338 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.119 in natural areas in state parks. 339 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.920 And uh, it's kind of. 340 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.799 Sad, but you know that that's that's kind of normal 341 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.720 all across the country that people will find natural areas 342 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:40.839 type of that that are in littal areas. But we don't, 343 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.920 We certainly don't have the investigative capacity and background and training. 344 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:48.480 So we're going to usually lean on our local sheriff 345 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.799 department or here in Tennessee Tennessee Gureau of Investigation, so 346 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.640 we would be heavily involved, but we're going to, you know, 347 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.960 use people like you that you know, that's what you 348 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.680 do every day, certainly not what we do. So we're 349 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:05.640 going to lean on most local jurisdictions to assist us 350 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.400 in those areas. 351 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.720 No, I never did fulfill my promise to you years ago. 352 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.200 I was going to set up a training for some 353 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.960 of your staff on how to respond to bodies that's 354 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.279 found in a wilderness as as a death investigators side. 355 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.200 I never did get that together for so so I 356 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:28.599 apologize for that one. 357 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.880 We'll still maybe pull that together for him. Still I 358 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.359 still work with those folks pretty much. You know, I'll 359 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.960 always be a ranger, so I still talk to him. 360 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.079 We'll get her done, all right. It sounds good. 361 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.640 Yeah, that would be cool. And then the other thing 362 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.160 that struck me about your state is that it takes 363 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.079 or nine hours to drive from one tip of your 364 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.160 state to the other. I had no idea. I know, 365 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.599 I know it's a long state, but nine hours. And 366 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.920 I think I heard you say something that you've driven 367 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:04.039 like a million and a half mile over a million 368 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.319 and a half miles in your car, Is that right? 369 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.160 Yeah, it may be a little bit more than that. 370 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.079 I kind of added up all the vehicles that I 371 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.039 turned in over the years, and I think it was 372 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:16.039 around about two million something. 373 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.319 Like really, so, you know, be odd. 374 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.759 I'd be at a store somewhere and somebody'd see me 375 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.319 in uniform saying, now, what part do you work? And 376 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.680 I'm like, it depends on where I woke up, you know, 377 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:27.400 it's usually where the emergency was. 378 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.519 But that was the excitement about the job. 379 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.480 I got to see places in Tennessee, you know that 380 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:36.839 most people just don't get to see. 381 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.400 Yeah, I bet, And that I was hearing something about 382 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:43.680 James Rolray and that's the guy that trained you, right, 383 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.440 that that actually led the search to try to find 384 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.359 him from Brushy Mountain. Brushy Brushy Mountain. 385 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.079 Well, James Array, he was the killer of Martin Luther 386 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.400 King and he's actually. 387 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:58.160 Escaped from Brushy Mountain. 388 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.119 And one of the gentlemen that took a bloodhound was 389 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:05.440 a former FBI agent, Bob Swade was my mentor. 390 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:07.880 Bob got me. 391 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:09.880 My first blood in He got me in those first 392 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:13.079 searches of the two kids and the Smokies and then 393 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:14.359 got me my first bloodhound. 394 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.640 So he got me started in that. So my mentor 395 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:20.599 was one of the individuals that help track down James. 396 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.160 All right from in Brushing Mountain, one of some of 397 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:23.599 the cops. 398 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:23.720 You know. 399 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.440 I was out there speaking at the Tennessee Crisis Negotiator Association. 400 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:31.039 Shout out to them, great conference. It was their second annual. 401 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.839 Great people. But I was talking to some people and 402 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.799 they said that Brushy Mountain that they basically and correct 403 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:39.359 me if I'm wrong, and maybe they're maybe they're just 404 00:20:39.400 -->

00:20:41.680 telling me this, but they said, oh man, that place 405 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:46.200 is around that prison is infested with rattlesnakes. That they 406 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:52.039 basically imported them in there to to discourage people from 407 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.079 from taking off out of that prison. Is that true. 408 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.039 I don't think I would buy that they imported them 409 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.680 in there. You know, that's kind of a myth in Tennessee. 410 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:04.480 But uh, it's it's a very rugged area. 411 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.119 Actually, we have a park, Frozenhead State Park that uh 412 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.720 what's up to the park. So lots of times when 413 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.599 the prisoners would escape from there, you know, the rangers 414 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:16.200 have to be on you know, a pretty high. 415 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.640 Lookout because they very well could end up in the 416 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:20.839 park pretty pretty quick. 417 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.680 Yeah, So tell me about a day in the life. 418 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:25.839 What was the day in your life? Because I mean, 419 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.279 what did you do? Did you just pick a pick 420 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.559 a state park that you're going to go? You're gonna 421 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.440 all right today, I haven't been out here to this 422 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.759 one park. I'm gonna I'm gonna just take a trip. 423 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:40.759 Well, now, you know, usually it it depended on the emergency. 424 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.720 Of course, part of my job I was in training, 425 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.519 so it would be training rangers, but I did all 426 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.960 emergency response, so it would depend you know, and we 427 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:51.240 had everything. 428 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:51.559 You can imagine. 429 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.200 People get in the wilderness area and just accidents happen, 430 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:56.599 so it could be a drowning. 431 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:57.559 It could be a wildfire. 432 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.200 It could be a missing kid, missing person, anything of 433 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.759 that scenario. It could be just a natural disaster, an 434 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.279 ice storm, tornado, hit anything to that capacity. 435 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:10.839 You know. 436 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.920 Here just a year or so ago, we had the 437 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.319 Hurricane Helen come through and hit right on the East 438 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:23.160 Tennessee North Carolina border and it wiped out two or 439 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:25.880 three state parks. One it just took it off the map. 440 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.440 It took every structure off of it. Davy Crockett birthplace. 441 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.000 They had to rebuild it from scratch. And so that 442 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.119 would be what we would have done, is we would 443 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.920 responded first with search and rescue and recovery and then 444 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:41.799 having to. 445 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.319 Help rebuild the community in the park itself. 446 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.440 Yeah, wow, it really was. 447 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.680 It was whatever park that I, you know, ended up in. 448 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:52.680 Of course, I was over a horse man of patrol. 449 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.400 So we would do a lot of big events, you know, 450 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.400 whether it was Fourth of July, you know, any big 451 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:03.200 event may be or governor inauguration, especial events that I 452 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.000 spent a lot of a lot of miles with pulling 453 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:06.680 the horse trading. 454 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.319 Yeah, do you get to know the governor pretty well? 455 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:10.799 Is that one of those deals that you're. 456 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:12.839 Yeah, yeah, you get to meet them. Yeah, I've worked 457 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:17.279 in my tenure. I think I worked nine different governor inaugurations, 458 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:18.319 and so. 459 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.319 You get to meet them in you know, special details. 460 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:25.319 So I've got to you know, get backstage, so to speak, 461 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.759 and meet most of them, get your picture taken with them. 462 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.839 So that's that was always a great honor. 463 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:35.559 Probably a president here and there that just maybe. 464 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:40.400 Yeah, well I didn't get to. I tried pulled some 465 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.359 strings to go. 466 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:44.359 When I was at the FBI Academy and I wanted 467 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:46.799 to ride a horse on the grounds of the White House. 468 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.880 I had done some training for the US Park Police, 469 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.240 and they said, you come, We'll let you ride all 470 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.279 over the White House. And when I came there, it 471 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.480 was two weeks after nine to eleven, and yeah, they said, 472 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:01.440 Shange is not going to happen. But they pulled some 473 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:04.759 strings and they let me get on the grounds. And 474 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.279 I'd always heard there, you know, there were SWAT guys 475 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:09.480 in black uniforms on top of the White House. And 476 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:11.440 when I walked out there and got on that horse, 477 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.799 those guys to notice of me, so they knew I. 478 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.119 Was not supposed to be there, and I was not 479 00:24:17.160 -->

