Shane Petty

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Hello everybody, Jason White here coming to you on November
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the twenty first, twenty twenty five, A very special episode tonight.
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This is episode number seventy five of Into the Fire.
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That's like a diamond episode, and so I'm very, very
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honored to have a special guest tonight. It's going to
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be Shane Petty, ranger extraordinary, probably one of the most
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well known rangers in the state of Tennessee. And this guy,
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this guy, let me tell you, when I looked through
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when I talked to him on the phone and I
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read his bio, I was like reminded as to how
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little I have done in my life. This guy, this
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guy has made the best of his career and he's
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made rangers proud throughout this country. Believe me, you talk
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about somebody that's done a lot. Last week, I was
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actually in the great State of Tennessee. I flew back Sunday.
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My wife and I were there in Gatlinburg and Pigeon
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Forge area, and a very special surprise actually Danny Couples,
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who's going to be joining me on this episode. He
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and his wife Dory had came out and they spent
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a couple of days with us out there and we
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had a great time, and we walked our legs nearly
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off and we just searched in almost every store. Believe me,
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there's lots of stores in between. Both of the ladies
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they they they enjoyed getting to know one another and
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we just had a good time. So it was it
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was a lot of fun. I have to say, Gatlinburg
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and the Pigeon Forage area, the Great Smoky Mountains, that's
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the first time I've ever seen it in the daytime,
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and I was absolutely shocked at how cool of a
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place that was. That's a place that that Tina and
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I are most certainly going to return to. And yeah,
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it was awesome. You can hear yell them in the
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background awesome, and it was. It was awesome. It's uh, ladies,
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And I wanted to mention this too. I know that
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as you're watching this, it's like, oh my gosh, this
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is great. I'm not really doing this live. We're not
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doing this live because it's actually Tuesday night.
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Uh.
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And the reason why is because while you're watching this
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this Friday, I'm going to be in the middle of
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my presentation at the US Marshall Museum in Fort Smith, Arkansas.
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My two hour presentation that I'm going to be giving.
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It's my encore performance in that at the US Marshall Museum,
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So hopefully people have gotten there. Tellfully, the people that
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are that are close enough, they're not watching this live
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there or watching this, they're going to be at the show.
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And I know that. I know that Phyllis and UH
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and Cheryl are going to be at the event. They're
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actually flying in from Michigan and Virginia. So that's really special.
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So I don't want to. I don't want to keep
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this guy any longer than we need to, but I'm
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gonna tell you I do want to. I do want
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to mention a few a couple of other things. One
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of the things that Danny and I did that was
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really really interesting is that both he and I we
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went to the Alcatraz East Museum. And some of the
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things that are in this museum, there's a lot of
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there's a lot of different artifacts, like John There's there's
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Ojay's bronco. That's the bronco and UH, that's pretty cool
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and that's real cool. I wish I could have went
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up there and just looked in it and checked it out.
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Maybe he got a little luminol and and sprayed it,
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resprayed it, and that's Ted Bundy's that's actually his VW,
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not not the one that he was caught in. Finally,
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this is the one that he actually did a lot
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of the abductions in Utah and Washington State area. That's
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the original one. And and as we were looking in
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one of the displays, if you could see it, Kathy
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Kleiner's book and Kathy Kleiner, who was a guest on
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this show, she was actually nearly beaten to death by
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Ted Bundy from the Kyle Mega Sorority house. We saw
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a display that had her book in it and I
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and I messaged her immediately and I was like, Hey, Kathy,
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look what I just came across. This is really cool.
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And so she's probably going to get in touch with
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him and see, you know, we messaged back and forth,
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and I think she's going to get in touch with
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him and see if maybe she can do a book
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signing there at the museum, which is pretty amazing but anyway,
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very cool. I recommended the museum. It was a lot
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of fun and I actually read a lot of the
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different things. It was. It was it was worth it
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was worth it was worth taking a look at it. Furthermore,
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if you're law enforcement, they'll give you a discount too,
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so keep that in mind. So nevertheless, this is episode
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number seventy five. We're going to bring Shane Petty on
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the show. And Shane is a legend in the Great
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State of Tennessee when it comes to the state rangers.
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Shane is currently the operations chief for Mory County Office
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of Emergency Management, where he oversees day to day operations
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for the office, as well as the search and rescue
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program and the department's canine program. From nineteen eighty nine
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to nineteen ninety three, he was a park ranger for
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Henry Horton State Park and later became the assistant chief,
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and in nineteen ninety seven he was named chief Ranger
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for all fifty six state parks, overseeing two hundred and
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fifty state park rangers and all emergency operation teams, which
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included wildlife, fire rescue, search and rescue, horse mounted and
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their canine search and rescue team until his retirement in
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twenty twenty three. And really, when I look at that,
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and I'm looking at the ears man, he became the
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chief pretty darn quick. He wasn't with him that long,
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so he turned a lot of heads and he was
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doing a great job. Chief Pitty has also been involved
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in or ran over two thousand search and rescue missions
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for lost and injured people and has captured over two
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hundred and eighty missing persons with his bloodhounds. He has
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authored two books on search and rescue, one of which
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is Lost in Hound and the other one is So
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God Made Rangers. Definitely you should check those out. And
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he belongs on several search and rescue boards in Tennessee
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and is a co founder of TSAR, which is the
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Tracking and Search and Rescue in conjunction with the Tennessee
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Law Enforcement Academy, where he has been an adject instructor
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for twenty nine years. And he's a speaker. He speaks
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all over the place. So if you're listening to this
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and you're like, hey, we need an interesting speaker, you
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might have your guy right here, both he and I
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and you could just have us both come to your conference.
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Let's bring on both. Danny Couples is joining us too,
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because Danny's a buddy. You his Thanks for being here, Danny,
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I appreciate you. Co hosting again and you know, I
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pay you big money to be here and I appreciate it.
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And let's bring on Shane. Uh, thank you for being here. Shane.
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Great to meet you in person, and thanks for being here. Man,
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it's a real honor.
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Oh, no, honor is all mine.
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Appreciate you having us and come see this in Tennessee again.
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Loved it and I'm gonna a matter of fact, my
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wife and I as we were driving back, I was like,
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you know, I could actually live in this state. Honestly,
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it's just so pretty and the people are the people
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are friendly to another level. Oklahoma, they're friendly, but there's
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a something special in your state. So but anyway, so
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tell us how how you ended up getting by the way,
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and I got to say this or I'm gonna get
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in trouble.
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Danny.
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My wife wants me to tell you hello, and tell
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Dorry hello as well. I will, all right. So, but anyway,
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we had a blast with you guys. Really, Uh, let's
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talk about how did you even get into interested in
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this career path to begin with to become a ranger.
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I'm probably Jason, I'm probably one of the most blessed
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individuals ever I met a horseman and ranger actually at
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Henry Horton. When I was about twelve years old and
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we're on a family vacation. Henry Horton has a hotel
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and so we were there on a family vacation. I
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met that horseman and ranger. Told my mom, I know
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what I'll do for the rest of my life on
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the horseman and ranger at Henry Horton. I was hired
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in nineteen eighty nine as a ranger at Henry Horton.
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That's all I did all through high school. I worked
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for city parks, starting picking up trash, anything I could
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do in a park.
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I interned during the summer in college.
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For Tennessee State Parks, and when I graduated, when it
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came my number, you know.
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We had fifty plus state parks. I go anywhere to
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get a job.
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It happened to be close to home in Henry Horton,
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and not more than a year.
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After that, I became a horseman in anger at Henry Horton.
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So fulfill my childhood dreams and goals pretty quick. Arranger
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there for a little bit, and then my boss there
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he decided he would leave and go be the chief
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ranger for the state, and he followed me or.
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Brought me with him, not because I was that smart.
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It was just I could work harder than anybody, and
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he just needed somebody that could hustle. And so right
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when we were about to get our program off the ground,
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unfortunately he contracted cancer and had a tough battle and
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lost it. And then and just like you said in
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the intro, I was too young to be I was
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probably too young to be an assistant chief, much less
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a chief to.
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Command that big of an area.
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But I took it on and worked as hard as
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I could and was able to do it for twenty
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five years. So it's not really easy to hold on
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a position at that level for twenty five years. But
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I was very, very blessed.
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Yeah, you must have had good people working for you,
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for sure. Yes, And I know that you were more
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of an operations type of achiefs, which means that at
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least I've heard you say that where you basically were
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out there, you were getting dirty right along with you
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with your people and get right alongside of them.
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Yeah.
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So just just the way I'm built, you know, still
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this day, you know, I'm operations manager here Murray County
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and just because you know, I'm still out running in
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the woods with Canaine to still this day.
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Hey, let me ask you something. You'd mentioned something about
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this program when you were in high school and growing up.
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Is that to me it sounds almost like the Explorer program?
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Is that?
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Does that still exist? And is that something like if
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you're a if somebody has kids that's watching this and
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they're they're interested in a program like that? Is that
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unique to Tennessee or is that a program that kind
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of goes on in other states as well?
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Well, it goes on in other states, So we have
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it's not a proved but it's probably about where.
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We hire about eighty five.
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Percent of our rangers. So I did it as an internship,
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so I got credit in college and got paid. So
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and it's called a seasonal interpretive ranger. So you would
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lead highs, you know, hay rides, recreational opportunities depend on
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what park you were and the amenities there, and so
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it was kind of a training ground that you'd get
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to know about the park in the park.
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Rangers, you know, do I want to do this for
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a living? You know?
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Knowing the hours that they work and the rescues or
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you know, whatever it may be. And in turn, the
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rangers got to you know, see you, and so it
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was a good training ground that they would you know,
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they could pick you out if you know, they thought, hey,
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this person will have a good ranger. And and most
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state agencies have across the country had those type book programs.