00:24:21.759 supposed to be on that horse, because I was. Yes, 480 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.519 I thought I had lived my last day that day. 481 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.200 But oh my gosh, yes, because I asked. 482 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.160 The park place, I said, what are those guys doing? 483 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.000 He said, they're pointing guns at you right now because 484 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:34.799 you're not in a park uniform. 485 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:36.519 Oh my goodness. 486 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.000 I got on the house and got off before they 487 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.119 even took a picture. I said, I don't need a picture. 488 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.960 I experienced it. I want my life. 489 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.480 Yeah, right, I got that. That's a story in and 490 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:49.039 of itself. 491 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.839 Man, it was. It was cool. 492 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:54.640 Yeah, all right. So I had asked you off there, 493 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.960 what's what's a you know, what's a case or two 494 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:02.559 that to you? You know, your dog had actually found 495 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.640 what two hundred and fifty something people missing persons? 496 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.400 Well, you know, it's kind of the first two searches 497 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.319 I went on. I said, it was in the Smoky 498 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.960 Mountains for our couple of lost kids. And coming off 499 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.279 of those two searches, what got me the first individual 500 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.400 young boy. 501 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:25.960 Unfortunately, he fell off about one hundred foot cliff and 502 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.599 the Smokies and to his death. 503 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.720 And then about eight months later we were back up 504 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.880 in the Smoky's looking for a nine year old that 505 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.640 was lost in the Cleveland Stone area and we found 506 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.319 him alive after five days. 507 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.839 And both of those cases it moved. 508 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.559 Me, not the search, but to have to look at 509 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.240 the parents when you come out of the woods every 510 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.279 day and you look at a mom's face that they're 511 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.559 just you know, they're hanging on anything that you may 512 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.240 have found a footprint, a thread of their clothing, and 513 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:56.319 when you hadn't. 514 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.680 I mean, it really pushes you to do something more. 515 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.440 And so that pushed me to do canine, and so 516 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.720 I started a canine program with state parks. And what 517 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.160 got me into a. 518 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.440 Very interesting career is I. 519 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.519 Would be asked by local law enforcement agencies to come 520 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.400 a system with missing. 521 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.880 Persons and then it would be criminals. 522 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.640 So most of my cases are almost about ninety five 523 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:28.400 percent criminal. 524 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:30.359 That's not the way I designed it. 525 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.759 But most agencies can't don't really need a bloodhound. 526 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:35.880 They don't maybe need. 527 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.480 Them once or twice a year, and so it's not 528 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.319 really feasible for them to have them. And at that time, 529 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.519 I was kind of the only bloodhound around in Middle Tennessee, 530 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.000 and people knew who I was, and I got a 531 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.119 lot of calls and would make a lot of fines, 532 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.440 and every time you make a fine, your name would 533 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.680 get out there. But that only meant it gets you 534 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.240 called out in the middle of the night. You know, 535 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.400 twice as much or four times as much. 536 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.000 So I've done. 537 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.079 They had a lot of big lobbraries and a lot 538 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.880 of home sides with my canines. 539 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.440 Yeah, and by the way, just to the listeners, the 540 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:12.079 most dangerous job of any police department or for a 541 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.119 cop is canine because they're they're chasing after the worst 542 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.079 of the worst. And did you ever have any close 543 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:20.240 calls with respect to that? 544 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:22.759 About three days. 545 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.759 Ago, well now Friday night, as a matter of fact, 546 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.759 I got called to a neighboring county for an aug 547 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.720 robery suspect. 548 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.160 And we got out there and suspect had been was 549 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.799 for about four hours. They didn't have a canine available 550 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.839 and took him a little while before they got me. 551 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.319 And it was still about an hour and a half 552 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.759 for me to drive there, and I was very proud 553 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.359 of my canine. 554 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:45.720 I was there about twenty minutes the. 555 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.319 Dog had we had him, but unfortunately, you know, it 556 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.880 was dark and we're not gonna use We're not gonna 557 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.240 use flashlights if we can, because that puts you as 558 00:27:56.240 -->

00:28:00.640 a target and I'm just trying to read the the 559 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.440 best I can, and I knew we were getting close, 560 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.720 and so I stopped real quick and put my lights up, 561 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:09.759 and the guy was about twelve feet in front of 562 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:10.200 me with us. 563 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.480 Oh my gosh, it was you know, as you said, 564 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.000 it is. 565 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.599 It's a pretty dangerous job. But the locals did a 566 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:19.400 great job. 567 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.000 Of getting a good perimeter keeping the individual there and 568 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.960 we had a good negotiating with us when we were 569 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.519 able to talk him down and everybody was safe and 570 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.319 we got him some help and all was good. 571 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.599 I've always heard just been a ranger is one of 572 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.720 the most dangerous jobs as well. You're out in the 573 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.519 woods by yourself and you come up with a maybe 574 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.799 a hunter or something and it's just you and him. 575 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.440 Yeah, rangers and widlife officers, you know, wildlife officers usually 576 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.640 out there by themselves, and everybody there going after is 577 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.400 you know, during hunting season's got a gun, so it 578 00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:55.880 is very dangerous for them. 579 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:01.759 So yeah, not to mention bears, you know what, sane. 580 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.240 I had no idea that that's a bear that I 581 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.759 took a picture of next to the road. And that 582 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.359 was up there about a mile outside of Gatlinburg, and 583 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.359 that Ogles cabin. You probably have seen it. And I'll 584 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.559 tell you what, man, there was bears running in and 585 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.480 out of the town. Not running, man, they were just 586 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.480 chilling and walking into town and walking right by the 587 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.559 bar and wherever. I was like, holy cow, man, these 588 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:27.920 things are ever. As a matter of fact, on that 589 00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.400 I took a video of that bear right there, and 590 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.119 then I happened to I happened to watch that video 591 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.480 a little bit more and there's two more bears up 592 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.759 on the top of the hill that I never even noticed. 593 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.400 And so I mean, that's got to be something that 594 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.519 you run across those things all the time. 595 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.519 It's kind of interesting. I just shared

a post on 596 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.200 my Facebook side just about an hour ago. I think 597 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.720 it was the Tennessee Law Enforcement Training Officer that we're 598 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:56.160 having a conference right now in Gatlinburg and tw a 599 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.920 officer a friend of mine, was up there and somebody 600 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.000 took a picture in the bear. Proud opened his tailgate 601 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.440 to get to get some bubblegum I thing out of 602 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.559 the back of the truck. It could smell, so you know, 603 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.599 it had a it had a bear actually attacking the 604 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.519 wildlife officer checking maybe it was checking his license. 605 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.839 I don't know. Smoky the bears yes is yeah. 606 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.240 Well I'll tell you what, man. When I went when 607 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.079 I went into the hotel there in Gatlinburg, they just said, hey, 608 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.799 make sure that your windows are up and make sure 609 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:25.720 that there's no food in the car. And you know, 610 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.039 I'm waiting. I'm I'm thinking, what you have like a 611 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.640 burglary from vehicle problem here, or you have like a 612 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.079 significant homeless population they're gonna rip my window open and 613 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.039 and they're like and I'm like and I'm just kind 614 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.519 of I'm like, what what, what's the deal? 615 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:37.720 You know? 616 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.480 And they're like, oh, because of the bear. And I'm like, 617 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.079 what the what? I didn't didn't even dawn on me. 618 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:43.839 And they said the bear. They said, oh, yeah, they 619 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.119 come into the lobby sometimes and I'm like, are you 620 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:46.759 kidding me? 621 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:47.319 Sure? 622 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.559 And I couldn't believe it, man, I And there was 623 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.119 probably gosh, there was four or five sidings there in town. 624 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.559 Plus they said, now's the time that they're really uh, 625 00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.799 they're more dangerous now because they're they're scavenging for food 626 00:30:58.839 --> 00:30:59.720 before they hibernate. 627 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.880 I guess, yeah, welcome to Tennessee. 628 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.039 They're getting closer to where you know, we live in 629 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.039 Middle Tennessee and you know how far that is, Jason. 630 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.440 You had to drive. 631 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.799 Yeah, therefore, but they're migrating in this area. 632 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.599 That rite Shane. I know. 633 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:20.160 I've read a story on the news actually a few 634 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.039 months ago where a bear was hit by a car here. 635 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.440 Yeah, Overn Ruther for county. Yeah, just one county over. Yeah, yeah, 636 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.200 sure was. So we've got they're heading this way. 637 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.960 So what's the deal with them? Are they pretty much? 638 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.400 I mean, if you know what to do, I guess. 639 00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.960 I mean, have you ever I'm sure you've. I'm sure 640 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.720 you've ran across people that have been killed by him. 641 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.200 That's just one of. 642 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.880 My mentors worked a Richard Taylor. 643 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.599 He taught me how to work a bloodhound uh and 644 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.440 and do search and rescue. And he did work one 645 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.599 bear attack of a young girl, uh and it was 646 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.359 a fatality. 647 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.480 And you know, most of the time you're not going 648 00:31:58.519 --> 00:31:59.559 to run into an issue. 649 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.759 But girl, you know, got in between the mom and 650 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.839 the cub and the animal was just doing naturally what 651 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.279 their parent would do, and she was just at the 652 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.759 wrong place at the wrong time. 653 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.640 But most of the time they're going to take off running. 654 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.880 But you know, if you get up in Gattenburg, they 655 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.720 get pretty used to people because they know. And that's 656 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.880 why they tell you don't feed animals, you know, because 657 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.359 they're going to. 658 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.799 Get too used to you and get into depended on you. 659 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.359 Yeah. Yeah, interesting. All right, So you did a couple 660 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.720 of other things that I think are really fun and neat, 661 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:32.039 and one of which is you kind of you kind 662 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.119 of got together. You got together a lot of these 663 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.960 artifacts and stuff, and you created a museum so to speak. 664 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:38.559 Am I right? 665 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.119 Yeah, yeah, we're able to create it. You know, there's 666 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.759 a fine line between. 667 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.160 Historical interpretive protection and hoarding, and I was kind of 668 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.359 more of the hoarding side, but being the chief for 669 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.359 so long, I just you know, I love be interviewing 670 00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.240 some of the old rangers, and I collected is any 671

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.119 old uniforms that I could over the years, old saddles, 672 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.599 old first aid kids. 673 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.400 Old you know. I had a example of every revolver 674 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:10.440 and pistol. 675 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.559 That we we carried over the years, and of course 676 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.599 photos and things like that, and so we were able 677 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.640 to put it into a museum. Unfortunately, with growing pains, 678 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.920 we've had to do some rebuilding, so we had to 679 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.400 pack everything up. But we packed it up, we inventoried it. 680 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.200 We hoped to take it on the road to East Tennessee, 681 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.079 maybe to some museums here in the next year or so. 682 00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.880 And then the administration has told me they are looking to. 683 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.000 Find a permanent home for it, so we hope to 684 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.720 find a good part for it. And it's pretty cool 685 00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.480 because I know there's a National Park Ranger Museum, but 686 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.839 I don't know of another State Park Ranger museum, So. 687 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.720 It's pretty cool. And it was in the. 688 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.519 Chief Rangers Office, so it was a good way for 689 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.759 new rangers to come in kind of know their history, 690 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.920 know where we came from. And I would make them write, 691 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.079 you know, you know right me a article own and 692 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.519 I'd give them, you know, Jason White, and I make 693 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.759 them go research who he was, how he got started, 694 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.039 what park he worked at, and tell me something about him, 695 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.639 because you know, I think you need to know your history. 696 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.199 You need to be able to tell your story, and 697 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.960 you can't tell it without knowing the history of your agency. 698 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.480 Yeah, and then you did something else that I thought 699 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:26.880 was pretty pretty uh brilliant actually, And that's the alumni 700 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.760 to where you have a get together once a year 701 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.119 at the end of July for all all staff. That 702 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.360 could be somebody that cleans rooms at the hotel, at 703 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.880 the park, all the way up to you or other leaders. 704 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.199 Man revolted, Yeah, you. 705 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.199 Did your homework, didn't you. Man, I give your credit. 706 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.079 But yeah, we started that several years ago, and you know, 707 00:34:51.119

--> 00:34:55.000 I found out it was you know, I called her 708 00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.079 when I first started it. 709 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.280 I called a ranger that had retired about three years 710 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.679 ago or three years to that. 711 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.280 And he started crying and he said, y'all forgot about me. 712 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.599 You know, I spent forty years doing this job and 713 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.679 I left and nobody called me. And it got me 714 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.800 to thinking, and I said, well, you know, it's not 715 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.679 that we didn't call it. We just got busy doing 716 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.079 the job. But shame on us. And it taught me 717 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.400 that you get in a job that all of us 718 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.119 are in, you live it, your family lives it, and 719 00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.920 especially when you're a park family, because you live on 720 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.519 the park and you know, they end up dealing with 721 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:34.000 as many campers as as the rangers do sometimes so 722 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.440 it and then I spent so much time in all 723 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.360 the parks I would I would stay in their houses. 724 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.719 I'd be at their house on Fourth of July because 725 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.480 I was working a park lots of times more than 726 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.880 I would be mine. So it was, you know, it 727 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.480 became a good family. So we get together, we do 728 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.719 at the end of July because that's right around World 729 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.960 Ranger Day, and we celebrate World Ranger Day. But it's 730 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.280 not just for rangers, as you said, it can be somebody, 731 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.559 you know, when the maintenance guys that worked at the park, 732 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.559 one of administrative persons in in the office, or somebody 733 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.760 to clean the bathrooms at the Piking shelter in the hotel, 734 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.440 and we're all a family. We come and get together 735 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.480 and tell stores and show photos and uh uh you know, 736 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.719 do a little more moral video of you know, folks 737 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.639 that have passed on and just try again try to 738 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.159 uh protect the legacy of our history of our park system. 739 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.639 Yeah, it's it's well, it's just like what a copp 740 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.039 retires from a police department. It's like their identity has 741 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:33.119 just been stripped. 742 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.800 From absolutely absolutely and. 743 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.760 You got to be careful about that too, because these

guys, 744 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.119 you know, they that's their whole family, and and once 745 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.320 they're out, they're out. And yeah, and and that's that's uh, 746 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.440 I think that's brilliant that you put that together. Actually, 747 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.840 where is the National Ranger Museum at I. 748 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.880 Believe it's in Yellstone? 749 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.519 Oh okay, nice if. 750 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.360 I if I remember Qutically, I believe it is. And 751 00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.679 you know, something that we're we're we're hoping to do 752 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.280 is we're going to take uh well, we've already started 753 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.039 doing a couple of them. We're taking our alumni and 754 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.800 putting them back out in the parks, you know, leading 755 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.639 some hikes, you know, taking the ones. 756 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.159 That you know, their strong suits, what they were able 757 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:10.480 to do. 758 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.280 And I'll probably end up doing some search and rescue 759 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.519 or caneine stuff, you know, demonstrations for groups and same 760 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.840 thing I'll do with kids, educate older folks that are 761 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:19.920 out there hiking. 762 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.239 And things and the dangers. So you know, I get to. 763 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.440 Be a ranger for an hour or so. And so 764 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.480 we still try to get the alumni out there, and 765 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.559 you know, we put a lot of money into them, 766 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.239 we might as well get something back out of them. 767 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.960 Yeah, that is that near Old Faithful. It's where that 768 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.159 park where that ranger. 769 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.639 You know, I'm not positive, Danny, I apologize, but I 770 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.760 think I think Yellowstone was it. 771 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:47.920 Yeah, I was out there this past I remember seeing. 772 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.280 I think, yeah, I think you're right. 773 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.880 Yeah, yeah, Danny. 774 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.079 Uh. 775 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.800 That light bulb that you're you're involved with, it's the 776 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.719 locator nine one one. Am I am I saying that correctly? 777 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.440 You had this first time? Yes, it is the OKA for. 778 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.239 The first for the first time, for the first time, 779 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:10.360 I got it right, Yeah, located nine one. That's Amanda, Lady, Well, 780 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.679 ladies and gentlemen. Uh, if you're looking for a gift 781 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.679 for your for your loved one, to make sure