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Yeah, and I looked it up on your state website.
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And the pay is not I mean when when you
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become a ranger, it's not like it's not super low.
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I mean you could actually make a living at it.
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It's a lot better than you know, as all of us.
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But you know, when I started, you know, you didn't
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make much money, but you didn't need to. They give
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us a house and car and a horse man. What
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else did I need?
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And you're living in paradise, You're living in where everybody
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wants to go for the weekend and stuff.
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Yeah, I lived on fifteen hundred acres and I didn't
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have to pay the property tax.
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I'm mow the grass. So it was great.
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Yeah, except for you had to work every holiday and
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you're probably your most prime time to get up and
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do stuff was late in the evening and at night when.
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Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, you know and you work every weekend,
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so you know, the grass is not always a greener.
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Yeah, So as you're working there real quick and Danny,
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feel free to jump in anytime, just you know, you know,
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wink at me as you're working there and you're doing
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your thing. You know, I'm sure that, I'm sure that
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life as a ranger was pretty pretty slow during the week.
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But then when COVID hit, you know, people went nuts
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and everybody bought a freaking travel trailer to where you
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can't even get a spot in most of these places.
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It was crazy. Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was crazy.
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I mean any spot that I mean, it didn't have
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to be a park, it could be just a natural area.
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And my definition of a natural area for a quick
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is just, you.
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Know, it's a small area usually that didn't have rangers,
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so just a highking trail on the side of the road.
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It might have a parking lot that would hold fifteen
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cars and there would be one hundred cars out there.
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So we were yeah, we really had our hands fold
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during COVID.
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Hey, yeah, Jason, it's a there's a TV show out now.
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It's called Tracker.
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Have you seen it now?
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It's you need to watch it. It's it's probably the one
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of the number one show on I don't know what ABC, maybe,
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but uh, this is the second season. My point is
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every time I see that show, I think of shame.
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Have you seen it?
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Oh?
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Yeah?
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And he's always been my hero since I've heard him
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talk my whole career. And one of the one of
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the things that I remember, and I told him about
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the other day, he said, how do you remember that?
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Because it stuck with me. It was about a person
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who was lost in the mountains, I believe, and it
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was really frigid weather and it has something to do
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with fleece. And I'll let Shane tell that story for
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you if you don't mind.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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It was a young lady again the Smokies, and she
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became lost. The days she got lost in the Smokies,
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it was fourteen degrees at night, the windshield got down
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to eleven below and she actually got injured and fill
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in the creek that first night, and there is no
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way of reason that she should have been able to survive.
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And she was lost for two days, didn't find her
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for three days, and she basically what saved her life
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was she had a fleece jacket on and she kind
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of took her pulled her arms in.
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It, zipped it up, pulled it over her head, and
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just kind of huddled in it like a tent.
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And that fleece, even being wet, had the insulation capacity
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to save her life.
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Wow.
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And I was able to interview her also twenty five
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plus years later to find out about her and you know,
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if she had lost any any of her extremities, and
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they were able to do some therapy and keep all
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of her.
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Toes and feet.
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But it moved me so much that when I came
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back be in charge of the rangers, automatically their winter
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jacket became polar fleece. I mean, it moved me so
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much that it had that life saving capability.
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Yeah, you guys are required to have bachelor's degrees to
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be a ranger. And that's am I right? Yes, yes, yeah,
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And so so I'm mean that's that's saying something right there,
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because are my my police department, actually the Tulsa Police Department.
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I think we're the last one standing of municipal departments
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that that's our size to require a bachelor's degree and
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and uh my my point is is that uh, you
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know you you you have to have a tough time
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getting people wanting to do that job at this point.
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I know that I know that we do, and especially uh,
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especially with the schedule and stuff. Now, I'm sure you
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get nature lovers man that just want They just love
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the outdoors, they love fishing, they love all of it.
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You can still get a house that that's the ranger house, right,
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but they just pay a lot, They pay a lot
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less for it.
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Yeah.
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So you guys, what I'm getting at is that you
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guys are like a you're you're a police department. You
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guys are you guys are commissioned police officers through POPE,
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through POST which is the certification uh entity, and so
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are you guys? Respond. Let's just I have no doubt
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that they dump bodies with regularity in murder victims and
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stuff in state parks. You know, I'm not trying to
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advertise that, but that's that's the reality of the world.
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Is that your case or how does that all work?
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I mean, are you guys working it from the.
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It's a little bit joint jurisdiction, you know, it's kind
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of odd. You know, I hate to think about that.
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You know, when I do do a lot of talks,
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and I try to tell people, don't don't wash us out.
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But my masters, my thesis were bodies that were dunked
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in natural areas in state parks.
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And uh, it's kind of.
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Sad, but you know that that's that's kind of normal
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all across the country that people will find natural areas
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type of that that are in littal areas. But we don't,
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We certainly don't have the investigative capacity and background and training.
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So we're going to usually lean on our local sheriff
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department or here in Tennessee Tennessee Gureau of Investigation, so
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we would be heavily involved, but we're going to, you know,
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use people like you that you know, that's what you
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do every day, certainly not what we do. So we're
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going to lean on most local jurisdictions to assist us
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in those areas.
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No, I never did fulfill my promise to you years ago.
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I was going to set up a training for some
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of your staff on how to respond to bodies that's
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found in a wilderness as as a death investigators side.
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I never did get that together for so so I
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apologize for that one.
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We'll still maybe pull that together for him. Still I
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still work with those folks pretty much. You know, I'll
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always be a ranger, so I still talk to him.
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We'll get her done, all right. It sounds good.
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Yeah, that would be cool. And then the other thing
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that struck me about your state is that it takes
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or nine hours to drive from one tip of your
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state to the other. I had no idea. I know,
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I know it's a long state, but nine hours. And
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I think I heard you say something that you've driven
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like a million and a half mile over a million
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and a half miles in your car, Is that right?
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Yeah, it may be a little bit more than that.
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I kind of added up all the vehicles that I
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turned in over the years, and I think it was
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around about two million something.
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Like really, so, you know, be odd.
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I'd be at a store somewhere and somebody'd see me
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in uniform saying, now, what part do you work? And
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I'm like, it depends on where I woke up, you know,
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it's usually where the emergency was.
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But that was the excitement about the job.
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I got to see places in Tennessee, you know that
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most people just don't get to see.
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Yeah, I bet, And that I was hearing something about
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James Rolray and that's the guy that trained you, right,
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that that actually led the search to try to find
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him from Brushy Mountain. Brushy Brushy Mountain.
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Well, James Array, he was the killer of Martin Luther
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King and he's actually.
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Escaped from Brushy Mountain.
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And one of the gentlemen that took a bloodhound was
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a former FBI agent, Bob Swade was my mentor.
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Bob got me.
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My first blood in He got me in those first
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searches of the two kids and the Smokies and then
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got me my first bloodhound.
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So he got me started in that. So my mentor
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was one of the individuals that help track down James.
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All right from in Brushing Mountain, one of some of
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the cops.
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You know.
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I was out there speaking at the Tennessee Crisis Negotiator Association.
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Shout out to them, great conference. It was their second annual.
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Great people. But I was talking to some people and
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they said that Brushy Mountain that they basically and correct
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me if I'm wrong, and maybe they're maybe they're just
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telling me this, but they said, oh man, that place
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is around that prison is infested with rattlesnakes. That they
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basically imported them in there to to discourage people from
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from taking off out of that prison. Is that true.
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I don't think I would buy that they imported them
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in there. You know, that's kind of a myth in Tennessee.
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But uh, it's it's a very rugged area.
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Actually, we have a park, Frozenhead State Park that uh
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what's up to the park. So lots of times when
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the prisoners would escape from there, you know, the rangers
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have to be on you know, a pretty high.
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Lookout because they very well could end up in the
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park pretty pretty quick.
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Yeah, So tell me about a day in the life.
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What was the day in your life? Because I mean,
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what did you do? Did you just pick a pick
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a state park that you're going to go? You're gonna
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all right today, I haven't been out here to this
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one park. I'm gonna I'm gonna just take a trip.
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Well, now, you know, usually it it depended on the emergency.
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Of course, part of my job I was in training,
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so it would be training rangers, but I did all
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emergency response, so it would depend you know, and we
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had everything.
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You can imagine.
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People get in the wilderness area and just accidents happen,
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so it could be a drowning.
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It could be a wildfire.
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It could be a missing kid, missing person, anything of
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that scenario. It could be just a natural disaster, an
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ice storm, tornado, hit anything to that capacity.
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You know.
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Here just a year or so ago, we had the
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Hurricane Helen come through and hit right on the East
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Tennessee North Carolina border and it wiped out two or
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three state parks. One it just took it off the map.
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It took every structure off of it. Davy Crockett birthplace.
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They had to rebuild it from scratch. And so that
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would be what we would have done, is we would
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responded first with search and rescue and recovery and then
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having to.
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Help rebuild the community in the park itself.
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Yeah, wow, it really was.
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It was whatever park that I, you know, ended up in.
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Of course, I was over a horse man of patrol.
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So we would do a lot of big events, you know,
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whether it was Fourth of July, you know, any big
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event may be or governor inauguration, especial events that I
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spent a lot of a lot of miles with pulling
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the horse trading.
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Yeah, do you get to know the governor pretty well?
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Is that one of those deals that you're.
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Yeah, yeah, you get to meet them. Yeah, I've worked
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in my tenure. I think I worked nine different governor inaugurations,
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and so.
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You get to meet them in you know, special details.
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So I've got to you know, get backstage, so to speak,
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and meet most of them, get your picture taken with them.
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So that's that was always a great honor.
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Probably a president here and there that just maybe.
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Yeah, well I didn't get to. I tried pulled some
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strings to go.
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When I was at the FBI Academy and I wanted
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to ride a horse on the grounds of the White House.
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I had done some training for the US Park Police,
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and they said, you come, We'll let you ride all
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over the White House. And when I came there, it
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was two weeks after nine to eleven, and yeah, they said,
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Shange is not going to happen. But they pulled some
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strings and they let me get on the grounds. And
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I'd always heard there, you know, there were SWAT guys
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in black uniforms on top of the White House. And
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when I walked out there and got on that horse,
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those guys to notice of me, so they knew I.
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Was not supposed to be there, and I was not
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supposed to be on that horse, because I was. Yes,
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I thought I had lived my last day that day.
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But oh my gosh, yes, because I asked.
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The park place, I said, what are those guys doing?
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He said, they're pointing guns at you right now because
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you're not in a park uniform.
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Oh my goodness.
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I got on the house and got off before they
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even took a picture. I said, I don't need a picture.
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I experienced it. I want my life.
489
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.480
Yeah, right, I got that. That's a story in and
490
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:49.039
of itself.
491
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.839
Man, it was. It was cool.
492
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:54.640
Yeah, all right. So I had asked you off there,
493
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.960
what's what's a you know, what's a case or two
494
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:02.559
that to you? You know, your dog had actually found
495
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.640
what two hundred and fifty something people missing persons?
496
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.400
Well, you know, it's kind of the first two searches
497
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.319
I went on. I said, it was in the Smoky
498
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.960
Mountains for our couple of lost kids. And coming off
499
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.279
of those two searches, what got me the first individual
500
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.400
young boy.
501
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:25.960
Unfortunately, he fell off about one hundred foot cliff and
502
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.599
the Smokies and to his death.
503
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.720
And then about eight months later we were back up
504
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.880
in the Smoky's looking for a nine year old that
505
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.640
was lost in the Cleveland Stone area and we found
506
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.319
him alive after five days.
507
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.839
And both of those cases it moved.
508
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.559
Me, not the search, but to have to look at
509
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.240
the parents when you come out of the woods every
510
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.279
day and you look at a mom's face that they're
511
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.559
just you know, they're hanging on anything that you may
512
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.240
have found a footprint, a thread of their clothing, and
513
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:56.319
when you hadn't.
514
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.680
I mean, it really pushes you to do something more.
515
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.440
And so that pushed me to do canine, and so
516
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.720
I started a canine program with state parks. And what
517
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.160
got me into a.
518
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.440
Very interesting career is I.
519
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.519
Would be asked by local law enforcement agencies to come
520
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.400
a system with missing.
521
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.880
Persons and then it would be criminals.
522
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.640
So most of my cases are almost about ninety five
523
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:28.400
percent criminal.
524
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:30.359
That's not the way I designed it.
525
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.759
But most agencies can't don't really need a bloodhound.
526
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:35.880
They don't maybe need.
527
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.480
Them once or twice a year, and so it's not
528
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.319
really feasible for them to have them. And at that time,
529
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.519
I was kind of the only bloodhound around in Middle Tennessee,
530
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.000
and people knew who I was, and I got a
531
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.119
lot of calls and would make a lot of fines,
532
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.440
and every time you make a fine, your name would
533
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.680
get out there. But that only meant it gets you
534
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.240
called out in the middle of the night. You know,
535
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.400
twice as much or four times as much.
536
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.000
So I've done.
537
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.079
They had a lot of big lobbraries and a lot
538
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.880
of home sides with my canines.
539
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.440
Yeah, and by the way, just to the listeners, the
540
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:12.079
most dangerous job of any police department or for a
541
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.119
cop is canine because they're they're chasing after the worst
542
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.079
of the worst. And did you ever have any close
543
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:20.240
calls with respect to that?
544
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:22.759
About three days.
545
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.759
Ago, well now Friday night, as a matter of fact,
546
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.759
I got called to a neighboring county for an aug
547
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.720
robery suspect.
548
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.160
And we got out there and suspect had been was
549
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.799
for about four hours. They didn't have a canine available
550
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.839
and took him a little while before they got me.
551
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.319
And it was still about an hour and a half
552
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.759
for me to drive there, and I was very proud
553
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.359
of my canine.
554
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:45.720
I was there about twenty minutes the.
555
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.319
Dog had we had him, but unfortunately, you know, it
556
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.880
was dark and we're not gonna use We're not gonna
557
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.240
use flashlights if we can, because that puts you as
558
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.640
a target and I'm just trying to read the the
559
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.440
best I can, and I knew we were getting close,
560
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.720
and so I stopped real quick and put my lights up,
561
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:09.759
and the guy was about twelve feet in front of
562
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:10.200
me with us.
563
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.480
Oh my gosh, it was you know, as you said,
564
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.000
it is.
565
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.599
It's a pretty dangerous job. But the locals did a
566
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:19.400
great job.
567
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.000
Of getting a good perimeter keeping the individual there and
568
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.960
we had a good negotiating with us when we were
569
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.519
able to talk him down and everybody was safe and
570
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.319
we got him some help and all was good.
571
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.599
I've always heard just been a ranger is one of
572
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.720
the most dangerous jobs as well. You're out in the
573
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.519
woods by yourself and you come up with a maybe
574
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.799
a hunter or something and it's just you and him.
575
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.440
Yeah, rangers and widlife officers, you know, wildlife officers usually
576
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.640
out there by themselves, and everybody there going after is
577
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.400
you know, during hunting season's got a gun, so it
578
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:55.880
is very dangerous for them.
579
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:01.759
So yeah, not to mention bears, you know what, sane.
580
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.240
I had no idea that that's a bear that I
581
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.759
took a picture of next to the road. And that
582
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.359
was up there about a mile outside of Gatlinburg, and
583
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.359
that Ogles cabin. You probably have seen it. And I'll
584
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.559
tell you what, man, there was bears running in and
585
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.480
out of the town. Not running, man, they were just
586
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.480
chilling and walking into town and walking right by the
587
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.559
bar and wherever. I was like, holy cow, man, these
588
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:27.920
things are ever. As a matter of fact, on that
589
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.400
I took a video of that bear right there, and
590
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.119
then I happened to I happened to watch that video
591
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.480
a little bit more and there's two more bears up
592
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.759
on the top of the hill that I never even noticed.
593
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.400
And so I mean, that's got to be something that
594
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.519
you run across those things all the time.
595
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.519
It's kind of interesting. I just shared a post on
596
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.200
my Facebook side just about an hour ago. I think
597
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.720
it was the Tennessee Law Enforcement Training Officer that we're
598
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:56.160
having a conference right now in Gatlinburg and tw a
599
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.920
officer a friend of mine, was up there and somebody
600
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.000
took a picture in the bear. Proud opened his tailgate
601
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.440
to get to get some bubblegum I thing out of
602
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.559
the back of the truck. It could smell, so you know,
603
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.599
it had a it had a bear actually attacking the
604
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.519
wildlife officer checking maybe it was checking his license.
605
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.839
I don't know. Smoky the bears yes is yeah.
606
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.240
Well I'll tell you what, man. When I went when
607
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.079
I went into the hotel there in Gatlinburg, they just said, hey,
608
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.799
make sure that your windows are up and make sure
609
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:25.720
that there's no food in the car. And you know,
610
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.039
I'm waiting. I'm I'm thinking, what you have like a
611
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.640
burglary from vehicle problem here, or you have like a
612
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.079
significant homeless population they're gonna rip my window open and
613
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.039
and they're like and I'm like and I'm just kind
614
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.519
of I'm like, what what, what's the deal?
615
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:37.720
You know?
616
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.480
And they're like, oh, because of the bear. And I'm like,
617
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.079
what the what? I didn't didn't even dawn on me.
618
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:43.839
And they said the bear. They said, oh, yeah, they
619
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.119
come into the lobby sometimes and I'm like, are you
620
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:46.759
kidding me?
621
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:47.319
Sure?
622
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.559
And I couldn't believe it, man, I And there was
623
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.119
probably gosh, there was four or five sidings there in town.
624
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.559
Plus they said, now's the time that they're really uh,
625
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.799
they're more dangerous now because they're they're scavenging for food
626
00:30:58.839 --> 00:30:59.720
before they hibernate.
627
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:01.880
I guess, yeah, welcome to Tennessee.
628
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.039
They're getting closer to where you know, we live in
629
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.039
Middle Tennessee and you know how far that is, Jason.
630
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.440
You had to drive.
631
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.799
Yeah, therefore, but they're migrating in this area.
632
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.599
That rite Shane. I know.
633
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:20.160
I've read a story on the news actually a few
634
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.039
months ago where a bear was hit by a car here.
635
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.440
Yeah, Overn Ruther for county. Yeah, just one county over. Yeah, yeah,
636
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.200
sure was. So we've got they're heading this way.
637
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.960
So what's the deal with them? Are they pretty much?
638
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.400
I mean, if you know what to do, I guess.
639
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.960
I mean, have you ever I'm sure you've. I'm sure
640
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.720
you've ran across people that have been killed by him.
641
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.200
That's just one of.
642
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.880
My mentors worked a Richard Taylor.
643
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.599
He taught me how to work a bloodhound uh and
644
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.440
and do search and rescue. And he did work one
645
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.599
bear attack of a young girl, uh and it was
646
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.359
a fatality.
647
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.480
And you know, most of the time you're not going
648
00:31:58.519 --> 00:31:59.559
to run into an issue.
649
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.759
But girl, you know, got in between the mom and
650
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.839
the cub and the animal was just doing naturally what
651
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.279
their parent would do, and she was just at the
652
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.759
wrong place at the wrong time.