that 782 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.199 they are taking care of and that that emergency personnel 783 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.880 if they happen to have a medical condition or something 784 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.280 along those lines. Uh, we're taking a pause for a 785 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.760 little commercial break here. If you, if you, if you, 786 00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:28.280 I don't know that you could buy a better gift. 787 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:28.719 Uh. 788 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.239 This gift is something that could save their life, and 789 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.280 it's something that leads the E M S crews straight 790 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.960 to their house and and believe me, in the in 791 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.440 a rule setting for sure. 792 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:39.400 Uh. 793 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.519 And they're they're working on a lot of amazing products 794 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.039 that I can't even mention right now, but they're right 795 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.800 around the corner Amanda show up that little that quick 796 00:38:45.840 --> 00:39:02.920 little video. So go out by several of them. Uh 797 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.440 they they they And by the way, Danny, while I 798 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.679 was with Danny and we were walking around this Christmas store, 799 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.519 I don't know what the heck it's called, but I 800 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:11.880 don't know how the heck I managed to get out 801 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.000 of there without spending a dime. But but in this store, uh, 802 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.320 Danny sitting there checking his phone. He goes, yeah, we 803 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.599 just sold one hundred and so he gets he he 804 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:25.039 sees every single one that that gets sold. So it's 805 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.840 a big deal. Any comments, Danny, Any. 806 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.159 We get alerts when that doesn't happen very often, but 807 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.519 what it does is pretty exciting. 808 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:36.599 But it is. 809 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.559 It's you know, you said, it's not only for emsses, 810 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.280 for law enforcement, fire departments or anybody responding to a 811 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.559 to a call. And both of you know how hard 812 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.519 it is to find a house, especially at night. So 813 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.239 from our experience, we need this, and it is it's 814 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:57.719 a gift that can keep on giving. 815 00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.599 Yeah, not only that, but they've got a lot of 816 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.199 other things. It would help if you happen to get 817 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.440 lost in the woods too. So all of this stuff 818 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.239 is coming very shortly, and I'll tell you something, Shane. 819 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.960 Did

you guys you know right now with with the 820 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.719 the drones and stuff and how they're being utilized, I 821 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.719 am sure that that you know, we've looked for bodies 822 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.679 that are in the in in our role area, like 823 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.800 out in the woods and stuff. Man, it's tough. It 824 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.239 is tough to find somebody. But the drone technology is 825 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.960 getting better and better. I'm sure that that's something. Is 826 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.239 that something that the Park Services is starting to look 827 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.000 at to help the search. 828 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.239 Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty much standard, you know, for 829 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.519 for years and years and. 830 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.360 We still do. We used uh lean heavily on L. 831 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.320 Tensey Howard Patrol in their aviation unit, but you know, 832 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.920 it takes a while in that up and uh it's 833 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.360 a lot quicker and easier to get drones out there. 834 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.239 So the park system has some, but usually we just. 835 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.559 Uh would lean on our local agencies that would have 836 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.199 them and uh they could be there in just a few. 837 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.119 Minutes and put drones up. 838 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.079 And you know that law enforcement armed robbery that I 839 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.920 worked this week, I think they had about six drones 840 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.199 up while I was out there looking for this individual. 841 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.920 So we had six drones up and the helicopter all 842 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.440 at once. 843 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.840 Yeah, when I think of this bloodhound dog, you know, 844 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.800 we deal with German shepherds and I think they're malamets 845 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.679 or something. I don't know, but they But that's the 846 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.679 types of dogs we use. And I and when I 847 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.400 think of bloodhounds, we're you know, I'm thinking like cool 848 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.079 hand Luke, you know where he's escaping and running off 849 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.559 in the woods. Are the bloodhounds? Is their sense of 850 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:40.519 smell like exponentially greater than like a German shepherd? 851 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.800 Well, you're gonna get me in a big trouble because 852 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.719 you can put one hundred of us in their dog 853 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:53.280 canine handlers and you know we're all gonna brag on 854 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:58.039 our dogs. So every dog has their ability. I just 855 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.360 did my research. I felt the bloodhonds work. 856 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.000 You know, my might drop is I say, well, I 857 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:04.639 had found two. 858 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.280 Hundred and eighty seven individuals in my career that the 859 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.079 dog actually found them. So somebody would have to come 860 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.440 up with more numbers than that to convince me that 861 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.639 another dog is better. Now, I've done it for about 862 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.440 thirty three years, so I should have you know, a 863 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.239 good number of fines. But they just have a great 864 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.039 ability to discriminate. In other words, give them a sent 865 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.320 article of one individual and or I'll give you that analogy. 866 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.239 Gentlemen that trained me. He said, Look, have somebody lay 867 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.679 a trail on a golf course early in the morning. 868 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.440 Let people play on it all day long, come back 869 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.599 that evening, give the dog a scent article. Let them 870 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:47.320 try to find the individual. If that dog can do that, then. 871 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.840 You've got a really really good, certifiable dog. And that's 872 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.920 that's tough to do, to have that much contamination. But 873 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:57.400 you know, if you think about it, you go into 874 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.039 a scene. 875 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.119 You know, in law enforcem asked me to trail somebody 876 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.559 that went into a house and committed a homicide ran 877 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.679 out back, and if fifteen law enforcement or MS people 878 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.599 have been in and out, they're sin everywhere. So I 879 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.719 wanting to ask that dog to find that one individual 880 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.960 instead of everybody else has been through there, and that 881 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.199 that takes a lot of training to put that dog 882 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:21.639 into it. 883 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.519 I feel the. 884 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.519 Bloodhound does that the best. But you know, that's that's 885 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.239 just my area. The dog I saw Coophane Luke and 886 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.920 I loved the dog too, So that's that's where. 887 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.920 I went with it can they? 888 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:35.519 I think you may have told me this or I 889 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.480 heard somewhere that if it's early enough, the dog can 890 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.760 actually tell I get they got in a car, which 891 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.199 direction they may have went. Is that true? 892 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:51.480 Yeah, you know, they they can. I mean, I don't 893

00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.960 know that I've had a dog that was that good. Now. 894 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.840 I ran a trail about two weeks ago of a 895 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.159 missing child or a teenager, and I trailed her from 896 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.559 her house and the dog got to end of the 897 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.599 neighbor's driveway and stopped, and they said, what happened? I said, 898 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.480 she got in a car right here? The dog went 899 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.639 out trailer further. I couldn't come up with a direction, 900 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.800 but that dog stopped and said, okay, the trail ended here, 901 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.840 and it wasn't a bout an hour later they found 902 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.320 out that, yeah, her boyfriend had come and picked her up. 903 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.480 So you know it, at least it told us that 904 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.840 she wasn't out in the woods, that she she was 905 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.039 mobile and she was okay. 906 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.159 Is there a difference between like a cadiver dog and 907 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:34.440 a bloodhound, I mean, is it? I know they got 908 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.599 to be trained differently, but. 909 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:36.960 Yeah, they're trained different. 910 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.639 But I've got a lot of good friends that use 911 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.440 bloodhounds as cadavers human remains detection dog. So yeah, you 912 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.679 know you they have that great smell. 913 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.119 So okay, And that brings me to a point I 914 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.159 want to ask about real quick because I've been I've 915 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.039 been in a homicide for sixteen and a half years 916 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.519 and I have dealt with this since i've been in there, 917 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.119 and that's I hear it all the time. I'm usually 918 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:04.800 from younger detectives and they're like, yeah, that's witchcraft. Those 919 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.719 cadaver dogs don't work. And my my opinion to that is, oh, 920 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.280 yes they do. That's why they've been around for decades. 921 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.920 And what what is the what is your opinion of 922 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.000 cadaver dogs? 923 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:18.679 It? 924 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.920 Yes, they work. 925 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.719 I saw a dog, a good friend of mine, one 926 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.960 of my mentors. Uh, I saw his dog find a 927 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.400 indicator on the body about thirty five feet down, and 928 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.280 you know, I wouldn't have believe it until divers went 929 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.559 down and brought this young kid up, and that sold 930 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.639 me rapped in in there. 931