653
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.640
But most of the time they're going to take off running.
654
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.880
But you know, if you get up in Gattenburg, they
655
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.720
get pretty used to people because they know. And that's
656
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.880
why they tell you don't feed animals, you know, because
657
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.359
they're going to.
658
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.799
Get too used to you and get into depended on you.
659
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.359
Yeah. Yeah, interesting. All right, So you did a couple
660
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.720
of other things that I think are really fun and neat,
661
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:32.039
and one of which is you kind of you kind
662
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.119
of got together. You got together a lot of these
663
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.960
artifacts and stuff, and you created a museum so to speak.
664
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:38.559
Am I right?
665
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.119
Yeah, yeah, we're able to create it. You know, there's
666
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.759
a fine line between.
667
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.160
Historical interpretive protection and hoarding, and I was kind of
668
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.359
more of the hoarding side, but being the chief for
669
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.359
so long, I just you know, I love be interviewing
670
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.240
some of the old rangers, and I collected is any
671
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.119
old uniforms that I could over the years, old saddles,
672
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.599
old first aid kids.
673
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.400
Old you know. I had a example of every revolver
674
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:10.440
and pistol.
675
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.559
That we we carried over the years, and of course
676
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.599
photos and things like that, and so we were able
677
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.640
to put it into a museum. Unfortunately, with growing pains,
678
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.920
we've had to do some rebuilding, so we had to
679
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.400
pack everything up. But we packed it up, we inventoried it.
680
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.200
We hoped to take it on the road to East Tennessee,
681
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.079
maybe to some museums here in the next year or so.
682
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.880
And then the administration has told me they are looking to.
683
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.000
Find a permanent home for it, so we hope to
684
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.720
find a good part for it. And it's pretty cool
685
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.480
because I know there's a National Park Ranger Museum, but
686
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.839
I don't know of another State Park Ranger museum, So.
687
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.720
It's pretty cool. And it was in the.
688
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.519
Chief Rangers Office, so it was a good way for
689
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.759
new rangers to come in kind of know their history,
690
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.920
know where we came from. And I would make them write,
691
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.079
you know, you know right me a article own and
692
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.519
I'd give them, you know, Jason White, and I make
693
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.759
them go research who he was, how he got started,
694
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.039
what park he worked at, and tell me something about him,
695
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.639
because you know, I think you need to know your history.
696
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.199
You need to be able to tell your story, and
697
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.960
you can't tell it without knowing the history of your agency.
698
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.480
Yeah, and then you did something else that I thought
699
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:26.880
was pretty pretty uh brilliant actually, And that's the alumni
700
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.760
to where you have a get together once a year
701
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.119
at the end of July for all all staff. That
702
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.360
could be somebody that cleans rooms at the hotel, at
703
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.880
the park, all the way up to you or other leaders.
704
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.199
Man revolted, Yeah, you.
705
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.199
Did your homework, didn't you. Man, I give your credit.
706
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.079
But yeah, we started that several years ago, and you know,
707
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.000
I found out it was you know, I called her
708
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.079
when I first started it.
709
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.280
I called a ranger that had retired about three years
710
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.679
ago or three years to that.
711
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.280
And he started crying and he said, y'all forgot about me.
712
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.599
You know, I spent forty years doing this job and
713
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.679
I left and nobody called me. And it got me
714
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.800
to thinking, and I said, well, you know, it's not
715
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.679
that we didn't call it. We just got busy doing
716
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.079
the job. But shame on us. And it taught me
717
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.400
that you get in a job that all of us
718
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.119
are in, you live it, your family lives it, and
719
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.920
especially when you're a park family, because you live on
720
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.519
the park and you know, they end up dealing with
721
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:34.000
as many campers as as the rangers do sometimes so
722
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.440
it and then I spent so much time in all
723
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.360
the parks I would I would stay in their houses.
724
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.719
I'd be at their house on Fourth of July because
725
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.480
I was working a park lots of times more than
726
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.880
I would be mine. So it was, you know, it
727
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.480
became a good family. So we get together, we do
728
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.719
at the end of July because that's right around World
729
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.960
Ranger Day, and we celebrate World Ranger Day. But it's
730
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.280
not just for rangers, as you said, it can be somebody,
731
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.559
you know, when the maintenance guys that worked at the park,
732
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.559
one of administrative persons in in the office, or somebody
733
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.760
to clean the bathrooms at the Piking shelter in the hotel,
734
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.440
and we're all a family. We come and get together
735
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.480
and tell stores and show photos and uh uh you know,
736
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.719
do a little more moral video of you know, folks
737
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.639
that have passed on and just try again try to
738
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.159
uh protect the legacy of our history of our park system.
739
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.639
Yeah, it's it's well, it's just like what a copp
740
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.039
retires from a police department. It's like their identity has
741
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:33.119
just been stripped.
742
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.800
From absolutely absolutely and.
743
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.760
You got to be careful about that too, because these guys,
744
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.119
you know, they that's their whole family, and and once
745
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.320
they're out, they're out. And yeah, and and that's that's uh,
746
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.440
I think that's brilliant that you put that together. Actually,
747
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.840
where is the National Ranger Museum at I.
748
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.880
Believe it's in Yellstone?
749
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.519
Oh okay, nice if.
750
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.360
I if I remember Qutically, I believe it is. And
751
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.679
you know, something that we're we're we're hoping to do
752
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.280
is we're going to take uh well, we've already started
753
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.039
doing a couple of them. We're taking our alumni and
754
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.800
putting them back out in the parks, you know, leading
755
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.639
some hikes, you know, taking the ones.
756
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.159
That you know, their strong suits, what they were able
757
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:10.480
to do.
758
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.280
And I'll probably end up doing some search and rescue
759
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.519
or caneine stuff, you know, demonstrations for groups and same
760
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.840
thing I'll do with kids, educate older folks that are
761
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:19.920
out there hiking.
762
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.239
And things and the dangers. So you know, I get to.
763
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.440
Be a ranger for an hour or so. And so
764
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.480
we still try to get the alumni out there, and
765
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.559
you know, we put a lot of money into them,
766
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.239
we might as well get something back out of them.
767
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.960
Yeah, that is that near Old Faithful. It's where that
768
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.159
park where that ranger.
769
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.639
You know, I'm not positive, Danny, I apologize, but I
770
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.760
think I think Yellowstone was it.
771
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:47.920
Yeah, I was out there this past I remember seeing.
772
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.280
I think, yeah, I think you're right.
773
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.880
Yeah, yeah, Danny.
774
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.079
Uh.
775
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.800
That light bulb that you're you're involved with, it's the
776
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.719
locator nine one one. Am I am I saying that correctly?
777
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.440
You had this first time? Yes, it is the OKA for.
778
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.239
The first for the first time, for the first time,
779
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:10.360
I got it right, Yeah, located nine one. That's Amanda, Lady, Well,
780
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.679
ladies and gentlemen. Uh, if you're looking for a gift
781
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.679
for your for your loved one, to make sure that
782
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.199
they are taking care of and that that emergency personnel
783
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.880
if they happen to have a medical condition or something
784
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.280
along those lines. Uh, we're taking a pause for a
785
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.760
little commercial break here. If you, if you, if you,
786
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:28.280
I don't know that you could buy a better gift.
787
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:28.719
Uh.
788
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.239
This gift is something that could save their life, and
789
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.280
it's something that leads the E M S crews straight
790
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.960
to their house and and believe me, in the in
791
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.440
a rule setting for sure.
792
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:39.400
Uh.
793
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.519
And they're they're working on a lot of amazing products
794
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.039
that I can't even mention right now, but they're right
795
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.800
around the corner Amanda show up that little that quick
796
00:38:45.840 --> 00:39:02.920
little video. So go out by several of them. Uh
797
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.440
they they they And by the way, Danny, while I
798
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.679
was with Danny and we were walking around this Christmas store,
799
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.519
I don't know what the heck it's called, but I
800
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:11.880
don't know how the heck I managed to get out
801
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.000
of there without spending a dime. But but in this store, uh,
802
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.320
Danny sitting there checking his phone. He goes, yeah, we
803
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.599
just sold one hundred and so he gets he he
804
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:25.039
sees every single one that that gets sold. So it's
805
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.840
a big deal. Any comments, Danny, Any.
806
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.159
We get alerts when that doesn't happen very often, but
807
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.519
what it does is pretty exciting.
808
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:36.599
But it is.
809
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.559
It's you know, you said, it's not only for emsses,
810
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.280
for law enforcement, fire departments or anybody responding to a
811
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.559
to a call. And both of you know how hard
812
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.519
it is to find a house, especially at night. So
813
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.239
from our experience, we need this, and it is it's
814
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:57.719
a gift that can keep on giving.
815
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.599
Yeah, not only that, but they've got a lot of
816
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.199
other things. It would help if you happen to get
817
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.440
lost in the woods too. So all of this stuff
818
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.239
is coming very shortly, and I'll tell you something, Shane.
819
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.960
Did you guys you know right now with with the
820
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.719
the drones and stuff and how they're being utilized, I
821
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.719
am sure that that you know, we've looked for bodies
822
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.679
that are in the in in our role area, like
823
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.800
out in the woods and stuff. Man, it's tough. It
824
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.239
is tough to find somebody. But the drone technology is
825
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.960
getting better and better. I'm sure that that's something. Is
826
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.239
that something that the Park Services is starting to look
827
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.000
at to help the search.
828
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.239
Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty much standard, you know, for
829
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.519
for years and years and.
830
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.360
We still do. We used uh lean heavily on L.
831
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.320
Tensey Howard Patrol in their aviation unit, but you know,
832
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.920
it takes a while in that up and uh it's
833
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.360
a lot quicker and easier to get drones out there.
834
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.239
So the park system has some, but usually we just.
835
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.559
Uh would lean on our local agencies that would have
836
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.199
them and uh they could be there in just a few.
837
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.119
Minutes and put drones up.
838
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.079
And you know that law enforcement armed robbery that I
839
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.920
worked this week, I think they had about six drones
840
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.199
up while I was out there looking for this individual.
841
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.920
So we had six drones up and the helicopter all
842
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.440
at once.
843
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.840
Yeah, when I think of this bloodhound dog, you know,
844
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.800
we deal with German shepherds and I think they're malamets
845
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.679
or something. I don't know, but they But that's the
846
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.679
types of dogs we use. And I and when I
847
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.400
think of bloodhounds, we're you know, I'm thinking like cool
848
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.079
hand Luke, you know where he's escaping and running off
849
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.559
in the woods. Are the bloodhounds? Is their sense of
850
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:40.519
smell like exponentially greater than like a German shepherd?
851
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.800
Well, you're gonna get me in a big trouble because
852
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.719
you can put one hundred of us in their dog
853
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:53.280
canine handlers and you know we're all gonna brag on
854
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:58.039
our dogs. So every dog has their ability. I just
855
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.360
did my research. I felt the bloodhonds work.
856
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.000
You know, my might drop is I say, well, I
857
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:04.639
had found two.
858
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.280
Hundred and eighty seven individuals in my career that the
859
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.079
dog actually found them. So somebody would have to come
860
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.440
up with more numbers than that to convince me that
861
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.639
another dog is better. Now, I've done it for about
862
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.440
thirty three years, so I should have you know, a
863
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.239
good number of fines. But they just have a great
864
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.039
ability to discriminate. In other words, give them a sent
865
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.320
article of one individual and or I'll give you that analogy.
866
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.239
Gentlemen that trained me. He said, Look, have somebody lay
867
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.679
a trail on a golf course early in the morning.
868
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.440
Let people play on it all day long, come back
869
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.599
that evening, give the dog a scent article. Let them
870
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:47.320
try to find the individual. If that dog can do that, then.
871
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.840
You've got a really really good, certifiable dog. And that's
872
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.920
that's tough to do, to have that much contamination. But
873
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:57.400
you know, if you think about it, you go into
874
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.039
a scene.
875
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.119
You know, in law enforcem asked me to trail somebody
876
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.559
that went into a house and committed a homicide ran
877
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.679
out back, and if fifteen law enforcement or MS people
878
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.599
have been in and out, they're sin everywhere. So I
879
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.719
wanting to ask that dog to find that one individual
880
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.960
instead of everybody else has been through there, and that
881
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.199
that takes a lot of training to put that dog
882
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:21.639
into it.
883
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.519
I feel the.
884
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.519
Bloodhound does that the best. But you know, that's that's
885
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.239
just my area. The dog I saw Coophane Luke and
886
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.920
I loved the dog too, So that's that's where.
887
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.920
I went with it can they?
888
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:35.519
I think you may have told me this or I
889
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.480
heard somewhere that if it's early enough, the dog can
890
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.760
actually tell I get they got in a car, which
891
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.199
direction they may have went. Is that true?
892
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:51.480
Yeah, you know, they they can. I mean, I don't
893
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.960
know that I've had a dog that was that good. Now.
894
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.840
I ran a trail about two weeks ago of a
895
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.159
missing child or a teenager, and I trailed her from
896
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.559
her house and the dog got to end of the
897
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.599
neighbor's driveway and stopped, and they said, what happened? I said,
898
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.480
she got in a car right here? The dog went
899
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.639
out trailer further. I couldn't come up with a direction,
900
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.800
but that dog stopped and said, okay, the trail ended here,
901
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.840
and it wasn't a bout an hour later they found
902
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.320
out that, yeah, her boyfriend had come and picked her up.
903
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.480
So you know it, at least it told us that
904
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.840
she wasn't out in the woods, that she she was
905
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.039
mobile and she was okay.
906
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.159
Is there a difference between like a cadiver dog and
907
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:34.440
a bloodhound, I mean, is it? I know they got
908
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.599
to be trained differently, but.
909
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:36.960
Yeah, they're trained different.
910
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.639
But I've got a lot of good friends that use
911
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.440
bloodhounds as cadavers human remains detection dog. So yeah, you
912
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.679
know you they have that great smell.
913
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.119
So okay, And that brings me to a point I
914
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.159
want to ask about real quick because I've been I've
915
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.039
been in a homicide for sixteen and a half years
916
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.519
and I have dealt with this since i've been in there,
917
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.119
and that's I hear it all the time. I'm usually
918
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:04.800
from younger detectives and they're like, yeah, that's witchcraft. Those
919
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.719
cadaver dogs don't work. And my my opinion to that is, oh,
920
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.280
yes they do. That's why they've been around for decades.
921
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.920
And what what is the what is your opinion of
922
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.000
cadaver dogs?
923
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:18.679
It?
924
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.920
Yes, they work.
925
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.719
I saw a dog, a good friend of mine, one
926
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.960
of my mentors. Uh, I saw his dog find a
927
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.400
indicator on the body about thirty five feet down, and
928
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.280
you know, I wouldn't have believe it until divers went
929
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.559
down and brought this young kid up, and that sold
930
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.639
me rapped in in there.
931
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.079
Uh wait a second, Wait a second, you mean divers.
932
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.639
Yeah, you know, the dog would indicate that the body
933
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.880
was the gases were coming up, and the dog would
934
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.679
bark indicate Hey, there's a body down there. And so
935
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.559
then we were bringing divers to go in and dive
936
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.159
down and find the body.
937
00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.320
Wow.
938
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:00.920
Wow, did you do you ever have any luck with
939
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.519
like buried bodies out there? And so forth as well?
940
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.559
Well, you know, my job when we were talking about
941
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:13.199
Hurricane Helene, my job became in Tennessee because I've worked
942
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.639
so closely for so many years from the Tennessee Emergency
943
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:16.519
Management Agency.
944
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.400
I had the Department of Health and the Department of.
945
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.159
Safety, the Highway Patrol calling me saying, Shane, get us
946
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.679
cadaver dogs. So I sent probably dozens of cadaver doogs
947
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.920
toward HRD dogs to Helene, and then a lot of them.
948
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.239
I've got some really good friends that are really good
949
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.280
dogs out of with the Task Force one out of Memphis,
950
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.199
and they went to Texas and to Helene. So they
951
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.960
wouldn't you know, they do a lot of training. I mean,
952
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.400
it is very regulous, and the certification is really really tough,
953
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:50.760
and so.
954
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.639
You know, they just have a great ability. They're just
955
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.000
a tool in the toolbox, just like everything we use.
956
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.599
You can take them out there and find you know,
957
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.840
on this case, you know, they didn't they didn't solve
958
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.320
the case.
959
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.760
But just the other night, with six drones and.
960
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.480
A ten million dollar helicopter in the air, you know,
961
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.800
they didn't find the guy, but the canine did.
962
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.000
So it was just his night. You know. We were
963
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.840
just at the right place at the right time, had
964
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.639
the right training, and we're able to locate the suspect.
965
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.360
So you just use the try to use every two
966
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.599
in the two box, whether it's a drone, helicopter, whatever
967
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.320
it may be, blood spatter, fingerprints, to try to use
968
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:34.719
them all.
969
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.800
Uh, in that investigation to find that missing person.
970
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.480
Yeah, and did you ever have any close calls with snakes?
971
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.159
I never did. Uh, I've about had a dog bit before.
972
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.480
I never have, but a couple of my good friends
973
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.079
have just here recently over the summer.
974
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.119
A good friend of mine had one bit.
975
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.039
You know, because your dog's out in front going and
976
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:58.960
you're you're you're rusting through.
977
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.639
Just very rugged area.
978
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.639
So yeah, it's it's very common. I've been very lucky
979
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.400
and very blessed. Probably I've been close to it. I
980
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.760
just didn't know it, and I'd rather than yeah about it.
981
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.119
Yeah, because I could think that after the dog gets
982
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.119
through there, Now the rattlesnake is awake. Yeah, and then
983
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:16.480
you come up on them, you know what I mean.
984
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.840
I've heard the analogy, you know, by the second person
985
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:19.920
coming through as all.
986
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.960
Being the first and in the handler. Yeah, sure that's true.
987
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:24.880
But I've been blessed.
988
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.159
We're going to get to your books here in a minute.
989
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.559
But I'm curious as too. I'm just fascinated with this
990
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.519
because I've never talked to a park ranger, uh in
991
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.960
depth like this, and this is interesting to me. So
992
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.119
what are you looking for? What are what are kind
993
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.639
of the characteristics of an applicant that you really look
994
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.599
for that just kind of that kind of interest you
995
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.400
in that person. What are you looking for?
996
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.360
Well, you've got to have that that love of the
997
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.800
out of doors. You've got to have that love of people,
998
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.840
because we're really you know, law enforcement is a very
999
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:57.239
small percentage.
1000
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:57.480
Of what we do.
1001
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.679
It is more education of pub You want to educate
1002
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.960
them about the floor in fauna of a park.
1003
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.119
But you also have to run different operations.
1004
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.599
Whether you know a camp you've got people coming camping,
1005
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.199
You've got hiking trails. So those hiking trails are usually
1006
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.519
built by the park rangers. They're maintained by the park rangers.
1007
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:22.480
They're reblazed by the park rangers, and when somebody gets
1008
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.159
lost on them, it's that park ranger that has to
1009
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:25.159
go out there and do them.