00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.079 Uh wait a second, Wait a second, you mean divers. 932 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.639 Yeah, you know, the dog would indicate that the body 933 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.880 was the gases were coming up, and the dog would 934 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.679 bark indicate Hey, there's a body down there. And so 935 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.559 then we were bringing divers to go in and dive 936 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.159 down and find the body. 937 00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.320 Wow. 938 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:00.920 Wow, did you do you ever have any luck with 939 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.519 like buried bodies out there? And so forth as well? 940 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.559 Well, you know, my job when we were talking about 941 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:13.199 Hurricane Helene, my job became in Tennessee because I've worked 942 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.639 so closely for so many years from the Tennessee Emergency 943 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:16.519 Management Agency. 944 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.400 I had the Department of Health and the Department of. 945 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.159 Safety, the Highway Patrol calling me saying, Shane, get us 946 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.679 cadaver dogs. So I sent probably dozens of cadaver doogs 947 00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.920 toward HRD dogs to Helene, and then a lot of them. 948 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.239 I've got some really good friends that are really good 949 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.280 dogs out of with the Task Force one out of Memphis, 950 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.199 and they went to Texas and to Helene. So they 951 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.960 wouldn't you know, they do a lot of training. I mean, 952 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.400 it is very regulous, and the certification is really really tough, 953 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:50.760 and so. 954 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.639 You know, they just have a great ability. They're just 955 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.000 a tool in the toolbox, just like everything we use. 956 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.599 You can take them out there and find you know, 957 00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.840 on this case, you know, they didn't they didn't solve 958 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.320 the case. 959 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.760 But just the other night, with six drones and. 960 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.480 A ten million dollar helicopter in the air, you know, 961 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.800 they didn't find the guy, but the canine did. 962 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.000 So it was just his night. You know. We were 963 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.840 just at the right place at the right time, had 964 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.639 the right training, and we're able to locate the suspect. 965 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.360 So you just use the try to use every two 966 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.599 in the two box, whether it's a drone, helicopter, whatever 967 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.320 it may be, blood spatter, fingerprints, to try to use 968 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:34.719 them all. 969 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.800 Uh, in that investigation to find that missing person. 970 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.480 Yeah, and did you ever have any close calls with snakes? 971 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.159 I never did. Uh, I've about had a dog bit before. 972 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.480 I never have, but a couple of my good friends 973 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.079 have just here recently over the summer. 974 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.119 A good friend of mine had one bit. 975 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.039 You know, because your dog's out in front going and 976 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:58.960 you're you're you're rusting through. 977 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.639 Just very rugged area. 978 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.639 So yeah, it's it's very common. I've been very lucky 979 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.400 and very blessed. Probably I've been close to it. I 980 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.760 just didn't know it, and I'd rather than yeah about it. 981 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.119 Yeah, because I could think that after the dog gets 982 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.119 through there, Now the rattlesnake is awake. Yeah, and then 983 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:16.480 you come up on them, you know what I mean. 984 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.840 I've heard the analogy, you know, by the second person 985 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:19.920 coming through as all. 986 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.960 Being the first and in the handler. Yeah, sure that's true. 987 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:24.880 But I've been blessed. 988 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.159 We're going to get to your books here in a minute. 989 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.559 But I'm curious as too. I'm just fascinated with this 990 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.519 because I've never talked to a park ranger, uh in 991 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.960 depth like this, and this is interesting to me. So 992 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.119 what are you looking for? What are what are kind 993 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.639 of the characteristics of an applicant that you really look 994 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.599 for that just kind of that kind of interest you 995 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.400 in that person. What are you looking for? 996 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.360 Well, you've got to have that that love of the 997 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.800 out of doors. You've got to have that love of people, 998 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.840 because we're really you know, law enforcement is a very 999 00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:57.239 small percentage. 1000 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:57.480 Of what we do. 1001 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.679 It is more education of pub You want to educate 1002 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.960 them about the floor in fauna of a park. 1003 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.119 But you also have to run different operations. 1004 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.599 Whether you know a camp you've got people coming camping, 1005 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.199 You've got hiking trails. So

those hiking trails are usually 1006 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.519 built by the park rangers. They're maintained by the park rangers. 1007 00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:22.480 They're reblazed by the park rangers, and when somebody gets 1008 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.159 lost on them, it's that park ranger that has to 1009 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:25.159 go out there and do them. 1010 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:26.000 You know. 1011 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.719 Danny being a paramedic, you know, we would call them 1012 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.000 to come assist us. 1013 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.599 But Danny's like, I don't want to go eight miles 1014 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.679 out on that trail. 1015 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.559 You know, if I don't have to, I want to know, 1016 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.280 you know, you go get the individual that's injured and 1017 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.079 bring them to us. So with that being said, that's 1018 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:43.880 why we have to do a lot of search and rescue. 1019 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.000 You have to find, you have to search for the person, 1020 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.599 then you have to rescue them, you have to treat them. 1021 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.360 So Danny and I we got to know each other 1022 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.519 because I went to MT School. So many of our 1023 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.440 rangers they're either mrs or a lot of them are EMTs, 1024 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.000 and we have several that are paramedics just because of 1025 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.800 we have you know, we have an individual have a 1026 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.599 heart attack eight miles out on a trail. Uh, you know, 1027 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.719 that can be a very serious because you know, we're 1028 00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.000 going to be limited on how much oxygen we can 1029 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.079 give them because of. 1030 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.119 The supply that we can take with us. 1031 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.280 Yeah, that's funny. 1032 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.800 On that show I was talking to you about Tracker. 1033 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.760 Last night's episode was a guy just like that. It 1034 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.440 was way in the mountains. He had fallen and hurt 1035 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.199 his head, and the ranger that was there, they were 1036 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.360 capable to the heather kid. You know, they jump back 1037 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.679 and take care because just those two two guys out 1038 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.000 there and he was able to do it. Today, that's 1039 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.400 not a required training for new rangers. Are new park 1040 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.400 person well yeah, you. 1041 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.000 Know, one of their first requirements is go to the 1042 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.480 police academy and then next one would be go to 1043 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.400 medical school, and then then we would start parting them 1044 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.760 in the and rescue end of it. And that depends 1045 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.880 on what park they are. You know, if they're at 1046 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:08.480 a they used park that's a historical interpretive park, they 1047 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.559 may not go through that training if they didn't need 1048 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.000 it for that part, but they also would be on 1049 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.199 our special ranger response classes or teams, and so we'd 1050 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:22.400 still put them through those classes. We did a lot 1051 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.760 of helicopter horse with since Iway patrol, so instead of 1052 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.079 having to carry somebody ten or twelve miles in a 1053 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.559 stretcher that would take a long time. We'd call in 1054 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.920 aviation and they would be able to hoist them out 1055 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.880 in a lot quicker time to really save somebody's life. 1056 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:39.480 Yeah, do you guys kind of keep a pretty good 1057 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.599 eye on how many people are going into that point? 1058 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:46.199 I mean, you can't monitor everybody, but yes, I guess 1059 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.360 you look for cars. I guess you look for cars 1060 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.719 that are that are sitting out there at two o'clock 1061 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.280 in the morning and there's nobody around, and you're like, oh, 1062 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.679 that's not good. You know one of those deals. 1063 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.719 Well, the last search that I did is chief Ranger 1064 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.000 was eight parks, and that's how they all start. You know, 1065 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.159 the rangers getting ready to leave. They're gonna go shut 1066 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.239 the gate. It was wintertime. It was February twenty third. 1067 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.360 I believe ranger walks out and sees that one car 1068 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.719 in the parking lot and said, oh man, and so 1069 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.480 you know, you have to make the determination is this 1070 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.559 a lost hiker or is it somebody that is what 1071 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:22.960 we call ro ow are they in the rest of 1072 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.599 the world. Did they just park there, jump in with 1073 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.000 a buddy and go eat and said I'll come back 1074 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:29.000 and get the car later on. 1075 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.280 Happens every day. Yeah, But my. 1076 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.599 Last sever that's what I went on or went off 1077 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.079 with their girlfriend that the wife didn't know about. 1078 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.280 Well that that has