1010
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:26.000
You know.
1011
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.719
Danny being a paramedic, you know, we would call them
1012
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.000
to come assist us.
1013
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.599
But Danny's like, I don't want to go eight miles
1014
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.679
out on that trail.
1015
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.559
You know, if I don't have to, I want to know,
1016
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.280
you know, you go get the individual that's injured and
1017
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.079
bring them to us. So with that being said, that's
1018
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:43.880
why we have to do a lot of search and rescue.
1019
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.000
You have to find, you have to search for the person,
1020
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.599
then you have to rescue them, you have to treat them.
1021
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.360
So Danny and I we got to know each other
1022
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.519
because I went to MT School. So many of our
1023
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.440
rangers they're either mrs or a lot of them are EMTs,
1024
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.000
and we have several that are paramedics just because of
1025
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.800
we have you know, we have an individual have a
1026
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.599
heart attack eight miles out on a trail. Uh, you know,
1027
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.719
that can be a very serious because you know, we're
1028
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.000
going to be limited on how much oxygen we can
1029
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.079
give them because of.
1030
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.119
The supply that we can take with us.
1031
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.280
Yeah, that's funny.
1032
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.800
On that show I was talking to you about Tracker.
1033
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.760
Last night's episode was a guy just like that. It
1034
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.440
was way in the mountains. He had fallen and hurt
1035
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.199
his head, and the ranger that was there, they were
1036
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.360
capable to the heather kid. You know, they jump back
1037
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.679
and take care because just those two two guys out
1038
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.000
there and he was able to do it. Today, that's
1039
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.400
not a required training for new rangers. Are new park
1040
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.400
person well yeah, you.
1041
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.000
Know, one of their first requirements is go to the
1042
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.480
police academy and then next one would be go to
1043
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.400
medical school, and then then we would start parting them
1044
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.760
in the and rescue end of it. And that depends
1045
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.880
on what park they are. You know, if they're at
1046
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:08.480
a they used park that's a historical interpretive park, they
1047
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.559
may not go through that training if they didn't need
1048
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.000
it for that part, but they also would be on
1049
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.199
our special ranger response classes or teams, and so we'd
1050
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:22.400
still put them through those classes. We did a lot
1051
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.760
of helicopter horse with since Iway patrol, so instead of
1052
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.079
having to carry somebody ten or twelve miles in a
1053
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.559
stretcher that would take a long time. We'd call in
1054
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.920
aviation and they would be able to hoist them out
1055
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.880
in a lot quicker time to really save somebody's life.
1056
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:39.480
Yeah, do you guys kind of keep a pretty good
1057
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.599
eye on how many people are going into that point?
1058
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:46.199
I mean, you can't monitor everybody, but yes, I guess
1059
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.360
you look for cars. I guess you look for cars
1060
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.719
that are that are sitting out there at two o'clock
1061
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.280
in the morning and there's nobody around, and you're like, oh,
1062
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.679
that's not good. You know one of those deals.
1063
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.719
Well, the last search that I did is chief Ranger
1064
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.000
was eight parks, and that's how they all start. You know,
1065
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.159
the rangers getting ready to leave. They're gonna go shut
1066
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.239
the gate. It was wintertime. It was February twenty third.
1067
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.360
I believe ranger walks out and sees that one car
1068
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.719
in the parking lot and said, oh man, and so
1069
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.480
you know, you have to make the determination is this
1070
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.559
a lost hiker or is it somebody that is what
1071
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:22.960
we call ro ow are they in the rest of
1072
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.599
the world. Did they just park there, jump in with
1073
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.000
a buddy and go eat and said I'll come back
1074
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:29.000
and get the car later on.
1075
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.280
Happens every day. Yeah, But my.
1076
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.599
Last sever that's what I went on or went off
1077
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.079
with their girlfriend that the wife didn't know about.
1078
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.280
Well that that has happened on a time or two.
1079
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.880
So they really get a good scolding when they come back,
1080
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:44.840
you know, they come back in the.
1081
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.360
Gates loot and so well, let's just call your wife
1082
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.000
down here to come pick you up. Yeah.
1083
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:53.199
I got a little quick story, Jason. I don't know
1084
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.440
a few years ago. It's probably been about five years.
1085
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.000
I guess. I was over in West Tennessee. Like you said,
1086
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.840
Tennessee is a big state, So Weston said, it's another
1087
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.400
two hours from here. I had met a buddy of
1088
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.760
mine then we're going to go to a casino in uh, Mississippi,
1089
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.119
and we decided to do it back then, and I thought,
1090
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.480
where can I park my car? There's a state park here.
1091
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.000
I wonder who I could call. So I called my
1092
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.440
buddy up and uh, I'll tell you what, Shane. And
1093
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.800
when I went in there, I parked my car and
1094
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:31.039
I went into the the park office and uh, and
1095
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.920
I said hey, Uh he said, okay, I had a
1096
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:38.400
friend of my call Shane or are you Danny, Yes, yes,
1097
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.239
just park it right over here and we'll we'll watch
1098
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.800
it all night and I did.
1099
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.280
Now everybody can do.
1100
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.760
That, so I felt pretty pretty high that I knew
1101
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.119
somebody really important.
1102
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.519
Well, yeah, that didn't take a lot of effort. But
1103
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.559
now Danny Fleming are friend paramedic. He called me the
1104
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.840
middle of the night because he took a scouting room
1105
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.079
to a park and didn't realize they closed the gate
1106
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.719
a dark and it was about eleven o'clock at nine.
1107
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.320
He's like, do you know anybody at this par Well,
1108
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.440
of course I know everybody, but I have to wake
1109
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.639
somebody up. But for Danny, I woke them up and
1110
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.960
they opened the gate for him. So we are going to.
1111
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.960
Get to your books, but I want to ask you
1112
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.679
one one thing before we get to there. And I
1113
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.719
talked to you a little bit off air. Out of
1114
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.559
all these rescues you've you've been involved in, you know,
1115
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.559
and I know that the first couple that that was
1116
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.920
kind of it got you really really interested in that
1117
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.760
aspect of your job of the rescue. And I'm sure
1118
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.119
that's well, I mean, you're probably it's a it's an
1119
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.480
adrenaline thing, man, it's a big deal and et cetera.
1120
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.719
But but uh, what are is there a career case
1121
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.800
or two that really stands out to you of over
1122
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.159
all of the years that you did this, that were
1123
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.559
just an amazing story that that just stands out from
1124
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:50.360
the others.
1125
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.159
Well, you know, I've got a couple, and one of
1126
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:54.559
them was a young lady that.
1127
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.480
Was rock climbing with her brother in Fall Creek Falls.
1128
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.679
I think it was her twenty f her birthday, and
1129
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.000
she was about ten feet up.
1130
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.639
Well, they had gone down into a very rugged gorge
1131
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:11.519
area a few miles down stream and just very rugged area,
1132
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.360
and she was about ten feet up in the air
1133
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.400
and climbing on a boater, and the boater just pulled loose.
1134
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.079
It was about two hundred, two hundred and twenty five
1135
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.239
pounds and it fell in her lap and about ninety
1136
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:27.559
eighty five percent amputated her leg, and her brother had
1137
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.360
Her brother actually took his clothes off and made a
1138
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:32.039
splint or.
1139
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.639
Mate, took some sticks.
1140
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.280
And tried to make, you know, the best kind of
1141
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:44.320
splint that he could and banger up, you know, as
1142
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.800
well as he could with his clothes, ran out back
1143
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.320
out to the road to get help, and then ran
1144
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.039
back to her. I was able to I was I
1145
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.880
actually happened to be in that park because there was
1146
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.960
a big festival that day, and I rode my horse out.
1147
00:55:58.400 --> 00:55:59.360
I was about one hundred and.
1148
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.280
Fifty feet up of them in the gorge, and I
1149
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.599
was able to stop my horse and I would look down,
1150
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.519
but I had just I was right in the middle
1151
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.079
of Mt School. I had just been through Mountain Rescue.
1152
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.440
So I grabbed my MT bag, I grabbed my two
1153
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.719
hundred foot rope and a repelling harness. I tied my
1154
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.119
horse to a tree a repell down, got to her,
1155
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:22.199
assess her, caught a lot of the rangers, and.
1156
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.920
You know, packed as much dressing in as I could
1157
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:25.480
with her.
1158
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:30.800
I actually basically held her exposed for moral artery for
1159
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.000
about the next two hours to get her out.
1160
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.840
And it was just the most rugged stuff that we
1161
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.880
had gotten out. You know.
1162
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.960
I stopped the rescue team a couple times because I
1163
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:42.679
thought she had died. I mean, I couldn't get a
1164
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.960
pulse and I couldn't get a heartbeat, and every time
1165
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.480
I would get ready to do CPR, she'd open her
1166
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.320
eyes and look at me and she'd actually say that
1167
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.079
it's my birthday. And I said what And we take
1168
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.760
off again and at one.
1169
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:56.079
You know.
1170
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.960
I met her several years later and she said, do
1171
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.159
you remember singing Happy Birthday to me? And I said, girl,
1172
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.960
I'm a professional. I wouldn't have done that. And then
1173
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.280
all of a sudden it hit me. I said, I
1174
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.639
sure did, didn't I I had forgotten that. I guess
1175
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.039
I blacked it out or the trauma, you know, the
1176
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:16.960
stress of it. But when we got her out, put
1177
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.920
her in a helicopter, the ambulance attendees told her brother,
1178
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.079
you need to go to Chattanooga and identify her body
1179
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.440
because she didn't make it. And we got a call
1180
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.400
later that night that she did make it. And matter
1181
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.039
of fact, the next day, I put my horse in
1182
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.199
the trader and I drove all the way to Chattanooga
1183
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:37.599
with a horse and the horse trader. I just wanted
1184
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.119
to look, and so I went into the Mercy room,
1185
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:41.719
and sure enough, there she was.