happened on a time or two. 1079 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.880 So they really get a good scolding when they come back, 1080 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:44.840 you know, they come back in the. 1081 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.360 Gates loot and so well, let's just call your wife 1082 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.000 down here to come pick you up. Yeah. 1083 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:53.199 I got a little quick story, Jason. I don't know 1084 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.440 a few years ago. It's probably been about five years. 1085 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.000 I guess. I was over in West Tennessee. Like you said, 1086 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.840 Tennessee is a big state, So Weston said, it's another 1087 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.400 two hours from here. I had met a buddy of 1088 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.760 mine then we're going to go to a casino in uh, Mississippi, 1089 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.119 and we decided to do it back then, and I thought, 1090 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.480 where can I park my car? There's a state park here. 1091 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.000 I wonder who I could call. So I called my 1092 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.440 buddy up and uh, I'll tell you what, Shane. And 1093 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.800 when I went in there, I parked my car and 1094 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:31.039 I went into the the park office and uh, and 1095 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.920 I said hey, Uh he said, okay, I had a 1096 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:38.400 friend of my call Shane or are you Danny, Yes, yes, 1097 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.239 just park it right over here and we'll we'll watch 1098 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.800 it all night and I did. 1099 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.280 Now everybody can do. 1100 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.760 That, so I felt pretty pretty high that I knew 1101 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.119 somebody really important. 1102 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.519 Well, yeah, that didn't take a lot of effort. But 1103 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.559 now Danny Fleming are friend paramedic. He called me the 1104 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.840 middle of the night because he took a scouting room 1105 00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.079 to a park and didn't realize they closed the gate 1106 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.719 a dark and it was about eleven o'clock at nine. 1107 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.320 He's like, do you know anybody at this par Well, 1108 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.440 of course I know everybody, but I have to wake 1109 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.639 somebody up. But for Danny, I woke them up and 1110 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.960 they opened the gate for him. So we are going to. 1111 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.960 Get to your books, but I want to ask you 1112 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.679 one one thing before we get to there. And I 1113 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.719 talked to you a little bit off air. Out of 1114 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.559 all these rescues you've you've been involved in, you know, 1115 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.559 and I know that the first couple that that was 1116 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.920 kind of it got you really really interested in that 1117 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.760 aspect of your job of the rescue. And I'm sure 1118 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.119 that's well, I mean, you're probably it's a it's an 1119 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.480 adrenaline thing, man, it's a big deal and et cetera. 1120 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.719 But but uh, what are is there a career case 1121 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.800 or two that really stands out to you of over 1122 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.159 all of the years that you did this, that were 1123 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.559 just an amazing story that that just stands out from 1124 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:50.360 the others. 1125 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.159 Well, you know, I've got a couple, and one of 1126 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:54.559 them was a young lady that. 1127 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.480 Was rock climbing with her brother in Fall Creek Falls. 1128 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.679 I think it was her twenty f her birthday, and 1129 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.000 she was about ten feet up. 1130 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.639 Well, they had gone down into a very rugged gorge 1131 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:11.519 area a few miles down stream and just very rugged area, 1132 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.360 and she was about ten feet up in the air 1133 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.400 and climbing on a boater, and the boater just pulled loose. 1134 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.079 It was about two hundred, two hundred and twenty five 1135 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.239 pounds and it fell in her lap and about ninety 1136 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:27.559 eighty five percent amputated her leg, and her brother had 1137 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.360 Her brother actually took his clothes off and made a 1138 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:32.039 splint or. 1139 00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.639 Mate, took some sticks. 1140 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.280 And tried to make, you know, the best kind of 1141 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:44.320 splint that he could and banger up, you know, as 1142 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.800 well as he could with his clothes, ran out back 1143 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.320 out to the road to get help, and then ran 1144 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.039 back to her. I was able to I was I 1145 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.880 actually happened to be in that park because there was 1146 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.960 a big festival that day, and I rode my horse out. 1147 00:55:58.400 --> 00:55:59.360 I was about one hundred and. 1148 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.280 Fifty feet up of them in the gorge, and I 1149 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.599 was able to stop my horse and I would look down, 1150 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.519 but I had just I was right in the middle 1151 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.079 of Mt School. I had just been through Mountain Rescue. 1152 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.440 So I grabbed my MT bag, I grabbed my two 1153 00:56:12.519 -->

00:56:15.719 hundred foot rope and a repelling harness. I tied my 1154 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.119 horse to a tree a repell down, got to her, 1155 00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:22.199 assess her, caught a lot of the rangers, and. 1156 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.920 You know, packed as much dressing in as I could 1157 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:25.480 with her. 1158 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:30.800 I actually basically held her exposed for moral artery for 1159 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.000 about the next two hours to get her out. 1160 00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.840 And it was just the most rugged stuff that we 1161 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.880 had gotten out. You know. 1162 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.960 I stopped the rescue team a couple times because I 1163 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:42.679 thought she had died. I mean, I couldn't get a 1164 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.960 pulse and I couldn't get a heartbeat, and every time 1165 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.480 I would get ready to do CPR, she'd open her 1166 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.320 eyes and look at me and she'd actually say that 1167 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.079 it's my birthday. And I said what And we take 1168 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.760 off again and at one. 1169 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:56.079 You know. 1170 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.960 I met her several years later and she said, do 1171 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.159 you remember singing Happy Birthday to me? And I said, girl, 1172 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.960 I'm a professional. I wouldn't have done that. And then 1173 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.280 all of a sudden it hit me. I said, I 1174 00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.639 sure did, didn't I I had forgotten that. I guess 1175 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.039 I blacked it out or the trauma, you know, the 1176 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:16.960 stress of it. But when we got her out, put 1177 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.920 her in a helicopter, the ambulance attendees told her brother, 1178 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.079 you need to go to Chattanooga and identify her body 1179 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.440 because she didn't make it. And we got a call 1180 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.400 later that night that she did make it. And matter 1181 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.039 of fact, the next day, I put my horse in 1182 00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.199 the trader and I drove all the way to Chattanooga 1183 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.599 with a horse and the horse trader. I just wanted 1184 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.119 to look, and so I went into the Mercy room, 1185 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:41.719 and sure enough, there she was. 1186 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.679 They put eleven leaders of blood. 1187 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:47.880 In her that night, multiple surgeries and put her back together, 1188 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:53.239 and she's alive today, had two kids, She had about 1189 00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.239 three hundred and sixty seven staples. I think had three 1190 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.400 or four different total hip surgery. But she's still mobile, 1191 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.880 still going. I think she's surfing right now in Hawaii 1192 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.440 if the last I heard from her. 1193 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.119 So she still got her leg Yeah, still they was 1194 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:09.840 back together. 1195 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.920 It's unbelievable, you know, it's unbelievable what they did. 1196 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.440 So the Good Lord was he was with us on 1197 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.480 that day. 1198 00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:18.800 Yeah. 1199 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:20.440 And did you say you had a second one that 1200 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.800 comes to mind, Well, it was my last. 1201 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.039 Search that I did. 1202 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:25.679 You know, it is the one where we talked about 1203 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.280 the parking lot and it took us four hundred and 1204 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.119 seventeen days to solve. And I know I saw in 1205 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.239 your intro you had the old crime scene where you 1206 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.920 would put the push pins in and draw the string, 1207 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:40.079 you know, to all the different. 1208 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.320 That's what we did with this. This thing. 1209 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:47.800 Had it make a Netflix series. I mean, I go 1210 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.679 around a lot of the state and I do this search. 1211 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.360 I do it about three or four times a year 1212 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.079 to different search teams, and I give them scenario because 1213 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.840 I used every every bit of real search and rescue 1214 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.599 resource and idea and technique that I could imagine, whether 1215 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:10.320 it was helicopter's, drone, dogs, kayaks, underwater cameras, divers, everything 1216 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:11.039 you could think. 1217 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.320 Of, and I could not find this guy. 1218 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.880 And I just it just plagued me, and I just 1219 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.440 stayed on it. And I just stayed on it, uh, 1220 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.880 And it became my code case. And I told everybody, 1221 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.519 I will find this guy, and when I do, it's 1222 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.119 going to be a highlight, and I'm going to retire. Uh, 1223 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.679 you know, I'll retire on top. And took me four 1224 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.480 hundred and seventeen days. I found him and decided I 1225 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.599 better be a man of my word, and. 1226 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.599 So I did retire after that. But we were able to. 1227 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.519 Use the technology to be able to find him. You know, 1228 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.440 it could have been anything that you run into Jason. 1229

00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.119 He could have been in a different part of the 1230 00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:48.400 country because he. 1231 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.400 Had done before. He could have got a ride, he 1232 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:51.880 could have. 1233 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.519 Had a lot of things could have happened to him. 1234 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.719 But he had actually just had a bad accident, fell 1235 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.559 off a cliff and it was kind of like an 1236 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.400 avalanche covered up his body and he just couldn't find him. 1237 01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:03.599 And we use. 1238 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:09.079 Some geo cashing technology to find his phone, and by 1239 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.920 using that and had to dig out his body and 1240 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.559 finally found his sculptal remains. 1241 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:16.519 Any animal activity. 1242 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.039 Oh yeah, yeah. There weren't many of his bones left, 1243 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.239 and you know, most of them had been scattered we're 1244 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.960 able to find his skull in about fourteen bones, but 1245 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.480 most of them were scattered. Yeah. 1246 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.320 But one of the most interesting things one of my 1247 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.920 buddies that just helped me forensically from computer side of it, 1248 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.880 he said, I promise you, when we find this guy, 1249 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.639 whether he's dead or alive, he will have his college 1250 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:49.159 ring on every picture we could see on Facebook, he 1251 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.280 would hold his hand up and have his college ring 1252 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.199 on his middle finger. And on that day that we 1253 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.159 went to look for him, we took this buddy of mine, 1254 01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.199 Clint Derberry. 1255 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.599 He had the audia. 1256 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.480 I did take a metal detector and we've with the 1257 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.719 metal detector, first we found his cell phone. Then we 1258 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:11.079 dug deeper and we found the body or the skeltule remains, 1259 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.800 and then we found his class ring which had his 1260 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:14.280 name in. 1261 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.480 It, which was a really identify the individual. 1262 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:19.880 That had to have been gratifying for you. 1263 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.880 It was I mean I lost just like you, Jason. 1264 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:24.679 You know, I lost a lot of sleep. I'd wake 1265 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.719 up in the mind and go how to miss him? 1266 01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.800 Where is this guy? Get on Google Earth, try to 1267 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.320 research and go what do we not do? Where did 1268 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.320 we look? And I mean I'd get my wife would 1269 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.639 tell me to leave in the middle of the night. 1270 01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.400 She's like, if you're gonna sit there on a computer 1271 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:40.280 and wake me up, get out of my house. 1272 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.320 You know, go to the park, go out there and 1273 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.920 look for him. Your wife done it too. You wouldn't 1274 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.280 be laughing if you know. You know how it is? 1275 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.679 I do, I do. All right, let's talk about these books. 1276 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.199 So you've got two books. I mean to throw those 1277 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.679 pictures of those books up there. Now there's one lost 1278 01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.760 in Hound and then the other one is is that one? 1279 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.480 So God made rangers? And tell us how that all started? 1280 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:06.760 Where you sat down? 1281 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.039 Well, you know, I guess like anybody, you know, we've 1282 01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.159 all got dozens of stories. 1283 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.960 And I thought, well, I'll write a book someday. But yeah, 1284 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.519 who has time to do that. 1285 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:21.480 Well, I don't know if it was just age or 1286 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.800 calcium or whatever it is, but I had some bone 1287 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.679 spurs and the doctor said, I'm gonna take care of 1288 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.079 achilles tending off and knocked that bone spur off with 1289 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.079 a chisel on the hammer, and he said, you're gonna 1290 01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:32.719 be laid up for about three and a a half 1291 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.920 to four months in the bed. You better find something 1292 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.320 to do and I thought, I said, you don't know me, doc, 1293 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.280 I will not be in that bed for that long. 1294 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.199 And I was wrong. So I took all my canine 1295 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.280 files and just my wife. 1296 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.360 Would feed me in the morning breakfast, and when she'd 1297 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.000 leave for work, I just get on the computer and 1298 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.880 I just told stories of all my canine fines and 1299 01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.480 just tried to tell it like you were there with 1300 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.800 me running through the woods. And so I just put 1301 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.920 that down. And then after I retired, I took a 1302 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.239 year off and took a lot of our Circumagine stores. 1303 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.400 And you know, I really wanted to glorify in the 1304 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.920 first one, glorify what the dog could do. But the

1305 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.519 other one, I wanted to glorify and appreciate state park 1306 01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:16.320 rangers of what they do, and not just Tennessee, but 1307 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:20.639 National park rangers, rangers all across the country, of just 1308 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.360 you know, a lot of people don't realize how many 1309 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.840 fatalities are in a park and what they. 1310 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:28.960 Have to do to be able to do that. So 1311 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.760 so both of my books, I didn't I'm not a writer. 1312 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.920 I found out that you can put anything on paper 1313 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.280 and send a company money and they'll print it. 1314 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:43.320 So I did it really I've got nine grandkids. 1315 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:44.679 And I wanted to think I was pretty cool at 1316 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.599 one time, you know, so when they grow up, maybe 1317 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:47.840 one day they'll read it and. 1318 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.119 Go, wow, he was kind of cool. Yeah, But I 1319 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:53.199 don't really. 1320 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.239 The interesting part of my books, I don't really make 1321 01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.199 any money off of them. What I do it was 1322 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.440 when I sell one, they are on Amazon. But when 1323 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:08.000 I sell them, what any proceeds I get, they go 1324 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.519 to a very good friend of mine, Sergeant Lee Russell. 1325 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.400 Lee was the upcoming star with the Tennessee Howard Patrol 1326 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.960 in their aviation union. He was a pilot for Tennessee 1327 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.320 Howard Patrol. August twenty second of two thousand and twenty three, 1328 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.320 Lee was in a helicopter crash. He and Matt Blansett 1329 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:33.360 in Marion County and they were in a fatal helicopter 1330 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.840 crash that killed them, and they both had young kids. 1331 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.239 Lee had two kids, and so all proceeds to any 1332 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.280 of my books go to his kids college fund. 1333 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.519 So just one of those, Lee would do the same 1334 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.159 thing for me. And it was just what little I 1335 01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:49.440 can do. 1336 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.119 You know, I don't sell that many books, and so 1337 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.519 what little I do is just enough to buy another 1338 01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.360 book and then give his kids a little bit of 1339 01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.719 money for a college fund, so if I can help them. 1340 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.360 So, ladies and gentlemen, I can't think of a better 1341 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.719 way to uh, a better book to get either one

1342 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:09.480 of those. And it's going to an epic cause. And 1343 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.719 so you should look at those and that, and that 1344 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.679 just proves to me that you were a class act above. 1345 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.119 You told me that earlier when we talked on the phone, 1346 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.000 and I was like, yeah, I've been this guy. You're 1347 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.239 you're one of those people. Man, You're something special. If 1348 01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.400 they had a superhero that was a park Ranger with 1349 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.159 a cape, uh, you're looking at him right here. 1350 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:32.719 I think I'm just like every other first responder is. 1351 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:36.280 I just pour everything into it that I get and 1352 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.920 I didn't waste any time. And it might have been 1353 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.719 on adrenaline junction. I don't know, but you know, I 1354 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.920 just enjoyed serving the public. 1355 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:47.480 And still able to do it. 1356 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.480 I love it Superhero always. 1357 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:53.920 I love it because no, I think he is, and 1358 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.519 I love it because, uh, I have no doubt that 1359 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.559 it was probably hard for you to walk away. I 1360 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:02.480 bet you still want to. Well, you're still kind of 1361 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.320 your hands are still in stuff you're just not across 1362 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:07.679 the state. You're a more confined area. 1363 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.920 I get to sleep in my bed every night, which 1364 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.440 is something I didn't do for about twenty seven years. 1365 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.039 But I'm still in the state parks a lot. 1366 01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.599 I still teach search and rescue twice a year through 1367 01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.440 the Police Academy, and we do it in a state 1368 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.119 park at fall Group Falls, so and I still encourage 1369 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.239 a lot of rangers to come through there because I 1370 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.400 want to keep on that search and rescue training. The 1371 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.039 state put a lot of training into me, and I'm 1372 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.599 still able to give back. So the mentors that I 1373 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:41.159 had years ago, now I become them and I'm an instructor, 1374 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.440 and so I try to teach them everything that was 1375 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:44.920 taught me. 1376 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.440 So my last way to give back. 1377 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.840 If somebody wants to reach out to you because they're like, 1378 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.719 oh man, this is really interesting, how do they get 1379 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.159 in touch with you down the line? 1380 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.840 Probably the best way my personal email would be T 1381 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:06.880 dot Shane dot Petty at gmail dot com. 1382 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.639 All Right, A man, that's probably she's she's probably writing 1383 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.000 that down right now. But yeah, that's great. Well, uh, 1384 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:13.599 get a. 1385 01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.800 Hold of Danny, you know. Yeah, he can get a 1386 01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.239 hold of. 1387 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:17.960 Me, Well, get a hold of me and then I 1388 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.840 will put you in touch. There you go. Is that right? 1389 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.639 T dot Shane dot petty do at gmail dot com. 1390 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:24.400 Yeah, that's it so perfect. 1391 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.239 So if you're looking for somebody to speak, I'm sure 1392 01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.639 that he would be. Uh, he'd be a good fit. 1393 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.280 And I'm sure you have case studies and everything else. 1394 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.599 You you know, you've got a catalog of stuff that 1395 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.039 you can talk about. I have no doubt. And uh, 1396 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.159 he's probably going, well, I don't know about a catalog, 1397 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.239 but but he's got a lot he could probably talk 1398 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:43.599 about for sure. Uh. 1399 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.239 Those I've got several. 1400 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.119 That's when we teach, when we teach our classes, will 1401 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.400 that's what we do is we take case studies and say, okay, 1402 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.880 here's what we did, how can you do better? You know, 1403 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.039 what's the technology? And and I let him, you know, 1404 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.800 I'll let him beat me up. You know, hey, you 1405 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.079 and see if you do better. And I learned from them, 1406 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.800 so yeah, you know, I'm from the students, so you know, 1407 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.920 runs were all learning from our mistakes, you know, and 1408 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:10.800 try to get better. 1409 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.639 That's that's better for the for the visitor. 1410 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.159 Anything that I didn't ask you that you'd like to 1411 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.239 put out there in reference to your job and just 1412 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.439 basically what are your plans for the future? 1413 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:28.359 Man boy, put the pressure on me. So I love 1414 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:29.960 the fish. That's my thing. 1415 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:34.159 Matter of fact, like all of us, every first responder, 1416 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.000 you know, there comes a time when you hang it up. 1417