1186
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.679
They put eleven leaders of blood.
1187
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:47.880
In her that night, multiple surgeries and put her back together,
1188
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:53.239
and she's alive today, had two kids, She had about
1189
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.239
three hundred and sixty seven staples. I think had three
1190
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.400
or four different total hip surgery. But she's still mobile,
1191
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.880
still going. I think she's surfing right now in Hawaii
1192
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.440
if the last I heard from her.
1193
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.119
So she still got her leg Yeah, still they was
1194
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:09.840
back together.
1195
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.920
It's unbelievable, you know, it's unbelievable what they did.
1196
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.440
So the Good Lord was he was with us on
1197
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.480
that day.
1198
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:18.800
Yeah.
1199
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:20.440
And did you say you had a second one that
1200
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.800
comes to mind, Well, it was my last.
1201
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.039
Search that I did.
1202
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:25.679
You know, it is the one where we talked about
1203
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.280
the parking lot and it took us four hundred and
1204
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.119
seventeen days to solve. And I know I saw in
1205
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.239
your intro you had the old crime scene where you
1206
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.920
would put the push pins in and draw the string,
1207
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:40.079
you know, to all the different.
1208
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.320
That's what we did with this. This thing.
1209
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:47.800
Had it make a Netflix series. I mean, I go
1210
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.679
around a lot of the state and I do this search.
1211
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.360
I do it about three or four times a year
1212
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.079
to different search teams, and I give them scenario because
1213
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.840
I used every every bit of real search and rescue
1214
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.599
resource and idea and technique that I could imagine, whether
1215
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:10.320
it was helicopter's, drone, dogs, kayaks, underwater cameras, divers, everything
1216
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:11.039
you could think.
1217
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.320
Of, and I could not find this guy.
1218
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.880
And I just it just plagued me, and I just
1219
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.440
stayed on it. And I just stayed on it, uh,
1220
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.880
And it became my code case. And I told everybody,
1221
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.519
I will find this guy, and when I do, it's
1222
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.119
going to be a highlight, and I'm going to retire. Uh,
1223
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.679
you know, I'll retire on top. And took me four
1224
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.480
hundred and seventeen days. I found him and decided I
1225
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.599
better be a man of my word, and.
1226
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.599
So I did retire after that. But we were able to.
1227
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.519
Use the technology to be able to find him. You know,
1228
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.440
it could have been anything that you run into Jason.
1229
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.119
He could have been in a different part of the
1230
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:48.400
country because he.
1231
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.400
Had done before. He could have got a ride, he
1232
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:51.880
could have.
1233
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.519
Had a lot of things could have happened to him.
1234
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.719
But he had actually just had a bad accident, fell
1235
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:59.559
off a cliff and it was kind of like an
1236
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.400
avalanche covered up his body and he just couldn't find him.
1237
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:03.599
And we use.
1238
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:09.079
Some geo cashing technology to find his phone, and by
1239
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.920
using that and had to dig out his body and
1240
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.559
finally found his sculptal remains.
1241
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:16.519
Any animal activity.
1242
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.039
Oh yeah, yeah. There weren't many of his bones left,
1243
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.239
and you know, most of them had been scattered we're
1244
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.960
able to find his skull in about fourteen bones, but
1245
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:27.480
most of them were scattered. Yeah.
1246
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.320
But one of the most interesting things one of my
1247
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.920
buddies that just helped me forensically from computer side of it,
1248
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.880
he said, I promise you, when we find this guy,
1249
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.639
whether he's dead or alive, he will have his college
1250
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:49.159
ring on every picture we could see on Facebook, he
1251
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.280
would hold his hand up and have his college ring
1252
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.199
on his middle finger. And on that day that we
1253
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.159
went to look for him, we took this buddy of mine,
1254
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.199
Clint Derberry.
1255
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.599
He had the audia.
1256
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.480
I did take a metal detector and we've with the
1257
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.719
metal detector, first we found his cell phone. Then we
1258
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:11.079
dug deeper and we found the body or the skeltule remains,
1259
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.800
and then we found his class ring which had his
1260
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:14.280
name in.
1261
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.480
It, which was a really identify the individual.
1262
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:19.880
That had to have been gratifying for you.
1263
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.880
It was I mean I lost just like you, Jason.
1264
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:24.679
You know, I lost a lot of sleep. I'd wake
1265
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.719
up in the mind and go how to miss him?
1266
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:29.800
Where is this guy? Get on Google Earth, try to
1267
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.320
research and go what do we not do? Where did
1268
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.320
we look? And I mean I'd get my wife would
1269
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.639
tell me to leave in the middle of the night.
1270
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.400
She's like, if you're gonna sit there on a computer
1271
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:40.280
and wake me up, get out of my house.
1272
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.320
You know, go to the park, go out there and
1273
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.920
look for him. Your wife done it too. You wouldn't
1274
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.280
be laughing if you know. You know how it is?
1275
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.679
I do, I do. All right, let's talk about these books.
1276
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.199
So you've got two books. I mean to throw those
1277
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.679
pictures of those books up there. Now there's one lost
1278
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.760
in Hound and then the other one is is that one?
1279
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.480
So God made rangers? And tell us how that all started?
1280
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:06.760
Where you sat down?
1281
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.039
Well, you know, I guess like anybody, you know, we've
1282
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:13.159
all got dozens of stories.
1283
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.960
And I thought, well, I'll write a book someday. But yeah,
1284
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.519
who has time to do that.
1285
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:21.480
Well, I don't know if it was just age or
1286
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.800
calcium or whatever it is, but I had some bone
1287
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.679
spurs and the doctor said, I'm gonna take care of
1288
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.079
achilles tending off and knocked that bone spur off with
1289
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.079
a chisel on the hammer, and he said, you're gonna
1290
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:32.719
be laid up for about three and a a half
1291
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.920
to four months in the bed. You better find something
1292
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.320
to do and I thought, I said, you don't know me, doc,
1293
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.280
I will not be in that bed for that long.
1294
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.199
And I was wrong. So I took all my canine
1295
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.280
files and just my wife.
1296
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.360
Would feed me in the morning breakfast, and when she'd
1297
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.000
leave for work, I just get on the computer and
1298
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.880
I just told stories of all my canine fines and
1299
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.480
just tried to tell it like you were there with
1300
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.800
me running through the woods. And so I just put
1301
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.920
that down. And then after I retired, I took a
1302
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.239
year off and took a lot of our Circumagine stores.
1303
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.400
And you know, I really wanted to glorify in the
1304
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.920
first one, glorify what the dog could do. But the
1305
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.519
other one, I wanted to glorify and appreciate state park
1306
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:16.320
rangers of what they do, and not just Tennessee, but
1307
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:20.639
National park rangers, rangers all across the country, of just
1308
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.360
you know, a lot of people don't realize how many
1309
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.840
fatalities are in a park and what they.
1310
01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:28.960
Have to do to be able to do that. So
1311
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.760
so both of my books, I didn't I'm not a writer.
1312
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.920
I found out that you can put anything on paper
1313
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.280
and send a company money and they'll print it.
1314
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:43.320
So I did it really I've got nine grandkids.
1315
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:44.679
And I wanted to think I was pretty cool at
1316
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.599
one time, you know, so when they grow up, maybe
1317
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:47.840
one day they'll read it and.
1318
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.119
Go, wow, he was kind of cool. Yeah, But I
1319
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:53.199
don't really.
1320
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.239
The interesting part of my books, I don't really make
1321
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.199
any money off of them. What I do it was
1322
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.440
when I sell one, they are on Amazon. But when
1323
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:08.000
I sell them, what any proceeds I get, they go
1324
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.519
to a very good friend of mine, Sergeant Lee Russell.
1325
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.400
Lee was the upcoming star with the Tennessee Howard Patrol
1326
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.960
in their aviation union. He was a pilot for Tennessee
1327
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.320
Howard Patrol. August twenty second of two thousand and twenty three,
1328
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.320
Lee was in a helicopter crash. He and Matt Blansett
1329
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:33.360
in Marion County and they were in a fatal helicopter
1330
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.840
crash that killed them, and they both had young kids.
1331
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.239
Lee had two kids, and so all proceeds to any
1332
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.280
of my books go to his kids college fund.
1333
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.519
So just one of those, Lee would do the same
1334
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.159
thing for me. And it was just what little I
1335
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:49.440
can do.
1336
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.119
You know, I don't sell that many books, and so
1337
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.519
what little I do is just enough to buy another
1338
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.360
book and then give his kids a little bit of
1339
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.719
money for a college fund, so if I can help them.
1340
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.360
So, ladies and gentlemen, I can't think of a better
1341
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.719
way to uh, a better book to get either one
1342
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:09.480
of those. And it's going to an epic cause. And
1343
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.719
so you should look at those and that, and that
1344
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.679
just proves to me that you were a class act above.
1345
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.119
You told me that earlier when we talked on the phone,
1346
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.000
and I was like, yeah, I've been this guy. You're
1347
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.239
you're one of those people. Man, You're something special. If
1348
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.400
they had a superhero that was a park Ranger with
1349
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.159
a cape, uh, you're looking at him right here.
1350
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:32.719
I think I'm just like every other first responder is.
1351
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:36.280
I just pour everything into it that I get and
1352
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.920
I didn't waste any time. And it might have been
1353
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.719
on adrenaline junction. I don't know, but you know, I
1354
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.920
just enjoyed serving the public.
1355
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:47.480
And still able to do it.
1356
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.480
I love it Superhero always.