01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.479 You have to turn your keys in, turn your vehicle, in, 1418 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.760 turn the radio in the whole nine yard. When I 1419 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.279 did that, Jason, my office was on the Duck River 1420 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.479 here in Middle Tennessee. It's the touted as the most 1421 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.960 biodiverse river in the world. And I live on the 1422 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:56.159 Duck River and I have grown up on the Duck River. 1423 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.600 So when I turned my truck in, I had a 1424 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:01.680 canoe in the back of it. 1425 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:03.279 I drugged the canoe down the hill. 1426 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.239 Within four and a half minutes of retirement, I was 1427 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.159 fishing on the river. So I fished, and I lived 1428 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:10.279 below there, about a. 1429 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:10.800 Mile from there. 1430 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.319 So I fished home, and my wife and two of 1431 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.439 my grandkids were waiting on me there at the boat round. 1432 01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.600 So you know when I finally do retire. 1433 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.560 I stayed retired a year, fished almost every day, but 1434 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.239 then went back to work in my home county here 1435 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.279 with emergency management here in Murray County, and they still 1436 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.079 let me work dogs, and I still can get back 1437 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.600 to the county and teach some of the young. 1438 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.159 Folks and still teaching the state. 1439 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.319 So I'll still be involved with that as much as 1440 01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.800 I can. It's just, you know, the way we're all molded. 1441 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.680 But the biggest thing I want to think is, like 1442 01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.880 you guys and every other first responder, that people don't realize. 1443 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.239 You know, we have to thank our families because we 1444 01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.720 were all a phone call away, and it happens every minute. 1445 01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.279 You know, this armed robbery I worked last week. It 1446 01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.439 was on Friday night, and so you get caught all out. 1447 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.399 I was actually on vacation, you know, and so I 1448 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.640 had to look at my wife and she knew, you know, 1449 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.399 she loves I know, I loved run behind the dog, 1450 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.399 and I said, look, there's a community in need. I 1451 01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.640 have an ability and a resource, and I'm gonna go 1452 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:15.560 try to help them out. 1453 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.079 What happened, Shane. If you're fishing with your wife and 1454 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.720 her fishing pole gets pulled into the. 1455 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:27.439 Water, well, that happened to us on vacation. There's a 1456 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:28.359 video out there. 1457 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.000 I was going to take a lure and try to 1458 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.079 get it and my wife there was a fish on 1459 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:33.680 the end of the line, so she just jumped out 1460 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.760 of the lake and you know, and dove down and 1461 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.000 came up with a fishing pole. 1462 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:42.119 So if you don't believe it, look on my Facebook page. Yes, yeah, 1463 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.119 she did it. Yeah, thanks Danny. 1464 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.000 That's like a mountain woman, is what that? People just 1465 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:49.760 don't do that. 1466 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.640 You know, I married a real country girl. She's not 1467 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:54.920 afraid of anything. 1468 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:59.039 Nice. Nice, I did any anything else, any other questions 1469 01:10:59.039 --> 01:10:59.520 that you try. 1470 01:10:59.439 --> 01:10:59.920 To throw at it. 1471 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.560 It's an honor to be in both of you guys 1472 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.960 in presence, but just be here to thank Shane for 1473 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:08.279 coming on and being a part of this. It meant 1474 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:10.840 a lot to me. Yeah, I know what did to Jason. 1475 01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:13.039 Oh my go has been my honor. 1476 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:14.600 I mean to be in the room with a couple 1477 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:17.119 of giants. Man, Thank you Jason for having his own 1478 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:21.520 and come back to Tennessee. You know, we've got plenty 1479 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:24.239 of more stories and we can hit a state part 1480 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:25.039 and do some vision. 1481 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.880 That sounds like a plan and I'm going to hold 1482 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.640 you to that and we'll we'll definitely be back in 1483 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:33.079 your great state. I want to thank everybody for tuning in. 1484 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:36.359 This is episode number seventy five. No better person to 1485 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:41.439 be the guest tonight than Shane and Man seventy five episodes. 1486 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.439 That's a big deal. I encourage you, if you're still 1487 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.680 here at this point, like and subscribe, to subscribe to 1488 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.399 this channel. It takes you less than thirty seconds. And 1489 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.520 I appreciate it. And it's free. And what it does 1490 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.560 is it helps the algorithm, and it helps these guys 1491 01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.119 get recognized by a lot more people and to get 1492 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.199

the word out. And that's what I love about this. 1493 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.800 I want to thank everybody for being here. Hopefully I'm 1494 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:05.920 going to see some of you at the US Marshall 1495 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.560 Museum and uh and and and tell a friend or 1496 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.640 a family member if you really enjoy the content of 1497 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.880 this to go ahead and check it out. And uh 1498 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.640 and I appreciate everybody that does. And please leave a 1499 01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.560 comment because I try to respond to all of those 1500 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.760 as well. Check out my TikTok page. That thing is exploding, 1501 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.880 Danny's shaking his head up and Dan, that's right, because 1502 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:26.600 it's exploded. 1503 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:26.960 I don't know. 1504 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.319 I put some videos on there of checking out a 1505 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.640 couple of real life crime locations. And uh, it's kind 1506 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:35.840 of fun and I enjoy I enjoy just kind of 1507 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:37.880 doing some fun stuff like that. I'm not acting stupid, 1508 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:39.680 I'm just kind of It's kind of my thing. 1509 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:40.159 Shane. 1510 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:43.039 My thing is murder. I just your thing is looking 1511 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.039 for fish in people out in the wilderness. Mine is. Uh. 1512 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.119 I just am fascinated with murder. I guess we all 1513 01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:50.600 have our own little thing and I wanted to do 1514 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:52.800 that since I was a little kid, so I can 1515 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.840 relate to you one hundred percent. Listen, that's right, Thank 1516 01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.279 you all for being here. Thanks again, Shane, You're you're 1517 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.119 really I consider you a friend from here on. Man, 1518 01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.399 You're somebody special. And Danny, I appreciate you coming back 1519 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:08.600 and sitting in with us. Thank you for getting with 1520 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:14.239 Shane and making this happen. And until next time, ladies 1521 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:16.119 and gentlemen. I don't think we're going to have an 1522 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.600 episode the week after that, because that's I don't want 1523 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.720 to take away from a guest throwing an episode up 1524 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:25.880 on the Thanksgiving weekend. Just enjoy your weekend with your family. 1525 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.199 And I will tell you this, we are going to 1526 01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.920 have Mike Elam back on. And those episodes have just 1527 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.000 went through the roof. I mean, it's it's crazy. We'll 1528 01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:39.960 talk to him about what has been discovered about Sheriff Puster, 1529 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:41.920 the stuff that he discovered from the files that were 1530 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.840 released from from from that that case, the Tennessee's Bureau 1531 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:50.680 of Investigation. Epic job doing their job, which is really 1532 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.359 impressive and so well. We'll talk more about that later 1533 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.159 on down the line. Until next time, though, Amanda, take 1534 01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:03.079 us out