1357
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:53.920
I love it because no, I think he is, and
1358
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.519
I love it because, uh, I have no doubt that
1359
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.559
it was probably hard for you to walk away. I
1360
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:02.480
bet you still want to. Well, you're still kind of
1361
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.320
your hands are still in stuff you're just not across
1362
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:07.679
the state. You're a more confined area.
1363
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.920
I get to sleep in my bed every night, which
1364
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.440
is something I didn't do for about twenty seven years.
1365
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.039
But I'm still in the state parks a lot.
1366
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.599
I still teach search and rescue twice a year through
1367
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.440
the Police Academy, and we do it in a state
1368
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:24.119
park at fall Group Falls, so and I still encourage
1369
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.239
a lot of rangers to come through there because I
1370
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.400
want to keep on that search and rescue training. The
1371
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.039
state put a lot of training into me, and I'm
1372
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.599
still able to give back. So the mentors that I
1373
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:41.159
had years ago, now I become them and I'm an instructor,
1374
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.440
and so I try to teach them everything that was
1375
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:44.920
taught me.
1376
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.440
So my last way to give back.
1377
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.840
If somebody wants to reach out to you because they're like,
1378
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.719
oh man, this is really interesting, how do they get
1379
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.159
in touch with you down the line?
1380
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.840
Probably the best way my personal email would be T
1381
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:06.880
dot Shane dot Petty at gmail dot com.
1382
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.639
All Right, A man, that's probably she's she's probably writing
1383
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.000
that down right now. But yeah, that's great. Well, uh,
1384
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:13.599
get a.
1385
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.800
Hold of Danny, you know. Yeah, he can get a
1386
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.239
hold of.
1387
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:17.960
Me, Well, get a hold of me and then I
1388
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.840
will put you in touch. There you go. Is that right?
1389
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.639
T dot Shane dot petty do at gmail dot com.
1390
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:24.400
Yeah, that's it so perfect.
1391
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.239
So if you're looking for somebody to speak, I'm sure
1392
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.639
that he would be. Uh, he'd be a good fit.
1393
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:32.280
And I'm sure you have case studies and everything else.
1394
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.599
You you know, you've got a catalog of stuff that
1395
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.039
you can talk about. I have no doubt. And uh,
1396
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:40.159
he's probably going, well, I don't know about a catalog,
1397
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.239
but but he's got a lot he could probably talk
1398
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:43.599
about for sure. Uh.
1399
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.239
Those I've got several.
1400
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.119
That's when we teach, when we teach our classes, will
1401
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.400
that's what we do is we take case studies and say, okay,
1402
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.880
here's what we did, how can you do better? You know,
1403
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.039
what's the technology? And and I let him, you know,
1404
01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.800
I'll let him beat me up. You know, hey, you
1405
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.079
and see if you do better. And I learned from them,
1406
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.800
so yeah, you know, I'm from the students, so you know,
1407
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.920
runs were all learning from our mistakes, you know, and
1408
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:10.800
try to get better.
1409
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.639
That's that's better for the for the visitor.
1410
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.159
Anything that I didn't ask you that you'd like to
1411
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.239
put out there in reference to your job and just
1412
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.439
basically what are your plans for the future?
1413
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:28.359
Man boy, put the pressure on me. So I love
1414
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:29.960
the fish. That's my thing.
1415
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:34.159
Matter of fact, like all of us, every first responder,
1416
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.000
you know, there comes a time when you hang it up.
1417
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.479
You have to turn your keys in, turn your vehicle, in,
1418
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.760
turn the radio in the whole nine yard. When I
1419
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.279
did that, Jason, my office was on the Duck River
1420
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.479
here in Middle Tennessee. It's the touted as the most
1421
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.960
biodiverse river in the world. And I live on the
1422
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:56.159
Duck River and I have grown up on the Duck River.
1423
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.600
So when I turned my truck in, I had a
1424
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:01.680
canoe in the back of it.
1425
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:03.279
I drugged the canoe down the hill.
1426
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.239
Within four and a half minutes of retirement, I was
1427
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.159
fishing on the river. So I fished, and I lived
1428
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:10.279
below there, about a.
1429
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:10.800
Mile from there.
1430
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.319
So I fished home, and my wife and two of
1431
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.439
my grandkids were waiting on me there at the boat round.
1432
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.600
So you know when I finally do retire.
1433
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.560
I stayed retired a year, fished almost every day, but
1434
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.239
then went back to work in my home county here
1435
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.279
with emergency management here in Murray County, and they still
1436
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.079
let me work dogs, and I still can get back
1437
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.600
to the county and teach some of the young.
1438
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.159
Folks and still teaching the state.
1439
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.319
So I'll still be involved with that as much as
1440
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.800
I can. It's just, you know, the way we're all molded.
1441
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.680
But the biggest thing I want to think is, like
1442
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.880
you guys and every other first responder, that people don't realize.
1443
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.239
You know, we have to thank our families because we
1444
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.720
were all a phone call away, and it happens every minute.
1445
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.279
You know, this armed robbery I worked last week. It
1446
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.439
was on Friday night, and so you get caught all out.
1447
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.399
I was actually on vacation, you know, and so I
1448
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.640
had to look at my wife and she knew, you know,
1449
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.399
she loves I know, I loved run behind the dog,
1450
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.399
and I said, look, there's a community in need. I
1451
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.640
have an ability and a resource, and I'm gonna go
1452
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:15.560
try to help them out.
1453
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.079
What happened, Shane. If you're fishing with your wife and
1454
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.720
her fishing pole gets pulled into the.
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Water, well, that happened to us on vacation. There's a
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video out there.
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I was going to take a lure and try to
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get it and my wife there was a fish on
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the end of the line, so she just jumped out
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of the lake and you know, and dove down and
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01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.000
came up with a fishing pole.
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So if you don't believe it, look on my Facebook page. Yes, yeah,
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she did it. Yeah, thanks Danny.
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That's like a mountain woman, is what that? People just
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don't do that.
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You know, I married a real country girl. She's not
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afraid of anything.
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Nice. Nice, I did any anything else, any other questions
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that you try.
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To throw at it.
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It's an honor to be in both of you guys
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in presence, but just be here to thank Shane for
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01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:08.279
coming on and being a part of this. It meant
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01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:10.840
a lot to me. Yeah, I know what did to Jason.
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01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:13.039
Oh my go has been my honor.
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I mean to be in the room with a couple
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of giants. Man, Thank you Jason for having his own
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01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:21.520
and come back to Tennessee. You know, we've got plenty
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01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:24.239
of more stories and we can hit a state part
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01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:25.039
and do some vision.
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01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:27.880
That sounds like a plan and I'm going to hold
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01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.640
you to that and we'll we'll definitely be back in
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01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:33.079
your great state. I want to thank everybody for tuning in.
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01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:36.359
This is episode number seventy five. No better person to
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01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:41.439
be the guest tonight than Shane and Man seventy five episodes.
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01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.439
That's a big deal. I encourage you, if you're still
1487
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.680
here at this point, like and subscribe, to subscribe to
1488
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:50.399
this channel. It takes you less than thirty seconds. And
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01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.520
I appreciate it. And it's free. And what it does
1490
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.560
is it helps the algorithm, and it helps these guys
1491
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.119
get recognized by a lot more people and to get
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01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.199
the word out. And that's what I love about this.
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01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.800
I want to thank everybody for being here. Hopefully I'm
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going to see some of you at the US Marshall
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01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.560
Museum and uh and and and tell a friend or
1496
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.640
a family member if you really enjoy the content of
1497
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.880
this to go ahead and check it out. And uh
1498
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.640
and I appreciate everybody that does. And please leave a
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01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.560
comment because I try to respond to all of those
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as well. Check out my TikTok page. That thing is exploding,
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01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.880
Danny's shaking his head up and Dan, that's right, because
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01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:26.600
it's exploded.
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01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:26.960
I don't know.
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01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.319
I put some videos on there of checking out a
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01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.640
couple of real life crime locations. And uh, it's kind
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01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:35.840
of fun and I enjoy I enjoy just kind of
1507
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:37.880
doing some fun stuff like that. I'm not acting stupid,
1508
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:39.680
I'm just kind of It's kind of my thing.
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Shane.
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01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:43.039
My thing is murder. I just your thing is looking
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01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.039
for fish in people out in the wilderness. Mine is. Uh.
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01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.119
I just am fascinated with murder. I guess we all
1513
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:50.600
have our own little thing and I wanted to do
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01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:52.800
that since I was a little kid, so I can
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01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.840
relate to you one hundred percent. Listen, that's right, Thank
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01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.279
you all for being here. Thanks again, Shane, You're you're
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01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.119
really I consider you a friend from here on. Man,
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01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.399
You're somebody special. And Danny, I appreciate you coming back
1519
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:08.600
and sitting in with us. Thank you for getting with
1520
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:14.239
Shane and making this happen. And until next time, ladies
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and gentlemen. I don't think we're going to have an
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episode the week after that, because that's I don't want
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to take away from a guest throwing an episode up
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01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:25.880
on the Thanksgiving weekend. Just enjoy your weekend with your family.
1525
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.199
And I will tell you this, we are going to
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have Mike Elam back on. And those episodes have just
1527
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.000
went through the roof. I mean, it's it's crazy. We'll
1528
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:39.960
talk to him about what has been discovered about Sheriff Puster,
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01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:41.920
the stuff that he discovered from the files that were
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01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.840
released from from from that that case, the Tennessee's Bureau
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01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:50.680
of Investigation. Epic job doing their job, which is really
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01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.359
impressive and so well. We'll talk more about that later
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01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.159
on down the line. Until next time, though, Amanda, take
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us out